[S8, E3] How We Would 'Save' Jaguar & Lotus?! [S8, E3]
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Jaguar Fpace
The F-Pace is an SUV made by Jaguar, which means it's a larger vehicle that can carry more people and cargo while still being stylish.
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Ferrari Testarossa
The Ferrari Testarossa is a famous sports car that was made by Ferrari. It's known for its unique look and powerful engine, making it very desirable among car enthusiasts.
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Audi Q5
The Audi Q5 is a smaller luxury SUV that is designed to be comfortable and stylish. It has a nice interior and is easy to drive, making it a good option for those who want a smaller SUV.
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BMW X5
The BMW X5 is a larger SUV that is known for being luxurious and comfortable. It's designed to carry more people and cargo compared to smaller SUVs, making it great for families.
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Land Rover Range Rover
The Range Rover is a fancy SUV that can handle tough roads and looks really nice inside. People talk about it because it's both stylish and strong, perfect for those who want a luxury vehicle that can go anywhere.
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BMW X3
The BMW X3 is a luxury SUV that is smaller than some other SUVs but offers a lot of features and a comfortable ride. It's a good option for those looking for a stylish and practical vehicle.
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Range Rover Sport
The Range Rover Sport is a fancy SUV that can handle rough roads and has lots of luxury features. It's designed for both on-road comfort and off-road adventures.
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Jaguar F-Pace SVR
The Jaguar F-Pace SVR is a sportier version of the F-Pace SUV, offering more power and better handling. It's great for people who want a luxury SUV that feels more like a sports car.
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Jaguar Ipace
The I-PACE is an electric SUV from Jaguar that doesn’t use gas at all. It's talked about because it’s a stylish and eco-friendly option for people who want to drive an electric car.
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Vauxhall Corsa
The Vauxhall Corsa is a small car that's easy to park and great for driving in cities. It's often used by people who need a practical vehicle for everyday use.
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Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S 4-Door
The Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4-Door is a fast and luxurious car with four doors, meaning it can carry more passengers comfortably. It's known for its powerful engine and sporty design, making it fun to drive.
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AMG GT
The AMG GT is a fast and stylish car made by Mercedes-Benz. It's designed for people who love driving and want a car that looks great and performs well on the road.
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autobahn mile-muncher
An 'autobahn mile-muncher' is a type of car that is great for driving long distances quickly, especially on highways where you can drive fast. These cars are comfortable and built to handle high speeds well.
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Tesla Model
The Tesla Model Y is a new electric car that looks like a small SUV. It's known for its modern design and high-tech features, like self-driving capabilities.
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BYD
BYD is a car company from China that makes electric cars and batteries. They are becoming popular around the world for their eco-friendly vehicles.
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Volkswagen
Volkswagen is a big car company from Germany that makes many different types of cars, like the Beetle and Golf. They also own other car brands, such as Audi and Porsche.
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Mercedes-Benz Sclass
The S-Class is a top-of-the-line luxury car from Mercedes that offers a super comfortable ride and lots of high-tech features. People discuss it because it's one of the best cars for luxury and comfort you can buy.
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Bentley
Bentley makes very expensive and luxurious cars that are often seen as status symbols.
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Mercedes-Benz Cclass
The C-Class is a smaller luxury car from Mercedes that offers a nice mix of comfort and style. People often choose it because it's a great way to get into a fancy car without going for the biggest models.
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EV
EV means electric vehicle, which is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. Many companies are now making electric cars to help the environment.
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Rolls-Royce Spectre
The Spectre is a fancy electric car from Rolls-Royce that combines luxury with being eco-friendly. People talk about it because it shows how even high-end brands are moving towards electric cars.
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Maserati
Maserati is an Italian car brand that makes luxury sports cars, which are usually more expensive than regular cars.
Brand
Nissan
Nissan is a car company from Japan that makes many different types of cars, including some sporty models.
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Nissan Qashqai
The Nissan Qashqai is a small SUV that is known for being affordable and having many features for its price.
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Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS is a fast sports car that is built for racing. It has special features that make it handle better and go faster than regular models.
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Porsche 911
The 911 is a famous sports car from Porsche that looks unique and drives really fast. It's talked about a lot because it's considered one of the best sports cars ever made.
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Porsche 918 Spyder
The 918 Spyder is a super-fast car from Porsche that uses both gas and electricity to go really fast. It's talked about because it shows how cars can be powerful and eco-friendly at the same time.
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McLaren SLR
The McLaren SLR is a fast and stylish sports car made by McLaren and Mercedes-Benz. It's known for being powerful and luxurious, appealing to car lovers.
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Porsche Carrera Gts
The Carrera GT is a super-fast car from Porsche that is very rare and special. People talk about it because it’s one of the best cars they’ve ever made and has amazing performance.
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Lamborghini LB640
The Lamborghini LB640 is a very expensive sports car that is known for being fast and stylish. It's so valuable that it can cost around $2 million!
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Ferrari F12tdf
The Ferrari F12tdf is a special, limited version of another Ferrari car that is lighter and faster, making it great for racing and high-speed driving.
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Ferrari F40S
The Ferrari F40 is a famous sports car that was made in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It's known for being very fast and is considered a classic among car enthusiasts.
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hypercar
A hypercar is a super-fast and very expensive car that uses the latest technology. These cars are usually made in small numbers and are some of the best in the world.
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delivery mileage
Delivery mileage is how far a car has been driven before it is sold to someone. It usually means the car is almost new because it hasn't been used much.
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GTO
GTO is a name used for some very fast and powerful cars, especially by Ferrari. It means the car is made for both racing and driving on the road.
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BMW 30 Csl
The 3.0 CSL is an old BMW sports car that is light and built for racing. People love to talk about it because it's a classic with a lot of history.
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BMW M5
The M5 is a super-fast version of the BMW 5 Series that feels like a race car but is still a regular sedan. People talk about it because it combines luxury with amazing speed and handling.
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Ferrari Dino
The Dino 208 GT4 is an older Ferrari sports car that looks cool and has a powerful engine. People talk about it because it's a classic and sought after by collectors.
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Mercedes-Benz GLE
The GLE is a roomy luxury SUV from Mercedes that has lots of tech features. People talk about it because it's comfortable for families and has a nice, upscale feel.
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Porsche Cayenne
The Cayenne is a luxury SUV from Porsche that drives like a sports car but has room for passengers and cargo. It's often talked about because it offers a fun driving experience while being practical.
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Lamborghini Huracan
The Huracan is a flashy supercar from Lamborghini that looks amazing and goes really fast. People talk about it because it’s one of the coolest cars you can drive today.
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Audi RS4
The RS4 is a fast version of the Audi A4 that has a lot of power and sporty features. People like to talk about it because it’s a fun car to drive while still being practical for everyday use.
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Audi Rs3
The RS 3 is a small but very fast car from Audi that is fun to drive. People like to talk about it because it’s a powerful car that still works well for everyday use.
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Mclaren 650S
The 650S is a super-fast car from McLaren that is built to be really light and quick. People talk about it because it’s one of the best supercars for speed and handling.
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Oldsmobile Intrigue
The Intrigue is a regular-sized car from Oldsmobile that was made a while ago. People talk about it because it’s part of the history of American cars.
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Volvo XC60
The XC60 is a stylish and safe SUV from Volvo that’s great for families. People like it because it’s comfortable and has a lot of safety features.
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Lotus Elise
The Elise is a small, super-light sports car from Lotus that is really fun to drive. People talk about it because it’s all about the driving experience and not about fancy features.
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Lotus Amira
The Emira is a new sports car from Lotus that is light and fun to drive. It's talked about because it brings back the excitement of driving while using modern tech.
