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Hey, it's that car show live from the LA Auto Show in Los Angeles.
That's right. LA. It could be the Louisiana car show, right?
That's right. That's a little different.
So we're clear it is the Los Angeles Auto Show.
Yeah, we're in a locked room in the media center, but the walls only go up
about two thirds of the way so everyone else can hear what we're doing here.
We're having a good time. So it's me, Dan had to get back to the museum. So
Lindsay's here, Michael Asaso, our fifth Beatle, our fourth that car show guys
here and friend of the show, Jorge Aquino of Tormenting Tarmac.
Hey, kids. It's good to see you. It's like we have a sound engineered in that.
I like this, you know. So that's the nicest compliment you could give me
because Lord knows I have been doing my best to try and figure the fuck out
sound. But thank you for having me.
You don't swear on that car show. Sorry.
Where was that 45 seconds? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, kids.
Well, it's been a fun day. We just got done with some box lunches.
I got in the most exciting part.
What did you have around the table here?
I had a Tuscan chicken sandwich and some salt and vinegar chips with a delicious
chocolate chip cookie. And now I'm camping it off with a truly delightful latte,
which is actually giving me life.
And that's one of the one of my favorite parts about media day is all of the treats
like scattered throughout the convention center.
Yeah, they know what they're doing. You've got a Sheffield watch on, too.
I do have a Sheffield watch on.
What Sheffield do you have on?
I have the Bright Pink GT.
How many Sheffields do you have?
I think I have nine at this point.
Really? I have quite a collection and I am dedicated to the brand and I love them
so much. But I think we would be remiss if we didn't mention our impromptu
picnic lunch in the back of a beautiful Dodge Cargo van.
You know, thank you to Stellantis and Jeep for the wonderful box lunches.
But yeah, we managed to find a little picnic spot and had our own little tailgate.
But nothing good happens in the back of a white van, right?
I felt like we were up to something nefarious, you know, turn off load,
you know, Chinese speakers or something, you know.
For the record, all the doors were open so that I want to make sure that no one
thinks that, you know.
Anything untoward is happening.
Or we were planning anything other than just a meal.
Right, a jewel heist.
That's right. Those are in again.
I don't know if you've noticed.
Again, for the note, the van was white with zero windows.
Speaking of that jewel heist, our buddy, RJ Mont, who works
from Mercedes Trucks in Japan, he was very proud.
He saw the footage.
He said, that's one of our trucks that they used.
And apparently the company that made the lift would have actually put it in an ad
immediately after they talk about like viral marketing and all that.
So the company made the boom or whatever that was on the truck.
Yes, I heard that they had capitalized on the robbery of the lube and they were like,
well, we're here now.
Like we may as well capitalize on it.
Yeah, yeah.
Did they actually do the heist?
And then it was just all a giant ruse.
And so they just could all just be viral marketing.
Can you imagine that marketing meeting?
They're like, all right, just bear with me.
Let me go through the whole plan before you share an opinion.
Like, so the lube.
They were all the blue and white blueprints.
And you know, very much like an 80s heist movie.
You know how we always talk about how our booms are super agile and quick.
We've thought of a very unique way to demonstrate that and get the world's attention.
Yeah.
So you guys want to hear something funny yesterday on my way in.
So date of recording today is the 20th.
Yesterday would have been the 19th.
So I'm driving in to LA from Phoenix.
And so shout out to Zach Clapman of the Smokey Tire.
He went ahead and released his second episode of this driver's test and whatnot.
And so one of the questions that he's asking had to do with the first car that had been
debuted at the Louvre.
Mind you, this was hours prior to the Louvre being robbed that same day.
And he had no idea.
And it was hilarious.
And I was like, that's perfect.
Additionally, that week I can't stress enough how much things happen in the world
that to me came straight out of a freaking movie.
Like unbelievable.
It was the Louvre being robbed.
And then the FBI getting the NBA players on the gambling thing and stuff like that.
I was like, same week.
I was like, yo, movie scripts are going to be on fire these next two weeks.
How are you?
Like it's going to be insane.
They say they take inspiration from real events, right?
There you go.
I was like, George Clooney, are you listening for Ocean's 14, bro?
Ocean's 17 and a half.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whenever we get together, I feel like we're like scheming, right?
Yeah.
It's like summer camp whenever we get together.
I know.
I feel like we're up to, you know, especially in the back of a white van, you know.
I was not part of that white van.
I wanted to make that very clear.
But to be fair, Ryan was calling him and saying,
hey, we're over by the back of the white van.
He did.
Come here, little kid.
I have a child.
I have candy.
That's when you just write free candy on the other side like that.
Yeah, that's.
This is the last time we'll be coming to the LA Auto Show after this hits the airwaves.
Well, at least at least Lindsay got a chance to go ahead and enjoy salt and vinegar chips.
That's right.
So if you hear crunching.
That's what matters.
The cookies.
They always have good cookies.
I know they really do.
Last year they had these, we've been talking about them ever since,
these frosted cookies that had the LA Auto Show in the frosting.
The logo didn't have those this year, but they have some fantastic lemon cookies.
But in any case, we all got in late last night except for Mr. LaSasa who lives here.
Jorge's in for Phoenix.
I'm in for Denver and Lindsay came down from Seattle.
And Jorge was kind enough to pick me up in the legend that is the 2017.
Kia Sorento from LAX.
We're sharing a room at the Fairfield Inn.
And where are we?
Rosemead LA.
And Rosemead East LA.
California.
I looked on the map and it was like East LA.
Yeah.
So we got there as pleasantly surprised.
It was very nice.
So Ryan, Ryan looked at me.
He's like, well, well chosen sir.
And I'm like, thank you because I was really freaking the hell out for about two seconds.
The shower is the most powerful flow of any like quite the opposite of most hotels.
You go and you can't get any soap.
But here this thing was like a firehouse.
I thought I blew up my eardrum.
Yeah, it was a full on powerful experience.
So you know what I'm going to say?
Do you know when you're like in a hot tub and you all of a sudden get like at the power,
like the jets, it was like that.
Like the train couldn't keep up.
Honestly, it really couldn't.
And like it was probably with someone else's hair.
But that was a sink.
Details.
Minor details.
Like my hair was like so pressed down so fast.
I was like, wow.
Now I know what it feels like to go ahead and be someone who doesn't have crazy curly hair.
Like I do.
We should say this is the first time I've actually met Horsey in person,
known the guy for like three years.
True.
He does have a tremendous head of curly locks.
Thank you.
Tremendous.
I for one am envious.
But we should backtrack.
So we got in last night.
We went met Dan from the shows who's back at the museum now,
but we got a quick tour at the Peterson's.
Oh, the new acid exhibit is fire.
It is.
It really is.
It's fantastic.
And yeah, posted a reel.
And you take you down on the ball.
No, we didn't have enough time.
We didn't have enough time.
We had to go in there and literally, we'll get into that.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
I was always, I'm always disappointed when I walk in there and the Myers-Makes
cafe is closed.
That's always a highlight.
I know because the food is legitimately good.
Yeah, it actually is.
But it was better than the Aston Martin exhibit.
The Laforza parked out in front.
Do you all know what a Laforza is?
I don't.
Right.
It was geeking.
So when you were a kid, all of us, we did this.
Maybe not you because you're young.
