“On grid” means you’re positioned at the starting lineup for an on-track session. It usually implies the cars are arranged to start in an organized way.
PTS is Porsche’s special paint option—basically custom paint chosen to be unique. Enthusiasts often see it as more desirable than standard paint choices.
Angled headlights are headlights that point slightly to the side instead of straight ahead. It’s a styling choice that can also affect where the light shines.
The Porsche 911 R is a special, more track-oriented version of the 911. Here, they mention it had drum brakes on all four wheels, which is a big deal because most cars use disc brakes instead.
Drum brakes are a braking system where the car slows down using pads/shoes inside a drum. Having them on all four wheels is notable because many performance cars use disc brakes for stronger, more consistent stopping.
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injected 377 small block
They’re talking about a V8 engine based on a “small block” design, sized to 377 cubic inches. “Injected” means it uses fuel injection, which helps the engine get the right fuel more precisely than older carburetors.
The Ferrari Enzo is one of Ferrari’s most famous supercars. They mention it because it was a centerpiece car at the event, with other classics like the 308 parked nearby.
The Ferrari 308 is a famous older Ferrari sports car with a V8 and a very “driver-focused” feel. Here, they’re pointing out their 308 was parked near an Enzo, showing how special the cars at the event were.
Ferrari Club of America is a group for Ferrari owners and fans. The speaker mentions it because it connects people through local events.
Term
fog rally
A fog rally is a type of driving event where participants follow a route and often share a theme or conditions—here, fog. It’s not a standardized automotive term like a transmission type; it’s more of an event-style phrase used by enthusiasts.
The Peugeot 308 is a compact car. The episode mentions that many of them have paddle shifters, which are small controls behind the steering wheel that let you change gears manually. That’s a noticeable feature for drivers who like more control.
“Paint to sample” means picking a specific color sample and having the car painted to match it. They’re talking about how much people cared about that custom-color style at an event in Bister.
A Ford Roadster is a classic Ford-style car that’s built to be open-top, like a traditional hot rod. The episode is praising this one as being done really well. That’s why it gets called out.
Left-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the left side of the car. It’s the usual setup in many countries, and it can feel different if you’re used to right-hand-drive cars.
The Renault Clio is a small hatchback car. The “5 doors” version just means it has doors for both front and rear seats. The episode mentions a Clio Trophy, which is a sportier version they enjoyed driving.
The Volkswagen Golf is a popular compact car model. The episode mentions a display of GTIs from different years, showing how the performance version changed over time. That’s why the Golf comes up—people like seeing the evolution.
A rotary engine is an engine type where parts spin instead of pistons moving up and down. It’s a different design than most cars, and it can change how the car sounds and drives.
The Rover 3500 is an older British car. The hosts mention it because it was running against a Camaro at the event, showing how different cars can end up competing together.
The Jaguar E-type is a classic British sports car that’s known for its iconic look and strong performance. Here, they’re talking about E-types that are modified for racing, so they can be much faster than a stock one.
Concept
LM 250
“LM” is shorthand for Le Mans, the famous endurance race. Mentioning “250 LM” is a way of pointing to a specific racing-era Jaguar connection.
The Jaguar D-type is another classic Jaguar race car, best known for Le Mans racing. In this conversation, they’re sorting out which Jaguar model name people are using.
The Jaguar C-type is another classic Jaguar race car from the 1950s. They’re mentioning it because people sometimes use different Jaguar letter names when talking about these cars.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a small SUV that also has a cargo bed like a truck. The episode mentions driving around the California coast area, which suits a vehicle that can do both passenger trips and carry stuff. That’s why it’s mentioned in a travel story.
The Alfa Romeo Giulietta is an Italian car model that enthusiasts like. In the episode, they mention a Giulietta with a Zagato body, which is a special style made by a coachbuilder. They also say it might not fit the event rules, which is why eligibility comes up.
Coachbuilding means a specialist company makes or reshapes the car’s body. It often turns a normal car into something rare and custom.
Concept
old Italian tune up
An “old Italian tune-up” is a colloquial way enthusiasts describe getting an older engine fully warmed up and cleaned out through spirited driving. The idea is that after sitting or after initial heat cycles, the engine can feel freer to rev and sound better.
Hagerty is a company that insures classic and enthusiast cars. Here, they’re mentioned as running the event, which is why you see a lot of high-end cars there.
The Lamborghini Urus is an exotic SUV from Lamborghini. In this story, they’re saying there were several of them at the event, and the experience was impressive.
The Audi SQ8 is a sporty Audi SUV. The hosts mention it as a comparison to help you understand where the Urus fits—both are luxury SUVs, but the Urus is the more extreme, Lamborghini take.
Car
Maserati 300S
The Maserati 300S is an old-school Maserati race car from the 1950s. People value it because it’s tied to Maserati’s historic racing success.
The Ferrari 500 Mondial is a very famous old Ferrari race car. It’s the kind of rare, collectible car that shows up when people bring their best classics to big events.
The Ferrari Mondial 3.2 Cabriolet is a Ferrari from the 1980s/early era that’s designed to be driven with the top down. In the episode, it’s mentioned as part of a collection and event story. That’s why it comes up—people like specific Ferraris with known histories.
The Chrysler Concorde is a sedan, meaning it’s a regular car with a trunk and four doors. The episode mentions it as part of a bigger story about cars at an event. It comes up because it’s a recognizable model from its time.
The Porsche 356 is an older Porsche sports car from the early days of the brand. People collect them today, and their condition can vary a lot. The podcast is mentioning one that had an issue after being bought.
The Mercedes 300SL is a famous old Mercedes from the 1950s, especially known for its cool gullwing doors. Here, they’re joking that even a legendary car like that can have problems.
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rolling crews
“Rolling crews” just means a group of people driving together, usually to an event. They’re saying that’s more common now than it used to be.
The Ford Falcon is a car model that was used in racing and has a loyal fan base. The episode is talking about a Falcon that was set up to perform well in a specific race event. That kind of success story is part of why people care about certain Falcons.
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a rare, high-performance supercar. The episode is talking about an event where they made a special class just for T.50s. That’s why it stands out in the conversation.
Company
GMA factory
They toured a factory run by GMA to watch cars being built. It’s basically a behind-the-scenes look at how the car is put together.
“Track versus street specs” means the same model line can be configured differently depending on whether it’s meant for racing or everyday driving. Track setups often prioritize aero, cooling, and tires for sustained high-speed use, while street setups balance drivability and compliance.
The Lexus LFA is a rare, high-performance supercar made by Lexus. The podcast is saying that even with relatively high mileage (three digits), people still want them—especially in popular colors like white. That’s why mileage didn’t seem to scare buyers off.
“Reset the grids” is auction-site jargon for reloading or reordering the listing layout (“grid”) after changes. It’s about how the listings are displayed, not a mechanical car detail.
The Lamborghini 400 GT is an older Lamborghini that collectors value a lot. The episode talks about a possible conversion to a “Spider” style, which means changing the body style from the original configuration. Projects like that can be complicated, so it’s mentioned as a work-in-progress situation.
A “chop top” means someone cuts the roof down (or removes it) to make the car look lower and more custom. Here, the coupe was modified into an open-top style by cutting the roof.
Company
Gooding R.M. auction
Gooding is a well-known auction company for expensive collector cars. If someone buys a car there, it’s usually because the car is high quality and the sale is aimed at serious collectors.
Here, “conversion” means the owner changed the car’s body style—turning it into something different than it left the factory as. Cutting the roof is a big change, not just a cosmetic one.
Topic
Pebble Beach event mention
They’re talking about Pebble Beach, a famous car event where collectors show off rare cars. It’s relevant because it explains why people are impressed by what they saw there.
Term
Roadster only
A roadster is an open-top version of a car. The comment means the kind of roof that can go up and down is only available on the open-top version, not the closed-roof version.
This refers to early Lamborghini “GT” cars—grand touring models meant for long-distance driving. They’re older and uncommon, so seeing one actually drive is a big deal for collectors and fans.
