Stylish New Sentra, Off-Roading Gladiator, Corolla Cross Updates, Porsche Keeps Gas Engines

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All right, so kicking things off is probably not the most exciting car. Either of us drove this week, but probably the most important. And that is the refreshed Corolla Cross hybrid. Or just Corolla Cross internal, I guess. Just Corolla Cross. Yeah, I did drive both. And I drove them at a racetrack. I did not drive them on track.

Did you take the super off road after I did. Yeah, and now Toyota won't answer my calls. I don't know what's wrong. So yes, so I drove the 2026 Corolla Cross. It was interesting because the only all wheel drive ones there were the hybrid.

We did not get to drive the all wheel drive gas model. It was a front drive.

It was, look, it's a pretty minor refresh, especially in the case of the gas model. It looks more or less the same as before. There are some tweaks to the styling, but the interior sees more tech.

And a redesign center console, which was something that we criticized a lot before because it felt very low rent in that category. And so now it feels a little more premium.

The hybrid is still in my mind the way to go because you're getting 42 miles per gallon combined. And that is a number that I was easily able to match in the hilly areas around snow. So it's still got the same drawbacks that you would say for the Corolla Cross.

It's launched a few years ago. The backseat's a little tight storage space is only okay. But and pricing is now higher. So this is not a cheap vehicle.

But again, in my mind, if you're buying something in this category, I imagine you care about value and the fuel economy advantages with the hybrid just make it such an obvious choice for me.

This is the gas model you and I both driven the gas, and it's it's got less. It's it's not fun to drive in any way, where the hybrid actually feels a little more refined and powerful.

So it's a win.

Yeah, and the suspension feels better. Maybe that actually wait. So before just quickly for you move on, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the tweaks to the front.

It's more line with Toyota's sort of hybrid EV styling as opposed to how it used to look like a bit of a baby rap for.

Yes, now it has the cheese grater lower bumper, which is what we saw in the crowned signature. I think it looks pretty good. I really like cavalry blue.

And then the funny little fact that we all noticed with the gas bottles, they're all sold red. They're Mazda red. And it's because this is built at the joint facility with Mazda. So they share a paint shop.

It's sold red on a Corolla cross and you can get Toyota's Cypress, which is a nice medium darkness screen. You can get that on the CX 50.

That's good. So everything. Yeah, all right. So moving on. This is an review, but some other huge news. The 2026 center, which you and I have talked about before, maybe they're only sedan going forward was unveiled.

You have always championed even the old one that it was one of the better looking vehicles in the segment. And I don't think much has changed. This has the more squinty eyed corporate look that the Marano kind of debuted.

But in the SR with the two tone roof and the blacked out front, it really works.

Yeah, yeah, it's taken me a few days to get used to the amount of black trim on the front of the SR.

It's exactly the whole front bumper if you're looking at it from that on. But it's fascinating because none of the body panels are shared with the existing model.

So it you know it's the same platform, but it looks substantially different. And the interior is a huge upgrade. And that was one of our big criticisms of this car when we did the mega comparison.

It placed last and we said it just needs some tweaks. It would be competitive surprise surprise there are tweaks, although not the powertrain.

Yeah, it's going to say it's too bad. The two leaders, the only one would have been nice to have the even the ropes three cylinder turbo as an upgrade option or something because in the SR, especially.

But the other nice thing is if you get the non SR, especially the whatever the top line that's going to be with the new look and have the two toe and it looks like a completely different car and it looks.

Contemporary really good like it's not kind of a little too far out there like the K4, but it looks modern.

So I'll get to drive this in a couple weeks and I'm really looking forward to see what it's like.

Yeah, I can't wait to hear what you think.

I'm back to Kyle driving.

Much like the Corolla cross you got to drive the GR Corolla. I mean, they're both Corollas, right?

Yeah, it's, it's essentially the same car.

We did joke there that the GR Corolla powertrain in a Corolla cross would actually be kind of awesome.

It's like it's like you've always been saying like just put the WRX powertrain in the cross track. Just, just do it.

Yeah, same idea.

So yeah, it's the 26 year Corolla.

It is not the Grimman, the GRMN, the one that we all suspect and they've still been, they've been teasing with Camo.

It's not that.

So it is fairly minor updates this year.

It's more focused on long-term reliability.