But the three of us, I know, Lindsey, you're also young.
But I'm just pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.
We used to pour over these magazines.
Yes.
And like Rob report, DuPont registry or whatever.
And they would always have these cars that like the G-Wagon before they imported them
to the States, right?
They came to this place in New Mexico called Europa, right?
But another sort of just weird vehicle of the time was this thing called Laforza,
which I think is built on a Neveco truck, Jesse.
But then it's what's a big thing.
It's like a Tahoe size vehicle, but it's, you know, it's Italian.
So it's got like that Maserati tufted leather, the dash clock, that kind of thing.
And I don't know if I've ever seen one in the flesh in my life.
And sure enough, there's one parked in front of the museum.
Just like the day it rolled off the factory.
Oh, wow.
Floor.
But you know what drives that?
I don't know.
The five liter Ford.
That's right.
They had a supercharged version even, didn't they?
So they couldn't obviously develop their own powertrains.
And this is, you know, mid late 80s.
So it was just your run of the mill for GT five liter.
It may have had the old school Cobra GT manifold on it.
But it's literally like people that have owned them, at least a couple of people I've known
in LA that either worked on them or, you know, dealt with them.
Yeah.
And you're like, they'll run forever because it's pretty much a Ford.
And a lot of the, even the suspension piece, you know, there's a switch gear.
It's it's old 90s Ford stuff.
The rest of it's going to fall apart because it's made in Italy.
And it's going to rust and it's going to do all the other things.
You know, the windshields are impossible to get, etc, etc.
But the drivetrain, you could go from here to the moon on.
I was more excited to see that than, you know, like all the stuff in the museum.
The 177 or whatever.
But the other interesting thing about that is it looks like a lot of Neva,
but that someone sort of like left like to soak too long, like a swallow.
It's just it's it's an odd thing.
But I just hadn't thought about that.
Old and you can't do anything.
A little bit of a little too much salt the night before.
I'd be curious where they found that one because they're getting hard because,
again, they rust out.
They were hard to find.
You see them occasionally on LA and they're usually in, you know,
general disrepair not just because they just everything rust.
You can't get seals again.
You know, but that one was BMW had a at a design event at the at the Peterson last week.
And and I saw it there, you know, saw the fours and I'm like, yeah,
seems like really, really well maintained.
Like who who took care of this?
Oh, it's not part of the museum's permanent collection, I don't believe.
How many they made originally?
Like obviously not many.
I mean, there is Google, but we're not going to use it.
Or or give them a shot at the day off.
You mean we're not going to use a TCS research department?
That's right.
Is that it?
Is that over at the museum right here at the moment?
We gave them the day off because we were going to be at the show.
So yeah, well, it was it was pretty great to see.
And then we headed over to the Alfa Mayo event.
Is that where you're going to go, Michael?
No, no, Roku, I just want to say we are missing the point of like,
that's why you go to museums, right?
Honestly, like you get to see the thing you never thought you'd see.
And in whether it's the unobtainable, like if, you know,
they have a McLaren F1 there and they do have the the what is the new Gordon Murray?
Oh, the S1.
Oh, the McMurphy?
No, the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren?
No, no, the Gordon Murray, the new S1 that looks the basically the 2020,
the current version of what looks like a McLaren F1.
Right, that doesn't have a drivetrain.
And you stick the steering wheel in the in the back end to steer it around.
Which is lovely.
That's you haven't seen that.
So the drivetrain doesn't work.
So what they do is there's a there's a small little keyhole in the in the little back panel.
And so you put it in there and it'll help you maneuver the car for display purposes.
So you can like drive from the back.
But where I'm going with this looks like a cat's ass at the right angle.
But going to a museum, any museum or cars, whatever, you get a chance to see that thing
that's either inspiring or you've never seen before.
Or, you know, it's just kind of an odd ball.
You're right.
And that's what's beautiful about that place.
Again, needless to say, there's probably never going to be able to force a retrospective
in the way that there was the Martin.
Well, I think that could be our first event.
I think we need to plan like sponsored by that car show.
Yeah.
The the inobtanium event.
Yeah.
That's a great idea.
That's how Ryan gets into that.
That's a theme.
That's a theme for a collection.
Like we always talk about like what would your theme be?
Yeah.
Jumped like the unexpected manual collection or like we saw the white collection.
And then I think Hagerty just auctioned the auto blog.
This is for you guys.
Whenever you decide to go ahead and make Ryan Barkey your respective editor-in-chief,
you just get ready for a Laforza collection coming out of straight out of Denver, Colorado.
Laforza is just 24-7.
So if you if you build that collection on a Laforza, then like what comes after?
Oh, you're you're that's easy.
You're looking at a McCour XK-R1 or whatever that was.
XK-4TI.
XK-4TI.
Which was really just a sterling.
Back when the member.
A sterling 827.
Four door sterlings.
Um, you you can mean yes, you can do an LMMO too because you don't see that many.
Just because those are like Ken Steve.
Yeah, the jewel of the collection.
Uh, you know, you can do it.
Also one at the Peterson.
You can do a G500 cab.
Shout out to Doug Merrow.
Yeah, yeah.
I've always had a thing for those.
And Kendall Jenner.
And Isso Grifo.
One of those.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Not too many of those.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, you know what?
Shout out to the Azuzu Trooper.
Or the, you know, remember the Viacraw.
That's the Azuzu Viacraw.
Which you still can find.
But the trick will be they cannot come in unless it's the Iron Man edition.
So what else goes in this museum of misfit cars?
I think Michael had a good idea.
Well, yeah, yeah.
You have the Nissan Murano cross something.
Oh, yeah.
That cabriolet.
Cabriolet.
That cabriolet.
You got to have a Ugo.
Which I did when I was in Boulder working at a tire store.
That was our parts runner.
Yeah.
Nice.
Bulletproof.
Really?
I kid you not.
That's what I've heard.
Like the whole car's falling apart.
Except for the cardboard doors.
Yeah, the doors are going to fall apart.
The hood's going to flap up.
But they're like, we drove the heck out of that car.
But abused it.
It didn't.
Like the Ugo actually held up and they're coming back.
Nice.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah.
I'm here at LA right now.
But there was, and it wasn't, this is pre-AI generated craziness.
But yeah.
No, I've heard that they're really good.
And the trouble is you can't find parts.
It's not the cars themselves necessarily.
It's maintaining them.
They mean they rust out like Swiss cheese, but they run.
Huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's a great idea, Peterson Museum.
I wish we knew someone there who could maybe make that.
The forgotten.
We'll have to work on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, we got, we mentioned the Alfa Romeo gathering last night,
which is a lot of fun.
So that was with our friends, Hagerty Garage and Social up in Van Nijs.
And yeah, 8C.
Speaking of cars you never see, the Alpha 8C.
Do you like that car?
I feel like, I love that.
I want to be careful how I say this.
I know it's built on a 360, right?
A Ferrari 360, I think it is.
Is it because it's from engine?
Oh, no.
So what would that be?
What is that about that?
It's built on a.
The average person who's really not paying attention as it's going down the road,
tell the difference between an 8C and a 4C.
Yes.
100%.
It's about twice the size.
No, but that's my point though.
If you don't know anything, they kind of look like similar cars.
I mean, it's a more beautiful car than the 4C.
