Roadster Shop Sales Team

Hi, I'm here with you.

Let me go ahead and tell you something, a little secret that you guys might not have

figured out.

If you're looking at three different names, Phil, Andrew, and then you got Irvin.

I'm going to roll my dice with Irvin that maybe he's my man because Phil Smuck, rock

star sales manager at Roadster Shop.

How long you been here?

Eight and a half years, going on.

And Irvin even longer.

11 years at the end of July.

It seems like just yesterday.

All illustrious careers prior to Irvin came from Harley Davidson.

Andrew came from the one and only painless performance wiring products.

And Phil's modeling career was just wrapping up.

You're a better person for it now, right?

Well, so I did retire the Uggs.

You didn't have a choice.

But yes.

You know, I feel like if I can retire the Uggs, you guys should be able to retire the

skinny jeans.

And that was cool, but it was just I was ready for a change.

And you guys basically said like, yeah, we're trying to dominate this industry.

And we got really cool things that we're trying to do.

And that was attractive.

You know, and I saw you could visibly see it when you were here.

And I was like, I want to be a part of that.

Harley Davidson was where you were working as a salesman prior to coming here.

Absolutely.

Phil found me.

I went into the Harley dealership walking around.

Now you get annoyed by like 400 salesman.

Yeah.

Irvin was the first one to get annoyed by.

Phil, did you buy a motorcycle?

I did not.

Oh, I bought a gift card, though.

Hey, bud.

I got a card.

Andrew, to you, you've been in the industry for quite some time.

You have a little different path to the Roadster Shop.

I started at Painless in 2014.

Really had a good buddy over there that was looking to bring marketing in-house and kind

of got my foot in the door on the tech line.

Within a year, he had me doing the marketing and then it just kind of grew from that.

What's your most favorite thing about working at the Roadster Shop?

And the most difficult thing.

Say, dealing with my ideas and you're fucking fired.

Welcome everybody back to another episode of Oil and Whiskey.

This episode is brought to you by HPTuners.

We got really good rave reviews after the Roadster Shop Fab guys episode.

And thought we'd do more of the departments.

So we're moving into the Roadster Shop sales team.

So we have what used to be bar none, the best looking employee we had here.

From that angle, you can't tell that it's cut.

It almost looks like it's tucked behind his head.

I know.

It's getting a little gray, too.

Our sales manager, Phil Smunt, Irvin Caballaris, and Andrew Harrison.

Caballaris?

Yeah, I always say Caballaris.

I got you.

That's good.

Caballaris.

Irvin Caballero.

Let's get into it.

Skateboarding legend.

Dive right in.

Do you think that that mispronunciation that I gave you is even a tenth of what most customers refer to you by?

It's usually Irvin.

Irvin.

Irwin.

What was that?

Irwin guy.

Irwin.

Irvin.

I like Irvin.

Yeah, Irvin.

Irvin sometimes.

Irvin Irvin.

Yeah?

Thank you guys for coming all this way.

Yeah, just upstairs.

We're just going to forget about Andrew.

I said Andrew.

I didn't pay attention.

I caught up on the mispronunciation.

I know.

Well, you guys got a lot.

You were like, oh, fuck up.

I get to go there and you didn't hear the next thing that came out.

You guys got a lot to live up to.

Because the fab team.

They put on a show.

And John York.

They laid it down.

Layed it down.

Okay.

All right.

We're missing.

We are missing.

We'll remote.

William.

We thought about putting this hat off and.

Holding.

Maybe like.

Just put it out every once in a while, but.

Just have.

We should have zoomed him in and just had him kind of.

Linger in the background.

Awkwardly.

You know, on the screen.

They haven't.

We're.

We could.

Yeah, we could.

Well, it's great to have.

You guys.

On here, you know, obviously, you guys are the most sort of.

Customer facing.

You guys interact most with the customers.

and a lot of the viewers, listeners.

So this is it.

This is going to absolutely blow up your careers.

OK, you don't know.

I'm sure you've got a little glimpse

of what happens at some of the shows.

But hang on now, fellas.

This is fucking life changing.

Let's go.

Spencer had a whole new Facebook post, Instagram post.

It's a new Spencer coming out of nowhere after this.

Yeah, well, the doors, this opens.

I mean, it's crazy.

Was that podcast with the fab team, just Spencer,

or the other two guys actually involved in it?

They were involved a little bit.

I was going to say, you know, George just said,

you know, watch out for the fame at these car shows.

And you're going to be so important to so many dudes.

And based on the base story of our lives,

based on the base career, based on the bait

that Spencer's fishing with, he's going to be in luck.

Yeah, catch a trophy fish.

Yeah, that's, oh.

See, that's fun, humor.

Yeah, I think so.

Because it gets the point across.

Yeah, I'm sure he liked it.

Yeah.

We have two bottles here.

Phil brought one that he didn't wrap.

And then Phil Smunt brought one that's wrapped.

I'm kind of intrigued by the one that's wrapped.

You should be.

He had it going up the stairs.

And I said, I'll put mine back.

He said, no, you're going to want to bring one anyway.

So I don't have the highest expectations.

Not that I like better than brown bagging.

Yeah, you know, I feel like maybe you guys have gotten

a little comfortable up here.

A little bougie.

Well, maybe we bring something.

Is that a Wii?

Yeah, it's close.

Crack it up.

I think we need to pay homage to our Chicago roots.

Oh, that's maybe.

Maybe something that's a little, I don't know,

the spirit of the Midwest, I think they call it,

represents Chicago well.

We don't we don't have to pull the bad everybody in here

has had it, right?

Yeah, but usually when you have it,

you're so inebriated that you don't really remember.

Oh, I remember.

I remember to a tea like it happened yesterday at Crossroads.

Crossroads is where it always surfaces.

It's like two in the morning before they close.

Hey, guys, you sure guess what a shot.

We can leave the bag on and you know, let's show everybody.

Andrew, you've had it.

Yeah, let's show everybody that you like it.

I don't like it, but I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever

had the beautiful body.

She's had some bad things.

Then I'm assuming this is more.

It's more.

We brought more.

Yeah.

A little disappointed.

I was at.

Liquor store yesterday and they have a barrel finished.

Mallort now.

I just saw that.

I was how do you.

The bourbon or the actual?

No, it's no.

It's no Lord that warm wood shit.

I don't know.

It can't make it any worse.

Like there's that argument.

Have you guys had the bourbon that that Jepsen's does?

No, it's actually really good.

Is it really?

It was a good move on their part because it's they've got a somehow

built an incredible brand that is just like there's a loyal

following for something that tastes like dirt.

It's bad.

It's yeah, it's great.

The brand's great.

Did you see when all this you know about the brand?

Yeah, the brand's real good.

Well, our brand.

Yeah, the brand.

She's fucking full of shit already.

When all the CEO stuff was going around after the McDonald's

guy took the smallest bite of the burger and he was trying to talk

up like how excited about McDonald's he was like the CEO of Jepsen's

took a tiny little no, he did like a multi-bottle

Lord video and it was pretty unhinged by the end of it.

It was like an hour long of shots.

Yeah, just him drinking.

So it's an interesting business.

Interesting business model.

Yeah, to build a business completely around something that's

terrible and notorious for being terrible.

What's the shittiest thing you've ever tasted?

Cool. Buckle up.

We got something for you.

Yeager's the worst.

Oh, close.

Let us blow your socks off.

We'll crack it open.

Crack it open.

Sample it.

It's been a while.

My God, really?

Sip it out of the bottle.

No, just pour it.

Well, we have to get a room whenever we don't want to contaminate the

any solo cups.

Yeah, let me grab.

I'll grab some for burn through a solo.

Come on.

Yeah, it's just

stainless steel.

Shot glasses.

So there's been anything you like to do.

The old style.

Yeah, we forgot.

Oh, the Chicago handshake.

Go get the.

Let me go get it.

Yeah, go run down and get it.

All right.

My Lord, huh?

I can't believe we're doing this.

We got to shake it up a bit.

I'm surprised no one actually

has 250 something episodes are close to it.

And this is the first time that we're all going to throw up on air.

Yeah, great.

It's going to be a good one.

That one, those came from American metal works.

Make spirits was from spirits from a classic car studio.

I got an open house coming up.

They do.

Yep.

That one's going to cost them.

That was a free plug right there.

What's the date?

That one's going to what's the date?

Finish it off so we can monitor.

It's on the it's June.

June something.

Yeah, this month.

Next week or week after they're in their new facility.

Let's let's look at they're doing it around the power tour, aren't they?

I yeah, maybe.

Probably sounds like a good idea.

Yeah, the power towards there.

I think the 10th or 11th.

OK, so look it up, Josh.

I'm looking it up right now.

Saturday, June 13th starts at noon.

One on one.

Our co drive right there in St.

Charles, Missouri.

Charles in St.

Charles. Yep.

Twenty year anniversary open house at their new facility.

That one's.

That's the last time we talk about classic car studio for a long time.

They got a big parking lot after that show.

That's that's going to get you.

That's going to get you.

Half dozen cars.

Unless cousin Mike, he shows up there, which I could see.

Seven.

They're doing the interior on his.

Oh, he's going to be holding court next to it.

Kid grief.

This is.

Yeah, people will come and go quickly.

Well, nice job.

Good to see you.

Yeah.

Some old style and the Lord, huh?

Well, I guess go ahead and get the old style ready for chasers.

Because that's that's how good the R.S.

Sales team is that they sold him drinking this.

It's filled with his good looks.

It didn't even take any just any discussion.

Just drink this.

Go ahead and drink it.

Do you think you're going to run it back at any point in time

that get the hairs done?

You're not going. I don't think so.

Really? I thought about it.

Past like a month or two.

Yeah, it's a lot of work.

It's long and you have like a year.

Your brother's growing up.

Yeah, he's man.

What a that's got to be difficult to follow that act.

You know, to be to be Derek.

That's I love that's like Owen Wilson to Luke Wilson.

It's like him being down when he moved to Florida.

Still miss you, though.

That one.

Have we love you?

He definitely tried to.

He tried to slide that through.

I was going to grab that one, but.

Yeah, when he moved down to Florida,

it was like I didn't see him for a year.

And then he came back and he rolls up

and he gets out of the car and he's got like a bud cowboy boots,

like camo cargo shorts.

Tommy Bahama, Florida, man.

Yeah, straight Florida, man, like tank top and long hair,

but shaved kind of on the sides.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

He didn't have the hay dudes.

That's what isn't that what they all wear down there?

He does for sure now.

Sure, he does.

I don't know what those are, but those like little turd tappers.

Everybody wears Florida.

The shakers.

No, they're like a sort of a boat,

shoot, be.

Slip on.

I think you should.

I think you should bring it back, dude.

One more time.

You know, it's like.

You still got the you main entail

and the vertical, right?

But he's.

That's it.

Remember from Blades of Glory.

All right, what's yours, guys?

I mean, it brings back the Josh.

I think we shoot this.

I don't want to put it back.

He brings back the Josh and shaves his face.

I will grow my hair out.

Jeremy, won't let me forget about it.

You're not your other hair.

Hey, to another killer ass year.

It's halfway over.

It's like a terrible disgusting.

Oh, it's so bad, but I'd psych myself up.

It's it's not as bad as I remember it after taste gets you.

Man, it's just sticks around for sure.

I feel like either something should be in the medicine cabinet.

Oh, the red colored mulch sulked in ever clear.

Yeah, but a little bit of shit sprinkled.

Yeah, it's like just so.

Oh, my God.

Maybe that's her secret.

Just to pinch a poo at the end.

It was bad.

It's not as bad, though.

It's just dried like dries your mouth.

I remember it being worse.

It's like a leather glove that's been sitting in a corner of it.

What do you say?

Chemical fact, you just stay straight, Malort the whole episode.

Go for it, dude.

Old styles. Old styles.

Chicago or Milwaukee.

I think it's more.

No, no, no.

I would.

I think you're supposed to drink it on the rocks, though.

I think that's what they were supposed to drink.

It's our children.

Really? I mean, really?

Well, is there any?

I'll do it.

Since 1933, as many people as fucked with that in Chicago,

there's got to be a decent cocktail made with Malort.

There's no way.

Cocktails.

A rag in the top.

Malort has the aroma and full bodied flavor of an unusual botanical.

Its bitter taste is savored by two fisted drinkers.

That's what I look for in my booze.

His two fist calls you.

You can make a.

There's all those cocktails with chartreuse.

And chartreuse is not exactly not botanical.

But yeah.

You can keep it on the table, Jer.

I mean, I don't want to look at it.

It doesn't remind me.

It's a nice centerpiece right there at the back for everybody

to that needs to zoom in.

Send her back and remember at the end of the episode of what to try.

One is not getting signed.

That's fine.

Hey, that one goes to you don't know that.

Yeah.

Great segue.

When somebody you guys need to take that when we leave,

that needs to go to Columbus with us.

OK, great parking lot pass around.

I'm sure there's plenty of people that have not had Malort.

Right. That's great.

It's great.

Just so happens, good guys.

Columbus is just coming up right around the corner.

July 10th and 12th.

Don't remind me, man.

That's that's the one we're always behind schedule.

We are.

Columbus is coming up.

Big show.

Street Machine of the Year.

Builders Choice Picks by Rojter Shoppe and Dutch Boys Hot Rods.

Kind of an up and comer.

I don't know much about those guys.

Over in Paul Guy.

Yeah, he's cutting his teeth right.

Yeah, they keep trying.

They're going to probably they'll probably hit it.

You keep swinging.

You're going to hit a home run every now and then.

Or a dozen.

And then right before that, we got Des Moines, Iowa, July 3rd through 5th.

Who's going to Des Moines here?

It's my my personal favorite one.

Jam, is that true?

Yeah.

Good cruising on the 4th of July.

Not cruise routes.

Yeah, it's cool.

You can watch all the cars without having to walk and try to check it all out.

And downtown Des Moines way cooler than I think anyone realizes.

So it's a good time.

I feel like it's a great family show, too.

Yeah.

You see a lot of the builders that we work with regularly.

They bring out their families, kids.

Like it's just all around great time.

That's a that's a keep out of the doghouse.

Well, it's 4th of July.

We got to go to the show.

You know what?

Let's bring the kids.

Well, it's a vacation weekend for everybody.

Yeah, fireworks, Demo and Derby.

Been there, done that.

No, no, that play.

But it is good.

Like you said, it's a great.

The chocolate chip cookie stand alone could probably be responsible

for half the attendance.

They have these are some of the things they've got.

They've got the fireworks extravaganza, a pinup girl contest,

pie baking contest and a watermelon eating contest.

I think those are all separate contests.

I don't think they.

It'd be a lot more do them all together.

I did judge the pie eating contest one year.

Did you? Yeah.

Yeah, it was a pie eating.

It was a shaking.

Is it judged on style?

You know what?

You're right.

It's pie baking.

It's you ate them being the judge.

You tasted the pie and then you judge the watermelon is the eating contest.

I wonder if you know, do pretty well in that hand shape.

Which one in the in the pie baking contest,

even right hand shape, a pan and everything.

Yeah.

Who?

They brought the crushing that little rhubarb.

Yeah, yeah, he makes a hell of a pie is known for his pie.

Yes.

Yeah, Derek asked.

He's had some of that.

He's made one baked one with him.

I remember we're going to move on.

Can we get these off the table?

Yeah, get those out of here.

Well, let's let's get into it.

Is everybody we'd like to think everybody knows, but they don't all know.

No, they don't know of the

you know, Phil Smut Rockstar sales manager, Roadster shop.

How long you've been here?

Eight and a half years going on.

An urban even longer.

Oh, man, it's going to be.

Eleven years at the end of July.

It seems like just yesterday.

Oh, we were here at the round table before the podcast was here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a great interview, by the way.

All all illustrious careers prior to Urban came from Harley Davidson.

Andrew came from the one and only painless performance wiring products.

And Phil's modeling career was just wrapping up.

And needed to come here.

Yeah, it's all right.

Yeah, it's something. Nailed it, right?

Well, I mean, to dive back into it, you didn't come from the automotive.

I did not know. No, but you've you born and raised kind of into it, right?

That's a yeah, upbringing.

Yeah, my dad was a mechanic for a four dealership.

Joe Rizza and North Riverside.

So Joe Rizza, Joe Rizza for North.

North. I knew Harlem.

So you don't remember the jingle from the radio.

I don't think this is for Joe Rizza.

You know, the Wayne's World when they're driving around.

I think that's in the first few minutes of the movie.

There's the.

It's like the Washington Monument Sphere with the eight or nine cars stacked on it.

Yeah, I was right across the street like the North Riverside Mall.

OK, so I was like, cool, being a kid, going over there and always seeing that.

Yeah, like the Volkswagen bug on top.

But yeah, that was a mechanic for Ford for 30 years.

And we lived with whatever he can bring home from the dealership and the driveway.

So yeah, I grew up around it before this.

I worked in the health care industry, particularly in what we call the medical

and scientific staffing industry, which was wildly different from from this.

Was it? Yeah. Was it was it tough trying to polish yourself up

and be more professional and here? Yeah, I think it was quite the opposite.

Yeah, a little different doing a corporate sales gig for the time.

Eight to nine years, you know, tie and everything.

And then switching to this was was was good.

It was great. I'm happy to be here still.

Let your hair down a little bit.

Let your hair down, loosen up a little bit.

I mean, it was the first year before you would untuck the T-shirt into the into the jeans.

No belt tucked in T-shirt.

I'm just used to it.

Yeah, something like that.

Says the Corvette owner. Yeah, all right.

One of these days, I'm going for how many times.

I mean, I bust that out a lot.

It's it works. It's quite the look.

It's amazing what the belt the lack of the belt.

I know what a belt does to a tucked in ensemble.

When you remove the belt, it's just so bad.

Well, go home tonight.

If you don't believe me, go home tonight.

Tuck your tuck your T-shirt into your jeans with no belt on.

Just go ahead and see what that looks like.

You know, while I'm there, I might as well just wear some new balance shoes and all white.

Better than the buddy.

I'd be real.

I'd be real careful talking about somebody's footwear coming from your track record.

I figure we'd bring it up early on so that we can get it out of the way.

Move past it. Yeah, that's a diffusing technique.

I don't like that.

I have that one locked and loaded for the time.

So we've heard briefly Phil's back.

We're getting to it.

It's on her fan side.

Any sort of fashionista type background?

I mean, where did the the cardigans and the Uggs and the, you know,

you're a very stylish guy compared to the wife?

No, the style is like style.

The style came from mom and dad, man.

Yeah. You know, being first generation here from the Philippines,

they prided themselves on just looking good, feeling good and doing well.

And so you took the opposite.

That's cool. You're not you're not explaining it.

I'm just trying to push the envelope on on a tire that all people can wear.

Right. It's not specific to any gender.

Yeah. When worn correctly.

Agree to disagree.

OK, it looks comfortable.

You look cozy.

I mean, it does look comfortable.

Those winter days when it's cold, AC is blowing and still zero degrees outside.

It's nice to have that cardigan.

But as as hurtful, I mean, seriously, as hurtful as it probably was

in the manner in which Jeremy delivered it to you.

I did not. I delivered it to you to deliver it to you.

You say something about those.

You have to fill with the driving force behind that, actually.

You're a better person for it now, right?

Well, so I did retire the Uggs.

Something you didn't have a choice.

But yes, you know, I feel like if I can retire the Uggs,

you guys should be able to retire the skinny jeans.

I don't know, dude.

I see for me being like not very tall, I just can't wear like wide legs.

You know, the skinny jeans just they work.

And Jesse James, obviously a huge fan.

I see his comments that he did.

Yeah. Yeah.

You think it's time to lose the skinny jeans?

I think we've got downstairs.

Jankos. Yes.

And what happened to the Jinkos you were supposed to wear?

Yeah, the guys, the, you know,

Viper chair guys didn't show up at the Seema show.

So I don't know what the in between is.

I can't. I don't think there's in between jeans.

Like there's jeans that now there's

tighter jeans, right? I don't think. Right.

There's there's there's two baggy and it looks like you're.

But then there's a standard straight leg,

but you want to go for a decent taper, right?

Not a straight up.

But just a straight up.

Straight. It looks like it looks like they're a pair of home.

It looks like it's like my first jeans.

Like there's the regular.

Oh, look at the you grown up, buddy.

Going to school in your in your pants and your big boy pants.

Like I just that's what I feel with yours.

You know, when you put a pair of.

You've tried them on before and you're like, no, no.

Yeah, that's kind of 47 years old.

And I'm not where my wife's pants. I'm not seven.

They're not tight.

You're lower half in his upper half.

Perfect combination.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're jeggings with his cardigan.

That's a win.

Maybe we might be just getting old.

Like when you look at your dad as a kid and dad, you're like, dad, Jesus.

Like put some wide legs on dad was wearing like the leaves or Levi's

of the ones that came past about that was a braided belt tucked in T-shirt.

You know, I'll tell you, I'm we've joked about it.

I'm seriously I'm bringing back cargos.

Well, there we be and Josh both had a really good experience with cargos recently.

I wear them way more than you know.

We talk about cargo.

They make it.

Or I love to bring cargo shorts back, but that ain't going to happen.

They make them fit like kind of regular.

Straight up. These are Walmart cargos.

We were in at Barrett Jackson and we had some time to kill.

And we decided that we wanted to rent UTVs and go up in that tanto

national forest area and go ripping a little bit.

Well, problem is we only brought a tire for Barrett Jackson.

You know, so we were sort of dressed nice and we needed something that could get dirty.

So we popped into Walmart and me and Josh both found a beautiful pair

of Wrangler cargos.

Amazing. Try them on.

And they did they just they just hug you like it feels like a warm hug.

A little stretchy. They fit well.

They fit great.

And since then we rocked them while we were riding.

It's amazing. You could put like your cell phone, your wallet,

all kinds of stuff in there.

And since then, I find myself like on the weekends.

Oh, they're all way heavier in rotation.

They should be.

And we actually recently ran into each other

on like this Saturday, a son of both doing like shitter on the house.

And then we met up later and we both just happened to be wearing those

Wrangler cargos.

Such a great pick up the pig skin and start tossing around.

I just crack a beer.

Crack a beer.

Old style.

Were we wearing the crows with them?

No, the crows didn't make it back somehow.

I don't think they had room in our in our suitcase.

I still don't know where the Tupac sweatshirt went either.

I know where your sweatshirt went because you're acting like a baby about it.

What did Chuckie?

The Chuckie sweatshirt.

What did I do at the Dalit?

Through in the garbage.

They have a sweet Baja.

You did have a sweet Baja.

OK.

This is just what you guys signed up for, I'm sure.

Harley Davidson is was where you were working as a salesman prior to coming here.

Yes, sir.

Did you know what you were getting into at that point?

No, I was only there for about a month.

And you were trained by the best here.

I was trained by the best.

Absolutely.

Phil found me.

I went into the Harley dealership walking around.

Now you get annoyed by like 400 salesmen.

Yeah, Irvin was the first one to get annoyed by.

Would not leave him alone trying to sell them more.

How did you? How'd you?

Segue?

Well, how'd you change your tactics?

His Harley.

I will agree with the Harley is difficult when I dread walking in there

because they are on you, man, and they're the pressure you get.

You're like, dude, I don't think you're going to pressure me into and sell me

a Harley when I was just like, I'm sort of just killing time here today.

I happen to be in the area.

Our product line is obviously not like that.

What was that?

How was it like transitioning into that?

How'd you find your way?

Where'd you find your sweet spot there?

Well, at Harley, I took a different approach than your typical salesman,

car salesman approach.

I educated the customer first on what products we have,

investigated what kind of motorcycle would be best for them,

and then just kind of steered them in that direction.

I didn't try to push them on a motorcycle purchase every single time.

I just kind of let my knowledge base, my information,

dictate if they were going to buy a motorcycle or not.

So I kind of took that approach here at the Roadster Shop,

but the product here just makes it much more easier.

You know, I was able to get into my groove

and just be confident in the product, tell them about the product.

Inform them of what they're getting into and just works.

Phil, did you buy a motorcycle?

I did not.

I bought a gift card, though.

Hey, buddy.

Gift card, though.

Sold them.

So the salesman got them.

Yeah, that one loaded to you.

Remember 100 percent.

I don't remember buying a gift card, but it may just been to get out of there.

Oh, I was impressed with Irvin and walked in just off the street.

And I remember that you reached out and told me, yeah, hit him up

and stole him out of there.

Oh, I saw it very differently.

My perspective is completely different.

What? Let's hear it, man.

So I was only in there for about a month at that dealership.

Phil came in.

We're we're just talking.

I did the normal greeting like you would, you know, any customer coming in.

We just talked, walked the shop, talked about product, what you're what he was here for.

He was buying for dad.

Because I remember dad had the rocker.

Right.

And you ended up getting a gift card for Father's Day.

That's why I didn't sell him a gift card, but he was getting it.

I'd make more sense.

I didn't think I'd be buying it.

So you're a hardy dealer, so you're responsible for the fucking windshield

or whatever he bought for that thing after that.

I think I went looking for riding glasses

and a cigarette holder, maybe.

That's stray.

That's stray on the handlebars.

So then after Phil left, we exchanged numbers.

He texted me a couple days later and said, hey,

looking for somebody to work at the roaster shop sales side.

And a lot of my buddies were all automotive,

had guys in Nissan, Ford, Chevy, just mechanics, tax.

And I said, I told Phil I'll reach out to them and see if they'd like to work at the road shop.

Unbeknownst to me, it was him trying to get me to come in for an interview.

You know, so then came in for the interview on my day off.

Didn't know it was an interview.

Phil wanted to show me around,

showed, took me on the tour that we typically give all of our customers.

Started at the chassis, chassis side, worked our way to the fab side,

came up here.

That's when Jeremy came up and then

at the at the end of that,

he said there was an offer for a job.

And I didn't know how to answer that.

I told him, hey, I just started at the road at Harley.

I don't know if I can leave that.

I'm doing well over there, but I appreciate the offer.

And I said, when do you need to know by well, right now?

Basically, it was a Wednesday.

I put you on a call list and called back 15 times in the next half hour.

No, it was it was a Wednesday that we had that interview that Friday.

You needed to know because the following week,

we were going to Street Rod Nationals and that's when I met you

when you were still at Gulesby. Yeah. But yeah, that's how that all played out.

That's salesmanship right there.

Learn a thing or two from I did.

And that's why I've been here for a year.

Thank you, Phil.

What's it going to take to get you in this job today?

What's it?

What about your board to make a monthly?

No, but it's been a great 11 years.

Yeah, it's been awesome.

And it's been a pleasure having you looking forward to many more.

You kick an ass and it's been awesome.

Do you I mean, you've had a chance to work with a number of different guys too.

You date back to the Tony era.

Oh, the Tony era.

You spent some time with the old John Tony and Tony and then John, big John.

Yeah, John.

