The Truck Show Podcast Jun 2, 2026

S3, E95 - Overland Expo and ORBA

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Topic

Overland Expo West

Overland Expo West is a big event where people show off overlanding gear—things you use for camping and road trips in rugged areas. The host went there to show new equipment and talk with lots of attendees.

Brand

American Adventure Lab

American Adventure Lab is a company that makes overlanding accessories. Here they’re mentioned for a rack that helps mount a vehicle power system for camping and off-road trips.

Part

105 amp hour KC flat battery

A “105 amp hour” battery is rated by its capacity—how much electrical energy it can store for running accessories. The “KC flat battery” is a specific battery type/model used in overlanding builds to power camping/off-grid electronics.

Term

battery management

Battery management is the system that controls charging and protects your battery. It helps make sure your battery and camping electronics work safely off-grid.

Brand

red-arc

Redarc makes the electronics that manage how your battery gets charged and how power is distributed. It’s the safety-and-control part of an off-grid power setup.

Brand

Orba

ORBA is an off-road industry group that advocates for people and businesses involved in off-roading. The host is talking about their mission—supporting motorized recreation on public land and helping the small companies behind it.

Company

SEMA

SEMA is a big industry group for the automotive aftermarket. The host says SEMA bought ORBA, which helps explain why ORBA is getting more attention and momentum.

Concept

executive order

An executive order is an official rule the president issues that can change how the government operates. In this episode, the host says a new one reversed earlier orders, which can impact policies relevant to recreation and public lands.

Term

turbo four

A “turbo four” is a small engine with four cylinders that’s boosted by a turbocharger. The speaker is saying some truck/SUV buyers in this segment don’t want that specific engine setup.

Car

Nissan Frontier

The Nissan Frontier is a midsize truck. The speaker is saying the Frontier’s engine and transmission setup is strong, and it uses a nine-speed automatic.

Term

nine-speed automatic

A nine-speed automatic is an automatic transmission with nine different gear settings. More gears can help the truck stay in the right engine “sweet spot,” so it feels smoother and more responsive.

Car

Nissan Patrol

The Nissan Patrol is a big SUV that’s built for tough driving and off-road use. The speaker is saying they personally own one, so they understand what enthusiasts care about.

Car

Nissan Titan

The Nissan Titan is a full-size pickup truck. The speaker is just listing it as one of the trucks they live with, to show they’re into Nissan vehicles.

Term

four-wheel drive

Four-wheel drive is when a truck sends power to all four wheels. That helps it keep traction on dirt, sand, mud, or rough roads.

Term

solid rear axle

A solid rear axle is a suspension setup where the left and right rear wheels are connected by a single rigid axle beam. It’s common on body-on-frame trucks because it can be strong and durable for carrying loads and off-road use.

Term

powertrain

Powertrain means the parts that make the truck move. It includes the engine and the gearbox and the system that sends power to the wheels.

Term

ICE

ICE means the truck uses a traditional gas or diesel engine that burns fuel. It’s different from a hybrid, which combines an engine with an electric system.

Concept

canvas

A “canvas” means the truck is meant to be customized. The idea is that it should be easy to add aftermarket gear for off-road and camping.

Brand

X-teros

“X-teros” is the name of the off-road truck/line being talked about. The host is saying the company wants it to be easy for owners to add aftermarket accessories.

Term

aftermarket

Aftermarket means parts made by other companies than the truck maker. For off-roading, it’s how people add upgrades and gear to their vehicle.

Term

pedal application

“Pedal application” means how your gas pedal movement turns into the truck’s power. They’re saying the truck’s computer changes that response so it feels steadier and less jerky on rough trails.

Car

Buick 27 Model

The Buick Model 27 is a particular Buick car model from a certain year. The “Sport Edition” part means it was offered with a sportier set of features or styling compared with other versions. It’s mentioned because it’s a specific variant people can identify by name.

Term

skid plates

Skid plates are protective covers underneath the truck. They help prevent damage when you drive over rocks or rough ground.

Term

all-terrain tires

All-terrain tires are tires meant for both regular roads and dirt trails. They’re built to grip better on rough surfaces than regular street tires.

Car

Nissan Armada

The Nissan Armada is a big SUV made for comfortable driving. The host is saying it’s especially good for long trips because it feels great to drive and has comfortable seats.

Car

Nissan Xterra

The Nissan Xterra is a tougher SUV that people use for dirt roads and outdoor trips. The host is saying the off-road versions are hard to find cheap now, and some setups are especially rare.

Term

Titan swaps

“Titan swaps” refers to swapping in the Nissan Titan’s powertrain (commonly the engine and related components) into another Nissan platform—here, the Xterra. It’s a common overland modification because it can add stronger performance and torque, but it also tends to raise the vehicle’s value due to rarity and desirability.

Term

stick

Here, “stick” means the truck has a manual transmission you shift yourself. The host is saying manual off-road Xterras are uncommon, so people really want them.

Term

vk-56

“VK-56” is the name of a Nissan V8 engine. The host is saying it’s a proven, long-lasting engine—exactly what you want for a van or truck used for heavy-duty trips.

Car

Nissan Titan XD

The Nissan Titan XD is a bigger, tougher pickup truck. The host is saying it’s built to last and can go a long time—hundreds of thousands of miles—without trouble.

Concept

purchase consideration

“Purchase consideration” means what cars or brands you seriously think about buying. The host is saying Nissan wants to be the first one people put on their list.

Concept

low mileage

“Low mileage” means the car hasn’t been driven much. The host is saying it’s hard to find Nissan trucks/SUVs with low miles when shopping used.

Car

Nissan Pathfinder

The Nissan Pathfinder is an SUV. The host is saying listeners also go check one out after hearing about Nissan on the show.

Place

Easter Jeep Safari

Easter Jeep Safari is an off-road event that Jeep fans and off-roaders attend. The hosts describe it as a “soft launch,” meaning they used it for an early, less formal introduction.

Place

Washington DC

Washington, DC is the U.S. capital where politicians and federal agencies work. The hosts are saying they went there to meet lawmakers and push their off-road access message.

Company

bureau of land management

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is a U.S. federal agency that manages large areas of public land, including land-use rules that can affect off-road access. The hosts highlight a meeting with BLM as producing “great things,” tying it directly to land-use outcomes.