The Ford GT is a special, high-performance Ford supercar with a racing background. Here, they’re talking about a particular example of one and how its price has changed over time. The “chassis number” is basically the car’s unique ID.
A chassis number is the car’s unique ID number. It helps confirm you’re talking about the exact same vehicle, not just “a similar one.”
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R&M'd
“R&M’d” is shorthand commonly used in enthusiast circles for a car being reworked or modified—often implying a restoration/refresh or mechanical work done to improve it. In this context, it’s paired with “760, 770,” which suggests they’re talking about the car’s pricing range or a specific variant/market tier. Without more surrounding transcript, the exact meaning of the abbreviation can’t be pinned down with certainty.
The Mustang GT350 is a special, performance-focused version of the classic Ford Mustang. A convertible GT350 is the same idea, but with the roof down—so it’s a different kind of car to build and to drive.
They’re talking about an early track event called “Velocity” at Sonoma. It’s more about the car meet and the cars that attended than about how the cars work.
A roll bar is a safety structure that helps protect you if the car rolls over. On convertibles, it’s especially important because there’s no hard roof to provide protection.
The Chrysler Saratoga is an older car model made by Chrysler. In the episode, it’s mentioned because of a personal connection to Saratoga, California. That’s why the name comes up in the story.
Baja 500 is a famous off-road race in Baja California. It’s the kind of event where people build special trucks and SUVs to survive desert terrain.
Term
six
Here, “six” probably means a six-cylinder engine. Different engine types can change how a vehicle accelerates and handles, especially in off-road racing.
An engine swap means replacing the original engine with a different one. Here, they’re swapping in Corvette V8s to make the vehicles faster for racing.
The Corvette is a well-known American sports car, and it’s especially known for its V8 engine. In this story, people used Corvette engines in other cars to make them faster for racing.
The Ford Bronco is an off-road SUV. In this segment, it’s the kind of truck they were racing in Baja, and the key detail is whether it had a V8 engine from the factory.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a rugged off-road SUV. Here, they’re talking about using its six-cylinder engine to race, and they call it a bad idea compared to V8 engines.
Four Wheeler is an off-road-focused automotive magazine brand. The host calls it a sibling to Motor Trend-related publications, emphasizing shared off-road readership and their own childhood subscriptions.
Leaf springs are the suspension parts that help the vehicle ride over bumps. Using multiple leaves (like “four”) is a traditional off-road design that’s strong and works well on rough ground.
The Mint 400 is a well-known off-road desert race. It’s the sort of event where people bring classic trucks and heavily modify them to compete.
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Strip it out and put 33s in a V8 in it
This describes a typical off-road race build strategy: removing interior/weight (“strip it out”), swapping to a V8 engine, and fitting larger tires (“33s”). Bigger tires increase ground clearance and traction, while a V8 swap targets stronger power for sustained off-road loads.
They’re talking about a GT Mustang that has a three-speed transmission. It’s unusual enough that they suspect it might not be the original setup from the factory.
They’re saying the engine uses a four-barrel carburetor, and that it matches the factory “A-Code” spec. That’s important because it helps verify whether the car is set up the way it was originally built.
Term
R-Code
“R-Code” is Ford’s label for a specific factory engine/option package on certain classic Mustangs. They’re using it to compare which exact factory setup a car has.
The Acura NSX is a mid-engine sports car that’s known for being well-built and fun to drive. Here, they’re talking about one with extremely low mileage, which makes it especially desirable.
The Volkswagen Multivan is a family-friendly van designed to carry people comfortably. The episode mentions a specific “blue star” version, meaning it has a particular look or configuration. People talk about these because they’re practical and can be customized or kept in standout condition.
They’re talking about a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda with a “HEMI” engine. A HEMI is a special V8 design that’s known for making big power and being highly sought after.
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drag car 70 dragster roller
A “dragster roller” is basically a drag-racing frame that can roll around, but it may not be fully finished with the engine and drivetrain yet. The “70” is probably pointing to a 1970-style dragster build or listing.
“Coyote” is what people call Ford’s newer 5.0-liter V8. If a build has a “coyote,” it usually means it swapped in that modern Ford engine.
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four valve Cobra motor
“Four valve” means the engine has more valves per cylinder, which helps it breathe better. “Cobra motor” usually means it’s using an engine associated with Ford’s Cobra performance models.
A hardtop is a body style where the roof is rigid and typically doesn’t have the removable/convertible soft-top structure. In custom builds, people often use “hardtop” to describe a coupe-like look even when the car has been modified extensively.
A fairing is a shaped cover that helps air flow more smoothly around the car. Here, they’re wondering if there’s an extra aerodynamic panel under the car.
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32 Ford Highboy
A “32 Ford Highboy” is a classic 1932 Ford hot rod that’s been modified to sit higher and look more aggressive. The hosts mention it because it’s a famous template for a certain chopped-car style.
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What if I have a Porsche driving school now?
Yeah, there's some sort of deal where you can drive in Porsches.
I mean, now there's a bunch of banners all over the place for Porsche, right?
I didn't know that was a thing.
It's just like, yeah, well, I mean, I guess all these other driving schools
are like a revolving door there, right?
You're like driving Dodges, then you're driving BMWs, then you're driving.
That was a long time ago, dude.
I drove the Dodges like on the in the paddock, like around cones.
Like some Dodge Stratasys or something.
No, you could run my Burs on the course first.
I mean, that was Skip Barber stuff.
And then it was another brand.
And then it was, I don't know what brand, right?
But now I thought I read an article and maybe forwarded it into you guys saying,
why haven't you driven GT3s on Laguna yet?
Right?
Are you wrong?
Am I hallucinating?
I don't remember.
I don't recall such an email.
Okay.
I thought you didn't say that directly to Zach at three different times.
Yeah, maybe.
And he's done it three different times, but didn't tell us.
So I don't know.
If you show up in a GT3, do you get to a discount on driving a different GT3?
I don't know, but there's Porsche things happening.
The reason we started talking about this is Rensport is coming there in 28
and Howard will be on grid.
Also confirmed Porsche track experience Laguna Seca is a thing.
Right?
Bang.
I'm not making it.
Oh man, good pick coming through the quirks.
You're all the same color car.
It's good.
I think that's what you were talking about.
Then that's some marketing picks.
Woof.
Ooh, that's an ugly paint color.
But it's PTS.
I'm sure.
Well, yeah, three PTS in a row.
How special is that?
PTS is starting to lose its...
Oh, it's way cooler if you're non-PTS, right?
I agreed.
All the guys that were PTS now, the cool kids are non-PTS.
You...
When was the last time you saw a base 911?
Like cheap, cheap spec.
I don't even know.
No, I never know.
You never know.
They are now.
Is that right?
They're all...
I never see them.
Now it's tooth stitching or whatever.
Deviated stitching.
I don't know.
It's like when I went to the Michigan, Texas game to get my rental car,
and it was a busy football weekend, and we're going to Avis,
and the Avis Select Priority Line was snaked around the building five times,
and the regular line was like empty.
And this woman was...
I was like, yeah, if everyone's a priority, no one's a priority.
She's like, I know, it's ridiculous.
I was all right into the general boarding out my car.
I love that.
I love that.
It's so good.
So somehow I tied that to PTS, but everything's PTS.
Now every color is PTS.
Right.
Like guards red, paint to sample.
Paint to sample, guards red.
It starts red with two D's at the end, PTS.
Right?
Couple pixels off, PTS.
We'll eat it all or halfway.
No, it's going to get worse.
It'll get worse before it gets better.
There's got to be some sort of contrasting colors.
Allocations.
Allocations.
I need them.
I want them.
I crave them.
One of one.
My base model is one of one.
Totally.
Totally.
It is one of one.
I was at a car show this weekend and somebody was talking
about a car and it's like, oh yeah, it's one of only 47 like this.
I'm like, can you one of one it?
Like what can you one of one on this car?
What can we change?
Yeah, what can we do to get down to one of one?
Was that our local deal in the marina?
Yep.
Motoring coffee, motoring club.
Second time we've partnered with them on a little local event
and it was great.
I heard there was an Enzo there or something.