And yeah, we've

we've really grown and things have

changed quite a bit over the years.

But you've always done great.

Irvin, in

know what you've been really good at adapting to the surroundings,

no matter what they are, you know, and in matching whatever the other energy is.

That's one thing I will say.

And I'm not everybody I've heard this, but no matter who you talk to,

like they love Irvin.

Everybody loves Irvin, right?

Great. Yeah, great.

Even when they're bitching about you, I mean, I love him.

Well, and that's like probably will explain how this podcast has already

gotten completely derailed and will probably continue to get derailed

because, you know, we've all spent a lot of time together hanging out.

Like what we're doing here is no different than what we typically do in a car show.

It's, you know, we're there to sell some chassis and be a little professional.

But there's also a fair amount of just

relationship hanging out relationships, drinking beer, having some fun.

So yeah, it's a it's a great group that we all click with.

And that's sort of how we've always tried to structure the sales team is

and that's make it too formal.

And I remember, I mean, back to Phil, you came because of your brother

working here at that point in time.

And I remember sitting up here before this podcast studio

and, you know, me and Phil, we were talking and that was it was a little new

on our side because of no real prior knowledge to the industry itself, right?

And specifically talking about the the relationship building

and, you know, how these builders are and select that or whatever.

And that's, you know, you kind of took to it like a, you know, fish to water,

like instantly of understanding that.

And I think even over time or whatever there, you everybody learns every every day

and every year of picking up in those personalities and knowing how these

builders are. And, you know, there were some things we said exactly how these

how it's going to be right there in this room, you know, and be interested

to see like your thought at that point when we were having that conversation

and then, you know, along the way of what you've picked up.

Yeah. So I worked in a corporate sales environment for eight and a half years

before coming here. And, you know, my brother worked here as a fabricator

for five years, four years, something like that.

Yeah, before he just left me high and dry, just throw my heart.

Yeah, peace out.

But anyways, I think I came up one day to visit him.

We knew who the roadster shop.

I remember when he actually interviewed for the job.

He was like, I'm going to interview with Jeremy.

He was working at it.

He was working at a shop down south and

he got the offer and he was like, oh, man, I don't know.

It's kind of a far drive.

I remember like having the conversation, being like, you're an idiot.

If you don't, if you don't take the job, you have to do it.

So before working here, I obviously knew who Roadster Shop was.

I was looking for a career change.

I was doing something totally different sales, but it was more of a

high metric corporate based sales environment.

I mean, cold calling, going on meetings with

C-suite executives, all sorts of different stuff.

Did you wear scrubs as a medical sales?

No, I didn't. So it wasn't medical. A lot of people.

I've got a friend that's in.

Yeah, like device, medical device sales.

They like they sort of sit in on some like they'll pop into some like

surgery, surgery and be there in case they have to like troubleshoot.

They're doing training on the mind.

So the company I worked for was a it started off as a staffing firm

and kind of evolved into a consulting firm.

And basically my job as a salesperson was to just pick up the phone and cold call

people primarily at hospitals and like pharmaceutical companies.

And all you're trying to do is get in front of them.

Trying to get 15 meetings a week.

So you're just picking up the phone, cold calling.

Yeah. So when I started out of college, I was like, I, you know,

I don't know what to do. I had a finance degree 2008, 2009 recession.

It's like a terrible time to graduate from college, right?

Especially finance.

Yeah. And nobody I remember going to people didn't have finances.

Yeah. There's no finances to manage.

Right. I remember going to the career fear and I was like, I'm going to be

just a business guy. Like I'm just going to do business things.

Like we're going to sell stuff and go on business meetings.

I'm going to carry a suitcase and it's going to be super cool.

What's up with Jerry doing sports things?

Yeah. Sports and business.

We're just going to do business stuff.

And I remember going to the career fair and like Caterpillar was there

because I went to Illinois State Central Illinois.

Caterpillar was in Peoria.

So I'm going to work for Caterpillar. It's going to be sweet.

I'm going to sell like awesome equipment.

And I remember walking up to the guy who was probably like 30 or something.

And I was like, Hey, nice to meet you.

He's like, Well, what do you like? What do you want to be?

I was like, I don't know.

I just got a degree in finance and I just want to do business.

And he's like, Yeah, we're not hiring.

We're like going to close down this plan.

I'm like, Well, what the fuck are you here?

You know, just so we're here to crush dreams.

Yeah. Basically.

So after that, I was like, Well, I guess like sales is really the only path

because I don't want to do finance.

I don't want to sit and like crunch numbers or any of that stuff.

So everybody got a job at this place.

I started working there.

Long story short, many years of doing that cold calling.

And I was ready for a career change.

I came up here, visited my brother one day.

I think I met you Phil briefly.

Yeah, just in passing, maybe.

And a couple of weeks later, Derek called me and was like, Hey,

their sales guy quit.

I think they're going to look for a sales guy.

And I was like, Oh, sweet. OK.

So I think I sent my resume to you.

I think Josh, you were working here for maybe about a year

or a little year.

And that sales guy didn't quit, by the way.

Yeah.

Let's just let's set the record straight.

No, you were down one.

Right.

We had a position to fill.

And I came up here and met with or I talked to Josh on the phone.

He said, come on up and Medline down the street was actually my like one

of my big customers.

So I had a sales meeting over there and came over here afterwards and.

I met with Phil and Josh up in the old conference room that was up here.

Yeah.

And I knew from walking in, I mean, I knew what Roaster Shop was.

It was an exciting company to follow, especially if you're in the cars

and hot riding and yada, yada.

But I knew there was like you could feel it when you walked in.

There was cool stuff going on.

You were you guys are manufacturing a good product.

I was like, man, this is like something cool to be a part of.

And I remember sitting down with you guys and just doing the interview.

I think it went pretty good.

And then I asked you guys, I said, like, what are you, what are you trying to do?

You know, like what's what's the goal?

And either one of you, like we're trying to fucking conquer the world.

That Josh.

Yeah, it's probably Josh.

He's probably like, what can I say?

What can I say to, you know, fill this up a little bit.

Phil's the one that didn't even tell him he was coming in for an interview.

So I feel like I remember a drastically different version, but it explains

a lot of conversations.

And if you're back in your clothing, I this shirt's definitely a run.

Was that a don't wear a cardigan over that.

Oh, no, I'm not going to add that.

That's why I'm not.

Hey, did the.

Yeah, I have to let go.

Oh, did the conquer the world statement was that off putting?

No, it wasn't off putting.

I was I was looking for a company that was like, you know, wanting to.

I don't want to.

You don't want to join a company that doesn't have a stag.

Yeah, stag.

Like it's not exciting, you know.

The main thing I was looking for something totally different.

I wanted to stick in sales, but be a part of a company that wanted to grow.

The company I worked at last, when I started, there was maybe 4550 employees.

And by the time I was done, there was a like maybe 455.

So we grew substantially.

I got to be a part of that.

Yeah.

And that was cool, but it was just I was ready for a change.

And you guys basically said, like, yeah, we're we're trying to dominate this industry.

And we got really cool things that we're trying to do.

And that was attractive.

You know, and I saw you can visibly see it when you were here.

And I was like, I want to be a part of that.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah, man, that was you were an awesome addition.

Awesome addition to the team.

I remember Derek bringing it up.

He was casual about it.

Like, you know, he didn't like hype you up.

But he's like, yeah, my brother, I think my brother would be pretty good.

Here, bring him in.

What was the first show you went to?

Right.

I think it was Louisville.

No, it was Texas Kid guys.

Me and you went down.

I was there for four.

I know there's one show we tried to start to go to the show right away.

Yeah, that was like, I think a week or two weeks after I started, we went down there, did the first show.

It's kind of a little shell shock that was like, you know, inside the Speedway.

Yeah.

Oh, man, like, am I going to be talking to these types of people all the time?

Like a lot of what do you mean by that?

Yeah, we have what types of people, you know, like tire kickers and stuff like that.

You know, but I quickly learned, you know, the landscape and like, OK,

there's legitimate customers, there's builders.

There's a lot of good people in this industry.

But I mean, I've been to many good guys shows before I started working here.

So I kind of knew, but like you're never on the opposite side of something.

You're up to the vendors when you're there or whatever.

Yeah.

I feel like the, you know, the customer base changed drastically over the years.

It used to be in the early years, like going to a good guy show or Louisville.

You never were talking to builders, right?

Remember, it was just everybody was.

And customer. Yeah, it was always the end customer.

And maybe he had like a builder kind of like, lingering behind them.

And then he'd make the decision and that totally shifted.

Yeah.

You probably experienced a little bit of that, maybe.

Oh, yeah. In your early years.

But now it's the customer was like the GC.

Right. And he he had his builder that was going to do some of these things,

whatever he was, he was doing the shopping, doing the talking thing.

This is what we're doing.

Andrew, to you, you've been in the industry for quite some time.

You have a little different path to the road.

Your shop. Yeah.

So, yeah, started at Painless in 2014.

Really had a good buddy over there that was looking to bring marketing in house

and kind of got my foot in the door on the tech line, helping out with that.

And with any year he had me doing the marketing and then it just kind of grew from that.

But all the typical show travel

lots of it back then because we did a lot of focus on four wheel drive events.

So we were doing.

I can't remember how many shows, like 40 shows a year.

So Derek, our sales manager, did a bunch of the four wheel drive stuff.

So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll go do the street ride,

you know, muscle car stuff.

And yet you just get to meet so many people when you're at these events.

And year by year, I was on the HRA with you.

And then got to know these guys.

I mean, a lot of it goes down with like Brian Downard, good buddies with him.

I don't know if I should admit that, but he kind of when he was here.

Good old Brian.

Old 39.

When the ODB, when he was here for a little bit,

really got to know these guys.

I already knew Irvin from I met you at NSRA Nationals or something.

Always a bad influence, but, you know, good times.

And really got to know, you know, Phil and everything and then seeing him at shows.

It kind of turned into the typical, you know, after the show,

drinking in the Peter Belt and Phil mentioned coming to work here.

And I told him I'm not really looking.

I was happy where I was at.

I liked everything down there and really kind of started thinking and

growing up and I grew up in Kansas.

I missed the Midwest and it all just kind of snowballed into me moving

across the country and it's been just under four years now.

So has it been four years?

Yeah. Yeah.

You're in I guess two weeks will be my four year anniversary here.

Happy four years.

Yeah.

With some old style.

Cheers, Phil.

What did you think you knew you knew the sales guys

and you knew us the Roadster Shop.

What was your interpretation, expectations

and was it any different once you got to see behind the curtain?

Not really. I mean, I you kind of know.

I mean, everything's out there.

None of these guys have any sort of act that shows.

I mean, we're just all car guys hanging out at a show.

So I knew, you know, on that side of things going in.

Coming over here.

I mean, I knew it was a growing company and, you know,

there's always going to be stuff with that, but nothing really caught me

by surprise at any point throughout it.

Yeah, it was just super exciting.

I always followed, you know, what you guys had going on.

And it was just cool to have the opportunity.

So kick ass.

Yeah, you hit the ground running.

I mean, it's great when you already have.

Industry knowledge.

Yeah, industry knowledge.

And you're also you've got your industry contact.

You know, you've got your people at shops that you've dealt with before,

whatever. So it's like it's kind of like a leg up, right?

You've already got that in, you know, so that it makes it a little bit

more interesting because it's it's wild how, you know,

we don't do, you know, first up or dibs or any of that kind of stuff, you know.

But when you go to a show,

any of you guys can talk to anybody else's customers, right?

Because they're all roadster shop customers.

And everybody's got to get their group that they that they gravitate towards,

right? And like we talked about up the thing, you know, everybody wants to have

the guy, right? We do the same thing.

You guys are all do the same thing when you go to, you know, get something

done at your house or you're spending your money on something, you know,

you want to know that you've got an end, right?

The first thing you do is call around.

Hey, you know, anybody that does this because you don't want to just go through

the fucking, you know, I was going to say yellow pages, but you know,

go through and be like, oh, plumber ABC plumbing.

I'll just cold call them, right? Everybody wants to know, like,

let me get the connect.

Let me you got a guy that works here and you trust him.

They introduce me.

Like, you mean you feel like you've got the guy that's what it's all about, man.

It's it's networking.

And that's how you get stuff done in this industry.

And for me, especially there's you've got to have those contacts.

And you guys are those contacts.

If for me, I think about it's like, who do I reach out to?

If Justin at Dakota, I don't even know who owns Dakota.

As far as I'm concerned, Justin doesn't.

Right. Like if I need something done, that's my guy.

Ross does.

But I have never met him.

No disrespect to him.

I just I never met him.

Justin and that's that's right.

And if I need something, I reach out.

You got to have your guy. Ric Love, Vin Jair.

Yeah, right.

Rick's the guy. You know, everybody's got their guys that they.

And that's what makes the brand is one thing.

You know, but the brand doesn't answer the call, right?

And the brand doesn't, you know, text back, unfortunately, at like,

you know, Saturday or Sunday, because that's when a lot of builders

have the time to text the good. Hey, man, send me a quote on this.

A lot of Sunday tax.

59 in Palo. Yeah. Give me a quote.

Oh, this is like your seventy fifth chassis.

You know that we do the Revo fast track and spec, which one you want?

Oh, yeah, which the hammered one.

And I don't know, like L.S.

and maybe manual, maybe automatic might do an L.T.

Also think about Big Block. Just send me a quote.

Irving just puts in TBD.

For years, I think he thought TBD was an actual.

It is the AOD, the TBD.

I do run an L.S. TBD.

Man, I'll be honest.

When there is that TBD there, it's because I'm just trying to get them that quote

in a timely manner. 100 percent.

We've all been there. And then I forget.

I forget to follow up and say, Hey, what transmission?

What motor you run?

A lot of it's on the customer, though, because they're like, Hey, I'll get that to you later.

Just get me the information.

Just we I want to send you money right now.

All have been there.

It is going. Yeah, that's a tough one.

I mean, you think like you're very early on in your build process

when you're ordering a chassis.

It's it's difficult to say that like, you know, 100 percent.

Certain things, sometimes a motor dictates a transmission.

Now, if you're doing a L.T. L.T.

one, L.T. four, and you know you want an auto, it's going to be a 10 speed.

All right. But it's an L.S.

You've sort of got a plethora of 100 transmission options.

It has TBD being one of them.

This is this was 100 percent.

We should talk to Buller about that.

Make a TBD.

Yeah, I get it.

I guess that was, you know, directly shots at our good customers,

you know, the builders and the end users, right?

Because it is you have that relationship, right?

It is a good relationship with them.

And like you said, the things change.

We've had, you know, over over growth and the customer's experience

and us getting better and under and understanding.

You've got customers now that literally will do that.

Like, hey, just I just need a placeholder.

Like I haven't decided exactly which one this is, whatever.

I'm just going to send in a deposit, you know, it's going to be roughly

half of what the spec chassis is.

And we're.

Get me in line and then like in two weeks from now, like bug me

because like I'll probably have the answers right there.

And it's well, it is what it is.

But with you guys having the experience you have in the amount

of time you've been here, all you guys being knowledgeable car guys.

I mean, Phil yet to build his legend truck, but you have a beautiful square body.

You know, I've thrown it out there, dude.

It's there. Just let me know when you're ready.

Andrew just finished up your bubble top.

Like these guys know fucking cars.

Their office has 64 fucking different projects driving every single day.

I've never seen anybody drive so many different vehicles.

And they their position geographically right next to the assembly department.

So they see things you guys know learn things.

So it is very beneficial to first customers to be able to sound off

you guys and say, oh, yeah, man, I am.

I'm running an LS three.

Like, what do you think?

Yeah. And I'm sure you guys run into that.

There's a granny.

You got some great builders that are wildly experienced and they just come in.

I'm sure they know exactly what they want.

But well, and they just have the skill set and the knowledge to be able to

help steer the same nation. Yeah.

Yeah, you got to steer the ship a little bit, steer the conversation,

the direction of the order.

But also like, I mean, you guys know, there's a lot of builders, too,

that are also trying to figure it out, too, because they also have to talk to

their customer and talk their customer into a certain direction

that they want to take the build.

So there's that two levels of trying to find the right information.

It's a fine line, too, because you want to the end goal for everybody

at the roaches shop is that customer experience.

Right. So you want to make sure that you can steer them

in the best possible outcome for what they're trying to build.

Right. So if it's

we talk about motor stuff all the time, right?

Because the biggest joke always is

I want it as low as possible with the biggest, i.e.

tallest motor and the biggest, tallest wheels and tires with no modification

to the floor and or the hood. Right.

So let's let's shrink everything this way while also making everything

that goes in there as big as possible. Right.

And then there's the talk through like, Hey, man, just let you know

on twenty twos, Irvin, airbags, you know, in this motor,

you're going to start running it and you're not sure it's difficult.

It's a fine line because you're not trying to tell.

You don't want to be like you're you know more than they do.

Right. You don't want to steer them out of a sale, but you don't want to just say

there's a lot of yes men and yes people in this deal where she's like, OK,

yeah, fuck it. That's what you want. It's on you.

I'll take the money. We'll build it the way it is.

And then in six months, right, they're getting it and they're like, Hey,

this is I didn't know this. This is fucked up.

The transmission goes to there's no place to put a seat.

My back when my quarter windows won't roll down.

I got to tub this up the top of the tires through the top of the fender.

I think we had all of that on that one.

See what you're all on. Which one?

The one that we all the explain to the guy that none of that would work.

And yeah, we found out the hard way.

You did. Yeah. No, he got he got educated by another shop.

Yeah.

They got really educated after it.

They don't come together and work out.

Yeah. Turns out you were telling the truth, right?

All those things that you said, well, you learn early on in this business,

like you have to try and give them all the information up front

to educate them up front, because if you don't exactly what you just said,

it comes back on you. And you're like, what the hell?

Like, you know, I got to do this, got to modify this.

And I had that happen to me a couple of times early on.

I was like, I don't want that ever happened again.

You know, I don't you don't want to get that call from the customer.

Right.

So now there's a lot of more up front work and effort that goes into it

to educate the customer, make sure they know what they're getting into,

especially if they're an at home builder and not

waving the shop. Sometimes they call and they're like, well,

what the fuck? I got to do this.

It's like, yeah, well, yeah, you want to have four inches off the ground.

It's kind of hard to, you know, not have to modify the trans tunnel

or cut the trunk floor.

Do the physics is a tough one.

Yeah, physics is around.

The education is important, not all that stuff.

Being able to let those guys know how to tie, even if it is going to be a lot of work,

like this is what you're in for.

Yeah, the expectations are out of the car to do what you want to do.

Set in the stage and plant in the seeds and the expectations up front.

You know, it's it's less about what work has to be done.

It's the fact of not knowing that you had to do it or didn't have to do it.

The thing now is we have we have multiple options for almost every vehicle

because we've designed it one way or another bags, coil overs, standard height,

slant, whatever it is, we've done something typically to that vehicle.

So you usually have options to give the customer and say, if you wanted this,

this way, here's something we've already done.

You know, it's a lot easier now.

I shouldn't say easier, but we have enough technical know how now to educate them on

that's just one option or the other.

That's one of the most fun, too, especially when it's a customer you've dealt with a lot,

you know, and they're like, oh, just yeah, do the standard ride height, whatever.

You know, I want to do this motor and transmission.

Oh, man, he's really want this thing like hammered, right?

All right, you soon that I really don't want to do like the bed floor

and all the wheel tub is like that.

I don't ever want this thing to blow.

And now they obviously know what's involved, right?

They've got both stances.

They're like, I really want it to sit like that.

But this me and this guy really want to just like roll through this thing.

And then it usually comes back, you know what?

Fuck it. What it looks like is more important.

Let me cut the wheel tubs and let me do this.

I think I would have to imagine that the like the tin kits that we offer now

make that a little more digestible for guys because they're

you find yourself in that position a lot.

The standard height, spec stuff, it's great.

Like if I were building a pickup truck, it's probably what I'd use.

Is it you can just roll through it?

But I mean, if you want to build something that's going to stand out

and you want the stance right, you're cutting the bed floor.

You know, you're putting a trance tunnel in a certain car.

And that used to be very difficult, you know, like, I don't know that

everybody understands the level of experience and the amount of time it takes,

especially doing it at home to put it, simply put a trance tunnel in some

having that laser cut trance tunnel. It's certainly that's something

we got to mark and show off a lot.

That's what I'm fucking doing, Phil.

I know I'm easy.

I think honestly, Phil knows better than anybody of what it takes

to put a trance tunnel in a square by a chair or a

inner fenders and floor and rear floor and wheel tubs.

That's the way to the rhythm.

On the way to Detroit.

I don't think they're done yet.

Honestly.

Uh, going back to kind of what you were saying, how much does actually

like having that relationship and knowing the customer help you guys

steer the conversation when you're talking to someone and like, dude,

you've got the skills like, you know, you want this thing hammered, like,

shut up. This is what you need.

Yeah, I think it depends on your personal relationship with the builder.

Like there's plenty of customers that we have that you can talk to

straight, you know, and just be like, don't, don't be an idiot.

Like you can do this.

Like, you know what I mean?

But there's also plenty that need to be educated on it.

I think for the most part on a truck, see, they're no, they want it hammered

or they know they don't want to cut shit.

And that's just the two, like sometimes you send both ride stances

and they'll steer one way or the other.

But for the most part, like they're coming to you because they saw like

Phil square and they're like, I just want to hammer out a square body like that.

And we have the built galleries to show like, Hey, here's we got to do

the tunnel, the floor, all that stuff, which that's super helpful for us

to is being able to show anything that raise kits now.

And I mean, there's so many things.

Anything we do to make them getting the car on the road, that process quicker.

Yeah.

I mean, if you sell one of the truck chassis or the chivalre chassis

to a customer and don't sell the trans tunnel and he comes back later

and finds out you had a trans tunnel kit and didn't sell to him.

Usually they're upset about it.

Wait, you tell me this.

Yeah, wait.

Well, it's it's on there.

But yeah, you at the time, you said you did not want it and you were going

to handle that part yourself.

There's a lot of things on there.

I didn't read everything.

You're supposed to tell me about all the things.

When I'll lead in most cases, it was the chivalre guy that you have to do

a tunnel and we have a tunnel because that will tell you right there.

Because there's some guy with some Malibu in line six car that's

matching numbers and he's not cutting his floor in case he ever has to put it

back to stock.

And it's like, just that's I wonder.

I'd like to meet the one guy that's ever done that.

Yeah.

But I'm I'm right there.

You know, we kept the train the frame with the numbers matching motor

and trans to the trans and not that I would ever fucking put it back in.

Yeah, it makes you feel better.

Yeah, just what's what am I going to restore it?

We're going to park it next to the car.

Yes.

What's like my Camaro with all the documentation laid out.

Yeah.

And I kept the motor.

It's sitting on a pallet in Kansas, but it's like one of these days.

I'm just going to rebuild the motor and put it in the basement.

Yeah.

And it's a fun talking point and I'll go crank it over every once in a while.

Make sure the rings haven't like stuck and we're good.

Got a much cheaper idea for you.

It's not just paint it and leave it as is.

Yeah, there's that.

That's true.

That's probably what we should do too.

Just like we're Eastwood, Rattle Can, a little resto on that subframe.

Like I've never played with small blocks.

I've always done L.S.

stuff as far as like anything internal.

So I'm like, it'd be fun to just to play around and do something which is.

Yeah, but well, we're that's an interesting thing to bring up.

Somebody find the parts for it now.

Well, somebody was just asking me the other day.

You don't have to.

I was talking to you.

They want to know if you're seeing more.

Heck, small block.

Will you shut the.

I'm trying to talk.

I'm trying to.

I mean, Phil talking to you while you're saying something stupid.

Small block, big block stuff like small block forward, small block Chevy,

big block Chevy.

Are we seeing more of that these days?

Like are people going back to that at all?

What are we seeing on quotes or when you're talking to guys?

Small block forward and big block Chevy.

Maybe I don't see tons of small block Chevy shit.

Tons of small block fords and Mustangs.

Yeah, man, there's so many of them.

I'm going to come back.

Oddly enough, I've been getting more big block Chevy.

Well, that's this week.

No, this I know the guy that.

That's always he always have six 32 and I don't want to modify my hood.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

Right.

You got to have a big knock to turn over the 26.

Small block forward dunks on a coyote.

That's a fact.

Agreed.

Small block for a good.

A good flat.

Well, man, if you've seen Scott Scott from Scott's rides, you know, he's

it is.

So yeah, right?

Avid listener, huge fan, smart guy.

But he actually, even though with his coyote and his Mustang, he did a little

video a couple of months ago, whatever, like agreeing that like, really?

Yeah, I kind of agree.

In the words of the late great George Poteet.

Oh, I think he said it best when he said what he say, he said, you're off.

He's talking to Hutch.

We said, fuck a coyote.

And then he followed it up with that goddamn word out your mouth.

You lose that word.

John, I think that was you.

John, that damn word out your mouth.

From a diehard Ford guy.

Yeah, that's fucking hilarious.

The but, you know, a lot of that comes to do, you know, having that

relationship with the customer.

But also we talk about all the time on here with with roaches up sales and,

you know, other builders is knowing what the customer is wanting to do with that.

Bill, you know, and there's so many little nuances to play.

You guys understand the industry, you understand the show.

So when they're like, hey, I want to go, I'm going to debut it at this,

I'm going for this award or I'm doing that kind of stuff that sends you down a

path, right? And if they're like, I'm doing a twin turbo Nelson, all right?

Or Casey's building me a four liter Whipple and it's making 13,000

fucking horsepower or whatever.

And I'm doing, you know, 22s on the back of it.

And I want to lay frame and I want to do this.

Starting to like, now you're like, all right, well, you got some fuses

that are in there, right? You're not going to get any traction.

So you're building this more of a show thing, right?

So the performance and then you get the guys are like, well,

I, hey, I want the four link done this way.

And now it, now it becomes kind of a more of a discussion thing.

Like, hey, this guy is doing something that possibly the standard off the shelf

chassis might not be the thing, right?

And it goes to engineering and it goes to Jeremy and it's like, all right,

well, he's going to try to use this thing to do these four different things.

So, you know, it takes you down another path.

But having that conversation and knowing that because we have a lot of size shoes,

it would even as many sizes of shoes as we have, not every size shoe we have

fits every foot, right? Sometimes there's a, sometimes

Irvin's got some of those extra wides in there.

It's like an 11 and three quarter extra wide.

That's a weird shoe, but we can make that shoe. Not a problem.

You get I'm saying there's always, yeah, yeah, it's just seemed like it was lost on.

No, it was not.

Yeah, the stuff that moves into the custom chassis program is interesting.

And it's you guys do a good job handling that because that's taking it.

I mean, you're really taking it to another level.

These are guys that are building cars that are show winning,

big time show contenders.

Guys really trying to do some unique stuff and man, is it diverse?