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Lotus Exige
The Exige is a small, light sports car from Lotus that is designed for racing and fun driving. People talk about it because it’s all about the driving experience and not about luxury.
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Porsche Cayman
The Cayman is a sports car from Porsche that is smaller and less expensive than the 911 but still very fun to drive. It's popular because it offers great performance without breaking the bank.
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Alpine A290
The A290 is a small sports car from Alpine that is built to be light and fun to drive. People talk about it because it brings back the excitement of sporty driving.
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Ford Puma
The Puma is a small SUV from Ford that looks sporty and is easy to drive. People talk about it because it’s a good mix of style and usefulness for everyday driving.
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Well, this week, boys and girls, you find us in a jag.
A jag?
A jag.
Can you come in a jag?
I came in my project A.
Yeah.
We've switched into an F-pace.
We are back in Gravelwood stock.
I hope this doesn't sort of...
I think I'm rigged it up.
I thought he was going to get some punters cars to go around in.
You know what we got offered?
Tell me.
A Testerosa.
A Ferrari Testerosa.
Like, I'm so keen.
I'm not driving that.
You can drive, mate.
I'll drive for that episode.
I honestly don't know how we will do that as a podcast recording.
But I was just like, yes.
You said yes.
Of course I said yes.
Well, I haven't actually said yes.
What I was going to come on to say was thank you so much to all of you that reached out
off the back of our episode a couple of weeks ago where we asked for your cars to use
for these in-car episodes.
We got some really interesting offers.
I just haven't had a chance to get back and sort of organize dates and timings yet.
But the Testerosa one, I was like, yes, please.
We're going to do the audio on that one, mate.
No, I was going to say, audio is hard enough in a nice quiet cruiser like this F-Pace.
I'm not going to do your job for you and sell this car to the audience.
I'm going to move on.
Tell me, what's been going on, mate?
How's your weekend?
How's your weekend?
I'm all right, mate.
I've just been ticking along.
You know, there's a big lorry coming, mate.
That's a huge lorry coming.
Articulated one.
Yeah, and quite a narrow road.
Now look, I'm going to go straight into it.
I don't really care about your week anymore.
I'll put this.
If we have more interest.
No, no.
We're moving on.
What do you think?
Do you think our roads in England are now too small for the size of a modern vehicle?
Yeah, a long time ago.
Really a long time ago?
A long time ago, mate.
Cars are huge now.
I think genuinely, like, too big.
Like, places I go, I'm like, this makes no sense.
I sort of hold my breath and just hope that I'm not going to clatter a mirror or hit anything.
I think you've always been like that.
You're probably not wrong.
More of a summary of my driving than the cars getting larger.
But obviously I've noticed it more recently, driving a left-hand drive vehicle more regularly
in a right-hand...
Just doing things or don't.
Well, because I'm driving around on the project day, I just...
More and more things like, oh my God, I'm in the bush.
Because if I'm not in a bush, I'm not going to survive.
Do you know what I mean?
And here we are in an F-pace, which is...
I think this is considered a mid-size SUV, isn't it?
This isn't even a full-size SUV.
No, yeah.
I mean, yes.
It's X5 slash Q...
No.
No, this is Q5 size.
No.
No, it's not.
It's Range Rover size X5.
This is not X3 size though.
This is somewhere in between.
This is one of those weird sits somewhere in the middle.
This is Range Rover sport size, isn't it?
No chance.
The F-pace?
No chance.
This is X3 size.
No, mate.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Hold on a second.
Yes, mate.
Trust me.
Sizing.
Trust me, I lived with all these things for...
I think I...
I shouldn't...
Sorry, Tiger.
I lived with it for six months.
I mean, if it's not X3 size, probably why they've gone bust.
Hold on a second.
My data is low, and we're trying to do classic behind-the-glass on-the-fly research.
Well, there's a professional...
No, no, no, no.
You are wrong.
All right.
You are wrong.
As a professional sells these cars, I would put this in X3 class.
Well, that would be incorrect.
All right.
It is larger than you think.
Second time ever.
It must share the platform with the Range Rover sport, doesn't it?
Surely, mate.
I doubt it, but all right.
The Range Rover sport SVR and F-Pace SVR, surely this is the Range Rover sport.
How do we not know this?
Because I don't think it is a Range Rover sport.
Come on.
Why is my data not working?
I'm desperate to find out this information.
Absolutely no chance.
Oh, F-Pace.
Okay, here we go.
So, it is...
Well, all I've got is the millimetres.
Do you know the millimetre sizing of F-Pace?
Okay, let's do size F-Pace, size versus...
Okay, let's do it easier.
What platform is the Jaguar F-Pace on?
They're going to say XF or XE.
It's based on the IQAID7A modular platform, which is as well as the Valar.
Interesting.
So, I was right.
I would not like to admit it, we're going to move on.
It's the XF, F-Pace, Valar and I-Pace, interestingly.
Yeah.
Okay, well, it's a weirdly sized car.
Anyway.
But going back to your point.
Going back to my point.
I would say that, yes, they've been...
Which is probably why they put all these silly aides on cars now,
which actually, when I was talking to members of the public,
they prefer all these driving aides and these aides.
Which members of the public, mate?
Normal members of the public.
Who?
When do you speak to normal members of the public?
Every day, actually.
Not, you know...
In a derogatory way.
No, in a nice way, so I need to get some money off them to pay the bills.
Fine.
So, I'm quite nice.
When I've got their money, I'm horrible.
Yeah.
I speak to you once you've got their money.
That's why.
Yeah, go on.
Yeah.
So, the general public, not petrol heads.
Yes.
They...
I think they prefer all them security systems and lane assist nonsense
where the cars almost drive themselves.
Genuinely, mate.
I've done some research.
You've done some customer research.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think it helps in these scenarios.
We're on a single lane.
At no point were two cars going down this lane, I don't think,
but it has struck me recently, as I say,
because I've been spending time in the Project A,
just how tight and narrow so many of our roads are
and with things like...
I don't know, give me an example.
I mean, just new Range Rover in general.
It's massive.
Just massive, mate.
Yeah.
Absolutely massive.
New five series.
Like, these cars are...
Huge.
Yeah, impractical.
And parking, the other day I had to go and park
in a stressy moment with the baby and things like that.
And I went into a car park in my local town,
which I've never been into before,
that was, honestly, made for Morris Miners.
Like, it was like the world's smallest and tightest car park.
Not only to get into, but the parking spaces were
about big enough for a Vauxhall Corsa.
An old one.
Not a modern one.
Not a modern one, because they're big too.
Yeah.
Anyway, we spent the last time we sat in a car
together complaining about modern cars.
Let's not do it all over again.
Did you see what you wouldn't have seen
because you wouldn't have cared?
I put out a garage update that we can make.
Well, I saw it.
I didn't watch it.
Skip it.
Skip past it.
No, no, no, because I already know what cars you got.
So it's garbage to me.
Good point.
Yes.
It would be completely...
It would be a waste of your time.
Yeah.
But in that video,
I didn't talk about the costs
of my Challenge for Darling restoration.
And I thought it would be an interesting thing
to discuss with you
because I don't think you know the final cost.
I don't think you should tell me.
Because a bit of me is probably going to die inside
if you tell me.
Do you want to guess the final price for the paint
and obviously various trim parts
that were required in reassembly,
the wheel refurb, the interior trim,
like, you know, all the cosmetic bits.
The whole lot there.
The whole lot.
And it's not just the paint.
It's not, you know, the trim,
the interior trim is all the sticky buttons,
like, all of it, everything.
You want me to guess now?
Yeah, why not?
£45,000.
Oh, well, you will be very pleasantly surprised.
How much?
37.
What?
I mean, it's not that far off.
37.
37.
Wow.
I mean, just to give some clarity.