Place

johnson valley

Johnson Valley is a famous off-roading area in the desert. The hosts are saying that part of it can be temporarily closed for other uses, which affects when people can drive there.

Place

western mojave

The Western Mojave is part of the Mojave Desert region. The hosts are saying they were dealing with closures affecting off-road access in that area too.

Car

Ford F150S

The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck made for hauling and everyday driving. Because it’s so popular, lots of people customize them for work or specific needs. That’s why it can be useful when someone wants to estimate how many trucks are being changed or used in a certain way.

Car

Lucid Air

The Lucid Air is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s built as a sedan, and it’s designed to go farther on a charge than many other EVs. That’s why it’s a common topic when people discuss electric vehicles.

LIVE

Welcome back. It's the truck show podcast recorded from the pod shed here in Huntington Beach, California

And as you know, I recently visited lovely Flagstaff, Arizona and attended the 2026 Overland Expo West event

And it was as big and as awesome as ever

I mean you can get lost walking around the place seeing all the innovation the gadgets all the camping things

You didn't know you needed it was always a top tier first-class show while I was there

As you know, we debuted the Jeep with the new American Adventure Lab power pack rack that featured the 105 amp hour

KC flat battery and a full complement of red-arc battery management

And it was a huge hit and I probably spoke to had to be over a hundred people

Asking about the setup throughout the weekend

So it was really cool to have people really curious about what we're doing and I can't wait to get out and enjoy it soon

I'm almost there

Unfortunately while I was there I did not get a ton of interviews because we were so busy launching the off-road business association

Complete with our own Orba Lounge

So we had people coming in and out all weekend and we had my red Jeep out front

So it was drawing people in as well

And as you might recall the off-road business association was purchased by SEMA in the last half of 2025

And SEMA asked me to come on board and help get it off the ground

So in my new role as the executive director

I've been busy promoting Orba and sharing our mission of advocating for motorized recreation on public lands and the small businesses in the

Off-road industry that support it. So since I've been so busy in Orba

I figured it would probably be a good idea to have my legislative director Lord Butcher on the show

So we could talk about what we've got going on some of the policies were tracking the wins etc

So we've got her on this episode and speaking of wins the Trump administration dropped a doozy on Friday night shortly after our interview last week

And he signed a new executive order rescinding executive orders

11644 and 11989

Which is a significant step toward modernizing how federal agencies manage off highway vehicle access and recreation on public land

So here's our quick rundown of our Orba press release for nearly 50 years

These executive orders have shaped the regulatory framework used in federal route designation and travel management decisions

Across millions of acres of public land their rescission begins a process that could fundamentally

Reshape how agencies approach access recreation infrastructure and multiple use management moving forward while this executive order does not

Automatically reopen routes or overturn existing land use plans

It has the potential to influence future agency decision-making and

Rulemaking efforts including the framework used in large-scale travel management and access planning initiatives across the West

Substantial work remains ahead through agency rulemaking and implementation

But today's announcement represents one of the most significant public lands and recreation policy development in decades

Orba looks forward to continuing to engage throughout the process and advocate for responsible motorized recreation access to public lands and

Balance multiple use management for all Americans. So this is a huge one and as you'll hear in the interview

We're working on much more. In fact, this is something that I think we kind of hinted at we didn't know was gonna come so soon

But here it is outside of Orba. I landed an interview with old friend Brent Hagan from Nissan who was attending overland expo

They've got a lot of stuff in the pipeline as we've been talking about

They released a new trim for the frontier there and they were checking out well the market of future frontier owners

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Man so much stuff going on lots to talk about that's some good interviews coming up in the upcoming episodes

But first what do you say? Let's catch up with Brent Hagen from Nissan at Overland Expo West

All right, I'm here at Overland Expo West

It's one of my favorite events during the year and happened to be with my good friend Brent Hagen from Nissan and

Man, I have been wanting to talk to you for a while because we've been doing a lot of Nissan news whether it's the

Nissan comeback the sales numbers frontiers holding its own in the midsize truck market with a lot of competition and a lot of pricing pressure

And then all of a sudden

Exteriors coming back. Exteriors gonna be yellow

There's you've got the a pro are on for like all of a sudden all this stuff's coming in and

Nissan's back to realizing that their off-road heritage is really important to the go-forward plan and it sounds like the

The new bosses recognize the the performance and racing

Heritage that Nissan has had and they want to reclaim that glory. Yeah, man

I give a lot of credit to my bosses Marco Pons Christian

They've come in and put full effort into investing in the products we have

Giving us a runway to the next generation products and as you can see the enthusiasm excitement about the return of the X

Is there and so we're really really excited about what we're doing

We've spent a busy winter a busy fall and it's gonna be a busy summer as well

Well, it's funny when it was like, you know, there'd be a dealer meeting or there would be you know some sort of

Nissan looking forward play me and like all these little nuggets are getting dropped and it's like

One of them was yeah, it'll be yellow and that's what the headlines were it's terrible to be yellow

Right, I mean people that's an iconic color for the XTERRA, right?

And then we you know the latest things that have come out is we're gonna have a v6

And we're not gonna force you into turbo four because people don't want turbo fours in this class

They want to have the displacement you look at, you know

How good the powertrain is on the frontier and the nine-speed automatic is great and you're like why would you walk away from that?

It sounds like you know, obviously we're not gonna talk about future products and things that aren't ready to be discussed yet, but

From what I'm hearing and and from what's out there what's been said publicly

It sounds like if you're a Nissan enthusiast, you're gonna be really excited about the next few years

Hey, we're we're enthusiasts, too, and and I'm so blessed to get to work for guys. Well, you have a Nissan Patrol

I've got a patrol

I've got a V8 R51, I've got a Titan and our household we bleed it

We live it when we bleed it we're enthusiasts ourselves and so we hear it

We're you know, I'm on social media all those guys that post and say I wish somebody Nissan was listening. We're listening

I'm there. I'm seeing all those comments and we care too. Sometimes it takes longer than we would like right?