Like what some of them, you know, it used to be that every single custom chassis,

I knew about it when it got sold.

Now we do a pretty high volume of them and they they cross my desk,

my computer screen before they're done.

But like some of the things that show up are pretty interesting.

89 town car. Yeah, that's the one that comes to mind recently.

Who was behind that one?

But it's cool to see, right? Because it's like, dude, what I can see.

That car like slicked out with the right wheels, slammed.

What's going on as fast track?

Revo. Yeah, Revo nine inch.

Yeah, got just making a nice driver, some shop in California is building it for a lawyer.

So how does that walk me through that one?

When a guy calls because it's easy.

It's what a guy calls and he's got a junior.

He's doing.

We got a short Josh's story.

All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

Let me hear. Oh, yeah.

OK, so there's this Lincoln and the license plate was was not guilty.

Not guilty. Yeah.

And me and Jerry out front were like, this is an interesting car.

An 89 Lincoln license plate, not guilty.

Who's building this and Josh without missing a beat?

Oh, yeah, you didn't hear about that.

That's Johnny Cochran's car.

We're building it for a guy.

We started for Johnny.

It was like probably two minutes he went on about the whole fucking back.

And we're just sitting like, no shit, we're building a chassis for Johnny Cochran.

And then Jerry's like, you're fucking lying, aren't you?

Yeah, no, 100 percent made all that up.

I've never even talked to a salesman about I just saw the tag on it and it just made it up.

But it is for a lawyer.

Yeah. Yeah.

Not guilty. I mean, normally when people call for something like that,

they're pretty self aware that we've not done one before.

So you just ask what the options are, kind of talk with them, you know,

what their plans are for the build, send them.

I mean, depending, you know, it could be cool.

Yeah, it absolutely could be.

I mean, the the interest, the standout ones recently are that.

And then was it grandam is for KTL?

Yeah, that's one which is awesome.

I think that's cool.

Juicy the rendering. No, it's in the folder.

Really? I got to look at it.

Yeah, I saw that.

And I was like, hell, yeah, that is it's it makes my job fun.

It may I know it makes the engineers jobs fun, but it's got to be different handling

like fielding those phone calls and working through those conversations that it is.

When like, let's say, Annie Leach calls up and it's like, you know,

I want to build a 61 bubble top and I want to wedge it.

I want to stretch it like, you know, he knows what he's talking about.

You know, he's an experienced builder and you know, like, sort of how that's going to progress.

Yeah. When I got calls up and he's like 89 Lincoln.

Yeah.

There's at first, there's probably an element of like, are you serious?

Yeah, right? Yeah.

And then how do you and like lots of times it's googling, like on some of the obscure stuff.

Is this a unibody car?

Is it a full frame car?

Because right then I mean, any unibody full custom, we're not doing a spec bolt in for some

one off thing.

So it's like, hey, you got to blast the floors out of this.

You good with that?

So you can always kind of lead with that.

It's weird, though.

It seems like the more weird or obscure the car is, the more they're like ready to throw down.

Like, I don't even need the details.

Like, yeah, just came and do it.

Yeah, I know if you guys are doing it, it's going to be cool.

So you're going to do it.

You said yes or maybe.

OK, where do I send?

Right. How do I get this going?

Like, well, let's back up for a second.

Let's talk about it.

That's what I feel that like these shops, I mean, a little bit inside baseball, right?

But some of these shops where you see like the grandam come through right to the link

and whatever, that guy felt the same way when that shop emailed him back, right?

Because he's probably sent those because the joke around that like there's always

emails that you get, right?

Some of the same customers, some of the same stuff.

But it was like, oh, that's he emailed back.

Like, yeah, absolutely, you can build it.

I hate to say it, but that's probably the same guy that emailed Phil.

That wanted to convert one of those cars from front front wheel drive to rear wheel drive.

Remember that? Maybe I was the problem.

And I was. Yeah, I was gatekeeper.

Yeah, don't tell him how it can be done or it can't be done or you shouldn't do it.

Just say, absolutely, it's going to cost this much.

Those are definitely a few bangers.

What's the standouts for you guys out of the wild card, crazy custom chassis?

Things you've sold the seven by six.

And he's six by six.

Let's throw him up.

Who's the winner?

Who sold the most obscure, crazy custom chassis?

71 Cadillac four door with the

was going to be a donk build.

Remember we did the playboy bunny had rear windshield.

That was cool. I'm sure there's pictures.

So that's yours.

Yeah, that was a fake white gator land on top on it.

Yes, I think it was ostrich.

Did I think it built? Yeah.

No, no, the the chassis got built.

That one actually got built, paid for it out the door.

Well, yeah, I'm not going to build.

No, the carding get built.

OK, I think the guy passed away before.

Like right when he got the chassis, I think the guy passed.

All right, 71 Cadillac four door, the playboy bunny is your pick.

Died in natural causes, murdered.

That's not.

It's not good grief.

Everybody was thinking it.

You didn't have to say it.

I'm just curious.

I know we all work.

I haven't gotten any of the obscure ones.

Yeah, right. No, Mr.

Irvin vanilla salesman, just regular run of the mill.

Never was there also out there.

There was a 57 Chevy that the guy wanted lowered in an straight.

You did that one. I think it was.

Just like you make it, but a little lower.

With the TV.

Irvin's got the tally marks for Don chassis for sure.

Yeah, it does a lot of dogs. I do. I do.

1011

I mean, how many of those have actually finished builds?

The one.

He was on a he kick.

There's more of them out there, you think hanging them out.

Yeah, I didn't.

So we do a lot of don't chassis.

Nobody knows about it.

It's a little side business I got going on there.

We pump out.

Is that where all my dozens?

You had dozens of don't chassis.

It's a huge industry out there.

And they're putting down big.

Listen to the Donk master episode, man.

There's a big whole thing.

They they need to come and start buying some chassis.

Then I get all the emails.

We I know that all of us, we email them back.

Yeah, typically donky.

Now the inquiries go right to Irvin right off the cuff.

There I'm a little bit more easy to deal with.

Well, you just like that for me.

You know, let me let me go ahead and tell you something,

a little secret that you guys might not have figured out.

If you're looking at three different names, Phil, Andrew,

and then you got Irvin, I'm going to roll with dice with Irvin.

That may be he's my man because that's.

A magic Irvin like magic.

Who was the one you got in here?

Who had the six wheeler?

That was I was one. Yeah, it was me.

So you're taking the Playboy bunny dog over the six wheeler.

I think the six wheeler has to be one of the side door.

The period.

That could be the number one spot.

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, when Eddie called me on that,

I was pretty much like, yes, but send me a picture first.

Like, I want to see what it was like.

He came up bad.

Yes, that's that.

That thing's going to be amazing.

Yeah, yeah, really fucking cool.

I just like that it was chopped and then stepped up two times

after the chop. Yeah, I'm just glad we had enough square footage

for it when it was that's just a long truck was huge.

Well, between about the time we finished the chassis,

we had to store the chassis and the truck.

We were tapped on square foot.

Yeah, we had to push a steel order

just because you didn't have any room for it.

So you have 500 that's going out.

That's that's going to be a cool one.

That's a little bitty thing.

It's Jesse at Blue Sky.

Yeah, Blue Sky.

That one we had at the HP Tuners, cars and coffee on display.

No, perhaps a lot of guys asking questions.

That's the one.

But most people look at chassis and they never ask what it's for.

That was the one that was everybody was looking at.

Like, yeah, I am.

Obviously, the motor doesn't go up front.

It's like, what the hell is this?

Yeah, Tony's Tony armies building really cool Porsche.

Yeah, that's going to be cool.

And we're doing another Porsche chassis.

It's in the queue, but a 912 for a week fab down in Texas.

Nice.

A pretty cool one.

Tell you what?

The one.

Is that a target that they sent him?

Yeah.

Jesse's get us at get off his ass on that BMW.

That thing's going to be cool.

Yeah, thanks.

Cool.

I don't know if we could talk about that.

Yeah, but we did.

I don't know where he's at on that.

We built the chassis for it.

So what's your stand at?

What's the I mean off the wall?

The grand damn, the town car.

Yeah.

We're both me.

The the Econoline RS4, I think is one of the.

Oh, just because the fact that it's fucking tough looking.

Where's that thing?

Where's that thing at?

He's local, wasn't he?

So we're in Chicago.

Yeah.

Is it coming along?

I think so.

Why don't you reach out to him tomorrow and give us an update?

You get the RS4 Transam and CUDA builds.

That's yeah.

RS4 Transam is from Kentucky Ballistics.

What?

Yeah, that was my guy.

I think he's selling it.

He's like put it up for auction.

Yeah, it was either bring a trailer.

Did he even do half of the things that he said he was going to do for us

for that discount that we gave him?

No, I don't think so.

That's the time to call him out.

Great show.

He was a good dude.

Great dude.

Yeah.

I mean, he got his neck blown apart.

He blew his neck open.

The story is pretty cool.

I talked to him about it.

I want to we should have him on the podcast.

He'd be a good one.

He needs to make up for all the promises that he didn't keep on the

Transam.

He's supposed to do a race.

He's definitely coming on now.

Oh, yeah, people love that.

They love the little ritt, little jabs.

Scott at Kentucky Ballistics.

Yeah, I get them on here.

What's the other one that I was just going to ask and I got

Oh, the Grand Amp.

What's this?

Where they have a plan for that?

Yeah, it's a I mean, it's going to be wide body.

They're doing like an anodized blue forge line.

Like it looks like a 30th anniversary.

T.A. It's coming up in the schedule here soon, right?

Yeah.

That's like LC four power.

It's going to be some like a Whipple LS for LAD blown.

36 on the Whipple sure has come up a lot on this particular

podcast for Dustin not responding to my email.

Yeah, he didn't respond about coming on the podcast.

Maybe it went to his junk mail.

We'll see.

Yeah.

His Magnuson makes a nice super.

He's not a small dude.

I probably give him a couple more bounce back emails before I just went there.

Hey, in case you missed this.

Um, coming into dealing with the customers, getting the stuff, you know,

getting the knowledge under your belt about the product, continuing to learn,

you know, what it is we do, what we can offer, everything that we've talked about.

What do you think is the is the single greatest thing that you have learned

that you didn't expect on the roadstriers shop side of this industry for you?

Because you've been in this industry for a while.

Broader question for you guys.

Something that's so key to your to your every day or dealing with the customers

or this industry that you had no idea coming into it.

There's just there's a lot of tribal knowledge that you know, you pick up

pretty quick and I've got probably 50 folders in a useful info folder.

Like spec.

It's a lot of files.

RS4 specs.

I don't know how much of the Google drive I'm taking and I apologize.

But the amount of things that just this came up, I need to save this.

And then, you know, moving forward from from that point on, I don't know if

there's a way to like pre train for a lot of this stuff.

It's just like, yeah, there's really not.

I mean, one, you have to learn about the vehicle itself, like trying to learn

about Cadillacs, every single fucking Cadillac that was ever built.

Every one was a one off.

Every one of them is a one off.

I like had like mid year changes, complete chassis changes mid year.

Oh, you've got an early June 73.

And you have that one's a completely different chassis.

17 inch wheelbase.

Jamfons before the point of July 21 and seven eighths.

El Dorado, Seville, I mean, I.

You're about to say it.

What say go ahead and pronounce it.

How you're about to say it.

I'm going to say bro.

Bro.

That's bro.

Bro.

Or you rethink it bro ham.

It's a bro ham.

Bro ham.

It's bro.

Everybody knows it's a bro ham.

What?

Brits.

Everybody.

Brits, right?

All of the south.

That's what you call go down there.

Go down there and call it a and don't call it a bro ham.

And see what happens.

But yeah, you have to learn the car, the vehicle itself, kind of have an

understanding of main thing, unibody, full frame car.

Yeah, we were we have.

Chases of the car.

Yeah, size of the car wheelbase, four door, two door convertible.

Hard top.

What's going to fit in there?

Yeah.

And there's certain things where like the customer is adamant, like four door

and two door are the same.

Like, all right, let's verify wheelbase.

I'll give you some measurements, put on the order customer, verify this, signed

off, like at some point you kind of have to.

That's where the if you're telling me that's what it is and like, we're going

to put it on there.

Yeah, they're like when they say, oh, I can buy that chassis because it's the same.

The two doors the same as the four door.

Yeah.

Are you sure about that?

Yeah.

Oh yeah, I'm sure.

Like if you've already done it, I'll buy that one.

We know where that leads to.

Yeah.

And it's usually never good.

Because it usually is not the same.

So knowing the kind of the knowledge on the car and then the tribal knowledge

on the chassis and how the chassis goes to the car and what you need to do to

the car to install it is important.

And that just takes time because until you sell one and get in deep on one of

those projects, you really don't know, you know, and it could have been eight,

97 years ago where you figured that out and kind of hold on to that.

Yeah.

Yeah, but to segue on to that, a lot of the information that we've gathered

is from the hot riding side.

The fact that we're able to be hands on with our product, not many of our

competitors can say the same.

To give that man a fucking beer.

So the fact that we can, you know, one person's been listening to the podcast.

It's the old style.

It is the old style because that's what we do.

We bring it back old style.

No, you've got, you've got the tribal knowledge.

I know, I got it.

Being serious, you've got the tribal knowledge right behind you to hop out.

You can put somebody on hold and hop out and ask a question.

I see the three of you guys in the hot rod shop regularly.

And it's, you know, you're out there asking questions.

You're right there at probably the same car that that customer is working on.

Talking to a very experienced fabricator who's probably built several of those cars

and we've got a library of them.

Yeah.

The best is when we have that exact car in the shop that we're working on

and they have a question and you can jump out there.

Get it answered.

Take a picture.

Be like, well, actually, here's how it goes.

Here's what you need to do.

And that goes a long way for the customer because they really don't expect you to.

They kind of just want a little bit of guidance on what they should do.

They're like, well, fuck, I don't want to screw this up.

You know, so it's like you give them a little bit and it goes a long way.

And it's great when we can provide that.

We talk knowledge.

I mean, we talked about that sort of in depth.

I don't know how a chassis manufacturer can build chassis's without having put

them under a variety of cars and finish the car, put the car on the road.

It's one thing to build a chassis, build a car and, you know,

hey, I'm a chassis manufacturer.

We built a car.

Do it a hundred times, 200 times, 300 times, like, and you're still learning.

Yeah.

And to have those examples like you guys have, because it's, every car is different.

Every car is a challenge.

It's so beneficial to be able to go out there, even go into our database, go

into our CAD files, talk to the engineering team, see the scan data.

Go back, put the scan on and investigate.

Oh, OK.

Did you forget that one eighth inch?

And well, OK, that body mount kit needs the five a shim right there.

Did you put that in there?

Yeah.

It's handy.

And I'll say, I mean, to compliment you guys, you guys are probably the most

knowledgeable and helpful sales staff that I've ever dealt with.

I mean, I'll call around with for stuff, industry related stuff.

And it is so seldom that I get anybody that picks up the phone that can tell

me anything where they're not just reading it from the web from the website.

You know, it's like, dude, I just read that.

I don't need to hear.

I didn't need to call and waste my time for you to regurgitate the same

thing I just read.

Yeah.

Like it's well, yeah, I it's very, very beneficial for what I take it is for

what Jeremy said.

I my big I'm impressed because past the knowledge side of things is the fact

that all three of you guys will include it is that you give a shit.

I mean, we'll like a well, the floor and a SEMA.

No, but he can't say it's life, but we'll can answer some fucking

chancey questions.

Yeah.

My point was besides the knowledge base, right?

And besides maybe the questions, there's some questions that each and every one

of you that can do better than the next guy that you can come off the hip.

There's some other than you have to go dig or some other than you have to

think back in your mind or go to your files or whatever.

None of that matters of who knows more or anything.

The fact that you give a shit to the customer to get the answer and do and

go the extra mile to make sure that you're taking care of them will include

it.

Will gave a shit about trying to do the floor.

He just couldn't do it.

Right.

He really wanted to do the SEMA floor.

Yeah.

It just turned out he always got the bad ones.

It just no matter how many times we've told a couple of times.

Love will.

Yeah.

That was, you know, he wasn't, he wasn't very good at it.

No.

We think all that one was messed up.

We all are strengths.

We must.

We're hammering all of us.

And that's what you get in the zone.

And we have.

Getting a rhythm.

We actually have some podcast guests coming on here in the next month or so

that were part of putting that stuff together.

Right.

Hammering stuff.

Help us out.

Yeah.

But it was a, there was a massive team, massive roaster shop team, massive

customer team, massive team of guys that were debuting cars that we had just

met 30 seconds prior to and they put the work in.

Jump in.

Who was the, who did the flooring?

Caliber products.

Did the flooring.

Great looking flooring.

So super easy to put together.

Anybody else like doing it in your home garage?

It's just snaps right together.

And it was because you just need a two by four.

Once you got the system and again, we started rolling, right?

And then all of us were kind of like, it was easy to do.

And you start looking at it like, this is a big booth.

Right.

It's the first time we did that booth, big booth.

That first row, we're like, oh, we're going to have this done in 20 minutes.

Yeah.

16 hours later.

It's when that's when you're at the beach and you're like, oh, we could swim to

that sandbar.

And then you're like, yes.

Uh-oh.

That's the best comparison.

Then you're like, we don't have a choice.

But at this point, the only way to get there is to just swim like a motherfucker.

We have to keep going.

We can't turn around.

It's like walking in Vegas where you're like, oh, you're right over there.

I see it.

I'll walk over.

Yeah.

And you, you know, everybody would rotate through and you'd get your little, you

know, groups and your patterns like that.

And then, you know, I remember like, I think me, you were looking that pile.

Like, hey, what's, what's the deal with this pile of thing?

Wheels, like, oh, these are all bad ones.

They came in a bad box.

And there was like the first time it registered.

What do you mean bad ones?

Oh, the clips are broken off the end of them.

So we're going through it.

And then you can see, and then, and then I start paying attention and it's like,

he busts a clip and then what are you doing?

Oh, that's another bad one.

And I'm like, hey, it's bad now.

But you made it bad.

It was, it came out fine and now you made it bad.

So that, so let's say that's Will's pile of pieces he made bad.

Don't say that those are bad parts.

It all worked out.

You give Will a hard time.

He can't even defend himself on here.

After Will resigns on Monday, who are we forwarding the emails to?

Who are we going to tell everybody?

Reach out to Irvin.

Especially for a Will.

It's just what if you can't defend yourself like it's your, yeah,

we're we're main people.

Well, too bad.

So we just, you know, back to what you were saying, though, it is funny because

there we do have like certain weird knowledge on certain things like Andrews

become the Nova guy and the Pontiac guy.

And now the Cadillac guy was a couple.

I'd have the grand am guy, maybe.

A lot about Cadillacs.

I think that comes from like having to work through a problem with the customer.

Right.

And you've got to do such deep dive research to get to the bottom and figure

out what's going on.

Is it a different year?

Is it a split year?

And then you kind of become the pseudo expert in that.

Yeah.

What's the what's the one Achilles heel for you guys on?

Like because I know I've got my everybody's kind of got their thing of like,

oh, I've got this year, this.

And instantly it's like a block of like, oh, shit, I got to Google that.

Like what is that?

Is that this genre?

Is this this genre?

There's always even how many times I've looked it up.

I still have to look it up again.

There's other things that you're like, so you say the year and make, I'm like,

oh, it's that anything.

Fifty sixties GM.

That's not Chevrolet because there's just so many like, yeah, it may be a tri

five, but it's not necessarily all the same except they're nowhere near the same.

And even like Ford's 55 and 56 are same.

But the 57 was a whole new thing.

And you have to remember it's not like a tri five Chevy.

Like this is a different thing.

So mine's Dodge trucks.

Yeah, what I like.

Yeah, you could tell me you can tell me 98 and I had one.

And you could tell me 72.

And it's like, they look like it's like 40 year window where you didn't know if it was.

Is that an old truck or something?

Just like a few years old.

Yeah, I still got to look them up every time.

I still always struggle with the the rear wheelbase and rail extension

on all the like 65 to 72.

Like, yeah, the A by the truck.

You know, it's like, man, I earliest get them late.

So there's so many little and a lot of them aren't even that the manufacturer made

them different. It's just that we move them around to be right.

Like you take like 67 GTO, for example, it's the same damn wheelbase as a

chivalre, but you lower that car and it looks like it horrible.

Where the wheel placement is.

So we took an inch and a quarter.

Yeah, we tweak the rail, tweak the wheelbase and they look tits.

But it's it's hard to granted engineering knows it all.

Sales staff, probably at this point knows it better than I do.

But it's always got to go back to the drawing board on that one or run it upstairs.

That's when it's always fun to like it's rare.

But then you do have.

There's sometimes there's a the crate arrives and there's a measure and take

prior to like getting to building the car, right?

You know, and that's when it comes into the discussion of like.

If you're going off of your stock chassis, like there's some things.

Oh, you want this thing to be cool?

Yeah, this thing's gonna be cool.

Let's start. Let's start hanging sheet metal.

Let's start putting the body on and start getting the motor in.

Let's start weighting it.

Let's start putting the wheels and tires to start getting this thing.

Let's start rocking and rolling and building the car, right?

The apples to apples comparison to a stock car

to then them building it on our chassis is always a tough one.

Like we're dealing with that with a customer.

It's not a problem. It's just where is the engine in relation to the factory?

Small block to the firewall, but I'm putting an L.S. in it.

And I want it to be in the exact same position because I'm going through

and I'm doing all the metal work now.

Well, let me tell you right now that that's not that's not the best approach

to building this car.

Or like steering shaft.

I feel like that's a pretty often like,

OK, what are you guys doing for this?

My wife bought zero bras before she got her tits done.

She only bought the bras after she got her tits done.

Right. There's no possible way to be like, hey, Doc.

And I would think, yeah, I think I'm following that.

It's a perfect comparison.

You're going to call the doctor and be like, I know you tell me this many CCs,

but exactly what is that going to do?

How's that going to feel?

Because I really want to buy my bras now, right?

So wait until you get those things and then and then figure out the over the

shoulder boulder holders that you need for.

I get it now. It took a second.

Yeah. Remember that one, guys.

When you use that and tell me that doesn't make perfect sense.

This is you know what this is going to end up with?

This is going to be one of those emails that's forwarded.

That's going to be like, I need to speak to management or ownership.

And it's going to say the sales guy told me, yeah, wait till you get your fucking

tits done until you order your like who's I didn't say saying that to the customer.

It was in an analogy.

You know what I'm saying.

Analogy.

Well, I'm going to do it.

It doesn't make sense to you.

It does. It does make sense.

You don't you get the thing to go around the thing.

A lot of people would use the cart before the horse.

That's like the common.

An old man would.

You're an old man.

And we're doing a podcast.

Be funny. So you come up with funny things.

Stay funny stuff.

I'm going to get you.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

Fucking speechless stuff.

And all the fucking things.

That's the thing that got everybody speechless.

Yeah, put the tits before the cart.

I get it.

You can't you can't figure out what sack them things.

Son of all.

Yeah, tits on a bowl.

If you've ever seen a tits on a bowl.

Oh, you want to see a butcher's ass and how much meat he has.

But yeah, some of the questions, you know, up front is them trying to figure out

how to build the car before they even.

Yeah.

That's probably the biggest mistake in building.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's it's building the better analogy, building the house before the foundation.

Oh, that may I bet people are dying laughing here and that.

People are useful.

Like before you get a picture that.

Yeah, 100 percent get it.

It is all kinds of ways to say it.

Yeah.

There is times that you can help somebody out, right?

And it's there's builders where it's like, hey, I know this thing is an engineering,

you know, or I know you're building that blah, blah.

Can I just get this measurement to this measurement?

Blah, blah, because I'm going to do this.

I know I'm not going to build and you can do that.

That's the thing that is great.

I just did that fucking, you know, today on stuff that's I'm like, hey,

you know, I know I'm I'm just wanting to know where to cut this part.

I'm going to have these cut out.

I'm going to have this setting on the thing.

I'm just trying to work ahead.

Right. I'm getting to sing in two weeks.

You're not going to paint it right now.

Yeah.

Give me a picture.

You're not going to paint it, right?

Right. Yeah.

And it's again, it's just there is not a one size fits all.

It's have the conversation.

You're like, the first question always is mean you talk about this all the time

with a with a bunch of good customers.

You know, it's you're asking me a question.

I'm going to ask you back a question is tell me the problem you're trying to solve.

Yeah.

Because the information you gave me could take us

a couple of weeks to get back to.

If you just tell me the problem you're trying to solve,

what is the problem you're having or what are you trying to prevent?

I dropped the car off the lift and it's bent.

I need to know some measurements because it's been.

You're right.

The door will not shut the same ever again.

It does not.

Yes.

If that's the question you're asking, I'm going to tell you now.

No, but you know what I'm saying, like there's those.

There's those times like, all right, OK, this is fucked up.

I'm trying to think of the questions that

builders or customers ask that always kind of throw you for a curveball.

We touch on the ordering your wheels before.

I was going to say backspace.

Yes, that's a difficult one.

That is a tough one.

We struggle with it, you know, still to this day,

backspace is such a challenge with how tight you're trying to package things

and how different every single car is.

You want to another analogy?

Yeah, I'm not trying to be stupid.

Go ahead.

This isn't this is this is a great way of you just listen for a second.

You can go.

Yeah, sometimes sometimes your left tits a little smaller than your right tip.

You can go, especially when you heal properly.

You can go to a couple of different men's

warehouses, men's clothing, fitters, men's suit places, right?

And get a tuxedo or a suit.

You're speaking from our experience, our experience, right?

That will fit you to go to said event.

Yeah, it'll fit you.

It'll go on.

You'd be like, oh, 42 long, 42 regular.

Or you get this, this much inseam.

These are our are our dress pants in that size.

Right.

They'll fit you.

Yeah, no problem.

Then you can have a custom tailored suit that is all the measurements completely

made to you, right?

They both fit.

Yeah, let's face it.

One looks way better.

You can get a backspace that would just about work on most every application

because you're going to shade it to this side on the inside.

You're going to shade it to this side and be like, yeah, that thing will fit.

That wheel will clear and you can get a 295 on the back of the thing.

Now you want to show up looking boss, right?

That's what kids used to say that.

And back in the fucking 50s.

Right.

And and you have, you know, 345 with the perfect backspace and you're nailing it by

an eighth of an inch on this side, you're nailing it by an eighth of an inch on this

side, you get full articulation and you pull into Columbus.

Good guys looking awesome.

Then that takes the custom tailoring.

And with that takes the measurement all the left and right, front and back after

everything's done.

So that's the analogy of like, yes, you can be like, we have done 15

Camaros in the past.

We have 11 different backspaces that we've done, right?

And you can land right in the middle and those wheels will work.

What I suggest doing that to look your best, probably not.

It's best to get those measurements.

