Scheduled Maintenance, The Cabriolet Comeback, BMW's Biggest Move Since The 60s? & More

You ever pick up a phrase, Nick, from a buddy from forever ago,

and you find yourself saying it periodically?

Yeah, I would have to go back and think,

but I think you just kind of get infected with what

your buddies say, don't you?

Dude, totally.

On behalf of all of us?

Yeah, like, I got an old buddy.

I haven't seen him in years.

He just said bingo, bango one day,

one too many margaritas.

Next thing you know, anytime I have more margaritas,

like bingo, bango, and I'm on my mind,

why do I still say that?

How are you doing, sir?

Happy?

You remember when I used to do that on Sports Center?

When you'd watch Sports Center and somebody hit a home run?

What did they used to say?

They used to say all of it.

Like, you know, you just say a thousand sayings.

So if you watch Sports Center, you just kind of would say

everything that those guys used to say?

Yeah, I saw a video, and I'm not sure if it was AI or not,

but like they brought back the old Sports Center,

like intro for like a day or something like that,

allegedly, maybe it was just on social media or something.

But I thought that was so cool.

Like, it just hit so differently back in the day,

like the older ESPN stuff.

Are you a little bit surprised that stuff still exists?

ESPN as a whole?

No, no, ESPN Sports Center.

Yeah, I am because it hasn't been reinvented very much.

It's not really anything that's like,

it's not any better than the short stuff you could find on social.

And I'm not going to lie, a lot of the presenters,

I don't think are the best top notch presenters for sports.

And I don't know, it's got a lack of luster.

It's not where they're putting their top talent in.

Absolutely not.

It's like, let's get you in there and see what you can do.

Yeah, I agree.

Look, it's post-Labor Day.

Dude, we finished last week's episode,

and I said, and even maybe two episodes ago,

hey man, my little German white silver GTI egg

has just never given me an issue.

But I'm going to go do my 120,000 mile service.

And the next thing you know, it turned into a two-day,

we might not even have it done in two-day service visit,

and you called me as I was driving back from Houston then.

I was like 9.30 at night, which by the way,

it took me an extra 45 minutes to get out of Houston traffic

just to clear that whole congestion area.

And I'm driving, and it had been a long 48 hours.

My bill was about three times what I expected it to be,

and I'm just driving there.

My eyes are tired, and then I get a call from Nick.

I'm like, oh, this is definitely going to keep me awake

for the next hour.

And sure enough, man, Nick and I just talked

about all kinds of stuff, and yeah,

I kind of wanted to start it with that

because I have, you know, speaking of the DSG,

I think the last thing you mentioned last week,

for the listeners of the Audi Volkswagen world,

it only cost me 450 bucks for just the DSG.

So if you're going to a dealer

and they're charging you anywhere north of $1,500, $2,000,

please find yourself a good BMW Audi,

whatever German mechanic.

That's where I'll start.

Yeah, so because we got something

to give people who are new here,

we got some kind of thing about a transmission service

on someone's Audi being basically,

what was it, like $2,000 plus?

Yeah, it was like 24 bucks.

I was wondering, hey, should I dump my money in?

And again, this is where we kind of go,

I don't know everything about the car you guys are driving,

okay, nobody, I haven't lived with all of your cars,

like just we need to say that kind of pretty clearly.

And so I don't know when you reach certain mileage,

everything that's gonna go into it,

but here's what you found,

and you and I have talked a little bit,

but we didn't talk,

we actually didn't talk about your service all that much.

No, not at all.

This is the conversation that we get asked about a lot.

Should I, dot, dot, dot,

with my 80,000 mile, 70,000 mile, 150,000 mile,

in the answer for you,

I think you should share with everybody is,

it was kind of a no-brainer.

Yeah.

Hey, I took this car in,

yeah, I'm paying two, three, four X what I thought,

but you never questioned it, right?

No, no, and another reason for it is that

it had been so reliable up until that point.

And when I talked to the techs,

it kind of explained to me,

as much as you like a platform,

some of the times you don't understand some of the nuances

that that manufacturer chose to go,

what route they went for that car.

So whether it was like, okay,

Campshaft cradle leaking,

and then you realize, okay,

they don't have the same kind of gasket approach

that most people have.

It's like, it's not like an RTV,

but you know what I mean,

like they put something on there to kind of seal it,

and over time it's gonna harden,

you're gonna get these leaks.

Regardless, it's just gonna happen.

You might think like, why would you do that?

But it's just what they do.

So that had kind of escaped me.

By the way, gasket would do the same thing.

Gasket, it's essentially just a liquid gasket

instead of an actual oil gasket.

So some people might be like,

so it might be such a foreign thought to them,

like why they choose that route?

Regardless, most cars,

we've all had rear main seal leaks.

We've all had some sort of a leak on a vehicle.

So the guy was like, look, it's gonna happen anyway.

I own BMW, so valve cover gasket, very common.

Exactly.

So when Nick laughed when I said,

so there was an oil leak,

before I could even say where,

he just started laughing, oh, the oil leak, huh?

I was like, dude, everywhere.

Oil pan, oil cooler, everything was leaking.

Yeah, but I think this is what,

again, we get back into car enthusiasts, okay?

And we did this thing last week.

If you guys haven't listened to the Labor Day episode,

I mean, we specifically pulled up sub $40,000

enthusiasts, you know, two door enthusiasts cars.

And what we found was astonishing.

You know, when everyone says,

I can't find, I can't find, I can't find.

And then you actually do the homework for five minutes.

By the way, it wasn't real homework.

We do the homework for about five minutes.

I go, I don't know, man, you can get a lot of cool stuff.

But yeah, man, you're gonna have to do some gasket work.

You're gonna have to deal with some oil leaks.

You're gonna have, like, isn't that kind of how

you view it?

Because I don't ever really see this stuff as a big deal.

When we get these questions, guys,

I'm probably not the best guy to ask

because I've bought so many used cars in my life,

especially BMWs, which I knew how to flip.

But from every brand and every truck and every,

you know, every truck brand that I just go,

that one has its gremlins.

Let's go ahead and deal with it.

It's now popped up.

Here we go.

I just, I really feel bad because I don't see it

as a big deal, but I know a lot of people do.

Yeah, so to piggyback off what you had just asked,

like I didn't think of it as a big deal.

It, no one, because I needed to get done anyway.

I'm very good about my schedule maintenance.

And by the way, the car stocks, guys.

I like Nick, I think we enjoy cars the way they are,

like the way they were made,

the way they were intended to kind of be experienced,

pause, comma, I should say.

And then improving it or OEM plusing it or,

just doing any kind of upgrades

is also just kind of a plus sometimes.

A lot of times people hate it, dude.

They hate it when they're like,

you're driving a stock still?

Like, why is it a stock?

I'm like, bro, what the fuck are you talking about?

It's a fun car stock.

Like, I don't need to throw an extra

500 horsepower onto the car to make it more fun.

Yeah, and again, if I wanna do that,

I am still gonna do it to the highest level

where blowing my engine up,

or having such camber on my wheels

that I gotta worry about my,

I'm not gonna do that, right?

I'm gonna buy platforms I like.

And if I wanna do something,

like you said, it's OEM plus,

it's not this, and again,

I just don't know how much of this

has been taken to the top levels

of people with modifying,

because really when,

I think probably in your crowd, my crowd,

many of you listening,

in your neighborhood or in your car community,

I bet most people are OEM plus, okay?

Almost like 90%.

The internet and content creation

has made you believe

that this guy's gonna take his trackhawk

and he's gonna make it 2500 horsepower.

And it's like, no,

most guys with the trackhawk

are just like, I bought the trackhawk,

we're kind of good.

I think maybe you put some different wheels on it

or a different suspension,

but this thing's gonna look how it should look

and it's already got enough horsepower.

I think the internet's made people believe

that all of this insane modifications going on,

but I bet in the most groups of our friends,

everyone's pretty near OEM plus.