So I'm glad that you mentioned that because I know,
I went to their party and now I'm going to go ahead and shit on them.
I've never thought that the AC is that good looking of a car.
I think it's kind of overrated personally.
That's just me.
I love it.
I'm a sucker for those alpha wheels with the circular cutouts, you know.
The phone dial type.
The phone dial, yeah.
Yeah, for those of us of a certain age who remember the weathering phones.
Yeah, I dig that thing.
Essentially, it was, I think, to release a car that was released two years ago,
but the 33 Stradale, which I think is built on another car.
I think the Maserati MC12.
But hell of a thing to look at.
It was gorgeous because a lot of the people there brought their own alphas.
You know, it was just, it was fun.
It's a nice space and ran into some friends, friends of the show.
It was a good time.
That's always fun.
And it's always nice.
I mean, we were talking earlier about how much we love the Julias.
And like, definitely would both add, we would each add one to our garages.
Like should the opportunity present itself?
I think so.
I think that, you know, that's a car that they just,
some of those cars, they don't make anymore, but they did.
Right.
Well, and like I always go back to, I had, like, I knew at least two
automotive journalists in LA that had them as their primary cars.
And I always say, like, that's such a metric where
they get to drive so many cars all the time.
So if it's a car they're willing to commit to for their lives, you know,
and their daily lives, that says a lot about the car.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I've heard the same thing about GT4s.
Michael, when are you going to get a GT4?
Or, hey, what's, what's brood?
Hard pass on the GT4.
Somebody needs to go ahead and sponsor the shit out of Torbundi Tarmac.
Let me tell you that right now.
One of the things people have talked about, especially post COVID was,
you know, the death of the auto show, right?
The auto show is going away.
And with that, you saw the loss of the events, external events.
It's nice this year, especially to see the events that are going on,
Scouts here, you know, Slate is doing something like,
not only are they showing up, but they're also doing the external stuff,
which costs money, which brings people in.
And so maybe there's a hope that the auto show isn't dead for,
for not just us in having, you know, our dreams met,
but for the young people coming in,
they're going to do family time here this weekend and for the,
you know, over Thanksgiving, whatever.
So, you know, what is old is new again.
And hopefully auto shows are not one of those things that go the way the dodo.
Yeah. Well, not to go ahead and do a free plug for you guys,
but I'm guessing on your podcast, so I'm happy to do it for you.
But you guys had a fantastic interview a few weeks ago with Andy.
I'm forgetting.
Steinhauser.
Of the auto show.
Of the auto show.
Obviously, you know, he spoke so highly of wanting to go ahead and bring that
prestige back.
And it's funny, I didn't know what exactly to go ahead and expect
when I came in this morning and went, I had an idea.
This is your first auto show.
Yeah, I was supposed to be here last year with you guys.
Right.
Well, we already know the story behind that.
By point being is, you know, Ryan and I got a chance to go ahead and come
yesterday as they were setting up, because we went to go ahead and,
shout out to my friend, Callie Maldivon, who you got a chance to meet yesterday.
She's working with a pure PPF here in the LA OC area.
So I have a stand downstairs, which we're hopefully going to get a check,
chance to get a check out later.
And she brought a couple of the cars.
And Ryan and I are looking around in the setup.
Like it was way different than, than was up here where we are with,
you know, the, the, the manufacturers underground, the underground and the
underground was sick as hell, man.
Like we saw the low riders and stuff like that.
That was so cool that we saw a Ferrari F8 in this ridiculous like spec,
yellow with the blue roof, with the blue seats, with the blue wheels.
It wasn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That full on University of Michigan spec, like that's what that was.
Well, now I can't done see that.
But it was though, it really much was.
And so like, I didn't, when I came in this morning and I,
they looked in and we went through the convention center and whatnot and took
us 19 hours to find Lindsay, Dan and Michael.
But it was really, really cool to go ahead and walk in and be like, oh man,
yeah, this layout is kind of rad because it's not like anything else that you go to.
And again, maybe it's because it's media day, but I do find the vibe.
Lindsay, you and I were talking about this earlier when we come in over here and whatnot.
I got this vibe of like, yeah, it's business, yeah, it's LA, but there's a vibrancy to it.
And I really, really liked that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's nice.
I mean, it's always nice to come to media day because there are like,
there are the nice little touches with the coffee stands and the refreshments and all that stuff.
And you have a good concentration of the automotive media, both from LA, but also
people travel like yourself and internationally.
Yep.
Yeah.
And it's, you know, and it's there, there's an excitement even if auto shows are on,
like they've been on a downswing in terms of like manufacturers coming to them.
There are still reveals, like we got to see the Kia Telluride reveal today, the new one.
You know, and so there's still excitement and, you know, and it's,
I remember coming to the auto show as a child with my grandfather and then,
you know, when I was in college, that was a thing to do with my friends.
And it's still, it's one of the great ways to get up close to these cars.
And that's, you know, for car people, that's mecca.
Yeah.
I think it seems very vibrant.
Well, but LA specifically, I don't know where it started,
but they scheduled this around Thanksgiving for families for many, many years.
I mean, I don't know for, since the beginning, I don't, I can't speak to that,
but it's always been something that some families do pre Thanksgiving, post Thanksgiving as,
you know, as a.
It's a family tradition, like Thanksgiving weekend.
That's one of the things you do because it's a long weekend and it's fun.
And, and I, you know, at least in the past, when people would come,
when they were shopping for a car and most of the manufacturers were here,
it was a low stress way to check the cars out with your whole family.
And like, especially if you have kids like that can be really stressful to go to a dealer lot,
you feel kind of pressed.
And this was a way to explore and they wanted you to get up close
and climb all over the cars and check them out.
And you can still do that.
It's just not as many manufacturers right now, but like you said, Michael,
I think that maybe, maybe that's going to keep growing.
Hopefully.
They're only a handful of emissions, right?
That, you know, I saw, but.
I think the list is bigger this year.
Yeah.
I think for Ford.
Ford?
Ford's not.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
We just haven't.
And I heard that their, I heard their booth is fantastic.
So we need to go check that out after that.
All right.
We'll go check that out.
Is there anything in particular that impressed you guys like really?
Because you obviously, you just mentioned Kia.
I feel like the Hyundai Genesis area was actually,
they had some great stuff over there.
Yeah.
They had the, is the magma, the orange car.
Yeah.
They had a new magma.
The reveal today.
I mean, that's a fantastic name.
Can we just like.
Yeah.
It is.
It just has been you had before by like Mustang or something.
Magma.
The Mustang magma edition.
I know.
And then Hyundai had this like cool, like off, you know, I think Ryan,
you said that there was like a really big overlanding presence earlier
this morning and whatnot.
But which is cool because I also feel like that's just the vibe of the last couple
years.
Sure.
Everybody's doing overlanding stuff.
But Hyundai had this, right next to the Ioniq 6, they had this off-roading concept,
which now I'm blanking on the name, but it was really cool.
And I'm like, Hyundai, if you guys build this, like, God bless you, because you guys are
really taking it to a different level.
And it's, I told you this the other day, actually this morning when we were coming
in and I'm not just saying this because I own a Kia.
I'm not.
And trying to actually go.
Wait, you do?
What?
No, actually, and it was you and I who were having this conversation earlier this morning,
Michael.
It's his Tiguan.
