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Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom

Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom

The War on Cars Apr 28, 2026 42 min
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About this episode

Alice Ferguson and Tim Gill make a forceful case for treating streets as places where children should be able to play, move, and socialize freely. Drawing on their paper, they argue that a “child lens” would transform transport policy by prioritizing health, safety, and everyday mobility over car dominance. The conversation covers child pedestrian deaths, media victim-blaming, the mental and physical health impacts of car-centric streets, and how listening to children’s own wishes points toward safer, more playful neighborhoods.

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Upway

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Upway is a website/app for e-bike deals. They help you sell your old bike by giving you an offer and arranging pickup, and they also sell used e-bikes that are “certified pre-owned.”

Topic

The War on Cars

"This is the War on Cars. I'm Sarah Goodyear. Today we're going to be talking with some guests who want us to look at our streets in a radically different way, as a place for children to grow and thrive."

This is the podcast’s name and the show’s framing: it critiques car dominance in public space and argues for alternatives that improve streets for people. In this episode, that framing is applied to children’s play and mobility.

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children's outdoor play and mobility

"a world where children are free to play out in the streets of their communities with their friends. Her work includes research, writing, policy, campaigning, and international speaking around the topic of children's rights in the built environment."

“Outdoor play and mobility” refers to how children can safely move around and spend time outside—walking, playing, and interacting with friends in their neighborhoods. The segment ties this to street design and policy choices that either enable or restrict kids’ independence.

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built environment

"Her work includes research, writing, policy, campaigning, and international speaking around the topic of children's rights in the built environment. Tim Gill is a researcher, writer, and independent scholar based in London and a global advocate for children's outdoor play and mobility."

“Built environment” refers to the physical spaces people live in—like streets, sidewalks, parks, and buildings—and how they’re designed. In the segment, it’s used to connect children’s rights to how communities plan and build places for daily life.

Topic

Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom

"Together they've written a paper called Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom, How a Child Lens Would Transform Transport Policy. We'll get to that in a moment, but first we have some quick business to take care of."

They’re talking about a specific paper with a big idea: look at streets through what children need. The goal is to change how transportation policy is made so kids can play and move around more freely.

Concept

child lens

"I think what's so really wonderful about it is it's predicated on looking at things through [270.2s] what you call a child lens. [272.6s] You call it a radical view in the paper, so maybe you could explain why that's a radical"

A “child lens” is just a way of thinking about streets and transportation from a kid’s point of view. It asks: is it safe and easy for children to get around, or are they being overlooked?

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streets and transport

"And what we've seen is that children routinely just get forgotten within thinking about built [302.4s] environment policy more widely and particularly in thinking about streets and transport. [308.8s] And what the paper says is that this blind spot around children has actually had a massive"

“Streets and transport” is basically how people get around in a city—on foot, by bike, by bus/train, or by car. The discussion is saying that if streets aren’t designed with kids in mind, it can hurt their safety and health.

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everyday mobility and spatial freedom

"Children's health is in crisis and enabling their everyday mobility and spatial freedom is a significant part of the solution."

It means kids should be able to get around and play in their area without feeling unsafe or blocked. When streets are designed better, it’s easier for them to walk or bike and be active every day.

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mental health outcomes

"that we're setting them up for a lifetime of bad health outcomes, mental health outcomes."

They’re saying that when kids can’t move around freely, it can affect how they feel mentally. Less activity and less independence can contribute to worse mental well-being.

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children being a kind of indicator species for cities

"I'm reminded of the quote from Enrique Penalosa, the former mayor of Bogotá, who talked about children being a kind of indicator species for cities."

It’s a way of saying that how well kids do in a city shows whether the city is working for people. If kids can’t move safely and freely, it’s a sign the city design needs improvement.

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childhood obesity

"The indicators for their physical health, their levels of physical activity, levels of childhood obesity, and also mental health..."

Childhood obesity is a health problem where kids carry too much body fat. The transcript links it to whether kids can be active—something that depends a lot on how safe and walkable their streets are.

Concept

reducing the dominance of the car

"And turning that around, reducing the dominance of the car, creating neighborhoods where it's easier for children to play outside and to get around."

