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About this episode
The episode reflects on the end of the Scottsdale Pavilions Rock'n'Roll Car Show, a beloved weekly event that has run for over 30 years. Host Andrew Freeling shares his personal experiences with the show, discussing its history, community impact, and the challenges it faced, including issues with street racing and management changes. DJ Big Red joins the conversation, bringing insights from his DJ career and how music intersects with car culture. The episode is filled with nostalgia, anecdotes, and a deep appreciation for the automotive community.
Topics:
scottsdale pavilions
car show history
community impact
street racing issues
dj culture
personal anecdotes
event management
automotive nostalgia
Cars:
Aston Martin Valhalla
BMW M2
Chevrolet Corvette
Dodge Charger
Ford Explorer
Ford Mustang
Honda S2000
Lexus LFA
Nissan Skyline
Subaru WRX
EP287
After three decades, it looks like the once heralded longest running weekly car show in the world is done. Many know this as the Rock & Roll Car Show in Scottsdale Arizona, the locals call it "The Pavs". Guest Andrew Frieling (DJ Big Red) joins the podcast to talk about the history of The Pavs, an opinion on some contributing factors to the demise of the show. DJ Big Red talks about his DJ journey and how he has managed to work with some of the biggest names in the industry.
Contact for DJ Big Red:
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Links Referenced in this video:
Stellantis warns of $1.7 billion earnings hit from tariffs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stellantis-earnings-tariffs/
Rock and Roll Car Show at The Pavilions closes after 30 years
Clipse: Tiny Desk Concert(NPR Music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7gIBB7jKc0
Z06 Filmed Crashing into tree
https://www.carscoops.com/2016/08/chevrolet-corvette-z06-filmed-crashing/
Two Mustanges Crash
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1462635/Moment-two-Mustangs-spin-crash-car-Arizona.html
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This is the Non Automotive Automotive podcast, and I haven't said that in a long time, but being on Jorge's tormenting tarmac, he has this really cool catch phrase and so here you are. I like I like the non automotive
automotive podcast. That's awesome.
That's inspired. So you're a sports guy, so you
would totally get the reference. So Dan Levittard was Stugotz.
It's one of my favorite shows that I ever I don't listen to them nearly as much as I used to, but they were always the non sports sports show. So that's a direct port from Dan
Levittard. Yeah.
So you we got a lot to cover here.
Yes, we do. A major thing has happened here
in the state of Arizona, and I've actually talked about this car event on this podcast at least a dozen times at some point in the last six years. But we call it the Pavs because
it's at the Scottsdale Pavilions.
It could be the Rock'n'roll Car show.
It's had a couple of variations of that over the years, but as of like wait maybe a week or. I heard about it on Saturday.
So very recently. So today is July 31st, and
according to everything on social media, that show is now put like it's done. It was done in 2020.
We thought it was never coming back.
It came back. It's done.
You've been involved with the show for how long and what can you tell us? So I've been involved with the
show for eight years non consecutively.
So that being said, after high school, one of the editors for the auto section of the Arizona Republic, his son went to Saint Mary's with me, local high school, downtown Phoenix.
And he knew that I would show my O3 RAM, which I still have there all the time because it was the new body style that him, he had just come back and all that stuff, you know, showing off stock vehicles. We all love doing that, right?
But he knew I was going to the car show and stuff like that.
And they're trying to do like a younger section to try to get more young people to read the newspaper.
So they did an article on me and the Pavilions Rock'n'roll car show at the time. And so they interviewed me about
that. And the original creator of the
show, Mark Kramer, saw that and offered me in 2000.
Late 2003 offered me to work for the show.
So I was the youngest worker there it.
Was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah.
I was just 1819 years old and I ended up working for for about four years until I was rolling through with my truck club.
We went there about 17 trucks deep, all custom.
It was Mopar night because that last, that last row in the main show area where the McDonald's is, that last row, that right next to the Access Rd. that was always revolving.
One night it'd be Pontiac, one night it'd be Datsun.
One night it would be Thunderbirds.
Next night it would be Mopar night.
So it'd be always classic Mopars.
Or if you're in a Mopar club, you can go there as far as that goes. We rolled in there, 17 trucks
deep there. We rolled in really late.
And this is back when McDonald's, the McDonald's actually ran the show. Mark Chico and all them.
At that point, Chico comes running up to me.
He goes, Andrew, you know, you can't park here.
I'm like, it's Mopar night. These are all Mopar.
These are all dodges. It was empty.
And plus it's the end of the show.
Let's let's work something out. Later, later in the evening,
when right. Yeah, and let's just work
something out. He's like you move these trucks
right now or you're banned for life.
I didn't move the trucks. And then one of the one of the
other people, and this is Dodge Trucks Extreme back in the day.
And back in the day it was a lowered truck club.
We are all lowered except for a couple ones that were lifted.
And when we say lifted, we're talking about not just like a three inch lift, we're talking about 8 inch, 12 inch lift.
Mini monsters. Yeah, mini monsters.
Yeah, before, before the rubber band.
Sema SEMA builds with the Bluetooth Dr. shafts.
But so these are we had we had SEMA builds that were with us.
I forgot the guy's name. It was an orange one.
But if you remember those dub city trucks.
Sort of, yeah. Like the Dub Dub model trucks
back in the day. Yeah, those were that.
Truck was actually in our club. Like the one from the model.
Yeah, the one from the model and it ended up in a few music videos and a couple commercials too.
So it was it was on Spree wheels at the time.
If you remember what Spree wheels were the original spinners. It was wild.
Rick Dorr was the guy who did it.
It was 2 tone orange and grey then bagged on spinners 24 inch spinners or something like that. 22 I think at the time because
it. Yeah, 20 twos.
Yeah, 20 twos because I remember when I got.
It when you think about it though, right?
Yeah, because I mine my my truck came at the stock 20s.
But anyways, back to the story. One of the brothers of one of
the guys that was in the club came out yelling, you know, excuse my French here. That's fucked up.
You can't do this and. They can't do that to you.
Yeah, right. And.
Chico had him arrested for public.
I forgot what it's called, but it's, you know, you know he had him. Arrested.
Yeah. Public.
Disturbance. Something like.
That yeah. And so, you know, he had a
battle through that. I got kicked out of the show.
I would show up every now and then just for, you know, shits and giggles and the the other staff members would be like, oh, you shouldn't be here. Oh, you shouldn't be here.
But yeah, I mean, but those within those four years, I learned a lot about the show. And this is back when we could
park in the aisle. First upholstery had their booth
going with the the Big Black El Dorado which they still up until last year they would bring the Big Black El Dorado.
So what? So what?
What's the time frame around like 2000?
8-9, 7. 7 OK. 6-7, I got kicked out, but this is when Mark was
still running it. Mark owned several McDonald's
around the valley. Mark Kramer is a great man.
Like the history of the show, of him starting.
It was there was a group of hot rodders that got kicked out of the spot that they were in, right?
And this is like, this is 1989 we're talking.
So Pavilions had just been built pretty much and the only things were in there I think were Target, McDonald's, there was a Hobby town where Second Swing is, Home Depot was there, and Best Buy in Circuit City on the other side.
So that was kind of cool seeing early Best Buy in Circuit City going at it. Yeah, 1's been gone for a while
and one's just struggling still. Yeah, where the where the
mountainside fitness is in there That that was Circuit City.