No, but in all sincerity, for anybody who thinks to themselves Hyundai and Kia is one
of those brands that is still, you drive that, you don't know what you're talking
about anymore.
Because I think that they're better than half of the manufacturers out in the world
right now.
And I'm not just saying that because I actually happened to own one of the ones that is older.
So I'm talking about the new ones.
Like, yeah.
We drove, you weren't there, but we drove the, is it the, what is it?
The 6?
The, yeah.
The EV6.
The GT6.
EV, yeah.
Could've used a little more GT, but it was a great car.
It drove as well as any of the other EVs.
Really nice.
Yeah, so we got to, Michael and Ryan and I got to drive that this morning.
And it was, it caught my eye because the color is very similar to Maritime Blue,
the Porsche color, which is one of my favorite colors.
So I was already, you know, looking at it favorably before we got in.
And yeah, the interior was a really cool, like kind of cream and black, like,
which was very striking and it had, you know, nice interior lighting.
I thought the layout was very intuitive in the interior.
It was easy to adjust all the things that you need to adjust before you take off, obviously.
And I thought I had good pickup for what it's designed to do.
And Michael and I were remarking on how much cargo space there actually was.
So it would be actually functional cargo space.
And I know our vehicle host said he'd done some long road trips and it had been.
What was his name?
Shout out to him.
John.
I think he was the best vehicle host we've had.
John from Maine.
It was the last time you met someone from Maine.
Where is Maine again?
Is that a Canadian province?
Might as well be North American provinces.
North America?
No, well, Courtney brings up a really good point, though.
I think the thing that is missing in the world by and large,
and not trying to get political or anything, is there's a lot of color here.
Lindsay pointed out this blue on this on this Keo was a very attractive blue.
But when you go out into the world, you don't see those cars.
They have the Mustang GTD here, of course, and it's stunning.
But in the corner, they have a regular style.
It's probably a V6 Mustang in such a beautiful teal.
And I photographed it on my phone.
And I have a Samsung 24, so not the latest and greatest,
but you think you get these great images through the phone.
And honestly, it doesn't photograph as well as it looks in person.
And what's nice about what you're seeing,
or your point about what's going on is what impressed me personally,
is you're seeing color in cars again.
They're not just matte.
They're not fancy matte paint jobs.
They're not all just shades of black.
Oh, the blue on the IONIQ 6N was a straight gangster setup.
So those cars look so great.
It begs the question.
And obviously, yes, you want something to pop because you're an auto shopper.
But why are they not showing people that more?
I mean, you brought up the orange.
Like, get those into the hands of the customer
so that you still get lost in a parking garage
between the silver car, the black car, and the white car
at every mall and every shopping.
At every Disneyland parking lot, 100%.
Yeah.
Well, there was a, it's been reported on in the last couple of years,
like the decline in cars that are a color not white, silver, and black,
because the cost of the pigment went up so much
that the manufacturers just went volume-wise.
We can't do it.
And I think that's also why you've seen the rise
in charging for a color, the markup on that.
But you're right.
I mean, when you look back at, like, the 50s and 60s,
it was these super cool, like, teal and white,
or you had these amazing, you know, like, look at the...
We're seeing the two tones again, too, the combinations,
which is interesting.
Well, I mean, the ID buzz is an exception,
but unfortunately, they haven't sold as well.
But they are an example of color in the modern marketplace.
At least in LA, they're selling so poorly.
I don't know if it's still a deal,
but if you go and buy an ID buzz, they actually have an allotment,
a dealer-allowed allotment for you to wrap it.
They'll wrap it for you.
Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, what's showing up
are whites and blacks and silvers,
and people are like, I don't really love it enough to buy it.
And they're offering, at least there was,
I don't know if it's still the case,
they're offering you money.
You didn't get to take the money,
but they're like, we'll wrap it in any color you want.
Have to dealership.
I just have to say this.
I find it very convenient that you and Lindsay
are giving Troy more ammunition than he already needs.
Hi, Tori. What's up, brother?
That's for my guy.
Sweet, that's a sweet motherfucker.
Not just exteriors.
He's the sweetest. I love that guy.
I do, too.
I know, I'm sure you do.
Just call him Troy.
Yes, it's purposeful.
Oh, okay.
When we were on, he said something about Troy,
and then later, I congratulated him.
Like, was this other man?
Right, I'm like, do you think Tori's gonna get upset
when he was about Troy?
No, I hope he knows that I do and I don't love him now.
It's not just the exterior colors, too.
There's some really great colors and interiors.
Somehow, I guess we're starting to talk
about the trends of the show.
So that's what we'll call this section,
like what the things we're seeing.
Either the trends are more importantly,
what should be pushed out more to the public.
We'd like to see that.
Well, because I don't think people know about it, right?
You know, you walk on a lot and all you see is three colors,
and so if you need a car or you just want a car,
and that's what you buy.
Whereas, if you had options,
I think people would absorb more of these
if they even knew about them.
Sure, yeah.
But that Genesis, that blue, the dark.
What do you call that blue?
Talk about the dark blue and the deep blue.
No, it's sort of like a dusty metallic.
Well, almost a powder.
Yeah, I don't know what that was.
Yeah, that's right.
It's just like these.
And then silence.
That's something blue.
Just picture something blue.
There's a very nice blue.
It's a very pleasant blue.
Well, it's kind of like a dusty, metallic ocean water.
I mean, really pretty.
And I think, speaking of trends and color, actually,
we've seen a lot of blue interiors,
which is something I remember as a child,
the navy velour interior that Cadillacs from the 80s had,
which is just iconic, obviously.
But I think we went through a long period of time
where it was unusual to see a blue interior.
And we've seen at least four on the show floor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, and very, shout out to Genesis.
I think they're just killing it with some of their cars.
You mentioned the Hyundai's, the N-Spec cars look good.
Even the Nissan Leafs, the E-Bees, the Leafs,
whatever Michael was photographing,
you made the comment of like,
hey, they might be going broke,
but they still know how to spec a car.
I think it was a Nissan K or whatever that was.
Oh, the fluorescent yellow one, which was amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
Right in your face.
It's a color.
Well, when you're running out of money,
you have to be cheerful.
But yes, no disrespect to Nissan.
I love you.
I don't know.
I just think if people saw these cars out,
if, you know, listen, having worked at a dealer years ago
and understanding, you know, you've got to plan ahead
and you're planning for what people buy in your neck of the woods,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons not to buy colors.
But there was a time, a prime example is,
for a long time, Chevy dealers,
if you were a high enough volume Chevy dealer,
Chevy would sell you cars and trucks in any array of color,
like in a wide array of colors that you want,
as long as you want so many of them,
like a limited number, you know, a minimum number of them.
And call it what it is, is like,
it's bespoke without having to be bespoke.
And you're not just they could variety to people
and make it easy for people.
And it's just too easy to say people don't,
there's no uptake because they complain like manuals, right?
Everybody's like, there's not enough uptake on manuals
to do manual transmissions anymore.
The problem is, is that people either don't know
that there's a manual option,
or they just use that as a reason,
Lindsay, to your point about dollars and cents,
you know, because it's just,
Well, it's chicken on the chicken on the egg a little bit,
because obviously demand drives that too.
But you're right, like if you,
if you get to the point where that's all the,
all the people are offered is this,
you know, three neutral non-colors,
then if you do that long enough,
people start to forget.
