SnailTrail4x4 with Jimmy Jet

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Had a happy Memorial Day weekend.

What do we do? We went to the Like that's went

to the lake two weeks in a row. Coming up on today's show though

is Jimmy Jet of the snail Trail 4 by 4 podcast.

I'm going to talk to us a little bit about off-roading as you know I've tried to do some off-roading myself not with a lot of success. In fact, even this last weekend,

my son try to take his so he wanted to go to the lake.

So he grabbed his dogs grabbed, his friend Daria who they're just friends. They are inseparable, but they

are just friends. So whatever you want to call it

kid. Got a little car and wanted to

go to the lake. So, we got our car and my

brother-in-law grabbed his family.

Got in their car. Thought he wanted to venture off

though. Fine.

Like this really Hideaway Cove. We'd heard about last time we

were on the boat whenever going a little off road and it really wasn't much more fire Trails for those of, you know what that is.

It's kind of a few Rocky Roads primitive roads, but they're called them, but we're not doing any rock climbing or any Moab stuff or anything crazy like Jimmy does.

All the time. So a lot of fun a lot of fun

getting lost drove around for a couple hours to set of this was not the direction we wanted to go.

So what do we do? We turn around went right back

to the water where we should have been the first time.

That was our weekend cooked a little ribs for the family family came over. Watch Maverick some Maverick.

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Jimmy Jet. What's up?

How's it going today? It's going good.

Hopefully, I didn't get any of that stuff wrong.

I'm probably a little low on some of those numbers.

They're close enough. I'm not too particular on those

things and it doesn't matter that much.

I think we're about to release 300 coming up here.

And you know, well, I don't know how when you're going to release this episode but yeah, in the next few days we're releasing our 300th episode and then yeah I'm somewhere around twenty six thousand two hundred and seventy five videos on YouTube or something. Yeah that's that's a pretty

exact number on the videos Snail Trail 4 by 4.

So we've connected on on Instagram back.

And forth. Yep, I don't know if it was on

some Forum or if it was like Clubhouse or something.

It was what we originally cross. Paths on clubhouse in a pod.

Casting room. Yeah.

Do you still do Clubhouse? No, I do not.

I think it's still a thing. I haven't logged into the

clubhouse and months. Yeah I was looking at trying to

figure out if there was a way for me to figure out like get for by Foreign content onto Clubhouse and I didn't see it as a good Avenue. I found it difficult to really

connect. It was almost more of a I love

you. I love you too, everybody.

Let's love each other. And follow these ten people on

stage and none of them are going to follow you back.

And I was just like, you know, I just, I mean, I met some cool people and they're obviously, that's why we kind of connected initially. It's just, I don't know what,

for me, it didn't work. I'm sure it works for a lot of

people, but I'm glad we at least connected on there, which brings us to where we are today. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I think Clubhouse was a A great spot for those that are trying to teach like how to do better podcasting, or how to do better, YouTube's are how to be a better speaker, you know, but at least four in the off-road seeing of trying to teach somebody how to, you know, be a better wheeler wasn't really a good Avenue.

There's you need way more visuals than two point of talking. I used to join one called like

ask the experts podcasters on lunch hour and I would listen I'm like what makes you the experts?

Yeah I kind of go around and Kind of like podcast creep on them like look them up and look up their stats and listen to them. I'm like, good good, terrible

shitty worst thing ever. What makes you the experts?

We know. I agree.

It was a good audio format, but as far as visual for something like what you do, 100%, yeah, I did feel.

There was a few times I agree with you.

There was a there was definitely a few times when I was like, so you have 40 episodes on podcasting out and you're talking about how to become a better podcaster, right?

And, you know, it's like I'm running into the problem where we have 300, we have more than 300.

We have like, 320i five episodes and iTunes only shows you three hundred episodes. So we are like, zero through 25

aren't showing up anymore. So we're now making a season

one, you know, of like that will have maybe the first hundred episodes and then our current one that we're doing right now, you know, we'll have from 102, you know, 300 ish.

So it's not like I want that answer, how many people can answer that, you know, and it's like I'm reaching out to these.

You know, some of these large podcasters that have, you know, 500 episodes that are showing it on iTunes and I'm like, hey, help me out. I know I'm a small fry compared

to, you know, you guys. But you've figured this answer

out and you know, I don't know how to answer that yet.

And those people on clubhouse are that with 40 episodes, you know, are like, I don't know. I mean it shows 300 I'm going to

get there in a few years. No, that's a, that's Funny.

I've, I've seen people number 56 to do, but I haven't scroll back to see whether or the bottom 200 of them are right.

Yeah. Usually on a lot of platforms

that will say, you know, like there aren't, you know, it'll say their title 562, you know, love and life.

And it's a dream or whatever. But at the top it'll say, like,

you know, this podcast has x amount of episodes and it'll, you know, show how, you know, if they only have 300 showing it will say, 300 up top. So, so before we get into To the

details of who you are. I guess I want to know who you

are. I've watched a couple of your

old YouTube. That's found one.

It was like when you're in a verse I go you just started your new year ago but I was like, oh wait.

You post this in 2018? Yeah, that's what I was waiting

down here but you know you and Tyler.

Larson, I'm saying is last name, right?

Yeah. So the introduction and then I

sound, I feel dumb for asking this based on the introduction to every episode. Okay.

But is it truly just Toyota Because it seems like you guys talk about more even though you have toyo's.

Yeah, we talked about Toyota's and that's like our main focus.

We do talk about a lot of other brands like we've had the discussion of the rivi and you know, kind of has been one that's been popping up recently, you know, we talked about the new jeeps and whenever there is a, you know, a change in that platform and their new motor that's coming out and, you know, we cover a lot of random topics but we're primarily Toyota based, right? And a lot of the like topics

that we'll cover in regards to off-roading, whether it's maintenance or repair, you can apply to any of your vehicles, you know? So even though we're you know,

talking about how to you know, pull out the drain plug on a 22 re engine, you know, that, you know, learning how to find the drain plug and pull it out for you to do an oil change and how to do the oil changes, you know, it will work on any platform.