But yeah, he, they asked him, hey, can we use your lot?
And he had to think about a little bit and he said, yeah, he said, yeah, 'cause he's a car guy himself.
And there's, there's videos on YouTube about him on car Crazy.
If you guys remember Mcgarry's Car kick Car Crazy TV show.
But anyways, he started that and week by week slowly got bigger and bigger and bigger. Now he had everything organized
with staff. Staff he would pay with free
food. Actually, it was pretty funny
because I would, I would go around talking to some of the regulars. Hey, what do you want?
I'll go get it for you. You know, I would sneak them
food. I I would stand around cars for
a few hours. That means I got free
McDonald's. Oh, it was great.
And there's. People probably like, hey,
McDonald's. Well, you know what?
Like they say about vegans, more meat for me, more McDonald's for me. You don't have to like
McDonald's. I'll take free McDonald's all
day. Yeah, and back in the day, I
don't, I don't know if you know about this, but that McDonald's was known as the Rock'n'roll McDonald's.
Makes sense looking back, but no, I I didn't know.
So we would set speakers up on the roof.
This is back when they had those slope roofs and stuff like that.
We'd set speakers on the roof. The DJ would just be having like
a six sticks that didn't sound right, six discs, CD changer.
Well, it's a car event, so it's, you know, a dude magnet event too, so yeah. It would have two six disc CD
changers in on stacked on top of each other with an amplifier with cords running up to the ceiling and he'd all be playing 60s music. Rest in peace to him.
I forgot his name unfortunately, but I do know he did pass away from an ailment of some sort. I don't remember what it was.
He was awesome. We we'd have like different code
words that he would say over, over the speakers, like if there was a pretty girl walking by. Mind you, I'm the youngest one
there. Everybody else is in there like
sixties, 70s. And they'd be like code 1.
He'd be like code one row one means a hot young girl.
That's funny. You know, we always as guys, we
have those codes and girls, women have to have those too.
Because I used to work security. It's the same deal.
You just walk around and we wouldn't even just one seven, I'd walk up with one of my boys, you know, and be like, how many he goes 12? Oh, I got 13.
Who did I miss, you know? So I think boys will be boys.
Right. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. But yeah, that it ran all that
way through the 90s. I think my first experience
there was when I was 4 was when it was just starting.
My parents went out on a date, and I think it was actually, yeah, I didn't know. Yeah, it was just like a
anniversary date They went on and the babysitter was like, I need to get out of this house 'cause me and my sister were annoying the crap out of her. I guarantee it.
We were. We were me and my sister.
I love her to death, but back then sibling rivalry was a real thing. Yeah, it still is.
But I, I don't write, I don't, I don't hold anything against her.
It was just us kids being kids and me ripping off her Barbie's heads, you know? But.
Where's the big? Boys, the babysitter wanted to,
you know, want to get out of the house.
So she took us to this car show because she had heard about it starting and I think she wanted to meet her boyfriend there or something like that. And we were walking around.
This is and this is when those creepy dolls leaning up against the cars started happening. And that that did freak me out.
But it that car show itself was one of the reasons why I got into cars. You know, it's one of the
reasons why I fell in love with automotive, one of the reasons why I became a tech, started doing custom cars myself, why I love tuning suspension. And good to know.
Yeah, it's really good to know, especially when you have a fifty 4800 LB vehicle on coil overs that probably are not for that car. So you got to just tune it just
right you. Bring it over here.
I did. I did.
We're not going to talk about it.
I love your car. It's a mess right now.
I took it up to the Flagstaff and parked it under a pine tree so I got to try to get all that SAP off.
Do people think you're a cop when you're driving all the time? Yes, the double takes.
Actually on the way over here, the double takes on from the bikers and the HOV lean was hilarious.
Almost every bike that was flying by was like, wait, wait, what? Tell tell everyone what it is
you drive. So I have a 2020 Ford Explorer
St. It is lowered on custom coil
overs. They were originally graveyard
coil overs. Their GL package, which is the
lowest they they were going to go on it.
I was kind of the Guinea pig on that without, you know, being actually the Guinea pig, but I was the first one to buy it buy them and I would give them feedback and what not.
But me and a couple other guys that bought similar ones, the the ones that were a couple levels above like a.
Group by or something? No, not really group by, but we
have this, we have we all know this guy named Travis Ellisor.
He's he's in Houston. He owns Houston speed Freaks.
Now, he was part of graveyard at the time, but we would send him feedback saying, hey, we need to open up this eyelid, kind of widen it a little bit, restructure a little bit, and that way we can get the correct camber in the front.
There's no room for camber. There's no adjusting camber in
the rear. I mean, I love that vehicle,
man. I'm, I've always told people
that I've, I'm a big fan of the Ford Explorers, at least for the past, I don't know, 678 years, but I would just look like a police officer. Everyone already thinks I'm a
police officer. It's I'm I'm going to say this,
the explorer. Honestly, I've had a lot of
cars. You know I still have my ram.
I have a 71510 wagon nice. I've had focuses.
I've had my first car was a 83 Chevy celebrity.
Yeah imagine all the girls I got in that thing in high school sure Nope, Nope, didn't happen at all.
I've also had I also had the 1st 350Z in the state.
No kidding. Back in we got in August of 2002
and it was Lamont Sunset Black interior didn't have the Rays, which I was kind of mad at at the time, but we still had the eighteens. It was a Touring, so it wasn't,
it wasn't track package or anything like that.
But honestly, the Explorer's been probably my favorite car I've owned. I mean, just doing simple bolt
ONS and turning it on E50 wakes these things up like you wouldn't believe. I have videos of me toying
around with my buddies 600 Lt. and we're toying with each other
and I just take off on them. And he he he we stopped at I
think it was like Chiba Hut or something like that.
We stopped somewhere nearby or to grab food.
And he's like, what do you have done to that?
I'm like it's all Boltons and, and all stock turbo talking about it's stock turbo, stock fuel system.
There's videos of me at the track pulling low twelves, which I actually, I actually run 11/4 now.
I just unfortunately I don't have cameras present.
I do have a camera, but I, I don't take it to the track anymore. I'm just like, I just want to
run for this. I don't want to run for clout
with cameras on. You know?
I'm not saying that people that do that run for cloud or anything, but that like I don't really care about the social media aspect of it anymore. I'm doing it for myself.
You get to a point, right, where it feels like, and I think it's hard for people to understand this.
And I was having this thought earlier, it's like when you compete, I was thinking about SEMA and all that other stuff and why I don't do shows in California or I stopped.
It's because a lot of times it feels like it's been like predetermined who wins. And you know, you build it for
you, but you also want people to at least recognize within the community, you know, game recognizes game.
And so after for a while, especially when you get sponsors, you have to do those things.
But when you no longer have sponsors, you don't have to do those things. And it feels good not to have to
post 6 times a day and tag everybody in it and do all this stuff. And you can just do it.
You can just, you know, obviously with my old NSX it was a show car and a go car. But I don't miss doing car
shows. I like going to them.
Exactly. And that's that kind of cuts us
back right to the pavilions. It's a car show, but it wasn't a
car show. Yeah, I've I always heard that
argument about the pavilions. Oh, it's a meet.
No, it's a car show. No, it doesn't have trophies.
So it's not a car show. No, it's a meet because all
this. No, it's too big for a meet,
honestly. And it's, you know, yeah, we
don't have trophies. It was always dubbed a car show.