Which by the way,

I may or may not have gone through Mexico

to get back home and this 392 Durango

just wouldn't leave me alone,

just would not leave me alone.

I'm like, I'm tired,

I just wanna drive,

just leave me alone.

Rah, rah, just next to me and I'm just like,

okay, from a 40,

I don't know where the car went.

It was the slowest moving boat I'd ever seen in my life.

I'm like, why are you making all this noise

if you're that slow?

So I'm just gonna go ahead and put that in there.

Yeah, I had an incident where we had,

I watched two electric vehicles going at it

on a road that there was no business going at it.

Oh no.

And I'm like, guys,

there's like traffic like two feet in front of you.

Let's all just, okay.

Let's simmer down.

If you guys wanna make out in your EVs,

let's maybe do that at night on a different road.

That's the funny shit I've heard today.

If you guys wanna make out in your whispering cars,

please do that somewhere else.

Yeah, and I would say that there were two,

demons going at it.

I mean, it was just so corny.

It's like, guys, this isn't the time, the place,

there's no room.

What are we doing here?

What's the movement?

I have no idea.

But dude, this legitimately went on for about two miles.

I was like, I was like,

I moved over, I got out of the way.

This guy was just like right next to me.

You tried to be so friendly.

You're like, dude, will you finally just pass?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then once he did, he just slowed back down.

I'm like, oh no, this guy's not gonna leave me alone.

So needless to say, he learned his lesson.

I've been in Houston for a long time.

You better just go ahead and let me get out of this place

because I'm about to come unglued.

100%.

So to put a pin of it, I did do a ton of stuff.

I got my little notes here, not notes, my invoice.

But yeah, the DSG, I did the whole 120 mile thing.

I had to upgrade the oil pan

because it had cracked,

because everybody uses plastic, right?

I mean, you might as well upgrade it to a metal one

if you can.

I did the oil cooler had to be replaced.

I had the Campshaft cradle because it was leaking.

All in all, it was about four grand.

So when I told Nick that, he was like, yeah,

did you even like, what did you think about it?

Like, well, nobody necessarily wants to spend four grand,

but I was like, it's gotta get done.

I didn't think you were just going

to a Mexican restaurant and celebrate.

No, no, because now it's ready

for more boost and bolt-ons because it has none.

But at the same time, I'm like,

damn, I just put four grand

into making this even more reliable.

Like the guy was like, look, this happened at 120,000 miles.

Most people in your situation, BMW, Audi, Volkswagen,

they're doing this maybe at like 60, 70, 80 already.

You got 120,000 before you put any maintenance,

like serious maintenance, it's pretty good.

I said, exactly.

And this is why I'm confident that as I upgrade it,

it's already gonna be more reliable.

At least that's how my brain rationalizes it.

Yeah, but I think it's all built upon

you never skip schedule maintenance.

Yes, which you have been so big on.

Yeah, I think that a lot of mechanics say that

to people like you and I.

And I don't know if it's always said

to their other people of like, hey,

I have a customer that has the same car as you.

They've done the schedule maintenance

and they went 120,000 miles before really having

to do any major type of maintenance on a real level

other than just scheduled.

And so when guys ask us a lot of questions

and they go, you know, you've said it about yourself

or you're gonna talk about me.

Why did I have my guys on my LX?

I was almost certain that they had changed

the transmission fluid, that they had gone through the diff

but I didn't have record of it.

So yeah, man, I'm gonna eat it to make sure

I do everything in my power to not have something

bad happen.

Now can bad things still happen?

Of course.

Yeah.

But there are too many people

that don't take schedule maintenance seriously.

Then they get their Audi to 85,000 miles

and they go, why did I just get a $7,000 bill?

And it's like, well, you forgot to tell me

you skipped the 5,000, the 20,000, the 40,000

or whatever their intervals are on your Audi.

You left out of the conversation with us,

me or you or your friends, that you skipped all of those.

And so really the money now is going to get bigger

because a lot of things popped up that shouldn't have.

And so when guys ask us about this stuff,

over maintenance is really is not something you can do.

Yeah, no for sure.

I know when people, I had a conversation

with somebody recently, a very smart guy

and we have a buddy who's gotten 400 to 600,000 miles

on it, it doesn't matter what vehicle he bought,

Jeep Grand Cherokees, I mean Durango's, whatever.

This guy drives coast to coast, okay?

He just doesn't like to fly and he travels for work.

That guy was swear to you,

he never goes 3,001 mile over an oil change.

Now, if you have on your record, let's say five to seven

cars of all different manufacturers

that you've gotten to a half a million miles,

I don't really think it's like by luck

that that's happened, okay?

But then there are people that'd be like,

oh, you could wait till 5,000.

Well, that guy's gonna argue with you and go,

hey, I do it right at 3,000 and I get my cars

to 400, 500, 600,000 miles without any real trouble.

See, you can't overchange your oil,

no matter what this narrative has been of like,

well, it's actually tougher on your engine.

I'd rather you change it quicker than slower.

And that goes for all of your maintenance too, man.

I mean, even going an extra 5,000 over

doesn't sound like a lot, but in the end,

all of a sudden you get to 80,000 miles

and this is very, very common in the German platforms.

People don't realize that those maintenance schedules

are even more important than something like a Toyota.

Toyota's built for you to mistreat it.

Most German manufacturers have no engineering

for you to mistreat the car.

They just don't engineer it that way.

Either buy it knowing that or get mad

when you get a huge bill a little too early

and I think that's just what I found my entire life.

Yeah, and I think that's the best way to sum up the,

well, I wasn't saying the lack of,

but more so if you go into buying a European car of any sort,

and I know people hate that too, like a German,

whatever the car is, like people,

you can't please people with these phrases,

like why do you call it a Euro car?

Like, well, what am I gonna call it?

Like exactly what city or country it came from?

Yeah, you only must off all brands

every time we try to bring up a general conversation.

Exactly, you know what we're talking about.

If you go into there knowing

that it's built like Nick just described,

your expectation can be reasonable,

like it's not gonna go like Nick said,

you can't go abuse levels like a Toyota,

like kudos to them for building it that way,

but it shouldn't also shy away from buying it,

enjoying it, and then saying, okay,

I had that car experience,

which is what we've been talking about a lot recently,

like that's big, buy it, have the money

to fix it whenever you need to,

and then if you wanna go back to a Toyota,

because you're like, hey, I wanna experience

this M3 or this whatever, and then it's not for you

or you wanna get rid of it,

and jump back into a Lexus Toyota,

by all means do so, but to completely shy away

from a brand or a car just because of the maintenance,

I mean, dude, it's just inevitable.

Not only that, like let's think about this.

Also shy away from it because two guys on the internet,

20 years ago told you, well, you're BMW M3,

it's got rod bearing problem, it's like 2%, okay?

It's like 2%, if you keep your eye on it,

if you keep your fluid change, you keep the oil right,

if you keep it monitored,

I don't know, two to 5% have had an issue,

but two idiots on Bimmer Reddit,

whatever it would have been the forum 20 years ago said,

oh, the rod bearings, it's like, yeah, man,

they can become a problem, yes, they can become a problem,

but let's also put the percentage that become

a massive problem before 80, 90,000 miles,

which is exactly where about where it is,

it's pretty tiny, keep things up to date,

keep your eye on it, nobody's saying

not to keep your eye on it, so don't misunderstand me,

but somebody once upon a time told you

it was this massive issue, and the facts are,

it was literally like a single digit issue, okay?

And that's the other thing, it's like,

I think people shy away because of something

that spread through the internet,

and they don't know what percentage that was a problem,

right, so they'll go away from like your platform,

because one person on the internet goes,

you know, I got a $10,000 bill,

well, you forgot to tell people

you didn't change the oil for 60,000 miles.