It's not way too much money.
No, well, the initial estimate was 20.
Yeah, but it's not anything, mate.
Well, we went, like, when you're doing an extension on a house.
37.
Do you know what happened?
Was, suddenly, Bill's just kept coming.
Like, the job was done.
Yeah.
I kept receiving invoices.
And I was like, hold on a second.
And the thing is, you could say,
well, you've been shafted there, mate.
You're right.
I've gone through it line by line.
I'm like, well, it kind of adds up.
Especially.
Honestly, especially, mate.
I think I know what happened there.
Knowing you as long as I've known you,
I think what's happened there is,
because you thought you got that car cheap,
you thought, right, well, I'm just going to level it up.
Just throw a load of money at it.
I have done legitimate investor man maths.
And I think I'm now even with market value.
I've ended up with my dream specification
back at market value.
Not that anyone else would want to buy my dream specification,
but my point being, I could.
Yes.
Yes.
But I didn't necessarily think it was going to be
basically double what I had estimated or budgeted.
But the most ironic part of that whole statement
that you've just made,
is that you're never going to sell the car.
It's completely worth it.
Obviously.
Just absolutely.
You shafted yourself.
A load of money, which I didn't really have.
So what I'm trying to get to is,
if you are a viewer of the main channel,
or you've been listening to this blogger,
maybe expect a few more brand deals over the months ahead,
then you would usually get,
I think there's going to be a few more
Chinese manufacturer integrations.
Fair.
Which I'm so here for.
You know, we've got to learn about these products.
Yeah.
I'm certain now.
I mean, jokes aside.
Oh, you know what?
It's turning in front of us.
So we haven't got a front-facing camera today
because of whatever.
It's the AMG GT 63S 4-door.
Nice car.
They are quite nice cars.
Yeah.
Have you driven one?
Hmm.
I'm going to say no.
Yeah.
And the reason why I'm going to say no
is because surely I would have remembered it.
I haven't driven one either,
but I've filmed with one
because Paul Wallace and I went up to
Alexander's Prestige to do a test drive
because he was half-consuming one
for half a day as he does.
Oh, my God.
And he said it was unbelievably stiff.
Right.
And now he likes a Rolls-Royce.
Yeah.
You know, his sort of view on stiffness
I think would be different to ours.
Yeah.
But I always see them knocking around
and in Europe they sort of seem to be dying
a dozen.
I don't know why I see them knocking around.
I mean, there's really not that many at all.
But weirdly, I do see them knocking around.
Not in this country.
Yeah.
Sometimes in this country.
But it's just one of those weird cars.
What are they like, value-wise?
Are they...
I'm going to put in a vertical as a bargain.
Well, I'm going to say 75, 80 grand.
It's kind of a cool performance car, isn't it?
Or is it a bit of a weird performance car?
Well, it's a bit odd, if you've asked me.
AMG GT.
And what would you call that body type hatchback?
Yeah, I don't really...
It's not a saloon.
It's a weird car.
Yeah.
It's sort of...
A bit of a project-type rival.
Literally.
Yeah.
But probably a bit heavier in comparison.
But way worse.
Yeah.
I didn't want to say it.
It's a bit of a bruiser, isn't it?
You know what that is?
That's an autobahn mile-muncher.
That's exactly what that is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say the wrong one.
Like, oh, it looks like a Volvo.
But I sort of feel like maybe they've become...
Do you want one or not?
No.
No.
It's not fine.
We can't afford one now.
It's 37.
Yeah.
Honestly, I'm really poor at the minute.
Well, I know that's like a relative thing.
But I feel...
Sorry, I should say, I feel really cash-strapped.
Yeah.
And it's, as I say, lots of brand deals coming up, people.
But only for products that I generally think are of benefit to the audience.
That is my rule, by the way.
Yeah, I think you've always been like that.
Yes.
My rule of thumb is either I already use the product.
I want to use the product.
Or I generally think the product could be of interest to the audience.
Yeah.
As long as it hits one of those criteria, sell, sell, sell.
I'll take the deal.
To be fair.
Max the cash.
Then, the criteria is you've sort of covered all bases anyway.
Especially.
You just don't bring many, mate.
You can get one for 61 grand.
The Larry one.
GT things, yeah.
We're 68,000 miles.
What's wrong with the decent mileage?
There you go.
65 grand.
Yeah, they're quite...
Yeah, okay, cool.
Yeah, so, yeah.
I will admit that I'm going to be selling out over the months ahead.
But I am going to try and do it reasonably.
I don't want to totally take the piss, but...
37 grand, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not going to be doing that again.
Hence why I'm not immediately rushing to cosmetically modify the Project A.
Because I just don't have the money to do so.
Anyway, moving on, that's all quite boring.
I wanted to do...
I wanted to make a confession.
Oh, no, mate.
Not again.
I quite like the look of the new Tesla Model Ys.
Tesla Model Y...
Why?
Why?
Have you seen them knocking around?
Yeah.
The new ones with the new nice light bars.
Yeah, the light bars and the shop.
They look quite good.
But I think Tesla now...
I think they need to do something, mate.
I think they've lost their way.
Oh!
There's an electric car.
I think they're in trouble.
You think they've been overtaken...
Yeah.
...by the Chinese?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
By the Chinese.
And also, if we're talking about electric cars, that new iX free thing.
Well, yes, I know.
We spoke about how excited we are about that.
Yeah.
Okay, so this is interesting.
Do you think that they were such first movers that now the industry has caught up?
Yeah, I think the industry's definitely caught up.
I think they were so far ahead.
Yeah.
Tesla.
You know, and really, if you wanted a car with a load of range and charging network, that's
what you'd buy.
Sure.
But nowadays, like, I think, especially the Chinese.
I mean, some of the cars...
Now, I mean, them JQ things...
Have you noticed the ones we spoke about the other week?
Yeah, look, they look good.
But they're not all electric.
No.
But you've got the Amida, the Amoda.
Amoda.
Amoda.
Yeah.
Let's not forget Yang Wang.
Let's not forget Yang Wang.
There's literally loads of them, man.
BYD subsidiary.
BYDs, yeah.
Go BYDs.
So when you say BYD subsidiary, is that like the Lexus of Toyota?
Yes.
I mean, subsidiary might not be the right word.
You know how I like to launch it.
I think it's automated.
It's within the group, isn't it?
Right.
So it's like Volkswagen.
Would you say that Porsche is a subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group?
Possibly.
It's a bit like...
Yeah, maybe.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
I could get away with it in a conversational...
Yeah.
It's an arm.
It's a brand within the umbrella group or something like that.
Anyway, well, yeah.
I don't know why.
Just those model-wise...
Do you want one or not?
Well, I don't think I could ever bring myself to own a Tesla.
To smoke around in?
I don't think I could do it.
Do you know what I mean?
I just...
It feels like too much of a giving up.
And they're never...
What are you going on about, mate?
They're not...
Give it up.
They're not cheap.
No.
They're not.
Like, even though I think...
Not at least still or anything like that.
No, nothing.
I've never seen them and gone, oh, that's affordable.
Especially comparatively to some of the new stuff that's coming through.
You know, even combustion engine or electric.
Like, they never, to me, look like great value.
But people always back, oh, yeah, I got so much money.
But I'm like, sorry, so much value for them.
But I'm like, what?
You got us a fridge on wheels.
But now I think it's slightly better looking fridge on wheels.
So, basically, it's just a nice little story.
It's just another car that you sort of like the look of.
Design.
Just talking about the look of, you know, I like design.
Do you know why we're in a jaguar?
Why?
Well, we're in a jaguar.
You know, we actually are in a jaguar.
Yes, yes.
What is going on with that brand now?
It's all sort of gone a bit wrong.