That's from Mark Kramer. And now if you go out to that
site, you'll actually see a plaque dedicated to Mark, him starting it. And then there's another guy,
Larry, who tried to run it through the COVID time and, like, he got a plaque. Yeah.
But he really didn't do much. He actually hated the younger
crowd. He wanted it always to be older
vehicles and hot rods. You say as we get older, you
know, we get stubborn in our ways.
You said that earlier to me, it's very true.
And me, I'm trying to keep an open mind as I, as I just turned 40, you know. So anyways, going back to
pavilions, I started going again once I lowered the Explorer on just Springs. You know, I had H&R Springs on
and I'm like, this thing's cool, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I was kind of hyping it up when I first got it.
And as far as that goes, I take it there every weekend.
And there was a new show operations manager, which was Ben and. This was all within the past.
Yeah, this is the past four years.
Yeah, Ben would run around. He had a beat up old Lexus.
He'd park it next to that shed next to McDonald's.
He would run around giving everybody water.
He'd personally go pay for the water and make sure it was cold and go around giving it to everybody because it was middle of summer when he took over. And so I offered a helping hand
knowing that, you know, even though, yes, I've been banned from the show, McDonald's doesn't run it anymore.
I didn't get any criminal trespassing or anything like that. They told me next time I'd show
up I would. As well.
So it's kind of wild though, to, to, to hear that because, you know, I've been here for 10 years.
This is my 11th year. So it was here before.
And it seems like those of us, we knew that you had McDonald's and you had the organized part of the Pavs, a car show where the Pavs is the the place, right?
Pavilions, Yeah. But then you had the divider and
so you had the entire open lot on the other end in front of the Mongolian whatever BBQ place in the in the Home Depot.
And it's like you can't really regulate that, but you can regulate the space by McDonald's.
And so you always saw the plaques that say 70s cars only, 80s cars only hot rods only kind of probably what you're saying earlier, but it seems like you could still go there, but maybe be in the other side of it and no one can say shit to you because there was always like a couple.
Like I, it's eye opening to me to hear this because just from the organizational standpoint, like I didn't know, obviously somebody had to get there and set up all that shit, right.
But just knowing there's like there was a set staff like all the time. It makes sense, but you just
don't think. About that, back in the day it
was, it was a lot larger of a set staff.
Now it was all hot rodders. Everybody knew about their each
other's cars and would help each other with their builds or help people learn. And again, me going there in the
early 2000s, I would hang out with clubs like Negative Camber and Dodge Trucks Extreme. And also I'd meet these SEMA
builders and they would help me kind of learn how to work on my own vehicle, learn how I can, I can lower it, learn how I can change the centering pin on my on my leaf springs in the rear, what a drop shackle was versus C notching the frame and what not.
And they would teach me all these things that I was, I was wanting to do to my vehicle. Obviously I didn't my truck's
lowered, but it's not that low is where I had to see notch it.
But they helped me set that truck up for auto cross.
Honestly, like I used to auto cross that truck.
I still drive it to the state. It's got a flat tire sitting out
in front of my house kind of baking in the sun.
But they they helped me build that truck that that community that was built at that show. But back in the day with so many
staff members, the show was so organized.
So that side by Mongolian, which was Y CS back in the day, that side was always like the 90s and newer.
Right. There wasn't really an
organization to that side. It was first come first serve.
They always had the bike parking, which you know, I'll go into the bikes later, but they always had the bike parking.
But every row had two rows in it.
Pretty much. Yep.
Of the main parking lot and everything was organized based off of year or manufacturer or last one was Club Row which still to this day, well not until last Saturday when I found out the news was Club Row. OK.
So it was hyper organized back in the day and we had probably about 1520 staff members. That's crazy.
How many? I think it was 30 something
years they're saying. It's 30, seven years.
And it was heralded as the longest running car show, weekly car show, I think, in the United States.
The world. The world.
Yeah, Guinness. Book of World Records was in
there at one point. The only one that would come
close to us was one in Kissimmee, FL and they still do it to this day. They'd shut down their whole
downtown for it, so they're going to take over on it unfortunately. Florida.
Yeah. That I.
What do you think? Because we can go into the
politics of what's going on and kind of skirt around a little bit. But just over the years, like
what do you think has has I've seen?
I got a ticket there once, but I was there one night when the C7 first came out and the guy had a 06A white.
One, I was there that night too. Yeah.
And then and I revved my, some kid was like, hey, Rev your NSX.
I revved my NSX and then like it was right in front of that car.
So you know how that triggers people sometimes.
I later found out that car and we've seen that happened quite a few times over the past. The Mustangs.
The Mustangs people tearing off across the street and hitting cop bystanders. The cop hitting the Subaru?
Yeah, I was. Pulling in, Yeah.
And so in your memory, was that always a random thing or is it just picked up over the last eight years and maybe led to the fatigue of yeah. I do think that led to the
fatigue of the show. I really do.
It's something that, you know, when I was helping these past four years, I was trying to, you know, obviously push that out, make sure that that didn't happen.
How do you even regulate that? Right?
People just show up. And I mean, you remember there's
a lot of police there for a while, then there's.
So I'll tell you what, one of the things that just blew my mind, it's probably five years ago when I went up there and I used to go up there a lot more than I never went up there a lot, but I went up there more often than I did recently.
And there's police out there telling people that it's time to go and these cars are just lined up.
Just just lighten them up right in front of why it sees no matter what the police officer said.
And I that day I was like, this isn't this is going to go away at some point because all these young disrespectful motherfuckers that don't realize it's the age, it's an age thing, but they don't realize what they're doing here and they're ruining something that's been happening for a long time.
Exactly. I I completely agree with that
and I don't think I was staff at that time because anytime I'd see somebody trying to light it up over there, I was running there. I was telling them, hey man,
can't do this warning them next time I see you do something like this, you're out of here, you're going to get trespassed off the property. And I'm like, not trying to be
like a hard ass or anything about it or just trying to be, yeah, respect the spot. Just like I threw another show
over at Stardust a couple weeks ago.
We did a Fast and Furious party at Stardust and there's a Dodge.
We had the lot full of right hand drive cars.
I were talking JZXS, Skylines. We even had a couple friends.
My boy, my boy Haas says WRX was there and then Mace's S2000 wide body was there. But like I found it like
midnight because that that show went till like 2 in the morning because of the nightclub. Around midnight people were
leaving and there's a couple spots opened up and this charger comes in doing a burnout across 5th Ave. and Van Buren.
And I'm talking already with the security guys.
I'm friends with them. My DJ there on Monday nights.
He pulls into the parking lot all hot to trot and tries to back up and doesn't burn out backing up.
And I'm like, who does that? I just walked up to him.
I'm like, hey, man, you. I didn't even say anything
really. I was like you.
And he's like, and he tried to do a burnout going out, but there he didn't know there's a big pothole down there.
So it's pretty funny. I know he screwed up his car,
but I I'm not going to say anything.
It's pretty funny, Yeah. And it's stock 392, so.
I just don't understand the mindset and I don't think it's because when I was that age I would have done that.
It's kind of the clout when you're at that age.
Yeah, I I wouldn't have done that.
But it's just, it's a whole other, I guess conversation and we're just going to sound like 2 angry old men.
But the reality is people, other businesses, people who don't like that security police, they're just looking for a reason to shut it down and people are giving it to them.