So trying to want to take this to the Derbergrain.

What did that mean?

Adding a lot more adhesive to the chassis for better vertical load stiffness.

They also added an additional cold air intake.

So it's just about it performing at longer periods of time.

Otherwise, it's, it's basically the same car and we love the GR Corolla.

It's so much fun.

The trail hunter.

Can you imagine?

That would be great.

No, it's, it's still just a ton of fun.

And totally did a really fascinating thing on this drive program.

We're at Sonoma Raceway, which is an awesome track.

And they put us in a very specific sequence of cars with the Supra, the GR86 and the Corolla.

But for the Corolla, it was drive the 2023 and then drive the 24 with its updates.

Then drive the 26, which of course rolls in the more substantial updates from 25, the increased torque and stuff.

And so a lot of journalists, we've regularly said, right?

Like when there's minor changes to a performance car, it's like, oh, you need a track to feel the difference.

Well, we had a track to feel the difference.

And yes, there are actually changes.

This is just a little more planted without feeling boring.

It's not under serious just it feels more sure of itself going into a corner.

And that gives you more confidence to get on the power early to get out of the corner.

So I was noticing my cornering speeds were higher in the newer car.

It's, it's still good. It's still pricey.

You're now talking golf or money for the higher up the two trims, which is a tough sell when the interior of the GR is still a basic Corolla one.

But it's so fun.

Let's be all that extra glue.

Yeah, it's pricey glue together.

Yeah, hold it together.

So moving on to something I drove.

I spent some of the week up north in northern, not in Ontario, central Ontario, but north of where we are.

Anyway, it was with the Jeep and it was to go off roading and by off roading, I mean, we went on the unmaintained snowmobile trail, fire access roads that many a Jeep Bronco and every other off road enthusiasts club have been using for decades.

It was actually in a town that my parents have had a summer place for my whole life.

So I have spent literally decades watching people tow jeeps in and out of this place.

Like we're talking the ones that aren't road legal.

If you oversize tires missing most of their panels and whatnot, because there's a huge variety of different trails.

So the point was nothing new was being shown, but Jeep wanted to show what the Wrangler and the gladiator can do because they are like their off road cars are vehicles.

Every Jeep trail rated and they all can off road, but these are the two that like as they called what they call it old school off road authentic with its dual solid axles and whatnot.

So you would have been on many events and we've off roaded on many events and depending on the vehicle sometimes it's laughable when you're on like a dirt road with a little bump because that's all vehicle can do.

And other times has been better. I mean, Land Rover and Jeep have been good. This is the first time outside of a tire company who don't seem to mind breaking things where an OEM was like we are going to off road.

And I focused on the gladiator because it's the one you and I have both driven a lot.

I've driven three times recently and every time I say like this is a rango that pick up and it's going to be probably the most capable pickup off road in its class.

But with its super long wheelbase and super long overhang.

Is it still that great and basically what I found is yet when you're traversing higher obstacles the Wrangler sometimes bounds over especially the two door which is hilarious what it can do.

This will bottom out and it has skid plates everywhere and it makes a horrible noise when you hit your skid plate and start scraping along up but Jeep was like no that's what they're there for like drag it.

And when it's you think it's beached it's crazy how the four tires can literally just crawl and drag itself off these obstacles.

And when you smash the rear end on things on departure angles it's usually the hitch and again it makes a noise but the amount of abuse these things took.

And they all came out on skate in fact the only one that kind of got a rocker panel a little bent which he's had the upgraded panels that can be easily replaced was the four by.

And it was actually probably having the biggest struggle because it has so much weight it has to pull up and down the obstacles and when it bounces it bounces because it got over 5,000.

But yeah I mean going on again with the article.

Like I said this is probably the second most hardcore off-roading of every done and it was in pure stock vehicles the other one we had modified land rovers that were like beyond their extract mode and whatnot.

And it's kind of it's not good for Jeep because they've now shown me where these trails are that I always knew existed and they showed me what the vehicles can do and there's some cool lakes that are like no one goes to that are probably full of fish waiting to be fished.

So yeah next time I book a wrangler might have to recreate this event.

Yeah and then you're going to start your own side hustle of.

I don't know Shlase fishes. I don't know I got to work on the title. I also just want to point out for people who aren't watching.