Do you know anything?
Have you heard anything?
Well, I've heard things that maybe I shouldn't or can't repeat right now.
Yeah, she can.
No.
Come on.
I...
You cannot tease.
I think no, no, I don't...
This is not any of...
This is my interpretation.
Right.
Of the situation.
Right.
Is that obviously the world has changed since they made their declaration of their new
strategy.
Okay.
Some of their top team has changed.
Yeah.
I think they've got no other option.
I'm sure we spoke about this before.
And I know a lot of other podcasts and people have been speaking about it.
I don't know what else Jaguar could have done because let's remind everyone, no one was buying
the cars anyway.
No.
Like no one was buying the cars.
Jaguar were out of business no matter what.
Correct.
Land Rover have been plopping them up for years, which is why you often saw Jaguar dealers
at Land Rover dealers.
They put them all together because they used to prop Jaguar up.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
So like, you know, apart from weirdos like me, it is not a thing Jaguar.
No.
So what is their...
What do they try and do?
They try and reinvent the brand to do what?
Like competing a space that they've always competed in?
Or their aim initially or this kind of idea to go super luxury is not a horrific idea.
Let's do really limited numbers and compete with Bentley and Rolls Royce.
Actually, if they get that right or had got that right, not a disastrous concept.
I think that is a disaster.
But do you not think that Jaguar still carries some idea of not necessarily luxury,
but it's a great badge?
It is a good badge, but I would argue that Land Rover in terms of luxury are higher than Jaguar.
Yes, but if they were attempting to reinvent themselves to say,
look, we're going to start all over again, but now we're going to come with really limited run
or small numbered, very high-end, really luxurious British made or British assembled.
Yeah.
You know, really perfect, what's called...
Yeah, perfect finishing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice product.
Exactly, leathers and words and all these things.
That's what we're going to be and we're going to be at 150 grand plus.
You kind of go, all right, I'm going to get like, okay, give it a go.
Still, if you're looking at a Bentley, a Rolls-Royce, a Mercedes S-Class, a Myback S-Class,
what else is on that level?
Well, let's be honest, you'd buy all of them before you bought a Jaguar anyway,
no matter what they were providing.
But that's the same as where they've always been now.
You wouldn't buy an XE over a three-series or an C-class.
So they were going to be in the same fight, right?
And less.
Well, firstly, they had to, you know, it would have made sense as an attempt.
Yeah.
And then they went, right, well, because of the way the world's going,
let's go electric too, let's go all electric too.
And that's going to be our USP.
And yes, you've got the Rolls-Royce Spectre and, I don't know what else,
that super high-end luxury EVO, that's going to be our thing.
So I sort of, as a Jag fan, kind of understand the logic.
Uh-huh.
But I think what they didn't see coming or the negative is firstly,
who wants a 200 grand EV super saloon?
Yeah.
Because, okay, there's enough specs out there, but those people, I don't...
If you want my opinion, mate.
Yes, please.
That's what I was about to flip to.
I think they should have gone the other way.
Because most businesses are about volume, right?
When you look at all these big manufacturers, Toyota, Ford, all of them,
it's all volume.
Right.
So why didn't Jaguar, instead of going up a level, why don't they go down a level
and make the same product and go and chase...
Not the Germans.
Don't chase the Germans.
Sure.
Why don't they chase that cluster down, Nessan, Hyundai.
Are you buying a Jaguar instead of the...
Because they're buying the Jaguar over near them.
But pricing-wise, they're going to be the Maserati of the group of overpriced.
Great product, but just why are you going to spend the extra money?
Because if you look at a Nessan cashkai, holy crap, they offer a lot for the price tag.
And what, you're just going to buy a Jag badge because you're proud of a Jag for 5, 6, 7 grand more.
But don't be 5 or 6, 7 grand more.
That's what I'm saying.
Be the same money.
I think...
Chase the volume.
See where you're coming from.
I think they thought there was too much value in the badge.
And maybe that they couldn't compete...
What made them think that?
Yeah, I don't know.
He looks like me.
And made them think maybe they couldn't compete financially at that level.
Because as you say, you have to sell volume.
You've got to sell volume, yeah.
And maybe they just didn't think that they could.
Maybe.
And that's why...
Because even with Range Rover, even big Range Rover, they talk about big Range Rover being like small batch production.
Yeah.
They want them to be very small numbers.
Right.
So, look, I get the logic.
I just worry about the execution.
And look, none of us...
And I said it when the advert got, you know, viral backlash.
I said, we haven't seen a car yet.
Yeah.
We've seen a concept and we've seen an advert that didn't make a lot of sense.
But can we all just wait until we see a car?
Yeah.
And I'm the same as everyone else.
I don't think it's going to be for me.
I'm like, no, it's not going to be for me.
No.
150, 200 grand plus EV saloon.
Like, I'm all right.
Yeah, yeah.
But...
It'll be for someone.
Let's wait and see.
Yeah.
And the remax not for me, but people can appreciate it.
Yeah.
So I just think let's wait and see.
It does feel like they are taking a big breath between all of the Type 00 feedback and then
revealing what's next.
It's gone a bit quiet.
And I feel like maybe on...
That's why I asked the question initially.
On purpose because I think they're like, oh, let's just let everything cool down.
But there is supposedly more coming.
I thought we were supposed to see something at the end of this year, but maybe it's
the start of next.
Okay.
And until there is a car that we can all actually see on the road and drive and buy and whatever,
I'm like, let's just wait and see, guys.
Like let's just hold our breath because it's so easy to be like, this is a disaster.
But what if it comes out and it looks amazing and it does a good amount of range and for
the Sir Alan Sugars and, I don't know who's, like billionaires and millionaires
of the world.
Yeah.
You know, I see a role as my spectator.
I'm like, go you.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
So that's why I'm just a bit, let's wait and see.
I agree to disagree.
Now, I want to have a fun game today.
A game?
Yes.
Oh.
You are obviously very good, annoyingly good at estimating the value of cars that you
buy and sell.
I mean, it is literally your job.
It's my job, man.
But I wonder how on the button you are in terms of value of collector cars.
Oh, something won't be miles off.
Well, let's see.
So this week, I'm heading over.
I've got to go to Luxembourg because Swiss quote bank Europe, who lots of you would have heard
me talk about before.
They're doing a really cool event, a Ferrari dealership in Luxembourg.
I'm going to go to that.
I'm going to go visit Julian at Deeland Drive.
But also going to swing by someone called the Zoot Grand Prix, travelling in Belgium.
It's a big, like car week type celebration with rallies and concourses and all these
things like that.
They've got a broad-arrow auction taking place, which has lots of interesting cars
including Daniel Ricciardo's Aston Martin Valkyrie.
Wow.
I don't know what Ricciardo is up to.
I thought you were saying that car.
Well, he is.
That's what I mean.
It's for sale.
Oh, I see.
It's broad-arrow auctions.
It's not still on display.
Oh.
It's being auctioned.
Nice.
Yeah.
So.
When you're there?
When I'm there, well, I'm going to go and see it.
I mean, the auction happens at four.
Are you going to bid on it or not?
Yes, I'm going to bid on it, mate.
After my 37 grand challenge to a restaurant which I've had to refind out.
Well, no.
I've got a Swiss quote back here at the minute I got on there.
I was like, let me just check my investments because I might need to cash out to bid for
these bills.
But I thought it'd be fun to go through.
These are obviously all the estimates.
Yeah.
So these aren't going to be completely representative of full market value.
It might have been more interesting to look back on it post auction.
I just wanted to see where your head is at.
So let's flick through some of these.
There's quite a few cars.
Some really good ones as well.
OK.
First up, just because it's interesting because for me, a racing green metallic,
so the same color as my GT3.