And it's just. Yeah, and it's it's it's
unfortunate that it happens you when when that happens, you just have to do your best to control the chaos.
Yeah. That's like this leads me to
another story from it a couple years ago, Barrett Jackson Week.
This is before the new management took it over.
We had the hyper NFT guys roll through and they're coming into the Konigsig of Valhalla. They had the Bugatti Chiron
Super Sport, they had the STO and it was Dean Carnage in the STO and they also brought out the Wira BC Roadster.
That thing was absolutely beautiful.
First off, it's a stacked night already.
Things are out of hand with how many people were there.
We put out warnings weeks in advanced on social media saying, hey, this is going to be the biggest day, our biggest event of the pavilions. You guys need to be very careful
of where you're parking and you know you're walking through.
It's going to be a cluster of people.
We are looking for some volunteers to help.
And so it just turned into a cluster, especially when they rolled in. I had to me, Freddie and Nick
had to bring the the supercars, the hypercars through and we had to take them past the bikes which we had lined up.
The bikes had overgrown their their space too, and so we had to have people move their bikes so we can get them around the McDonald's to the other side of what we called at the time, Showcase Row. So it was safety concern there,
safety for the cars. Obviously, you know you don't
want anybody tripping and falling on a wire.
A BC roadster. And there's people, they're so
dense, it's like, it's almost like they don't even want to get out of. The way it was literally like
parting the Red Sea, you know, it's just a sea of people.
And then when they pulled in, there's actually, yeah, when we finally got them parked the pen. Inferina Bautista was my
favorite car, by the way. That thing is just a wild car.
But when they finally stopped, everybody is surrounding him.
Of course, is Dean Carnage professional FD driver drives a Viper out of all the cars in FD. Right.
But it's him, he's a YouTube, all this other stuff.
And it got to the point where I couldn't even get Dean to roll through. And this is on video on on his
channel. You hear this guy in the
background while he's trying to roll through.
He goes, I've never heard, I've never heard of Lambeau before.
Can you Rev it? Can you Rev it?
Can you Rev it? And I'm happy to be right next
to the passenger window and he starts revving it and I'm just like Nope Nope Nope. And that's where my profile
pictures are from. Is from his.
Video there that's. Funny, but it got to the point
where I there's too many people in one space and I had to think of other ways to disperse the crowd. 2 aisles over.
Happened to be boss garage and his Corvette.
We don't allow, we didn't allow cars to Rev, but there's a couple that we allowed to Rev every now and then.
Boss Garage's Corvette was one of them and the, the orange LFA was one of them. And the orange LFA was with all
the hyper NFT guys and the R34, the blue R34.
Every now and then we'd allow the somebody to Rev that had a beautiful sounding car or absolutely monstrous car and it, we would announce it and make sure safety was there, have them stand back certain amount. And so I, I, I got to him.
I'm like, Hey, I will give you 20 bucks if you Rev right now and Rev it as hard as you can to so we can help disperse this crowd. Of course, he's like, don't even
give me 20 bucks. We're good, we're good.
So he starts. He starts revving and two
stepping, so much so his exhaust pipe off, the turbo snaps off.
Oh, it snapped. I mean, no pun intended.
Yeah, yeah, it literally snapped off.
And so in that same Dean Carnage video, you could actually see them. What?
What? This turbo just goes to
atmosphere. What is going on here?
He had already put it in his seat.
So. So by doing that, people just
gravitated to that. It's, it's weird.
It's it's weird psychological. The the noise.
People just like zombies. They take their phones out and
then they just go to it. Exactly.
It was literally like a decoy grenade in zombies.
Like the zombies just went right there.
I'm I'm not calling people zombies, but you know what I'm saying? You know, I mean, I mean, I am,
yeah. It's just it's phenomenal in
every car show or car meet. So what do you think?
Because Barry Jackson, in my opinion, is the busiest week, right? Traditionally.
Air's on Auto week now. Yeah, and so people are used to
going to paths for Bear Jackson Week and setting up at like 9:30 in the morning, which is bizarre as fuck.
No, they would stay the night. They would camp the night
before. They would park their daily
drivers there the night before and then bring the car in the morning. Yeah, yeah.
So. I think that weekend I counted
30 cars in the parking lot already.
Maybe the word gets out completely.
It's just, it's just interesting to see what's going to happen this next time Barrett Jackson rolls around.
I don't know. They're doing a fall show again,
but I know that they're obviously here every January.
Yeah, and it's January is Arizona Car Week, because the weather's perfect. Which they just labeled it that
this year for the first time. So let's sorry about that.
Rest in peace. Pavilions.
Pavilions car show. Rock'n'roll Car show The Paths.
Yeah, definitely. Those people that were hooning
around definitely did it in that same night, the Cadillac doing trying to do a takeover thing. Funny stories.
I found out who that guy is, where he works and everything.
And I'm, I've, I, I was tempted, but I'm not, I'm not a snitch.
I ain't gonna snitch. Yeah, like I just, I honestly, I
wanted to go to where he works and just have a talk with him myself and just be like, you know, you're gonna end this for everybody. Do you think there's a chance or
do you think it's done, done? I know there's things you can't
talk about and you may, you know, you're involved with certain levels of certain things, but.
Well, from the knowledge that I have, yeah, I'll say it like this. From the knowledge that I have,
I believe it's it's done done there.
And it's unless there's another property management company that takes over Pavilions Code, because the way it works is the property management leases the land from the tribe and then they sublease to the tenants. And like above us as management,
there was we had the tribe, we had tribal council, we had obviously the the property management and we also had law enforcement and permitting, also insurance, event insurance.
So being truthful with y'all, and we've said this on the loudspeaker, like at the event, the show cost about 100 to 100, a hundred to 150 grand a year to run.
You're paying for the off duty officers, you're paying for the permits, you're paying for the event insurance.
How did you? I mean, it's just, it's, it's
charity at this point, right? Because I don't remember
anything being sold. Exactly, it was ran ran by the
property management at that time and the the highest person in the property management we were always told loved the show.
Now it's. A passion project.
Yeah, so and once, once Mark unfortunately passed the new owners of the McDonald's, which I believe was actually in Mark's family, it was a pass down. They didn't want to keep on
because of the liability of the show and so the management company took it over and they ran it for the past, I want to say like 10 years or something like that. 1011 years from what
I know is there was a newer person in that company that saw the show as a money drain. I mean, it kind of sounds like
it was. It really was, honestly.
It's not revenue driven. No, it's definitely not.
But we were so they, they took it upon themselves to tell us, hey, you know, let's try to, you know, produce some money here and try to make the show more self-sufficient.
So me and the guys, we all, we all met up every now and then and we're talking over to make a lot of notes and everything.
And we were going to, we found sponsors.
Meekum was one of them. That's cool.
Yeah, that's why they were there.
They wanted to sponsor us and kind of help us run the show.
There's a few other ones, MAG Auctions, they they'd wanted to come on board. But with MAG there were, there
was a couple stipulations that we kind of didn't feel right with because it's the longest running weekly car show.
No offense to Mag or anything like that.
I'm not. You'd have to like select people
who could attend and things like that.
No, no, it was more like they wanted to shut it down for summer and stuff like that. Oh it's bad enough they were
shutting it down at like 8. Yeah.
And that's because of the permitting.
That was we, we tried our damnedest to get that extended.
Yeah, it would never work, unfortunately.
