Revving Up with Jonathon Shaw, CEO Hemmings': A Journey through Car Shows, Restoration Services plus a review of the Wagoneer Series III
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Revving Up with Jonathon Shaw, CEO Hemmings': A Journey through Car Shows, Restoration Services plus a review of the Wagoneer Series III
In Wheel Time Podcast: Your Go-To Automotive Talk Show · Dec 21, 2023
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Hemmings Motor News it's the Bible for auto enthusiasts.
Today we're gonna talk to the CEO.
Hopefully.
Jonathan Shaw, tennessee Dial's in, got to drive the $114,000 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.
Well, you guys are in these $100,000 cars this week.
Huh, I don't know what the deal is.
Cars with the Raptor.
Are you with the Jeep?
We?
guessed and I guessed seven grand.
I think you guessed what?
12 grand on that.
So anyway, give you my thoughts on it.
Conrad, has the Cruise Inn calendar yeah, Cruise Inn still happening despite the fact that we're heading up to Christmas.
We'll talk to author and automotive guru, our West Coast connection, Jack Nehrad, plus this week in Auto History, along with the stories making news headlines this week Just ahead on the In Wheel Time car talk show.
Thanks for joining us, Howdy, along with Mike out of this World, Mars King, Conrad DeLong.
We always need more, Jeff Seekin.
I'm, Don Armstrong, Glad that you could join us this morning.
We're hoping that Mr Shaw is going to be joining us.
He's going to be just about a minute here.
We're kind of working on it.
I see him waving.
Jonathan can you hear us, I'm assuming that means he can hear us.
Hey guys, I got you loud and clear Hot diggity dog.
Well, it's great to have you on the air with us.
He is the CEO president, I should say, of Hemings.
In Hemings, it's not just Hemings Motor News anymore.
You got other publications as well, and I think I subscribe to every single one of them.
Well, thank you very much, I appreciate that.
It's great to be with you in in-wheel time and enjoying a nice little Saturday.
It would be better than talking cars too, absolutely.
I understand that you guys have made a big announcement this week Joining forces again with Carlisle.
It's kind of like a nationwide thing.
Yes, so we're sponsoring the Carlisle, the major events at Carlisle this year, both the spring and the fall, so we're really excited about that.
And then we're going to continue to do our club challenge when they have kind of the four nationals, the Corvette Nationals and everything up there in Carlisle Pennsylvania.
So we're excited about deepening our partnership with Carlisle.
They've done an amazing job of taking the event and really expanding it and getting different age groups interested in.
So you're getting the younger Camaro owners, the younger Mustang owners alongside your kind of traditional vintage owner, traditional vintage muscle collar.
You know a Fischianadas as well.
It's a really great mix of people and really makes for a wonderful show up there.
Well, and it's not just a judged show, it's more than that, I mean.
It is a huge event up there.
You're right.
Yeah, swat meets.
You know car corrals.
They do a great job with their live auction when it's partnered there, so there's really something for everybody and it's just a neat area to be in a lot of history there too.
You know it's funny because the car shows up there obviously steeped in tradition, especially Carlyle.
We've all heard of Carlyle and not only is it steeped in the tradition but it's a different take of car shows than we have, say, here in Texas.
I mean there are smaller car shows, that kind of mirror parts of Carlyle, but this is, it's over and above, I think, what most people in Texas anyway really think of when it comes to car shows.
Yeah, and you know everything is kind of multi-day, especially if you go to, you know, the fall or spring Carlyle.
You know that's kind of super broad as far as you know any interest you know available can come to that with the Swabmeat and everything.
And then you know they do the make model specific events where they have.
You know it's just trucks or you know it's just the Corvette Nationals, so you really get a pretty wide range.
I think they're doing seven events this year so we'll be there for every single one of them.
And you know you mentioned you guys are in Texas.
You know I'm gonna have to come back on and when we announce our Muscle Palooza event there in Texas where we do drag racing and a vintage and modern muscle car show with awards and everything too.
So I'll definitely be dropping that when we finish that deal for this year.
Well, I will tell you that we're always game for stuff like that.
Yeah buddy, and you know we have been known to go to different cities for remote broadcasts.
We've got the Lone Star Street Rod Association event coming up in the spring.
That's gonna be in Grandbury Texas.
You ever been to Grandbury Texas?
I have not been to Grandbury, texas, but I do have some Texas connections.