718, Kamin GT4 RS, Visak car.
Well, is it euros or pounds?
Euros.
We're talking about euros.
Estimate, it's got a €50,000 range.
God, give me a guess.
€200,000.
€100,000 to €150,000.
Right.
What happened to those cars, mate?
Well, the only reason why I said €200,000 because normally European cars are more
than a few UK cars.
I mean, that's in the bin.
Yeah, that's actually worse than our cars.
I mean, if that goes for €100,000, I will bid.
I will bid.
Will you?
Yeah.
And then you'll call me up panicking.
You think I thought, oh, maybe that's just like a really high mileage example.
Guess the mileage.
Well, on the way that you said that, like 1,000 kilometers or something.
55 kilometers.
What?
It's delivery mileage.
The bloke's bloody had his...
It's delivery mileage.
He's had his shirt took off.
I mean, like, absolute disaster.
Oh, mate, what has happened to that European market?
Well, no.
What's happened to the 4RS in general?
OK.
Because then we move on.
9-11 speedster, so the old generation.
What is that?
9-9-1.
9-9-1.2.
Right, OK.
Go on, have a stab.
€400,000.
No, you're way high on all of these.
€270-300.
Well, mulled on a minute then.
Because, again, if I went on that same analysis,
they're £250-300 in our country.
Yeah.
Remember, these are estimates.
And they might be conservative estimates.
We don't know.
Oh, they're going to go for what I said.
OK, well, it'll be interesting to find out.
Yeah.
Now, this one I find really interesting.
And potentially, this is a car that I think may.
You know, we've talked about before, like, buying up behind.
Like, cashing in.
You can go and get, like, a 918 Spider together.
Like Spike, get on a Plan Z car.
But this will be a Plan T.
Cashing in.
So, 4GT, but the 2006 one.
Which is such a cool car.
And, like, a really good car, mate.
Who do you want one of those?
Is that the manual one?
Yeah, unfortunately for you.
Sorry, I've got friends.
Mate, you haven't got any friends.
Oh, I suppose not.
Oh, it'll be my mum.
Yeah, the manual one, which you don't love.
No, it'll be on there.
But, mate, it's a great car.
How much?
Mm-hmm.
250,000.
375 to 450.
Oh, I've gone the other way now.
Go on the other way.
But I think those cars in the same breath as a McLaren SLR.
The same as McLaren SLR.
They're cheap.
I think that's, I think what that is,
that's kind of cheap-ish.
Yeah.
You know, a lot of money.
But I think those could be...
That era.
Carrera, GTS, like, that could start to go, go, go.
What, do you think they can go for that money, though?
I think that could creep up to, like, 700 or 800, maybe, in time.
Have you seen my Shilago SV price?
Oh, mate, don't even start.
What's that man there?
When I went to see that most of it at Vinnwicky,
he was talking about a manual LB640 going for $2 million.
Oh, no.
Mate, insanity.
Insanity.
Actual insanity.
Yeah.
OK, now, these ones, you won't know anything about.
These are really old, 1960s cars.
Let me find something else.
I mean, Carrera, GTS, do you know what they're up these days?
Euros-wise?
Over a million euros.
Yeah, 1.3 to 1.5.
Yeah.
This one, I think, is interesting.
So the 2010 to the 997 Sport Classic.
Yeah.
I drove one of these at...
Alexander's not a long ago.
How much do they go for now?
Again, 300, 400,000.
Yeah, 350, 400,000.
For me, that's getting sick.
Really.
Yeah.
That's too much money for what that car is.
Yeah, yeah.
That is collector world.
Because that was based on a bloody GTS one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really, like...
I remember that car.
A good body kit, but...
Yeah.
Nothing like extortion over and above that.
Was that, like, 120 or 130,000 pound sterling?
Probably.
Do you want me to find the new price?
Would that interest you?
Not really, no.
I just remember.
I don't really care, mate.
It was, yeah, 140,000.
Yeah.
I remember, yeah.
Well done.
Now, this one's fun.
Yeah.
812 Competizione.
Nice.
Love that car.
This one.
This blew me a mind.
I didn't realise this was going on.
Estimate for that.
Have a stab, mate.
This is not an aperta.
This is a coupé.
Coupé?
Yeah.
One million euro.
1.5 to 1.8.
That's a lot.
That's what I mean.
That's all the money for an 812 comp.
Like, TDFs never got that high.
They did.
TDFs?
1.5 to 1.8.
Back in the day, we were like 1 million, 1.1 million.
Have they cooled now?
Because that's still such a cool car.
TDFs?
Yeah.
I bet they're similar money.
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They come back up.
They went back down, didn't they?
Mmm.
But don't forget, they were, they were really not.
No, they're 800.
Are they?
Wow.
What a car that is.
Yeah, why is that not a car?
Why is that car not a million quid?
I think people are still not scared of it, but inherently find it a bit sketchy.
Yeah, fine.
Really interesting.
Gen 1 GT, first ever GT3.
I'm just going to tell you this because you don't care.
150,000 to 200,000.
Right.
I think they're very interesting.
There's very early GT3s.
Lots more very old cars.
996, that would have been, yeah.
Yeah, 996, Gen 1, the first ever GT3.
Right.
F40s, do you know what they are these days?
Oh, mate.
Three million euro.
Well done.
That's the best you've done.
Three to 3.2.
Yeah.
It's the closest you've been.
What about Danny Rick's Valkyrie?
Similar.
Two and a half, three million euro.
Two and a half, yeah.
2.4, 2.8.
You're getting better with the modern hypercars.
Yeah, because now what I'm doing now is I'm thinking it's a UK money.
Okay, okay.
That's why.
Yeah.
I'm not enhancing it to what I think now.
There was something else which I thought was very surprising.
Ah, we don't, I think the often unspoken about special Ferrari,
which you have spoken about in the past, 430 Scud.
Yeah.
Go on.
I know you bought one of them.
I know you did.
And like, I just feel like we're in the hyper round challenge.
Two hundred thousand euro.
Two, seven, five to three, fifty, mate.
That's quite a lot.
But delivery mileage.
Delivery mileage.
We'll collect as an addition.
Five million euro and GTO.
Oh.
Go on to the moon, mate.
Go on to the moon.
Really?
Yeah.
Go on to the staff.
Seven hundred.
Yeah.
Seven fifty to eight fifty.
Really?
They're going to be over a mil soon.
They will be right now.
They're going to be over a mil soon.
And then that's going to direct the TDF up.
Yeah.
That's what happened there.
They're going to be real, real crazy.
Anything else?
I mean, there's so many other cool cars out there.
This is such a great auction.
I can't wait to see some of these cars.
I love this.
Oh, 3.0 CSL in the 1970s.
BMW 3.0 CSL.
Yeah.
Such a cool car.
How much is that?
Well, they're saying two hundred to two fifty.
I know you can get some non-se...
You can get, like, CSI versions.
Quite affordable.
They look so good.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan of this.
I'd have one of those.
Yeah.
That's a cool...
I think...
Forget all these classic Porsches, mate.
Yeah.
Classic BMWs.
Let's get an old BMW.
I think that's the scene right now.
The old Wage 1.
Yeah.
Like, 2002 was like...
I have never got so much attention driving around London or anywhere as I did that 530MLE
basically the original M5, the South African motorsport car.
Yeah.
Or the old M5 touring.
Like, old Mercs get so much...
Sorry, Mercs.
Old BMWs get so much appreciation.
And old Mercs.
And old Mercs, too.
Yeah.
But you get an old, boxy, 70-style BMW and put some motorsport stripes on it.
Yeah.
People lose their head, dude.
We can get one of them.
You'd hate it, though.
I would hate it, but...