So what I'm hearing Josh is clean.

What I'm hearing, Josh, is that you should take your wheel and measurements

after it's done.

Best to do.

Okay.

It's not it's not a necessity.

If somebody didn't have the patience to listen to the 45 minute explanation.

Yes.

Okay.

I'm hoping that the viewers that just come on and do a 10 minute podcast and

just read out.

This is what you do.

Another thing you should do is measure your wheels and tires first.

All right.

Appreciate it.

See you again next week.

I'll be honest though, like when I'm when I'm fielding a phone call asking about

that question and then I give them the explanation on why they should wait.

Yeah.

They just give us they give us a hard time.

I mean, I just gave you two great fucking analogies.

You did.

Like those two great ones.

The the the titty ones.

Well, let me get that's a good one.

Use another example.

There like right now we've got a pretty high end.

67 spec Camaro build and you know, nothing.

Nothing radically has been changed on the body.

It's got mini tubs.

You know, we cleaned up the wheel lips and stuff just to make sure we gave

ourselves every fighting chance of packaging as big of a tire as we could.

But nothing's done to like the outer wheel houses on it.

It's got our widened front tubs.

Yeah, John, you know, I tasked John with it knowing this is something

it sort of takes some experience.

You got to be really thorough with measuring.

You got to usually pull the springs off your shocks or just down the shock out

after I bottom it out, turn it left to right.

I mean, he's probably got a good half days labor in fitting wheels that we

know fit first gen Camaros and altering that backspace a little bit for this

particular car.

And that's and you said it like, you know, go back historically and look at a

dozen first gen Camaros.

I don't think two of them have had the same space or wheel width or test size.

Every single one is I mean, we've had ones that differ by an inch.

Right.

We had a bone stock original survivor Nova that the quarter panel on one side was

was it like three quarters of an inch or an inch wider than the other?

Yeah, but we've made the error by going ahead, you know, measure off the one

side and thinking you're safe because it's a clean car.

And then find out the hard way that you should probably measure both sides.

And those are great examples that we have to the customer.

But sometimes I think the hard part is the guy who's building in his garage

doesn't have the lift to lift it up, you know, to be able to get in there.

He's just like, fuck, I can't figure this out.

Like, I know, you know, I need I need some by the by the CC tech tool.

Yeah, right.

That's a plug for them again.

We'll send them a fucking bill after this.

Not a big deal.

We've done it before.

We'll do it again.

Right.

We're gonna get paid on any of those.

The what?

Why were plug in Mike Keller, Big Creek Restoration?

He's got one too.

Got a nice tool.

I said, I like that one's real good.

Like that one's got a nice.

That one's very advanced fabrication.

Advanced fabrication.

His wheel.

Femint tool.

Mike Keller Creek Restoration restoration.

Right.

He's working on that Pantera.

Can we do like a link?

Pantera.

Link and a link.

Link and a pay for the link, dude.

Come on.

Now, what do you think we're just here for charity?

I've given so many animal and animal analogies today, and they're just

giving those away.

I thought we were just gonna help my builder at Big Creek.

He's got a great one.

And you can buy by your wheel and tire from Tyra.

If you don't mount it in balance, if you don't mount it, you can send it back.

Right.

Get that wheel fitment tool.

Tire is a good starting point.

Grab that tire that you're wanting to go.

Play around with that and start fitting it.

It's everybody looks at it as like, oh, shit, that's a thing that I don't want to do.

That's a it's a fun thing.

Yeah.

Right.

It's part of the build to really dial that thing in.

Once you get the wheel, you're so get it as soon as you start, you soon as you

mount the body and you get everything done.

Do that first.

While you're waiting on the wheels to get built, you've got so many other things

to be doing, right?

So many other things to be doing.

Even like one video link that we'll send occasionally, Jeremy Bumpas did a really

good YouTube video.

Hot Rod Shop Mississippi.

Yeah.

Just measuring with like making your own tool.

So for like the garage builder, he calls it a brohamb to guarantee.

He calls it a brohamb.

Yeah.

Like we have one of those like tribal knowledge is again, we've got emails we've

sent that you can come up a straight edge to the hub and like there's

means and there's ways to do it.

But yeah, everybody wants to do the effort.

It's it's hard.

It's also hard to comprehend.

Like think about it.

It's like up and down moving and clearances.

Yeah.

I think the biggest thing customers like I've had a few that get mad and like.

I don't want to give you the measurement that you're going to order $7,000 of the

wheels that aren't going to fit.

And then you're going to call me screaming that the number I gave you off

the Camaro that we built doesn't match your Camaro.

Yeah.

And the other trouble with that is the wheel companies, if you follow their sort

of order form of the measure to this obstruction, measure that obstruction, I

don't believe that you can really get to proper wheelback space based on that.

Yeah.

It's the first thing it's going to hit into.

Right.

Yeah.

It's kind of a weird thing.

They're also shading.

They'll take that and coming off of it too.

They're putting in exactly.

Really, you buy the tire, put the tire on, get the backspace tool, or even if you

have the tire, at least you're one step closer because you know, tire rack, I

spend more time on tire rack than lobster to, you know, it.

What?

I thought we.

I thought we had a fun.

I thought we were just.

The hypocrisy is what's fucking amazing.

Tire rack is like, I mean, it is a great.

The other one.

Oh, the fucking bull, complete bull shit.

Where you going?

No.

Tire rack is a amazing resource of section, section with tread with diameter, all

that kind of stuff.

Yep.

Yeah.

Use all that.

Yeah.

Where were you going?

I would have compared that to make master car catalog, maybe.

Which one do you spend more time on?

Why don't you use the McMaster car catalog?

I don't know.

I go on the website.

Yeah.

That's what he meant.

That's what I said.

It's a McMaster car.

That's it.

I spent more time.

That's what I said on tire rack than McMaster car dot com.

Oh, I'd trust an elliot fixing that one for you.

Absolutely.

He's gonna edit that out.

But.

Yeah, the point being, use that.

It's a great resource.

Get the, you know, intersection with, get your tread with.

Because I mean, again, back to the very beginning of what it is you're trying

to build, right?

There's there's.

Everybody knows this is probably gonna come across a little weird, right?

A little.

Not at this point.

No, it's.

It's far out there.

Back to what you're trying to build, right?

Because if it's like, oh, I'm debuting this at Sloan occur, I'm doing this kind

of stuff.

Let's face it, you put that wheel and tire on there, right?

In the tire, fitment tool.

And full compression, full lock.

You're probably going to be a little more okay with that thing touching the

frame rail, right?

At a certain point to be able to get that wheel or that tire, a certain

fitment.

And then it's like, oh, this might the third one.

I'm building this for the good guys road tour or whatever it is next year.

We're doing this.

You're probably going to do a wheel and tire fitment for that.

This can be a little less aggressive.

Then going for street machine of the year, going for something like that.

So fitment is subjective, right?

It is.

Like you can push the envelopes.

I mean, how many, how when it's been a SEMA build or a street machine of the

year build or something like that, how aggressive and finally cutting the needle

where you're like, hmm, yeah, that would probably clear.

You know what?

This is an bare metal.

So we could probably just like, like scoot that little lip out just a little bit or

roll that fender or cut that part or change this.

There's concessions you make versus we say, you know what?

This is four and a half inch back spacing on a 10 inch wheel.

Right?

That's the best thing to do.

And then you get it on there and you show up to a show next to a guy that's

got a road, the same exact roadster shop chassis.

And, you know, his balls will hang in a little deeper, right?

And he's a little more puffed up.

He's a little more bulldog.

And you're like, well, what, oh, you got 12.

You got 12.

You got a little more bulldog and you're like, well, what, oh, you got 12s on

the back of the thing with a, you know, a four inch backspace.

He's like, oh, yeah, I just measured him and did this.

Like it's, you don't want that.

Okay.

Yeah, you're right.

I went too far.

I went way too far.

Way too far.

The one thing I've noticed is you could have said like, you know, I don't know.

Roll it like, why don't you make a McMaster car reference?

Balls.

Yeah.

So, uh, does that make sense?

What I noticed is a lot of customers measure for wheels and tires at full bump.

So they have it at extreme full extension.

No, full bump.

So, but in reality, you're only going to be at full bump a small percentage of the

time, right?

Right.

So I guess that's clear the air.

When should you measure for your back spacing at right stance front, front,

specifically talking about front.

Yeah.

Upfront, there's really, there's almost no classic car that you're going to be able

to fully compress and fully turn or even get probably 50% of your

turn angle.

And you don't really see that.

I mean, you got to sort of picture what, when that car is turning right, that

car's, you know, it's leaning left, right?

Like you've got to, it's not a BMW.

It's not a Porsche.

They're not the wheel openings aren't designed to perfectly frame that tire.

You've got to fudge it just a little bit, right?

So usually what I'll bump that thing, you know, maybe about a half inch or three

quarters of compression at the coil over upfront and start cycling it through and

find where your obstruction is.

And you just, you kind of got to cheat it.

And honestly, like by the book, take, take our backspace that look through the

front backspace is probably more, it's probably a closer.

Group, if you looked at it versus rear backspace across first gen

Camaro's that we've built, take all those front backspaces.

There's not a single one of those that you can bottom that front out and turn it

full lock, probably even half lock.

I don't have a single first gen Camaro that I've rubbed the front tires on and

you're, you're autocrossing them.

You're pushing those cars.

Oh, if you ever get into the situation where you're fully compressed and fully

locked, the fact that it hits the inner fenders is the least of your concerns.

And then you're in a bad way.

Full compression.

You've also got a Jones bumper on the suspension that's going to stop the

shock from fully compressing on the rear.

Different story.

You know, the rear, especially on a nine inch, I do bottom them out.

You know, I'll bottom them out full compression on the coil over.

And then I'll, I'll usually find my obstruction because there's typically

like a bead or something on an outer wheelhouse that might make the difference

of like a half inch or three quarters.

What happens that bead?

It gets modified or a wheel lip or especially on an independent rear, you

gain some wheelbase and compression on an independent rear because of the

anti squad.

So that wheelbase is going to sort of shift back.

Sometimes it's a matter of, that's why it's good to establish that during the

build process, because it might mean clipping a wheel lip and just sort of

shaving it like a quarter inch and it's going to buy you that extra clearance

that you need.

You're not even getting to the spot wheels at that point.

Right.

Just cleaning that double edge up.

Yeah.

Or it's a wheel opening molding, like a, you know, just a cheap ass stamped wheel

opening molding that's hanging over the wheel lip too far.

You know, trim it.

Don't let that be the thing that forces you into sucking that wheel in and make

it look like a Winnebago, you know.

Yeah.

The other one we get too is a lot of people, they put the car up on a lift and

they have it at full droop.

You can fit anything.

Yeah.

Well, and then they, they see that there's maybe some interference.

Like the AR might just barely touch the coil.

Right.

And it's, we got a, we got a problem here.

Right.

It's like, well, are you planning on jumping this thing?

Oh, dude, if you're jumping it, you're right.

We got, we got a problem.

We got problems.

Yeah, we got, let's do, we got a jump kit that we can send you.

And then they're like, oh yeah, you're right.

Oh yeah.

It's a jump kit.

So a lot of that stuff comes up a lot.

It's just the nature of building the car and kind of questioning what they're

seeing and staring them in the right direction.

Sure.

I gotta take a pee break.

Yeah.

I'm glad you pulled the trigger first.

Did you?

I think it's that Mallort's introducing these old styles into this program.

The beer does it.

Hmm.

We line up the Jebson's Mallort.

I'm not too.

No, dude.

I don't know.

I feel like we should.

I don't think it would be that big of a deal now.

Yeah.

Or I can't.

But it's the brown to already put the glasses in the sink.

You're welcome to.

Hey, just take a swing from the bottle.

Oh, look at the branding.

Here goes our old style sponsorship.

We got more of these old stars.

There is.

Well, you guys go ahead.

I'll just drink.

You got drinking this.

Why not vote?

Um, so you're going to shoot that or what?

Kind of sounds like getting a little pressure into doing it.

Irvin will do one.

If that's what it sounds like.

Irvin will do one band, one sound sales team.

This is how we do it.

So get it.

And we are back.

We are back.

11 compliment.

Can't let one go by himself.

Sales team sticks together.

That's right.

One compliment I'd like to give the three of you guys that are in this room right

here, the past that did well.

Andrew and Josh afterwards from the.

And it.

Uh, right now.

It's really floral.

Yeah.

Botanic serious.

He's the most serious question.

Am I going to catch that after drinking after you?

Yeah, my mustache is not going to turn into that.

Is it?

It may.

You know, that's a serious.

Deal breaker for me.

I think if you drink enough, my Lord, you're like a Tom Selleck mustache.

Yeah.

You think that's what Spencer's been doing?

Oh yeah, that'll put some hair on your chest.

Get after it.

I have enough.

Yeah.

Don't be a pussy.

We're all here together.

Yeah.

This makes you feel good.

Cologne.

It's like Stetson.

That's like what it not a con.

That's what I would imagine taking a swig of your dad's old Stetson taste like.

I'd wager Stetson taste better.

How about that?

What was that?

It's the after you've got it still in my bar downstairs.

The brand.

You got to get one for where we're at.

No, there's a brand here.

This is it.

We're going to give a negative.

She showed out.

I think it's called shooter.

Now what's the name of the brand?

It's all over my Instagram still to this day.

I don't know.

It's it's quite a pungent.

Google that while I give them a compliment.

Go ahead.

Give me a couple.

We have been at a lot of shows.

Right.

We're going to talk about some shows here coming up.

We've been a lot of shows and this is specifically for the three of you in this room.

I don't want anybody else that's listening to think that it might be directed at them.

It's only for you three.

You guys, we've been at some shows.

We've done a lot of drinking, right?

I've seen all of you guys over served.

I've never seen any of you guys over served and act a fool.

You've done a very good fucking job.

Of again, I preface that with I'm not saying that is for other people that are not in this room.

That is only experienced them or in particular that comes to mind.

There's a couple of people I can tell you when you know they've been over served.

Yeah, that work for us.

But no, you guys have always done a great fucking job.

It is a not saying it's a it's a thing everybody should strive to be right.

Probably not a great thing.

But in this thing either in this industry.

It is something it is something to be proud of because

we've all seen the ones that have been over served.

All right. And it is it's a.

It's a skill in and of itself to hang and.

Yeah, that's the thing at the end of the day.

I think, Phil, you always say it best.

200 dollar cooler full of beer is the best marketing on the planet.

And you know, after the show is when you look around when a good guy show ends

a fifty dollar cooler of non alcoholic beer is not exactly the best.

Is that Brian? No, is this.

He we were down in a.

You wouldn't have known had I not.

And I'm drinking this.

I don't he was fucking horrible.

No, it was a beer.

It was an IPA.

You got this.

The only thing in there is to grab the athletic ones.

Yeah.

I wasn't looking at what we got.

This isn't that great.

It is. So you're not drinking alcohol anymore.

I go to know I'm drinking a beer.

Yeah, you know, I'm not alcoholic.

Getting yelled at for not having enough alcohol.

Yeah, yeah, that's a different.

That's why we that's why we do this.

That's why we do this.

But no, really, it's sometimes you look around the shows and everyone closes up

and is quick to get out of there to go to dinner and then not, you know, go to bed.

I give I give us a lot of props for hanging around,

hanging out with the builders, hanging out with the cost.

The best is when the builder brings over the customer and they get

interact with us, the other builders in the industry.

Everyone hangs out. We have a good time.

It's supposed to be fun.

And that's what it's all about.

I think that's the best thing about this industry is hanging out with

it is our peers and having a good time, you know, making fun of each other.

But also, you know, we're all in this together at the same time.

You know, you're in the click.

Yeah, you know, you're in the circle.

Not giving shit or taking it.

And, you know, but at the end of the day.

Yeah, I just see a lot of other vendors.

They wrap up and they get out of there.

Yeah. And it's like, we hang out.

We hang out and have a good time.

For 59 they're already wrapped up and they're they're out the door.

Don't give away all the secrets.

Yeah, I know, but they're still not going to be as cool as us.

Look at the.

I feel like we truly enjoy just hanging out.

Yeah, I mean, that's half the fun of it.

Well, you've got your everything is authentic.

Yes. Yeah.

I can't think that you can't reproduce it.

When you've got your local friends and then you've got your

I'm at a car show friends and it's good to spend time with everyone.

So, yeah, you're not just doing it to sell.

So you're doing it because you like the issue I see is

we need to move greening closer at Columbus

because we end up for all being buddies.

We end up in division.

Yeah, it's a device.

We can make that request right now on the air.

You've got. Yeah, you've got dad over there, you know, with a

world famous cooler in the back.

Anybody know his actual name?

Jeff, but it's dad.

And it's, you know, that's an attraction in itself.

And so can we make a request on air?

We already did a huge good guys plug, right?

Close that gap.

Good guys is a is a great sponsor for the podcast, right?

Great partner in business.

We're asking we need we need greening and Rocha shop to be closer at Columbus

from strictly from a beer drinking standpoint.

Right. I feel like greening has a kind of an island over there.

Is there a spot next to him?

Do we make him come to?

No, they come to.

Yeah, they've pushed over to the other side of the main building,

the inside vendors there.

The other side work. Yeah. Yeah.

Over yonder.

But they needed we needed.

Yeah, we're like a nucleus.

We need to suck them in.

Yeah.

But you talked about this earlier and it's.

The guys that are kind of afraid to call because they don't know anyone here,

right? They don't have a relationship, but a builder brings their customer over,

introduces them.

You have a beer to hang out.

We have a good time.

Yeah, you build a relationship.

And the guys like, oh, it's not that big of a deal.

You know, we can call these guys and get some questions answered.

And yeah, and it's it's it's a double edged sword because like,

especially when you it's after hours, right?

You have that larger crowd, right?

And there's a bunch of people there.

It makes it even a little bit more difficult for, you know,

builders like walk in, you know?

Yeah.

And I think this is like time to say, like just walk in like.

And if you get made fun of, like just know instantly you're in, right?

What?

It's coming.

It's coming from a good place.

Except except except from a good place.

Except Jeremy at Tray five.

That doesn't mean he's in.

When we make fun of him, we mean everything that we say about him.

We got a paywall for Jeremy at Tray five.

Yeah.

But yeah, or maybe we just like it'd be best to just stay away.

Not even.

He doesn't listen to this.

So like, you know, somebody does.

You're going to tag him now.

Jeremy from Tray five.

He's he's a handful.

If you don't know him, they took too much fucking money from me at

at Barrett Jackson.

So he's on my shit list.

Was that Jeremy or James?

Rolling, right?

James.

But I think they're in it together.

Yeah, yeah.

You can only roll my dice.

Oh, that's yeah.

Yeah, I'll do that.

Yeah.

Fuck.

Oh my god, you won the first two rounds.

Oh, you were playing dice.

Yeah.

Beginners luck.

Oh, fuck.

Yeah, I see how that was that's going.

I hustled.

Yeah, I did.

I got hustled.

Well, to Jeremy, he ended up pulling the trigger on another chassis.

So he's still a good guy to me.

Hey, that's that's pretty good for a guy.

Ellie, I just want to clean that one up a little bit.

No, Jeremy wants to live right there in that space.

Shit, we could talk shit about it.

He wants to live right there.

I mean, for a guy who just bought a chassis that also

is co-owner of another chassis company, you know,

I mean, that's good for him.

Is that a win for us?

I think so.

I don't know.

We can leave that to be determined.

Boy, these are great canned koozies.

You're crawfishin after all.

Really?

Lobster tube's good.

How much Jeremy trade five?

Oh my god.

That's careful.

I just don't want to deal with the repercussions,

to be honest with you, at the next show.

He's a big dude.

Shin kicker.

No, I'll probably deal with it.

You know, he'll come find me.

He can talk shit, but he can take it too.

He's all right.

Yeah, he's fine.

He knows it.

He's all good fun, Jer.

100%.

We're going into before we get into standard questions,

we're going to get into some writing.

We still got, at least the night is young.

Oh, this is, I said before we get into standard questions,

right?

Now that we're starting these RS staff podcasts, right?

There's some RS staff standard questions.

And if we don't like the answers, full transparency,

if we don't like the answers, then we will cut out the answers,

right?

But we'll at least ask the question around the horn,

around the room, right?

What's your most favorite thing about working at the Roadster

Shop and the most difficult thing?

Is this a pre-standard question question?

Yeah, when it's an RS staff, it's a pre-standard, standard,

pre-standard question.

I'm less confused now, for sure.

Are we answering now?

Now you go.

Now we talk.

Are you giving time to prepare?

Josh, you're going to drop an analogy real quick.

This is time to prepare.

An analogy, yeah.

The question hasn't been asked.

It's just been stated to prepare for the question.

No, I asked it.

I just asked it.

Got it.

What was the second question?

Well, Lord, it was an awesome idea.

What was the question?

So we're going?

Yes.

Answer time?

Does anybody remember?

Favorite thing about working at the Roadster Shop?

Yeah, or the most and the most difficult.

It's two answers.

Three people, two answers, six questions.

And if you say you're dealing with my ideas,

and you're fucking fired.

Well, I think you got to think about the perspective

of where it's coming from.

The sales team's perspective is probably different from whatever

the fab guy said, which probably saw it.

It just doesn't mean it.

Which probably saw it.

But I think for us, the answer to both questions

is dealing with the customer, and not in a bad way.

I think what we alluded to earlier,

we represent the Roadster Shop.

We're kind of the face.

We're out there.

We represent the good, the bad, the awesome, the ugly.

Not you, though.

You're not ugly.

He just represents the good.

He's just a little bit less good looking than that.

What I mean by that is we build a bad ass car.

The sales team has very little nothing to do with that.

It's the whole fab shop, engineering department,

the chassis guys.

Everyone else that's involved in that.

But it goes to a show.

People come up and they're like, this car is bad ass.

How'd you do this?

How'd you do that?

And the sales guys are there to answer those questions.

Well, it was all easy.

Super simple.

But it's hard because you want to give the guys that aren't

there all the credit to.

So you want to represent the engineers well.

You want to represent the chassis guys well.

You want to represent the creating department,

all that stuff.

And I think that can be challenging sometimes

because you feel like we're the sales guys.

We do the chassis stuff.

But we're representing the brand and the car that's out there

that a lot of guys worked really fucking hard on.

So and then on the flip side, that's also the good thing,

too, is we get to go out there and represent the brand

and be there for the bad ass car that got unveiled.

We get to go to SEMA.

That's a lot of work.

But we get to be there when the glitz and glamour happens.

And not everyone in the shop gets to go

because that's you can't bring everyone.

But the best political and not political.

And that's why he's the sales manager.

And now you go.

Before we move on, that's an interesting thing

you touched on there.

And I think what I would say to that

is that I think the guys in the shop look to you guys.

They sort of like to pass the torch, so to speak.

They respect you guys.

They like you guys.

They appreciate you guys.

And that's sort of sometimes that's

where their job stops and your job starts.

And it's a team.

So 100%.

That's where it gets handed off.

They put the work in.

Like, given the credit, when you're talking to that customer,

you can let that customer know who had a hand in that, who

did it.

But it's sort of like, now it's in your hands.

Like, that's your department.

They'll get out there.

There's certain shows that they get the opportunity

to sort of be there with the car that they created.

But you guys are the face of the company.

I mean, I even look at you that way.

There's things that I look to you guys

to fill you do a fucking phenomenal job of immediate stuff.

Like, you're the guy.

And you do more of it.

But it gets passed.

The torch is passed to you.

I want to see less Jeff Schwartz on my fucking Facebook.

And Instagram and more Phil Splut.

So that's fine.

What's that?

No problem with that.

What's the problem?

Yeah, I don't have any issues with that.

That's just a fucking good thing.

Try five.

Oh, tread lightly.

Jeff Schwartz is Jeff.

Jeff, by the fucking chassis?

Yeah, I said one by the car.

To your customer?

On the flip side of it.

It's a little bit of a nod.

He's doing a good job at this fucking.

No.

I want, again, to piggyback off of what Jeremy said,

I hope you guys realize how big of a deal that is to,

as the company's grown, and the size of what we have to do,

the amount of places we have to be at the same time,

the trust and the comfortability to be able to be like,

oh yeah, they got it.

And being in the face.

Because it didn't used to be that way.

There was a time far past when it should have been let go.

It couldn't be let go because of the trust not being there.

Far past when it should have been.

There's a lot of trust to be like,

you're representing the company in the right light.

Yeah, we treat the reputation as us.

It's what we're putting forward.

And it's something very hard to let go and make sure

the questions are being answered correctly

and the customers are being treated the right way.

So to be able to have that release

and the right people in the place, it goes a long way.

It's a compliment to you guys.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, it's a big compliment.

Especially when you dress the right way.

We just get this thing, this face shaved over here.

We'll be fucking batting a thousand.

Another compliment.

He does not like that.

Anybody's listening at home, you can tell his face.

Ellie is going to zoom in.

Yeah, he's the.

This is 230 something episodes of everybody

kind of being lighthearted.

And then this is the one that he does not like that joke.

Does not like it.

Let's take the Uggs and the cardigan out of the mix.

Go to see me.

Go to a good guy's show.

Oh, he brings it.

Fucking sure he brings it.

He looks sharp.

He's always got the fucking foot wears on fucking point.

The drip, as they say, looks good.

Not boss looks good.

Yeah, I can do that.

It's coming back.

Sure.

You guys haven't seen Pitbull or.

Oh, yeah, I've seen it with the people.

Shaved head and give us a little.

Give us a little dolly.

Little dolly.

Hey, are those legit prescription

or is that a clear lens and just it's they are legit prescription?

All right.

Yeah, no, no.

It's always about fashion.

Yes, better than street clothes.

No, no.

That's as fresh as it gets.

He's a he's a rapper on the side.

I did like the borderline Tupac.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, the fucking matching Jordans that matched the can

sweatsuit, it's it's pretty bad ass, to be honest.

Irvin, you same question.

Most favorite thing and the most difficult thing.

The most favorite thing is the fact that we are helping build.

Our customers dream car, dream truck,

there, everything that they've always wanted to do in a build.

We're helping them achieve that and we're doing it to a standard

that is it's elite.

It's above everything that everybody else is doing.

And to be a part of that, to help them achieve that goal.

That is the most rewarding part because let's face it, everybody

that's in this industry at one point, they were building model kit cars.

Right. The ones that you get at in a home depot, ace hardware,

you know, you you name it and you you you get that little spray gun.

Then you start custom painting it.

Here we're doing it on one of one scale and helping these guys get there.

That that's the biggest biggest thing for me.

Now, contrary to belief, I don't wake up every day trying to

piss on somebody's day and not get them answers.

You know, who thinks that?

Yeah, you know, I mean, based on some Google reviews, it's like

take my statement about somebody being over served.

I can't read. I feel like you can't read that stuff.