We'd love to be able to bring that you know snap our fingers and bring stuff to market tomorrow

That doesn't always work

But we've got the the support of leadership of the company to turn this thing around all the way up to the CEO

Ivana Spinoza who's a truck and car guy himself

You know who I personally know and he's a great guy and so they support all of it

So we're we're dribbling you know, we're giving these things out to let people know these breadcrumbs. It's real

It's real and we hear you and it's not it's we're not going to come back with something

That's going to totally alienate the legacy or name only or in name only and we talk about body and frame

a real four-wheel drive real solid rear axle a

Regular ice drivetrain sounds like maybe there's a hybrid in there as an option

But you're going to be able to get a v6 ice powertrain in it and they've talked about trying to hit that

$40,000 mark somewhere right in there

So it's going to be affordable and it's like all the things Nissan's known for and it's it's it's the value

It's still giving you the capability looks like the styling from the teasers on X there's pretty cool

But I know we're talking about extra but frontiers gonna have a refresh at some point too. It's it's exciting to see

I'm curious you mentioned that you want people to know you're listening without divulging anything a question

I have for you is kind of what are the things that people want like what have you seen if

Somebody's listening like I want these five things. You're like, yeah, I know what those five are there. We heard you

Here's the things that we know you're asking about. I mean you just touched on a bunch of nice powertrain fully capable a great value

Something that's a great canvas a ponds one of our bought my bosses has come out and said these next generation products will be a

Canvas I mean here we are at overland expo and that's what this is all about

More frontiers than they've ever seen at the show this year fantastic and a ton of x-teros around Flagstaff

We were pointing them out earlier yellow here red there all that but but the point is is these need to they need to be a canvas

We need to work with the aftermarket. We need to make it accessible for the aftermarket

We need to make it friendly for the aftermarket to up it and use and that's exactly what we're doing

So so those aspects those elements are what we're working very hard on with the next generation products

Well, and it came out that

X-tero might be packaged protected for 35s

You don't have to wink twice or cough or anything

But but even if even if that's true the fact that you guys are thinking of enthusiasts in that way with a bigger tire size

Which is it seems to be kind of standard for legitimate off-road package anymore?

And again, I the new frontier has really held its own

It's usually in the in the second or third spot in sales

It's done really well and you start seeing them everywhere and I've had so many people come to me and tell me

I had a guy the other day for the from the podcast

He's emailed me that he bought it a frontier and he goes

His message was most underrated truck on the market and it was from him from the driver's seat

And it was one of things like I never would have looked at it if you hadn't talked about it

And I'm like no it's a great. It's a great truck and the values there and it's just enough modern to be competitive

But it's not it doesn't feel like it's overly tacky like you can just get in and drive it

It still feels like a traditional truck and I think there's a lot of people who don't want to drive a computer

They still want to have that truck experience. It's a driver's truck and I can't tell you this past week

We had some amazing opportunities to go do some off-roading here

We went to Lee's Ferry overlook and some different places and people just got in there able to drive

It's got all the capability that you need, but you're right. You're connected. It's an honest to goodness truck

It's got mechanical traction. It's it's a billy goat. It loves to climb hills, but it does so in comfort

It does so with durability and reliability

People forget about I can't tell you how many media people told me this week. They're like, I just forgot about this

I forgot how great of a truck it is. I forgot what a great value it is

I forgot how fun it is and how connected it feels like you said

I don't have all these electrical nanny cams that are interacting with me

We added, you know terrain management and it just supplements the experience one of the guys yesterday was driving

He was in rock mode and he was like I can just keep the pedal exactly where I want as I'm going over these rocks

And it's not jerking and stuff and I said yeah

That's the tuning that that our Arizona test team put in there to make it where you know

It it it it reduces the the pedal application so that you really feel rock solid going up rocks

Yeah, it smooths out your your inputs and and that's new for 26

That was one of the little minor tweaks and but it's just the right amount of tech without so much

That's intrusive that takes away from the experience and that's what's great about the frontier

And that's the DNA that we're gonna inject in the next generation product as well

So talk to me about the the new trim level that just got released and announced on I guess it's the sport

Yeah, 27 model year sport edition kind of takes a lot of the success that we had with dark armor

So it's on the SV grade. It's a great value. price point entry

It takes a lot of the the components the ideas of dark armor, but it pushes it up in the off-road department

We've got skid plates fog lights

We've got all-terrain tires and then it bumps it up a little bit in the personality department

So instead of just black everything it gives you that touch of what we're calling like line yellow type color

Kind of like the citrus strike, which is a new color for 26

It takes those elements and puts it in a stitching on the the bedside the grab handles that oh, yeah

It's and it's not gonna be for everybody. We recognize that yeah

It's going to be those that want a little more bold touch a little more useful touch and for those are like, you know

What lime yellow is not my thing great dark armors right there beside it. Yeah, but it's a great canvas

It looks great. It's a it's a little more polished youthful or more sporty, but with all the off-road chops

So you leave today. Unfortunately, you will you're not gonna be able to stay the whole weekend

What's next bird? What's next for Brett Hagen when you go back to the office? What are we working on?

We're going back in the lab

We I mean we literally we have a ton of stuff that's working on the on the remaining life of frontier and Armada

We've got a lot that we're working on there and then obviously back in the lab on work on the next generation products

There's no rest for the weary. We're working around the clock tirelessly to bring it to market those things

It's to market as quickly as possible and to listen to what customers are asking for

So, you know, if you have things that you want me Nissan to listen to get on the forums and post it talk about it

We're listening or watching or send it to you truck show podcast at gmail.com

And I will forward it to the people at Nissan directly who need to hear about it

end with a couple things one is

The Armada is

Phenomenal every time I get in one of those things I'm blown away with with the comfort the driving how just everything about it

I've been I've been so impressed with where it sits in though. I'm personal, but it's the best seats in the business

Anybody's there and it's a great road trip machine. Absolutely like it would be in my top five of something

I would want to drive cross-country. The other thing is, you know, I have a friend who sons getting ready to drive and

You cannot in Southern, California find an off-road

Xterra

With decent miles at decent price

It was and I always tell people I said, you know, if you're looking for a forerunner and you think those are expensive

Go try and find an off-road Xterra for sure

They're coveted because not as many of them were sold so not as many of them are out there and people who have those things