My wife is from Dallas, my father-in-law lives in San Antonio and my favorite place to go hunt in the entire world is in Southwest Texas, outside of Marfa and Presidio County.
Well, your wife from Dallas, Texas will know definitely know about Grandbury, texas.
It's about an hour south of Fort Worth and it is a spectacular location right on the lake there and they have this wonderful guys we could call it a cruise in, although some guys leave their cars there overnight but it is a judged show and it's all the hot rod stuff and guys that are well versed in hot rodding show up there well over 100 cars and it's a great setting at the park there.
That's something that you guys should check out, because we'll be there and we'd love to have you come along with us.
That sounds awesome.
I'm writing it down right now to check that out.
The other places we're doing muscle palooza.
So you know, every year we've done a muscle palooza for the last 25 years but it's always been in upstate New York and people have asked us for a really long time please bring it west, bring it south, bring it to other areas.
So we're gonna be at the famous historical Maple Grove Dragway.
So it'll be in Maple Grove, outside of Philadelphia, there April 13th.
We'll be at Dragway 42 for muscle palooza Midwest there and Salem Ohio May 11th.
We've got one in Florida and we've got one in Texas as well.
So once we get those contracts done with the tracks, we'll be announcing dates for those.
So we're doing four muscle paloozas this year and it's gonna range from everything from vintage muscle, modern muscle muscle trucks.
You know, kids under 12, get in free.
There's payouts for the drag racing, it's bracket racing and then awards in the car show and car show winners are gonna be featured in our magazine.
So it's really great opportunity.
Tell me more about the car show aspect of it.
You know I like to take my 20, gosh.
I have to admit this.
My 20, 2001 is what it is, so you do the math.
You can't take your shoes off right now to do the math?
Yeah?
exactly, and I take it to cruise ins and every once in a while, you know, take it out and do fun things with it, like the Hot Rod Tour of Texas.
Do you have room for the car show, is it?
Is it A judge showed we have to leave the car there overnight as a cruise in?
Tell me about that.
So you can leave your car overnight if you want, but you do not have to at all.
All of our muscle pluses are a one day event.
What's unique about the Texas one is we might expand that to a two day event.
You know, kind of kick it off on Friday afternoon, allow some test and tune racing, you know, in the evening.
But from the car show side, you know, love the question because we see huge growth right now, especially in the collector marketplace.
With, you know, early 2000s, 80s and 90s cars have gotten really hot.
You know the Fox bodies, the surgeon, I rock Zs and everything.
But you're starting to see that creep up beyond the 90s and into the early 2000s.
So it's a judge car show.
But you can also sign up just to bring your car into the car show if you don't want to, if you want to have it in the show but not judged as well.
So fun, so you can do a cruise in with it as well.
Fiction microphone.
I can't hear you what?
So you can kind of cruise in as well.
That's right, yeah, exactly right, and you know I will tell you that that's really attractive to me because I I don't.
I've done all the car show trophies and all that stuff.
I certainly don't mind going to, like a Sunday morning, cruise in around here and and open the hood, roll down the windows and let everybody see what I've got.
I got a clean car, that's got.
You know.
So a few aftermarket touches to it, nothing special, but virtually no miles on it for as old as well, that's true, it does have a few miles on it 33,000 miles on it but I will tell you that that's attractive to me, so I can drive in there, show the car and if you want to see a nice, clean car from 2001, here it is, and then I can drive it home.
And those kinds of things are attractive to me.
And that's good that you've got a place, because usually in a big, big event like that it is a judge show.
You got to drive in there, set it up on Friday, then have the show on Saturday, wait for the trophies on Saturday Clean the car four times during the show yeah, constantly cleaning the car.
So those kinds of things are really attractive to me.
And Haggerty is going to drop big name stuff.
What's that?
Hagerty's going to draw big names, hemmings.
Hemmings, excuse me, hemmings is going to draw big names.
Oops, conrad.
That's the other age.
They're just an insurance group.
There you go.
That's it?
Yeah, exactly.
So let's talk for a minute, if you don't mind.
Let's talk about the different publications that you guys have.
Yeah, absolutely so.
We still have Hemmings Motor News.
That's the original right.
That's kind of why we're celebrating our 70th anniversary in 2024.
Ernest Hemmings, back in 1954, found a need where he and his Model A and Model T buddies didn't have anywhere where they could trade parts or find cars.