And everybody makes a mistake.

I think Jeremy would at Tray-Fi would give you a pretty good review.

Oh, I hope.

I hope so.

No, but, you know, I try to we all try to help everybody out.

Because we know what they're investing in and what they're doing.

You know, we're we're legitimately trying to get them answers

in a timely fashion, trying to help them out.

Sometimes it takes a little longer to get the answers, but we are working on it.

Also, yes, some of the answers are more it's more complex, right?

Exactly. But there's there's no scenario

where those don't get ran right up the totem pole in the show.

Yeah, they come to Phil, me, Josh,

they come to Josh, me, Phil, me.

Like we all collectively chase the answer to some of the complex

exactly questions and, you know, they're they run through engineering

and everybody's everybody's vested in getting that customer

the right answer and getting it sorted out. Right.

I think a lot of that, too, on the on possibly

some of if there is any frustration, some of the delay

or some of the is our own doing because from the very get go, we train

one of the main tenants or principles, something we always talk about, right?

Relationship number one.

The other thing is because of that relationship, you cannot bullshit. Right.

If you don't know the answer, shut your fucking mouth.

Yes. Just say, I don't know the answer.

I'm going to go get the information, right?

And a lot of that comes with that kind of training

and that pounding in the head of you guys.

Well, I don't I'm not going to say anything until I get the right answer.

Right. So it's self inflicted when it's like, well, we were all too familiar.

We've been in this industry too long.

We fought too many battles and been met with the industry standard of never seen that before.

Yeah. First time. Oh my God.

They're really that's never never seen that before.

Right. And I don't think that's that's not now.

There is times we've dealt with stuff where we really have never seen that before.

But yes, that's that's not our our go to that's not protocol here is to

the answer that you need might take a little longer because we're getting even answer.

And you are I mean, all you guys, everybody is trying to gather the information.

We've all been a part of those detective searches, right?

And it's not just the other side to of, oh, send me a picture of this

and I need to inspect it.

You don't want to make that guy jump through that stuff.

You instantly you're going to take that information, right?

And there we all have resources, significantly more resources now than we had

even, you know, three years ago, right, where it's.

Boom, shipping photos, original chassis sales order, engineering drawings, blue.

Now I've got all this information.

Original chassis was ordered with it.

Some of that stuff you can find the problem.

Well, of course, the, you know, W motor won't fit, right?

You ordered it for an L.S. Right.

Let's we can get you some motor mounts for that.

Oh, yeah, no problem.

I forgot about that.

We were going to do that.

But then there's gathering information, right?

That take take some time.

It takes some digging stuff and then finding out, hey, this is what's going on.

Sometimes you do need to reach out and send me a picture of what it is that you're

seeing, right, or what you're dealing with.

You're saying that, you know, the body doesn't fit or whatever it is.

And it's just us rare.

But when it comes time, you know, I guess some we've done such a great job

of giving the information to the customer.

Like you said, the customer, uh, customer service that, oh, boom, you got to do this

way, this way.

When you don't get the instant answer, even an hour seems like, oh, you've

forgotten about me.

I need this answer right now.

It's on the lift.

I'm trying to do this stuff, right?

But you're trying to do your job and go through the proper channels, gather all the

information.

And again, I peek behind the curtain, self-inflicted.

The worst thing you can do is you come to one of us and be like, Hey, customers

got a problem.

Motor mount doesn't work.

What chassis is it?

Uh, hold on a minute.

Let me go back and get it.

We've told bring the information.

It's this chassis job number.

It was ordered on this.

It was ordered with this.

It was shipped on this.

This is the chassis pictures so we can try to get as much information as possible

to try to get the fastest answer as possible.

Tacking has become probably the biggest portion of our job, you know, outside of

sales is, is tacking the customer questions and a picture goes a long way.

I mean, you can get a picture.

You can really be, Hey, you got the mounts on backwards.

There is a lot of our, yeah, like response initially and not trying to kick it down

the road is just give me pictures of what you're dealing with.

Here's my email.

Even if I'm not the sales guy, I'll loop, we'll loop, urban and we'll see what's

going on here.

Cause sometimes it's just like, wow, they did something very wrong here.

Where do you think, uh, where do you think the instructions go?

Right.

They take them in the crepe.

Pull them out.

They look at them and say, no folder.

I know better.

We, we try to do, we, we have, we invest a significant amount of resources and

the instructions get better and more detailed and more

thorough.

We have one very skilled engineer now dedicated almost exclusively to

documentation and instructions.

That's a phenomenal job.

Amazing job.

It's making the product that much better.

But you know, I'd probably read them.

Yeah.

I think, I think you should at least look at it.

I don't know if they still do it, but like good seven to 10 years ago,

go ahead and do an envelope and said, do not open in big bowl.

Yeah.

I think they nailed it.

Oh, I'm going to see what's in here.

Before shadow and we got Brett coming on here.

Yeah, that's gonna be Eric.

At Pinkies literally told me, I said, dude, that's, that's in the manual.

He goes, yeah, I don't read those.

So, okay, right.

That's, that's probably a good start.

But that's just again, back to the beginning.

It is what it is.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

It's just I, the thing is, we know that I generally don't read instructions either.

I do save them because I do know that I'm probably going to get into that point.

And then I'll reference like, what did I fuck up?

Oh, guess what?

I thought I knew what I was doing.

Right.

Nothing more humbling than IKEA furniture.

And those instructions don't even fucking matter.

Like that's, that's.

There's a piece you're looking at.

This doesn't go on for 47 steps.

Nope.

That's the first thing I think this is a treasure map.

Like what?

It's not even like the same thing.

That's all I want with those is just give me one exploded view and call out the hardware.

Yeah.

And that's it.

I'll take it from there.

I figure out the sequence.

I don't.

It's been a while, but there's, there was something not to not too

awful long ago having to put together a lot of stuff anymore.

The kids are older, but there was something that like all of the hardware

was literally like a sixteenth difference, you know, and you're always

when you just go ahead and just pick it, you're always wrong.

Yeah, dude, just make them make the heads different.

I'll find different tools to make them in.

So I know that the ones with the star are for there.

The ones with the hex are for there.

The ones that are Phillips header for there.

But I thought I was done with it.

You know, my kids are 15 and 13 now.

And my wife, just for my daughter's birthday, bought her this like

nail make like vanity thing.

Like she's got it big and like fucking doing nails and stuff.

I had to put it together.

I was having a fit because it reminded me of the kitchen.

It reminded me of the kitchen.

Me and Phil both got what our kids.

Yeah, me, Phil and Chad, we all got the same.

It was I put it together first.

I'm like, I had 40 hours in this.

I get they were giving me.

It was like this big.

Oh, you work in the keyboard.

Like you don't know how to do it.

The equivalent of two weeks later, they came back.

It's the equivalent of building a 1500 square foot kitchen,

like a real deal kitchen.

And this thing wasn't too far off.

And I was plumbing and everything.

I was having a fit.

But I pushed through it.

Was it the hardware and like the plastic wrapping to everything's in plastic

wrapping? And then you want to open it.

Just yeah, it goes everywhere.

You want to speed it up.

Was that number?

I'm not going to sit there with a little real quick.

And we're going to move to Andrew's because he's got he's got to answer the same thing,

just full transparency, because this is what we do.

Right.

Remember the the the entertainment center that you guys donated to boys, right?

That was one of those situations.

You realize the doors worn on upside down.

What were there was something that I did wrong and I gave up on it.

Nothing wrong.

I took it completely apart because they said it was done wrong, right?

And it ended up putting it back together exactly the way it was.

And just need to do it.

Just the hinges because there's pulls top and bottom.

So the doors are basically unisex.

They can go on left and right.

I disassembled everything just to realize that you had to go back the exact same way.

So you did it right.

OK, you did it right.

It just needed some fine tuning adjustment on it.

There was nothing wrong with it.

Just ran out of patience.

You just ran out of patience.

Yeah, I hope he's enjoying it.

You had on think he's really looked at the doors right there.

He's living the time.

He's living living his life.

Andrew, you favorite thing about Road to Shop and the most difficult?

I think the easiest thing is like truly believing in the brand, the product,

everything we're doing like the first time I tell people all the time.

It's like I can tell you all day how this is going to drive.

But like to experience it's really hard to tell.

And I remember I mean, I was already a believer, but right in the first

car after I moved here.

And then I remember I asked you because I love Novos.

We had the Teal Nova here.

I'm like, hey, dude, let me know when you're going out.

Like I hop in, went for a ride.

You're like, hey, drive it.

You're just like, holy shit, like these Novos drive so bad.

I've never driven a good 62 to 67 Nova.

And I was just like, I think like that just really.

You're never selling snake oil.

Yes, like you're you're now you're selling easy to believe in the works.

We've done it.

If you have questions, you know, maybe I don't have your exact answer,

but we're going to dig into it.

So like we've got a really good group of passionate people.

And it's I always have said, like I'm not necessarily a salesman.

Like I've always done marketing.

I've done this and that.

Like I could not sell shit I don't care about.

Yeah. But but here it's easy.

Like it's just it's easy to believe in what we're doing.

So hardest thing is just.

Tech, I mean, we've done so much stuff over the years and you're you're quoting

out so many chassis's and in the middle of that, you got a guy that bought a chassis

in 2008. Yeah.

And it went through four shops and it's finally getting here.

Like I don't want to leave you high and dry.

You're a customer of ours.

But like so you're chasing stuff down.

Little things like that, I think get a little tough to just keep up.

And then kind of like Irvin said, we just have so much going on that sometimes it's

just we're not avoiding you.

We've got the proper channels.

We've got the people working on it.

We have an engineering review or something, but it just it takes time.

So when you talk about believing in the product, that's a that's pretty cool to

hear you say that.

But I know you do because you've now built a bubble top and power on a spec

chassis and are driving it to and from work.

And you were chasing a little like a trans issue or something the other day.

And I still am.

I saw you come around the corner.

He was doing like a hot lap and steps out.

You know, I'm staying out in the front parking lot and comes out around just fucking

stands on the car, steps out and just so controlled.

I'm like, watching my fucking drive, like just drift sideways.

Just like can block down 83 snaps right back on the brakes right into the parking

line. I'm like, that looked good.

But it just looked like dialed in.

I mean, it was it was impressive to just stand there and watch it.

It's I mean, it's 1961, 62 and pallets like Cardin.

Shouldn't do that.

Yeah, but it does.

Yeah. And I had a buddy because I had been driving and I took a video holding

the the camera up and just go in around some corners.

He's like, what do you compare to him?

Like, man, it's really hard to explain.

And this is where I bring up all those.

I was waiting for it.

But the Volvo V 60 we have, I'm like, that thing drives good.

It handles so it handles good.

People wouldn't say that for years.

This 62 bell there.

I'm not road coursing.

I'm not out of crossing, but I throw it into a corner.

It's a heavy car, but it puts the weight where it needs to go.

It does what it needs to do.

Yeah, it's I drove that thing.

I think I told one of you, I think I told you, like, I was like, man,

this alignment has to be spot on.

This thing drives fucking awesome.

And I took it to the alignment shop and it was way out.

I'm like, this thing drives so good.

You know, that's something that's funny about this chassis is they're like.

You take stuff out like, you know, your first drive, the car is not aligned

and they work really well so far out of alignment.

I mean, if it's whacked, right?

And you've got but there's a static alignment sort of built into it.

So you're going to have toes going to be a little funky.

Cambers going to be a little funky and castor might be staggered,

but you're sort of like in, you know, in the ballpark.

But they really like.

It doesn't clean them up that much.

Like you can make car work really good with the line being whacked on them.

Oh, you compare to it like a new truck or whatever.

And that thing you hit it.

You hit it. You hit a bad pothole, you know, with 3000 miles in or whatever.

And that thing's, you know, pulling.

You know, I knocked it out of alignment.

You know, you get alignment.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's yeah.

It's driving that car for the first time was pretty humbling in its own right.

And I'm building it for my dad.

I'm delivering it at a good guys to moin.

Cool. No matter what.

Yeah. So I told him close.

Yeah. So transmission working or not?

That's yeah. I've got options.

I've got things figured out, but it's just like door panels are not

transmission working or not like you're getting in.

We're going to figure it out one way or another.

But I'll be driving it to the morning because he bought it in 81.

Yeah. Had us never got around to it.

So it's like this is for him.

He needs to get out and enjoy it.

So that's cool.

But before we get into standard questions, we got to talk about, you know,

one of our sponsors, HP tuners, right?

Talking about transmission issues.

And it might be.

I have to reach out, you know, there's just this time.

You got a couple of weeks before you got to go to the morning.

We got it.

HP tuners, we had a great.

We've had a great partnership.

They're right here local.

American made American company right here in Buffalo Grove.

We had a great cars and coffee event here just a weekend or two ago.

Awesome event. Awesome event.

Great people.

A shit ton of really smart people.

I don't know if you've noticed that.

I know I work with a lot of them.

They're very intelligent people.

Right. Very intelligent people and a phenomenal resource.

Extremely smart.

And a product that we couldn't exist the way we do today without.

No, they're code breakers.

Right. And they got everything.

They got they can they give you the device to tune every toy that you possibly have.

It was like a game genie.

Remember that?

Game genie or game shark?

Game shark.

You're Nintendo.

They give every toy that you might have and everything that you might haul your toys with.

All the trucks, all the side by sides, all the muscle cars.

They've got, you know, the VCM suite that allows you to do the tuning.

They've got the MPVI for that's the dongle thing.

That's then they got the RTD for that is remote tuning.

They got the core ECU if you want to go full blown and that ECU is obviously, you know,

it can do just about anything.

Right. And it's a it's bridging the gap.

It's bridging the gap between off the shelf ECU stuff and, you know, full blown

start from scratch, you know, build a harness thing.

And it's and it's really, really cool.

Great group of people.

Great history. Great, great, great core mentality of what they're trying to do there.

Core get that?

Yeah.

Like that.

HP tuners, though, anything you guys need.

We've hooked up a lot of customers and podcast guests that have been on there.

And they're like, it's HP tuners thing.

What's the deal on it?

Yep. Don't worry.

You're part of the family now.

Got you.

Yeah. Bowlers working on them on some big projects now.

And we've got they're smart.

Yeah. We've got we've got something pretty epic that'll be coming out one of these days

that HP tuners is helping out with when it's ready.

It's ready.

And that's when you'll see it.

When you see it.

When it's done.

What's the C8?

They've got that cracked.

They do. They've got the C8, 06 and ZR1 cracked.

They've had the C8 Stingray cracked for a while, but the 06 and Stingray are now cracked.

And some pretty dumb horsepower numbers are being being made.

Yeah, pretty stupid stuff.

They got twin turbos now coming out for 06 is now that you can tune them.

The stuff's doing 800 horsepower of the tires.

Like that was like the limiting factor forever.

You couldn't tune it.

You couldn't do anything with it.

Yeah.

The the motor would make more power with add-ons because it did learn,

right? This this global global be or whatever the new GM thing is, it did learn and get power.

So you could make 150 100 horsepower to the tires with some add-ons after it learned.

But the problem was that the torque management and some of the other things that still they're getting there,

but they're not fully there yet.

Once that stuff starts coming in or whatever, you're going to probably see some stupid shit.

But I mean, on the ZR1 things,

it's a little stupid, but it's stupid.

It's 1064 horsepower at the crank, right?

But they're you're they're making they're making 11 or close to 1100 at the tires already,

which is downpipes and tune.

And that's not even getting the full boat 85 tuning and so on.

That's but they I know that was a big challenge for them.

They were working on that a team untold team of resources,

which is a different business model if we want to get into like

indirect labor.

Since a good analogy, just go.

Now, there's no analogy.

It's just like from a business standpoint, it's like, all right, this team of people go in the lab.

I'm going to keep paying you.

Just keep cracking away at it, it.

And you just let me know when it's something that we can sell.

And however long that takes is however long that takes.

It's sort of like some of these start up.

But those guys never accomplish anything.

Right. These guys always get it.

They crack it.

Yeah, it's it's, you know, we had Andrew and on the podcast and stuff and talked about in detail

on some of the stuff they do, whatever, just a wild.

That that level of, you know, tech company, you know, in this industry and that

meant car guys and really want to do it.

That's the challenge of being able to do it and, you know, fighting with OEs and stuff.

It's it's a pretty crazy thing.

And they've been able to do it.

They're the tip of the spear.

There's nobody else even close to second.

Do they do anything for the Volvos yet?

They do enthusiast brands mostly.

You know, I just got to two.

They're enthusiastic.

One.

You have more Volvos than Irvin has cars.

Not anymore.

Volvos have trucks.

Volvos have enthusiastic owners.

They're not an enthusiast brand.

It's two completely different things.

Just like much like SOP.

So we got it.

Sobs is our world.

We don't.

You don't mingle with some owners.

Bring your nose up.

I'd love to have a sob enthusiast on this podcast.

Rick Love, we had him.

I'd like to just dissect that.

That's you don't want to peel back the layers.

I bet you Faye Butler's have cruised the sob in his day.

Guarantee it.

They're out of business, right?

Sobs.

Yeah.

Don Gones.

I don't think they've made a car in 20 something years.

There was just something I saw heard or saw about SOP.

Like the last of something.

I didn't really pay attention, but.

SOP.

Yeah.

To Google it.

Coming up on standard questions brought to you by Good Guys.

Rod and Custom.

Point yet because you guys are going to be a couple of good guys is back to back.

You're doing Columbus.

Des Moines.

You're doing Des Moines.

That's a no to Columbus.

You're doing Columbus.

We roll out the big guns.

You're not doing Columbus.

So you're doing Columbus.

I'll be there.

And Will's doing Columbus.

Yep.

You guys, Neath, one of you guys are doing Columbus.

The fuck?

Irvin's got a.

Like I said.

Special announcement.

Maybe.

What do you got?

I don't know.

Bailey is a surrogate.

So she's due.

Really?

A weekend.

Wow.

Yeah.

This kid thing.

And you got a kid thing.

They have two.

We don't want to talk about it on here if you don't want to.

I don't care.

I mean.

I think we'll have them.

You guys' personal lives and like reproducing is a huge inconvenience on the business.

Yeah.

So I'm not going to be at SEMA or Vino.

Oh, having a kid thing.

Really?

Really.

It's a generational difference because the three of us didn't let the kid get in the way of the fucking business.

Understandably, right?

Times have changed.

You should.

Yeah, you should.

I mean, it's the same as the right way.

It's definitely not the right way.

We did it.

That just happens to be the way we did it.

Mine turned out all right.

Yeah.

Five centimeters.

We got like two hours.

I can finish dynamite in this car.

I'll be there in a couple hours.

I was underneath.

True.

Yeah.

100% true.

I was 100% true.

I was underneath the innovator nova that we were doing.

Pushing for street machine of the year when my Kyocera starts.

When she was pushing.

You were pushing for the street.

And she's in labor and has to go to the hospital.

And I'm like, are you sure?

And I dismissed it.

And then her sister called me and she's like,

you need to get home.

She needs to go to the hospital.

She's having the baby.

Fuck.

Made sure everybody had everything figured out that we had a plan of attack

to get this car across the finish line, went to the hospital.

I think I was back the next morning.

One night thing.

Fuckin.

When they go into labor at night, it's an ordeal.

You got to walk around a bunch of shit and wait till the fucking baby is ready to come.

And then you're up all night.

But it's inconvenience.

The first one was a the first one was a call.

And take is first one.

The first one's the first one, right?

The first one's like a big deal.

Everybody like shows that they're caring and so like that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, the second was like, yeah, like you don't have to fake it anymore.

The first one, you're like, oh, yeah, fucking absolutely going to be a for sure father.

So I go home and take her to it was in middle of the day, right?

We go to the doctor and like, oh, you're you're not that far along.

Actually, let's plan this.

Why don't you guys be back here at eight o'clock tonight?

I was like, that's fucking great.

Parents are there already thinking this is happening.

I was like, that's perfect.

This is like three.

I got like four and a half hours like so y'all are good taking her back home.

I can, you know, hit the shop, whatever.

Knock this out for a few more hours, whatever.

How about I just meet y'all?

It's planned.

So it's like an emergency thing.

I'll just meet you guys back at the hospital.

Right.

So we did that.

And there was never like a question.

Nobody now years later, it was thrown back in my face, you know,

like how horrible of a person you are or something like that.

But in the night that night, everybody makes it out to be like such a big deal.

They used to just like squat down in the woods.

I know.

I literally I did nothing when I was there.

They know what ever exactly.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I am pretty sure Jody appreciated that you were there.

She was, you know, she's hopped up on drugs.

She doesn't even know I could have been.

You had the whole time.

I could have said I was there and not been there.

She would have believed it.

During it was Wyatt, my son.

This was the first time you know, I ran home from trying to finish the car.

And the whole time I'm in the hospital, I've got a customer with the it was the four door

suburban we did.

He's blowing me up.

So I pick it up.

He couldn't get the car to start.

So I'm troubleshooting the thing.

I'm like, dude, I think it's the neutral side.

Push the shifter forward into park.

Like make sure the shift push the shifter for and then you hear.

OK, you got it.

Dude, you're good.

It's a boy.

I'm like sitting outside and like looking in and you got it.

I mean, I get it.

It's the new times have changed and you got to do the right thing.

Right.

I'm telling you what, I would like to say I would do the right thing.

If I had to do it over again, we got like FaceTime and iPads and tablets and stuff.

We have none of that shit back then.

Like it was before he came or she came into the earth and he came into the earth.

Like there was that deadline of like, like these need to be

in the hospital when he's born or she's born, right?

Both of them.

But now I'm done.

Now it's kind of like, come on.

I don't remember this.

Do you remember?

You guys remember the second one?

I don't remember the second one because I quit smoking.

I quit smoking when she found out she was pregnant with Blaze.

I quit smoking and then I think she's supposed to quit smoking.

I don't think you had any effect on it.

So you're talking about.

No, it was your work has been.

It was just a personal thing.

Like I would try, you know, she'd always give me shit.

Obviously that worked pretty well.

Oh, I so I stayed quit for the whole entire nine months and then in the hospital.

Oh, through them.

There was like the whole why she was pregnant.

She found out she's pregnant.

I was like, all right, boom.

I said the next kid, I'll stop smoking.

So I stopped smoking, stayed stopped smoking the whole nine months,

go to the hospital, whatever.

And there was that time, you know, second kid kind of like, no big deal.

We've done this before.

And it was like, hey, can you step out of the room?

Like he's turned blah, blah.

And then they start rushing in, you know, there's like emergency.

And I was like, oh, fuck this.

The shit could go south.

Like this is real.

It's like he's not born yet.

Like a nine months has a pretty long time, whatever.

So I can go downstairs, walk across the street to the gas station by a pack of cigarettes.

I was smoking before he was even born.

I like nine months and like I missed it by two hours before he's born.

And it turned out he's fine.

And then I'm smoking ever since.

I ain't never been a quitter.

Start something.

That's a congratulations.

Maybe not the best advice.

Turns out it is.

You seen all the shit going on all over the internets to yesterday?

That mental.

Here's COVID.

Manthal.

Here's COVID.

No, smoking curse.

COVID.

You said it.

You saw the doctor that was on Theo Vaughan's podcast.

So that's a source for.

Yeah.

He was a doctor.

He's an actual doctor.

And Theo Vaughan, the heavy vetting process there.

I would imagine.

Go ahead and tell the interwebs that they're wrong, that multiple doctors are not saying that

nicotine cured you or kept you from getting bad cases of COVID and nobody that smoked got long COVID.

I think it's more of that COVID entering the lungs and being like,

this is a nice place to live in COVID entering your lungs and being like,

this is mental.

What the fuck?

I'm getting the fuck out of here.

Crisps everywhere.

They get in there.

Potato, potato, buddy, whatever you want.

It's like the fucking projects in there, dude.

It's like, fuck this.

It's fine.

More room.

More room for us.

You can take that row house and house.

I got them.

So anyway, coming in.

Yeah.

What are we looking at?

What's the due date early November?

We've lost our entire sales team.

Congratulations.

He's not going to be at Dino's or SEMA.

He's not going to be at Columbus.

This is number one.

It's only the most important sales.

I mean, the events of the.

Hey, number one's a big deal.

Yeah.

Number one is big.

Super excited.

Yeah.

So.

You know what the gender is yet?

Boy.

Congrats, dude.

Oh, I got a name already.

Lord's.

No, I think I've been.

It's a Lord's celebration.

You got a name already?

Jackson.

You're not going to tell it though until it's born.

I'll tell you after.

Okay.

We're not.

Jepsen.

I think we're hiding it.

But Jepsen.

Haven't announced it anywhere.

Yeah.

You don't want to tell like in two and a half million people

listening.

I mean, that's that's obviously not.

The whole Chicago land population.

Well, if anybody's listening that is one of your customers,

maybe they'll send you some nice little treats and gifts for your first kid.

So Edgar, you're going with Edgar for the name.

Yeah.

It's a good name.

Yeah.

Um.

Ellen Pope.

Edgar Ellen Pope.

Will you shave before he's here?

No.

You want that to be the first thing you see.

That's probably where it came from.

It's part of being a dad.

It's growing.

I'm going to have the mustache.

Face.

And this is the first thing you see.

Life will be easy after that.

You think it'll grow out.

You know, I'm going to tell you this.

My kids were scared to death of my dad's mustache.

Just you might want to think about.

Yeah, but he had a real mustache.

I mean, he had a real mustache.

He had a T.S.

I mean, that thing was full blown.

A fucking push room.

That's a caterpillar.

You're like, I probably don't need to touch it because it's probably poisonous.

It's one of those ones you see in a national geographic.

When he was a little younger, it probably was.

Fuck.

I think we're getting close.

Let's go ahead as well.

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They're still going to call.

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First up.

Oh, gee, you know, back for where we started favorite car movie.

Whoever wants to go first, just jump in.

Oh my gosh.

Phil is our guy.

Is it Cobra?

Felon.

Stallone.

Fuck.

Yes.

Solid.

Stallone.

That bad dude.

That's her.

That's where I hired him right there.

My man.

Little tango and cash action.

Irvin known for his taste.

Let's go with him on movies.

In your 11 years, I was doing something right.

Cardigans.

Uggs.

All right.

I mean, know what my name is.

Tell me, tell me.

You're doing you're doing great.

Tell me about Cobra.

What what hits dude just the way that the body lines was it?

Was it a work?

It's the you like the car in the movies.

It's the car.

Yeah, I retract my earlier statement.

No, put that on the record.

Fine.

What else about the movie?

Give us more keep keep going because I love the do.

Cabrini's cool.

The sunglasses.

Super pick sunglasses, toothpick, the way he looks,

the leather jacket, everything.

He's cool.

Fact that he drives a car.

A car.

OK, yeah.

Stallone is the epitome of the badass and cool in that movie.

I agree.

Now you.

Yeah.

Really?

We don't like the car.