You know what I mean, like the platform is not built

to go 60,000 miles in between oil changes,

like that's what you did,

and by the way, I think one of the great things

that's happening if you guys, you know,

want to get your algorithm straight,

really start following good mechanic shops,

because I'm telling you,

those guys are showing you platform after platform

of what we're saying, and they go,

look at the sludge that built up,

this is why it built up,

this guy, when we started digging,

we found out this guy didn't do this,

and this guy didn't do that,

and that's why he's in this position.

They're not really blaming the platform a lot of times,

they may have a disagreement that they don't like

the average customer owning an Audi,

but they would do a real service

if you guys read between the lines and go,

if the guy would have just changed the oil

at the bare minimum, he wouldn't be in this massive issue,

and I think that's the benefit of mechanic shops,

especially coming on to things

like TikTok and Instagram and YouTube.

That's a really good sentence you just had there,

where some mechanics might not recommend

a certain person to have a certain car,

and I think that's not spoken about enough

because when you see these videos of like,

it's usually at a shop or even a dealership,

like one of them is, hey,

what are you driving, how much do you pay a month?

All right, that's a separate subject,

the other one is there in the shop,

hey, what car do you own, and what would you never buy?

Those are the two famous ones

from all these different cars.

Yeah, that's a good cause,

or those are two big ones right now.

Those are two big ones,

but if you think of the enthusiast

who can understand some of the nuances

of buying a used car,

what they might have to pay,

initially when they buy it,

or soon after they buy it,

they can swallow the pill of a two,

four, five, $6,000, a little nest egg

that they need to keep that car going

or upgraded or whatever.

The average person, okay, maybe buy the Toyota,

maybe buy the more reliable thing

because you aren't gonna be able to stomach

that repair bill that is inevitably gonna come to you,

and we don't hear about that enough.

It's more so that mechanic said,

or this group of mechanic said,

those are the worse, you shouldn't buy it,

no, no, no, it's bad for these people

who couldn't stomach that bill

or would want to even worry about it.

And remember, a general mechanic shop

is seeing sort of the worst of the worst.

Right, I mean, you know shop owners,

I know shop owners.

One of the things they'll tell,

I mean, they see the worst of everything.

So they see somebody that leaves the Toyota,

the Honda family, mistreated those for generations.

Their parents mistreated them, they've mistreated them.

Then they go, hey, I got a new job.

They go buy an M3 and they see the worst of the worst.

That person never took care of any platform

and they just wanted to buy a nice car

and they didn't realize nice cars have,

things you have to follow, right?

Not to say Toyota is not nice or Honda is not nice.

They're just engineered differently.

They're engineered for the general person to own.

You as an enthusiast listening to this,

if you want to experience the most fun vehicles,

there's a reality around it.

Because again, as much as I'm loving,

basically the 100 Series Land Cruiser,

I get my BMW and there's a level of fun

that I can't get out of that Toyota product

that I can get out of a BMW M3 with a manual.

And there's just a different reality

around dealing with those pieces of machinery.

The same goes on a construction site.

You know what I mean?

Like anything that's machine,

there's going to be machines

that give you a lot more of something

and then there's a drawback.

And then they're gonna get,

Toyota gives you a lot of reliability.

Most of their platforms, not all that fun.

Not saying all their platforms,

but most of their platforms are not built for fun.

They're built for the average person

to not take care of the car.

And they do deserve credit,

but we get so many conversations

where somebody owns an Audi, a VW, a BMW.

Should I put the money in?

Guys, if you're doing all the maintenance

and you know the devil that brought you,

do whatever needs to be done to keep that car alive.

If you like it, because the next one,

you don't know the devil.

You don't know who did what.

You're starting over from zero.

So for a guy like you,

this is a no-brainer to have this car

gone through on the level that you did.

Yeah, because at the end of the day,

driving cars, especially if you have to drive a lot,

or a little, even if you're driving a gas station

or your work or whatever,

driving cars should not be boring, right?

Every car's gonna give you the certain kind of like,

like you just said, your 100 series versus a BMW.

You still enjoy both of them, right?

You get the 100 series, you're like,

man, this is nice.

It's 20 plus years old.

I like it.

I'll put the smile on your face.

And then you get in the BMW

and it makes you turn into Tim Allen.

Like, oh, you know, like, we want that feeling.

We want both those feelings.

I hear you.

Tim Allen's a wild, a wild reference

from the Home Improvement days.

Love that guy.

He has the best.

That's on Netflix.

Just so you know, that's on my, that's on Netflix.

Oh, is it really?

And get all the Home Improvement.

Come on, don't act like you don't know, Rob.

I don't know.

Stop with the Jay Leno's garage.

Bounce back to some Home Improvement on Netflix.

Dude, yeah, Home Improvement's where it's at.

I don't know about the...

Hey, did you see your boy got the GTD?

No, who?

Jay Leno?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I didn't see...

He got number 12.

No.

He's been taking a lot of time out of his day

to do things instead of building good cars.

Well, you know what?

He's like, hey, let me deliver this GTD to Jay Leno.

Did he deliver it himself?

Yeah, I think you...

I didn't watch the whole clip, but I think he was there.

Okay.

Hey, man, anything to get some camera time?

Our boy, you know, he's looking at Elon.

He's looking at his people.

He loves the camera.

Yeah, the camera doesn't love him

as much as he's being told.

But yeah, he definitely loves the camera.

And by the way, would love to talk to Jim Farley.

Oh, absolutely.

This is not a dig.

I would just love to say Model T moment, huh?

Yeah, he's not gonna like those clips we put up yesterday.

Actually, one of my questions would be,

who inside your organization gave you the advice

on that keynote speech?

Because somebody actually on Instagram said,

you know, Jim Farley said Twin Turbo.

Yeah.

This is faster than our Twin Turbo.

I don't think any Mustang's ever been released

with a Twin Turbo.

That was the thing.

I mean, yeah, when I made the clip,

well, let's look it up real quick

because there was an EcoBoost Mustang.

I'm not the foremost expert on Mustang,

but I don't believe that there's actually,

I think maybe some aftermarket packages.

Well, I don't think.

And I'm not sure exactly if it was two or one,

but one of the EcoBoost Mustangs from a while back,

when they first, you know, went heavy into EcoBoost,

had two turbos, I think.

But it was never called a Twin Turbo Mustang.

It wasn't ever like, you know, pushed like that.

It was just like an EcoBoost Mustang.

And if you either knew it had a single turbo

or two turbos.

Yeah, for all you Mustang experts out there, excuse me.

Yeah.

I'm not the foremost expert on Mustang.

I thought it was a fun comment.

Oh, so funny.

And by the way, if it's absolutely true

that they've never really promoted

or delivered Twin Turbo,

and that was also in the keynote,

stupid speech, it's even better.

I think worse than having said it,

it's how he said it.

He sounded so unsure of himself when he said,

he's like, faster than our Twin Turbo Mustang.

And he's like,

Hey, somebody deserves credit for this.

I'm not gonna take the credit on TikTok.

Was this an Apple Watch?

It's hilarious.

Damn, you can't unsee it.

Now when you hear that, that's a good one.

Whatever you say, it was great.

Sorry, I don't know your name.

If you're listening to the show or you see this clip,

brilliant thing to say.

Yeah, let me see.

So the 2.3 liter EcoBoost uses,

doesn't use a Twin Turbo.

It's a single, I could have sworn there might've been

please somebody tell us in the comments

because this will probably turn into a clip

and somebody will correct us.

But I'm pretty sure maybe one or two years had to,

And the only reason we're talking about it, guys,

is because Jim Farley is the one that said, twin turbo.

This is faster than our twin turbo, which all I said to it

is, I don't know why you'd brag about that,

because you're supposed to be taking pride in your sports

car being a little bit faster.

But yeah, I mean, it was fun all around.

So not to rehash it.

But a lot of fun came out of rewatching and listening

and seeing people's comments.

Yeah, that was hilarious.