Okay, so my pick of the bunch of all of those...
I've got a few cars that I'm just going to shout out now.
Don't laugh.
Firstly.
Don't laugh.
1974 Ferrari Dino 308 GT4.
Brown, 50,000 to 70,000 euros.
That could be a steal.
They are wacky, quirky, cool little cars that get overlooked.
I think that one's...
Was it 308?
Yeah.
Dino badge, 308.
Is that the car that was in Beverly Hills' car?
Was that a 308?
No.
So this is the Dino 308 GT4.
It's a hideous car, but they actually drive really cool.
And it's the only other Dino that was made.
Right.
So you have the more traditional car that people think of as the Dino.
This is a four-seater.
Okay.
So it's a 70s Ferrari 408, but this is brown, so a big fan of that.
The other one that I thought could be a potential steal on the set.
There's a Testerosa, a silver with red Testerosa.
Estimate 160 to 200.
I think that's an interesting buy.
Silver with red?
Yeah.
A sparky spec, right?
How much?
160 to 200.
Testerosa's are still kind of...
I mean, they're kind of piggy, but they're, you know, a vibe.
And then the other one that I thought was very interesting was the SLR Roadster.
No one wants SLR Roadsters because they all want the gullwing doors.
Yeah.
Same as the...
The SLS.
The SLS.
But this one looked like a very nice one.
375 to 450.
I mean, if you're talking big money, but it's very nice.
It's just got 915 kilometres.
Dark blue metallic over sand leather.
All?
Yeah, it's very nice.
But anyways, I'm actually quite excited to get over there and check out what...
What's going on?
What's going on?
I'm just getting a whole load of emails.
Here we go.
Audi UK presents the Audi Concept C.
Do I want to go and see that?
I don't think I'd do it.
Very nice.
And then I've got a nice invite to check out some driving shoes.
Driving shoes?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's how my...
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Oh, I've got a really busy week next week, Tony.
That's my diary full.
That was amazing.
But Jake Siler did have a quite hectic week.
See, I do the Luxembourg trip, which will be getting the CS back out on the road.
Which I am excited about, even though...
Are you going in the Ferrari?
Yeah.
Order's text for last night, so...
Got a problem.
I was like, oh, God.
But we think it was just the immobiliser, so...
Did it work now?
Well, she needs to call him a friend outside.
You've got, like, breakdown assistance for that car.
Yeah, of course.
Worldwide.
Worldwide?
Goldstone.
I wouldn't mind about worldwide.
I'm not going to go there for a while.
No, I don't mind.
That car's great.
And so I do Luxembourg in it this weekend.
I think I'm going to swing by Paris, even though every time I take a car to Paris,
I'm driven into it, so I'm not quite sure what I'm thinking.
And then in 10 days' time, I'm doing a big South of France trip in that car.
Again?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A big one.
Because there's a reason for it.
Oh.
I teased it.
You know.
Of course I know.
I'm making out that.
I don't know.
Well, no.
I thought you'd forgotten.
No, I remember.
So that car's going to do 1,500, 2,000 miles in the next couple of weeks.
Then what?
And then it will probably have quite a quiet winter.
And then come back out for the spring-summer season next year.
I think I'll put it away for the winter.
Because I want to do a big trip in the Project 8 in the snow.
Do you?
Yeah, I think it'll be cool.
It's all my drive, isn't it?
Yeah.
You said you're going to buy a Range Rover for the winter.
I am.
Just a big one?
Yeah.
Is that...
That's like you're saying you're sort of being nonchalant about it.
Well, what would you like me to say?
No, I'm not.
Tell me more.
We're doing an automotive podcast.
Expand.
Oh, expand.
Yeah, I'm going to buy a Range Rover.
Right.
Nice one.
For the winter, I'm going to waft around in it.
I'm going to go on holiday in it because I'm going on holiday for Christmas.
Okay.
I'm going to Austria.
Oh, okay.
So you're going to drive down?
Drive down with my family.
That's cool.
My sister's coming.
She's got a defender.
So she's going to go in that.
Okay.
So I thought to myself, what can I have that's nice and comfortable that's going to be
all right in the snow if I need it to be?
Because we're going in the arse end of nowhere.
And then a football Range Rover would be all right.
A few questions for you then.
Right.
Firstly, will you put winter tyres on?
If they ain't already gone, probably.
Because I think legally you will be required to have them.
I think I have to get them.
Yeah.
So I think you need to get proper snow tyres at which point you'll be able to go anywhere.
In a Range Rover with winter tyres, you can drive up the gross clock, even if
it's closed.
Correct.
That will be unbelievable.
Yeah.
So Dan, are you going to break up the drive?
Yeah.
So we're going to go...
Good question.
Yeah.
We've got another 20 minutes left anyway.
Tell me more.
So we're going to go to Strasbourg.
Okay.
Because there's a nice Christmas market there.
Cool.
Very cool.
This is all family stuff, mate.
So I've got to do as I told.
Of course.
And if you were taking a Range Rover, I'm assuming you're not doing
spirited driving.
So...
No, no, no.
I mean, I'd like to, but the children want...
All they care about is, can we have the one with the telly in the back?
Yeah.
Okay.
And will you do that?
No.
Because what happens now is you just get brackets for iPads.
And you just...
Of course you do.
Fit the brackets in the iPads.
But will you get a lairy, like, executive spec car?
I'll just get a nice diesel one.
Okay.
But you're not going to go crazy on options.
Because you can go mad on options.
Can I buy a used one?
Yes, I know.
Yeah.
But are you looking for any of which have got the massage seat functions that...
Do you want the, you know, I'd say three seats in the back or the two airplane
style?
No.
Okay.
I'd like a...
A normal car?
D350HSE thing.
Sure.
Just a nice car.
But to be honest, like, I would like a Range Rover.
But, like, if a nice 110 Defender come up at the right money, I'd take one of them
and all.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Range Rover is my preference.
But...
Because you're posh.
No, I was posh.
I don't really care anymore.
I care a lot less.
I would like to take the turbo, but we all can't go in.
No problem.
Do those cars, to take an expression from you, suffer mileage well?
As in, will you be able to get in and get out, or you're doing that...
Not a bit alright.
Not a bit alright.
Well, it is what it is.
If I want to drive something down to Austria, I'm going to lose something,
aren't I?
Yes.
So I might as well lose something that I want to be driving.
But you think that...
So you want to be driving it, but also it would handle it better than, for example,
what would your other options be?
Well, the other options are the German equivalent.
So the X5 or the Q-set.
Yeah, I'm not interested.
Yeah.
I'd much rather be in a Range Rover than an M.
Or that GLE thing.
Oh, no.
No chart.
Disaster.
Disaster.
Not a Cayenne?
I thought about Cayenne, but you know, like, off-road, if I get in any trouble,
I'm better off in a Range Rover, aren't I?
Yeah, it's just going to be fine, isn't it?
I want to be a Porsche fan boy and be like,
no, Cayenne's so capable, but...
It's not, mate.
Well, I think it probably is, but a Range Rover, I assume, is infinitely better.
But not when the going gets tough, mate,
because it's based on a Bloody Q7 platform.
But do you not think all of these vehicles are sort of...
With the right tyres, they cannot...
Like, what are you actually going to be doing in that Range Rover, do you know what I mean?
You're just going to be driving on a road.
I'm going to have a skiing in it.
No, you're not.
I am.
I'm going to go down the black road.
You're going to be on the road,
and the road might be covered in snow,
at which point it's all tyres anyway.
The cars aren't going to do anything else.
All it matters is putting the right tyres on.
But I just get a nice warm feeling when I drive a Range Rover.
Agree.
And that's what I want to go in.
Yes.
And I want to go in some German nonsense.
You know what I mean?