So that's the reasoning why it always did that.
You know it's funny, when I first bought my new NSX I was like oh and I didn't have APPF yet so I'm going to go on the freeway. So I took the back roads all the
way down like Guadalupe and then took Mcclintock to Scottsdale Rd. By the time I got there, it was
like 820. Yeah, looking around like, why
are they already dispersed? Where the fuck?
I just got my car. I never go to pavs.
I just got my car. You know, it's my return trip
since I sold the other one. Where the fuck is everybody?
And yeah, I I mean, I get it, but I just don't know that 10 years ago. It's I.
Didn't have anything going on. It went all late night. 11:30
You know, you stop on your way home from somewhere you know, and. I don't know I I completely get
it, but I I think part of the reason why the permit was that early was because to be real with you on the street side of things, yeah, it was turning into a a meet up for for street racing. Yeah, even the officers I.
Remember that. I remember that people would
leave and come back. I, I had, I had somebody when I
was running the Rock'n'roll car show page, they had gotten pulled over and just because they were leaving pavilions now this, this was last year. I got this message because they
had left the pavilions and they had gotten a ticket.
And yeah, see where this is going.
They were on street racing task force radar because of that street racing task force labeled pavilions as one of the meet up spots for street racing. So it's unfortunate with that.
But in our rules, when we ran it, we had a, we had an, we added a part saying, stating look, once you leave the permitted property, if you get a ticket, that's on you.
If you do something stupid, you get pulled over.
You would have to do that at that provision.
It should be obvious. Yeah, yeah.
And I noticed cuz I took all the rules that I had on the Instagram page, I had all those rules taken from the actual sign itself. And then I started adding more.
I'm like, this is a liability. This is a liability.
You know, it was all liability at that point.
But yeah, we were trying to like make what did I say?
We were trying to build it so we can profit from it, but not it wasn't like profit. The bills.
You want to pay the bills? Yeah, it wasn't for profit for
us. Yeah, sure is profit to keep the
car show going. OK.
And part of that was I knew the management company wanted to sell. We knew the management kind of
wanted to sell it off. And so we were devising plans
for that. And the shirt I'm wearing right
now, this was one of two limited edition prints that I was going to do, and I'd wear it to the show just to get people's, you know, like opinions on it and what?
Not describe it for the to to the audio audience.
So so this is a collaboration between a hip hop shop called Trill which I'm a DJ at the time I was fully sponsored by them, doing a lot of events for them and Rock'n'roll car show which we re dubbed to R and RCS. So in the middle on this one, we
have the Trano and it was based off of the import specialty Strano, you know all them. And then on the other shirt it
was same thing, but it was his R34 outlined.
So it was something that we could go black, white, red, do different colors, custom order. And we were getting a made at
Trill, which was down off like Indian school on the 51 at the time. It's now off 16th St. and
Camelback. But that was something that we
were trying to do. We're going to sell them in shop
and sell them at their. But at the same time we had to
hold off to make sure that hey, we're allowed to and what not.
But I had some other shirts made.
They were all ready to be printed.
I just never got the green light to say go and stuff like that.
And we were thinking shirts, sponsors, you know, charity events, you know. Ways to drive revenue.
Yeah, well, charity doesn't really drive revenue.
But, but so you mentioned D Jing a couple times and I told you earlier we can talk about that or we can talk about rollerblading. And DJ, definitely.
All right, so and I, I saw it on your profile and I go, oh shit, he's a DJ. You have a bunch of things
tagged. I think you have a SoundCloud.
I do, I do. It's so old I wouldn't use it.
And you, you resident a few places, I think you said you do residents over here at like an old folk center.
Yeah, I did. Well, yeah.
So how does that work? Is this OK?
Let me ask you this. Is this like the you're not
doing like the whole Rob Riggle Wedding Crashers?
It was a wedding crash. No, it's not Wedding Crashers.
It's internship. Have you seen that movie The
Internship? Yeah, it's definitely not that.
All right, so you're not, you know, cuz, yeah, if I, if I go there and they're like, hey, Andrew, what's up?
I think it's like a place called Encantara.
So it's a it's a community that has a golf course and every it's just senior living, but it, it's, it's allowing them to be themselves in their their older age.
Now the funny part about it is we go in there, it's me and my buddy Tricky T. Tricky T, yeah.
Tricky T1 of the Legends in the Arizona turntable has seen Love it. We're like, what are we going to
play for them? And I'm like, well, when I DJ
over at Desert Went Harley, I just play, you know, classic rock and remixes of classic rock and whatnot and maybe go into a little bit of funk. Maybe they'll like that.
No, these people are asking us for Beastie Boys.
They were asking us for Nirvana, all this like 90s hip hop.
They're asking us for straight up ice cube, no Vaseline.
What? Yeah.
And these are these are pool parties that we do a.
Lot of people have no, I know that song very well.
I just, I'm, you know, big. 90s brick, you know, brick dazz, you
know, that's what it originally was.
But yeah, they were asking us for like dirty rap and it was great. And there, there, there, there's
all these people in there like mid 60s to like 80s doing this.
And they're literally, it was wild.
They're living it up in the pool.
They've got a bar going. They know the words.
Oh God, now. What are they serving at the
bar? Is it like milk?
No, OK, it's they they've got probably about.
It's Ofo's joke. 88 like 8 to 10 beers on tap and then a full
they were just doing. I guess I know where I'm going
when I get. Old.
I don't remember the, the, the where it is, but it's out in like, what's that? Queen Creek?
Yeah, it's out in Queen Creek. OK.
And like we didn't expect any of this.
And they keep asking for us back.
And it's usually me driving. Unfortunately.
I've I've been booking a lot of gigs on the weekends that they're asking us to come out. Yeah.
But yeah, no, it's, it's really fun and they like the, the people literally paid us to stay an extra hour.
We're getting paid by a management company, but they're, they like, they're like extend another hour.
We're going to pay you 175 bucks or something like that.
I don't remember exactly how much it is, but it was, it was wild. It was wild.
Like 70 year olds asking for BC boys and notorious.
BIG So how long you been DJ ING? 15 years. 15 years, 16 Why?
What? I always wanted.
What? What started?
It I always wanted to do it in high school, after every home football game, we'd have a dance in the gym and instead of being on the dance floor, which every now and then I was, you know that Mind you, this is like 1999.
So we're listening, we're dancing and raging to Lou Begas mambo #5 instead of like being out there on the dance floor, I'd be back there studying how the DJ was doing.
Now study was the the DJ was an upperclassman.
And so I just keep watching him and doing what he did.
Just standing wallflower. You know, I'm that I'm that
introverted extrovert. I don't like being in large
crowds, but I'll still go as long as I'm separate.
I. Feel you.
And so that just got me going and then I DJD going back to rollerblading. I DJDA rollerblading competition
and I was it was all my friends skating in it.
So I was screwing with them. I was playing toxic for one of
them, the skate too. And and all I did that was I had
iPod on one side, laptop on the other, a light switch in between. So there was no smooth
transitions or anything. These are hard.
These are hard transitions. It was so bad.
It was so bad. I didn't have a mixer, I didn't
have anything. So those are called train wrecks
sometimes, yes, I've been to places and I hear the DJ.
I'm like, dude, why don't you just hard transition?
Because you're trying to, you're trying to mix these together and it just does not work. Yeah, Yeah.