Well, speaking of, actually, let's go ahead and put

this towards one of our first stories here.

Because you know, Ford's doing a little bit of rebranding

when it comes to Ford performance.

Had you heard this?

Oh, no.

There we go.

No more Ford performance.

Dun, dun, dun.

What's?

I'm joking.

They're just changing it to Ford Racing.

Ford Racing, that's it.

Hey, you Ford guys.

Hey, hey, I haven't let the body yet.

I'm only looking at them.

I don't say you Ford guys just yet.

You Ford guys listen to this.

I actually really like the Ford performance.

Again, we're just back to, can you guys just shut up for a minute?

You're just doing too much.

You're the guy at the party that's bouncing around.

You're making the party uncomfortable.

You're talking too much.

You're doing too much.

Creeping the girls out.

You're trying to chill.

It's summertime.

You're just past Labor Day.

Look, man, just get into that fall chill mode.

Maybe grab you a pumpkin spice at Starbucks

where the people at Ford Performance are doing.

I'm guessing it's a lot of grabbing lattes and whatnot

from what I can see because it's not really about anything else

at this point.

OK, another big decision over there at Ford.

I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong

with Ford Performance.

I don't think there's anything great about Ford Racing.

Once again, probably an internal memo.

They're real big about releasing internal memos as news.

Dude.

OK, you guys are Ford Racing now.

OK.

Check this out.

Wake up, everyone.

Ford Performance is dead.

Long live Ford Racing.

That's it.

A rebrand.

Everything else remains the same.

Mark Rushbrook pertains a title of global director

for Ford Racing.

Henry Ford's great grandson, William III.

William Clay Will Ford III stays as general manager.

Nothing else.

Hey, you know you're rich when you got a lot of names.

Dude, right.

When you got a lot of names, you know you got family money.

This is William Clay Will Ford III.

It's like, I don't know, man.

I don't think you're doing that guy any favors.

But that's a shirt.

So for our audience, you know someone has money

if they got four or five first names,

and then Ford III.

Dude, every time, it's so funny you brought this up.

Every time I hear that, I think a third name,

I think of the guy from Family Guy,

James William Bottomtooth, the third.

Every time.

I can't believe you said that every time.

Dude, that is so funny.

Yeah, and by the way, what a great fan.

I mean, the only thing is, this kid's only had,

what, like two good football teams like in his whole life

because they just got good recently.

So I mean, you do get Lions tickets

and you get owner's box, you know, but I mean,

you get to cheer for the Lions

for all you Detroit fans.

You know your own sorrow here.

But I mean, you imagine being born into the Ford family.

Gotta be sweet.

Gotta be a sweet gig.

If we're talking about, and we'll get back to cars

in a second, if we're talking about these royal

type of families, who do you think would be the coolest

if we're talking about the car world?

I think Ford is up there for me.

Ford would be pretty cool.

It's gonna be hard to beat the Ford.

The Ford family has stuck it out.

Yeah.

And been involved for so long.

It's gonna be hard.

From an American perspective, it's gonna be pretty hard.

I mean, the Ford family would be pretty sweet.

Now, you don't really want them

to give you like a Ford GT.

Right.

So I don't know how much you can daily drive that.

I don't know what exciting other thing.

What are you gonna drive an Expedition?

You know, what's your daily drive?

I mean, an ST, you know, something like that.

I mean, but yeah, I mean, if you can get an old Ford GT,

you can get the new Ford GT,

you gotta find a daily driver.

But I think it would just be cool

because that bank account's gotta look awesome.

Oh, so nice.

You gotta be thinking yourself like, man.

And by the way, when you go to like a party

and they go, hey, what's your name?

You go, hey, I'm William Will Clay Ford, the third.

I gotta imagine that plays pretty well with the ladies.

Yeah, everybody just kind of slowly starts looking over like,

that's a, yep, that's him.

Why is this guy wearing an Ascot?

Oh, he's a Ford, got it.

Why is he rolling up in a Ford, in a Focus RS?

Cause he knows what's up.

That's what I would do.

I would do it.

Why does that guy come to the sorority party

and fraternity party with a Ford GT?

Oh, that's Ford himself.

Dude, that's Senor Ford himself.

By the way, I'm happy for kids like that.

I'm not one of those guys that hates.

Good for you, kid.

Oh, dude, same.

Every time I talk about those kind of people,

I'm like, I say the story and then I'm like,

good for them.

Like that's the first thing that comes to mind.

100%.

Good for them.

Cause let me tell you something.

I'd be using that to my full advantage.

As you should.

Just like any other kid.

As you should.

And I would be on campus with the Ford GT

just so we're clear.

Oh yeah.

Driving at the class, parking it on the sidewalk.

I'd want everybody to know.

Yeah.

They'd be like, who are you?

I'm like, you know that car?

That's me.

What do you think I'm gonna take public transportation

to school when I give you a drive in this?

You had your mind?

You take the bus.

Like what?

And if you have too many drinks,

you just probably have enough money to have a driver.

So you don't even have to get an Uber.

Driver.

Hail for the chopper.

Yeah, yeah, hold on.

I got my two cars.

A daily driver would be an excursion.

Oh yeah, the old excursion.

An old school excursion, low miles.

Just a tiny little like leveling lift on it, you know?

That like 7.3 diesel and it would just be mint.

Hell yeah.

And then when it got like a little bit dirty,

I'd be like, can you guys send me a new one?

Oh my God.

Switching it out like you're switching white shirts out

or something, like just gonna get another one over there?

100%.

Not wearing that twice.

They thought I wrapped my vehicle, nope, just a new one.

Oh my God.

People are gonna be like, what is going on today?

100%.

Look, we're gonna go to the other side

of the world here for this next story.

We all know that Nick loves Cabralis.

All right?

He loves going topless.

I love the least purpose built convertibles are like my jam.

Okay, so if we're thinking German, least,

what did you say, least what?

Least practical?

Like there's no reason.

There's like, there's zero reason

that they would ever have been built.

If we're talking German, we're talking Cabralis.

Hold on.

Land Rover Evoke is 110% of the overseas winner of,

I can't believe they ever built this in a Cabralis.

Okay.

What do you think should not be building one

but is going to be building one very soon?

Well, if Mercedes had any real nuggets,

they'd be bringing back the G-Wagon Cabriolet,

which is kind of underrated.

If you tell me BMW, that's gonna be a real hit to the ego.

Okay?

I got a BMW in my garage.

G-Wagon going topless,

Mercedes teases a G-Class Cabriolet and it's coming here.

We'd, ladies and gentlemen,

that absolutely should be built.

We do not prepare the way that most people might think

we would prepare for this show.

I always have the show run down.

The nicks like, don't tell me, let's just roll.

And that's what we did today.

Yep. That should be built.

That should have been built yesterday.

That should have been built the last 10 years.

I know for all of you that aren't into G-Wagons,

there you go, six by six G-Wagons a little wild.

But for those of you not watching on YouTube,

Rob's going through all these pictures

of different G-Wagons.

No question.

Absolutely the G-Wagons Cabriolet should be built.

And I detest that you even tried to frame this

as it shouldn't be built.

What are you talking about?

Not right there, it's sick.

That silver one is sick.

The silver one? That's your jam?

Yeah. Next one, back.

You're not driving that?

Give me a break.

Yeah, I mean, it kind of looks like an Izuzu rodeo,

but yeah, I drive it.

Wow. Watch yourself.

You're getting into real, real discriminatory behavior.

This actually looks like those mini vehicles you see

on social that come over like Timu

or wherever they come from.

Hey, I'm going to say this.

Don't besmirch the G-Wagons Cabriolet.

Don't besmirch it.

I think that looks hideous.

That looks terrible.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't do two-tone.

I mean that kind of two-tone with the brown top.

You don't do a brown top.

That one looks okay.

That brown top, no.

You like that one too?

That one looks okay.

It's because the color looks better.