Like this is like one of the best pictures I've seen you put out in like I really like this it's a great lead image.

So.

Yeah I took a ton of pictures because me and my partner that were driving Jill McIndash we had on the show about a month ago.

We were both coming the whole time on how off-roading is probably the worst automotive activity to try to relate to photos that you're doing this stuff.

We take a picture and it's like that's a dirt hill and it's like no you don't understand what we did.

So I was trying so hard to get angles and whatnot to really show like this is what we're doing so I'm glad I came out because I thought this was a nice picture too.

Yeah.

So back to Kyle driving Toyota's.

What do you know?

Yes I drove the so this is this is kind of funny I drove the 2026 Toyota GR86 user edition except I had already driven it back in May.

So this is this year's special special edition and the whole point of this trip was to drive GRs on track.

However this was shown at Toyota HQ back in May when the RAV4 revealed and we also do track drives there and the user happened to be in the lineup.

So I did one lap then it barely counted but I drove this more.

There's not a lot for me to add about the 86 I'll keep it short.

Mike you drove the Hakone earlier this year it's that it's it's the same special edition that Toyota's been doing for a few years now which is take the premium trim add the performance package.

And then add some unique details in this case it's bright yellow paint which they say is a nod to one of the sion special editions.

So similar color yellow stitching inside the difference with this one is that there is an optional body kit.

That looks pretty good.

It's very aggressive and then a quad tip cat backing sauce.

Those are a package deal. However Toyota doesn't have pricing for that.

So I know how much for this car costs without those two editions, which is basically what a Hakone cost.

But those probably push the price over 40,000 us.

I didn't get to drive the Hakone by the way, I just talked about it.

I haven't driven an 86 or BRZ in a while and now you make me want to get in one.

I had the WX TS which was the same idea but it's a WX but this is also going to be the series yellow right in the US or is that different as well.

Well, no, because this year's is a purple thing right or no, this year's is a purple.

Excuse me, I swore you drove the green 86 like back in March and the Corolla automatic.

Anyway, I thought you did.

I definitely remember you happen.

It's been a long year, I guess.

Yeah, let me look up on our site.

So I will add.

There you go.

I did.

So the interesting thing I will say about this actually that I forgot to mention is.

So I thought I drove this third on the track after the Corolla and the Supra and both of those are more powerful.

And the Supra is my, I really adore how the Supra drives.

I thought this would be overshadowed.

I thought this being, you know, less power naturally aspirated on a really hilly course.

I didn't think I'd love this and yet it was fantastic.

It's so light and so direct.

You have so many options on a racetrack.

You can enter a corner however you want.

You can pick your own lines and it's such an easy car to have a conversation with.

I, it was, it was wonderful.

I understand the appeal of these things now, especially compared to something like a Miata, which is very compromised.

So yeah, I did drive it at the end of winter.

Yeah.

And I remember loving it too.

That's my brain is obviously off because a serious yellow.

That's the BRZ.

It's the twin of this.

And you're like, I saw this car in yellow.

I figured that's what you meant.

Yeah.

It's like Subaru's is going to be the same but different.

It's sort of what happens with this car always.

Yeah.

All right.

So we'll move on to our last story of the week.

I mean, there was lots more but we're running out of time because we need to save some for our guests.

So we finally finally got the official official official word of something we've been speculating for awhile that the 718 successor will indeed have a gas engine eventually again.

Yeah.

We don't know how.

So the current 718s production just ended fairly recently and it's because of European cyber security laws.

And Portia has said that that platform it was too expensive to adjust to make it viable for these new rules.

So it's an old platform.

So they were going to get rid of it.

And then we know that the 718 new model is supposed to be or was supposed to be EV only.

So the question is, are they modifying the EV platform to accept.

I see power trains or are they spending the money that they said was too much to keep the old platform and update it.

Like we don't know that part wasn't confirmed, but all they said is that top models will keep I see engines.

So what that means is probably GT4 equivalent or spider RS that sort of thing.

And I'm imagining they're keeping those because those are easy money.

Every single time they release one, everyone wants to buy them.

So I think I think even GTS or maybe they'll go crazy with the new model and they'll actually have like turbo.

Look like a little turbo like the 911's sort of entry engine in there because that would be easy swap.

The thing is you can't say, well, we're going to take a 911 and just modify the chassis because the engine goes in a different spot.