So he created a four-page pamphlet back in 54 and mailed it to 100 of his Model A and Model T buddies out in Illinois.
And here we are, 70 years later.
We still got the Big Book, number one seller on automotive title on newsstands, which we're thrilled about.
We produce Hemmings muscle machines and Hemmings classic car magazines as well.
But I got to tell you, and we've been successful in the print business and the Big Book is still, you know, 350, 400 pages all year long, every single month.
But if you're only reading it in print you're missing out a little bit because we have 30,000 cars for sale on Hemmingscom at any given time, so it's just become massive.
This year we'll do over 38 million people will visit the website.
Well, you don't know this, but we have this little thing here that I started not too long ago called Hemmings sold car roundup, the thing that you guys send out to all of us.
So we take that and we talk amongst ourselves and I let the boys here kind of guess what the car is it's sold for, and so it's a little game that we play every week Hemmings sold car roundup and it's fun.
I obviously can't do all of them, but I just pick and choose and try to run it across the board as far as year making, model, and we just got finished with it right before you came on, but it's a lot of fun for us just guessing how much these cars sold for.
The one that I think stumped the band here this morning was the Aston Martin Vantage.
That was 20 years old, sold for $66,000.
Yeah, we were kind of taken back by that.
But at any rate it's a fun thing to do.
And I will say this that one thing it's not just a used car magazine that you have Hemmings Motor News, because you can find guys in there that do old steering wheels.
Send me your steering wheel, I'll redo it like new, and those things are very attractive to me man, I could sit and read that for all day long.
Tube radios for old cars.
Send it to me, we'll go to fix it.
It's going to look like new.
It's going to sound brand new when you get it back.
Yeah, there's an amazing number of craftsmen that still offer their services through Hemmings.
Part of the reason we're big on the kids under 12 getting free to our shows this year at Muscle Palooza is really trying to get more people into the car hobby and hopefully that continues to feed the things that we do at the RPM Foundation and helping people get into the trades so that we can continue having people offer the services.
People need to be doing apprenticeships with these guys and gals, because there's too few of them right now offering some of these repairs and services, but you can find them in Hemmings, that's for sure.
Jonathan, do you have kids?
I do.
I have three kids my two boys.
I've got a nine-year-old boy and a seven-year-old boy, and I have a two-and-a-half-year-old little girl.
So we just I'm in my sweatshirt right now, so we just got out of morning basketball games here, so I ran into my office here at home to get on the air with you guys.
Yeah, well, I say that because I raised a couple of daughters and I drug them to every car show and drag race and roundy round race, and I think that some of it rubbed off.
I think that they both have a new appreciation for cars.
They take care of their cars, they do the oil changes and stuff like that that they're supposed to do, not that they get out and work on them, twist wrenches.
My youngest is an astrophysicist, so she's in the space industry, but you get it.
I mean, you know they kind of pass it along, pass on your passion, so to speak, and this is such a great deal.
So I'm thinking, huh, when is Carlisle in the spring?
It seems to be about April 17th through the 21st, correct?
I?
believe that is right.
Yeah, and then the October one is October 2nd, through the 6th Boy.
That just reeks of a vacation.
Bring the Corvette, immerse yourself in all the fun and activities up there at Carlisle, and that's a real haul.
From Houston, texas, I will say that so you'd have to take some time off from work, but it would be one of those things that I think it's attractive to me, you know.
I think you've got to experience it if you haven't been up there yet, that's for sure.
You know it's one of those.
You know it's been around.
You know they're celebrating their 50th year this year.
You know and shows like this don't last 50 years that they're not worth going to.
So it's an experience, that's for sure.
Tell me about Sun and Fun, the expo campus that you got in Lakeland Florida.
That one I'm not as familiar with.
I don't believe that's our event.
Well, it's on your press release.
That might have been, that might maybe that's Carlisle.
So I think that's Carlisle.
Okay, not a Hemmings event I got you.
Okay, Well, very good.
Well, I mean, you know the press release kind of entails everything.
It's kind of hard to separate, you know, Hemmings from Carlisle because the press release kind of marries you two guys together.
Yeah, so what, what, what are the cars and coffee that you guys are going to on a regular basis out there in Houston?
Well, there's so many.
Conrad can speak to that.
He does.
He puts together the list.
I mean there have got to be at least two dozen events on every weekend around here.
I mean you know Houston's a big city and great car city yeah, it truly is and a lot of enthusiasts here.