The car is cool, dude.

The car is cool.

If you like the theory of the car is cool.

Yeah.

OK.

The car is cool.

It's not as cool as I care about my Stallone is sort of overshadows.

The car carries a little bit.

He definitely carries the car a little bit.

The car is not the star.

Fair.

Look, the car is not the star of the movie.

Fair.

Stallone is.

Yes.

Cars are nice accessory.

They name the movie Cobra.

But yeah, you're right.

It's not a Cobra.

Cars are not a Cobra.

Cars.

Is it a name?

The car's name is Cobra.

Whatever, dude.

Shut up.

That could be right.

That could be wrong.

If we're talking about over the top.

Oh, I mean, the truck, it could be a co-star.

Like over the top is a different.

That's a different story over the top is a case.

Can be made for over the top being Stallone's number one movie.

Agreed.

Yeah.

We're that first blood.

Neck and neck.

I think I, you know, I don't know.

Rambo Rambo for first blood.

First then over the top.

Sleeper.

We're just we got to throw tango and cash into the mix.

Really?

You don't like tango and cash.

You know, I don't.

I didn't get into that.

Silverado at the end with the fucking.

I didn't get into that era.

It doesn't beat over the top though.

Yeah.

OK, well, I've never seen it.

Just think about that.

Think of the.

Think of the story night at the roadside of that.

Like who came up with how great like just think of this.

Right there.

Oh, whole movies.

Yes.

Right on that.

Yes.

There's just crazy to think like who fucking thought of that.

Keep thinking about over the top.

There may or may not.

How did that not get a grand prize is coming around over the top.

If it's still on coming on this thing, he's got to do it.

You guys painting the.

Dude, we don't have any accessible.

He can't get up here.

Yes, he can.

You're right.

He's only 54

We could probably carry his little ass up here.

A little old ass.

You guys aren't answering.

What's it?

You guys painting the Pete like over the top.

No, no, no, no.

No, no, no.

You don't fuck with perfection.

Maybe.

I might get some.

Wait.

It's a good way to get a minute.

You're going to get Stallone.

No.

You can't.

You can't pull that out.

You can't.

You can't get the old junior.

I don't want to un-stall on.

Is there nobody that listens to this as a connection to Stallone

for Chris?

There's no way to listen to this.

You think Stallone would want to come on here?

Fuck yeah, he would.

It would be like that Chris Farley thing.

That was awesome.

He said like.

All right, Cobra.

Good movie.

You lost little points by talking so much about the mercury

because that's well known that nobody likes that car, right?

But that's fine.

Not a problem.

You've had some wins on this episode.

And you again.

That's definitely.

Hey, I'll tell you this, dude.

That's coming up in your annual review for sure.

That's a major fucking positive for you.

Huge, hugely advantageous.

You got six months to fuck that up.

Don't worry.

Knowing my track record, maybe.

Nobody, nobody, nobody, maybe.

But I'll still be here.

Who's you're doing a fucking damn good job.

Who's next favorite movie?

Car movie, of course.

I think back like the first car movie where I was.

God damn it.

It's fast and furious.

No, it's fast and furious.

No, no.

Let's see it.

That's number two.

What's bad, Max?

Because I was like, this is like this is what's going to happen in the future.

Yeah, we have to be ready.

Like, let's fucking build these cars.

Let's go.

Mad Max felt very.

The first time I saw that I was young and I was like, holy shit, this is the future.

Like, we're going to have to build shit to survive.

I remember being young, watching Mad Max.

And there was that it was almost like watching like you were watching something.

You shouldn't have been watching.

Yes.

Like there was like, oh, whoa.

Channel.

Is that all?

Whoa.

This is adult.

Four and two.

And it's real.

Super four.

Yeah.

First feel of like some weird foreign films.

They set up the shots of the frames and stuff like that.

Shit.

And you're like, whoa, is this great?

It's like, what happened?

Mel Gibson.

Mel Gibson is a badass.

Mel Gibson in the first Mad Max or Marion Cabretti and Cobra.

Yeah.

Uh huh.

Go ahead and think about that one.

That's very similar characters.

Honestly, Marion Cabretti, but that's about as close as you can get.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

Really close.

Mel Gibson is cool.

Yeah.

He went like a little off the deep end briefly, right?

But he sort of everybody.

Everybody experiments with things, you know, and takes you down different paths.

Yeah.

I feel like Mel Gibson whoops a dude's ass like in real life, though.

Like he seems like a little bit of a loose cannon.

I think he go, whoops a dude's ass before the dude's ass needs to be whooped.

Yes.

He's quick to get shit out of him.

Dude, we could have handled that with talking.

Like you just beat the shit out of that dude.

Do we throw Mel Gibson into the Stavester Stallone for round things?

Well, he's badass.

I mean, I don't know that you have a lot of like diehard fans, you know?

No.

There's not.

What's his stand up?

Mel Gibson lost a lot of stock after Patriot.

He's tough.

That's a great movie.

Patriot.

Yeah.

Yeah, really good.

Great movie.

A Braveheart.

Braveheart.

Fuck.

Braveheart.

Yeah, it's good.

Yeah.

He's got some bang.

Braveheart's a little schooly.

It was a little bit like going back to school.

A little little little much on the historical stuff.

You know, like Patriot better.

Get off on the historical stuff.

That one just didn't hit.

Braveheart's a great movie.

Patriots better.

USA, America.

Yeah.

Kid, one of those kind of like let's get proud of what we do.

You know, not like what some other motherfuckers did.

Fuckin' Chris is gonna love that.

How many Braveheart's about the only recognizable thing that's

ever come out of Scotland?

Isn't it?

No?

Other than like Chris.

Scotch.

Uh-huh.

Scotch.

Yeah, but don't we really like, I don't like it.

It's what we, this is the beauty of this thing is because we're not doing it.

We're doing this for us.

And then you get little, you get a little snapshot.

It's like little people.

Oh my god, they're doing that behind there.

Andrew, favorite car movie.

I'd say probably.

Not animated.

Fuck.

I love cars.

Cars who went a little weird.

I do like cars.

No, uh, Days to Confuse is probably my favorite just because, and it's funny, I'm young, but like

that whole car culture where it's like, it's Friday night, we don't have social media.

We don't have, so like I had cell phones in high school and shit, but it's still like,

let's cruise around, let's hit the Sonic, let's do all this, figure out what the hell's going on.

And that movie was that early on.

I don't think Bad Stash was about.

I can see the inspiration.

There's a little bit.

He had, he had, he had kid rock level of coolness.

Like sure it was patchy.

Was kid rock still cool though?

Or were we?

But yeah.

Well, yeah.

Like kid rock.

He's something badass.

Fuck yeah.

If you're a big Days in Confuse fan, let me ask you this.

What time's your party, man?

Fuck.

9.30, man.

Yeah.

I'll be there.

Sorry.

Okay, man.

How many beers are you getting?

Four.

You're dead, man.

You dead, man.

What a great fucking movie.

That one's good.

And then you said Fast and Furious earlier.

Like that, that I think did this whole thing for the car industry.

That I don't think it's a lot of sport compact stuff and a lot of things.

Doesn't matter.

Yeah.

It just it got everybody.

I remember I was we went to go see Fast and Furious.

We go out to the parking lot and everyone's doing fucking burnout.

They're going to street race and I'm like, hell yeah.

Like it brought that whole.

It really like lit a fuse for sure.

I don't think Fast and Furious will get or has it definitely hasn't gotten.

I don't know if it ever will get the credit it deserves.

There's this core memory.

We talk about motorcycle mania one and two, right?

And how instrumental it is.

For so many people we've had in the podcast, people that employed here about,

oh, that changes my direction.

I want to do that.

I want to do that for a living.

I don't care.

This is this is not a stepping stone.

This is the step.

Right.

I want to do that.

Fast and Furious was very same thing.

You know, you had a day.

Days and confused get people in American graffiti like propelled, you know,

and kept people in the hot rod stuff.

I think Fast and Furious is that important of of those days.

Even if it gets you in a different thing of cars, it kept you in there long enough

and then you progressed in a thing.

It days to confuse.

I don't think created car guys.

It was so if you were into cars just like holy shit.

He loved the movie.

You're like you love the movie because it was relatable to people our age.

I guarantee you got people into muscle cars.

Yeah, hell yeah.

No.

Yeah.

I guess there's plenty of people who love it just because of like the night.

It was so relatable to being a teenager, even when we were kids.

You don't think anybody that it was so so disconnect.

Well, my friend tried to write like you guys lived it.

My whole group of friends love the movie.

Didn't make car guys out of them.

They just love the movie because it was like how we it was like a night out for us.

Right.

We didn't have the Emporium, but that was sort of your cruise around.

You know, that was filmed.

You know, it was filmed.

Yeah.

Austin.

Yeah.

I went around seeing a couple of the things.

Yeah.

They were filmed.

I watched it so many times and I'm like a moon tower is a thing.

I'm like, wait, what the fuck is that?

And you look it up like moon towers were a thing.

There was a bunch of crime in Austin.

Yeah.

And they're really like 1900s and they had these big towers that would shine lights on neighborhoods.

And then they're just still existing.

Party.

We went to the party there.

All right.

Next up.

Let's see.

Most memorable.

I got to do it.

It's a tick.

I'm sorry.

You make fun of me.

That's fine.

That's got a full mustache.

Yeah.

I get punchy.

Most memorable law enforcement interaction story.

This one I'm really interested in.

Oh, fuck.

Yeah.

This also could affect your career.

Or maybe it has already.

That's why you're here.

I've got a good one.

You can go first.

Which it wasn't directly related to me necessarily.

I've been always very lucky if I do get pulled over.

I'm generally able to talk myself out of it.

But went to in Kansas City.

They always did the F body versus Mustang meet.

And they would always do a cruise lap around 435.

It took like an hour.

You'd go do some real racing and then get back and it's like,

Hey, there's a good spot.

We can go dig race south of Kansas City, like 40 minutes.

We get down there.

We pull into a rest stop and a cop pulls in instantly.

And it's all fucking Fort Jens,

umbigs and littles, all this shit.

You're like,

we just drove all the way down here for nothing.

And the cops like, hey, I know what you're here for.

This mile marker to this mile marker is my jurisdiction.

Don't piss off the locals.

Don't fucking crash.

And you're good.

And I feel like he's probably not a sheriff anymore.

But we really,

Orie still is.

Orie really respected that night.

But yeah, it was a cool thing.

What was faster? WS6s or SSs?

SSs.

Really?

They were all, they were lighter.

The trans amps were kind of the pigs of it.

I had a different, different story.

I was terrified of WS6s.

A super car.

It was.

I just got too much air in the top end car.

That didn't mean even on dig racing.

WS6 is always faster on the interstate from

when you almost feel like we're running.

I mean, that was a classic car when you were.

So I bought in a late 07.

I bought an LS1 car.

And that was just like, at that point,

that was like, if you had an LS1 car,

no Mustang could do anything.

That was yellow bullet days.

Yeah.

Let's say they big time yellow bullet,

like until the coyote came out,

like if you had an LS1 car, you were,

if you had a 12 second car till 2010,

you were doing something.

Yeah.

But yeah, I always liked,

I had my 99 Camaro.

I always liked them, but they were lighter.

But I don't know if you've,

SW, I don't know if you followed.

Yeah, he's on.

That motherfucker's buying every four,

he's driving the price up himself.

Will wants one now.

He's driving the price up himself.

Nobody else is.

Yeah.

Getting into him.

That's right.

That's a tough car to build.

To build, build.

There was a.

You need bolt-ons, but like.

Yeah, well, the whole car's plastic.

There's nothing available for those.

Have they come out with some.

Come around.

Let's get around the skip shift yet.

Yeah.

Unbolt the little fucking thing.

Just keep it to the fucking floor.

Yes.

There's a module for a while.

Module.

Yeah, but it's just like.

SLP had a module.

Yeah, there's a way on the.

SLP, remember that?

If I remember right.

SLP, yeah.

Yeah.

Get a catalog, like the SLP catalog,

and street legal performance.

Is that what that's going to be?

That's what it's going to be.

Yeah.

Uh, Irvin.

Killed a man.

Okay.

97.

Uh, I might, I might as well have.

Helmers.

The.

Woodfield Mall.

No, this was actually in Vernon Hills.

Should we not tell this based on the Ed Sheik?

Yeah, go for it.

That means we should.

You know, this is just going to make us closer, right?

Well, yeah, this point.

Listeners have dropped off.

There's not a lot of people.

Good, good, good.

Because I don't want them to remember.

Dude, if you knew how far away from the school

you should have been and you did it anyway,

that's on you.

My condolences, no sympathy from us.

So early 2000s, my parents, they took a,

they took a trip to the Philippines.

I was my first year of college.

I was up in Wisconsin.

I came home for winter break.

They told the local police department and said,

hey, nobody's going to be home.

Can you just circle, do a lap, check the house?

You didn't know that.

All your parents.

Of course it's you.

They didn't trust or they were just concerned about the house.

They thought he was at college.

They thought I was at college.

I came home and I had said house party.

OK.

Sorry, mom.

Sorry, dad.

But you're probably not listening.

Who cares?

And how much unseeking Backstreet Boys is playing?

All of it.

What year was this?

This is the winner of 2002.

Did you have Frosted Tips?

That was 2001.

When I had hair, I did do the Frosted Tips.

I wanted to look like JT.

Knew all the dances.

Big 98 degrees fan.

Only when I was feeling emotional.

Feeling emotional.

98.

They just hit.

All for one.

You got to tell them about the band.

Nope.

Not going to tell them about the band.

Were you at a boy's band?

I am not going to plug the band because I don't want anybody to look it up.

All right.

Back to the back.

Wait.

How does this not come up?

What do you mean look it up?

That means there's things that you can find?

Hit the boys.

I am not in said video.

Let me just throw it out there.

I am not in said video.

Is your voice in the video?

Nope.

What's the name of the band?

I was part of the group.

However, I could not perform at that event because I had a prior engagement.

So other videos of said band.

There's stuff.

What's the name of the band?

I don't even remember anymore.

You fucking idiot.

You spilled it or I will.

Phil, what's the name of the band?

Come to Des Moines in 97 degrees.

97.6.

No, 101.1.

But they didn't play that in Q101.

That was a B96 jam for sure.

Summer Bash.

I thought we were talking about the police story.

We're going to get there after you disclose the name of the band.

So if you come to the booth in Des Moines at Good Guys,

you will disclose the name of the band.

100%.

Okay, but you got you're not going to tell it on the air.

Nope.

You've got to come to the booth at Des Moines.

Good Guys Des Moines.

Right.

And once you find me.

Once you know the name of the band, there is YouTube video.

There is YouTube video.

Okay.

All right.

However, that's a scavenger hunt.

You got to go to the booth.

I'm not in said videos.

So let me disclose that I am not in said videos.

That doesn't do us any good.

Exactly.

You're a backup singer.

No, no singing.

Is there a dance?

Were you really were you really in this band?

You were a backup dancer.

Were you really in this band?

Are you being shy about a band that you never were in?

If you ask the guys, I probably was not part of the band.

That's why I'm looking at the camera.

If you see this, yeah, you guys probably don't.

This story came out to be more boring than I thought.

I know.

Sorry.

So sorry.

Party at the house.

Burning Hills.

This is a better story.

At least I think.

So morning after after a hard night at drinking.

Guess jeans or tell me he'll figure.

Oh, I was not wearing jeans.

See, Kevin.

Yes.

It was that.

Yes.

Is that kind of part?

So you got you got after it.

I did.

That's white umbrows in the pool.

A little tighter.

Yes.

bike shorts nothing over nice.

So we know we're talking Calvaux Desert.

Yes sir.

Those are jockeys Calvaux Desert

were just Calvin Klein boxer briefs.

Boxer briefs again.

Case width got it.

Little CK one.

Is there a little CK one involved?

No, I think that your car eternity it was curved at that curve.

And a man.

So I'm passed out on the couch in the living room that our our door is just

the Jason to it. All of a sudden I hear a banging on the door. Door opens. PD, whatever

city PD, we're here to check on the house. The garage door was open. Nobody's supposed

to be home. Is there anybody in there? Identify yourself. So then I wake up immediately and

I said, oh, my name is Irvin Cabrales. I live in this house. Let me come into the

door. I come to the door. I get greeted by a male officer, female police officer. They

explain the whole situation. Hey, nobody's supposed to be here. You guys are supposed

to be in the Philippines. However, your garage door is open, so we're doing a wellness check.

Is everything okay here? Who are you? Can I get some identification? I said, yeah, I'm

Irvin Cabrales. I am the son of the household. Let me go grab my wallet. Did you do dance?

Move after that? Hold on. I'm better. I do something better. So I go turn to run and

grab my ID and then I'm shuffling around and I grab my ID and then I'm looking down and

here I am. Full pitch. No way. Just surprised? I'm always talking about I just woke up. I

was just like, I was a lover. I'm full pitch. And I'm just like, fucking A, dude. There's

a first. Every episode we do, there's a first. That's a new one. That's why I didn't want

to share this one, but I feel close to you guys. It's part of the story. It adds to the

story. Which police officer noticed it first? So the male officer was at the door and then

the female officer was just in the garage. Did you think those were the days of Thunderskip?

Man.

Question is, will he use it?

I was hoping it was the days of Thunderskip.

Who giggled first?

I got a smirk. I don't know if it was a good smirk or a bad smirk, but I got a smirk. I'll

take that as a win. But I did the coy. Well, here's my ID.

Sorry, I'm torqued right now.

Basically. And they said, OK, well, I'm glad that everything's OK. Here's your ID back.

Just make sure that you close the garage and they go about their business. After that exchange,

I made eye contact with the said female officer.

She winked at you.

She did. And I took that as a 19-year-old kid as a win. Like, yes, I was embarrassed.

Right.

That's quite cool.

No, no.

That would be an awesome story.

That was like a boost to the confidence.

You know what? No big deal.

And then I went back to school.

It felt great. Told their story.

And yeah, how many people were in that house when the cop showed up?

No, there was only. It was just you.

This was the morning after.

But it's just you.

No, I had another buddy of mine.

Oh, that's not.

So it was you and another dude in the house.

Yes.

They're both torqued.

You're trying to bounce past this.

I think we need to move on.

The story was this is taking a turn.

I felt great about this.

This is taking a turn for old Irvin.

Couple of supermodels.

Story was pretty cool.

Let's let him cross the line.

Strong. This is training.

This is training to see how fast it can work on his feet.

I think he crossed the line.

I don't even know if I should follow up with anything behind that.

Gave you the opportunity.

I gave you the opportunity.

You could have lied.

I couldn't think of one.

I couldn't think of a story.

Quick enough.

That's pretty good.

You know what?

He's honest, honest, there are always, always, always.

Still go by the booth at Des Moines

and find out the name of the band.

Fair.

Yep.

All right.

Yeah, my mind's like at the tail end of a long scenario.

But I guess I'll tell it.

So I played rugby for 10 years.

Sports.

And sports.

How the fuck did you get into rugby?

Yeah, it's your story.

Mr. Athletic, did you not make the football team?

No, I didn't make the football team.

Look at that head of hair.

That's not for a helmet.

That's for a ballad.

Where do you even play rugby?

Yeah, on the pitch.

No, in the United States.

No, that's weird.

I had a buddy that was like, hey, I'm going to start a rugby team.

And I was like, OK, cool.

What are we doing?

He's like, I don't know.

You run around and you fucking tackle each other.

I was like, OK, sounds good.

It'll just.

I don't know how much of this is truth.

Or he's really that fucking cool.

No, I was like, he's the most interesting man

that we have working for us.

I was like, I'm in.

So we got my group of friends to start this rugby team

in high school my senior year.

Anyways, so I played rugby, learned in the game.

A very interesting game because it's international.

It's not really popular in America.

Anyways, we're at a house party.

You're still speaking English, playing it though, right?

Yeah, you're still speaking English.

King's English.

We're at.

We're at a house party and it was kind of running low on beer.

And in Lamont, Illinois, there's actually

kind of a world famous rugby pitch by the Lamont Blaze.

Told you it was a pitch.

Yeah, it's called the Pistols.

It's not a field.

It's a pitch.

That's what they call it.

Yeah, it's called a pitch.

You always think I'm full of shit.

Most of the time you are.

99% of the time I'm right.

With a touch of bullshit.

It's like shrouded in truth.

It's like soccer, soccer terms, but not for pussies.

You know, tackle.

So anyways, tackle soccer.

It's tackle soccer.

In Lamont, Illinois, there is a really nice pitch.

And not full pitch, but just a pitch.

And how many meters is that?

Fuck, I don't know.

This is really just a time.

It's Filipino or American.

Filipino, it's like six.

American, it's like maybe 80.

Anyways.

Right at my buddy's house, he's having a party.

And it's my senior year of high school.

And he's kind of running low on beer.

Well, in a rugby game, afterwards,

you have a social.

A social is when you invite the other team and you party.

So you beat the shit out of each other for 80 minutes.

And then you have a social.

You get together, you drink, you party, you have a good time.

Another fucking UK thing.

Can't call it a party.

Let's call it a social.

Yeah, a social.

The tackle soccer party.

So there's this pitch in Lamont, Illinois.

It's the Chicago Blaise field.

And they had an old farmhouse.

And it was the social headquarters.

So you play the match, and you go in, you party afterwards.

And they had all these kegs lined up on the outside.

Jupura pint.

You pour a pint.

You pour it in a shoe, you drink it.

It's fucking weird shit.

You don't want to get into it, but it's the bontria.

It's best.

Anyways, we're at this party.

We're kind of running low on beer.

And a couple of my buddies were like, hey,

let's go to the Lamont Blaise pitch.

And they have all these kegs outside.

We'll go and steal one and bring it to the party.

We'll kind of be the heros.

We'll bring a keg back.

It'll be super cool, right?

So we drive out to the Lamont Blaise pitch.

They have this old farmhouse.

Now imagine four soccer fields, and then this little old red

farmhouse in the middle of it.

And then they have this garage, and there's about 11 kegs,

11, 12 kegs outside of it.

And we're like, oh, we can just go there and take one.

So we get there.

We pull in the parking lot.

We kind of creep up.

We slowly crawl below the windows of the social house.

And little do we know that they had cameras outside of the

social house, right?

What year is this?

2004?

Maybe 2005, somewhere down there?

That is fake cameras.

Technology.

Yeah, fake cameras, very grainy shit, right?

It's like Josh's Android.

Yeah, exactly.

So.

Got their asses.

My buddy has a 95.

I think it's a 95, mid-90s cutlass.

Kind of ugly cars.

They have the weird three body lines on the side, convertible.

Oh.

Yeah.

He just got the convertible top.

A skier reference.

Yeah.

He just got the convertible top replaced, like brand new.

And we go.

He drives.

There's four of us in the car.

I'm in the back seat.

We get out.

We go to the Salamante Blaze rugby pitch.

We grab the keg.

Kegs empty.

There's no beer in the kegs.

Because why would they have kegs full of beer on the

outside of the house?

Doesn't make sense.

But we're high school kids.

That's right, like seven minutes ago.

Yeah.

And we're like, well, whatever.

Let's just take one anyways.

We grab one.

We run back to the car.

Yeah, once you're committed, you steal it.

Yeah, you just steal it.

You have to.

We get back in the car.

I jump in the back seat.

As soon as we shut the doors, a broomstick handle comes

through the top of the convertible.

No fucking way.

Yeah, you don't fuck with rugby guys, especially older

ones that are like 40 years old.

They said not.

They said not today.

It's not happening.

And I jumped in the back seat.

And before I knew it, they reached in.

And I was from the back seat on the gravel.

In less than a second.

Through the top?

No, not through the top.

Through the quarter glass?

Yeah, through the quarter glass.

I was ripped out of the car.

And these dudes are pummeling us.

Like straight up pummeling us.

And as they were pummeling us, they realized that we were

like high school kids.

Luckily, my buddy had a bumper sticker that said give

blood, play rugby on it.

So they were like, wait a second.

You guys play rugby?

Yeah, we do.

We play for Montini Catholic High School.

And they were like, what the fuck are you doing?

And we're like, stealing a keg?

Yeah, we're stealing kegs out here.

What do you mean?

We're just dumb.

So anyways, the law enforcement part comes in is that they

showed up.

We got trespassing tickets.

And we had to come back and fucking paint.

They still pressed charges or whatever after you played

rugby and shit?

They did.

We got trespassing tickets.

They were like $25.

Not a big deal.

But we ended up agreeing that we'd come back and paint the

fucking clubhouse or whatever the shit it was.

But the moral of the story is my buddy just got a brand new

convertible top on his 95 cutler.

Room stick went through the top of it.

And I remember getting pulled out.

And we were sitting there.

We're kind of like sitting on the gravel parking lot, arms

behind our backs.

And I looked over and he was like, fuck, dude, my dad's

going to be so bad.

Imagine telling your parents that.

He just got a replay.

I felt so bad for him.

Built-in roll bar?

Yeah, it had a built-in roll bar.

I remember it was like.

They only came in red, probably.

Meru.

No, it was like weird green color metallic green.

And it had the tan roof.

And yeah, it felt.

That was some fucking unit.

I felt so bad for him.

Didn't know what fetish I had one of those.

Where's that sunbird?

No, Doug Feldman.

Ferty Feldman.

You imagine, we talk about this all the time.

Now we're getting older and we've got kids that are the age

to be doing the same stupid shit that we talk about on

this podcast if we were doing.

And I think about times like, you fix things and the stories

are like, wait, wait a second.

You're telling me that new fucking convertible top

that we just put on that car.

What happened?

A broom?

You got to be fucking kidding me.

It was a broom stick.

You were doing what?

And a leg.

Dude's fucking.

This guy's name was Bryce.

He was from the UK.

He was a bad motherfucker.

I just remember.

He played tackle soccer.

I don't know how bad ass he is.

And he was 40 then.

He's fucking old as shit now.

So I don't give a fuck about talking about it.

I don't know.

Even 60-year-old Bryce probably could kick the fucking ass.

Yeah.

Pretty good stories.

Still a little hung up on yours.

Just the ending.

The ending was twisted.

Cover band or regimen?

It's going to be straight to me.

It wasn't that twisted.

It wasn't that always did that to that fucking Bob Johnson.

Yeah.

That's how I mentioned it.

Like a brick bat.

I did.

Oh, shit.

Next up.

We got good guys' questions.

Good guys' presented questions.

Right?

You're doing the PCH.

Right?

1,500 miles up the coast of California.

North to south, south to north.

Don't care.

You choose.

You're in a car.

CD is stuck in the CD player for the entire trip.

What is the CD that you hope is stuck in there?

I'll go.

You can twist this, too.

You don't have to tell the truth.

You can shift it to change the narrative about maybe

your story for this.

So feel free to change what my outlook is on you right now.

I thought we're all about full transparency, John.