But to your point, there was a Chevy truck
in the late 90s on the lot at the dealership
near where I grew up.
And it was a single cab, step side short bed.
And it had the most spectacular,
actually, I think Ryan used a word that I like, tremendous.
It was the most tremendous paint job.
And I don't know the story.
All I could guess was that it had been custom ordered,
but now knowing that the dealers could bring them in,
it was forest green and bubblegum pink with this amazing,
I mean, the stripes.
It was the most intricate design.
Like you're gutting a trope or something.
Yeah. I mean, the first time,
and it was prominently displayed on the lot,
and they had it for like a year sitting out there.
Oh, I bet they did.
Right. I know.
Amazing that there weren't,
people weren't clamoring for it.
But again, like I think about it regularly.
I mean, it was a tremendous paint job.
Tremendous is the...
Some hypocrisy real quick.
And I'm going to call out hypocrisy on my behalf,
but I'm also going to call it out on the behavior,
on the behalf of a multitude of enthusiasts.
I think that there are a lot of people, myself included,
who crap on manufacturers for choices they make.
And then the only people that can go ahead and make said changes
are to the extent the board of whatever manufacturer it can be,
but also the general public itself.
I think that enthusiasts and just people who like cars
to some extent need to do a better job of using their money better
in terms of buying what they say that they supposedly like.
You know what I'm saying?
And the reason I say that was...
It includes colors.
It includes colors. It also includes models.
Sure.
We had the pleasure of talking with Subaru earlier today.
We're fans of the STI.
You guys chose to go ahead and cut it out of the lineup.
Why? Because we thought that it sold really well.
It brings up to the point.
It's like everybody who complained about the STI,
myself included, being gone, could have done something about it
by maybe just buying the car.
Well, that's the thing.
If they were selling enough of them, the car would still be around.
You made a great point, though, too.
There's a math that we're not even privy to.
And for them to even be able to sell on the STI,
they have to sell, say, five foresters or whatever, right?
Carbon footprint.
Yes.
So the things that we don't even think about.
Subaru had a great display, as always.
Project Midnight is here.
Very excited about that.
Yellow WRX down there,
which I don't know if that's coming back,
if that was just a one-off or whatever.
That was great to see.
Not sure why that ever went away.
I would hope that if it came to the auto show,
then that means that it is a color that can be available for 2026.
I hadn't realized.
Well, but then you have, but you get a little worried sometimes,
because it seemed that they had the Yuzu edition Toyota GR86.
It's a fruit, I think.
It's a fruit, OK.
And it's stunning.
It's going into production, but it's a final edition,
and it's called the Yuzu edition.
OK.
It's really beautiful.
It's really beautiful, kind of yellowy, whatever.
But do you run into your point,
do we run into a situation where,
much like PTS on Porsche or whatever,
they just get ADM to death and stuck in a corner.
The uptake isn't there to your point,
because then it's either you have the money
to buy that special thing because it's one,
you know, all of the chargers and challengers
and the last calls that they did and all the crazy colors,
and someone's got the one-off, one-off, one-off, one,
and they never want to drive it,
and it sits in the corner, it collects dust,
or they want $50,000 over sticker for it.
And so just make them available.
Make as many as you can sell.
Sell them all.
I don't need a plaque on the dash.
Sell them all.
Make them all the colors of the rainbow.
And I think dealerships and manufacturers would be surprised
that people will want their product
if they make their product desirable,
and they make their product available.
Well, that is so, my God, your preachers are the choir, bro.
The biggest takeaways for me, though,
is I think manufacturers are taking chances.
You know, there were colors on forerunners.
Also, when did a forerunner become a $72,000 proposition?
It was bound to happen, bro.
I mean, my God, that's a TRD, I know,
but I see them everywhere in Denver.
And in my head, we were talking about this earlier, Michael,
I think there's still $40,000 vehicles in my head.
I've really haven't made $40,000 vehicles for like 20 years.
I'm sure they, I'm sure not.
The Memphis was five years ago, right?
Yeah, that's a lot of...
You're telling me.
It may be 2025, but we're living in 1995.
Welcome to the Nineties, yeah.
Hey, guys, I'm six years old again.
Some credit for the color thing with the Bronco
and some of the retro liveries and that thing too.
Maybe it all started with Porsche though,
and to your point, paint a sample and all that.
Does that mean Porsches are gonna go back
to black and silver now?
I don't know, you know, because...
I don't think we have to worry about that
if you look at the enthusiast community.
I mean, look at the number of people
that have a rainbow collection of their own.
It's true.
You know.
Did you see that there was a chart,
I think I passed around to the team a few weeks back
that showed the numbers of paint to sample cars
for Porsche over the years, right?
And how it's kind of cyclical, right?
Like early on, it was pretty popular,
and then it was not popular at all,
and then now it's blown up bigger than ever.
But it's...
I don't know.
I don't...
Maybe it's reflection of the times.
We need a little sunshine in our lives.
I don't know, but it's...
I think it's like anything.
You have trends, and like when it's new,
that's the new hot thing,
and then people kind of get oversaturated with it,
and, you know, it kind of goes back the other way.
And then once people get a breather from it,
they're like, hey, wait, there's all these amazing colors.
You know, Michael's point, like...
I think Porsche is a hard one to talk about,
because, you know, special wishes and all the stuff
that the average Porsche person,
even back in the 80s and 90s,
he didn't have access to or didn't know about.
And then now when you see some of the prices
for some of these colors,
because when you look at what...
Or at your point, where our enthusiasts
are putting their money,
especially in the secondary market,
you know, when you have that emerald yellow BMW,
or the, you know, the esterel blue BMW, you know, whatever.
Those are the cars that will demand...
Sometimes a multiple, but at least a 20, 30, 40, 50 percent premium,
if the conditions are the same, if the mileage is the same.
People will spend up for color in the secondary market.
So why wouldn't, again, back to Jorge's key point,
which I completely agree, put our money where our mouth is,
as far as if we want this to survive,
if we want these things...
It's your local restaurant, it's your local watering hole,
it's whatever.
If you don't go in there and spend your money,
they're not going to be around,
and then you can't come back and say,
oh, Jarn, I really loved you.
You know, Dave Barron.
Which you see all the time.
Yeah, you can't be shocked
when they go out of business.
Oh, where the hell have you been the last 20 years?
That's what all these restaurant owners say
when they're interviewed on the news, right?
Is they're, you know, closing up the shop last day, you know?
But it's absolutely the same mentality, you know?
Other takeaways from the auto show.
What do you see in like trends?
Like what's, what are they pushing?
What's...
Uh, you know, like this is a brief mention,
but there's a vintage Bronco across from the Kia stand,
and it's in an amazing teal color.
So that was really fun to see.
Lindsay talking about a Bronco.
Who would have thought?
I know, everybody can drink a Bronco.
One thing that was an amazing surprise,
and I think a good chunk of our audience
will be thrilled to hear this,
was when we went to the Volkswagen display.
And the Volkswagen bus that survived the town side's fire
was actually here.
Super sick.
It has been restored by Volkswagen.
We knew that was happening.
Yeah.
I think we were going to get to see it in person.
And it's like, what a joyful, you know, reappearance.
If you don't know, this is the iconic van
that somehow stayed pretty nice as the world, you know,
around it was engulfed.