Well, because it's down.

Yeah, yeah, because it's not falling.

Correct.

It's better when it's the top sonata.

G-Wagon Cabriolet is a no-brainer.

Obviously, you got a bunch of people in the G-Wagon buyers

circle that are buying things like Bronco.

If you offered something like this,

this would be the beach cruiser they would buy.

That actually looks better with the top down, that same one.

Yeah, yeah, the top looks great down.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, we can probably all expect,

man, it looks nice on the inside too.

We can all expect Nick to cruise one of these.

One thing AMG will do is some nice interiors

and we'll say these as a whole.

Man, oh man.

And if you guys want to see Nick take care of a really, really

nice interior on a Maybach, it's on the HyperClean Store

YouTube channel.

Things was sick.

Yeah, that Maybach is.

I'm going to tell you, you drive that car, you go.

Yeah, I see this could cost 285 grand pretty quick.

So you know the way people go,

like when they get into an electric car

and they've become like fanatics of it

and then they just think like all other cars are dumb.

Is it the same effect on the Maybach you think?

Where it's like, you get into that, you're like, wait a minute.

No, this is where it's at.

Everything else is dumb.

I think it's a certain class.

When you get to a certain level of buying power,

it's pretty hard to go backwards.

And I had this a lot during the Bronco craze

during the pandemic where Broncos became so hot.

And especially like, what was it?

Badlands Edition and this edition and that edition.

They did an excellent job on that launch, right?

And I had person after person

that was already in the class of vehicle that I go,

guy, you're going to get this Bronco.

You're going to get in it and you're going to go,

what is this?

I think you get to a certain level of vehicle is very tough.

I had this with, I had somebody buy a Model 3 that I know

who's like in the top echelon of buyer.

And he's like, well, I just, I go, well, first of all,

you should have probably bought the S just to really get a,

but I said, you're going to hate this thing.

He was in it for two seconds.

He's like, yeah, you know, give this to somebody,

get rid of it, you know, sell it back.

I mean, it was something like that quickly

because he just wanted the experience.

But I kind of told him, we talked about it afterwards.

We're pretty good friends.

And I said, dude, you're already at this,

you're at the top level of buyer.

Like, you know, Lucid would have made some sense.

Rivian would have made some sense to you.

But going down to an entry level Model 3, that's not really,

and I've had people, I've said it on this,

that literally got Lucid's, you know, Lucid dreams,

whatever, got the highest end.

They had it for a week and we're like, not for me.

You know, even, and it's very nice, well built,

a lot of great features, nothing wrong with the car.

I don't really, I'm not a really fan of the two tone.

I, that's just not my thing.

But they get in them and they're just like, no, not for me.

Like, you know, I'm going to go buy a Bentley.

I'm going to go, but I just think you get

to a certain level, man.

And it's real hard to go backwards.

For me, it's really, even when I get to drive

these vehicles, it's really not hard for me

to go back to the vehicles I have

because the things I buy, I like.

I want to own, I want to be a part of it.

And I think that would, it would mess you up

if you weren't comfortable with the things that you own.

I think that could get you really messed up.

Yeah, I want to, I want to come back to this,

but since we're almost halfway through this week's episode,

if you're new to the show, this is welcome

to the number one automotive related podcast

on planet earth.

It's the fastest growing automotive podcast ever created

by two people on planet earth.

And we talk about car predictions.

We talk about the market.

You're talking about you having four first names.

We have a lot of car content.

William Bottomtooth from Family Guy,

comparing him to the Ford, you know,

Air or Ares, I don't know.

But more importantly, we offer you a good hang

and we've been getting more and more comments on YouTube,

actually in our latest Apple review,

if you haven't left them, please leave one,

kind of quoting that saying like, dude, this show is great.

You do offer us a good hang.

Like we do appreciate the good hang,

the market predictions that all of the other

real life stories and scenarios are also enjoyed,

but the good hang is what everybody enjoys.

So Nick, bravo to you and both of us for,

I guess, giving the people what they want.

Hey, we're gonna give ourselves a pat on the back.

The hell yeah.

As you, if you're new, we do that seminar.

I should say I do that.

Yeah, that does it pretty much every episode.

Every other episode.

People like to pat themselves on the back, please tune in.

Only because I'm providing a service to the people

and that makes me feel good.

So I'll pat myself on the back for the service.

But look, listen, what you just said was really,

really good because I think we might've mentioned it

on a phone call when I was driving back home.

If you, like going backwards, like you said,

is really hard to do, but a lot of,

I don't want to point out anybody specifically,

but a lot of creators sometimes might feel like

they're doing everything for the views, right?

For the click, for the, just for that,

that aspect of cars is the internet.

And if they go up to a certain thing,

going back down, a lot of times they can't do it

for their own ego, but a lot of times

that's what the people actually want to watch.

Like they want to watch you work on stuff

that they can actually buy and attain.

Sure.

Yeah, and I think this is kind of,

and it's not an indictment of the automotive media.

It's just kind of how it's worked is,

you know, you get invited to an Aston Martin

and you get to drive all their cool cars.

I mean, you're going to be less likely

to want to go get in a Ford Explorer.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like you're just not going to want to do that.

It's not anything against the Ford Explorer.

You were just at an Aston Martin event.

And if you drive 27 Porsches in a row,

you're not going to really be, you know,

trying to get in a Miata and go around

and tell people about the new Miata platform.

I mean, but there's been a big disconnect in that.

And I understand why it's not a judgment.

It, there's a level of belief

that people are only going to tune in

to the most special cars.

And by the way, if they make 1,000, 1,500, 2,500,

or as many as somebody will order,

that ain't that special.

Okay, special means there's a limited number

and they'll never build another one,

but little dirty secret in the super car world,

right guy calls you in once one

and you're going to build one,

not as special as you think.

And I had this conversation recently with someone

and go, you know, as special as something like F40 is.

Okay, it's a special vehicle, a Kuntas.

You know, it's amazing.

You can always buy one.

There's always one for sale.

You know, so, so you guys going to the dealership

and thinking this is the one Ford truck

or the, I got to get this Chevy.

You're going to be always be able to get something you want.

But I think the thing is, you know,

for people that watch and consume a lot of this stuff,

I do think it's more fun.

Everything becomes more fun

when you're driving something that you personally like.

And it doesn't mean it's your dream car, right?

I think that's what we were trying to get across

with our Labor Day episode is

too many of people are contacting us,

waiting on buying their dream car.

Guys, just buy something fun now

and buy something fun now and enjoy it.

And then when you make it big

or you get that big promotion,

you can go get that dream car,

whatever that date is in the future,

your dream car is going to be available.

Now, is it going to be the exact price you want,

the exact mileage you want?

That's all up for debate.

But I think one of the cool things

about having this conversation,

it is very tough to take a step back

if you're not really into the stuff

that you have to take a step back to.

I'm really into the 100 series I own right now.

So I have no problem hopping in that and driving it.

So driving the Maybach, which is a, you know,

close to a $300,000 experience,

is not that big a deal for me to go.

Really nice experience, really awesome,

what they've done, really luxurious.

I hop in my car, I don't give it a second thought.

I don't think everyone's built that way

and I understand it too.

Yeah, and it's kind of unfortunate because,

like you said, when you wait for that dream car,

a lot of times you get the dream car

and like you're not as impressed

or you're not as satisfied as you thought you would be.

Well, there's a fact that I've learned the hard way

myself, probably like yourself.

When you get to the next level financially,

you want something one level above what you can afford.

Always.

So you're always going to change the goalpost.

You'd be like, hey, I always wanted to own a GT3.

Then by the time you can own one, you're like, you know,

I like to have a Pagani.

Yeah, that's just how it works.

Yeah, dude, psychos for all psychos.

I like, whatever it is, right?

I'm just using an example.

Like very rarely do you get to the end of this thing.

So stop waiting for the end.