You can also do that.

I remember this is a safe space.

But it will come back.

There's no judgment here.

Yes.

I've learned from the days of wearing hugs.

Yes.

Completely judgment-free.

No judgment.

This is the planet fitness.

Hey.

I want to apologize for greatness.

All right, Phil, what do you get?

You ever heard of the band, The Band?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, just listen to the Last Waltz live album.

There's the last show in the late 70s.

Great fucking album.

Yep.

There's a lot.

It's like, they've got one good song.

That's the Take a Load Off.

Yeah, The Weight.

The Weight.

But if you listen to the live album,

it's pretty fucking good.

It's like a lot of good country rock.

Really?

Yeah, you could throw that down there and get about 30 songs.

It's a little cross between CCR and Skinnerd.

CCR, Skinnerd, little highwaymen, maybe.

That is what live album is that?

Is that for a little bit of a cheat code?

Yeah.

Well, you get all the greatest hits.

Is it a great one?

Yeah, you kind of know what you're going to get.

And you get a little bit of everything.

I don't know that reference.

I just listened to it.

It's fucking phenomenal.

The Band.

That's a good one.

The Last Waltz Live Album.

That's a good one.

Here we go.

Be honest and truthful.

You don't have to go to me first.

This is going to be some fucking tattoo.

Bullshit.

I don't know if you or yours or Andrew

is going to be more disappointing.

Insinc.

I think he's going to have a banger.

I listened to a little bit.

NSX.

Do you want to go first?

I'll go first.

In excess.

The Band that nobody can name a song from in excess.

In excess.

Like, who were they?

What did they sing?

I remember the logo on the CD.

We all remember the CD, but what the fuck?

Can you name a song?

No.

It's all sucked.

You guys know King of Pop.

Oh, Michael.

Just saw the movie.

Yeah.

Great fucking movie.

Great movie.

Yeah.

To be stuck listening to that over and over.

Which album?

Exactly.

I can't pick that.

You have to, because that's a question.

Dude.

Where can you?

It's bad.

Somebody's paying attention.

You can just be like, I burned.

I burned a CD with all his greatest hits.

What if I do all the greatest hits?

Name the three that are on there.

Which one?

The three songs that are on the greatest hits album

that you burned.

Yeah, top three.

Top three songs.

Oh, shit.

Oh, my god.

I feel like you're not actually in it.

Man in the mirror?

Man in the mirror is a good one.

It's not going to be my top three.

Really?

It's not my third.

Sweet home Alabama.

Bad?

No, dude.

What are you talking about?

Third of the.

Billie Jean.

No.

Thriller.

No.

It's going to be.

Scream.

What's the?

Scream?

Is it?

No.

What was the white?

Oh, that was a.

It's all white.

Two of us?

Him and Janet, Jackson.

Him and Janet.

What the hell was that music video?

It was always on when we were kids.

90.

You just reminded me of things I didn't want to remember.

What fucking, what song is that?

You know what I'm talking about.

It's all black and white now.

It is Scream.

It's Scream.

It's a weird video.

Black and white.

It's another good.

Black and white.

The two of us.

OK.

Ben, when he was talking about his little mouse.

I don't know if you.

I don't think you.

I don't think the Michael Jackson we know is the same one

that you're thinking of.

Well, there's different.

You're there's different eras of Michael, right?

Yeah, I know.

Just like there's different eras of the Roaster Shop

chassis where we're using heights, DSE and now ours.

I take back my over-served statement.

This is the first time I've seen it.

All right, so give me.

Give me two more.

You gave one.

I want to understand this era of Michael Jackson.

Because I'm a fan.

I'm a big fan.

Black or white.

What was the weirdo Yankevich?

Everybody about us.

That's fat.

Fat.

I'm fat.

You know the song?

Everybody.

Sing it.

I don't care what they really say about us.

What was the AID song?

Beat Me.

You guessed it.

I'm a world.

Some obscure Michael Jackson.

I know the song.

That's probably number one.

So you're more like a John Lennon Yoko Ono fan

that you are a Beatles fan.

Yeah.

That's what you're getting at.

Deep cuts.

Deep cuts only.

Are you dancing?

While driving?

I mean, I could.

Only 90s Joel.

I can't move on.

Piano man.

Hey, moving on.

Yeah.

Andrew.

Fish.

No.

Really?

No.

I took a shot.

Probably Dogs by Pink Floyd would be one of them.

If I want to get halfway up the coast before a song ends.

These are like 20 fucking minutes each time.

You're not a fish fan at all?

No, not really.

Damn it.

I had a bit big money on that.

But either that or Good Kid Mad City by Kendrick.

That's Kendrick Lamar.

It's two entirely different worlds there.

But I will listen to that album.

She's been around for a while.

Kendrick Lamar?

That's a female?

That's a guy.

Oh, you said Kendra.

It's hip hop rapper.

Kendrick.

They said Kendra Lamar.

Kendrick Lamar.

Sounds like a basketball player.

It's a good album.

It does.

But that sounds bad.

You saying that sounds bad.

I like that, though.

If I listened to the first song, I listened to the whole album.

There's no skipping it unless I get to my destination.

Kendrick Lamar or Ye.

Ye.

Fuck.

Ye.

I was listening to Graduation On The Way Home.

What did you just say?

It's like, Ye.

Kanye.

Ye.

It's like a sneeze.

I know.

That's what it goes by now, Ye.

Is that that's kind of you?

Don't try to be not fucking hip, dude.

Yeah, he's on it.

Ye's boss.

Everybody knows Ye's boss.

I'd say Kendra.

Josh, which were you at on this one?

We have a question.

CD.

We talked about it last time.

Yeah, they could change.

I know.

At that point, it was Hank Jr. Greatest Hits.

Just because that's the thing that you can sing along the whole time.

It doesn't matter what song comes on.

Hank Jr. could sing 300,000 songs.

And one pops up.

You're like, oh, I fucking know every word of this one.

And sing along.

But yeah, probably CCR be hard not to go with.

Skinner too.

Skinner's got.

Skinner's a great album because of a Skinner's Greatest Hits album

because it can put you in every mood.

So you want to get down, get down.

You want a slow, valid, long, valid, nine minute long song.

Yeah, I feel like give me three steps.

Oh, give me like Phil pointed out.

Don't give me two.

Give me three.

Greatest Hits.

Swamp music.

It's a Chico.

Swamp.

Swamp music.

I got a big Hank Jr. kick of like early Hank Jr.

You know, when he was there trying to like four beard, pre beard.

Well, they were trying to push him like a senior.

They were trying to keep senior alive before he heard his face.

Yeah, I hurt my face.

And I got a I started getting like I'm being serious.

That's there's a timeline.

I said that's that's like my jam to find early Hank Jr.

records because there's a lot of like shit you've never heard that.

And he wailed back in the day, but it's totally different.

Hank Jr. than, you know, all my rowdy friends are coming over to dinosaur,

though, like dinosaur era.

I mean, I love both.

Hank Jr. is too completely different people.

Yeah, too completely different.

But dinosaur dinosaur era.

Oh, Deden Denver might be my number one.

Oh, Deden Denver is good.

Josh, I like the Leonard Skinner pull.

Skinner's not like sweet home, Alabama bullshit.

No, I'm good.

There's southern southern fucking rock.

Curtis Low muscle shows like, oh, yeah.

There's so many good ass good pull.

Yeah, Skinner's because you can be in all different moods,

genres, you can get a little you little feisty.

You can be a little fucking little sad and tired.

I'm sad about that dumb bitch that left.

And then there's there's the oh, you know what?

I'm gonna punch that bitch in the face.

Yeah, Skinner's a good one because he's down for for it for whatever.

What about you?

I know everybody knows Eminem.

Of course, it's Eminem.

It's not him.

Luda.

Ludo.

Pastor Troy.

I know.

And just on that on loop.

Going off of 311.

Warn G.

Or regulators.

They don't like regulators.

There wasn't enough good songs.

Yeah, no, it's just like going off of your.

You could be in any mood.

I'd go with probably dispatch the gut.

The man CD. Wow.

Dispatch.

You know that.

You know, dispatch.

The general.

Yeah, yeah.

General bang.

It's like saying.

Really?

You're a sublime.

It's a jam.

Oh, oh, we are.

It's like sublime.

Well, it's so ish.

They got it's chill.

But there's all reggae rap.

No, little Jack Johnson ish.

Yeah.

Dispatch is.

You know, I don't really know.

You know, Jack Johnson.

I don't.

I swear I don't.

What's the display?

The general. Yeah.

Or the what's the quote?

No, no, no, two coins, coins.

The great orcs.

Dispatch.

You know, a couple that are a little more rap over acoustic ish.

Yeah, it's a good jam.

But it's definitely it spreads the gauntlet of all different types.

OK, but it keeps you in a vibe.

It's a chill vibe across the board.

It's good.

It's Birkenrock.

It's what?

Right.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

That's all I needed to know.

It's no, it's not Dave Matthews band, Hemp Necklace.

No, not that.

But no, it's yeah, that's a different.

I would have. Yeah, that's a different.

But Birkenrock is.

Yeah, like I go to that or maybe

George Strait was at 50 number ones.

Yeah, because you could just sing every song for 50 songs.

Yeah, yeah, good one.

Yeah, George Strait.

Good. I got one.

You could listen to Jerry sing.

They sing a song about the heart.

We touch on that.

He would.

We're not going to give it to him.

No, he missed it.

We're not giving it to him.

And I'm a Saturday night.

I mean, Wayland was yours before.

What is it now?

If you had to pick tonight, you're in your in LA.

You're in LA, you're hitting suns going down and.

You're in the Tesla, but in the PSH.

Hmm.

Cyber.

I'll tell you, I think right now,

cheat a mode the whole way.

What am I doing?

We're just we're cruising.

This is what we're doing.

We're cruising on cruise.

PCA.

So it's a chill vibe.

You can be whatever vibe you want to be.

PCA is a long way.

It's like, yeah, it's six o'clock there now.

So I mean, you got nighttime.

Open that big bitch up before you get to Big Sur.

Hmm.

I'm trying to think here.

You know, and I'd probably I would I would go on Spotify

and I would put it on radio and I'd probably go James Brown

radio and then just put it on shuffle.

Good poll.

Yeah.

Good cheat code.

Yeah.

Throw it on shuffle.

Because nobody knows every name of the song of James Brown,

but you want to listen to some James Brown.

You get a little Sam Cook.

You get a little Otis Redding and all that.

You know, that kind of like little pre-motown maybe issue.

Yeah.

Kind of get that vibe rolling.

That might be a better pivot to best CD versus what podcast

or a playlist or.

Yeah, what's the.

Yeah.

What do you put in?

Where does it go?

We'll change to that one before next question.

Quick little James Brown story.

I mean, the one you saw him when you're living in America.

I mean, the one year college that I was.

Loud to go to and a couple buddies of mine were from Augusta.

Right.

I was in North Georgia to Coa Falls area.

They're in the Augusta area.

We go down to Augusta there to see their family hang out for the weekend.

Right.

You know, you're friends like, oh, let's go back home.

You come back with me.

Right.

Go there.

We go see a movie one night.

We're walking into the movie.

James Brown's from Augusta.

Right.

This is this is like 23 years before he dies.

Right.

James Brown, a lady on each arm.

He's coming out of the movies.

I'm like, oh, shit, that's James Brown.

He turns like, I'm James Brown.

That's fucking cool.

I was I was 18 years old.

I thought that was the coolest fucking thing that was really cool.

I'm like, sure is.

That's James fucking Brown.

I'm better sound effects.

James Brown or DMX?

DMX.

I'm a DMX can make some fucking sound effects.

I'm a big James Brown fan.

I got a shit ton of James Brown vinyl.

I really dig James Brown.

Big fan.

Under not doesn't give enough credit.

James Brown overshadows.

Little Richard was pretty fucking cool.

Little Richard.

Well, I don't know that I'd say he's cool.

He's got some hits.

There's some cool shit there.

He's got a little Prince ish, like an early Prince vibe.

But he was Prince ish in the 50s.

Yeah, which Prince is not not real, like accepted.

Well, no, Prince ish shit wasn't accepted in the 50s.

But it was fucking cool.

We'll have you on the makeup, but some cool shit.

Next up.

This is poignant to you guys because of how many shows you've all been to.

What is a new word?

This is the second time you've used it on this podcast.

Poignant.

Do you know what it means?

To you.

Sort of important.

Yeah, it's specific to you.

Right.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

It's not a word I would use.

I figured it out.

Assholes poignant to you.

Prince is well.

Meaning how it is specifically to you.

You use it in a sentence so I can understand.

Can you spell it?

Here's the other one.

Spell that.

Spell it, please.

P O I N.

There's a G.

I A N T.

There's a G.

The Y is not a G.

There's a G.

A silent J.

The G is in there.

I spelled it correctly.

There's a G.

I know I spelled it.

There's not a G or a J.

I just don't like it.

I don't.

It's P O's eyes in A's in T.

I'd rather you know not use that word.

Here's a question that's more specific to you guys.

You know, it sounds much better.

Let's chat G.

D. P.

Ish.

All right.

Yeah, it does.

It looks like it sounds like one of the fancy word.

Poignant's not a fancy word.

Fancy word.

It's not fancy.

Fancy than you.

It's fancier than you.

Alabama.

It's fancy.

Yeah, shit.

Yeah.

How are you even say it with an Alabama accent?

You can't.

It doesn't.

It doesn't work because people don't

say it down there.

I was listening to this man, the CCR,

and I thought, you know what's poignant to this conversation?

No, it said no one ever.

I don't like you.

You love me.

So I'm going to use an asshole in a sentence.

You are an asshole.

That just kind of rolls off the top, doesn't it?

Good guys.

Specific standard question.

This is a good guy submitted.

Out of all the shows and events that you guys have been to,

what is the one that comes up every year

that you still look forward to?

What's the one that has a memory or a lasting impression

or that you look forward to doing for whatever reason?

For me, it's always Des Moines.

Des Moines.

Yeah, it's a good show.

You know it's pronounced Des Moines.

Des Moines.

Everybody knows it's Des Moines.

It's true.

I forgot.

I'm originally discovered by the Germans.

Is it?

The German rugby team knows over here.

Tackle soccer too.

Tackle soccer.

But yeah, no, I always love Des Moines.

It's the exact halfway point to my parents.

So they come up for that one.

And like we said, you stay downtown,

you're 10 minutes from the entry.

There's fireworks.

It's a good show.

Otherwise, I love the Texas show just

because I get to go back and see.

I'd say see friends.

Half my friends have moved and some are up here now.

So it's cool.

So basically, all these are about you.

Whatever it is for you.

And to go back to your favorite show is.

OK, back to Des Moines.

Aren't they all?

Yeah, well, yeah.

But with Des Moines, the cruising is awesome

because you can sit.

I mean, we're right on that corner.

You can be hanging out and entertaining with people.

And you get to see your cruising.

You don't have to go walk the whole thing

to see what's going on.

Texas earlier or Texas late?

Texas late for sure.

Yeah, the fall show is always a good one.

The spring is always.

It's weather

that I'm here in Texas is a baby chicken.

Does that make the show?

No, babes are hard eight.

I live down there and that's he talks so much

about hard eight.

So it's like the hardest rookie barb and it is the the the hardest

part.

The hardest part of living.

He doesn't like growing up.

Or and doing to Texas show was how bad traffic used to be.

Yeah.

But it's like, I want to show you guys fucking good stuff.

And not to say it hard eight bad, but it's not like the good

Texas barbecue.

So like we ended up doing trying to think everyone's

there.

Yeah, we did Panther City barbecue.

Was it good?

That was always my favorite place.

I'm asking you guys.

Ask an urban.

You've had both.

It was good.

However, I will go to Roanoke because I have my choice

between babes and hard eight.

Yeah.

I don't have to.

It's a convenience.

You do you do you.

Texas guys do get a little bit like snobby on the thing of like,

well, if you if you can't if you're not driving three and a half

hours out into the middle of the wilderness and waiting in line

seven hours, then it's not good barbecue.

Well, have you ever experienced that?

Yeah.

With who?

Where?

For Franklins in Austin.

Yeah.

I feel like Franklins.

Where does Terry Blacks land with all this?

Is that up there?

I think Terry Blacks is great.

Yeah.

We did a lot of eating in the week we were in Austin.

Yeah.

And Terry Blacks was good.

Panther City's good.

I thought I was doing something.

I'm like, I'm going to call them in advance.

I'm going to call catering.

We're going to have this shit all figured out.

And I call Heath.

And he's like, oh, I built that guy a car.

Let me text him.

And then it just like, he took care of it.

And it was fine.

We get there.

Everything was handled.

But yeah, it's just that that place is super good.

You know what's under, like you talk about Texas barbecue

and talk about all that crap.

Everybody's Green Street Meats in West Loop.

Green Streets.

It's really fucking good.

It's up there.

Because I've been to Babes.

What's the heartate into?

Been to Terry Blacks.

Green Street Meats in the West Loop on Green Street.

Yeah.

Green Street.

It is fucking good.

Kind of you go through the alleyway.

Yeah.

And they got vinyl.

It's the vinyl smithing.

It's a weird spot, but it's good.

It's solid.

I mean, it's up there.

You wouldn't know it's like, you know,

it doesn't feel like Chicago barbecue.

It's very good.

It's like a strong industrial kind of weird part of the spot.

The space is killer.

And it's got that little, like, weird Italian place

at the end of that little alleyway.

Kind of like a brick-paved alleyway.

That's a cool spot.

Irvin, what about you?

Favorite show?

You've only had 15 minutes while he's

talking to think about it.

No, because he took Texas, man.

You can take Texas, too?

Listen, Irvin, if Texas is not your favorite show,

it's not a one and done.

It can be your favorite.

One black thing not to steal from you, but real quick.

Is it because you get to be reunited with Zach?

Before I worked here, I would always drive up and hang out

at the host hotel.

And Irvin had just gone.

He went to In-N-Out and Whataburger

and was eating both back and forth on the tailgate.

Doesn't look like any comparison.

I'm trying to figure out which one he liked better.

And I felt like he was going to cry,

because he was just like, In-N-Out does not live up

to the hype, but In-N-Out is leaps and bounds

above Whataburger.

Neither all day long.

Whataburger's like a shitty McDonald's hamburger.

Whataburger is fifth in a list of four fast food restaurants.

This is going to go well for all the Texas guys.

I mean, neither one of those.

I could die without eating either of those.

No, if you picked for fast food, Whataburger,

I mean, In-N-Out is pretty high up the chain

as far as fast food.

I'd agree with that.

Well, I'm going to say good guys, Dallas Fall Show.

And primarily because all of the builders, all

the relationships that we have out there, they're very strong.

And it's like hanging out with family when you go.

So between there, Des Moines is another good one,

but Dallas is going to always be my number one.

You think that's ever because everything's your Mexican?

Oh, they 100% think I'm Mexican, probably.

I could see that.

So in the Texas thing, it's kind of like family.

Well, Familia, right?

Familia.

Yeah, you should probably tell the Bernie.

Shinerbock on tap is pretty incredible.

It is.

I'll let you tell the what.

What is it?

The Bernie story.

We had a bunch of gentlemen from Mexico

flying one day to the showroom.

They showed up with a suitcase full of cash.

I remember this.

And they walked in, and they only spoke Spanish.

And Bernie, remember Bernie Nelson?

Yeah.

She walked out of Bernie.

Those were the guys carrying the nine milliliters

with the scorpions engraved on them.

Yes, exactly.

With the pointed toe.

Yeah, the pointed cowboy toes.

Cowboy toes, yeah.

And I think everybody's got the picture.

Bernie walked up, and she said, can I help you gentlemen?

And they said, I can't speak Spanish.

So they said something in Spanish.

And she goes, hold on one sec.

She goes, hey, Irvin, these gentlemen only speak Spanish.

Can you help them, please?

Do you speak Spanish?

No.

Not even a little.

Forcibly not.

It was a little sort of discrimination.

Yeah.

And that's why we fired her ass.

And that's why she doesn't work.

And we don't put up with that shit.

No.

We do not put up with it.

We do not.

We do.

We don't.

But anyways, Irvin did his best.

He sold him four four-door RS4R Broncos.

Actually, he did.

He sold an RS4R Bronco.

Shout out Oscar Rodriguez, Mexico City.

Good job, Irv.

And all.

And hey, in her defense, come on.

Dude, everybody's watching.

My whole life, I've experienced that.

I mean, Vinny, love you.

Vinny's Hot Rods.

You and I have talked about this in great detail.

We all are brothers.

Yes, we are.

Oh, Vinny's quick.

Completely Mexican.

Like, you know, hold on.

We got another story from a good guy's Texas show.

He looks like fucking Hector.

He's a, I mean, again, yes.

I think both me and Irvin are darker than Vinny.

Vinny's a little light-complexed.

For sure.

You remember standing outside babes?

Oh, Jesus.

This guy was pacing back and forth trying to read a text

message.

He goes up to everybody and he goes, hey,

can you translate this for me?

Irvin's like, obviously not Mexican or Hispanic,

but trying to translate the guy's text message.

You tried?

He tried.

He didn't even say I'm not.

He just went for it.

He went for it.

And that's honest Irv.

When you're branded, you're representing the Roachershop,

right?

You want to be like, I'll try.

So you want to help.

Yeah.

So that's what I'm trying to do.

I'm trying to help.

You could also whooped his ass and said,

this is from Roachershop.

You racist motherfucker.

I don't speak Spanish.

That's also branded.

When our shop was in Elgin, Elgin's predominantly

Mexican, Hispanic, and everywhere we went,

we would be waiting in line and going to lunch.

And they'd speak to everybody in English.

And then they'd, me, Mexican.

Yeah, you're a little tante.

It was in summertime.

It was Spanish, when you were darker.

Yeah, right.

We've got it.

Everybody got it.

Yeah.

Favorite show, Smut.

Tough one.

Texas is a good show.

There's a lot of good builders out there.

That last spring show we did, a lot of good memories

from that show.

There's plenty of times we've spent

in the lobby of the Crown Plaza.

Yeah.

I got some good stories from that show.

But yeah, Dallas, Texas is a good show.

I'm surprised nobody's brought up SEMA.

You've all had Texas good guys shows.

I'm working there.

Is this Good Guys, Best Good Guys show?

No, it's a best show together.

Good Guys presented the question, but they want all shows.

I'll categorize the Good Guys show.

So we do Dallas, Texas every year, spring and fall,

great show, hanging out with the builders.

We've had a great time, especially with the Texas crew.

The last one in the spring was a great show.

We hung out with Cruz, Smitty's, Mike Rutter, Levi from Hammerfair.

That Crown parking lot has gotten some work.

Yeah, it's kind of died down a little bit, to be honest with you.

Really?

Yeah, five years ago.

JSK, Allen.

That used to be it.

Ronnie Allen from A&R.

Murray's Boys, Gulesby's usually there.

There's a whole bunch of builders out there.

I remember sitting there at the bar with Ben from Roseville,

who's from California.

He brought out a car.

I don't remember what it was.

But seeing with his customer, Ami,

he bought a bottle of McKellen, 18 year.

And that turned into sitting with every single builder

that was from Texas in that area, sitting at the bar

and doing mystery drinks.

We had the bartender bringing up little buckets of ice

with a blanket over it.

You had to reach in and pull out a beer.

It could have been a Smirnoff ice.

It could have been a Zima.

It could have been a Wish-Gee PA.

That screams feeling good in the morning.

Yeah, it was terrible, but great at the same time.

So Texas, good guys.

Spring or Fall is always a great show

to hang out with the builders.

Des Moines is a great show.

Probably the best family show, I think, for good guys.

Columbus is the rock star show.

That show is great for us.

I love being with the team.

We go out there.

We present.

It's like our home show.

It's our home show.

Yeah, yeah.

We've talked about it plenty of times.

For me, as much work as it is.

It's a fucking shit done.

SEMA is by far the show for us.

I mean, the amount of time we spend out there,

the amount of effort the team puts in

from everyone in the company.

And just being out there representing

and being here for almost nine years,

the first SEMA I did, we had a very small booth

up in the South Hall.

Yeah.

20 up by the tires.

2018, right?

I don't even think we had a U standing there, not us.

Yeah, you guys weren't there.

This shit will not do.

This is, this will not work.

I think we had a backdrop.

It was a fucking backdrop.

We didn't even have a chassis.

Me and Phil went to fucking Joann's fabrics in West Vegas

to get the backdrops.

I remember a customer coming.

I remember a customer coming up and being like,

what are you doing here?

What the fuck?

Yeah, what are you?

Why are you guys not down in the main hall?

Dude, you just wait five years from now.

We're going to show you.

SEMA has changed tremendously because I see,

you see, full disclosure, it sort of irritated me, right?

Because you'd see some new, well, a lot.

You see some new vendors pop up and boom,

right in the hot red alley.

Right alley, like, how the fuck did that happen?

Like, we put 34 years of just 15 years in the industry.

Yeah, but we had to produce up there.

You got taken care of.

It's handled now.

It's great.

We're fucking in.

Well, the great thing for me on the sales team

is every year it got bigger, right?

So we'd go and then we'd have a new chassis.

OK, smaller booth, but we got some to the shell.

We're excited.

We're pumped.

And then the next year, we're doing a 40 by 20.

Fuck.

We're fucking big down now.

We got the four by four chassis.

And then the next year after that,

we got the 60 by 20 maybe or something.

We got the.

50 by 30.

Does the OBS low pro?

No, for that, we did the Grand National and the OBS

low pro during the COVID years.

And it kept building and building.

So back to what I said at the beginning

is working for a company where there's something exciting

to look forward to.

It's a lot of work.

It's a lot of stress, anxiety,

but every department's involved.

And then we good and bad get to be the face of that.

We get to show up.

We get to set up the booth.

We get to be there.

It's a lot of work, but it's exciting because I don't want

to work for a fucking company that's not

proud of what they do.

So we get to show up.

We get to set up the booth.

It's a lot of work, but we get to show off what we do.

And it's exciting.

And pushing the envelope.

Yeah, pushing the envelope.

It's exciting to be a part of that.

And I don't think there's many people that can.

You see the other booths.

I'm not shitting on anyone, but you see the same stuff

over here.

You see steering racks, steering bogs.

There's a whole bunch of shit.

The first time I saw the Fox body display, like, holy shit.

How was that even a thing that was thought of and made?

And just having that out there?

But then someone's like, what company

did you hire to make that?

Fucking hire a company like Michael Bryan.

Fucking psychopath.

Made that out of his brain.

And he's unbelievable.

Full transparency.

He said it couldn't be done.

And then, like, 11.

Everybody else said it couldn't be done in the engineering team.

This was another one of my ideas that everybody said

cannot fucking be done.

Michael Bryan was the one who said, I'll do it.

And he just did it.

Start to fucking finish.

Took it on.

Not only did he design it.