So I mean, either that was, you know, one hell of a...
I think we've all seen that picture on social media.
Because especially it didn't hurt that the bus
is the tradition, like iconic vintage, you know,
bright turquoise with a white top.
Yes, yes.
So it stood out against the burned neighborhoods even more.
And then, and then...
Southern California, I mean, it just was,
it was a really sort of iconic shop.
So they have a giant copy of that picture blown up
on the poster, like on the display behind the bus.
And then the bus itself is here,
having been restored by Volkswagen.
So that was really cool.
That's obviously, that's a something old and burned,
is new again.
And we got to drive the Lucid Gravity.
Yeah.
Which, so last year, one of the things that has stuck
with me from last year's auto show was driving the Lucid Air.
The sedan.
Yeah.
And that was a car, that was one of the few cars I've gotten
and just, it was like, instantly fell in love with it.
Right at home.
It was just so delightful to drive and it felt intuitive
and very comfortable.
And so this year, we had the chance to drive the Gravity,
which is, I would have called it a minivan,
but they were calling it an SUV.
Yeah, I can't call it a minivan.
No, we can't.
That has no gravity.
Okay.
Too shame.
We will be here for the rest of the day.
There were more laughs, but we're passing around
three microphones with four people just for the record.
You feel like I promise it was a good joke.
Trust me.
Trust me.
We're going to edit a laugh track.
I actually think I should have set that up on the recorder
if I really wanted to, yeah.
And it had massaging seats,
which I don't remember the air having.
Maybe they just weren't on, but they were delightful.
Not as delightful as the shower over at the Mon Hotel,
but I got you.
That was borderline violent.
If you want to be, I had to prepare them
so it wouldn't injure anything.
You know, like watch for that thing's aiming
when you turn that flow on, you know.
But I really liked that car too.
And in a way that I thought it was,
Michael, you mentioned that it seemed
a little homebrew in places,
but compared to one of those early cars
that we had driven way back when this thing
seemed really finished at, I don't know,
I really, I dig it.
It's, yeah, it has a little bit of the handcrafted-ness.
But like in a good way.
I mean, we got to drive two of them.
We were trying to see the different trim levels,
but we ended up in two Tourings.
They have a Grand Touring here,
but that one was occupied.
You know, I really liked they had the wood grain
like they've had in other cars.
And I really liked that most of the roof is glass.
Like it made it very expansive.
And you know, I think the air accelerated more quickly,
but that makes sense given the type of car.
Still lovely to drive.
And they have a bit of a squared off steering wheel,
which I hadn't experienced before.
And I really liked it.
I liked it too.
I didn't mind it at all.
It just added to that sort of airiness of the interior.
It felt like an elevated space to be in.
I really like the interior design, kind of Scandinavian,
you know, sort of like in the vein of Tesla,
but I think elevated, again, just a little bit better.
Yeah, and the materials were nice.
And it's just, I really, yeah, again,
is a proposition to put my heart and money on.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, if there was ever a time to lease a Lucid,
it's right now.
The lease deals are ridiculous in the best way.
And I think it's a good car.
They still have some growing pains
that they're going through and whatnot.
But again, hypocrisy, not from us, just in general.
You want a better car that's not to take a shot at Tesla,
but this is not a shot at them.
I'm saying you want an electric vehicle
that's not built by Tesla.
And then there's other options out there.
And then you see them and then you still don't go for it.
And it's like, the proposition is right there.
You can get a Lucid air at like $600 a month
with however much down and whatnot.
Which, I mean, that's a lot of car.
It's a lot of car.
Because that's big.
I mean, what was MSRP for air sapphire when it first came out?
It was on the, it wasn't like a hundred, no, 200.
It was over 200.
That high?
Yeah, yeah, it was.
I mean, it was also a thousand horsepower or something too.
You know what, honestly, it may have been 185.
My point being is it was definitely over 150.
And then for you to be able to go ahead and get it on a least
deal at like 600 or change, 600 and change or whatever.
No.
Maybe three grand down.
With half the horsepower or whatever.
I mean, I've driven the service vehicle that they had
over at the Phoenix location.
And it had what is equivalent of 800 horsepower.
It's one of, it's the second most
fastest accelerating vehicle I've ever sat my ass in.
It's, it's compelling, you know.
But there's so much competition.
You look at the Scouts that were right next to it.
And, and, you know, the Scout is that's a good looking thing
in my eyes.
I really like the vintage vibes that they get.
It looks modern.
You know, am I going to go in and get a Lucid over the Scout,
for example?
I mean, we don't know because we don't know how much
this is going to cost.
Right.
We're going to go find out shortly.
We're going to find out.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
And that's, and that's really, there's so many just
excellent cars right now.
We're kind of splitting hairs, you know, we're kind of like,
we know what does it for you, you know, getting into that
Kia, that EV6 GT after Lucid was shocking because, well,
it was a very competent car.
The quality of the plastics in the interior bits were about
three steps below what we had just experienced in Lucid,
you know, so.
Which tracks like if you had had to guess ahead of time,
you would have said, yeah, I'm expecting the Lucid to be.
Sure.
I'm expecting the Kia to be.
What's important to you.
Yeah.
Well, and I think, you know, we were commenting like,
I think it was a great way to drive like the order
to drive them and to drive them right next to each other,
or one after the other, because it led us,
it was a very direct comparison.
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, like Michael and I were looking at the cargo
space, having just looked at the cargo space and the gravity.
And like you said, like the headroom in the Kia was much tighter,
the passenger envelope.
Well, I also feel like.
Is the EV6 as a total, is it a more, is it a just smaller car?
It is, it is.
It is, it is.
Okay, yeah, that's funny.
So it was like the gravity just shrunk.
Yeah, kind of tight in the back.
Hey, what was that Honda bicycle delivery part?
So it's called the fast port.
Okay, it's kind of.
And I am, because like we said, we've given our research assistant
the day off.
So I am spilling in for them.
It's kind of, what would you describe?
It's like a, what's the, like a rickshaw.
It's a rickshaw with storage in the back.
It's like double, like the cargo box is like double the height
of a rickshaw, but, and it looks like, you know, an ice cream truck.
Yeah.
So it is a new business venture focused on the last mile delivery
market using a modular electric quadrocycle called the E-Quad.
And it's in the fleet as a service fast model.
And it's providing not just the vehicle, but also a full ecosystem,
including swappable batteries, cargo boxes, maintenance, and a
software platform.
But what we all kept remarking about, because their, their test
drive area was right by where we passed with the Kia.
And what was so interesting is the, the body position looked like
kept catching our attention because you sit sort of vertically.
Like a Kimbo, I think is the word reviewed in the past.
Yes.
And the people were definitely focused down and we're not
sure if they were looking at their feet because of the position
or if there's a screen.
Very awkward.
But yeah, a lot of people, I think, I think part of the issue is
their test area is not, is in, it's in competition with the turning
radius of the fast.
Well, would you want to be taking any vehicle, any pedaled vehicle
in LA traffic downtown?
So I think it's more of a safety issue.
So because I think a lot of people were getting hung up,
trying to back it, do a three point turn on this bicycle,
rickshaw, ice cream truck, body haul.
Yeah, you get ice cream.
Someone getting run over is not great PR.
We're combined to it.