Is the Forerunner still? The only SUV that's built on a

truck platform. Where do we have others?

No, I mean, the Sequoia is built on the tundra platform, okay?

Believe the the new series, the new 300 series.

Land Cruiser is on the tundra platform as well, but we don't have the 300 here in America. Let's see.

I don't know what the RAV4 is built on.

I think the RAV4 is probably like a Camry chassis or something. I'm not I'm not.

If but yeah the Tacoma and the forerunners do Sarah.

Share a very similar platform And in regards to the frame Yeah, that's good to know. There was a had a new bird

driver. I was pointing out a forerunner.

I was like, man, that's a nice looking nice looking vehicle right there and he stared at it for like 30 seconds, 30 seconds of silence and then you gave us his opinion on him.

You know, that's the only one that did it as I go.

Maybe I'm a my I know someone who I want to ask the kind of fact check that. But so we have basically that in

the Sequoia, which is interesting.

So I could go buy a sequoia and go off-roading with it but maybe a couple mods is very capable obviously because it's built off the Tundra, which can pull the space, shuttle.

Yeah. Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah.

I thought it was a commercial like 10 years ago.

Right? Yeah.

Shit like that. Sticks in your head.

It does definitely. Yeah, we were just talking to

Iron Man, 4 by 4. And they were saying how the new

Land Cruiser is out all over the world and it shares the same platform as the tundra. The new tundra that's coming

out, the 2022 Tundra. And so they've already like,

putting in New shocks and testing geometry and preloads and rebounds is pretty much sort of dialed for the Land Cruiser.

So when the tundra comes out here, they already kind of have the platform set up, they just need to modify some of the rebound and suspension work to make sure that it works so that, you know, they're already kind of covering their bases that way. So it's neat to have a platform

that covers, you know, like the tundra Frameworks for the Land Cruiser and the sick. Toya.

And you know and then you get companies that build platforms for all three of those as easily as just building that for one.

So we're done with the Land Cruiser here.

Right are. But is it going everywhere else

in the world? Kind of like you have the Toyota

Hilux that we never get. We're never going to get here.

Yep. Exactly.

Yeah, the Land Cruiser is for some odd reason, they killed it in America, it's done. But it is, I mean, it's right

now it's released in the Middle East and I think it's released in Australia. And are not sure if it's

anywhere else out there. But yeah and then I don't, you

know, the tundra might only be an American version of a truck where the Hilux, you know, is everywhere else in the world but America, it's Hilux, I'm calling he looks.

Yeah same difference. People say but if it's, if you

say Hilux mr. 4x4. It's Hilux.

Yeah. Hi like I say, hi Lex.

I'll probably get corrected though.

We'll see. I doubt it.

I Luxio Lux tomato tomahto know when it comes to proper names, it can only be that name in my opinion.

Sounds good. Well, go with ya.

Talk to me about the podcast in general.

I mean, you guys started what three years ago?

Yeah, why did you guys start? Well, yeah, that's a good

question. So, we originally started on

another planet. Another podcast called The High

Sierra 4x4 podcast and they were all Jeeps 100%, like Jeep owners. Like By Jeep throw full like one

ton axles underneath it and throw 40s on it and that's your Jeep and go out and wheel and they were slowly fading away will say and we realized it and we knew there in the area close to us in the Sacramento area. And so we reached out or my

buddy, Tyler the coat, my co-host Tyler was on their podcast. I think he was even on.

He was on like number 250 or somewhere pretty high up there.

And then we got to talking with them about hey, you know, let's relive some of your stress, like, let us do every every other episode and we'll do Toyota content and then that way you can have different content on your platform and they're like, yeah, that sounds great. And then eventually it turned

into us doing every other episode and they were just re-releasing old episodes that they had already talked about.

And so we were like, hey I think we're done but I think we're going to start our own thing. You know it doesn't seem like

you're really too much more interested in it and they tried to add some that one point they wanted us to take over their platform and we really we're it was interesting.

We went into discussions about it but we also have our own Brands and So, we didn't want multiple Brands, you know, affiliated with our name. So we eventually said, no, I

think we're going to do our own thing.

We're going to start the snail Trail 4 by 4 podcast because we already had the snail Trail 4 by 4 YouTube channel and then and then yeah that's sort of where it came from is, you know, we got our baby steps or our training wheels with this other podcast and then we jumped into doing them ourselves.

And then our first few podcasts, we're going to two and a half hours. Long podcast where we do a lot

of talking about a main topic and then we'll talk about what we've been doing. And eventually we said, you know

what, let's just split this into two episodes and we'll do a main topic and then we'll talk about what the heck we've been up to.

And that's pretty much how we blasted up to around 300 episodes even though we've only been doing it, just over three years I think on our own but doing two-week, really makes it seem like we we got a lot of episodes out there in a short amount of time. How have you avoided podcast?

Fatigue? I think that relying on a

co-host really helps and, you know, sometimes I will be tired or not have an idea and he'll come forth with energy and have an idea of what we want to talk about and then vice versa, you know he'll be tired and you know I don't know what we want to talk about this week and then I'll be like well I have this idea and this idea in this idea lets you know let's figure something out and I do think that that helps a lot.

Definitely if you have somebody to you know bam Tour with or bad ideas back and forth against that, you know, that's, that's a big help and I don't know why we haven't ran out of ideas on what to talk about. For some reason we all you know,

we're 150 episodes of main topics, you know, and there's still things we want to talk about.

Like we've never really had a tire sponsor or Tire spy said sponsor but I meant more like a podcast based on tires and talking about tires in the makeup of tires.

And You know, the rubber compounds and how to figure, you know, dependent or figure out lugs the lug size of a, you know, changing from a 33 to 40 to, you know, and all like all these questions we have about tires and like we've never had anybody to talk to, you know, in regards to that.