So that doesn't work.

I mean, if you're going to spend that money.

You can swap the EV platform.

There's probably a way for the same way you could ditch the battery, put a different structure and put an engine in the back.

I mean, there are vehicles that do dual power. It's not unheard of.

But it depends when this decision was made, I guess.

Like if they was pretty much done and then they decided that's going to be hard.

But if way back years ago, they kind of thought, you know what?

Maybe we should start making this dual purpose.

But yeah, who knows.

I don't think they'll modify the old platform to your point, but what the new one is who knows.

Yeah, and it like because it was a 718.

This this EV platform, I'm wondering if the idea there was to try and mimic a mid engine car and put a lot of the battery.

And it's closer to where a mid engine.

What would keep its actual engine?

And then it's like, well, does that make it easier to modify for IC purposes?

I'm.

It's beyond our pay grades.

I'm just.

I'm just I'm curious.

And I guess that also means that if the top models are going to be IC.

I guess that means that something like the concept car from a few years ago, the mission are, I think it was.

Yeah, it's like, well, then you're not going to be doing it a thousand horsepower dual motor 718, are you?

You're going to be capping it.

Sub 911 power.

I also feel Porsche's tested the waters here by doing exactly what we said there.

And if.

It goes full charge of Daytona and they can't move the EVs and the top models are selling well.

They have also opened the doors since it can take an engine that now we can put a smaller whatever engine in if we want or a hybrid or whatever down the road.

So yeah, well, I guess we have to wait and see what comes.

I yeah, I'm I will just I know we're going tight for time.

I just want to also add, I would I'm curious what the base EV is going to be like because look, if I trust anyone to make a fun driving smaller EV.

It's Porsche.

So I'm still curious.

It's just looked like this was going to happen.

If they get a 300 horsepower single motor for the rear, which like SUVs have in spades these days.

And a small battery.

It could be yeah, it could be a lot of fun.

If you keep the weight well under 4,000 pounds, then you can have something.

But we'll have to wait.

Yeah.

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All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show.

We have our special guest joining us.

Gary, if you could just introduce yourself.

Yeah, I'm Gary Vasslash.

I'm the co-host of auto line after hours, contributed awards.

And I, of course, run my own site and sub stack called shiny metal boxes.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Now Greg for a long time.

We're both jurors on North American car trucking utility of the awards.

And been doing that.

Yeah, it's just about to say you led into it perfectly for those listening and out watching.

We have Greg joining Kyle and I again.

So we got a full house here to talk to Gary.

Greg, since you know him the most of it, yeah, take it away.

Oh, sure.

Gary, why don't we always ask our guests like, how did you actually get into this business?

You know what?

Usually the stories are quite random.

Nobody follows a straight path together.

How did you get into it?

Well, back in the mid 90s, I was the editor of a magazine, a trade magazine.

Based on Detroit.

And we covered.

All durable goods manufacturing, which meant we did agricultural equipment.

We did aerospace.

We did appliances.

We did electronics.

And oh, surprise, surprise.

We did automotive.

And at the time.

I decided that being in Detroit and writing a whole lot of stories about the auto industry.

That we should simply change the magazine to being an automotive magazine.

Now.

The owners of the company were in Cincinnati.

And they were a little mystified as to why anybody wanted to do that.

I convinced them to do that.

So we started.

We completely changed the magazine and called it automotive production.

The society of automotive engineers saw what we were doing.

And they became very interested in it.

And we ended up having a partnership with SAE.

So suddenly the people in Cincinnati,

who were like mystified by this whole automotive thing, I'd say,

oh, you know, how to can of oil.

It says, you know, S-W-S-A-E-10W-30.

It's like, that's them.

And they want to partner with us.

So we did that.

And so the automotive magazine ran.

Website.

Continued on.

COVID hit.

Boom.

Done.

So.

It was a long run.

But an interesting one.

Another question for you since you've been in Detroit.

It sounds like for your entire career.

Sure.

You've seen a lot of makers come and go and cars come and go.

What are some very memorable cars that either you got a chance to drive

or maybe even owned over the years?

So OK, so I mean,

the whole issue of vehicles coming going.

I mean,

that's that's certainly.

And interesting one.

It seems to me that that part of the problem that Detroit has long had

is that not enough cars go.