You got to think of like looking back on it now, I'm like, it's what I had, it's what I had to do.
OK, Yeah. But at the same time, the next
week, I want to say from that I was going to SEC at the time, Scottsdale Community College. I look and I look at the classes
cuz I'm signing up for my classes.
I'm like intro to turntablism. What is this?
What? That's awesome.
DJ history class production cuz I was going for music business and they don't really do minors, but I was doing like theology because I was always interested in like world views and religion, political views and whatnot.
Not so much with the politics anymore.
I'll be real with that. I don't.
Really do that anymore. Politics are around us so.
Yeah, Yeah. It is what it is.
It is what it is. Far as far as that goes, as long
as you're a good person, I like you.
There you go. But as when I when I saw that, I
was like, you know what, it's time to take the jump.
I would so right across the freeway from Scottsdale Community colleges pavilions and I went over there and grabbed 2 tea. Chart tables and a microphone.
Pretty much 2 T 90s. They were Stanton turntables and
Newmark M2 mixer. And I'm like, you know what,
I'll get Cerrado and I'll grab a couple Cerrado vinyls and what not. And I didn't know how to set it
up yet. I, I was just grabbing my mom's
vinyl and stuff like that, my dad's vinyl and just playing it and kind of teaching myself beat matching on that.
And then I, I went into these classes and I'd already taught myself beat matching and what not.
And the SECDJ program changed my life.
I will say that it was it's now Mesa Community College that does it, but SCCDJ program was the first one you could get actually a degree in DJ ING. That's I mean that mind blowing.
Again, no idea. And we had legendary people come
through. I was taught by DJ Emil.
Rob Wagner, honestly, he created the program.
Hats off to you, got so much love for that guy DJ Emil.
He is part of Bomb Shelter DJ. So you're talking about DJZ Trip
who took over for DJ AM when AM died over in the Palms of Vegas.
He's also LL Cool J's tour DJ now.
That's cool. And then I had ruthless Ramsey
and Radar. So Radar was like the first
scratch class and stuff like that.
Then he left and Ruthless Ramsey came in.
Now you should look this up. I think you'll get a kick out of
this. He's actually scratching.
He's got videos of him scratching on tape decks like old boom boxes and he's actually making the.
You should post one to hard parking violations.
I'll definitely. I love watching scratch videos.
I'll definitely do that. So I was taught by him and I
kind of cooked up in the lab a little bit for about a year and a half before really making a debut and professionally.
And one of my classmates asked me to DJ their wedding.
It was like I didn't know what DJs were asking at the time.
I only got I, they only paid me 20 bucks.
I'm like, OK, cool, whatever. You know, it's an experience at
that time. It's hard to price yourself out.
It's that's that's the hardest thing that I do when people ask me how much would you charge for this or how much would you charge for that? I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
I was, I was talking to another guy in the car seat who's also a DJ this morning and I told him like I have, I have the mixer that you're looking for and I'll sell it to you for 500 bucks.
I never even like looked it up with the prices.
I, I Google it. First thing that hits is Guitar
Center. This mixer 1200 bucks used.
I'm like this thing hasn't been around for like 10 years.
Well, good equipment is good equipment.
It's like these microphones, we were talking about these earlier. It's like these Electro voices
have been around forever. The price is the price.
It's. It doesn't change.
Like I said, I use EV speakers actually love Electro voice.
But yeah, the that wedding led to me DJ ING at a hookah lounge in Tempe off of University in rural right there, right smack dab across from the stadium, across from all the dorms.
You were done. Hookah.
Yeah, yeah. Hookah.
Yeah. Hookah.
Hookah. I I I just can't do it.
It just it just seems so freaking weird to me.
It is. Very.
Weird, it seems very Star Warsy cafe in the middle of some other Galaxy. It's very Middle Eastern.
Is that what? Is that where it's come from?
Yeah, it comes from like Middle East, but it's, it's, it's like flavored tobacco where you put hot coals on top.
So you're not really like burning it, but it's getting enough. And it's kind of like a like a
bong. It's water filtered, but it's,
it's different. I don't really do it anymore.
I kind of grew out of that phase.
But I started doing that. I DJ there for like 2 years and
just picked up gigs here and there and I, I ended up going down to Old Town and there's a girl that was like trying to promote a night there and like you're a DJ.
I'm doing a night over at Westgate.
We all know about Westgate. I'm not not saying anything
negative, but I'm saying it was a start for me.
We did Walk of Shame Wednesdays, Walk of Shame Wednesdays at Calico Jacks. Now this is my first like kind
of nightclub debut and stuff like that.
So we had it going. We tried to do the DJ drummer
thing, which I'm going to come back to, but it didn't really work out. It worked out, but it didn't.
The reason why it didn't work out is because that girl's friend fell off the back of the bar, dancing on the bar and went to the quick rail. And luckily my friends that are
paramedics and we're working for Avondale Fire at the time were in the building. They'd had a couple, but they
brought her back in and they treated her.
And walking out that night, it was crazy.
As I'm walking out and walking in my car, the girl that fell that was completely wasted was driving.
Oh my. God, I'm just like, are you
serious? And I've had too many people I
know pass because of a drunk driver.
Yeah. So I'm extremely against drunk
driving. But, yeah, But that, that gig
still, you know, I played my politics, right?
Really is what it was. That gig led me to starting
another gig on Monday nights in Old Town at Barney's Boathouse.
Where you play there? That was Top 40, Top 40 more EDM
side of things. It was kind of 20/10/2011.
I ended up doing a couple gigs, other venues around there.
I'll send you guys pictures of me with Steve Aoki and Richard Vision. I ended up working that year
with Maybe Boy to Prince, if you remember that.
This is the way I live. Yeah, that that guy.
And Mac 10 was on that same show, so that was pretty cool.
And I was also in a car club at the time where I could also tie it in with different car shows that we were, we were posting around the valley. So it kind of got the word out
of my name and. What's your DJ name?
Do you have one? Yeah, so it's been my nickname
since high school. My nickname since like freshman
year. Before freshman year actually,
we were doing summer workouts at football.
I get down on my 3 point stance. I was a lineman, went to Saint
Mary's for the football at the time and coach goes we got a red here and nobody at high school knew my name, my real name, nobody. You're just red.
Yeah, I was just red and even on like the senior shirts.
Yeah, instead of saying my real name, it was red.
Like the the. That's awesome.
We had everybody's name in like the O3.
Yeah. Instead of saying Andrew
Freeling, it said Red Freeling. I'm sorry.
Like then finally my name gets called at graduation.
Like who's Andrew? I was like.
Dude, dude, that's you. Who was Andrew?
Yeah. And they didn't know.
And then I stood up and like, yeah, I'm like, wait, what?
That's funny. But yeah, so my buddy Flagstaff,
my best friend, I was just hanging out with him.
Alfredo, he I was talking to him.
He's like, you should just be big red and not even DJ in front of it. I'm like, with a DJ, you have to
have somebody name you somebody you're close with or another DJ or something like that. It's, it's, it's kind of like,
you know, good luck. Like, it's kind of like, you
didn't say break a leg, you know?
It's like earning your wings. Yeah, as an Angel, right?
Yeah, it's like you have to be named by another DJ.
Yeah. So you can't just come up and
say, yeah, I'm Secret Squirrel, you know, but so he named me.
He's not a DJ or anything like that, but he named me.
And I'm just like, it's simple enough.