Love those things and and the buzz about it coming back is crazy

I've seen so many Xterras where they have Titan swaps and things like that on them and it's

it's mind-blowing when you look at the pricing and

The rarity of that particular model, especially with a stick. I mean, there's like unicorns. I'll add to that

We're here at overland expo rest, right van life's a big deal

Yeah, go try to find you a low miles in V for a reasonable price

So the in V vans both passenger and cargo vans. They're a fantastic template

Tried and true vk-56. Yep the durability

You know all those parts that we have with Titan Titan XD. It's a durable truck. It's a great platform

They run 350,000 miles. No problem. Don't break a sweat

Both Xterra those in V's they are hard to find isn't that crazy that that Nissan

You know, it's it makes great products, but it's sort of like has been

You know the second fiddle to being thought about for a purchase consideration

And now you guys are elevating that and bringing people where they think about Nissan first because what happens is Nissan is like the owners

Who know it's the secondary market and it's really hard to get a really low mileage

Nissan because not as many were sold and people once they get into one experience like a wide night by this from the beginning

This vehicle is not available anymore

This thing's perfect for my needs and it's exciting for me being somebody who loves the Nissan product

To see people being excited about the brand and thinking about them first rather than going. Oh to your point the media

I didn't even think about the frontier and I get a lot of people. I'm like go drive the frontier

I've sold a lot of them just from say go have a test drive

Listen, we appreciate partnering with you all the work that you do to get the word out

I mean, I cannot tell you how many people have mentioned it to me

He's like I listen to truck show podcast and I you know, I went out looked at a frontier

I went out looked at a pathfinder

I want to look that in our motto just because of that

So we thank the thank you for the partnership getting the word out because that's a that's a big part of it

Honestly, I mean we can make great products great value the R&D team does a fantastic job

Manufacturing team and Canton Mississippi and other elsewhere does a fantastic job putting them together

We just need to get the word out more and that's we appreciate your help with it. Absolutely. So if you if you want a quality

Built a value-oriented off-road product go check out Nissan and you guys have lots

I will be talking in the in the coming year too

I'm sure because there's a lot of stuff that that's left on the table that we can't talk about today

But it's on the way. I can't wait. Thank you, Sean

Always great to catch up with my friend Brent. He's definitely one of my favorites

And hopefully we'll get to hang out again real soon and next up longtime listeners supporter of the podcast and fan

Jason Broom

So here I am standing in the Orba booth and who walks by none other than listener Jason Broom who

dedicated the

and purchased the Dr. Pepper fridge for the podcast got Mike here as well and

Jason went to Japan recently and brought me back the world's best gift. I think well, it took them as the most thoughtful gift

I haven't had it yet. So I don't know if it is the best gift, but he brought me all the way from Japan a

Japanese Dr. Pepper which is fascinating because it's kind of Japanese Dr. Pepper which he clearly smuggled in his luggage to make it back to America

Only has 20 flavors and so I want to know like what flavors are missing. I'm fasting

So if any of you are like super good at googling

I just want to find out if any of you know why Japanese Dr. Pepper only has 20 flavors

I think that the listeners at home

Should use Google and do some manual searching no cheating and no using Claude or Jim and I

You have to actually do the manual research and then you have to email or the results to truck show podcast at gmail.com

we'll be looking out for the email and

Maybe

We can get some more Japanese Dr. Pepper sent over. I know a few people over there now

So we could get a couple more sent over and you and Nick can read you the taste test

well

Nick did come over he did have a sip of his warm mines in the cooler because I wanted to have it done properly and

What's on the side of my Jeep guys, what is that thing that you put there? Oh, yeah, since you broke your last Jeep

Unfortunately, and we gave you that more than broke

We gave you the Whittle Watter and Moab the 3d printed Whittle Watter

And then you did a high-speed barrel roll

And I think the Whittle Watter flew off somewhere in Utah

So we printed you a new in red little yes to match the Jeep very nice

I think the Whittle Watter the black one is actually on my toolbox in my garage. Yeah, that's that's firecracker red filament

Yeah, I mean you can't even see it on the Jeep. It's such a great color match

It actually keeps your fuel secure with gas prices going up. So are you gonna let Jason talk this whole time?

You know Jason only speaks all the time. So yes, he gets to speak all the way through and since I'm in the witness protection

I'm trying to keep my voice as much off the radio as possible. We'll be sure to voice change that for you

All right, what are you guys doing today? You apparently have snuck in here as media

But then you have your tag overland and so so explain to the audience what tag overland is

so tag overland is to aristocrats go overlanding and

Aristocrats originally was a different word

But now you've come and dared it for your own purposes

Yeah, well the the word aristocrat originally wasn't there it was to something else

Overlanding and we felt like that was probably not social media friendly

So we changed it to aristocrats and now we are is it aristoholes. Yeah

We are the overlanding community's biggest smallest

content creation channel

All right, we have a whopping hundred and 68 followers on YouTube

So we're getting huge and then so guys if you're listening go follow the two aristocrats go overlanding on the

Tag overland channel and support them there. They are fellow podcast listeners just like you. Yeah, thanks for having us

Sean, we appreciate it. Thanks for the Dr. Pepper. I will let you know if I get worms or poisoned by it

I mean, it's pretty good because it's in the can. Yeah, right. I love sushi. Mick described it as brown

So, I don't know well, he said it tastes like Dr. Thunder. So that doesn't he said yeah, that doesn't make me have high hopes for it

I said brown. It tastes brown. Yeah, I did have a sip of next again. It was warm. It's like Guinness. I don't there's a spit swapped

Yeah, I was as gross so mine is in my Dometic CFX 5 45 fridge and

Sometime in the future when it's nice and icy cold, I will partake

You'll have to mic it up for the truck show podcast when you crack it open. You know what? I'll do that. Yeah

All right, good to see you, Sean. Thanks, Sean

Thank you Jason for the Japanese Dr. Pepper

It was a real treat and it was much better after I left it in the fridge for a while and it got real cold

All right in our final interview is with my colleague Laura Butcher

Legislative director of Orba. All right, so as you guys know, I was at Overland Expo a little bit for the podcast

But mostly for the off-road business association, which is my new daytime job at SEMA

So they hired me to help them get that off the ground

so I guess technically I'm now the executive director and my

Legislation director Laura Butcher who has her own pedigree and provenance here in the off-road space is joining us

But before we let her talk she gets a jingle

Who dis who dis who the hell is this a truck show interview?