Silver Enzo and Pagani something, which I'm not
a car guy because I don't know what it was.
It was all made out of carbon.
I looked at them.
Wyra, Zonda, newer, I think.
People were like all around it just like wears out.
A lot of selfie sticks and stuff.
Selfies.
Yeah.
Same owner on both, I believe.
There were some reels happening.
Vertical video.
You're asking about vertical versus horizontal.
It was definitely vertical.
Wow.
That's pretty cool.
Somebody probably drove that in for it.
It was same owner on both.
Then like people were crowded all around of them.
Same owner on both.
What are we talking about?
Some crazy.
A third car came in too.
I can't remember what it was.
Same crew brought those three cars.
They were like right up front.
Main attraction.
But that parking lot was full again.
These are the old power station bros.
I wonder who these guys are bringing Pagani's and Enzo's
into San Francisco.
Did they get Tomatoes thrown at them?
Those are driving down Lombard Street?
I'm not like the biggest Enzo fan, but in silver it's rad.
Like when it's not red, it's kind of rad.
I'm non-Enzo.
Camp non-Enzo.
I am also non-Enzo.
Give me 288 GTO all day.
All day.
But interesting car though.
Yeah.
There was a bunch of cool stuff there.
My favorite car.
There's probably nobody else's favorite car.
There was a bow car.
Like a kind of how?
Raddy bow car with a 289 in it.
And it was lost.
You just lost the entire.
I know.
Tell them what that is.
Like fiberglass special built on I think Corvette underpinnings.
Better Kelsen.
Yes, correct.
Better looking than a Kelsen I think.
And Kelsen's are pretty good for those fiberglass.
But it has the angled headlights.
Angled headlights, right?
Yeah.
This one had 289 badging on it, which you would have appreciated.
Somewhere between a Kelsen and a Cheetah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, bow car is right in there.
Cheetah's later I think.
Cheetah's later.
Cheetah's later.
We've talked about it already.
We had the one that 911 R listed, which was four-wheel drum brakes with an
injected 377 small block.
We were postulating on whether that is the fastest car with four-wheel drum
brakes.
Might be.
It's up there.
Anyway, what else showed up at that place?
Oh, so it was a Ferrari.
Your car showed up there.
My car showed up there.
Is that a secret?
No.
My 308 was there parked right across from the Enzo.
Alumni, BET alumni.
Yeah.
Less R&M.
Less vertical videos and selfie sticks around the 308.
But it was nice to drive it there.
That was fun.
Jason Camisa parked his 308 GT4 right next to it.
So there was a regular 308 and 308 GT4 right next to each other.
Talked to you.
He ought to come here on the pod and defend himself for driving that GT4.
He should.
He posted about it and every comment was like GT4 over 308.
Hurt my feelings a little bit.
Well, there's just people kissing up to him.
Let's be honest.
Kissing the ramp.
Because that's opposite of the truth totally.
So that's fine.
But it was cool talking to him.
It was Ferrari Club of America.
It was kind of the feature deal Northern California Ferrari Club.
So quite a few Ferraris.
Talked to Vasilis.
I don't know if he's out there listening, but he's already sent me some invites
to local Ferrari Club events.
So that was cool.
Are you going full FCA?
Are you going fog rally?
I have a hunch that if I did those, it would be a lot of like 458
spiders in California.
I don't think it's a ton of 308s.
There's a lot of paddle shift.
A lot of top down paddle shift.
Not sweating.
Loafers.
Some red loafers.
He was wearing Gucci loafers and they looked great.
The guy who I was talking to from the club.
I love it.
Yep.
It's not the PCA crumpled baseball hat seen there.
You know, it's a little different.
There's some crossover, but it is a little different.
Ten of BMWs.
Connor was there.
Our colleague Connor and his 996.
Emily showed up.
Zach was there, though I didn't see him.
I'm sorry I missed it.
It was cool.
It sounds like this is a not a one time thing.
There's those little series.
Orderly is what they're saying.
This is the second one of the year so far and we've been at both.
Anyway, that was rad.
You guys did events.
Randy, you're fresh back from the UK.
How was the paint to sample scene at Bister?
Paint to sample was present.
It was there, but it wasn't like adored and worshiped or the center of things.
It was great variety.
So anyway, we had a killer event at the Bister scramble outside of Oxford in the UK.
Man, it was awesome.
First one I'd ever been to and much like Goodwood, the car park, what they call the
car park, which is the parking lot, Concord, you cruise out there and it was incredible.
Like the event was killer, but the people showed up.
I stood out by the entry gates and people are just rolling in in such cool stuff.
Everybody brings a good car and parks it on the lawn and then walks into the event.
Man, the parking lot was just really deep on just cool.
Ford RS stuff is rolling in and 964 RSs are lined up in the dirt, like coming into the
event in crazy colors and trucks and Land Rovers and everything.
Just British weird old, you know, BMC type cars.
Man, it was so cool.
And then in the event, we had six cars on display at the sports purpose facility, the
shed they call it, which is funny.
All the terminology.
I'm finally getting up to speed on all their terminology, but you guys would have loved
the event.
They do them three times a year and they sell out 9,000 tickets.
So it's limited because of capacity.
There's a couple of airplane hangers full of cars.
There's some other cool stuff going on.
So a couple of restorers that are in there that throw open their doors.
Guy that's doing all pre-war Bentley stuff, like the biggest specialist in the UK doing
pre-war Bentley.
He had like eight cars in there.
Some of them are, a lot of them are the typical green.
There was a black one in there.
They're just like, dang, wow.
Guys got their like branded stands going on and guys got branded stuff going on.
There's a couple of like high level sponsor stuff like Maserati was there and a couple
other big brands were there.
But in general, it's pretty, yeah, sort of down to earth and cool crowd and man, they
had a setup where a guy had Nina Grale and a Subaru sort of rally car and a focus like
crazy.
They're into so many types of motorsport there that people show up with crazy stuff.
Guy shows up with like a NASCAR truck series car.
Guy showed up with a 32 Ford hot rod.
That was really good.
Wow.
Sometimes you go to like to Scandinavia or whatever and it's kind of American or trying
to be, but it kind of misses and this thing was like nailed and 32 Roadster.
Wow.
That was cool.
Left hand drive.
People mention on fish and chips at the concessions.
There's something, well Top Gear was there.
They brought a whole spread and some cool cars and then yeah, concessions.
The concessions were good.
They're not afraid to just like serve alcohol and have everybody roaming and going wherever
they want, which is a little different than in America.
I think that may be legal in America.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definite fish and chips.
Definite people slinging burgers.
Pretty interesting and good food.
A lot of like themed vintagey food truck type stuff.
So that was cool.
It was a full day.
You were out there.
7am closed.
We were doing all this stuff.
We looked down at our watch.
It was already 1pm.
So decided to grab late lunch and then yeah, burned it down until 430 or so.
So anyway, I'd love to get you guys over there.
We had a team of five of us over there.
A few East Coast BAT employees and a couple of us from the West Coast and we all flew
out there, stayed in Oxford.
It was like beautiful weather and the students were all finishing up or something.
So it was very lively town, very fun.
Do you any punting?
Did you get to do any punting?
I don't know what that means.
That's where they go in the boats but they use the stem in us.
Oh, that is, yeah.
Oxford is famous.
I think I had the same response.
I was like, what?
No, they're famous for that.
Yeah, people were on the boats on the river in the Botanical Gardens.
It was beautiful.
Anyway, we had fun.
Had a little Renault Clio to drive around, a little Clio trophy that we grabbed to
haul the team around and drive around and have some fun.
That was actually front and center at our display because it's on the website and people
loved that.
That was a model I didn't know about.
How many folks showed up and were like, what are you guys?
Yeah, the response was super interesting.
By and large, everybody was like, oh, BAT, this is cool.
Bring a trailer.
You're here.
But they didn't know the ins and outs of either how it works or how we compare or that
we were listing UK cars.
So they're all like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've followed some of your results or I'm subscribed
or yeah, I've known about that for years.
I was there in the early days.
Oh, that's cool.
You know that whole line.
Yeah.
We get that line a lot.