I mean, there's a soda. I could steal the logo for a
little bit. Yeah, that is my logo.
It's almost like you have to throw DJ in front of it just for the non people or the people who don't know what's going on.
But internally it's like, oh man, it's red.
Yeah, but yeah, starting out like that led me to doing other gigs. I've worked with people from
Cypress Hill. We're talking about Send Dog.
I have his number on my phone. It's still.
Super weird. How does this happen that you
kind of trip and fall into these circles?
Right place, right time, right time.
Place. Well, you're you're always gonna
want to network. Yep.
Biggest thing is networking. Yep.
Mind you, yeah, Facebook was a thing, but it was not as big as it is now. Instagram was not.
It was literally just for hipsters to post their pictures and put a grainy film edit on them, you know?
You know, it was like the startings of that era and stuff like that. Back when Call of Duty was
actually. Done.
No, it's ads and reels. Yeah, before TikTok and all this
stuff, but I've ended up working with Egyptian lover Greg Nice of Nice and Smooth. He actually did a drop for me
which was awesome. That is awesome.
Track star of the DJs I've I've been hanging out with him he's run the jewels DJ, my buddies in unconventional kings they're signed to tech Nines label. We just did a.
We just. What do you do with them though?
Or do you do you like mix and match?
Well, they'll ask me to come out.
DJ is a case. Slay, DJ Slay.
Recipes. Right.
Yeah, but like, Oh yeah, we just had static selecta come out.
Oh, I know that. Yeah, yeah, we just had, we had
static come out and we had a few of like the guys signed with him come out as well. But we just did a six year
anniversary of Trill Hip Hop Shop.
That's cool, man. That's cool shit.
And there's a lot of celebrities that just ended up walking in on us. So we always have Destroy from
SiriusXM shade 45. He also control alt destroy.
He comes in and he hosts it for us.
He's wild. He's like I he he came out to
one of my events and then after we were like, oh, let's go hit up another bar cuz the event was over at like midnight and we go over to ribs and they're doing karaoke.
Mind you, it's it's a goth bar. It's death metal karaoke.
What does he do? He goes up on stage and does
Macklemore. It's the it's the funniest thing
I've ever seen. Like just being a wild Puerto
Rican. Like he's so, he's so funny, so
wild. But yeah, he came out and we
actually this this sixth year, we also had Bud Bundy from No kidding from Married with Children come out and.
Man, that guy can spin. He he's a DJ.
He's a DJ. But walking in through the
crowd, Ice T shows up randomly now Ice T, he's no no stranger to the shop. But we did not, they did not
expect him. I couldn't be there.
I was working at the time, but Ice T walks in and then after that, David Arquette walks in. I was like this from hearing
from people because again, I was at work, I was all the way to Anthem. This is wild.
I was signed on to do the six year anniversary after party.
So we go down to I just drive straight to the after party to to set up and what not. And I walk into that dirty
drummer. I walk into tricky setting up
and we have a couple of other DJs that are going to be on my boy FAC 135, which I'm doing a show with this Saturday.
I, I thought Bud Monday was going to come out and unfortunately he didn't. But I go into the green room,
I'm just sitting down and going through music.
I get up, I get back out, there's somebody setting up on stage like an electronic, electronic drum kit.
I'm like, that's cool. So they're going to do that, but
they're doing it during Fact 135 set, which honestly, if you're doing a sound check during somebody set, it's kind of rude, but at the same time knowing who this guy was after.
I understand it, yeah. It's still kind of rude though.
Yeah, but it but yeah, when you. So I get on there and I start DJ
ING and the guy starts drumming with me.
I'm like, I didn't know I was doing a DJ drummer set.
Yeah. And he's like, just go with it,
man. Just go with it.
And there's a light on his little set that says Darude Tronics. And I'm like thinking, I just
saw this logo somewhere. I get out my phone.
And mind you, this is either the day of or the day before the the Tiny Desk for clips had dropped. He's the drummer on that that
Tiny Desk concert. So yeah, it was, it was crazy.
Like my aunt, my hair is still standing up right now.
Like. Dude, that's nuts, man.
Yeah. Like I've I've, I've had the
opportunity. I feel blessed to DJ for all
these people. It's awesome.
So when you're DJ ING for these people and all these collapse, like what does that mean? It's probably a little different
than the average person watching or listening to this when they think of someone DJing. Or is it not any different at
all? Like what does that mean?
If you were to do a DJ collab with Ice T for example, what does that mean? I'd get, I'd work with him and
say, hey, where do you want this cut?
Do you want me to do any tricks here?
Want me to double up? Do you want me to thread it
here? Do you want me to, you know,
juggle it? What do you, what do you need me
to do? I don't.
Like DJ producing at the same time with the artist, That's cool. Yeah, like DJ Ed for Reverie and
Medusa, I've DJ Ed for if you're if you're familiar with J Dilla.
Yeah. I've DJ Ed in front of his mom.
Cool. Like it all depends on what the
performer wants. They're gonna hand you the USB
or whatever, you know, they'll, they'll hand you the USB and say, hey, this, this is going to be the track list.
So you have to organize that, obviously.
And they'll kind of just give you signals here and there.
OK, cut it up. And then you just start, you
know, doing whatever scratches you want.
Yeah, that's cool. A little freedom there.
Yeah. What do you?
I mean, what do you like to listen to?
Do you listen to just the the car when you're in the car?
Do you listen to other DJ sets? You're always like DJ on your
mind studying what's the new trends or do you just like?
Unplug. All the above.
So what do you source? What do you source?
You said you just downloaded about 2500 songs.
And how do you decide what you want to use?
Because as someone who would dabble very lightly for a long time in my life, it's nothing compared to what you've done, but it's enough to understand the complication and and how much work goes into what it is you're doing.
And I can't even imagine gathering $2500 cuz music, unless some of the roots music hasn't really changed as much the the general Public Music has changed just so much to where I got to a point where I'm just like you know what?
I've sampled the the top 100 of these 8 genres and I found 5 songs I like. I'm done.
Yeah, I'll be real honest with like today's music.
It's garbage. It's trash.
It's literally throwaway songs. There's a few in there that I
like, a few artists that I do. Like, right, there's always
gonna be something, but. But most of the stuff that
you're hearing on radio, honestly, it's throwaway.
And it's, it's money making songs pretty much for the label or the individual, which I get it, there's artistry involved, but it feels like there's no soul to it.
Yeah. No soul anymore.
Yeah. But where I get my music from is
as a DJ, we have to pay for the rights of the songs and whatnot.
Yeah, one way, it's kind of a Gray area, One way we get around it is record pools. And so back in the day, you join
a record pool, you spend $10 a month, they'll send you records.
OK. They'll send you vinyl.
Like white label stuff, yeah. Yeah, white label stuff,
definitely. I have a few white labels that
I'll gift you a couple. I'll have to come back out here
and gift you a couple. I'll put it in here.
Yeah, that's cool shit for the studio.
I've got well, since your logo with yourself on there.
I have a couple of ludicrous ones that DTP that kind of remind you remind you that your logo.
I'll give you some, but we do we use record pools.
OK, nowadays it's they're MP3 pools or MP4 pools if you're a video DJ. So like I have smash vision,
which is more of smash vids is music videos.
I also have BPM Supreme. BPM Supreme covers a lot of
bases. OK, They have a whole Latin
section. They also have a producer
section if you're making beats, so that's really cool.