And so that's one of the things we're working on right now.

And you know there's just endless amount of questions and there's a whole bunch of like racing.

There's a lot of off-road racing, there's the King of the Hammers, there's Ultra for racing.

There's We rocks rock crawling so there's just a lot that goes on in the off-road community that continues to light a flame under our rear ends, I guess, how would you describe your relationship? Because when I listen to you

guys you're completely opposite personality type, I mean obviously you're both 4x4 driven.

You've been doing this for years together and even before you did snail Trail, when you were doing the other one, you know, how how do you guys meld because you sound completely, he sounds Izzy more. The technical as far as You turn

it because when you go to the website, everything has his name on it? Yeah.

For the most part, he to some extent.

We're both marketing guys. We're both grew up or like our

day jobs were marketing. Wow.

Yeah. And so, we have that as the our

backgrounds. He's definitely a little.

He's definitely more on the technical side than I am.

I'm more on the fabrication side.

I think a little bit then he is I though he's quickly catching up to me. Doing some building some really

cool stuff right now in the shop.

But, you know, it's like he didn't know how to pull apart, an axle, and I was one of the first person that showed him how to do that. So, but yeah, so I think that we

kind of have we differ in those aspects but because of that we help feed each other, you know, build each other up, you know, one way or another. Whereas, you know, I'm more of a

graphic designer and he was more the marketing and so we can both work together on that aspect. And yeah, I think that, you

know. Yeah, his name's Is on a lot of

the podcasting side of the on our website.

But, you know, if you go to the YouTube, you know, blogs or whatever, my name's owe you one. So yeah, yeah.

I I don't know. I think that we have beneficial

complementary features or I don't know it like qualities that helped us, you know, in the podcasting and YouTube seen and marketing and business because we both have our own businesses now too. Cool.

We'll have you heard about anchor.

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Teach me about anchor. All right.

So here's the deal. Talk to me about snail Trail,

the name because I've heard snail Trail before and it had nothing to do with four by four. Now it definitely doesn't.

And to be bluntly honest, I had no idea what the urban dictionary form of that word was before, probably.

Don't I started this, I originally it was like I we go slow we don't like rock crawling it.

You could hike the trail faster than you could drive the trail.

Like we, you know, we go one mile an hour, maybe average across the trail, like super slow.

And so I wanted something some sort of icon that represented going slow, you know. And there's already an a

phenomenal company out there called marlin crawler that has a turtle. So I was like, well, I can't use

the turtle right? You know, and so I fell into a

snail, I don't, you know, I was just another another item.

That I care that goes slow. And and then I was like, well,

when the snail crawls along, you know, it leaves a GUI, nasty mess, I Trail. And when we drive, we leave a

trail of tracks in, you know, from our tire.

So and then a friend of mine pointed out with what the name meant. And I was like, yeah, I'll add 4

by 4 to the end. Snail Trail podcast, we were

like, all this is going to be great, right?

Yeah, we did actually No, I think it's brilliant actually good because I had a good laugh at it.

When I was looking at I was like, huh?

But just as you described when you watch the rock the rock crawling, you can it's literally one front wheel and then you have to bring along the rest because not only could you probably not go faster but if you tried your vehicle just blow up and fall apart, yeah, to some extent.

Yeah, some vehicles are made to go fast.

You know, we got the King of the Hammers, Racers out there.

That, you know, do 200 miles in a matter of hours and with rock crawling Trails, you know what, mine's not - right - definitely a crawler, it goes slow. I enjoy going out to the trails

that have a technical aspect of off-roading and I have to figure out how to get through this obstacle and, you know, with the vehicle I have and it takes me, you know, a quite a bit of time sometimes to look at it and figure out my line and how I want to go. You're not saying a lot of homes

are us. You've been doing this for a

long time. How did you become better at

your craft? Because a lot of people they

say, I don't know if I could podcast, I don't like listening to my own voice, blah, blah, blah blah.

I never been there and we know we've been in a bunch of podcast groups. There's people say, I don't

edit, I don't even listen to my own stuff.

It's more organic. It's more raw as more real.

And I'm like, no, you don't have to heavily edit, but you have to at least understand what you're saying.

Because as a listener, I don't want to be your social experiment. Went through audio.

I want to have something good. Like how have you gotten so

fluid? I guess over the years.

Yeah, it's it. That's also a great question in

regards to just practice, I guess, you know, a lot of repetition and, you know, I guess starting with YouTube, you really watch what you do and watch what you say.

And sometimes go over things 5 6, 7 8 9 10 times before you get it. Intro and outro that you

appreciate. So yeah I think that you know in

regards to YouTube it was a great stepping stone for me to do podcasting. I mean YouTube is way harder

than doing podcasting. There's a video side of it that

doesn't happen in podcast land but I also go back and listen to all of my episodes. And look at how what I've said

when I said something. How did I interrupt somebody?

When am I saying? Um, or Like, or things like

that, you know, these little phrases that people put in there that allow a pause in the audio so they can think and figure out what they want to say next. Do you ever send?

Actually I know you do because we've sent them back and forth and voice notes. Do you listen to those back when

you get done? Sending them?

And now I'd probably laugh at myself.

So, I my buddy Wes and I we we send them all day every day and every single It's no dice and I listen back to because sometimes you can always read in when the autocorrect happens.

It's like no I meant for not or but when you send a voice you don't you can't see that. So I always kind of go back,

it's like, hey, I know I sound like an asshole wasn't trying to things like that but I think it's still kind of the same thing, right? Your listen to your delivery and

it's funny when you're talking about something you're passionate about. You make less errors when you

have to come up with things on the Fly is a lot of filler words arms as you know, you know. Yeah, that makes sense.

I, you know, if you're talking about something you want to talk about are you know, intimately then you'll be able to flow if you're, you know speaking out of your rear end you probably say in a few ohms at some what's and what-have-yous.