They come.

They want to keep them.

Because they want to be able to milk as much as they possibly

can out of them.

And so if you think about like what.

Companies like Honda or Toyota would do is they would get rid of cars.

So if you, you know,

if you guys probably remember.

And I'm sure that much of the audience remembers like the Honda Dell soul.

What a wonderful little car that was, right?

And you know, they said,

Oh, we've had this for a long enough.

And it goes away.

Or the.

Solera that.

Toyota had, you know, again,

it's like, OK, we'll give this a run.

It will go away.

So I mean,

I look at cars like that,

which we were really wonderful experiences.

And, you know,

they realized, OK,

now it's time is done.

Let's shut off the spigot.

And we will make no more.

Although now we're,

we're seeing things like the prelude come back.

Yeah.

We had, we had had three preludes,

by the way.

So that's a vehicle that is,

that is,

that is warm to the Vastlush household's heart.

Having that vehicle.

Well,

well,

well, that I have to ask.

Oh,

I'm just going to ask Gary for his opinion on the new one,

as to what he's seen so far anyway.

I have not seen enough to be able to have,

have a verdict one way or another.

I mean,

it is nice to see the name plate come back.

Let's see how they actually deliver.

You know,

I think,

I think hot is sort of an interesting situation.

I mean, when we, when we heard what was the day before yesterday,

when, you know,

the actor is EDX,

and they just suddenly pulled a plug on that after a year.

And saying,

oh,

but wait, you know,

next year we'll,

we'll have a vehicle that will replace it.

I think that there's some churn that is going on over there.

So let's see the execution of the prelude before we have any verdict on it.

That's what I've been saying too,

because,

you look at the stats and specs people are CVT hybrid,

but it could drive fantastically.

Just before we move on,

back to your point about Detroit holding on to long.

That's a good thing you brought up,

because I don't think a lot of people talk about that.

Like,

the PT cruisers are good example.

I think they produced it for 10 years.

And after probably two years,

it's kind of,

it was done in the market,

but they just kept keeping it around

and Chevy Monte Carlo.

Like,

that probably lasted a decade or two too long.

So I,

I fully get your point on,

you know,

some name plates just need to go or segment and move on to new ones.

You know,

it's funny that,

that for whatever reason they think that, you know,

oh, all we need to do

is add a new trim.

And somehow this will make it all better.

And people will suddenly enjoy it.

I mean,

if mechanically,

if functionally,

the thing is just not delivering,

you know,

it doesn't matter how many stickers you put on the damn thing,

it is not going to be a better vehicle.

So going back to what you're talking about with the,

the trailers that you've had.

Is there anything else that you've owned that you kind of wish

you still had to this day?

Yes.

So I had a,

Civic SI,

which I absolutely adored.

It was the second generation hatchback.

I mean,

it was a wonderful car.

I never had more fun than,

than driving that car.

It's just,

just a wonderful,

wonderful thing.

So it would be, you know,

in the, in the classic,

hot hatch category.

And, you know,

it seems,

it seems sort of interesting,

if you think about it,

how that has almost disappeared

with the exception of Toyota rolling out the GR Corollas,

which, you know,

full credit to them for continuing to want to do performance vehicles

figuring that there are still those who want to drive things

that are fun to drive

and not necessarily

with an electric motor,

which everyone seems to adore right now for reasons that

misdefine me.

Gary, I'm curious,

because it's like,

I know your background so much in like the industry and things too.

It's been a wild year,

wild decade.

Well,

you have any predictions here for the rest of 2025

and into 2026?

Well, I think that the,

for the remainder of 2025,

I think what we're going to see in the fourth quarter

is that the tariffs are finally going to kick in

in a way that will be more measurable.

And I think going into 26,

it's suddenly going to be that the lack of affordability

of vehicles that exist right now, you know,

with the average transaction prices being over 49 grand.

I think that that is only going to get worse.

So, you know,

the industry is going to be faced with a problem that, you know,

you always want to sell more vehicles, right?

And you always want to sell more vehicles

that are going to give you bigger margins.

The problem is going to be is this whole affordability thing.

And you're going to,

you know, be driving more people out of the market.

You know, at the same time,

you've got the industry that,

over the last,

let's say,

three or four years have been investing

literally billions of dollars on electric vehicles.