So anyway, seeing awareness.
I think we were all surprised at awareness.
But then we were also on a cool podcast over there called the Inner Cooler recently.
And so some people were like, oh, yeah, I heard you guys were coming sort of thing.
I heard that was well received.
Good job going on that one.
People said that.
Yeah.
Those guys are cool.
And they were there.
They were like podcasting from the event, which was cool.
And there was a cool display of Volkswagen GTIs through the eras.
Every era of GTIs.
Oh, you loved that.
I adored that.
They were all right hand drive, which made them a little quirky.
I love that.
I've been meaning to ask this for a long time.
What does scramble refer to?
That's like climbing up a hill, isn't it?
Like going up, not a hill climb, but like getting to the top of an embankment, isn't it?
Good question.
I have no idea.
Oh, I mean, you can scramble up.
Yeah, yeah, you can as like motion, like moving around, scrambling around, but it makes me
think of like chaos and like driving like a rally.
That's what I thought.
Yeah.
But they use that term with Endurement and I mean, they say we are scramblers.
They're scramblers.
So it's like a thing.
You know, they're into that name.
Honestly, I have no idea what it means, but for me, it means a cool event with a bunch
of people getting together with an amazing car park.
And obviously, Bistro Motion, the place we did it, is a killer venue that even on any
off day, you ought to go see because it's very beautiful and cool looking.
When you ask AI about what a car scramble is, a too fast, too furious thing comes up
and then Bistro Scramble is the best.
It's okay.
You went to the thing that defines the term.
I went to the one and only.
That's funny.
That is funny.
So anyway, it was killer and we are going to do it again and yeah, we're sponsor of
the event and we had some cool posters and banners.
We were giving things away and had a couple portions on the ground that sold shortly after
the event, which was great.
People were there like looking at them and like checking out the cars and a weird Citro
N GS rotary powered car that is now live on the site.
That is super quirky.
Didn't know about those before that list.
That's probably going to end right before this podcast goes live, but we had a couple
other cars that are still coming that will be probably live when this podcast goes up.
So yeah, go to the UK category and check it out.
But April's a good time to be in the UK for cars to come for the members meetings, day
for the scramble.
It was the week after the members meeting.
I think they're very smart not to plan it on the same time.
I unfortunately couldn't extend.
I got there on the Tuesday right after they ran some of my dream cars at members meeting
right before that.
That's an interesting class.
Classes at members meeting.
I don't know who puts that all together.
I mean, Lord March, but just their creativity with different classes year in and year out
is always super interesting.
I loved seeing button driving that 80s Camaro and against that Rover 3500.
I'm sure all you guys saw the online videos, but it was amazing as always.
It looked like there was a sick Camaro race car at the scramble too.
Is that the green one, which I feel like I've seen running at Goodwood before.
That car won at Revival and is an amazing car and it may have run up the hill at Festival
of Speed too, but yeah, that is coming to BAT and we're stoked on that.
Really?
Oh yeah.
That green second gen Camaro.
Oh man, I love that.
Man, awesome.
It's black.
Black with green.
It has a Fabergé Brut, which is like a cologne or something from the 80s.
Fabergé.
Fabergé.
Sounds very James Bond.
Yeah, totally.
Totally.
Yeah, but over there, that's a totally normal thing that you would see like on TV commercials,
but here in America.
Fabergé and Camaro.
Yeah, totally.
It's like an odd bedfellow.
Totally.
What cologne would you see on a Camaro race car in America?
Old spice.
You'd see like old spice.
100%.
But over there you see Fabergé, which sounds way more sophisticated.
The 60s members meeting group with the leading E-types with the soft tops up.
Yes.
Very street spec looking, I'm sure with some improved running gear, but that was killer
and seeing the short wheel bases chasing down the stock looking Jags.
I was going to say, I saw some of that footage and I was like, God, the Jags are out in front
in front of it.
I saw a dice with an LM, with a 250 LM, I'm like, wow, that's a fast E-type.
Yeah, those guys know how to pedal the E-types over there and I don't think they are stock
at all.
XKE, sorry.
You have to be careful about E-type in UK, right?
Oh really?
Yeah, I thought so.
I thought that was the case.
They say D-type.
Oh, do they?
They say C-type.
Okay.
Anti-E-type.
I thought it was XKE.
Maybe I'm wrong about that.
It is.
Yeah, I think I've been corrected on that, depending on where you are.
By somebody with a British accent.
Yeah, I get corrected a lot.
There was a strong Inaugurale presence at the motoring club event.
What's there?
Many of them.
Three Inaugurale, two Evo, one's in an Evo too.
Wow.
Yellow Evo too, which is like Harry's garage.
One that I thought was yours at first was not a black with the plus one with 17-inch
wheels on it, which was interesting.
Plus two.
Plus two.
Were they 15 stock?
Okay.
15s too.
I think this had 17s also.
The wheel tires had looked just like yours.
And then the third one was red, I want to say.
I like all of that.
Yeah, there was an R5.
I was like, who got Randy's R5 when I rolled up and then I said I had stocky wheels.
I was like, oh, that's not yours, red R5 also there.
All my stuff is all over the place now.
Speaking of red cars, you're fresh off an event too, Howard, that you drove red car
on your father's event, your old event.
Yes.
Tell us about that.
Wrapped up the California mule end of April, a four-day thousand mile road rally for pre-1958
cars that this year started locally here in the Bay Area, stayed in Paso Robles by way
of Santa Cruz and ended in Santa Barbara.
So it was awesome drive, biggest field ever, 80-ish cars.
Wow.
Ton of Porsche with the five-sixes, ton of 300 SL, Benz's, a lot of Alphas.
They had a special Zagato class.
So we brought out a little Zagato body Giulietta that we have, which wouldn't technically be
eligible for that event as it's a 1960, but they had 10 or 12 Zagato cars, kind of stretching
into the early 60s, which is awesome, ton of Aziz.
Our car kind of looks like an Aziz, but it started life as a spider veloce, was rebodied
by Zagato after it was crashed in March of 1960.
So it's very much a one-off type deal, ran great, didn't miss a beat, honestly, we haven't
driven it in a long time.
I have to say, along like day two, is it possible we like blew some stuff out?
The car felt like it got quicker, it felt like it got freer revving and like it gained
five horsepower, started sounding better, you know, old Italian tune up, but cool coffee
stops in Cayucas, in Morro Bay, which is kind of Central California coast.
We did an Asimiento Ferguson through the Army Base, which some California folks would be
familiar with.
They did a phenomenal job with the route, rained pretty heavily on the second day, which
was kind of interesting.
Only one or two minor incidents, but other than that, pretty good survival rate, only
a few lost to attrition.
What do they do when you're on a posh event like that, where somebody breaks down?
On the hand of like a Lexus ES 270 or whatever.
Other events?
Yeah, Copper State.
Copper State gets you a Lexus, right?
Walk into the Lexus rolling showroom and pick whichever one you want.
Right.
And then you just kind of cruise along to the next shrimp launch.
And then they fix your car, you're like, actually, I'm just going to stay in the Lexus.
I'm actually good.
No, no, no.
But on this one, what they do, they're an insurance company.
What do they do?
This is run by Hagerty.
They stepped it up this year.
They somehow got Lamborghini to sponsor it.
They had a bunch of Uruses running around.
Wow, that's right.
So I got some small time in one of those.
Did you drive one?
Riding one?
Just riding briefly.
It's a very New York City view.
Yeah.
New Jersey view, maybe.
What did that feel like?
I mean, they're amazing.
Are they?
And now we like first-gen Uruses are getting, I don't say they're getting cheap, but we
sell a few of those now on PSP.
First-year Uruses, 110 gram.
I think there's still a little more, but some have some miles.
Like you can get a, if you want a 90k mile Urus, I don't know if that's terrible or a
great idea.
I mean, was that basically an Audi SQ8?
Audi Lamborghini RS.
SQ8.
SQ8.
Man, if my old man ever thought there'd be Uruses running around, support for his old
event, I don't know if he'd be turning in his grave, but it was kind of cool.