Or if you're not prepared, like, I get my wife should all the time because she comes in and she's a, she's a banker corporate banker. And she starts telling me

stories about conversations that she's had with people and like, like, like, and I've tried to help her with it.

And I start saying, like, and she stopped, she's like, you know, you're a jerk. I could no, no, I'm trying to

help you here because it's literally like I was talking to Jimmy Jet and he's like he grabbed his microphone and he was telling me about like this. And so I said this and he's

like, like like like like like like I'm like Jesus man.

It's like Just like I just said like you know it's just it's just about becoming a better speaker and I think, you know, you're really good at doing that and it you can tell when you listen to your podcast you can tell you guys are having a lot of fun, doing it. Well I wanted you on here

because as I told you on social media, a group of my long friends and I decided to go. I'm giving him air quotes here

offroading, okay? Which I consider light off.

Roading big difference between that and true trails that are rated for Hard 4x4, required versus two wheel friendly, and even rock crawling. And then the ultimate, I guess

Moab is probably the ultimate, the United States.

For everybody, it's the definitely up there.

There's, I would say that there's Trails Across the Nation or locations that are bucket list items for everybody.

You know, there's places on the East Coast that I want to go to and there's people on the East Coast.

I want to come out here and do the Rubicon.

So, yeah. Moab is a bucket list item for a

lot of people. What's the craziest vehicle that

you've seen work or a platform? Because there's always somebody

who like put some crazy shit together.

I think there's like a dually off-road like Hellcat or something, just ridiculously stupid, but as far as you can look at something like that RAV4 would never work and you get out there on the trails and also new see like 50 rav4's you like I didn't think that would work like what's the craziest most I guess common of the non-traditional that you see Shouting about what's a really good non-traditional?

Rock crawler. Yeah.

Or something, you never would have thought going into it, because we all think. Okay, Cherokee.

Right. Okay, no toyo's can do whatever

they want. No one really thought about the

Suzuki Sidekick except for he can go anywhere.

You want it to go, you know, just cure, maybe something you saw me like, huh, I can't believe that worked.

Yeah, that I haven't thought of it.

That's a good one. Let's see.

The Suzuki Samurais are great but they're super.

I asked. Psychic.

There's and, but the thing is, that a lot of people steal things off the sidekick and put it on their Samurai.

So it's pretty much a sidekick. I would say that the and

probably, you know, shooting myself in the foot here, the Jeep Wrangler platform is by far the most common off-roader.

There is I think the new Bronco is going to be outstanding off-road, but you don't, we don't see many of them yet, but they're, they're, you know why, right?

Let me in Erupt you, you know why?

Cause people haven't paid him off yet?

But I will well to some extent. Yeah.

And then you get the people that buy them and suddenly cut all the suspension off and throw new stuff underneath.

So, yeah. You know nowadays it's a lot of

Ford Raptors or Ford Rangers or the Chevy ZR2 which you don't normally see out there or maybe is there a z 0 Z R4?

I don't remember, I don't know that Ford I just know but yeah guy because those examples I always think of those is Either City crawlers or work trucks like the Home Depot job site.

Trucks not not necessarily you know beginner trucks but contractor the foreman. They want you to know that they

have a little bit of pool so they get like the lightly slightly nicer Truck. Yeah but I can't really see

those crawling around either. But yeah they're capable now

they're completely capable and like the Chevy Colorado.

Now I believe it even has the option to do front and rear lockers from Factory which Almost nobody.

I mean, there's very rear, there are a few platforms that offer something like that. So you know, Chevy's definitely

been upping their game on the off-road scene just for that.

When you lock your axle can you explain to us what that does when you're going over terrain? Yeah.

Sure. Absolutely.

The so there's really three ways to force gain traction on your axles, right? There's an open differential

which so when one tires, It's a spin, you know, your drivetrain shoves all the power, over to that one drivetrain, then you have posi and limited slip, which kind of is the opposite.

When one tire starts to spin, there's clutches inside the differential that throw the power to the other side.

That's not spinning. And then you have a locker,

which there's mechanical electrical air lockers.

There's a dip few different varieties, but what it does is it lets talk about a mechanical or on it just to make things easy. One, one tire starts to spin it,

locks stuff up in the Differential and it makes both tires spin at the same rate at the same time.

And so it completely blocks the axle up and just allows you to get power on both sides at the same same rate.

Does it cause more stress? Is that something right?

No one. Most people drive around

unlocked. Then as it there's probably

vehicles Work trucks, things that are designed to do more than just go on the street. That probably just come with

that or is that something? Most people have to install

aftermarket. There's definitely vehicles that

automatically come from an app from the dealer but the most people don't really look at it on this.

They do a lot of off-roading or go have a work truck that goes off into, you know, down a fire Road and asked to maintain power lines or something. They may be are looking at it,

then but if you're in the off-roading seen, you know, you're purchasing vehicles that have lockers For the most part that's, you know, I bought a 2016 2 coma and I specifically bought the TRD off-road package because that's the one that came with the locker. And that's what I, you know,

when I go off-roading and that truck on my lightly, off-road trails, you know, throwing my hair coats back at you, I've watched your videos. You're not lightly doing shit.

If that if that trucks that's Trucks Only on 33s and has like a two inch left. It's it's really my going out

with the Family, Overland kind of style rig, where if I take out the 91 Toyota rock crawler on 37's and solid axle.

Swapped that's that one is trying to hit the hardest lines and drive over small Volkswagens or PT Cruisers or whatever.

I think I know what that looks like.

So we went to this place called like sheeps Bridge or whatever up here. Super fucking cool.

We're all struggling really slow going over these taking our time and You know, we have a Tacoma. I mean, yeah, we have it, we

have to Tacoma so they're capable.

One of them is lifted. One of them.

Isn't we had FJ Cruiser? Which is, you know, capable and

we had a Porsche Cayenne which was stock height, but it had, you know, the tires. So for everything we were doing

everything that we brought was capable, but we're looking and there's this Toyota coming at us and he's probably going 30 miles an hour. We're going five.