What's the point of the pedals though?
Like what is the word of those factors?
Like if it's got a powertrain anyway, like is this just,
I don't know, it's a delivery guy looking for an extra exercise.
At that point, you're probably looking at cost, right?
Yeah.
You're probably looking at is not fully electric.
So it's going to cost less.
So it's basically like a, for people that don't want to Google it
and you don't definitely need to, it's basically like an electric
bike with a big cargo box on the back.
It's this type of stuff that we were saying earlier,
Peter Parker would have been using to deliver pizzas
in Spider-Man 2.
Hashtag marble.
Hashtag, I haven't seen that film.
Hashtag, I love Toby McGuire.
By the way, can I just comment on something really quickly?
Oh, shout out to Genesis.
Oh, thank you, Genesis.
You're very kind.
They just thanked me for going to their stand on Instagram.
I was going to say, this is veering into like,
if you guys could see.
Yeah, but do you get a car?
I thought AI, I thought AI already knew
when we were talking about it on this episode.
They're like, we heard you like the session this time.
May we offer.
By the way, can I just comment on Los Angeles traffic
for just one minute because it's abysmal.
We sailed in.
What are you talking about?
Let's say, I heard you guys had an LA miracle
of a drive-in this morning.
Oh, this morning it was.
Hotel in Barstow here was like 32 minutes.
No, but we were trying to go ahead and get the van
nice last night.
And thank God, DP is the absolute, an absolute gent.
But the amount of stuff that you and I saw
on the way to the Peterson
and on the way over to van nice yesterday.
We didn't even go through San Bernardino.
Dude, it was, it was atrocious.
Just the driving of some individuals in the city.
You wonder, how is this the scent?
How is this the Mecca?
You added towners.
Get out of it.
It's a simple thing.
I mean, like really, it's like people
seeing electricity for the first time.
No, I mean, I've come out here so many different times.
I've driven in the city so many times,
but it makes you wonder how in tarnations
this is the Mecca of car culture in the United States
when people drive as abysmally as they do
in particular in downtown Los Angeles.
It was ridiculous.
Is this like a tell me you're not from LA
without telling me you're not from LA?
That's really what it is.
We aim to deliver a very engaging, unique experience
every time.
That's right.
And you know, you just gotta stand your toes.
They cross intersections and I'm like,
why are you here?
It's just that said, I love LA.
I still do.
I don't call me a new man, but I always like when I come here.
It's because Ryan does not live here.
I like Denver a lot before I moved there.
No kidding.
No, LA is great.
And so it's good to be here.
I don't know how long we've been recording.
We're at 35.
I think it's about time to head to our next event.
Yeah, we have another 50 minutes of the event.
Let's close this out with like, what is the one car
that each of you have seen that will stick with you?
By the way, it doesn't have to be the fanciest,
the most expensive, whatever.
But like, what's the one?
What's the one where you would take home,
regardless of cost, regardless of access?
It doesn't matter.
I got two.
It's that, not to go ahead and get up in here and stuff
like that in you guys' podcast, but that Hyundai concept
off-roader thing was actually super rad.
Please go check it out.
And based on my prior appearance on that car show,
the ZR1X is in the building.
And I want my two friends right over here,
as well as you, Michael, who are now my friend as well.
That's up for debate.
The days are not over.
My two friends and you.
Hey, that's fine.
By the way, do you think that's the first time
I've been excluded?
Is it the day end and why?
That's the, is that the title of the show?
Oh, my two friends.
All right, guys, we're on teams.
You in the corner.
But the ZR1X.
By the way, I'm not recording this with them.
I'm in the corner while they're at the table.
You're in a different room.
You may just sit outside.
I'm such an asshole for that.
I'm so sorry, dude.
Such a dick.
Sorry.
Yeah.
No, I, I, I'm not offended.
You, you need-
I'll cry later.
No.
So I have my therapist for you.
No, but the ZR1X is here.
And I think that it would be,
I mean, it's such a rad car.
Yeah.
The wing, the wing's not quite as tall as the 3RS,
but it's as wide.
It is pretty.
It's freaking, it takes up a lot of room.
And the car, it's a really cool spec.
It's like silver with the black wheels.
I mean, that car ran 649 at the Nurburgring, dude.
That thing is a real, real-
That's a trim.
That is 30 seconds faster, I think,
than a GT4 first, about 30 seconds.
30 seconds, is it?
30 seconds.
It's a half a minute.
My biggest question, having now seen one in person,
you look at that thing, it's gorgeous.
You're 100% right, Jorge.
And this is going to be kind of a weird tangent.
The disc, the calipers, you know, they're carbon ceramics.
The calipers are Alcons.
They're not Brembo's.
Oh, interesting.
So you look in this entire building,
there's probably 40% of these cars.
And Brembo, Brembo, Brembo, Brembo, Brembo.
Everywhere you go, the aftermarket, you know,
working with OEs.
And they actually say Alcon on them.
And that's interesting to me at that level,
because by the way, you walk over to the Z06,
that's 40 feet away, and everything else you buy is Brembo.
Yeah.
Why?
That's the kind of like little Easter egg
that I kind of wonder, I don't want to ask a GM engineer.
Like, how come you went with, arguably,
a smaller manufacturer on your flagship model?
Yeah.
I will get that answer.
I would just get that question.
Because by the way, they even let them put,
I mean, because we all go about branding.
They let them put that, it's on the caliper.
And the funny thing is, and I said this to you guys
when I was last on, and I've said this for a long time,
even on TT, the one thing that you don't have to worry about
on performance Corvettes of the last,
let's call it 15 years, is their brakes.
Because they have some of the best breaking power
out of any manufacturer on the planet.
Like they are, like, if there was ever one thing
you didn't want to worry about on a Corvette,
it's those brakes every time.
They're the carbon ceramics or the steelies.
And so I find it interesting,
but it clearly has not made a difference
in any way, shape, or form that that car has stopping power.
Tesla should be talking to GM engineers
about their brakes for their plan.
And now that's a shot.
They should be going and talking to them
because Chevy has the breaking power right and whatnot.
So I just curious, it was more of a curiosity than anything.
Just given what most vehicles have these days.
Porsche obviously uses Brembo's exclusively.
And it's not to throw shade at either company.
It's not even about that.
It's just it was an interesting thing
out of their flagship car.
And especially not a low production,
or it cost us no object at this point.
Why that caliper?
That's probably, that's the R1X.
I think I told you it's probably about $300,000 car.
No, you had such a passion for stopping.
Well, I'm just saying, if you're going to go ahead, if you got.
Ryan is perpetual.
This is as much as we've ever spoken about brakes.
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a listen,
when you when you got 1100 plus power,
the horsepower or whatever,
and you're running under seven at the ring,
and this is probably the fastest North American car ever built.
You know, you would like for it to stop.
You know, this is true.
The irony is, I'm misquoting some of the facts,
but you can't when you see a car go by,
when they when people talk about mods for cars,
obviously it's wheels, right?
Wheels are the first thing people notice.
Maybe it's the color.
But brakes, when you go to see them and talk to them,
brakes is kind of, they're the more expensive item.
But sure, something that people quickly try to
customize because they're the next noticeable thing.
That's very much it.
You know, they don't care about anything else,
other than what do I look like when I'm rolling down the street?