Those were comfortable people who needed a ride.
They have really cool mechanics along that are absolute magicians and are wrenching on
everything under the sun.
And they're super capable, as you might imagine.
They were fixing stuff all day, every day.
And through some nights, Alex is pulling up a recent year.
This is 2019 Urus way.
Hold on, wait, wait for the interior.
Wait.
Oh man.
Look at the steering wheel.
Lakers.
This is like the shack signing bonus rig right here.
Purple with yellow interior.
19 Urus, 2019 Urus, 47,000 miles sold for 132.
Oh, 132.
Oh, Randy's not far off.
Yeah, there you go.
Crazy far off.
Yeah.
Those were like what?
350 new.
Slight discount for the old yellow interior, but 641 horsepower.
Dang.
Anyways, that's a lot of familiar cars you find on those.
Highlights for me.
A guy brought his Maserati 300S, which is an incredible car.
The guy who's now running the Pebble Beach Concorde brought his 500 Mondial Ferrari.
I've always been a coupe guy.
I think you guys done a four-day or multi-day rally in an open car?
No, I've never had.
I've never done it.
I always do cruise car.
Some people just power through that and it is brutal.
Sun is rough, rain is rough, wind it's all rough, but those people do it multi-day.
So many open cars and like I don't, I couldn't do it.
The closest I came to was taking that Emory Speedster that you had Gendry had to Lufka
Cult driving it across LA in the morning and then back in the morning and you're like
I'm done.
The morning was delightful and then 405 traffic, two hours in that car, you feel like you're
walking down the freeway.
You just feel like you're out in the elements, you know.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
I'm glad you didn't fold that thing up on the 405.
It was great.
That car was great.
That car is easy to drive, easy peasy.
A couple of BAT alumni along.
Actually, I wish I knew when Randy came out to the start that green Chevy style line icon
that was sold on BAT.
Absolutely, that's BAT.
There was a white Julietta Sprint Confort de Vole, I think that he bought on BAT the
week before his 356 broke.
Is that right?
Bit on this car sold by Fantasy Junction and car ran great the entire time.
That was crazy.
That was kind of the biggest BAT success story.
If your event car dies, dial them up on BAT and bid.
But yeah, this guy was telling me the story about his car broke and he was searching around
and he's a big BAT guy and he was like, this is it for me.
Bang, bring it to the start.
That's like your dream, Randy, like you need a car for an event like tomorrow,
snag one.
Ending on BAT tonight, event starts tomorrow.
It's perfect.
Where's the problem?
How could that possibly go wrong?
No, totally.
Yeah, no, that's actually a really nice car.
What that's sold for?
Oh, that is a nice car.
$115.
Woohoo.
I don't think even Zinny Crius has an Urus.
Ready to go totally.
Both allowable on the Almele.
Perfect.
Yeah, your 300SL breaks down and they toss you keys to a 58 alpha.
Upgrade.
Probably.
Awesome car.
And then, yeah, like it's some heavy cars and nowadays people have the rolling
crews and since there was like 18, 300 SLs, they're the whole Mercedes classic.
Really?
Supports vehicles with their proper like Sprinter van all done up in class.
Like actually cool looking rig.
That was separate just for the 300 SL guys.
And I think it was maybe for like one or two guys, but they were obviously helping
out other folks that were running those cars.
Split that 18 ways, right?
That works out.
The guys who ended up getting the Falcon going good on the Copper State, that one
year, they were some stout gentlemen who were following around at 250 Europa.
They were like the support crew for one dude and that car ran great.
So they were just milling around the parking lot every night and them and
Comer, Comer walks up and he goes, you got Holly Jets?
They're like, yep, they're like supporting at 250 Europa and they got it running great.
But as you can imagine, all the Mercedes classic guys are all so awesome.
They're so down to help.
They love all cars.
They love being on the route.
Like they're pulling over for everyone.
Like it's great.
Yeah, business trip for them.
They get to bail out and cruise around.
Totally parking lot scene.
They get fed, right?
And then they did a special deal this year.
They had a class for the Gordon Murray T-50s.
Not really sure why they did that, but it was kind of a cool little experimental deal.
They had five or six of them, a couple different colors.
Those are wild cars.
You had said that you went to the GMA factory tonight.
I did.
Yeah, I got a tour of the GMA factory.
Saw those cars being built and it's really impressive.
The drivetrain is wild.
The way they go together is wild.
I got to see the crazy machine.
They hook up to the side of it and etch the vin into the carbon tub, like in front of you.
I'm going to get one shot at doing that.
Otherwise you'd like ruin this whole thing.
That was a crazy moment.
Then I got to see the new car that they have come in the junior one, the T-33,
which is left side drive or right side drive.
It's not center position.
It's very cool.
I think they made a T-VVS, a track only deal, maybe?
There's also some crazy additions.
Yeah, we got to see a couple of those, like peek under the cover on a couple of those.
They have that version for both of them, I think.
They're doing different specs of track versus street.
But the ones you had, yeah, first run of the T-50 with the fan on the back
and the whole thing, the street car.
I mean, the guys driving were very well behaved.
I don't know if I would have been as a docile with those things.
I didn't unfortunately not get to drive one, but they sound like absolute fighter jets.
Got to run along with a few of them throughout the course of the event.
The engine's impressive.
Yeah, the drivetrain is impressive.
And don't see too many of those rolling into Cayucos.
Right?
A couple of boy in Cayucos were like car people that were on a little road trip
and we're losing their minds.
Less so at the old cars.
I'm more of like, oh my god.
This is a T-50, much less.
Here's five of them.
Yeah, absolutely.
Some amazing compositions.
Rolling in.
That's great to see that.
Is there still appreciation and or talk of the Swig family of the founders?
How does that go?
A little bit.
Yeah, a little bit.
Less and less each year.
Yeah, they're good.
They did give some acknowledgement at the driver's meeting
and we got a little Martin Swig award.
Oh, really?
Oh, that's great.
Well, there's Spirit of the Millimilia.
I think there's a Spirit of Martin Swig award.
Yeah, that one.
I can see.
There's a Swig of Michi award.
That one to I can bomb this year.
D I can be.
Shout out.
Good for him.
Well, he's driving the car.
He's driving the car.
So, yes, there are still some nostalgia spread on there.
Any old timers left from your dad's era?
Anybody still driving who was not much?
Not many.
Not many.
Yeah, not many.
It's kind of a new crowd.
We're different.
Yeah, it's not the four-wheel drum crowd anymore.
That still is.
There's still some.
But man, yeah, his old cronies are.
Conrad, he's basically the only guy left.
Conrad counts for sure.
He was one of the few people who's done every single.
Actually, Conrad and my mom, the only people on the event,
they've done every single one.
Wow.
No way.
That's incredible.
I called that out a few times.
People appreciate it knowing that.
It's a fun little fact.
That is a really fun fact.
Yeah.
Your mom's gone to every single one?
I think so.
Kind of.
That's an amazing.
Conrad's been to every one.
Every one, yeah.
He was a lad at the first one, right?
This is a local Alpha Restorer and mechanic
who's been the lead mechanic on this event.
Mechanic might be putting it a little mildly.
He's just a stack of all trades and savant
and just loves this stuff.
And he's an amazing driver and racer,
but he's been a fixture at this event
since the first year in 1991
and even the pre-runs they did before that.
And he's just an incredible human being.
And we love him, a local guy.
And yeah, he wouldn't miss it for the world.
That's unbelievable.
35 years.
This is the 35th?
35th.
Wow.
Longer than that.
They skip any year in there?
It's been every year.
We skip COVID.
COVID one year.
Two years.
Because this is an April event.
COVID hit March, so we had to shut it down.
2020.
But then you're back in 21?
It's been running longer than the gap
was between the end of the real melee
and before this start.
This is like a 30-something year.
Getting weird.
Well, that's crazy.
Yeah, that is weird.
Wow.
We were chatting about stuff like that.
Like at the first Monterey Historics in 1974,
like a so-and-so car was only 14 years old type stuff.
Like you can get into that type of...
I love that stuff.
Wild.
What else should we talk about, boys?