The cab isn't moving at all. Just the suspension and we're

like that. Dude's got that.

This isn't his first rodeo. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, there's definitely people out there that build their rig for a specific purpose, and depending on which, you know, Trails, they're going on or where they live geographically, you do design your rig differently, you know, we just got back from Moab and our rigs are not really designed for what Moab is and we learned that by driving some of the trails out there and we're tall. Like, you know, our vehicles are

taller than average for Vehicles out in Moab because out here in Northern California. We want to drive over big rocks

and we need the belly height. When we get over that rock, that

we don't get ourselves stuck. We're in Moab that you're doing

a lot of really steep climbs are somewhat off-kilter, off-camber turns. And when you're tall, that's you

want to roll over. You want to tip?

Yeah, exactly. At your Center gravity is much

higher and so you know it's it was an eye-opening experience.

Audience and next time we go out to Moab I'm either going to try to figure out a different vehicle to take or figure out a way to lower my vehicle down so that I can go have some more fun out there on those trails. So for us like I have I have a

street crawler. Have an Infiniti FX 50s Okay, V8

5.0 liter. I took it on a soft off-road

course, I was the one holding everybody back because it's bothering me out. I said I either need to raise

this thing, up two or three inches and put some more meat on the tires and get smaller Wheels because it comes with stock 21.

Something like 17 or 18 S, I don't understand.

And that's what I'm going to ask you.

I don't know people like I got 33 is, oh my God, that's cool.

I can tell you streak Wheels, I know what an 18-inch wheel is.

I know it if, you know, 35 series tire is when people start saying 30, 33:37 S, I assume it has something to do with the rubber, maybe in the size of the tire. 33 inches tall, like I

don't fucking know, but I don't, I wouldn't do that to my car.

I was trying to decide whether I should turn into, like, a fun like rally off course, off-road thing, or just keep it as a streetcar. But if I wanted to what are some

of the basics if I wanted to maybe, move it up to, maybe a Cayenne level to where we can, maybe, Clear.

What are some of the things I need to do?

And in explain to me what this whole 33:37 all that stuff is, yeah, that one's easy. That's just the diameter of your

tire. So, 30, or 33 inches is a 33

inch diameter Tire. Okay.

So it's straight and simple and the it's funny because the metric or the other system that you know, I have.

I it's out of my hands. I don't know when somebody goes

I got to 70 75 17s. I'm like I type it into Google

and go. I would convert that to inches.

Like what it is that you know. Let's see.

So in regards to going off-roading.

I well first of all, I'd highly suggest if you're considering changing your room sighs to go to 17 because there's more tires available for a 17 inch wheel. Okay, then an 8 inch 18 inch,

okay. And then yeah and if you go down

to 65 or 16, there's still there's just more variety of opportunity for a 17 inch wheel, and I don't know why that is.

I think a lot of people go that in that area.

When you get up to a 40 inch of then people start going to 20s or right, you know, even a 42-inch not trying to do Bigfoot or bear claw. Whatever those things.

Yeah, sure, right. If you're going off-roading, a

really well. First that's the first thing.

I always tell people to do is protection armor.

You know, either bumpers Rock, sliders or skid plates underneath your vehicle, because then you're a little bit more Fearless than trying to go somewhere.

Because if you have a skid plate underneath you, you're not going to be concerned about rolling over a rock and coming down on your transmission, you know, and never loyal.

Feel drivetrains. Exactly.

Or breaking into the oil pan if you don't have ifs.

Let's see. So then in regards to then

lifting your vehicle, you know you do want bigger tires and to fit bigger tires, Have to add a lift.

Typically, if you're going to change your tire size, I don't know what you have in, you know, your metric side is so your, I bet I'm guessing you're somewhere around 30 ones, maybe even slightly smaller, but if you're going to lower your rim size the benefit, is you get more rubber right between the rim and the top of the tire, or the rim in the bottom of the tire. And so, then we are down like

lower than anybody ever thinks to.

I typically, my tires are weird. I have load range e tires on a

really lightweight truck and no bead locks, which is a mechanical, mechanical way that we pinch the outside bead of a tire on the exterior the rim. But then we have a metal piece

that you seal, that the tire to the wheel.

So that if you are down to like 5 PSI, it's not going to come off. Um, oh yeah, yeah.

And then like Hummers have a double beadlock.

So the inner and outer get locked into place, but most most Wheels when you say it's a beadlock Wheels, only the exterior, bead that's locking into place.

My, I don't know why it works, but my load range e, Toyo Tires.

I take them down to 5 PSI, no bead locks, and they hold on, and I wouldn't suggest most people do that.

But for some reason, it works on my rig.

But if you're taking your rig off and you have like little little tiny rubber, Band tires. You know, you can tear down to

you can do shit 2015, 10 psi, because then you're just going to bounce onto your rims. So the more rubber you can get

between your wheel it starts and then the softer you can make it, it starts acting as another level of suspension.

Sure. So you got the, your wheel tire

combo taking some of the bouncing away and then you, then you go into your suspension working as a suspension and softening your ride from there, too.

Two. A vehicle specific application

or a universal because I know that there's a lot of vehicle specific things for off-roading. But in some cases there isn't, I

know in the aftermarket car world, you know, universal applications are kind of frowned upon for a lot of things because they're Universal. So you never know how, well

they're made, what you have to drill into them.

And if you have to drill into them and you kind of sacrifice the structural Integrity little bit versus things that are vehicle specific, but I mean, are there any universal brands that you've seen that? You're like oh all right, that's

all you got. That's cool.

Or is this kind of like if it's not vehicle-specific, fine or other vehicle in regards to what Avenue?

I mean, are we talking about suspension like adding suspension lowering this rate, we're not luring raising kits, you know, hide stuff like that because I've looking for, and I'm like, you know, I've had a buddy.

Say, we're just look for this brand.

I'm like, I typed in my vehicle for that brand and it came up, but then when I looked it was Universal, so I was kind of like, I don't know if I want to mess with that.