And, you know,

whether this is building battery plants

or building assembly plants

or retooling assembly plants

to build EVs.

And as of next week,

when the 75 under our tax credit goes away,

when all the leasing loopholes go away,

suddenly they're going to find themselves in a situation

where there's going to be a bunch of stranded capital because they're going to have

all of this capability

and very few people buying the product.

And that is going to really,

really be an issue for them.

And then the third thing that we can think about is,

okay,

it wasn't all that long ago

that General Motors pulled the plug on cruise automations saying,

you know,

we're probably not going to have this

Robo Taxi business that's going to be making as billions of dollars a year

by 2030.

And, you know,

now they're putting their foot back into it.

You've got, you know,

Waymo.

You've certainly got Tesla.

Are more aggressively getting into that space.

You've got Zooks that, you know,

the Amazon backed company.

So again,

the question is,

will the car companies spend more money on automation or will the car companies

keep their hand in sort of?

So 26 should be very interesting to see what will happen with autonomy.

But I think that the, you know,

the whole issue of the collapse of the EV market,

which I'm sure is going to be happening.

The whole issue of what happens when people can afford to buy cars

will be the big headlines of 26.

Do you think you'll see more vehicle models being paused for importation

or even production in the US?

We're seeing it up in Canada with some US made vehicles are already not going to

offer in our market for the time being because it doesn't make sense to import them.

I think we're going to see a whole mix of this.

I mean, I think we're going to see that there's going to be, you know,

a situation where there will be programs canceled.

We're going to see a situation where there's going to be a pause,

which will last for an undefined period of time,

which is probably going to be longer rather than shorter.

I think we're going to see a reduced mix in terms of the existing models,

the availability.

You're going to see a lot higher trim levels.

You're going to see very few base entry level models,

you know, because they're going to add stuff and say,

oh, we didn't raise our prices so much.

You're just getting more for your money,

which of course is a fiction.

In terms of, you know, bringing cars in.

You know, it's, it's this whole thing is he's hitting companies like like Volkswagen very hard, right?

I mean, Volkswagen makes a lot of his production for the US market in Mexico, right?

And so the, you know, what is going to happen with the USMCA?

You know, the issue becomes like,

okay, are they going to sell fewer BMWs that are made in Germany in the US?

Probably not because the people who want to buy a BMW can probably eat the 15% tariff that is on those vehicles.

But if you have a, you know, a lower cost vehicle,

that probably isn't going to come or at least not come in as big numbers as it once did.

You know, there's some discussion that, you know,

oh, the car companies will take the assembly plants and build cars just for the market.

The Canadian market will have Canadian built vehicles, the US market will have US built vehicles and then Mexico will have Mexican built vehicles, which, you know, as you guys know that that isn't the way the industry works.

I mean, the industry needs to have, you know, flow of things back and forth across borders.

Just in order to make a profitable business of it.

Yeah, there's this idea that, I mean, I'm simplifying but not really where people think, oh, well production facilities that exist in Mexico or Canada, they'll just drop them in the US to produce them in the US and then it'll be fine.

It's like that the billions of dollars required and the years of development to put production facilities in the US are longer than than political.

Sure, stages and so it's, it's a really awkward time and a lot of OEMs don't tend to want to answer questions about this sort of thing.

Well, I mean, I mean, to be fair to them, I mean part of it is, is they're still trying to figure this all out, right? I mean, they don't know.

I mean, it seems like, you know, from from one day to another things things are shifting or deals are being announced.

Gee, they really haven't been signed yet. So is this truly a deal or is this just, you know, something that sounds good, right?

I mean, I think I think a big, you know, an interesting thing of, you know, talking about production is,

whether, you know, there have been some reports that in Canada that B-Y-D may start importing vehicles and as we know in the US, I mean, there is a hundred percent tariff on Chinese electric vehicles.

I mean, there's just no way in hell that anybody can afford to bring in cars with that sort of a tariff.

But, you know, then what happens if, you know, Canada decides, well, gee was, you know, maybe, maybe we should have a B-Y-D plant here because why not?

And then the people who are south of the border are going to say, wow, look at those, those great B-Y-D cars that cost 15 grand and they've got like everything.