You want to talk about what's on the site?
You want to talk about what's coming up?
We've had big results.
Howard, I don't know if you want to weigh in.
Beck and I just recorded a pod the other day.
We talked about the LFA result.
We were shouting about that in the office.
That was pretty wild.
Couple, that was live during the event I was on.
And a couple folks on it were actively bidding on it.
Were they really?
Yeah.
When it was at like 1185, I thought,
and others thought that was kind of where it was topping out at.
Maybe people would hit it for a few more and sure enough,
it went, you know, $600, $700 grand higher than that.
So people love white.
People love LFAs.
The three-digit mileage didn't hurt.
But yeah, that was definitely a market moment for those.
Pretty rare for Howard to be surprised these days.
So I always take note when Howard's blown away by it.
I mean, what would a 500-mile Nürburgring was?
What, one?
On six, I think, 1575 something like that.
Amid it after that auction ended, those are now 25
Who knows?
Amazing.
Amazing stuff.
Randy, anything on your radar that's exciting to you
or that you think people should know about?
On the website?
Yeah.
You saw the two.
You said 66 and 67 Shelby's.
Always.
Yeah, we got a 66 Shelby through with a lot of comments
and a lot of discussion.
We had to reset the grids.
You saw that?
It's so great.
Yeah, with new information coming to light through the auction.
How else is that?
That car is going to roll over at 10 auction.
And some guys in 90 seconds that he's allowed to look at it
is just going to get totally bamboozled on that car.
Which, man, I get sucked into watching some other auctions
and thinking about buying a Shelby.
Had some others.
And then I'm like, man, the story comes out after.
I know.
And at BET, it comes out during.
And this one, man.
Cool story.
I think the buyer's going to know what they're getting.
Sold.
Did it sell today?
Way above where we killed bidding.
We thought it wouldn't get back there.
We stopped the bidding at 150, reset it, and sold for 190.
With all the new info.
Sold for 190 with all the...
Replaced fender.
Yeah, it had a replaced inner fender,
which was an issue for some people.
But that came out.
I loved that car, though.
The spec, the history, all that.
I liked it.
Yeah, it seemed pretty good.
It had been with one guy for a really long time,
just a Wimbledon White, 66, four-speed car,
with your favorite alloys.
I know.
You hasted out in the night at all.
Those get pulled off immediately.
I was already...
I was looking at that car and I was like,
okay, which wheels go on immediately after hitting wind?
And you're the opposite.
I didn't catch all the details on that.
I was waiting for the big, like, scandal reveal,
and you're like, yeah, replaced inner fender.
It's like, and, yeah.
That's it.
That's all it was, too.
Oh, man, did that hit?
That's all it was.
Because somebody, like, yeah, wanted that stamping
on the fender, right?
And it wasn't there.
So they had to, they had to sleuth out what was going on.
But it's probably one of those deals where the seller
didn't even know.
They, like, crack over all this.
Ancient.
Right.
History.
History as it goes.
But they were cool about it.
They pulled the thing off.
They did all the things that were required.
That's why BAT is awesome.
Yeah.
But you weren't here for this.
Howard, a BMW crew came through earlier.
Shout out to P. Cain and company.
Oh, yeah.
We didn't talk about them.
Earlier this week.
That was great.
We should.
They were a lot of fun.
But they asked one of the...
Randy did a little impromptu Q&A.
And one of the questions they asked, they're like,
who's the most difficult group of sellers?
And I was like, like, Shelby's.
Shelby's.
I wasn't going to say it.
I was up there thinking about other groups
who shall remain nameless.
And you're like, be sure to say Shelby's, people.
It's a real competition though.
There's a striving for who the most difficult
kind of mark expert community is.
But man, you need some difficult folks.
Otherwise you're not going to...
Who's going to remember the inner fender stampings?
I much prefer that that came out and everyone...
That's so much better than that knot, or somebody trying
to suppress and hide.
I can't believe that's what I boiled down to.
Not to make light of the fender, but I thought it was
something way more sinister, like re-tubbed or smashed
or all the things that you...
And all the crazy scenarios.
Funny story for our car live.
We're talking about stuff live.
We have this 400 GT Spider conversion limbo.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that.
I saw it.
I think they dropped the top off this thing.
What's going on?
It's an amazing individual that we've done some events with
who lives in Marshall, Texas, which is about half a mile
from the Louisiana border.
He bought this car at a Gooding R.M. auction
as a coupe, stock, restored, beautiful.
Like, I don't know, maybe one of the best in the world.
Cut it?
Wait.
As then we were chatting with him like a year or two later,
like, oh, yeah, how's that?
Wounded your tea?
He's like, yeah, he's like, I cut the top off.
I always wonder what those would be like in a Spider.
I just had to have it.
This guy is just an amazing individual.
Bought like the best one.
Immediately just fired up the chainsaw and made this conversion.
It's an amazing car.
And it was beautiful then, and it's great now.
But if you're wondering, this was not like some project
he bought and made the conversion he bought.
Wow.
He rolled it off the field at Pebble and then.
Cut it.
It's great to surgery.
I just love it so much.
Wow.
And is there a top that goes up and down?
Yeah, there is.
Roadster only.
Actually, the top, normally, for these kinds of things,
they don't look good.
It actually looks OK.
I don't know.
It looks fair.
I always wanted one of those in a Spider, so I made one.
So I made one.
Yeah.
Same seller had the really nice Fetro Rosina that sold
just a couple days before that.
Interesting.
Red with a brown interior.
Wow.
I haven't seen a Lamborghini 350 or 400 GT live in motion.
Trying to think the last time.
I can't remember.
30 years ago.
I mean, I haven't seen it.
When do you see that car anywhere ever?
There's not very many of them.
I've always liked them.
They're weird.
But I've always liked them.
He always said he liked those.
I don't know why I got to ask him.
But those are cool.
That one's very fire engine red.
It is.
It's very bright.
Very red.
Is that touring?
Who's the body on those?
I don't remember.
Something like that.
One of those three.
They're strange-looking cars, but I like them.
Is this our first Chiquitra Rennsport?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know the answer.
I saw that when live today.
That'll be live when this...
Yeah, it should still be live.
It should still be live.
Barely.
Shout out to Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
That guy's an absolute beauty.
Sorry we missed on your Ford GT today.
That was a cool car, though.
Same chassis number as his race number.
I actually loved that car.
It was so plain.
That's how I like them.
That R&M'd?
R&M'd.
760, 770.
What if you had one of those cars?
What if you had a new Ford GT?
Howard?
I mean, they're starting to get kind of interesting
in kind of the 7-ish range.
What, are they going to keep going down?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Those cars...
They're a little cheaper than they were for a while.
You've expressed your...
You like those, Howard, quite a bit.
I do.
That was hard to understand.
They're hard to outside right now.
I mean, those are crazy.
Or is his a crazy, like, LM spec?
No, it's just a street car.
Just a Stripper Ford GT.
Base one of one.
It's actually...
It's like about my favorite one ever.
Super simple nose stripes.
That was parked outside.
PTS white?
They are.
It's very PTS.
Refrigerator white.
Man, I've sat in one of those.
I've never driven one.
I sat in one with the like,
bare carbon paint scheme.
Man.
But we are 2 for 2 on DS-19 Chaperone cab.
Oh, I saw that's old today.
Like, Carl Autowork.
We saw another one last week.
Those are very cool.
Slam dunk on the second one, right?
You'll see more of those submitted, I bet.
Yeah, they're coming.
I don't know how many Carl was made, but it is too.
Is that another...
Man, you're just listing off all the convertible conversions.
Any other shop tops?
That's the theme of this episode.
Yeah, I was going to say, we got any more of those?
GT350 convertible.
I bought a great 65.
Brought out the chainsaw.
Oh, no.
Don't do that to me.
They made six of those or whatever, right?
Shelby made them for gifts to people.
I actually didn't know that.
The run.
In 66.
And they had your alloys on them, dude.
That convertible rocker stripe, no stripe over the top,
I don't think.
Convertible 66 GT350 convertibles.
We were talking when we first...
That's a hard no.