This means designing neighborhoods so cars aren’t the main thing taking up space and attention. Instead, streets are made safer and easier for kids to walk, play, and move around. The idea is that when cars are less dominant, kids spend more time outside.

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neighborhoods where it's easier for children to play outside and to get around

"creating neighborhoods where it's easier for children to play outside and to get around. Those are neighborhoods where children's health outcomes are improved, where children are happier, they're more active, they're spending more time outdoors,"

They’re describing neighborhoods designed to make it safer and easier for kids to be active. When streets feel safer, kids can play outside and move around more freely. That leads to healthier routines.

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child pedestrians and cyclists

"Worldwide, you write 75,000 child pedestrians and cyclists, age zero to 19, are killed by motorists each year. And that can be really hard to take in."

They’re talking about kids who are walking or riding bikes. The point is that cars can be deadly for them, especially when streets aren’t designed for people on foot or bicycles. Safer street design can help prevent those tragedies.

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motorists

"Worldwide, you write 75,000 child pedestrians and cyclists, age zero to 19, are killed by motorists each year. And that can be really hard to take in."

“Motorists” just means drivers. Here, they’re pointing out that crashes involving cars can be deadly for kids walking or biking. It’s part of the argument for safer streets.

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public health movements

"These are all things that we have big public health movements about to protect children. And sometimes I think that it's just almost too much for people to realize..."

Public health movements are big efforts to prevent injuries and save lives. Here, it’s about tackling car-related harm to kids with changes that society can make, not just telling people to be careful.

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motor normativity

"I mean, it doesn't get the same amount of attention in the media, not even close to other things that impact children, which is part of this motor normativity."

It means society acts like driving and car traffic are just “how things are,” not something we should question. When that happens, people may ignore the harm cars can cause, even to kids.

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collateral damage

"But, you know, almost the child death side of it is seen as collateral damage to something that is seen as non-negotiable in our lives."

They’re saying the harm to kids is treated like an unfortunate side effect of driving, rather than something we should work to prevent. It’s like people accept it because they don’t want to change how society is set up.

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collusion reporting guidelines

"...thanks to the efforts of people like Laura Laker, who we've had on the show, to talk about, you know, collusion reporting guidelines that she helped to create to help journalists not fall into these traps."

These are rules for journalists about how to write stories responsibly. They’re meant to avoid wording that can mislead people or make the situation seem simpler than it is.

Term

the child darted out into traffic

"I always am particularly angered by the phrase, the child darted out into traffic... because, first of all, children are supposed to dart."

It’s a wording journalists sometimes use that makes it sound like the child’s sudden move is the main reason for a crash. Critics say that can unfairly blame kids instead of looking at safer driving and safer street design.

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collision partner

"...you cite an occasion, the phrase collision partner. Can you tell me about that particular phrase because that really just jumped out at me."

“Collision partner” is a more neutral way researchers talk about who was involved in a crash. Instead of saying someone “caused” it, it focuses on the fact that two things collided.

Concept

child road death (pedestrian and all child road death)

"...It was in the context of an academic research project that's looking at the causes of child's road death, not just pedestrian, but all child road death."

They’re talking about studying why kids die in traffic, not just one type of crash. The idea is to understand the bigger safety picture—like street design and driving conditions—so prevention can improve.

Concept

victim blaming mentality

"But it just highlighted the depth of this kind of victim blaming mentality. And I think with children, particularly, it does seem to be almost more powerful."

“Victim blaming” means people act like the person who got hurt did something wrong. In road crashes, that can distract from the real causes, like unsafe driving or dangerous roads.

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child road victims

"So we do talk about that in the paper as well, the particular language that's used around child road victims. And we also drew heavily on the work of Peter Norton showing how this way of understanding road danger..."

This is about how people talk about kids who are hurt or killed in traffic. The wording can make it seem like the parents or the child caused the danger, instead of looking at unsafe driving or road problems.

Concept

road danger responsibilities

"...showing how this way of understanding road danger and in particular the kind of who's to blame relative responsibilities didn't come out of nowhere... it was imposed on society by the motor industry and motor forces"

They’re talking about how society decides who is responsible when road crashes happen. The point is that those ideas didn’t just appear on their own—they were influenced by powerful interests.