Yeah, I don't deal with universal stuff that often I think most of the vehicles that I I do work on is like they are specifically made for lifting that vehicle, you know?

And a lot of trucks have specific lift kits for them.

You know, I think you're an interesting going an interesting Direction where you're trying to possibly lift.

Lift a vehicle that typically is a never lifted, right?

You know, I think most people take your vehicle and want to slam it down and put it on air bags or something and, you know, throw Sparks out the back of it when they're dragging trailers or a tail or something like that, you know?

So I think you might only your only opportunity might be a universal kit because nobody probably make something for it.

Should I cause? Yeah, I've done a lot of

research and as far as a skid plates and things that's something I would probably Probably have to pay a fabricator good money to take care of for me because I just haven't seen a lot. Sometimes you can borrow things

from other vehicles and kind of fabricate it to fit yours, you know, you're a fabrication guy. You know what are some of the

things you've had to fabricate that you could have bought?

Or would you if you could buy it, you rather just buy it?

Not fabricated. Yeah, I usually I have this

argument with Tyler my co-host quite often.

I would buy something that's already done because it just saves me time. Yeah, we're fabricating is fun

and it, you learn when every single time you fabricate something, but people have designed things specifically, for whatever you're buying. And they've already done a lot

of the legwork for you. And for me, it's always, it just

is somewhat. Stir and saves me time if I just

buy it and get it and then I can move on to the next little project. So I always I had I usually lean

towards the purchase overbuild, if it's available for me, so if I want to, I want to find. I've decided, I've decided on

that trail. We went to the Sheep bridge, I

kept talking to the driver, we were laughing about the whole time them feel like we spent an hour saying Street build, off-road, build. And we all decided the next time

we do this, we're just going to run it.

Bunch of like razors and just because people are flying past us in those. But if I wanted to just pick up

a sidecar, what should I get? What?

You know what? What are the three vehicles I

should look at because everybody's learning the secret.

Now, prices are going up. And just like I said earlier,

this is uku Suzuki what I saw the sidekick, but it's really the samurai, which by the way, is a sidekick, kind of like the.

That was like the primary competitor.

I think, too, like the Geo Tracker.

Yeah, there are like super similar.

I think they might even have shared part of the plot of the Samurai looks kind of like a micro Wrangler.

Yeah. Yeah, I think geo geo platform,

like least the rights to use some part of Suzuki's platform for that collaboration. Probably they were very similar

back in the day when I was in high school.

Like that's what? All the all the chicks had that

it was like, oh cool. She's gonna track her.

She has a Miata, you know? Yeah, yeah.

We'll give me a price range. What I mean if you were going to

say, go out and buy, I want to draw a bar and Randall, somebody on probably a project, someone's probably bailed on that.

Probably all I'm going to be able to do and then from there, I'm going to scale up. Obviously, sure.

Okay, I would definitely look into, you know, for five grand, you're going to find a junker. Sure, Steve all, you know,

they're especially now their prices are so high on anything.

That's somewhat decent. You know, you're going to find

something that's going to need a lot of, a lot of love.

So I would, I mean, I would look for a Toyota.

Sure. That's what I would look for,

and if you can I mean, the golden year on a Toyota, which you will never find for 5, grand is a 1985 or night, scuse me.

Yeah, 1985 Toyota pickup because that was the last year of the solid front axle. And that's the first year that

they came out with fuel injection.

That's the back of the future truck, I think.

Yeah, I think I need to confirm this, but I do think that the Back to the Future truck was a 2nd gen and I think it was an 86, okay? Because the movie came out in 85

and it was brand-new so it probably wasn't 86, but But yeah, I'm not, I need to look. I want it.

I shouldn't I should know that answer but I would also say look at a Cherokee because an older school for L.

Cherokee those for deleted or Motors will never die.

There are phenomenal motor. The only reason that I know of

that, the reason or that they stopped making that for leaders because it was not feasible for smog anymore, but it's an excellent motor and it's bomb proof.

So those old-school Cherokees are Good.

They also come with a solid axle up into, you know, for for men.

I think they only ever made them in solid axle.

I don't think of Cherokee had independent suspension and so I like solid axles mainly. It's a rougher ride, but the way

that it works is when one tire is going up, the axles forcing the other Tire down. Hmm.

And so when you lift a tire or you're climbing a wall or a rock rip because of the force The force is pushing the other tired down onto the ground, so you can continue to get traction and continue to move. We're independent, you might

limit some of your, you know, you might be lifting and it's lifting your vehicle off the ground.

That only that one tire is lifting but it you might not be getting all that Force being pushing downwards on the other side. So, I'm a fan of solid axles.

Now, solid independent suspension is way smoother of a ride on I roads or you know desert out in the middle of nowhere it's definitely hands down a better ride quality.

It's just if you want to level up, your rock crawling game.

You're going to be looking for solid axles.

I had a 2000 Cherokee sport that I fucking hated.

Yeah. I added my very first vehicle

when I was starting to learn how to drive was a like a 1984 85 Cherokee. This is an original blank

Cherokee. And it was at we turned that.

Like it was my parents vehicle, right?

But that we've literally turned that vehicle into the government as a lemon like they gave us. They paid us to take the vehicle

off the road, it was so bad and then we ended up getting a 90.

Toyota pickup V6 with a 3-0 and that's where my session - Latoya has came from Mmm. Yeah, I had one wheel that spun.

And when I put it in like all wheel drive or whatever, mode it just made this loudest noise. So I never kept it in there for

more than three seconds because I probably bought it busted, but I don't know if that's just the way they were supposed to be loud obnoxious. I wouldn't think so.

Now now they're not while they're not supposed.

I'd made a lot of noise. Well, and that's that shit

Opera, you know, that's another thing that people don't really think about. They say, you know, like, if you

just go out and you buy, you know, you get an old-school Cherokee, you know, when you're in two-wheel drive, you really only are in one wheel drive, right?