You don't want to miss we talk to top dogs in the industry

How'd you blow up? How'd you come to be?

Who dis who dis truck show represent?

Welcome to the show Laura Butcher who this is your first time on this podcast. Normally you just see me on

Zoom and the most terrible horrible program ever invented Microsoft Teams

You are a big fan of teams. Yes, I do talk to you. I would say just about daily now

Yeah, well multiple times a day and

And I was like listen, I can't just talk about Orba on my own

You're sort of my co-dog in this and so I was like, you know, just come on the podcast

we'll do interview we so we were in Flagstaff together basically and

Talking about Orba and we did talks you and Karen our boss when did the women who wander we went through the OVR

They're like a campsite chat with hand-cooked tire. We had our own little lounge area. We were out evangelizing all that good stuff

So I figured, you know what we might as well have you come on and so a little bit about how this started was

Seema reached out to me and said hey, we've got this idea. We're doing this thing

We'd like you to be a part of it and I was like, you know, actually

Spags Mike Spagnola the president seem to call me. I still in the hospital. I was like, this is too much

But anyway, we got to this point and then when I came on I kind of helped them through the end of last year and they said

Hey, we'd like you to take this over and run with it

And I said I need somebody who's strong on the legislative side because it's a big part of what we do

And there's just too much and they said we have the perfect person and you and I have sort of orbited in the same

Space for a long time. We know the same people. We've run into each other before we were Facebook friends

And then all of a sudden now we're like like work buddies

Group therapy on the daily. Yeah

It is kind of interesting that we had not like directly interacted before now

But at the same time it at least in my opinion, it feels pretty natural

Like we jive together super well and it didn't take long for that to happen

Yeah, no, it turns out that when you're what do they say when you hate the same things you bond faster or something like that?

Now I'm not saying we hate the same things. I'm just saying that that's like trauma bonding

Exactly when you're handed an organization that is

Basically being rebuilt from the ground up somebody hands you the keys and they're like

We need you guys to be successful with this and we'll support that and you're like, okay

But you sort of don't know you don't know like we're we're still learning like simple things like how does our email work within?

Simo who does what like what what can we do?

And I mean we've been told to know a few times

But for the most part we don't know what we can't do so we keep just pushing the boundaries

And it's been fun being able to do that and you know, I think it's it's working pretty well

And they are they're giving us a lot of freedom and so it makes it really fun and interesting and I don't know

Yeah, I don't play together as we're flying it. Exactly. We're building the plane as we flash the that's perfect

so they have given us a ton of rope and

they basically said hey, you know you you guys this is this is your baby and

It's been it's almost like sometimes you're kind of like, can we do that?

And so it's taking a while to kind of figure out all the pieces and stuff

But I know you're super excited about Orva as well as I am maybe just give a little background of

What you do outside of Orva sort of who you are because then people go. Oh, like she's totally legit

Like oh, that makes sense. Also. Why are you doing so many jobs?

Because you have the same problem I have and you can't say no

So yeah for like anybody that doesn't already know me the background context there is

That I accidentally inherited a race series that I'd kind of grown up with and volunteered

Within for a long time Valley Off-Road Racing Association also known as Vora

It's been around since 1975 and like said, I grew up with the series as did my husband

We raced it volunteered all the things that we like knew how to run races

And so when Dave Cole gave me the opportunity

We took it and it's been like another just

Learning experience, but it's worked out so well in so many ways

So that's kind of what transitioned Off-Road from just a really great hobby to like a full-time career for me

I've also kind of in the mix of that same initial time frame. I did the rebel rally twice

And I worked for tread lightly as a program manager for four years

um, I am on the board of directors for a couple of different organizations and

Currently do contract work for Nevada Off-Road Association as well, which does a lot of similar

Work like we're currently doing for Orba, but only within the state of Nevada

So that was kind of a good warm-up

I also have another nonprofit that i'm using to build a multi-use motorsports park

What else am I forgetting? I'm sure there's other things. I do a lot of like sponsorship marketing type stuff

I usually only take like 11 or two clients at a time, but um, I I definitely have had some cool

Experiences there got to be on stone cold Steve Austin's tv show on A&E a few years ago

And then that led into working with him really closely. So it's been kind of an interesting journey this last year. I also

um contracted with king of the hammers and did all of their like blm permits and their

DoD permits and things like that. So yeah, do all the boring stuff that lets the rest of us have fun, essentially

I don't know that I see it for me. It's not boring because there's like weird challenges. There are weird challenges

That's that's totally true. I'm just like, okay. I get to dig it in cool

Yeah

So let's let's talk about orba. So it's the off-road business association

so the way I I usually tell people and you can correct me if if you disagree, but

essentially

You know seam is sort of known for hot rods and on the truck side

Everybody thinks like florida brodozer, which is fine, but there's a lot of off-road companies. I felt like sema

Didn't have as much

Investment in them or didn't care as much or however you want to put that

But the reality is is sema's put tens of millions of dollars behind off-road

They didn't really have a mechanism to promote that like, you know

PRI side could do with hot rodding and things like that

So they said, hey, we're going to buy this organization off-road business association

It's going to be our mechanism for interacting with the off-road world and making sure that we can evangelize and and

Show people all the things that we're doing

Within the space and orba is essentially kind of two a two-fold deal

One of it is land use advocacy

Helping legislators with with information so they can make good public policy around motorized recreation

And the other side is supporting small business which is in the off-road space

And that's sort of what orba is within sema

I actually had no idea how much sema was doing behind the scenes. I knew they were involved

I didn't understand how involved they were how much of the financial

Impact they've had on some of the larger lawsuits that the off-road community has taken wins for

They were really like heavy hitters behind the scenes and I think um, one of the things that I want to

Help orba do is show people just how invested sema is

For me, it's it's not about just recreation. It's not just about access. It's not

Just a small business. It's not just manufacturing

It's it's all of those things that is protecting a lifestyle and an industry that supports communities all across the country