The end doesn't, very few people are getting

to experience the end of their car enthusiasm.

That just doesn't really happen.

Yeah, I think that's where to kind of like

really solidify that my point here is don't lose

the interest in the regular Schmaggular cars,

I guess, that we talk about because if you ever have

to go back or you just decide to go back,

it won't be such a bummer that you're driving a 2010

or 2008 something.

No, and by the way, I have to, a lot of times in my own

personal life, talking to people about cars and they go,

you could afford this, why don't you buy it?

And I go, this is what I like.

I do own things that I like.

And that doesn't mean I don't like a 2018 X, Y, Z

or a 2022, whatever.

It just doesn't interest me as much as you think it would.

And part of it is for a guy like myself,

I get to be around this stuff.

Okay, like I get to be around it

and maybe that scratches the itch or whatever.

But the reality that I have is that this is what I like.

And owning a 2008 BMW M3, it doesn't feel like

I'm making a sacrifice because I'm not.

It's what I want to own.

Now, somebody gives me the right offer.

Offer's always accepted at the email address.

The car's gone the next day.

I mean, I just, everybody knows.

ClutchCulturePodcast at gmail.com.

If you're looking for a,

If you give the right offer, that baby's gone tomorrow.

Yeah. Don't get it twisted.

There's a, there's a, you know, a lot of guys

that go around car shows talking to guys about their cars

and sometimes you'll find the really rich guys

that have like a really rare type of car.

And they're like, hey, would you ever sell this?

And the guy that really knows what type he's like,

I mean, everything has a price, you know?

He's so casual about it.

Yeah. No, there is no, there is no,

once you trade and buy and sell enough cars,

you realize there's always another one to get.

There's always another one you'd like to experience.

There's always something, right?

And that's what we want to instill in people.

Guys, go enjoy something now.

When you're done with it, sell it.

Yeah. You might lose a few.

You might make a few.

You might break even.

That's all part of the game.

Go have fun with it.

And I think it's just more enjoyable that way.

You know, I asked you a couple of weeks back about,

it was a really fun conversation people enjoyed about.

What's too much when it comes to paying for a car

where you lose your shirt, right?

For the one year experience

or one year ownership experience that we talked about.

Well, when you buy a used car,

and we talked a lot about more so the German type cars,

in your mind, as a suggestion to people listening,

what should they expect to or try to have on hand

in case they need to make some sort of immediate repair

or upgrade to a car that they buy used?

I always say 10% of the purchase price.

Okay.

So, you know, let's say you buy a $30,000 used BMW.

I'd be ready to dump three grand into it.

Makes sense.

First day I own it.

God damn, first day.

And again, just because it's not that it's going to happen,

but I don't think you should buy a used car

and not immediately go through the entire thing

the first week.

I'm not saying the first day you get it, right?

Go drive it, have a good time,

make sure no lights are on or whatever,

like you're not in a dire situation.

But, you know, within that first week to two weeks,

you know, it's getting to a mechanic

and I'm going to put my oil in it

and I'm going to go through all the fluids

and different things like that.

I'm going to have them check through everything,

see if there's oil leaks, you know,

look at things like the suspension,

make sure I don't have anything,

look at tire wear, look at brakes.

I just am kind of accustomed to doing that.

So 10% of the sale price.

And again, you got to remember guys,

if you're buying from an auction,

that auction fee is part of the sales price.

Okay, so if you bought a $30,000 car

and let's say there was a,

I'm just going to use a round number,

a $5,000, you know, auction fee,

it's $3,500 is 10%, not the 30 you paid, right?

So whatever that whole invoice costs you,

keep 10% and be ready to spend that right away.

And I don't really think it's out of bounds

to think you're going to spend somewhere

between five and 800 bucks just changing everything out,

you know, going through air filters,

you might end up with some brake issues,

you might end up having to put some tires on,

like just keep some money around

and you know, you'll be good to go.

When a lot of people go out of a car shop

and it's funny that, and this is all of us,

I don't want to just generalize here,

but you're looking for the best deal

for the car that you want to buy,

which is fair, we all want that.

And because of that, like you're in such a like,

find the best deal, find the best,

you know, whatever mileage,

find the best spack or whatever,

you're in that mode, mind mode,

and then you get the car and you're so in the,

let's try to like save as much as I can

on this purchase that you don't think

I should probably do the scheduled maintenance

if it's a more modern car, as soon as I get it,

because you were saving so much money,

you're like, I'm not about to dump three, four,

five grand into the scheduled maintenance of this car.

And it's like, bro, like that's what's gonna keep you,

you know, enjoying that car longer,

you saved money on the purchase, ideally,

like put that into the scheduled maintenance aspect,

get out of the, find the deal mode.

Yeah, maybe like simple things like this.

I mean, a lot of cars you get

have real cheap brake pads.

I mean, it's just the way people operate.

Shops will tell you that.

They'll say, this is what should go on here.

The guy'll be four levels down from where he should.

So, you know, pulling brake pads is a pretty normal thing,

going through or the rotors,

they got any kind of like warping or deep,

you know, scouring or things like that.

Like it's a good point you make

is if you save on the front end, which is awesome, right?

So we all want to do, if you save on the front end,

man, go dump that in, especially like there,

there's always this one weird thing that happens.

So when I bought my M3,

it arrived with like 39,000 miles on it.

Let's say there's a 40,000 mile scheduled maintenance.

I'm just doing it.

Absolutely.

Like that, I just, I'm not gonna drive it 1000 miles

and then do the 40.

It's like, I got it here.

I want it gone through, you know, do all of the oil,

check the gaskets, check for oil leaks,

but change everything out and do the scheduled maintenance.

I'm gonna knock it all the way out.

And that's also kind of a good thing to do.

If you're buying a car,

one of the things you can always tell people is,

if you know what a 40,000 mile maintenance is,

what it's gonna cost you,

it's good to go to the guy if it's 39,000 miles and go,

well, look, you're escaping the 40,000 mile service.

I'm gonna be inheriting it.

Correct.

Let's go ahead and take that off the purchase price

and I'll go ahead and have the 40th,

or you can give me paperwork and proof that you go

and do it and I'll pay the extra 1200 bucks to you,

but you're gonna do it at a reputable shop.

And so those are points.

If you become maintenance focused

and you know what needs to be done to the car

at the time you buy it and what's coming up,

what's coming around the corner,

a lot of stuff like timing chains and timing belts

and all those things,

water pumps on certain vehicles.

Those are good things to bring up and go,

hey, you didn't change this.

This is kind of a time bomb.

I'm gonna be inheriting.

When I get it, that's exactly where it's going

is to have this thing changed.

You should have changed.

It's a good negotiating tactic.

Private party is a little more understanding about that

just so we're clear.

The dealership might not even be aware

that those things are a problem,

it's gonna be shocked when you're the person telling them.

But a private party that's an enthusiast usually does know

that those things are coming.

Yeah, and usually people,

the average person will always go to the tires

and they're like, oh, how do the tires like,

does it need new tires?

Like that's about as far as they go.

But I'm like, no, bro, schedule maintenance

at the very least to try to use that

as another negotiation tactic.

Yeah, good call.

Oh, and then I gotta say too,

the like cleaning the car, man.

When you get a car, unless it's brand, brand new,

if it's used car,

getting people's fart smell out of the car,

getting people's whatever,

like all the gross touching it,

like just sticky shit that's all over the car,

like clean it with your stuff.

And for me, obviously it's Nick's hyper clean products

at hypercleanstore.com.

But that is like, and even my wife's,

it was, it's a 24, but it had a little bit of miles on it.

So it wasn't brand new, but damn you're new.

I still cleaned it with the products

because it gives it a like neutral smell.

It's not like overwhelming.

Yeah, my family, when we bought the GX,

that car didn't get driven

until we had full body PPF.

We had gone through every inch of the interior.

We got through every inch of the exterior.