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motor age

"right back at the dawn of the motor age in the 1920s. All of the key questions that we're talking about right now about"

“Motor age” just means the era when cars became common and started shaping how cities and streets work. The hosts are using it to talk about how car traffic changed safety and laws over time.

Term

motordom

"there was moral outrage at the level of what was called motordom was causing all these deaths. And yet within a few short years that was completely turned around"

“Motordom” is an old-fashioned term for the culture and industry surrounding motor vehicles. In the episode, it’s used to describe how early car-related deaths sparked public backlash and moral outrage.

Concept

corporate capture

"And yet within a few short years that was completely turned around through a process of corporate capture. And just because that corporate capture happened a hundred years ago,"

“Corporate capture” means big companies end up steering the rules instead of the public interest. The hosts are arguing that this affected how car safety issues were handled.

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wicked act and its children

"with the long shadow cast by that wicked act and its children who have been and are now still hit the hardest. They used to be literally hit in huge numbers."

This is a metaphor: the hosts are saying one harmful decision led to other problems over time. They’re emphasizing that the consequences can last for years or even generations.

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side effects of a car dominated world

"The side effects that we're talking about are two sides of the same coin. For most of the first 50, 60 years of the motor age, children were harmed directly and brutally and instantly"

The hosts mean that when a city is built around cars, people can get hurt in ways beyond just a single crash. They’re talking about how everyday street conditions can make children and other vulnerable people less safe.

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street safety perception reducing independent travel

"to children and parents that streets are not safe, suitable places for children. If a child is is hit or killed, it's essentially their fault shifting the focus and responsibility onto children..."

They’re describing how people start to believe streets aren’t safe, so kids don’t feel able to go out on their own. That fear changes how families move around.

Concept

car-dependent parenting

"And I think parents have absorbed the idea that to be a good parent means if you have the money and, you know, you own a car and then to drive them to places. And that's the way to keep your child safe..."

They’re talking about how some parents feel they have to use a car to keep kids safe. Instead of kids walking around their neighborhood, adults drive them everywhere.

Concept

car ownership as a gatekeeper to mobility

"Firstly, not everybody does have a car. And so a lot of children are just essentially trapped and stuck inside and not able to to go anywhere."

They’re saying that if you don’t have a car, it’s harder for kids to get around on their own. That can keep them from exploring their neighborhood and doing normal everyday things.

Concept

independent mobility for children

"are missing out on everyday outdoor freedom and independence and being able to get around their own neighbourhoods."

They’re talking about kids being able to move around their neighborhood by themselves. If cars dominate the streets or it feels dangerous, kids lose that independence.

Concept

Jane Jacobs

"Jane Jacobs, I think, was very eloquent about this in the death of the life of great American cities, that in a way what makes cities work at all is that people find a way of getting along with each other and sharing these places,"

Jane Jacobs was a writer who studied how neighborhoods work. She argued that cities succeed when people can interact naturally on streets and in shared public spaces.

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death of the life of great American cities

"Jane Jacobs, I think, was very eloquent about this in the death of the life of great American cities, that in a way what makes cities work at all is that people find a way of getting along with each other and sharing these places,"

That phrase is the title of a famous book by Jane Jacobs. The hosts are using it to talk about how city planning and modern habits can reduce the lively, social street life that neighborhoods need.

Concept

passenger seat of a car

"And all of that is at risk in a world where children are essentially spending their entire lives, either indoors or in the passenger seat of a car."

It means kids aren’t getting much practice being around other people in public spaces. Instead, they’re often sitting in a car, which limits opportunities to learn independence and social skills the way walking around does.

Brand

Rover 2.0 rain cape

"That's why I always take my cleverhood with me when I head out. Cleverhood's stylish designs, like the Rover 2.0 rain cape, will keep you dry and visible no matter what's in the forecast,"

This is a rain poncho/cape product being advertised in the middle of the episode. It’s mentioned as something to stay dry when you’re out and about.

Brand

cleverhood

"That's why I always take my cleverhood with me when I head out. Cleverhood's stylish designs, like the Rover 2.0 rain cape, will keep you dry and visible no matter what's in the forecast,"

Cleverhood is a company making rain gear and similar items. The ad is basically saying to bring it along so you’re prepared when you go out.