They're going to want them here. Then what happens? You know, you remember, it was last year year before when Elon Musk was talking about how, you know, that the Chinese auto industry would just basically annihilate, you know, the legacy automakers as we know them because of, you know, there are efficiencies and capabilities and scale.

You know, so what happens in Canada is going to be very interesting to watch.

Yeah, to your point, the reviewing the tariff right now, because we too do have a hundred percent tariff on Chinese vehicles, but our government is looking at potentially not just adjusting it but scrapping it, which would open the floodgates.

But everything you're saying is sort of what obviously all of us in the industry are seeing and it's these tariffs aren't creating, as Kyle said, let's move all production to the US.

Everyone's just kind of like sitting back and waiting for a couple years to see how it all plays out because, like Kyle said, if you invest now, it could be five years till things are done and in three years, everything could be scrapped and changed.

So I think it's what you've said from the start, Gary. It's consumers who are going to ultimately see the prices go up enough to figure out what they're going to do going forward.

Right. You know, you do think about it. I mean, you know, we look at the auto industry and we sort of think that that's the end all and be all. But I mean, you know, the cost of other things will be increasing more and more as time goes on, which then means there's less disposable income to be able to spend on, you know, big ticket items like cars.

And, you know, that has to be taken into account.

You know, I don't envy some of these GCEOs at the car companies because they mean they're just, you know, playing a dark game in the dark.

Gary, I'm kind of curious. Before we let you go, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you where you at with like the field that is not toy.

I've seen a few different predictions and some of some other podcasts and things out there. I think some people have done some articles.

I mean, I say this every year, it seems like it's a good field, but it's like the utility category is just enormous as you would expect.

It's always a smaller, but there's some good stuff in there.

You know, I don't know. Truck is, you know, about what you would expect for truck small, but mighty. So I don't know where you out this whole thing because, frankly, I'm completely having an open mind, which I think is a good thing is the calendar about to turn to October.

But I don't know. What do you, what do you think?

Okay, so one of the things that I've been doing this year is I was one of the judges for the wards 10 best interiors and UX and for the recently completed wards 10 best engines and propulsion systems.

I've had the, you know, we drove, I don't know, it was like 30 some vehicles for each of these awards. And so, you know, I've had the opportunity to be in a lot of the vehicles that are on the list for NAC toy.

You know, one one thing that you know, you can't help but conclude is that the competition this year in many regards is perhaps even more fierce than it has been in the in previous year is that we've done this.

I just, you know, I wonder a little bit, you know, when I think of some of the vehicles like, you know, the Cadillac IQ, you know, a massive, impressive, you know, EV does, does the jury. So again, you know, NAC toy is focused on consumers, NAC toys focused on, you know, providing information that people can feel reliably comfortable knowing that there were 50 journalists from all over the place making this decision.

You know, whether, you know, the whole issue of, you know, what happens when EVs are not as popular, does that then give an advantage to something that is not electrified.

So it's a real, it's a real quandary, I think, but yeah, I mean, you know, on the, on the utility list from the actor of ADX to the Volvo EX30.

So there's a lot to choose from.

Where are you coming down, right?

I don't know. I've been fortunate to drive a lot of these. So I think that that always helps, you know, because you could always see some surprises.

You know, I tend to think it'll be harder for car and truck because it's a small field.

So the decisions a little bit tougher. You have to be more precise.

You know, that'll be intrigued, you know, try the charger again, the CLA, the Mercedes, little surprise that actually made the cut, but I think that'll be kind of interesting to get in there.

Key is always very strong.

The utility ones this literally is making me think I need to make a few calls to the fleets because there's just so many utility vehicles that even if you go to the, like the test drive in October, you can't possibly drive all these things.

I need to get some of these sent to my house here.

Talk about first world problems, but.

Yeah, I think for me, the utility one is probably to be the biggest challenge because car companies are spending so much money.

Obviously in that segment that, you know, I think that'll be tricky.

And, you know, frankly, some of these things will also cancel each other out, you know, like there's three Cadillacs on here.

There's two Toyota's. So I think just by kind of some natural, like attrition will be able to narrow it down and we'll see, but it's a fun time of year for driving these cars.

What I'm looking forward to is, you know, the Honda Prelude that we started at the top with.

I mean, that's on the list. I mean, I will be very interested to see whether they actually get one for us to be able to drive.