The one that we're most intimately involved in is a thing called tailpipes and tacos, and we're trying to get back on track.
We've had a bunch of bad weather days back to back.
It's a monthly event that Stan holds, a good friend of the shows he puts on and it's a lot of fun.
It's a cruise in at a Tex Mex restaurant on a Saturday morning and he gives away free tacos and everybody shows up and ends out nice trophies and that sort of thing.
So it's an easy come and go three hour kind of deal.
That sounds fun.
Next time I'm in Houston I'm going to look at you.
Yeah, you'll go together.
Please call us and let us know I will.
I was going to say we'll pick you up at the airport, but because of the construction, no, we'll bring you out.
Yeah, exactly, well, listen, it's great to talk to you and thanks so much for joining us today and best of luck on the upcoming marriage you guys have with Carlisle.
Thank you very much.
It's great to be with you all in wheel time.
I appreciate it, and go check out himmingscom or come to a muscle polozo when we get the full event schedule noted out yeah we'll be when that is.
Yeah, yeah, let us know and we'll get on.
We'll get on the air with you.
Sounds good, jonathan.
Thanks again, thank you.
Thank you, bye, bye, it's so cool, it is.
And Conrad.
Yes, sir.
Conrad has it haggardy, I don't know.
I don't know where did that come from?
It was?
It was just H H Heming haggardy.
That's what it is at H Hale.
Holy smokes Time.
Now for the cruising calendar.
Let's do that, shall we.
So this afternoon OTT At Bass Pro Shops in Pearland starts at 12 noon, goes on to four o'clock at 3pm.
This afternoon it to 6pm at 20 23.
Exotic and luxury car show in Montrose on Westheimer Don it's a place for you and your pumps, All right.
The car show and toy drive in Oranze's Pass you want to get a little further south?
And then the street performance and off road toy drive on Castleford Street in Houston.
The entry is a toy donation because lots of people are doing their Christmas toy drives.
Car show and toy event at Friendly Ford in Crosby, Texas.
No it will.
The entry is a toy.
The car culture invitational toy drive at 27 11 Plaza Drive in Sugarland.
So that's just kind of around the corner from here.
Is, and that's tomorrow morning 9am to 11am.
Also tomorrow, starting at noon, is the cruise old Tom ball on Main Street.
And Tom ball, just be real careful, because the Tom ball please turn that into a revenue generating event.
No sense of humor, a none whatsoever.
And then also tomorrow at 6pm is the car meetup at DNM True Value on West Montgomery Street in Willis, texas, and then also tomorrow night at Fuego's meet off a Durham in Houston.
That's pretty much, most of it.
All right, thank you.
Time now for this hour's car review.
Had a chance to drive the 2023 Jeep Grand Wagon year.
Available trim levels are series one, series two and series three.
I drove the series three obsidian four by four.
It's a standard body on frame.
Three row SUV.
Boy Is it nice.
Seven passengers.
Exterior changes from last model year.
Well, it was all new in 2021.
They brought back the Wagoneer name and it's, by the way, it's called Wagoneer by Jeep, not the Jeep Wagoneer.
So let you know that exterior features conservative, classy, upright, full size SUV with seven slot grill, of course, slab sides, extra large windows with chrome surrounds.
It's kind of a conservative throwback design.
It's interesting Big, sophisticated wheel and tire combo.
A chrome bling on the extra large hatch with attractive lighting front and back.
What I liked about it?
The conservative nature of the entire look of it.
It is conservative and good looking.
It is what could use improvement, not sure if anything.
Interior highlights digital instrument cluster with extra large infotainment screen.
Classy, hideaway, passive phone charger behind a retractable screen that basically adjusts all of the massaging and thing seats that it does.
Screens on the backs of both front seats, second row center console as well, the comfortable quilted seating with massage heat and enough positions to send you to the moon and back.
Cargo trunk room more for more room behind the third row.
Get the L model if that's what you need.
If you're really going to use the third row, then you'd want to have the L model.
It's a separate model.
What I liked about it everything what could use improvement.
The question is really, at what point is the too much that?
That?
Really with this vehicle, that becomes the real question.
Now the engine.
This has the 3.0
liter twin turbo, inline six cylinder.
Okay, the new hurricane.
That turns out 510 horsepower with the horsepower upgrade for the series two and series three.
Okay, eight speed automatic transmission tows 9800 pounds.