Concept

life after cars

"We talk about the whole idea of life after cars is a provocation and an invitation, but it's a necessary provocation because nobody remembers what life before cars was."

They’re talking about what life could look like if we didn’t depend on cars so much. The idea is that safer, more walkable neighborhoods can change how people live and how kids grow up.

Concept

car-free lifestyle

"...a really interesting study showing that there is a lot of demand hidden in the US population for car-free lifestyle. 20% of the people that they surveyed had a strong interest in living car-free."

They’re discussing living without using a car for everyday trips. The hosts say research found many people are interested in that kind of lifestyle.

Concept

public transit use as children

"...one of the strongest predictors was had people experienced public transit use as children, had they experienced being able to use bicycles as children for transportation."

They’re saying that if you used buses or trains when you were a kid, you’re more likely to want a car-free lifestyle later. Early experience can make it feel normal and doable.

Concept

use bicycles as children for transportation

"...had they experienced being able to use bicycles as children for transportation. Maybe you could talk about the generational loss that's happening..."

They’re talking about kids being able to bike to get around. If that’s part of your childhood, you may be more comfortable living with less reliance on cars later.

Concept

generational loss

"Maybe you could talk about the generational loss that's happening and how parents don't really know how to do this anymore..."

They mean that younger parents may not have the same experience or know-how for letting kids get around without cars. So the ability to do it safely and confidently can fade over time.

Topic

playing out movement

"...and that was the seed of starting the playing out movement, was talking to other parents of my generation who felt the same way..."

They mention a movement called “playing out” that tries to bring back the kind of neighborhood freedom kids used to have. It’s about changing how kids spend time and move around locally.

Concept

walk and bike

"So we have some stuff in the report about children's participation and getting, giving children a bigger voice and taking seriously what they say about being able to walk and bike."

“Walk and bike” is about making it easy and safe to get around without a car. That often means safer streets for crossing and places for bikes to ride.

Topic

Great Nighten

"So that was one that I visited last year and I was really interested. It's called Great Nighten and it's a big district, sort of on the outskirts of Cambridge..."

Great Nighten is an example neighborhood near Cambridge that the speaker visited. It’s used to show how planning can make it easier and safer for kids and families to get around without relying on cars.

Concept

child-friendly

"It's called Great Nighten and it's a big district, sort of on the outskirts of Cambridge. It's not London, that's really important... this district has been developed partly inspired by the vision of being child-friendly, of being family-friendly, of having less emphasis on car mobility and car storage."

“Child-friendly” means the neighborhood is designed so kids can be safer and more independent. It usually involves making streets less focused on cars so kids can walk and bike more easily.

Concept

pedestrian networks

"...playing out in the streets and the pedestrian networks in this town. There are streets that it's clearly impossible to drive down..."

Pedestrian networks are basically the walking routes in a neighborhood—sidewalks and safe crossings that connect places. The goal is to make it easier for people to walk instead of needing a car.

Concept

system solutions to these system problems

"...it shows that there are system solutions to these system problems and that they can actually be quite general."

The speaker is saying the problem isn’t just one thing—it’s the whole setup of how streets and neighborhoods are designed and managed. Fixing the system can change how people drive and how safe the streets feel.

Concept

traffic calming

"...by having fewer cars, slower cars, less space for car storage, more space for people to get out and play..."

Traffic calming means changing roads so cars slow down and don’t dominate the street. It often uses design tricks and signs to make it safer for people walking and playing.

Concept

car storage

"...by having fewer cars, slower cars, less space for car storage, more space for people to get out and play..."

Car storage is the space used for parking and keeping cars. If you take away some of that space, you can use it for people—like sidewalks, play areas, and safer crossings.

Concept

changes in the law

"...also as part of that we also talk about, you know, changes in the law and speed and some of that."

The speaker means rules and policies can be changed to make streets safer and less car-focused. That can include things like speed rules or how cars are allowed to use certain roads.

Concept

15-minute cities

"...These people are trying to hurt us into 15-minute cities. And, you know, the culture war is something that we are just running up against all the time in this work."

A “15-minute city” means you can do most things you need without driving far—like getting to school, shops, or parks. It usually relies on safer streets for walking and biking and less car dependence.

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