They have the full sample library, everything.
Club Killers, my homie John Shaw got me on that, I want to say, back in 2013. And so I've seen that thing grow
kind of retract a little bit and now it's growing again.
So I'm. Trying to think of the website
that I used to buy all my music off.
Of I 12 inch. Which you can buy everything,
you know, the different formats and the price would spike depending on what you would want.
And it was beat port, beat port. I spend so much money on fucking
beat port buying the wave because I realized that there's a difference when you just randomly down shit from like download shit from like audio Galaxy back in the day.
Yeah, shit like. That you want the 3:20 or the
1440? Yeah.
And wave is the higher you want. You want your MP threes at 3:20
or above, but you know where I still search for songs and stuff like that. I'm, I'm going through different
people's Patreons now and kind of going through like Trey's Nick Bike, who else I've got. I've got quite a few Patreons.
My homie Pixter, he's a really excellent DJ and excellent producer, and he lives out here in the Valley.
You know, I got to support the homies.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
But yeah, like record pools, that's where it's at.
And you find certain ones that will get you what you need.
At one point I had like 8 record pools.
But mind you, it's it's like, was it 90 bucks for three months? Yeah.
And it's automatically coming out.
So it's like, yeah, you're, you're paying a lot, but yeah, you have unlimited downloads. Yeah.
And so like in a day I'd be at 1000 downloads.
But you also have to look at the songs this way.
There's gonna be with DJs, you're gonna have the normal song, the clean version, The Dirty version.
You're gonna have extended versions for intros and outros.
You may have acapellas. So you're you may be getting one
song, but you're getting like 8 to sometimes 12 of the same song. Oh yeah, short extended.
Radio. Yeah, clean.
Dream remix, yeah, and then everybody's remix from the other people out there remixing. You know, Oh yeah, I know.
Like I think, I think not like us when that came out, I think I have probably about 40 different variants of not like us.
My my laptop, I have an 8 terabyte hard drive that I plug into it, so I'm usually carrying around 400,000 songs.
Yeah with me at all times. How many of those do I play?
Probably same select few almost every time.
I'm just joking. Out right?
No, I mean I try. To mix it up every time.
It's hard though, right? Unless you just do it on the fly
and it becomes an art, I imagine.
But that's that's so cool, man. My Monday nights it's all Motown
soul and funk over at Stardust Pin Bar.
This one is a shameless bug. Stardust Pin Bar in downtown
Phoenix. Motown on Mondays.
It's from 8:00 to midnight and you're going to hear Motown originals. You'll also hear Motown remixes.
You'll hear stuff from Stacks and Capital from the 80s.
It'll go all the way into freestyle.
And it's a national thing too. So it's not just Phoenix that's
doing this. It started in San Francisco,
it's in Honolulu, it's in all these different places all across the US. So it's, it's pretty cool to say
that I'm, I'm a part of that. I'm a resident with that.
But yeah, like that one, I pretty much play that and I'll, I'll, I'll play the samples into the new songs too.
Blow Your Whistle is a song that has a sample that turns into tambourine. And so I typically do that, but
it's also at 123 BPMS where Tambourine by Eve is 103 beats per minute. So I have a track that turns
into the sample and then slowly brings down the sample to one O 3 so I can match it. And and then I just go into the
the Eve Song and then like I did this one on Monday where I have a remix of Love Come down that that comes in under it.
It sounds great. Yeah, it's it's actually, it's
so fun. It got it got everybody on the
dance floor. It was really great.
But I mean, it's DJ ING. It's it's fun.
I get you, Let me get you out of here on this, and this is a corny question, but knowing the different people that you have to play for, it might be a fun one.
What right now at the top of your head, are the top five most requested songs? Like dance songs that just won't
seem to die. Dance songs that won't seem to
die. Yeah, so I'll give you an
example. Dancing Queen, right?
That's everybody. Everybody.
Yeah, everybody. 5. That's on there Let's see here
levels. It usually just gets people out
on the dance floor. Levels by Avicii Pretty Young
Thing by Michael Jackson believe it or not, it's not really a lot of requests, but when somebody requests Michael Jackson I usually play that yeah, where I'm at 43 we'll.
Say 5:00-ish, Yeah. I get a lot of requests for
Taylor Swift, but I choose not to play those.
And I guess it depends on where you're at, right?
Because. Yeah, it all depends on.
Where I'm thinking like everybody likes Cupid Shuffle.
I'm not big into it but it gets anybody off the floor.
I'm not a big fan of those at all.
The cha cha slides like, oh, these are the ones that people just like. I'm just like, oh here.
We go cha, cha slide to me, cha cha slide, Cupid shuffle, all those, you know, wobble. They're all, they're all cheater
songs. Yeah.
My goal is to get you out there without playing those, you know?
Yeah, but like, cha cha slide, when it does, everybody clap your hands? I loop it.
They'll be out there clapping for like.
For a long 5. Minutes, I just saw somebody
else. Doing blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah. I just saw somebody else doing
something else with it. When it says slide to your left
and then slide to your right, Well, he on the other side, he played the original on this side, but slide to your left, slide to your left, Cha cha to your left.
Now they're like. Confused.
Yeah, yeah, I would say most commonly stuff I still get Yafed by Usher. I get a lot of Travis Scott, the
Travis Scott Drake, I forgot what it's called, but out like a light, like a light. Oh, sure.
In Paris, I can't say the other word.
Yeah, I have a like a bachata version of that too.
So like it goes into like Spanish music and stuff like that. I also do a tone play into Peso
Pluma, that big song he had when he first like showed up on the scene. Yeah, there's there's a lot of
aspects to it, but say #1 most requested song, it's got to be.
Whether you enjoy it or not. Whether I enjoy it, you don't
have. To play it.
Whether I enjoy it or not, yeah, it's got to be.
It's not just songs, it's. About the person, when you're
into Taylor Swift of a killer set, yeah.
Or they just run up and it's not that night at all.
It'll be like hip hop night or something.
Someone will run up's like, can you play ACDC?
You're like, no, not I can't. I was like, I, I have a shirt
that I wear out that says no requests.
Sorry, no requests. And I also have a hat that says
no requests ever. We don't really like requests,
but I, I do try to take the requests into in account because I want to make sure that everybody's having a good time.
Well, I play it maybe hip hop night.
If I'm say I'm up at like 128 beats per minute and they want ACDC, Thunderstruck or something like that, I will find a beat.
Whether it's, you know, whether it's just the old school run DMCS, It's tricky, right? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom. Right.
That. I'll turn that off.
We have stems now where we can cut the vocals out of songs.
We can cut the melody, we can cut the bass line, we can cut the drums out of a song. Nice live on the spot.
What I'll do is I'll flip it into the.
You'll start hearing the Thunderstruck, right?
And. But you'll hear that beat
continuously under mashing it up.
Yeah. And I'll take the drums out.
Yeah, but yeah, it's wild. But yeah, as far as most
requested, Taylor Swift these days, yeah.
Unfortunately, how can people find you?
All my socials are DJ Big Red Arizona, my Xbox Live is DJ Big Red Arizona, my PlayStation Network is.
DJ Big Red. DJ Big Red, Arizona under score.
It's got the under score mixing it up.
See what I did there? Yes, yes, I'm picking up what
you're putting down. Thank you.
You're. Welcome.
Thank you for having me. Absolutely.
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