He tacked it.

But he fucking built it.

And when I say psychopath, he didn't even paint it.

Yeah.

Week.

Didn't paint it.

When I should have finished it.

When I say psychopath.

When I say psychopath, I mean, that's

Yeah, he said.

That's a term of endearment.

Mike took on the challenge.

It's like, we knew what we wanted.

We saw it.

We wanted this.

Had this vision of this thing.

And you know, you know it could be done.

And Mike was the only one who rose to the occasion.

And he knew how to tackle it.

And he did.

And he fucking knocked it out of the park.

Well, in another like feel good moment,

we talked about this on the last one with the fab guys.

I complimented them on Columbus time.

There's something so special and heartwarming and great

about the we're pushing to get vehicles built for Columbus.

And there's no, that's a time that generally, like,

stress is heightened.

And it can be tension.

But it's like you fall into the groove and everybody and they

rise to the occasion.

They thrive.

They're better in those stressful environments.

And everybody's ready to get that shit done.

The same thing goes to be said about,

needs to be said about SEMA and entire organization wide,

right, from the hot rod shop, fab shop, chassis shop,

engineering, sales guys, design, photography.

Like we're hitting it on so many different levels.

And things are so fucking fast.

And it's very difficult to be like, hey,

this is a new thing.

That's an idea.

Let's gather everybody up and let everybody know that this is

something that's happening.

And then along the way, feel everybody, it just can't happen.

So everybody being nimble, like, hey, oh, by the way,

the thing that we talked about yesterday,

scratch that complete polar opposite.

We're going a different direction.

This is what's happening.

And it's always the same across all departments,

across all employees.

It's like, OK, no problem.

So what needs to be done?

What's the thing?

When do I need to have this done?

I can handle this.

I can do this.

All the way up to SEMA, doing the display.

It shows up.

There's never been like, oh, man, this sucks.

It'd be a way better way to do this.

We can do it.

It's just, hey, what are we doing?

What's the plan?

OK, we're doing this.

Do this.

All the way to the party.

Hey, this thing, thing.

I look at all you guys, right?

We go through the checklist.

Hey, this going to be handled?

It's simple.

I know that you guys think you might take it for granted.

Don't take it for granted, because it is a very big thing,

especially for me being OCD.

But all three of us, very controlling and making sure

everything's done in the right way, when it's like, hey,

these trophies, these belts, these awards, this box,

I labeled it this way, these box, blah, blah.

And it's just simple.

Oh, yeah, we got it.

And then we can leave.

All right, we're going to meet you in two hours.

It's going to be there.

And you know it's going to be done.

It's going to be handled.

And then you go in there.

You've done the thing.

These go to there.

It's like, believe it or not, I've never played pro football.

But I would assume it's like Irving's fucking shocked.

I know.

I could see it.

No, I'd like to see the athleticism.

And you talked about it with York and Spencer and the Coda.

Well, I mean, he talks about kicking so high, right?

Well, he can kick.

I will attest to that.

He can kick.

Well, you know what?

I know.

Put a little respect on it.

You better put a little respect on it.

I'll talk a lot of shit.

I'll take every opportunity to knock him down.

But he can kick to the fucking moon.

Put a little respect on it.

There is respect there.

However.

You think you can kick high?

I think that we should do a company-wide athleticism

challenge.

I don't know.

Or spelling challenge.

Dude, you've seen it.

You saw the videos.

Let's start with poignant.

Yeah.

I already spelled it once.

They're correct way.

Let's start and end with poignant.

Let's just get rid of poignant.

P-O-I-G-N-A-N-T.

It's got a G-N-G.

In person, it curse.

I'm wrong.

I knew there was a silent letter in there somewhere.

You didn't even know what it looked like.

I told you.

I said there was a silent letter.

I thought it was maybe a wire.

Right here.

I didn't know it was a G.

There's a G in it.

Josh, I am wrong all the time.

That's a flower.

But hey.

I don't think that's the right word.

Look, you go back to it.

You were on an interesting point.

And you were making a sports reference, which I'll make

the same.

It's like you're on the Patriots.

Yeah.

When it comes time for when it is SEMA time or Good Guys

Columbus, it's 90s championship bulls.

Everybody's functioning.

Everybody's fucking rolling.

All cylinders firing.

And it's my favorite.

That's probably what I live for.

When that stops, I'll probably just fade off into the fucking

sunset, because that's what fuels you.

To see adrenaline rush, it's this driving under the pressure

and doing the things.

And this has to be done.

It's all it is problem solving.

Every day is problem solving.

Do this.

And then even in we're all our own worst enemies, because

it's like, oh, we could do that.

Well, that seemed very easily, because there's no problems

with that.

Well, how can we turn that up a notch and make that more

difficult?

We're not happy with it unless you make it more difficult.

You find your threshold, and then you push it.

Push it.

It's like, oh, we did that.

That was achievable.

So they said the capacity was that?

We could probably fit a couple more in there.

What if we do a mezzanine and we put them up top?

What if we do that?

I think that's our secret sauce.

I'd like everyone's worried about letting that out of the bag,

but you can't duplicate that.

The team that we have and the guys that put in that insane

extra effort, try to duplicate that.

You can't.

We've got such an incredible group of people here that just

rise to that occasion and make that shit happen.

No, there's authentic.

It's real.

From the, I mean, there's so much,

staying on the seamapath.

Like, you get there on this date.

We're going to, hey, there is no, like, when do you think

we're going to be done?

Or do you think we can get this done?

It's done when it's done, right?

And then there isn't.

Ever a time where it's like a group of people standing by

where you're like, everybody's looking for that.

Well, that's dirty.

Well, that could be lined up.

Well, I could do this.

I don't like this.

I can train these wires.

And without any communication, it's just because you're

bought in.

Everybody knows the standard.

So everybody's doing the standard.

It's so much easier when everybody sees the standard

with even willing employees.

We're like, all right, we've got 10 guys that are willing

to do whatever.

But you've got to tell them what to do.

Everybody just knows what to do.

And they know what to make it.

All the way through to doing the party to Tuesday night,

we're looking at all these different cars.

Everybody's going back and forth looking at all this stuff.

Seems simple.

But toting around them 40-something best on our S

things and manhandling those.

And then sometimes we've got.

But everybody steps up and does it.

Sometimes we've got the badging to be in places that we

should.

Sometimes we don't.

Sometimes we've got to bullshit the security guards

and say, we're going to do this.

And everybody just.

Crazy lady shows up to the party and you've got to fucking

calm her down.

Sometimes Phil gets in a fight with a woman.

Sometimes he gets screamed out of a boo with that semen.

You were talking about Josh or you?

There's a little bit of both on that one.

Phil got screamed out.

And then we had to go back and take the screaming to them.

Josh tried to remedy.

And I think he was just sort of backfired a little bit.

The one I'm thinking of?

No.

Is it different?

No, that's what you're thinking of.

If we could see each other through something,

it would be that one.

Last?

But not really.

Kind of like it.

I think that's still around.

That's still.

Yeah.

The important thing is that.

Fuck Troy.

I feel like SEMA, everyone plays a part, right?

Everyone cares.

And that's a big deal.

And the second we lose that is when you start to lose people.

Right?

Now these guys don't give a fuck.

Like we're just showing up.

We're doing our thing.

But that's not the case.

There's an energy that you just can't match.

I mean, I see it when you guys are there.

It feels like you're talking about Mel Gibson and Braveheart.

That it feels like as when the booth is set up

and it is like the morning of like the SEMA shows going to war.

It feels like like you guys are fucking ready to roll.

Like everybody that sales staffs charged up.

What everybody's charged up.

Doesn't hurt when when there's like 350 people lined up

ready to charge the booth to like last year.

What are you doing?

It does seem like Braveheart because they're about to.

What's the thing where you where they put them in the thing

and they chopped his head off?

The guillotine.

Guillotine.

You just felt that.

Put me in the guillotine.

Guilleton.

It's got L's in it.

Guilleton.

Yeah.

G-U-I-L-L-I-T-I-A-N.

Galician?

I think that was it.

I'm pretty sure it's right.

I mean, this may sound cheesy, but I

feel like our scene was like yelling the freedom, right?

It's like, yeah, I still don't think it has a G.

Fucking freedom.

Like, let's go.

We worked hard for this.

Maybe other people don't see that, but we show up.

We do the work.

That's the difference, man.

I see even when we're setting up the booth.

I see what's going on at the show and you watch people set.

And it's like, I walk around sometimes and I see stuff

and I'm like, it's depressing to see some people's effort

and just like, how you do something is how you do everything.

Who said that?

You said that?

John York said that.

Did he?

I feel like you've said it before.

I know.

I've copied it from you.

OK, well, it's time for him to get his credit.

Right.

But you see a lot of people just sort of going through the motions

and just like lethargically like there's fucking boxes

stacked to the moon.

And you're like, how the fuck are these people

going to get this booth set up?

And it's like 30 people just barely plugging away.

And we're kicking at we are fucking working.

Working double hard because of how much bad flooring we had.

Yeah.

Imagine if we were to get all good flooring.

Somebody's got to follow up.

Will and Layle that.

We'll make sure he's in little practice rounds before the show

this year.

We'll send him a sample.

I want to see practice.

I think let's get Elia on cutting a video.

I want to see somebody with a stopwatch.

Watching Will.

I don't want to see Will.

He's practicing.

He's in the lab.

He's in the gym.

I want to see Will in some like old school running shorts.

I think that's what he was wearing.

Yeah.

Let's just give him the good tiles.

Like a Rocky montage.

He got so many bad tiles.

Exactly.

We got another bad one.

I just saw you smash it.

What else we got on the same questions?

It's bad now.

Next up, we have.

Car build.

Car build is great.

I think car builds where we're at.

On bathroom break.

Man, this is like.

Well, this is a long one.

We got a three quarter bottle of Jep's in the finish.

Are we finishing it?

Yeah.

We should.

You fucking eye.

One of the last but not least standard questions.

One of Jeremy's favorite questions.

This is a build question.

This is everybody's new favorite.

We run through these.

There's favorites for a while.

And they kind of lose steam.

We move into something else.

This one carries some weight, though.

This one does.

Don't just fucking throw something out there.

Take a little time.

Think about it.

Try not to be fucking stupid.

You, no budget.

You got all.

Every dollar.

Every dollar that it's going to take, it doesn't matter.

It's untold dollars, right?

Say it's free.

Doesn't matter.

You're going to build a build, a vehicle of some sort.

Build a build.

You're going to have somebody build you a build.

What's the vehicle?

A little bit about that vehicle.

And who is building it for you?

And it can be a team.

It can be a team.

You can do a dream team.

You can do whatever.

Dream team.

Yeah.

No budget.

So whatever.

Dream build.

Those either.

Hey.

We haven't got to be.

P-1800, no.

Well, I don't like those.

The 122S, so.

Something.

You guys want to go?

I'm not there yet.

I mean, if you go no budget, you got

to build something ridiculous.

I mean, something that nobody else has built before.

You could break the internet.

Yeah.

Break the world.

And you also don't have to put like.

And build it for yourself.

Don't try to think about this to make it the right answer.

The first thing that pops in your head.

I want to know.

We really want to know what's the first thing.

Ultimately, this is for you, Tony.

Yeah.

So no budget.

You got to build something ridiculous.

Because you never have the opportunity to do it again,

right?

I mean, you could build a pretty nice hot rod

for half a million dollars, 2000000 dollars.

But that's not no budget.

Let's not just throw money away.

Let's not just be stupid with it.

I'm about to be pretty stupid.

What are you doing?

I was a kid in the 90s.

You know what the Tyco Ricochet is?

Yes.

Oh, no.

I'm an abandoned.

Radio check?

It was an RC car that had wheels bigger than the body.

So it could flip over.

So it flipped over.

Yes.

Pull up a.

Can we get a picture of this?

Pull up a commercial for the Tyco.

I didn't get internet ready.

That's the same area as the Typhoon.

Right?

Where was the Typhoon?

Early 90s?

The Hovercraft.

Yes.

And the Bandit.

The Bandit was the coolest car ever.

And it was sick.

And it was the shit.

It had sort of a Toyota mix with the brat.

It had like a, yeah.

So I think unlimited budget.

Yeah, I remember this thing.

I'm like, if you're unlimited budget,

you're basically childhood dreams, right?

What are we thinking that, right there?

So then I am building the chick from fucking weird science.

Well, she's going to be in the Tyco Ricochet for sure.

It's a vehicle.

I'm a GI Joder crepter.

That's a vehicle too.

I've always wanted to build a 34 Ford two-door sedan.

But if it's unlimited budget, I'm going Tyco Ricochet.

That's the most unique.

And we're going to fucking Saudi Arabia.

And we're fucking doing the car.

OK.

Who's building it?

Are you kidding me?

Yeah.

I am.

I owe the Roadster Shop engineering department.

OK.

Hell to build this chassis for this.

So they're engineering it.

Yeah, of course.

Noah Adam Mike.

So it's Roadster Shop chassis.

Roadster Shop chassis.

Tyco Ricochet.

The gearbox.

I think the gearbox is going to be the biggest challenge.

That's hard.

I don't know what to do on that.

Is there any suspense?

Because you're going to have to build.

Throw it out.

Your reverse gears are going to have

to be just as many as the forward gears.

If you talk to Noah, I've had this idea for double portal

axles where any skateboard chassis platform

will work for any vehicle.

So what happens when you flip that?

That's why you've got that little engineering award.

That's exactly it.

The engineering of fun.

It's the best award with the little fingers.

The thumb's on the side.

I applaud you for this because it's unique.

It's creative.

It's of our era.

I like it a lot.

And I had this fucking kid down the street

that had one of these.

And I was pissed because I really wanted one.

Really?

I couldn't get one.

But now, if I have unlimited budget, I'm building one.

And we're going to go do Dakar.

It's going to be great.

I applaud it.

And it also, it took you five seconds

to come up with that, which was impressive.

I've been thinking about this for 30 years.

He's been seriously consistent.

Yeah, since the 90s.

Says so much.

But if we're going traditional hot rod,

I'm building a 34 Ford.

Who's building it?

That's tough, man.

That's tough.

There's a lot of good builders in this industry.

I think 34 Ford, what's it in?

Two doors in the end.

Yeah.

I've always, I've always.

It's like a Bonnie and Clyde car.

34 Ford.

I don't like that car.

Yeah.

I'm going to be honest.

I'm a big.

It's a hard stance.

Yeah, I love, I'm an old school hot rod guy,

traditional hot rod guy to the fucking core.

And that's fine.

But.

Fendered hybrid.

And I like a 33 34 coupe.

But I'm not like 34.

The South City coupe that they did the stupid.

With the who's done was good.

Give me an example of there has been one.

But because I don't think it could be done.

No, it's very hard to do.

And I go back and forth between a high boy and a full fender.

But I think I'm on the full fender.

Full fender.

Uglier, the better.

Like you guys are going to hate this and make fun of me.

Like metallic brown fenders and starburst orange body.

It's going to be ugly as fuck.

But like, like, so it's 70s.

Yeah, I think if you did it, if you were to do it from like

the period of late 60s to early 70s show rods, sort of style,

I think you could be cool.

And I always thought the body and Clyde like all black would be cool.

You know, just like.

Some bullet holes in the side, like faux bullet holes.

Stickers.

Now we know why.

But Phil is in sales and not design.

No, I appreciate the color of choice and that that era is interesting.

I want it to be pretty wild, pretty like, well, what the fuck is that guy

rolling up and sort of do?

Well, so let's say you have a sort of a blurry vision of what you've got

some colors, who takes it and turns it into reality?

Who is the guy that you're just like, I want these two colors

and I want a fender 34 do it.

That's a pretty ugly car with those colors that I want.

Who's going to do it?

Who's going to make it happen?

I think Bill Gnall has has the eye for that sort of thing.

You know, his style is pretty fucking.

You're saying Bill Gnall is good at building ugly cars.

Yes, Bill, you're great.

Bill, you're good at building ugly cars with the support of Joe.

The support Joe probably talks to you to building ugly cars.

But I like those dudes.

They have I know they do.

I like those two answers.

There's a really good.

There's they've got a they definitely can build a.

Bitch, you ask.

I'm Rod, I can't.

Design it, but I'm sure someone else can make it look cool.

And I think that would be pretty cool.

But I'm going to take over the show.

We're doing the car and we're going we're going fucking.

We're winning.

Irvin, what's what's what's on your list?

Man, mom and dad had.

Supra.

Late 80s, Supra.

OK, and I want to see it done.

Rest of my not not like what the.

Michael Bryant's got.

Huh, Michael Bryant's got.

But he had a second.

Yeah, he had the second gen.

Right, Mark one, the Celica Supra.

No, the Mark one.

Yeah, the Mark one Celica Supra.

Flip of head.

Like yours.

Yes.

Yeah, yes.

Flip of headlight and then the little the shade over the the rear window.

Yeah, fear, like yes, I'd love to see something.

And they are fear like flared fenders.

Just I'll be honest with something.

Flare to it.

What's the power plant?

Big TV.

It's got it's running a big one.

It's got to be.

I like to see I'd turbo charge something.

You said TV.

No, I'm not.

The trends.

It's a two day.

I'd like to see turbo charge slid under.

Maybe maybe not a two Jay Z.

I'd like to do something with the two Jay Z.

It's a quarter intrigues me.

Yeah.

Yeah, they are.

They are.

They put out it's for sure.

Lean it package as well.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, it's sort of your fucking world.

I don't know.

You don't know.

You can handle two Jay Z.

It's like a foot forward four digits on the big big with a big T.

You put you put a capital T on a two Jay Z.

No, I'd like to see a.

Fuck my wife.

Yeah, it's OK.

Who's building it?

I like what we've done with a lot of our fender flared cars.

OK.

I like what we've done.

And I might have Jonathan paint do the interior.

Wherever he sends it to who Jonathan Gullsby.

Oh, it just his style.

Jonathan paint like this.

Oh, no, just Johnny.

Just Johnny.

Johnny.

Just Johnny.

I might stick.

Just Johnny.

It might stick.

Johnny paint.

It's pretty hardcore.

I'm mad at it.

But yeah, I think that that would be my build.

I like it.

That's cool.

Andrew, you're a Volvo.

No, I don't like with unlimited money,

unlimited resources.

It's like what what's weird?

Let me get let's cap it.

You get 750 grand because you've already spent a million

on the hair transplant for the mustache.

And so you.

You could let's say you knock that down.

You go to I said I was going hard in the paint.

You go to 750 that you could go to Turkey.

His car.

You can go to Turkey, get that done for like 15 K.

That's just open up the budget.

Now you got a mill.

I'll go there when I'm at the car.

OK, you and Troy.

I'll share a plane ticket over there.

He know we've laughed about that.

Yeah.

He's going to come back with it down to his eyebrows.

Show the trench coat.

I'm fucking with you.

What what's the build?

OK, I don't it's a tough one because I'm like I've always been

into all sorts of shit.

I've been all over the place like one car that would piss a bunch

of people off if you had unlimited money.

It was like what can you do with like an F 40

and do something just ridiculous with it?

And like it's crazier than what it already was.

You just leave that as is.

Yeah, it's fucking better.

Otherwise.

Trying to think like he jumped out with the ricochet.

I'm like how the fuck do you keep up with that?

That's like I you talking 9.6 volts.

Yeah, it's just seeing it right now.

Imagine that.

That's it. Oh my God.

Can we put a lepo on that?

Would you take it to that?

Now, would you take it to 12 volts?

Yeah, we go.

We go.

That's how you win.

12.

Dude, I didn't know we were going to fix it.

Get it on.

It's like I'm on this budget.

I'm going on this budget.

I want one to one G.

I Joe aircraft carrier.

He was.

Everyone was at Mark.

Yeah, I'm like, I had one.

I know he did.

I was going to go hard on him to.

Now, you of course you did.

Of course you did.

Yeah, we're a Unimog.

There's two things.

Striker.

There's two things.

G.

Joe. Striker.

Yeah, the no, the aircraft carrier.

All the aircraft.

Yeah.

So there's two things that have been coming up on this podcast since

instance inception, right?

These are pure signs of significant wealth.

Right.

If you had a G.

I Joe aircraft carrier or the backpack super soker, right?

Two things that we're like, oh, yeah.

You grew up.

Different or I grew up completely different.

Or a Tyco Ricochet.

Just say.

Yeah.

Well, Tyco Ricochet.

I didn't realize we were going.

Yeah, I want the one to one.

I want an aircraft carrier.

Can we while we're Google is can we just Google the Tyco Typhoon?

I think it was a Tyco, wasn't it?

Yes.

Well, Andrew's got to answer this thing last did like 30 minutes.

Yeah.

I'll say if if I'm paying someone to do something that I would never do on my own

tops 25 maybe.

Yes.

Yeah, that's cool.

That's saying instantly.

That's a typhoon too.

You had a hovercraft too.

Black one.

Of course.

Yeah.

Then it was just $39.

Is that service merchandise?

Yeah.

Was it?

Is that a venture?

Last case.

Oh, we had to go ask somebody to get it out.

But it was a venture of Sears.

I ripped the whatever you call the hover ladder ladder immediately.

Oh, snagging on a stick or something.

I always wanted the things that like my parents told me it's a piece of crap.

You don't get it.

That's what that's the one I want.

Yeah.

I'll play the video.

So what are you?

What are you building?

Come on.

You can build the F 40.

Do you know what I mean?

It's tough.

Because in my dream garage, there's a Sunbeam Tiger.

There's a fucking...

What do you do with the Sunbeam Tiger?

Leave it alone.

The wheels.

Take your boy right now.

I saw it.

It was an Alpine Tiger.

But still, that's my little convertible.

Yeah, right.

I would love a CUDA.

Because I will never build a CUDA.

If I was having someone build something, I think that 70 to 74.

CUDA is one of the best looking cars of that era.

Yes.

Dude, I didn't say what kind of cars you like.

What cars are you building?

One single car.

The first thing that pops in your head right now, gun to your head.

All the money you've got to pull the trigger today right now.

And probably a 69 Chevelle.

Done up.

O E plus.

Just OK.

Clean, simple, good power plant.

How many horse ponies do you need?

Speck chassis or fast track chassis?

What's going on?

I need that help our customers out.

Yeah, unlimited budget.

What's it going to be?

We have not built a 60.

A spec chassis.

Like it's going to do fucking everything that needs to be done there.

We've not built the 60 to 72 on a fast track chassis.

Have we?

No.

Oh, we did that 72.

We've done GTOs.

We're doing that.

We've done a bunch.

Yeah.

The Saxons and.

That's no, it's the 64 to 67.

Alex's was on a fast track.

The green one was.

Oh, yeah.

The set.

This is the convertible we just did for Andrew.

Yeah, the opposite is.

Green car.

It's the opposite.

We've not done a 64 to 67 spec build.

That's right.

64 to 67.

Yeah, we've not done one right.

We haven't built one in house.

No, we've done a million of those chassis and that went that went to

if you had a little bit more power, that one that went to Belgium.

There's cool.

That was tough.

A great car.

Good, great, great body, great color.

Look, bitch, and the blue with the black OE twos.

The cool car.

Yeah, that's a good, fun one.

Cousin Mikey is coming through on that gold 66 we have sometime in the near future.

He's just he's been three other builds since then.

Cousin.

He's got two other trucks he's buying chassis.

Cousin Mikey is just blowing through fucking money.

There's his inheritance.

He's blowing through.

So it's he's the one that's going to be poor.

So how many how much horsepower blown L S in a L S?

Probably that's what I'm trying to think.

Like what do you want to do?

I'd probably want to do like a pretty rowdy and a build.

Yeah, have the air cleaner.

1400 horsepower.

That's a pretty rowdy 700

Yeah, you can do that without what are you getting no more than what?

720 at an L seven.

What's the Wagoners for comfortably?

Yeah, I mean, guys, travel.

Yeah, I probably got some fuckery and some.

I mean, you do stupid stuff, but I'm not.

You would turn it down to make 675

and be disappointed that then make some.

Yeah, Casey's always puts the training wheels on it before he delivers it.

It's like, well, it made, you know, nine dollars.

You don't need that.

It's like that.

We changed the bully and it made, you know, 750

But you're talking about the case.

He's funny. The Hemmy delivered.

He just I mean, we got back to back.

Three oh Whipple charge motors, right?

A L S three and a Gen three fucking Whipple.

And he so casually delivers the like, oh, yeah, here's the dyno numbers.

Made fucking 1200 and fifteen horsepower.

Oh, well, fucking a dude, that's bad ass.

Oh, yeah, you know, you put it back on pump and it's, you know,

827 is fucking awesome.

800

His bad.

He's so casual about like, dude, that's a shit ton of that's a lot.

Yeah, what's bigger?

His horsepower numbers are logo on the valve covers.

Yes.

His biceps around your neck next time he sees you.

Yeah, to say that.

Fifty or 51 Chevy pickup.

The the patina one he did for his wife.

Yeah, I was talking about it.

The Moines, that's not a bad build.

It's only 720

You're whatever. I'm like, it's a humble guy.

I never meet in your life. Good, dude.

Yeah, I'm fucking pumped.

We get those latest motors we got from him are going to be fucking rat.

I mean, just totally streetable

monster horsepower supercharged motors.

It'd be awesome.

Guys, it's been a blast.

Absolute fun.

We beat the beat the fab shop episode by like 30 minutes.

So hats off.

Everybody's still standing, standing, sitting,

be able to stand when this is over. Maybe.

How's the Mallorca nice?

It's not big.

Does it kill the aftertaste of last ten minutes?

It does.

Makes it like the like drinking.

Even if we turn the podcast off or not, we're not.

Next next show coming up is Des Moines.

Right. Yeah, Des Moines. Come by.

Good guys. Good guys.

Georgia coming up next weekend, four by four of the year.

It is that's the next pick for four by four of the year.

They've only done one right.

So we got the next one coming up.

Taxis and then Perry, Georgia.

Yeah, don't forget to talk to Irvin about his band.

Come on by.

I'll be more than happy to show you the video backup dancer or.

We'll talk about it.

Anybody that went to the.

Show.

That is listening to this podcast.

Go ahead and comment down below like, follow and comment down below the name of the band.

And if it's correct, maybe we'll give you a little price.

Maybe you get yourself a little price.

Yeah, that's fair.

Maybe not. Maybe it'll be too many people and we'll forget about it.

And we'll do anything.

But maybe you get a price.

Can you give us a little something leading up to it?

Like a little teaser we can share with the fans?

So you guys have seen Wolverine and Deadpool?

Deadpool, yeah, like this was by by by.

OK, yeah.

So it's something around a little backstreetish.

In sync is the name JT, you know, doesn't have shit on.

I know there's something to do with the rice.

The rice.

Something to do with the rice.

I know there's rice in it.

The backdoor voice.

All right, we'll see.

We'll see who can next week.

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