I want to go in some bit of theatre.
There's been a while since I've driven that big one,
but they are...
They're amazing.
Amazing.
Yeah.
And I think that new one is probably the best one ever.
Just too large, like we said,
and I've mentioned it a million times before,
just made the Range Rover Sport,
I think it's a bit pointless these days.
Yeah, I mean, I could have a Range Rover Sport as well to be fair,
but if I had to pick out the two,
it would be the A big one,
because the price difference,
there's like a 10 grand or 15 grand premium.
Yeah.
I'd rather pay that and have the bigger one.
So I think with Range Rover,
the big car makes the sport pointless
because the price is too close.
Where for Lamborghini,
I think the Temurario might start to usurp the Revuelto.
Well, if they can get it to work.
What can they get the Revuelto?
Well, either or.
Have you driven that Temurario?
No, they all went and did it at Milbrook the other day,
but I thought that sounded quite boring.
You didn't go?
I'll wait so I can get it on Loon.
So you can go and do a little trip in it?
Yeah, because I didn't want to drive around Milbrook.
Did you ask Paul how it was?
Ask Paul what it is?
What did he say?
Well, he said I wouldn't like it.
You wouldn't like it?
No.
Did he like it?
Yeah, which is why I wouldn't like it.
Yeah, I haven't...
No one's yet told me,
oh, it's great.
Do you know what I mean?
Everyone's been like,
whilst I have had people say to me that they love the Revuelto.
Yeah, just because of V12
and it's still got that character and the old...
Yeah, it feels like it has a lot of versatility
to it at the Revuelto
and it can still be mad.
Right.
And I've spoken to people about,
yeah, it can be mad.
Where maybe the Temurario
has fallen into that bracket of just too good and compliant.
Well, not just that, mate.
I bet they've had to funnel noise into the cabin
whereas, you know,
when you compare that to the old Huracan,
they didn't have to do that.
Did they with V10?
No.
And, you know,
it's a tough gig to follow the characteristic to that
because that was a fantastic engine.
Yeah, that was one of the best engines ever.
That was one of the best one at that V10 Lambo.
Still an R8
and even I see R8's cruiser around the way.
It's just such a beast of an engine.
What about bringing that back?
Really?
Bringing an Audi...
Yeah, because it was going to go electric
and they changed their mind.
They weren't about bringing a...
It would be a Temurario, wouldn't it?
How interesting.
Yeah, seriously.
I saw that.
A return of the R8.
Yeah.
Such a cool car.
Yeah, yeah,
but will it be with that engine in it?
Yeah, or will they do something even sillier?
I think it'll be with that engine.
I think it'll be a copy,
be a carbon copy of the Temurario.
So it'll just turn down a little bit.
60 grand cheaper.
Yeah.
Don't even think they'll turn it down.
I think they'll leave it there.
They'll do what they've done with the old car
but just make it cheaper.
Just put a different skirt on it.
Which would make it...
I mean, would help Audi a bit
because I do feel like they're a bit lost.
Lost, aren't they?
Yeah, I don't even know what their products are.
When are we ever going to see a new RS4?
I feel like we've had the RS4 for 18 years.
I think the new RS3 just came out
and I feel like I didn't even know.
Yeah, well, it's like a...
Oh mate, that was a 695.
Was it?
Yeah.
A posto.
That was a 695 per posto.
Was it?
What were you at?
No, that couldn't have been.
It must have been a 595.
No.
The new lights.
Yeah, the new lights.
I called it at the last minute.
I thought...
So it was passed a yellow Abarth
and I generally thought for a second
it was a 695 record
and had a small panic attack.
Yeah, I mean,
that would have been worth turning around for.
Yeah, it would have been worth...
I'm glad you agree.
I'll watch the space with the Audi
and then we'll have to do some research.
They've invited me to the sea concert launch.
Maybe I'll go and ask them what's going on with the R8.
I don't know anything else they've got coming.
Yeah, because I feel like they do need to slightly...
Look at that crusty corner.
That's a good sound shot.
Yeah, I don't know if it is, mate.
I don't know if it's any good.
I've not been there.
But don't you think that all the Germans
have lost their way a little bit?
They're a little bit like...
Even Porsche, mate.
They're all a little bit like,
what are we going to do now?
No.
No, I think it's harder to understand...
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Mercedes and Audi, then it is BMW and Porsche.
Because Porsche have to keep coming out and telling us.
They keep making,
I'll change our minds.
They keep making all these statements
which we pre-empt here on the podcast
and then they confirm.
BMW, I think, are doing good things.
Design-wise it's questionable,
but as ever, with anything,
futuristic designs tend to age quite well.
Not age quite well,
but we get used to them with time.
With Audi, they feel a little bit stagnant
and with Merc,
there's just too many products.
There's just too many cars.
What's going on with McLaren?
A good point, man.
I told you, they were like,
we haven't got much going on, so don't call us.
Really? Yeah, I was like, OK.
But you're welcome to come for the buffet.
We had a late stone,
they literally got nothing going on,
so see you next year.
Yeah, what have they got going on?
I think the W1 got spied testing, didn't they?
That Silverstein. Yeah.
There's not much else going on,
but a huge amount of investment come in.
It's one of the F1 constructors of our championship,
so I guess there'll be a special edition 750 here.
I mean, that must,
because obviously I know they're different arms,
but it must help the brand, mustn't it,
that the F1 team's doing so well,
because they had a dollop of money, didn't they,
the F1 team?
Yeah, both of them have.
Both the F1 team and the automotive
have had big injections of money
and changes of ownership. Correct.
And yes, you've got to be right,
racing, once again, sort of dominating in Formula 1
or being as competitive,
I think does make McLaren Automotive more attractive
and it gives them more to talk about
and special editions and all these things like that
and they can talk about the tech
and now this is what Oscar Piastri's car had
and now it's on the road type thing.
But, yeah,
if they've just changed ownership
and got a load of money,
it feels like we're three years away
from any kind of products
coming off the back of that minimum.
Yeah, well, especially if they keep winning
and they're still not bringing anything out
because that's the time, isn't it?
You know, win on the Sunday, sell on the Monday.
Exactly. And they've got nothing to sell.
They've got nothing to sell.
Yeah. It's a bit weird,
but I saw R2, I saw a really cheap R2
or something like that.
They were like a deal on an R2.
At least still. Yeah.
New one.
Well, I think it might have been used
or something. Pre-owned.
Pre-owned, but I was like,
that just looks like unbelievable value now.
Yeah.
I do, regrettably or not,
I do look at my Clarence
because they're such good value for me.
I don't need one now
because obviously I've got tall car, but...
Yeah, 130 grand.
Yes, unbelievable.
Yeah, with the upgrade,
with the Spyder upgrade.
Oh, the performance of that terrain.
Yeah, because that's just like a straight back
to some really nice specs
for 130 grand.
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
What a car,
but it was the same as when I went to Hilton and Moss
and there was a 570 for 86 grand.
Yeah.
Or 87 grand.
I'm like,
that's an unbelievable car for the money.
But I've...
I mean, I've seen them at 65 and 17
in the trade.
576, mate.
I mean, they are for that money.
They are for nothing.
That is valuable.
Same as 650S is.
They're literally for nothing, though.
Yeah, comparatively.
I mean,
if you can get a good one,
that's always the caveat.
Yeah.
But, yeah,
I do worry about how quiet
they are at the moment
because
I think we want them to do well, don't we?
I mean, heck, we were
previous owners,
we spent about five years
slagging them off.
We've both come back round.
Well, we don't slag them off anymore.
No, no.
I'm excited to intrigue them.
I mean, they, you know,
they brought me back in and I'm...
Well, she needs to find a brand
to slag off,
because we don't really slag brands off anymore.