And if you got a big set of brakes,
that must mean you have, you know,
a bajillion horsepower under the hood.
So it's partially a visual mod too.
I agree.
What are you taking away if you can take it away?
No, you guys go first.
I'm going to go last.
Okay, so I have a...
You just got something really good.
I'm going to blow everybody else's choices out of the way.
It's actually going to be that Honda bike.
Yeah, it's like...
They did not let me ride for the record.
No, but if they do, we will have video of that.
Yes, only because we have not signed up yet.
So...
We did have to take breathalyzer tests this morning,
by the way, for these drives.
Well, no, Ryan had an error.
He didn't actually pass.
Remember, she said this thing's kind of finicky.
Either a really terrible breath or...
She's like, this is fine.
Yeah, they've never seen a BAC so high at, you know,
nine in the morning, but...
Or shoes and hand grenades.
So Spark SPARQ has a big display,
and they worked with the Peterson to bring in some cars.
And I had the chance to...
I was with Dan, and I actually got to help open the door
on the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren.
So that is the one that I would take home.
That's a good one.
Guys, I saw my baby again today, the J.R. Corolla.
I have absolutely fallen for it.
With the roof rack.
The roof rack really threw me off.
I was talking to her about that.
Like, that feels a little...
That's a bridge too far for me.
I'm telling you, man, they can put surfboards on that.
It was also a bridge too far because that had no automatic.
But I guess that's hard to money shift.
But it had that red, that beautiful red.
So that is the color.
I'm curious to see how many automatics they end up selling
for $25,000 and $26,000.
No, and maybe it's wonderful.
I haven't driven it yet, I will.
But, you know, I really, again, for the money, for $40,000,
I walked right past the Supra.
I walked right...
Can you get...
I mean, is there any...
Yeah, yeah, you get a point, so it's $40,000.
Can you get a $40,000?
That's the question here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's your point.
Or, you know, being able to access these cars without a bunch of...
Because like, ZR1s, I've already seen a handful of ZR1s pop up,
and they're anywhere from $100,000 to $200,000 over stick.
The dealership by my house has a couple just under $40,000.
I think they have it at about $38,000, $39,000.
See, that's perfect.
Now, I hope someone goes in and buys them.
And the GR Corolla...
You'll have more fun than the GR Corolla
than you will in that Corvette.
I have a mic.
Can I drop it?
Yes, go for it.
I mean, yeah, you can.
I mean, we were...
We still didn't listen to you what you had to say,
but yeah, that's not...
You can drop it all you want.
Much like you.
It's not the first time.
All right, so you're gonna end this,
and then we'll...
Yeah, Michael, what you got?
There will be no one who doesn't make a comment
when you roll up in a Toyota Crown station wagon.
Ah, that car is the bomb.
The one here is black, so I think it's not doing as well.
So it's like...
I liked it.
But it has a beautiful...
It has a beautiful, like, almost bossy...
Roasted...
Yeah, basically leathery-colored material.
I love that car.
The interior is gorgeous.
But that car, if that car was in...
If they had brought that car out in that color,
you could see, because it's next to two others
that are in dark color.
So it kind of gets blends in, because you miss...
You miss kind of...
It almost has a shooting brake feel a little bit.
You didn't even know this car existed.
I didn't.
I pointed it out to you.
That's my point.
I have no idea.
And now he's on fire.
Yeah.
And out of anything down there, someone...
First off, you're not gonna use it in a parking lot,
because it's not gonna look like anything else.
And secondly, you're gonna use the hell out of it,
whether you have kids or not, because it's actually useful.
And it drives great.
That I don't know.
I've spent some time in one.
But you can drive me around in it.
I mean, that'd be wonderful.
He's like, why else would I buy it?
When he picks me up from LAX.
So two Toyotas, a Chevy, and a McLaren, Mercedes.
And the Hyundai concept.
But you know, I will say, I hadn't seen the Crown
before today, either.
Yeah.
And I know what you mean about, in terms of showing it
on the show floor for maximum impact.
I really like it in the black.
And I'm not typically a black car person,
but I thought it made it look like a luxury car.
Yeah.
Like it lends, the lines lend themselves well to black.
And I think with.
By the way, so did the Genesis G stands
that you were in the back of?
That G90 was in.
But that was beautiful.
That's a metallic.
That's almost like a BMW metallic.
So I agree with you, but make sure that the Genesis
got a shout out, mainly because they went ahead.
Honorable mention.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
But I think it was a good, when you think about which,
where are you spending your most amount of time
with the cars on the interior?
And with the two tone, you have like the beautiful kind
of baseball glove, you know, tobacco interior.
So you get some color there.
But yeah, I think, like I had the Forester last spring,
and it was so useful.
And I think the layout is very similar.
I think it would be so useful to have.
If you order an Uber black and that showed up,
I wouldn't be like, this is garbage.
It's like it's actually incredible.
The lines are really pretty.
There's my two car solution, a GR Corolla
and a Crown wagon or whatever.
Is that all-wheel drive?
Because it is a hybrid.
And it's raised up.
Horray and I looked at it.
It's a hybrid.
I just, I think that is a.
That's a great garage, actually.
Right?
Like we talked about that last year.
And the GT4.
Unique.
Who needs a GT4 when you get a Toyota Crown, Jorge?
Two car solutions plus the fun car.
Yeah.
Anyway, I just, yeah, I think Toyota's really,
really killing it right now.
That's the car that surprised me the most.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, God, because again, to your point,
I knew they had Crowns, but I didn't know they had a Crown
wagon.
Yeah, never seen an ad, never seen a TV spot.
Toyota has billboards and all over LA and TV ads
every five minutes.
Not one of them show that car.
Not a mention.
And it's actually, I would argue,
one of their more useful products.
Yeah.
Yeah, the application, like it's, it has so many,
yeah, well, and there's so many.
Like if you have kids, you have pets,
if you're hauling stuff, like you can fold the back seats down.
It's.
We're calling this episode Toyota-thon.
There we are.
Friends.
There we are.
Should we wrap this up?
Yeah, let's go see Scout.
Okay, well, before you, before you hit that button,
we will be away next week for the Thanksgiving holiday,
doing things with friends and family.
So we're going to do something a little different.
We're going to take three of our favorite,
that car show episodes from the past,
maybe some early ones, maybe some you haven't heard
for your listening pleasure.
Until then, we're that car show.
And remember, always be driving.
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Talk to you soon.
Thanks.
About this episode
Live from the LA Auto Show, the crew dives into their experiences, discussing new car reveals, standout models, and the vibrant atmosphere of the event. Joined by Jorge Aquino, they share impressions of various vehicles, including the striking Toyota Crown wagon and the impressive ZR1X. The conversation flows from the importance of color in automotive design to the latest trends in electric vehicles. With plenty of humor and camaraderie, this episode captures the excitement of the auto show and the passion for cars that drives the community.
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This week—better late than never—it’s That Car Show, live from the L.A. Auto Show. Lindsey, Michael and Ryan are joined by Jorge Aquino of Tormenting Tarmac and we hunkered down in a cubicle in the Auto Show media center to bring you this podcast magic. Our show impressions, the best new car reveals and some general automotive shooting of the shit. Plus… we curate a museum exhibition without equal. This was a fun one and it was good to record together in person. Subscribe, rate and review. It’s That Car Show.
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