Well, we for a total, I kind of agree with the 6566s,
but either right when we hit recorder,
right before we were talking about velocity,
and we had a Pring and Trailer alumni gathering,
and I believe the first velocity event at Sonoma,
certainly one of the first ones,
when you had the Gullwing there, Randy.
19, that was the first one.
Yeah, inaugural.
And there was that gold 67 or 68 GT350 convertible,
which was an alumni, BAT alumni car.
Loved it when it was on the site, loved seeing it in person.
Are you a little...
Those have a roll bar on them?
They're...
I'm okay with those convertibles.
I think they're kind of funky and different.
I still go for a fastback, but I like those convertibles.
But at those were...
Yeah, that was some marketing focus group decided,
we need Shelby convertibles, so let's make them, right?
So they did it.
Let's get 500s.
Let's get automatic transmission.
350s, 500s, autos, AC on a convertible.
All the features.
Nakadux.
Load it up, baby.
Load her up.
I'm very into this Strat modified Nora Bronco,
Mexican 1000 race truck we got.
I don't know if...
Yeah.
Should I just mark that premium right now or...
That ought to be...
It's so good.
I was actually wondering why it wasn't premium.
You should probably should.
Is there all my go-over?
You know the guy selling it?
Yeah, absolutely.
I visited a shop up in Santa Rosa.
He actually is from Saratoga, my hometown,
but he moved up there and has a cool shop.
He has some great Fords.
We have a lot of funny Ford stuff in common,
but I'm trying as hard as I can to buy Bronco from that guy.
I don't know if it's going to be this one,
maybe some other one.
You don't want full comp, though, right?
I don't know.
What do I need?
Yeah.
I mean, I'd love to go run Nora, actually.
Anybody out there that wants to go run Nora together,
reach out.
I would love to run one or two of their different events
that they do, trying to figure out what rig to do it in.
Here's a funny Hurst adjacent story.
I was just on eBay and I bought some old four-wheeler magazines
from before I was born,
and they covered Baja 500 from like 69, 70, 71,
and they did a project where they built an FJ-40
for that event.
Anyway, I bought these magazines for no reason.
They're like five bucks each,
but they built stuff that is now what the Nora is.
So anyway, my true fantasy would be to go race an FJ-40 down there,
which is a terrible vehicle.
Did they keep a six on her?
They do a motorcycle?
They did a six in some of these,
but that's the whole SoCal inspiration for my truck
that I have, which is V8 Power.
They were swapping Corvette motors in
and going and running in Baja
to try to keep up with the Broncos that had V8 stock.
That dumpy six-cylinder Land Cruiser motor
to try to race that is a horrendous idea,
but they did it.
And anyway, buying some of those old paper magazines
where the inside is like newsprint grade.
It's not even like a glossy.
I'll bring them up here.
They're really...
I'd love to see them.
Those magazines are really cool,
and that was part of the Motor Trend Empire,
which now Hurst bought.
And so we technically are siblings with four-wheeler magazine,
which makes me so happy.
It's one of the few mags
that I actually subscribed to when I was a kid.
So anyway, those are very, very cool.
But that Bronco that we have listed is proven, raced, did well.
One in its class did cool different things.
And there's a couple awesome Bronco experts
that raced in and their BT users.
They've actually been on the podcast before.
The Bronco podcast we did and talked with them.
Did any of the Toyotas finish well?
Or like, is there an iconic one?
A million years ago or recently?
No, a million years ago.
Recently, there's a couple guys that run throwbacks,
but back in the day, they did okay.
But they, I mean, four leaf springs.
I mean, amazingly, Jeep CJs did pretty well back in the day.
Lankers are certainly never won it.
But...
And when I went down to the Mint 400 two years ago
to the start of the Mint 400,
there's like a retro class and a guy had an FJ-40.
Right.
Strip it out and put 33s in a V8 in it
and just see how far it'll go.
So cool.
Their entire race prep of some of those
is like putting KC lights.
Totally.
That's it.
Totally.
I don't think he's teaching anymore,
but one of my history professors at Cal Poly
right when I was fresh out of high school,
Dan Krieger, still friends with my parents,
he, I think he said it was $60.
He bought a World War II surplus Jeep
and then bought like three sets of spares,
like three rear ends and other motor,
all this stuff.
And they strapped it to the first one
and him and his brother,
when they were in their teens,
tried to drive it from the top of Baja
all the way to the bottom.
And they ended up using all the parts.
Not in the race, but just driving it.
No, just driving it.
This is like late 40s, maybe.
And I think they ended up using all the parts
by the time they got halfway down.
And they had to stop.
They broke somebody.
Because I think he said there weren't...
It was just 25 years ago, he told me this story.
There weren't really roads.
Like they were just kind of like figuring it out,
heading south.
Yep. There's a lot of frustration
when they actually paved the route.
It's like Pike's Peak.
There were people who were like,
don't do that.
And they did it.
And it changed the face of the race forever.
I would have loved to have been at the table
when Strop was talking to Parnelli Jones,
being like, we're going to build this car for you, dude.
You're going to come run it.
You're going to win this thing for me.
And he was like, all right.
He's like, all right.
Okay, I'll do it.
He was definitely in.
Amazing.
They were go.
They were all go back then.
You've gone to see some of the race or no?
Which race?
The Baja races.
No, I did La Carrera.
That was my only stuff down there,
spectating not racing.
But I went to the Mint 400 out of Vegas,
the ones that used to run out of Del Webb or who?
Those are big loops though, aren't they?
Yeah.
They run loops out of Vegas over across state line.
And with like some dry lake components,
right?
Like high speed across lakes or is it all dirt?
It's pretty high speed, but it's not flat.
It's bumpy.
Bike still?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I thought.
Different classes.
That still happens?
The Mint 400?
That's dead.
Mint 400 was resuscitated.
It's back.
Let's go run that, Alex.
Arguably the best name for a race in Paul Town.
Well, the Mint was the name of the Casino.
Casino that sponsored it.
And then which, anyway, all of that stuff is so cool.
I don't know if you know this or have read the book,
but that's the main thing that Hunter S. Thompson's doing
in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
He's there to cover the Mint 400.
He's there to cover the Mint.
Literally just finished three days ago.
Yes, that's right.
Tonapah.
Love Tonapah.
Oh, Tonapah.
So great.
They run the trucks down the Strip.
I mean, the whole thing still happens.
It's really cool.
It's kind of a retrospective now,
but there's the modern group and the vintage group
and the bike group.
Off-road racing is still sort of wild west
in a lot of ways.
It's really fun.
Sick.
So anyway, we have that Bronco,
and there's some other off-road stuff
that we've had go through recently,
but we've had some pretty wild stuff on the site.
The champagne colored singer that's on the site
with our local partner in San Diego.
That's actually, I'm not usually drawn to singers,
but that's a pretty killer car.
Did you by chance see the kind of rough,
but driver, A-Code 289?
The one with the contrasting colored vendor?
Of course, I saw that car.
It's a 289.
It's a three-speed GT.
I was skeptical.
Did they put a three-speed in the GT?
We broke down all the stuff.
I was immediately like,
uh-oh, what are we going to get in our trouble?
GT's hard to trace.
This is a 65 or 6.
65 GT.
A-Code fastback in three-speed,
but with a three-speed on the floor,
and a 289, A-Code four-barrel, 225 horse.
Look at you guys in with the R-Code,
VIN, and stamped into the fender.
People get crazy about these,
so we got to take care of it.
I actually kind of like it.
I don't really want a three-speed.
It's a little thrashed.
It's a little patina for me,
but give me a paint job on that car,
and I would like it quite a bit.
Yeah, anyway.
Cool car.
I'm watching all kinds of weird stuff.
Yeah, man.
I don't need another thing.
I'm acquiring projects at rapid pace.
I know you are.
I don't know when we're talking about that on the pod,
but yeah, that's crazy.
We've got a 3,000-mile NSXT on the sleigh.
It's one of those ones where the dealer buys it, right?
So it's like sitting on the dealer floor still,
and has been sitting on there since it was new.
Oh, yes, it's back.