So I think we just get a really cool opportunity to highlight how much sema has done and how much they are currently doing

in that space

Yeah, when orba was around as a private entity

I think sema was their biggest donor sema has been involved with uh, there's there's some entities out there

kind of behind the scenes that are

I don't know if you would call it like a legal fund or

legal partnership where we have lawyers who go out and then do

kind of the

Either the suing or the answering or whatever

But there's a bunch of groups that put into that bucket so that these lawyers can go out and advocate for us or go to

Tasks on the legal side

So if there's a land closure and we have to you know, go in to get it opened up like this group goes

And well sema was a massive donor to that too

So there's a whole lot that sema's been doing and using the resources for that the average person

Doesn't have any idea. So that's what you and I are hoping to do with orba is to

Promote that and let people know that no sema is totally involved sema sees off road as a growth area

And sema wants people to know rather than being sort of the silent giant behind the scenes

sema wants to be seen as a big player in the space

Great, I I agree. I think that as much as I loved my advocacy time like it tread lightly

And how important that work is I love that this is a more aggressive form of advocacy

And that's like that's probably what I'm most passionate about especially on the government affairs side

It's just so darn cool the stuff that sema does and that they're letting me do now

I wish I could talk about more of it up front

But I have a feeling people will be really excited to see all the things that we're working on soon

Yeah, I mean there's things that are happening

I would say

That are gonna be no worthy the next six to eight weeks maybe like that soon

And then there's stuff on the horizon that might be six months or a year out

But in the very short time, I mean, it's been a you know a few months since we kind of have

Tackled this we've gone obviously to overland expo, which is sort of you know was the hard launch

I went to easter jeep safari, which is sort of our soft launch

you and I went to washington dc as part of the sema rally and

Met with legislators, but we had this amazing meeting with the department of interior with the bureau of land management

Which had some great things come out of that

And then we've had meetings with 29 palms with the marine base there and are building new relationships with them

With the team that handles land use and their temporary closures of johnson valley for the shared or multi-use area

And i'm going back and i'm thinking i'm like man, that's a lot of stuff for a couple months

I mean we have been on the gas that doesn't even

account for the time we spent doing the wemo stuff and the western mojave with that closure

And then there's ongoing sema things like gemini bridges and moab

We're working on uh economic impact study areas, which ones we're gonna attack there

I mean when you look back at the last two to three months like what do you think?

freaking wild

It's like some of this stuff. I'm not even alive. I'm such a nerd right now

It's like a dream come true getting to go to washington dc and go on capitol hill and

participate in those meetings, but also lead some of those

Like that's insane in the coolest way possible. I feel so fortunate to get this opportunity

Yeah, we were you know, I for me, it's cool. We went on capitol hill

You meet with lawmakers you meet with their staff. So all that stuff is really cool, but

They turn over fairly regularly. We got to go inside the department of interior, which has like, you know career employees

and

Walk out of there with a handshake deal that hopefully we'll be able to talk more about in the future with some really

important things that are that are meaningful to the industry like I walked out of that meeting and

I mean, you and I were pumped because it was like this isn't all

Yeah, they were like, we we want to do this stuff with you. We're like, well, here's an idea. They're like, okay, you know

Yeah, it was just it was amazing to be in dc with the decision makers and then be seen as

Experts to help guide the policy decisions and and and inform them of sort of the needs of the people that we advocate for

I mean that

That was incredible being at easter jeep safari and just talking to people and and and overland expo and having them say

This orbiting sounds really cool. How can we get involved?

I mean just seems like the excitement for it and the excitement for seema to be I'll say visibly in the off-road space

Versus invisibly in the off-road space has been really off the charts

I agree. I think that people are really excited as they should be honestly like

Once they get a handle on some of the stuff we're doing they're going to be all the more excited

but

Everybody seems like really ready for this this move feels natural

It feels like something people want. Um, it's just going to be so impactful

And I think it's going to help so many people whether it's with jobs or tourism

Manufacturing just like the love of all things off-road and outdoor recreation. This is going to be incredible

Well, you bring up tourism and that's one of those things that I like to talk about because I think when you meet with

policymakers

They think sometimes the ideology of shutting down an area and they go, oh, you know, we're shutting down

It's just people ripping off the off-road and nobody can go in there

It's a natural resource and in humans will just ruin it and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

Um, well, it's public land number one number two people have the right to recreate and

Here is us coming in potentially with an economic impact report and saying

Listen, yeah, you can shut it down

But did you realize this affects tourism?

It affects these jobs the people that are decorating their off-road they go to the gas station

They go to the market they go to the restaurants they go to the hotels

And it almost feels like they don't always look at it in that lens where they see sort of the collateral damage

And they think of off-road recreation as its independent pillar versus being

A you know part of tourism or something like that

And so I feel like those are those meaningful conversations where they go

Oh, we hadn't looked at it that way or do you have data to support that and then with the backing of semen

We come in and say here's the information that you need to make, you know, good sound decisions

Right as somebody from a very small very rural town in the middle of nowhere, Nevada

I mean, those are things that are incredibly important and have been some of the biggest eye openers since I started working in this space

I did an economic impact study on one of my own Vora races a few years ago because we were having trouble

With a BLM permit and I was trying to make that very point

And time and time again I hear from local businesses not just from my own hometown

But other small towns that we race in those areas

We're the reason they're not going bankrupt. We're literally keeping them afloat and

That just hits such a like heartfelt chord for me

I mean if there wasn't a million other reasons to do this work, that's it

And I'll argue all day long that you know the town I'm from mining is great

It comes and it goes it fluctuates off-road is like such a really great steady

economic source

That is largely untapped at this point and it just needs to be harnessed and refined

And I think it can provide so much valuable support to those communities that are really in need

Yeah, I look at you know, some of the things that were involved in again the land management side of it

So working with the land managers and stakeholders and we work on local state federal

levels

And we want to be out there protecting cultural resources and the environment. I would argue to people

I think I can't remember what meeting we were in but they were talking about you know

Conservationists versus off-roaders and I said no we're conservationists as well

We want to get out of the city. We want to have clean air. We want to have clean water

And by the way, we're on flotation tires that aren't digging into the earth and we are using solar panels when we're camping

We're not even running our engines and we're leaving the campsite cleaner than when we got there

We're just as much of a conservationist as you are and they were like well

We hadn't really thought of it that way and then you look at the urbanization of america

And how they want more and more dense urban centers

Well, there's a mental health component to being able to get away from the city

Unwind

Recreate that I think is also that thought process starting to get a little bit of traction where people listen to you when you say listen

It's it's a mental health benefit for this as well

So it has a positive impact on the economics of an area on the medical health of an area

Of the ability for families to have these experiences together

We're working on something right now part of sima

Open up areas that are prohibited for mechanized travel which excludes disabled veterans or disabled constituents

Because they're in a wheelchair can't go there. You can only hike or something like that, right?