We had coated everything, PPFed everything,

then it got driven.

And now with two kids and in parking lots,

I'm glad we did it, right?

We've saved door, we've saved some door scuffs.

We've saved all kinds of different things.

We coated it with all of our products.

We cleaned every inch with our product.

And I will say this for those that have never listened

to me, one of the things

that I would recommend, especially if you buy something,

let's just say more used than a couple thousand miles.

Let's say it has 40,000, 60,000, 80,000 miles.

Do yourself a favor.

You'll never regret this.

Go get yourself a new set of OEM mats.

You're gonna be happier.

That's the move.

That really did put a smile on the next face

when you got those new mats in the LA.

100%.

Hey, let me tell you.

New mats, biggest underrated thing.

I know people are, and you, look,

we have a carpet system at HyperClean.

You can get them to like new.

But they're pretty beat up.

They've been mistreated.

One of the great things, just OEM mats are pretty affordable.

Yeah.

Okay, talking about a couple hundred bucks,

300 bucks, good little way to get the,

what do you call it, the fart smell?

Yeah.

Good way to get the fart smell out.

All right, look, I'm gonna do one more story

before we get to one or two emails from listeners.

By the way, that's a clutch culture podcast

at gmail.com.

If you wanna send an email,

we talked about the 2027 BMW iX3

about two or three episodes ago.

And I had no idea that it was gonna be as important

as this because they're calling it

BMW's biggest reinvention since the 60s.

Did you know that this is what they're putting

all their money into and all that?

Is this the, what's it called?

The new class?

Yes.

Well, we gotta pronounce that right

because people will be very, it's like new class.

You know, something like that.

Or new class.

No, it's new class.

New class.

I promise you would just-

You would get so pissed.

Again, we are not language teachers.

No, no, no, no.

And we have told you that we will not be able

to pronounce most of this stuff.

Correct.

And so we just wanna remind all the new listeners

that we absolutely don't know how to pronounce everything.

Absolutely not.

Don't forget, English is my second language,

so please give me a break.

Oh, wow, look at you.

Give me a break, okay?

Pull that out when it's convenient.

English is my sa-

Pull that out when it's-

My must.

No oblo, no oblo.

No oblo, I mean, no oblo, excuse moi.

Fucking combined into languages there.

You know, it's funny, people,

when I speak Spanish, I have very good Spanish,

but it's still not good enough for some people

to be like, oh, this is no oblo, motherfucker.

I'm like, no oblo, like, my Spanish is perfect.

Just like my English.

It's pretty good.

People don't-

Yeah, yeah.

Dude, people don't care, man.

They're just rude, just to be rude, if I controls.

100%.

All right, look.

So let's talk about this.

So what is their pitch point here?

That this is some type of,

is it reinvention because it's an EV?

I mean, we have a video here, it's very long.

I don't know her name, it might be Ms. Debbie,

but she was kind of describing some of it.

Here, I'll play a little bit of it for you.

I'm Elisa Prettell with Motor Trend,

and I am in Munich, Germany for finally our first look

at the production version of BMW's iX3.

This one is the iX350 XDrive,

which means it's a pure electric vehicle,

all wheel drive because it has motors front and back.

But the reason we are so excited about this

is because forever we've been hearing about BMW

having a new platform, their Neue Klasse.

Neue Klasse.

The first look at what is now going to produce

40 models off of this brand new architecture.

Oh, geez.

So Neue Klasse is the future of-

They say 40 models?

Yeah, and not the models that you and I might like.

So I'm going to tell you this,

and this is going to get into a lot of semantics,

I think, in the future, and we're here now,

so I guess I don't need to say a new future.

So now is this just trying,

them trying to say that we've built the skateboard

and we're going to put different bodies on the skateboard,

because what I have seen about this,

and it's very limited,

is that essentially they're selling the brain

of the vehicle more than they're selling

performance of the vehicle.

Oh, yes, oh yes.

The thing running this is this new age thing,

and now BYD and Tesla, they're not ahead of us,

and we've caught up to them.

By the way, once I can hook up Apple CarPlay,

I'm pretty good.

I'm good, dude, can I please show you?

Again, I think this goes back to all of our listeners,

something we keep repeating.

Selling people tech,

when they use like 5% that's available

on an iPhone of the tech,

I don't think is going to be the winning formula

that I think BMW's trying to make here,

which is the brains of the vehicle

are now the selling point,

because they don't have an engine to sell, right?

So there's no engine to sell.

They're trying to make this the new engine,

which is the brain behind the vehicle.

Well, I got news for you, man,

once somebody plugs their phone into the system,

the brain of the vehicle is irrelevant.

Can I show you some of the interior?

It's like what the big selling point for this thing is,

because this is the one that has a screen

up there at the windshield, right?

So check this out.

And I forgot I was blowing your eardrums

because you're on the same channel.

Well, there we go.

X3, we have a nice two-tone interior,

a lot of recyclable materials, such as this,

which is made from recycled fishing nets

and other parts.

Wow, recycled fishing nets.

BMW owners.

I wish one of my cars smell like tuna.

Oh, love it.

Over here, you have 43.3 inches

of a panoramic vision screen.

Here's the control screen,

kind of loving the shape of it.

See how it's inclined towards the driver?

Why is it sideways?

And it's right here, easy to use and touch.

And so let's play with it a little bit.

So, here we go, panoramic vision.

Like an engineer over here.

Configure.

Up here, you can change what you want to see up there.

So maybe I want to take that one out.

So you can change the further screen

with the closer screen.

Very, very easy.

But whatever you want in there, drag.

Yeah, you know, when you do this while you're driving

and you rear end everybody, this is really simple.

Wait till she talks to it.

Figure whoever you want.

And check this guy out.

This is the personal assistant.

There we go.

So, hey, BMW.

See, he blinks.

He looks at me.

I gotta love it.

I don't want that.

Hey, BMW, how do I get to the airport?

Here's what I found.

You can say things like, take me to the first door.

You can imagine the malfunction.

As you can see,

someone's going to respond incredibly quickly

and you can use natural voice to get it to do what you want.

Dude, okay, I gotta stop.

This is terrible.

So I gotta ask,

for all of our listeners out there,

I'm not really trying to like make light of this,

but have any of you thought you needed that?

I don't use it any time.

Was it so hard to go into Apple Maps

and, or, you know, Maps

and just say I want to go to the airport?

Like, did you need this?

We're, and I feel for car manufacturers

because they have no idea how to sell an EV,

especially one at 60 grand, 70 grand, 80 grand, 100 grand.

They don't know how to get you,

the buyer interested in paying that money consistently.

We've seen that from the sales numbers.

It's not Nick and Rob's opinion, right?

So one of the things that I,

again, I always talk about

what has to be going on in these meetings

for years on end where nobody goes,

I didn't want this creepy screen blinking at me.

Like, nobody said that.

Nobody just goes, you know,

is it really that difficult to select a destination?

Like, was that, are we really solving a problem?

Because look, I don't know about everyone else.

I think series is worse.

It's the worst it's ever been to try to use.

You don't like series?

Like, you want that on chat, GPT, do you want it?

I mean, now it's just like, it's not even helpful, right?

It just makes you mad.

And it's like, my question is,

who was asking for this, right?

Who was asking for it?

And again, I'll say the same thing

from a design perspective.

It's really cool.

You got the used tuna nets

in my interior of my $70,000 car now.

I mean, evidently, you guys think that's awesome.

But again, you couldn't bury the screen

into the design of the dash.

You just lazily put it on top of everything.

And then it kind of turned it sideways.

I just don't think this is the class of vehicle

they think it is.

So in the article it goes on to say,

like one of the headlines is Brainiac.

Key to everything is to switch to a zonal architecture

with four super brains and what BMW touts

as a masterpiece of engineering,

where it connects and reacts 10 times faster

and smoother for safer driving experience.

Dude, everyone's just becoming Intel.

Everyone's AMD.