We have a 426 Hemi, 66 Georgia.
We have an NSXR.
Oh, yeah, that one's very solid.
I'm falling so much weird stuff.
We've got a Volkswagen multi-van blue star,
which is like I want in a parking lot.
School me on that.
I don't know what that is.
It's just that I think it was called a carot in the US.
It's a van again.
It's a van again,
but it has a Renault five-spokes on it,
like an AMG car.
It's a 91 anyway.
Whoa, it came with those?
I don't know that it came with those,
but it has them now.
Blue star.
It's fantastic.
Nice.
70 Hemi Kuda we sold recently.
I don't know if you guys chatted about that.
That was one of my more favorite muscle cars we've ever had.
Did not.
That was cool.
Like vanishing points.
We have car.
Yeah.
Green Hemi Kuda did superb.
Oh, it's green.
Green's even better.
Anyway, there's so much crazy good stuff.
Oh my God, I typed in 70 Kuda,
and we've got a drag car 70 dragster roller.
Oh, this one, Howard?
I was not looking to buy,
but I was looking at teabirds, first gen teabirds.
And I was like, maybe I can look in some BET history
and figure these out.
I pull up the model page,
and there's like five of them live right now.
And I was like, what?
I was, I just wanted to look at the fin shape
or some weird thing.
I was going down a rabbit hole on those.
This, oh, well, there's one with a coyote in it.
There's one with like a four valve Cobra motor in it.
What?
And then there's some stock ones.
And I was totally blown away
at how much depth there was live at the same time.
I was like, Howard, I was thinking,
maybe there was one on the site,
and there was like a handful.
There was presently six, 50,000, 57 listed, which is crazy.
Here's a stat for you.
There are currently five Cobra replicas live.
Oh gosh.
How many Cobra replicas do you think we've listed?
Oh my gosh, have we hit a thousand yet?
What's your guess?
Shall be Cobra replicas?
Yeah, of all kinds.
It's over a thousand.
I'm going to say 920.
You guys are so good.
That could guess way less.
11, almost 1200.
Wow, 1200.
Isn't that amazing?
There's two pumping them out though.
I mean, the factory is live today.
But it's one of those graphs where it's just,
there's so many results on it.
Wow, that's a lot, man.
That's the good news and the bad news.
I'll be honest about that, right?
I mean, those cars are awesome and yet crazy.
Some Cobra reps are really, really awesome,
and some Cobra reps are not as awesome.
They're fine.
I just, I really like 55 through seven T-Birds.
So I'm looking at that page.
Yeah.
Isn't that, man, I can spend some time looking there.
You don't want to be a back and forth on which year I want.
You don't want to be a back draft dealer.
They're looking for, they're looking for franchisees.
Open point for back drafts.
Yeah. Is there a Bay Area point available now selling franchises?
You can buy into the franchise.
You know the, you know the Done Spencer T-Bird, right?
The one that he built the black.
Actually, wasn't either that car or the clone of it on the Miele one year,
the black hardtop gold Hallibrands 50?
Yes. Our buddy Kenny Eppsman, who's a local.
Little Kenny Eppsman rapper, because he have that bird.
I think that's what you're talking about.
He has that sick black T-Bird with the Hallibrands.
Somebody has the real one and there's a very,
Very fairing.
Correct. And then there's a very,
well, it has a hardtop on it always.
I don't know if there's a fairing underneath.
I thought it was a stretch too, or is it a stock one?
It's heavily customized by Done Spencer,
who built the famous 32.
I'm not going to say the same, but Eppsman T-Bird is like one of the.
Somebody's got an excellent clone of it in the Bay Area,
and somebody has the real one too.
I don't know who.
I think it was in the Central Valley at one point.
But you know where Done Spencer lived?
He built the famous 32 Ford Highboy,
that is kind of the model for those black with the V windshield.
He lived in Cayucas, where you went on the Miele,
which is a cool little beach town north of Morro Bay,
close to Hearst Castle, speaking of tie-ins.
Yeah, for sure.
Good stuff.
This hemicuda is extremely good.
It's a good one.
It is.
I love it when the second inline image is a sick historical picture.
That's like one of my favorite things.
It should be the first image, but I'll take second.
We do the best we can.
We want to, we got to be careful.
Scare people.
We got to be careful.
Scare people with the lead image.
The vert of one of those used to be like a million plus dollar car.
I don't know, it may still be.
That was like one of the muscle cars, right?
Anyway, great stuff.
Anything else we should mention, guys?
Well done, Alex.
Here we are.
We didn't think we had anything to talk about.
Now we're 15 cupboards on good ground.
I'm just fielding a text that is my nightmare.
It's probably yours as well.
I got the Audi in for service right now.
The guy's texting me actively.
Where is the wheel lock key?
Oh, no.
It's on eBay.
No.
Where is it?
And I have no idea what to tell him right now.
What do I text him back?
Love box.
Obviously, they check there.
Ashtray.
Obviously, they check there.
Do you know where?
I have no idea where it is.
It has to be with the car, though.
I mean, nobody pulls it out of the car
and puts it in their workbench.
Well, a lot of times.
That's a terrible idea.
You've got to keep it with the car.
Because if you get a flat on the side of the road,
what is it going to be at home?
Yeah, I know.
It's got to be in the car.
Love box, center console, in the back with the tool kit.
Those are the three.
Where?
Oh, side pockets?
Does the doors have side pockets?
Yeah, but it's not in there.
It'd be rattling around.
Where is it?
Where is it, Alex?
I don't know where it is.
I don't know.
Oh, man.
What do I say?
Okay, I don't know what to say.
Okay, well, that's a good place to end.
Randy's got to go deal with the situation.
A treat, as always.
Should we do Smoky and the Bandit?
I want to get you guys on record.
I want to do it so bad.
How long do you hear, Howard?
I'm here.
I'm ready to do it.
You don't have to work hard to get me to watch the movie,
but do we need to record at some point?
We do.
I would love to do it next week, if you guys can.
Talk about Smoky and the Bandit.
Six point six leaders, let's go.
I did a little bit of research.
There's some interesting stuff about the cars
and the motor sizes and which years.
There's some interesting research
that I've already done on that.
So we have a lot to talk about there.
Plus, you can just have the viewing pleasure
of watching Smoky and the Bandit.
Burt.
Burt.
The man.
There's some great VAT tie-ins, too,
because we've had numerous X Reynolds vehicles on the side.
Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, yes, indeed.
Well, thanks, guys.
Always a pleasure.
Thanks as always to everyone for listening.
Feedback questions, concerns to podcast at bringitrailer.com.
We will catch you next time.
Adios.
About this episode
The hosts bounce from Porsche track-school chatter and PTS paint jokes into a wide-ranging tour of enthusiast events, from Bicester Scramble and Ferrari Club gatherings to Copper State and the Mint 400. Along the way they compare Enzos, 288 GTOs, 308s, Uruses, and GT3s, then dig into quirky customs and conversions like chop-top builds, Zagato-bodied Giuliettas, and a Stripper Ford GT. The episode keeps circling back to how rare specs, event culture, and oddball builds shape what collectors notice.
This week Alex is joined by Randy and the elusive, bi-coastal Howard to talk about exciting times for Central California Porschephiles, whether stock colors are now more interesting than PTS, and Enzo vs. 288 GTO. They relive the recent Cold Start event in San Francisco before settling into a detailed breakdown of our recent experience at the Bicester Scramble in the UK, including the joys of the British event car park and the incredible Bicester Motion facility, a historic RAF base that was restored as a collection of automotive-themed businesses. They pause to give respect to the folks pedaling vintage Jags at the Goodwood Members' Meeting, then Howard describes driving the family's Zagato-bodied Alfa as one of the long list of impressive entries in the four-day, thousand-mile Cal Mille.
Finally, they talk about the need for "difficult" marque experts on BaT and move on to their favorite recent listings on the site, a suddenly topless Lamborghini, a tempting call to co-drive at the NORRA, appreciation for the resuscitated Mint 400, burly first-gen T-birds, and a pressing mystery surrounding a missing wheel lock key.
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