Like it's a mechanized thing. They're like, oh, sorry, you're out. Well, that's not fair

So we're trying to get things like I mean there's there's so many things that we're fighting for and the the battles are constant of

Really common sense

approaches to land use

Absolutely, it's all about common sense. Really. I mean

How often do you see anybody that's an outdoor recreationalist?

Whether it's a hunter or hiker or an off-roader, they're not the ones who wants to be out there with a bunch of trash

Yeah, and I'll argue all day long that structured events like racing provided a ton of benefits

To the communities as well as those public lands that they utilize

All of that extra cleanup work all of the safety precautions that go into it. They're giving people a purpose

I mean it really channels people's energy into those events and

It leads to a lot less nefarious activity elsewhere in my opinion for sure

And of course the legislative part of it that we touched on environmental protection, which we touched on

And also just having great relationships with law enforcement out there

Or long-standing partnerships with other off-road stakeholders. You mentioned tread lightly, you know, there's other groups in california

We have cal four wheel and corva other groups that are grassroots nonprofits that you can join

I guess if you look at it the land use side of it, it's not the sexiest part for most people of the industry

And it's easy for you to kind of think like oh somebody else will take care of that

And it's if you scroll down your instagram, you see like different groups talking about different things

What we want to do is get everybody together and kind of prioritize the messaging and

Even though we're independent organizations

We really want to like band together and be more collaborative so that we're working and putting on resources toward the same goal

So that we can have positive outcomes. So there's there's a lot that goes into this job

I think it's really interesting just because from a journalism standpoint

I've been able to

Use those relationships and use my skill sets completely differently than I have before and every day

It's almost like having a completely new career all of a sudden and i'm still figuring it all out right like it's

I'm sure there's people going why is this guy here?

Probably for both of us. I mean it just started to me

It's it's just the fact that like people are like onions

We all have so many layers and things that you didn't know about somebody before

Just because you know them in one capacity doesn't mean that there's not another

Aspect to them somewhere in there. So yeah, I I think that we're gonna

Do so much good work and I hope people want to keep hearing about it

I would like to continue. Maybe we should make this a semi regular thing

Honestly, we should we could have orba updates

In fact, if you guys are interested in orba updates and go to offroadbusiness.org or orba.biz

We've got a orba news page

And so that page has the latest things that we're working on or the latest news

And you can also find this on instagram as well and it's off-road business association on instagram

So the things that are being posted on our news will also get socialized out

So please give us a follow on instagram and then if you're interested in joining, especially if you're a company

We've got a number of membership levels and I'll just run through them really quick

so general membership for anybody or a business starts at 250 bucks and

Basically gives you the monthly newsletter calls to action

Then you can step up to a bronze membership, which is a thousand dollar annual contribution

You get your business gets a public acknowledgement on the website and of course acknowledgement in newsletters

You step up to silver, which is 3000 dollars

You get three sponsored posts on orba

SEMA san or newsletters acknowledgement in the monthly newsletters public acknowledgement on the website

Gold steps up. That's a 5000 dollar annual contribution

You get the public acknowledgement on website and events acknowledgement monthly newsletters six sponsored posts

You also have an optional advisory council membership. That's a yearly term

And the thing that i'm really excited about this is 10 consumer research questions

via SEMA's research platform called Acom

And so like if you're a small business and you are in product development, for example

And you're like, I need to know how many wide f-150s get modified in this time range or something like that

You may not have the access to the data. You may have to hire a market research firm

And maybe it costs you 5000 bucks to have them go out or more to just give you the data that you're looking for

Well, your membership comes with that and you get 10 individual questions a year at the gold

membership level so for businesses who have market research needs that might be good because you get the membership

Plus you get access to the marketing tools and then our top membership

platinum public acknowledgement acknowledgement in the newsletters 10 sponsored posts a year

One optional advisory council membership position you get 20 research questions

So, I mean, it's a pretty great deal

Especially if you have needs at the higher levels to access marketing and and whatnot. So

Um, if you're curious about joining or you want to know more go to the website again offeredbusiness.org

You can go to our member orba member drop down. You can see the membership levels and support orba

You can actually join through the website by doing just a regular digital buy on the website and then that

alerts laura and I that that you want in and that will send you a

Really nice letter that we've drafted saying welcome to you

Welcome to the support of these great causes in the off-road space

I draft it and then Sean edits and then and then she edits it back. So it works out really well

So, yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot of stuff going on

I think if we made this a regular thing it would be good just from the standpoint of letting people know like

How how much stuff is going on that they don't necessarily see or hearing it hopefully from us

I think it's that's super important and

I I just want people to know that I'm checking the federal register like every day

And you'll see that we post like on our social media pages and it links back to our website updates

On different things and I I hope people realize that we're trying to give them the most holistic balanced

informative fact only

Yeah, kind of rundown of each situation and let them know like realistically

How massive is this situation? Is it on fire? Is this like a true dumpster fire?