Yeah, I know.
I'm not going to figure it out.
You're going to find one.
It won't take you long.
Yeah, I'll just drive well.
Well, we're sigrily Yang-Wang fans, but...
Yeah.
I know who I'd like to slag off.
Volvo.
Volvo?
Mate, I...
Why?
Damn you, Volvo.
No, mate.
I like Volvo.
Do you?
Yes.
I think they've lost their way.
Well, I mean, the entertainment could do
have a bit of an effect.
There you go.
Sort it out, Volvo.
No, mate.
I have bloody great cars.
Are they still?
Well, I don't want to go too hard
because quite a lot of my suppliers
are cars from Volvo.
OK.
If they're listening,
they're going to get...
No, mate.
Really, are they?
I haven't driven a Volvo.
No, they're great cars, mate.
I haven't driven a modern Volvo.
When was the last...
No, that's a lie.
Speaking of which, we're back in Europe again.
When we did that video, that filming up in Scotland
last year,
we rented an XC60
higher car.
And it actually was quite nice.
Oh, I know a brand.
We could really slag off.
That's what I was trying to say.
That's what I was trying to say.
Really good at even Lotus.
Yeah, mate.
They've fully lost their way.
OK.
Yes.
In the bin.
In the bin, mate.
Go away.
Because I went and saw this...
I did a whole reel on it.
Collector edition Elise.
Yeah.
And there was a bit of tongue-in-cheek
because let's face it,
no, Lotus Elise is really a collector's car.
But...
Yeah.
It reminded me, like,
how special
those cars inherently are
slash were.
Like, I know again,
like, not enough people were buying Lotus's
and fundamentally,
they were flawed in many ways
and comparatively.
But, still unbelievably cool
and still offered so much.
Well, they...
They all had a bit of charm, didn't they?
Yeah, like...
That's the problem.
And they were unique in the market.
Yeah.
And that was a good thing
and a bad thing.
Yeah.
But now the...
Have you seen one of those
Emmaus on the road?
The saloons?
No.
No?
I've not seen one.
No, not one.
I've seen quite a few electricers.
I think they're doing mad
lease deals on them now.
But what's happened to them?
But not one Emmaus.
Yeah.
They're going to be gone soon, aren't they?
Well...
Geely will get rid of them.
They better sort them out, yeah.
Well, what are they going to do?
Again, a bit like Jaguar.
Like, what do they do?
And then surely just put them in the bin
because...
Yeah, and then somebody will come
and buy them and make
a lease rest at a more
tight company.
Like, because...
Well, I say bring TVR back.
Well, no.
Well, they tried.
Remember.
Here's my question then.
I make you CEO of Lotus.
What are you doing?
Bang it, myself.
They came after that.
Before that.
Oh, mate, what did you do?
Yeah.
I mean, they have got an audience,
but...
Who knows, mate?
What's the audience?
You go after that catering audience
and go back to what you did before?
Because they still make the Amira.
Yeah.
So they are still catering
to the die-hards.
Yeah.
But I think the Amira
has lost its moment.
Long lost its moment.
And done the same job
that they have already done.
Yeah.
And done the same job
that the Aurora,
the Exige, the Elise did.
Like, has sold to a certain customer
of which they are not enough of.
No.
So...
Because they tried to get...
They tried to get Cayman customers,
didn't they?
Yeah.
We did that
as we foresaw.
As you foresaw.
I was a bit more
enthused.
You know, hopeful about...
What would you do
if you were the CEO of Lotus?
Yeah.
What could you do
that would be a product that...
Oh.
Oh.
Can't they not...
Go on.
What were you going to say?
No, no, no.
You go first
because I've just had a brilliant idea.
I think keep the hot hatch alive.
Could they not make a practical...
Like a Renault...
Like an Alpine A290,
Renault 5,
theoretically light engaging
small car that's
practical and usable?
That's the other brand
I was going to go in on.
I'll leave that for an update.
Alpine?
Yeah, yeah.
Not interested.
But Lotus,
you know what they've got to do?
They've got to do a little bit like
what Subaru and Toyota...
I think they've got a...
They've got a team up with a big brand.
Ah, OK.
That's what they've got.
That's what they've got.
That's what they've got.
That word again.
Yeah.
Yes, OK.
So, go...
Ah, like, not fear that I've been wanting to...
They've got Abarth.
OK, so they've got the Abarth to the fear,
they've got the Alpine to the Renault.
Yes.
They need to Lotusify
an existing dull product.
Yes.
So, who would that be?
Good question.
What...
Because we obviously have the Lotus...
Peugeot.
They don't make anything good anymore.
I disagree.
I like the Peugeot products.
But...
There's always all the GTIs and all that noise.
Yeah, they don't even think sporty.
That's what I'm saying.
But Lotus Peugeot?
Well, they've done Lotus Colton.
Ah, what about Lotus McLaren?
That's a fire, isn't it?
That's literally a fire.
That's a fire.
Yeah.
They could launch it on bonfire tonight.
What could that be?
On bonfire.
What's Lotus Ford?
You could think of a Ford...
What?
What do they make now that's exciting?
Because I say...
Nothing.
Puma.
A Lotus Puma.
I think a Lotus Ford...
There's something in that.
That's the best-selling car in the country.
The Puma.
So then could you do a Larry version as a Lotus?
Yeah.
Why not?
I like your thinking there.
Yeah.
That's the way...
That's what I do.
If I was...
If someone at Lotus wants to give me two million quid a year,
I know I'll come and sort it out.
Listen, the poll starts at Volvo, the AMG...
Yes.
Okay, so go and find a manufacturer and...
That wants to make sporty cars.
Or sporty, you know, version of an existing car.
Division.
This is a badge, isn't it?
It was selling heritage.
Yeah, he's selling a bit of heritage.
No one wants an Amaya.
No.
But I would buy a Lotus Badged,
Ethost, something.
Yeah.
You've actually done well there.
Mate, why don't Lotus and Jaguar team up?
Oh, my God.
That is it.
That is it.
Say two brands.
You've done well.
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About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds around the future of Jaguar and Lotus, exploring their challenges and potential strategies for revival. The hosts debate the practicality of modern vehicles on narrow roads and share personal anecdotes about car restorations, including a jaw-dropping £37,000 spent on a Challenge for Darling restoration. They also touch on the changing landscape of electric vehicles, the allure of classic cars, and the importance of brand collaborations for companies like Lotus. With humor and insight, they navigate the complexities of the automotive world, leaving listeners with plenty to ponder.
Alpine A290
Audi Q5
Audi RS 3
Audi RS4
BMW 3.0 CSL
BMW M5
BMW X3
BMW X5
Ferrari Dino 208 GT4
Ferrari F12tdf
Ferrari F40
Ferrari Testarossa
Ford Puma
Jaguar F-Pace
Jaguar I-PACE
Lamborghini Huracan
Land Rover Range Rover
Land Rover Range Rover Sport
Lotus Elise
Lotus Emira
Lotus Exige
McLaren 650S
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Mercedes-Benz GLE
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Nissan Qashqai
Oldsmobile Intrigue
Porsche 911
Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche Cayman
Rolls-Royce Spectre
Tesla Model Y
Vauxhall Corsa 5 doors
Volvo XC60
Original notes
This week Tony and I discuss:
0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Are Cars To Big For UK Roads?
6:50 - How Much My 360 CS 'Restoration' Cost
9:40 - An AMG GT 63 S 4 Door
12:40 - A Tesla Confesion
15:45 - What's Going On With Jaguar?
23:15 - Car Auction Values
35:30 - Tony's Going To Buy A Range Rover
42:30 - What's Happening With 'The Germans'
49:00 - How Could We Save Lotus?
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