You know, you have one wheel pushing it and depending on what you have in the differential that I talked about earlier, if you typically, there are open carrier so it's only pushing on one side. Well, when you put it into

4-wheel drive, yeah, it's now you got power going to the front but you you still only are one wheel drive in the front.

So you're only technically two, wheels pushing and that's when you need to really start adding the you know positraction or Locker up in the front to get you get you all the the tires spinning at once or you can do some break tricks like Putting putting some power down to putting some brake pressure on and I'll start throwing power to the other side because it's locking them up. So yeah, I had to sell it

because my son started driving and we lived in Michigan, and I was like, this guy's gonna kill himself in this car.

I can't. I can't even go around the

corner and there's one wheel because someone had lifted.

It, it looked awesome, but it just didn't is Justin and I know shit. So maybe had to get her in and

pull like a link thing out. And maybe it would have been

doing the, the off-road. I have no idea, or maybe someone

just built it to make it look cool.

And I know, No idea what they were doing.

That's usually the case tell us about snail armor really quick, is that all you hear? There's a lot of stuff that you

have. Like, I think this is this guy.

I think this is this guy's man. Yeah, snail armor is me.

So there's another company out there and I'll just you know that makes a plastic tailgate cover and I didn't want plastic.

I thought it was. I thought I'd just I use my

tailgate as a tailgate and I use.

My truck is a truck and so I made an aluminum.

Mm replacement for the wavy plastic tailgates for Tacomas because it I use I go out camping.

You know, I use it as a workbench.

I just you know use the tailgate all the time and the way Venus of a tailgate, the tailgate panels that they put their on the Tacoma. Just it was horrible.

I had my camp stoves feet where the perfectly wrong, length to sit on the high side of the of that section.

It was always at a funky angles sliding off.

And so, I drew up a pattern and got some aluminum.

My buddy had an aluminum cut out for me, and we started making prototypes, and I posted up on social media and well, I got a powder code, but then I posted up on social media and people are like, hey, that's cool. I want one and it sort of

snowballed from there. And now, you know, I'm selling I

have 3rd gen Tacoma 2nd gen Tacomas and 2nd gen Tundras tailgate panels and I'm about to come out with Is Jen forerunners 2nd gen forerunners and Gladiators?

Those will probably be out in a matter of months.

So I would think at this point you went from fabricating, it yourself to. Now you have people who can

fabricate it for you, using your design.

Yeah, yeah exactly. I work with a company down in

l.a. that laser cuts the panels out and then and they buy the

aluminum and everything for me. So they get that done, they ship

it up, here up to Northern California and I have another off-road company that is in the area that does all the powder coating for me and then it comes back to me and I do the laser etching on the panel. And I do custom laser etching

whenever people reach out to me and say like, I want my own Instagram handle on there or I'm I'm a big fan of, you know, Pokemon or whatever. And then they want some design

on there, that's some Pokemon logo.

And, you know, I just recently bought a laser at your that's really massive and I can do pretty much almost at you the entire panel now. So you know, I've been doing

some really intricate cool designs lately and people can buy those at where. Yeah, you can go to snail

armor.com and check out what's available for you and if you

want A custom one. It's probably best just to email

me and you can email me at Jimmy at snail Trail 4 by 4.com that I

said earlier and then we can work for, you know, forward on the design that you would like the hard part is people will like just straight up. Send me a JPEG picture, you

know, if like a thousand colors and different Fades and things like that and it doesn't, I can't at you that it needs to be straight-up black and white, you know, hard Lines, no, no grayscale or anything it just, you know, because all the laser does is it's just removing the paint and exposing the aluminum, that's undiscovered. Basically be a coloring book

drawing. Yeah, right.

It's just black lines and blank space for you to scribble across. If you're three years old.

Yeah I'm I am working on trying to figure out if I can shoot some grayscale. It's got now that I got a really

fun laser. I'm figuring out how to take the

laser beam, which, you know, is a super thin.

But I'm trying to figure out how to fade it, down to nothing.

Mmm. And see if I can start to create

like, have it not completely. In the paint away at some points

and see if I can figure out how to make grayscale happen.

I'm also in talks with a silk screener and possibly be able to put color back onto the panel as well.

That's interesting. Hey Jimmy, thank you for your

time today. I think you for your patience as

well. Yeah, no problem.

And we'll be talking to you soon.

I'll probably going to bug you a little bit more about this and if anyone has any questions, I'll make sure I send them to you. Congratulations on all your

success. Congratulations on doing

something that you can call your own with the snail armor.

And whoever knows, however, many things you guys have going, is this what you guys do now, essentially, or do you have like a nine-to-five Yeah. No, this is this is it.

I do snail armor and snail Trail 4 by 4 even though I haven't released a video in a while. Just life's been getting busy.

I got married in the last year's that.

Thank you. That.

Now I have other responsibilities than sitting in the shop and plane and then the podcast and then my co-host Tyler makes morph late, which is a four tire inflation.

Deflation I seen that too. Yeah, you just hook it all up to

the tires and turn a ball valve and it, lets all The air out at once and then you can go and hang out with your friends and talk to them while your vehicle's airing down, and you can bother them and ask them why they're leaning over our tire, and having to work on one tire at a time and, or pulling valve cores out. And, and then on the way, you

know, the opposite side, you just connect it to all four tires and then put the air compressor to it and there's all four of them up at the same time, equalizes the tires.

So it's actually I'm working a talking with another YouTuber Blake's garage. He does a lot of BMW racing Auto

This kind of stuff. And I am trying to see if this

might be of interest to him because it would equalizes the tires better and it would make them exactly the same PSI so that when he's driving around corners, it's you know, he doesn't know if one Tire's slightly lower than another tire. And we're going to play with

that and see if that benefits him one way or another.

But yeah, so that's that's Tyler's gig.

He does more flights and then jun's me on the podcast and I do the snail are more snail trail videos and the podcast as well and these are we've now moved away from our date.