Yeah, or somebody just walking around with matches and they haven't you know lit anything yet

But you need to be aware of it. We'll let you know like hey, we're good. This isn't a huge deal right now

We're gonna keep our eye on and we'll keep you posted or like hey, we need you to act now

So that's you know, I want people to pay attention. So if I asked you give me

Five or so of the

Top things that are important right now like what are what are five things that we're working on

That the listeners should know about what are the five that you would say? Hey pay attention to these things

Um, okay, I knew this kind of a question

So I would say, you know, wemo is a huge one

That's the western mojave and I'm sure you've probably talked about that on your stuff before

You're dabbling a little bit. It's basically that area up by randsburg south of ridgecrest in china lake

Basically cal city kind of that that whole era grass valley

Where a judge has

Due to what we feel is flawed science or or certain things that were

Used in the lawsuit shut down

2200 miles of trails and so

My understanding on that is the doi the department of the interior is the only group that has standing to be able to

fight that and

So they have filed their motion that allows them to reserve the right to

File against that, right? Is that where we're at on it? Yes. Yes. So we have the appeal

That's what I was thinking of is is they filed their motion that allows them or preserves their right to an appeal

I think they're studying everything right now to see what their next steps are

But at least they filed that and it's not like our our group or anybody else could just jump in and file a lawsuit on it

We don't have standing for the way this went out. No for those of you aren't in california

You think I don't really care the reality is is you don't want the precedent set, you know

Legally for one judge to just unilaterally shut down all this miles of trails because it could happen in other places, too

Right. Absolutely. It's just sort of the the beginning of whatever bleeds over into the rest of the country

So there's a lot there and I mean, yeah

So we know I would say is pretty high priority at the top of our list

And it has been on sima's list for quite some time

Again, people just don't realize how involved they have been

but in addition to that we've got

Explore act implementation

And just monitoring blm as they roll out their new special recreation permit management

And how that kind of reform

Comes out and what they decide to use as approaches to support responsible outdoor recreation and kind of those structured events

public lands access and multiple use we've got a lot going on there a lot of traction on that

Idea of making sure that lands are open unless there's a really specific reason that they need to be closed

Now this is the one where

Right now you could have an area closed and there may or may not be signage for it

So if you're not from the area your map's not up to date

You might be a family out of town recreating and you cross over into this closed area or past this closed boundary may not know it

Now all of a sudden you're essentially a criminal like you're criminalizing somebody who wasn't aware

The new

Proposal is that if something is closed it has to be signed that it's closed or it's otherwise open

So I mean that just seems logical fair, right?

It just it it's just a common sense way of being like hey if it's closed and put the effort into letting people know it's closed

Rather than just saying this swath of land is off limits

Oh, but this perfectly fine road that went through it with nothing across it, you know, that's welcoming me

You know, yeah, and I get that like you will always hear BLM talk about being like BLM for a service and

They're not wrong. They are understaffed and underfunded

Which is where I always advise them to like lean into these types of partnerships

That's why we've got these other groups such as ourselves

But also the tread light leads and the core of us and just they need to really like hone those relationships

And lean into their partners. That's what we're here for

So I would say um beyond those things

One of the other ones that's like pretty near and dear to everybody's hearts

I would say is the outdoor americans with disabilities act

And that's really where like I feel like especially we've talked about this a bunch veterans, right like

It's anybody that has a disability

It could be you know a nine-year-old that was born with terrible scoliosis

But it could also be a disabled veteran and this is something that is so important because

Outdoor recreation is therapy adrenaline therapy for racing. I mean there's

9 million different ways that you can skin the cat on that but it is really important

And I think people need to understand

That there's a lot of different things that that entails and how that might look

And and I think again having americans with disabilities being able to recreate and not to have some

You know owner's rule that says oh if you're in a motorized wheelchair because it's motorized

You can't go in this area, but that person who has the ability to walk can it's just not right

It's not fair

And I think it's a was a massive blind spot when those rules are put into place

And it's one of the things that a lot of us are working on to try and fix and make sure that

We can open up recreation

We want recreation to be opened up to as many people as possible

We don't want it to be like oh you can only do it if you're

On a bicycle or you can only do it if you're in a trophy truck. You know

We orba

We stand for motorized recreation whether that's a motorcycle or side-by-side, you know powersports whether snowmobile whether it's a

Overlanding Tacoma or a jeep or a rock crawler or whatever

If it's motorized and you want to get out there we want to help you do that

And it's so important for people to have the ability to do that because not everybody has

the same abilities so

Let's keep it fair and keep things accessible for everybody

Well, uh, I'll have to have you come back on when

You have some more information for us and I say you meaning us, but since I'm the host I'm just going to say you

That's fair

Again, if you guys want to find out more offroadbusiness.org

Can contact us through the form can follow us on instagram again

That one is at offroad business association. So there's two. There's an older one

This is the one with the fancy new logo

We came up with and it's just a lot nicer when you open up that page. You'll see

Karen myself and laura at the top of the pinned one

So anyway, it's the one that's at offroad business association

And if you guys have questions on the podcast that you want us to answer or I could pass along to laura

Truck show podcast at gmail.com. You can always send us stuff and happy to talk about on the air and

Laura, I would say it was great seeing you and you should come back real soon

But I'm sure I'll be seeing you on another zoom or microsoft teams call here very shortly

I can't wait to see your next like tricky way of having something in the background that says I hate teams

Can we talk about that? Is that

All right, so a long story short. Um

I hate teams

We don't have real logins. We don't have real logins. Uh yet and so

Um teams always gives us like 10 steps and you have to do like, oh, it's eight letters that are smashed together that you

Have to oh now it's only start that process 15 minutes before

It's gonna take me five tries teams mean needs an update right now

Oh teams doesn't show you all the people because you're from out of the organization. I just all those things

So I might have started getting sneaky by hiding. I hate teams in my background and

I didn't get in trouble for it. Where's Waldo? Yeah, people were laughing and

I decided that well, maybe I was being a little bit like too irreverent about it

So I put it on the bottom of my dr. Pepper can I hate teams and uh, somebody had asked me about

My hate of teams and I took a swig for my dr. Pepper and you could see on the camera. I hate teams

So we all got a good laugh out of it. I think lauren are adding a levity to these meetings that didn't exist before

They're also serious

A level of silliness. We bring a lot of banter. That's right

Well, thanks for coming on the show and uh, we'll have you back

I know there's a lot more to talk about but this is probably a good start for uh, everybody going wait

Well, you guys are doing what so if you email me

Now you know why you're getting the cliffs cliff notes version of it

Um, I think that's probably the easiest way for people to digest everything

But certainly they can ask if they have questions. Yeah, we're good. We'll come back more hardcore next time, but this is a good start

Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. I'll uh, see you on zoom in a few minutes

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