Halls 1360 miles per gallon, which I don't quite understand this.
But it only gets 14 city 20 on the highway for combined to 17.
I got 15.9
over 324.5
miles.
What I liked about it?
It has the smoothest power band that you have ever felt in an engine.
It feels like a an old Cadillac.
V8 smooth so gobs of torque and it sounds good too.
It's.
It's quite amazing.
I really did like it.
Even if you don't buy one, go find one that's got this engine in it and go.
Yeah, I understand what he's talking about.
Now, what could use improvement?
Well, like I said, mileage is a bit disappointing because I thought that them going from the Hemi V8, which, by the way, I think you can get in this thing to this inline six cylinder would result in better gas mileage.
But apparently, that's a big heavy vehicle.
Oh, my gosh so you know that engine to me I think you can overdo.
A small engine can try and carry too much weight, so it's got to work harder, harder.
The turbos got to stay cool so you use more gas helping to keep them cool.
You know it's what do I know Right and handling what I liked about it A dreamy ride, I don't know how else to put it.
It's a dreamy ride, very controlled.
This has got the air suspension on it, boys, it's not a floaty ride.
Not a floaty ride at all, not at all.
It's a suspension makes a ton of difference.
It's very similar In handling as that land Rover defender that I've got out there.
What could use improvement?
Zero, don't mess with it, it's perfect.
It needs the imitation woody sides.
Okay, for the original grand wagon here and I'll bet you John Gray down at Gulf Coast Auto Shield could put that on, I do that good idea base trim price 107,995 dollars.
Prices tested 114,180 dollars.
Base model price to get into it is 87,995.
So this is not a cheap vehicle.
But that's not what this vehicle is about.
It's not about being cheap.
There's a there's a show to owning one of these.
Yeah, yeah, most definitely.
As far as competitors, well, let's just start with the Cadillac Escalade for 79295.
That's base entry-level price.
All these are a Lincoln Navigator 77 635 and the Mercedes Benz GLS and I had to kind of stretch it because that Mercedes Benz isn't near as big bulky or it isn't really like it.
But as far as price is concerned it is 81,000.
What's the price on that that you have in the driveway right now?
88,000.
It's still in the same range.
Yeah, it is, but that is much smaller than the grand wagon here.
All right, that is my review of the 2023 Jeep grand wagon here.
Series three, obsidian, four by four.
And, by the way, what I didn't mention is as far as the four by four is concerned.
You know Jeep has like three different levels of Off-road capability, and so you have to pick and choose if, if you're gonna get one, which, how?
How much off-road do you want to do?
Are you gonna go off-road at all, or is it just gonna be a soccer mom's car?
Well, that would be my guess.
I wouldn't take it off roads too pretty.
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About this episode
Jonathon Shaw, CEO of Hemmings, shares insights on car shows, restoration services, and the upcoming Muscle Palooza events. The conversation highlights Hemmings' partnership with Carlisle for major automotive events, emphasizing the blend of vintage and modern car enthusiasts. Shaw also reviews the 2023 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, discussing its features, performance, and design. The episode is packed with engaging stories about the car culture and the importance of fostering new generations of automotive enthusiasts.
Original notes
Get ready to rev up your engines as we take you on a thrilling ride with Jonathan Shaw, CEO of Hemmings Motor News. We ignite a fascinating conversation about their exhilarating partnership with Carlisle and their upcoming high-octane events, such as the MusclePalooza being planned for Texas. But hold onto your steering wheels; we’ll also be throwing in some personal encounters with Hemmings and discovering their evolution from a humble four-page pamphlet to a revered print and digital platform for classic car aficionados worldwide.
We're shifting gears and cruising into a captivating realm of car shows, where 80s and 90s collector cars are stirring great excitement. But don't worry, we're also taking a pit stop to talk about Hemmings' unique restoration services, perfect for breathing new life into your beloved vintage vehicles.
Finally, buckle up as we accelerate into an array of car shows around Houston, Texas. Prepare for our review of the 2023 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, packed with in-depth analysis of its features, handling, and price comparison with its rivals. As we cross the finish line, we urge you to join us every Saturday morning for live car talks, or simply tune in to our podcast on your favorite streaming services.
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In Wheel Time Podcast: Your Go-To Automotive Talk Show
In Wheel Time Podcast | Automotive talk with Don Armstrong, Michael Marrs, and Jeff Dziekan
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