Jobs. And this is our full gig.

Yeah, it's great are the heterosexual power couple Livin.

The dream, Jimmy, Jimmy Jet, how can we get a hold of you?

Mainly the best way probably is on Instagram, snail, Trail 4 by 4. If you want to email me, if

you're not a social media person you can email me to Jimmy at snail. Trail 4 by 4.com.

Thanks Jimmy. Yes, absolutely.

Thanks for having me on. This was a lot of fun.

What are they Jimmy for coming on?

Awesome, guys. Had a good time.

But yeah, we he's right, we met in clubhouse and just kind of followed each other nodes, it's kind of embarrassing because I was like, hey, you know, I did the off-road thing I want to hit up, who do I know, who do I know.

Yeah, snail Trail, duh, and I went to the DMS and it was like, there's like a calendar year ago, write him up last and told him that I would like to collab. Fortunately, he was still down.

He's like, dude, let's do it. And I love that attitude because

if I were him I'd be like. Dude, screw you, you ask me like

a year ago. I told you I was down and now

you want me on your show FR Broski, but I was super cool and I can't wait to talk to him again.

I have questions especially after this last weekend's, we recorded that a few weeks ago. But man, it's funny because I

decided to make the infinity streetcar after bouncing around with Yoshi and his Tacoma. And I bang my My head up against

the side of the truck because I just wasn't paying attention.

When he went over the Rock. At the time, we had a good laugh

about it, but it was it hurt. We decided that day.

No, off-road. Fuck that.

We're getting razors. We're getting can am's moving

forward. We're going to pay the two or

$300 a day, wherever much, however, much it costs, and that's what we're going to do. We're gonna have a lot better

time. But I keep finding myself

looking, especially after talking to Jimmy.

Now, I'm looking at, you know, 17-inch Wheels.

Because before I was looking at, like, 15, 16 18 inch because my car is 21s. The infinity comes with stock 20

ones. And I am just it's hard after

getting beat up yet you're still looking you're looking at the Wheels online you're looking at 33 and the 36 inch tires and you know get that Universal lift kit because there is there really is no aftermarket and I posed a question online and one of the people are like, oh, you need is a Rubicon and you need this.

I'm like, bro, I don't have it like that, where I wasn't asking. Hey, guys, what should I get?

It's more functional. Offroad.

My Infinity, which is basically A Streetcar.

There's a ton of it first off. I wouldn't I wouldn't buy

Rubicon. Sure.

They're cool. They're obviously capable, I

don't get it. Toyota your 4Runner.

Tacoma got to get with the pros. Got but then you can't get

something you care too much about because the guys who are really into it. They can't care about that shit.

You replace. You get the, like you said, the

rock guard on the bottom, to prevent your, your oil pan from getting punctured and leaving you stranded.

You got to get shit to protect your sides.

I mean, Eric lost a few trim pieces, in his Porsche Cayenne, which by the way, speaking of Porsche Cayenne afterwards, when we got done, Jimmy said, you know what?

The video you showed the story of the Porsche Cayenne that is one vehicle that I am super impressed with that I never would have thought could have done even the things that it did with you guys. So That's, that's a vehicle that

he was super impressed with it. Typically, you would think could

do some of this stuff. Throw that in there.

Yeah, you got to get all this stuff in the infinity doesn't have it. But when you, when you get the

new, you get the steel fabricator front bumper, and the rear bumper, and you get the winch and you get the rock guards on the sides, whatever they're called.

You can't care that much about your vehicle.

If you care about the pain, you better ppf that shit because when you're driving you have to decide.

Am I going to go over the cliff or am I going to brush up against as dry as tree and this dead-ass branch on the road?

And no one's going off. That Cliff my stuff has

scratches on it from last December or November.

When I went off, roading, when I was the one that was keeping, everybody holding everybody up because my car wasn't made for this shit, although we made it through.

You got a ppf decides when keep your paint nice or good or vehicle that you just can't tear it care that much about.

You're going to put a lot more money into your suspension, in your setup and you are your actual vehicle.

That's the way to go. Getting ready to go out of town,

thinking about taking the show on the road, let me know.

Should I take it on the road? Should I take my microphone?

It's been a long time since I've recorded a podcast episode in our hotel room. I originally was doing that.

That's how I passed the time. That's how this podcast started

and it's shitty quality shooting audio, but I do have a supreme microphone. I have much better equipment

now. But you need to tell me you need

something fast. So I'm leaving Thursday morning.

Should I take my microphone? Should I take my recording

equipment with me, or should I drop some of the old episodes as Classics? I have not taken a podcast break

since I started doing this weekly every week, I get my podcasts out on Monday morning or in this case, Tuesday, because of the holiday. Let me know I'll broadcast at

gmail.com, let me know. If just five people reach out

and say take your show on the road, I'll do it.

I take my show on the road, where am I going Toronto will be in Toronto for two and a half weeks, Toronto Canada Toronto, Ontario will be visiting Bob chatt.

That's right. Bob chatt.

Who've heard on this show and I will be going to his house to record in his studio for his show.

We're going to spend the day together.

They date with Bob chatt. Mr. Bob Marshall, that's going

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So, let's do this. Let's do this thing together and

maybe I'll talk to you all next week.

Maybe we'll get the best of show up.

To you. A beater.

Shut up.

SnailTrail4x4 with Jimmy Jet

Ford Maverick

BMW 320I

Toyota Tundra

Toyota Land Cruiser

Toyota RAV4

Toyota Camry

Toyota Hilux

Wrangler Rubicon

Challenger Hellcat

Jeep Cherokee

Suzuki Samurai

Jeep Wrangler

Ford Bronco

Ford Rangers

Chrysler PT Cruiser

Toyota FJ Cruiser

Infiniti Fx

Porsche Cayenne

Byd Seal

Mazda MX-5 / Miata

Toyota A90

Toyota Tacoma

Toyota 4Runner

Nsx Type S

911 Porsche Gt3

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