Everyone's just kind of like a tech company

that maybe gets you from A to B.

It's all Nvidia.

They want to get their stock price like Nvidia,

but they don't realize Nvidia is like

making stuff for everybody.

You guys are just building a car.

Yeah.

And here's what I'm going to say.

You guys are making all of these engineering advancements.

Great.

That's what you're selling.

Usually when you advance things,

you make them cheaper because the advancement

makes things easier to produce.

For some reason, I'm still buying a $60 plus $1,000 X3.

Couldn't you find a way to reduce the price

since you guys have come up with this new engineer,

this new way to engineer?

You're supposed to make things simpler.

How many of you guys today,

when flat screens first came out, they were 10 grand?

You go into Costco now, there's a hundred inch

for like $400.

Yeah.

That is the economy of scale

that all of you as consumers are used to.

Now you're making cars that are supposed

to be easier to manufacture.

They're supposed to be less parts in the car

to be assembled.

There's less moving parts in the manufacturing

and I'm being charged more or the same.

Make it make sense from an engineering perspective

because a $1,500 iPhone should be able to run a car.

So how is your system cost $42,000?

So knowing what we know, what you just said,

what do you think this is going to start at

when it comes out next spring?

I mean, if it's based off the X3,

I bet you they're in $60,000 plus territory.

80,200.

Oh my God.

Come on guys, come on.

Like even you zealots have gotta start

living in the real world.

Like all of this advancement,

all of this easier to manufacture,

all of this skateboard idea,

all of this replicable idea,

which you seemingly can't do across all ice cars

because some have a four cylinder,

six cylinder, eight cylinder,

I build trucks, I build diesels,

I build this, I build that.

All of that goes into the cost of an ice engine, right?

Because you have so many of these different platforms.

I now have a singular platform

and I get no benefit as a consumer

other than some creepy guy blinking at me.

And you know it's gonna malfunction 50% of the time

when you try to get to the airport.

I'll give you the airport in Munich

when you're in Cleveland, Ohio.

Like what are we doing here?

I just don't understand why this is seen as advancement

and what is going on in these companies

when somebody's looking at an email on an iPhone

that they use 10% of,

that they use 10% of this iPhone

and you guys are now telling me your text word,

well you know the tires cost this,

the manufacturing cost this,

but you know our tech package cost 32 grand on this car.

And iPhone's $1,500.

Again I know you got other stuff to worry about

but we're talking about major, major,

major price increases.

And I'm just going, I don't know man,

it's not what you've been selling.

You've been selling easier to manufacture,

more replicable.

This system's gonna be across all platforms.

This and that, I'm getting no benefit price-wise

as a consumer.

I just don't see how it's a sales point.

Yeah man, it is wild to see these prices.

It does say that it probably won't be that

when it launches, it's actually summer of next year

because they're basing it off

of what it's gonna launch for in Europe

which I think was like 68K

which translates to 80K

but they're thinking it'll probably come in lower than that.

Even at 60, anything 60 to 80,

what are we talking about?

Yeah, you've already failed at that.

I mean that's already been a failure point

in the whole EV experience.

I mean, look, Rivian's one of the companies

that seems to be doing it right.

Looks like they just went through some layoffs.

Oh, did they?

They cut like one to 2% of staff here recently,

maybe this week or last.

I mean, you gotta realize something.

For all of us having this conversation,

I wanna reiterate about my feelings.

I'm middle of the road about EVs.

I always have been.

If they fit you, buy them.

If you don't want them, don't buy them.

All of these sales points,

nobody seems to be connecting the dots

inside the manufacturer

that what you've been selling us is simplicity.

This is simpler.

This is easier.

This is easier for us to make.

This is this.

We're gonna use old dolphin nets

that we pulled out of the ocean.

Okay, cool, man.

Why is the price not coming down?

That's what I want, my car has been like fish.

I'm gonna think about that all day.

Hey, yeah, you know what?

Your passenger gets in,

you go, hey, you feel that texture?

Yeah, Billy Bob was shrimpin' the other day.

Bubba Gump was shrimpin'

and then they just recycled that netting.

Don't you find that cool?

It's like, guys, I'm glad you're recycling things, I guess.

But shouldn't that bring the price down?

Like, we're gonna give everybody an opportunity

to send an email if you want.

We'll get to that.

I promise we'll get to them next week.

ClutchCulture Podcast at gmail.com.

We have some here.

We'll get to those next week.

And then if you guys wanna add to it,

we'll do a longer segment on emails.

I wanted to end with this.

Did you see Shaq's new Corvette by chance?

Oh, dude, I did.

Yeah, I just saw it earlier this morning,

but I didn't see the video on it.

So Shaq got a custom CA-06

that was stretched out 20 inches.

Let me pull this thing up, dude.

I got, so there's a video here.

I'm gonna, again, play it without trying to blow your ears.

I don't know if it's gonna play.

Hold on, before you come out.

I don't want you to back up.

Let me just make sure it's good before you come out.

Hold on, man.

You ready to wait at this?

I ended up cracking on this car on delivery.

Oh, they cracked the window on delivery?

I'm here ready to pick this up

and then we get hit with something crazy like this.

So normally this window right here

would usually take seven to eight days

to make a whole new one.

I got my guys in the warehouse right now

cooking one up.

It's gonna take us a couple more days.

Yeah, I think cooking one up may be a why it cracked.

This should work better.

Yeah, all right.

I think I should wait until Monday.

Let me see.

I'm gonna fast forward it.

It looks like the Batmobile.

It looks cool.

Let's put it on here.

It sounds great.

Yeah.

Dude, that thing is so...

I'm gonna say this.

Have you ever seen him up close and personal?

Not up close.

I've seen him but not up close.

So you know, stuff around here, fights,

things like that, he's super into things like UFC.

Right.

He is one of those people you see in person

and you cannot believe it's real.

You're like...

How's that a human?

I mean, cause here's the thing.

I saw him stand next to Francis and Gano

and it, I mean, by the way, one of the biggest heavyweights,

you know, massive and you're like, yeah, he's just,

that's just a whole different like human being.

Like it is unbelievable to see that dude walking around.

And if you get, you got a chance to get anywhere near Shaq.

The one thing you always say is like,

I cannot believe someone like that exists.

And the coolest part is, you know, he rolls no security.

Does it?

Now people always say to me like,

who's gonna mess with Shaq?

But it's like people mess with people all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah, your boy rolls no security,

rolls by himself a lot of the time.

Like, yeah, man, I'm telling you,

seeing that guy in person, you just can't believe it's real.

Seven one.

Everybody loves him.

And I'm gonna tell you this, man,

I think that Corvette, it looks good.

I think it looks great.

It looks good.

It really looks like a Batmobile.

He's seven one, 325 pounds.

And I think 325 might be light.

Might be light.

It might have been him when he was playing bowl.

That might be a light number.

Yeah, 350 seems like that's pretty quick work.

Sheesh.

All right, well, good for him.

The reason I also brought it up,

because it was a story,

I actually already exed out of it,

but CAs were having a problem

where they were just like catching on fire

where people were filling up gas.

I don't know if you saw that.

In my mind, I'm like, oh, you just,

Yeah, I saw it.

He got this stretched out, 06, a C8, like it's nice.

And then he's just gonna be filling it up one day

and like this long as Batmobiles

is just gonna be catching on fire,

like big as fireball.

Terrible.

All right, everybody.

ClutchColderPodcast.com.

What a fun episode.

This is the best part of the week, man.

I hope you guys enjoy it on your drive to work

or at the gym or whatever you're doing.

If you need car care products,

hypercleanstore.com is where Nick's at.

He lives there, he eats and breathes it.

He's at literally hyperclean Nick, right?

Yeah, hyperclean Nick.

Yep, yep.

Hyperclean stores, the Instagram,

I'm at RobGTV.

Nick, we will see everyone next week.

See you guys.

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