I mean, I'm looking forward to that. I mean, Jeep Cherokee being on the list.

You know, everything you read about the Jeep Cherokee is going to like save the company.

Well, we'll be interested to see if that actually occurs since they need some help over there in Auburn Hills with regarding to the Jeep market, which.

Not doing so well.

That's going to be interesting to see.

But some of these, I mean, that like the Lucid gravity, what a what an interesting car that was to drive. I mean, I just really thought that was that was interesting.

One of the things that that occurred to me about that car, just to sort of digress a little bit is the fact that.

Maybe you guys know this, but, you know, the windshield goes up and it becomes the sunroof.

And I recently had a stone ship on my car and I had to take, you know, the windshield and they get repaired.

And I'm just thinking, oh my god, you know, what would it cost if you got a chip in the in the windshield of a Lucid gravity?

There's massive, massive piece of glass. I mean, what does that have to cost, but of course, you know, you're buying a hundred thousand dollar vehicle.

You probably don't care that much.

You're leasing it. You're handing it back up to two or three years.

But just just to add to what you guys are talking about because Mike and I are just about to do voting for Canadian car of the year.

Or is there similar, except we split out the EVs? And I think in a way that makes it easier for us because just before we started recording, Gary, you mentioned that you have the new policy in your driveway.

And for me, that's, that's already a front runner for the SUVs because it's so impressive.

But you also have to put it over against the Ionic 9, which is very impressive, but an EV.

And as we've talked with the market changing, does that impact how important that model is for us?

It's Ionic 9 is its own category, so it doesn't have to have any infighting.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I think that's, that's definitely a consideration has to be made. But then again, you know, going back to the issue of OK, if you're, if you're judging this just basically, you know, on the technology or on the interior as, you know, we different words thing.

And then, you know, that's sort of easy to do. I look at this, you know, that we do, of course, you know, as Greg mentioned, the Ionic 9 policy, both on the list.

I mean, I would look at it from the point of view of OK, if you, if you were recommending someone to buy this for themselves, you know, what would you do and.

That that Ionic 9 interior is just a knockout, the Ionic 9's got a great range, but, you know, what this, this policy is just frighteningly impressive.

I mean, I just, I just wonder what, you know, product planners at other companies do if they get the opportunity to get into a vehicle like that.

I mean, they've just got to be, you know, heads got to explode.

Because again, this is, this is not a genesis. This is a Hyundai, right? I mean, it's just, it's just crazy good.

So, I guess I'm more toward the policy than I am for the Ionic 9.

I think the go ahead.

Sorry, Mike, go ahead.

No, go ahead.

I was just going to say I've noticed that Hyundai's tend to do very well historically and a lot of the different awards, you know, throughout North America, just because like the interiors are so good for the price points.

And then you put in this design and people's, you know, people tend to vote for them. It seems like quite often. So, you know, we'll see.

Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, to the point of, you know, you're Greg you're mentioning, you know, the design.

The thing that I wonder about it is that, okay, how is it that they are able to do that?

And, and Kia as well. And yet, if you look at, you know, Ford and, and General Motors and, and Stellantis, they don't do that. And it's just like, why?

I mean, don't, don't they see how, how those two brands are just growing in the market while these other guys are just like fighting it out to try to maintain position.

It's just like, you know, design sells.

It's funny. I recommend Hyundai's and Kia's people all the time. And it's a little bit tougher sell in Michigan, probably similarly in Toronto too.

People are like, well, I don't know if I want to buy on day. And it's like, well, look at it. Why wouldn't you do that?

So, I do think Chevy, to be fair in particular, has gotten their design way up in the last probably five years, particularly with their like their EVs and things.

And they've actually done some, scored some points in some of these awards too, but, you know, it's not universal.

Yeah, the object and district interiors are incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah, I, I, the, the, um, up to guide, I just, that is in my mind the first modern Cadillac of, you know, the last millennium.

It's just, um, it's just slightly just very surprising to me.

Well, interesting to see what to win the various awards in the different regions. Sometimes they align, sometimes they don't, but we won't know for months still.

But Gary, we, thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah.

Yeah, sure.

Like you said, 2026 is going to be an interesting year. And well, definitely have you back on to maybe be cap in a year's time.

What did or didn't happen from what we saw?

And get ready for the 20.7 car of the year, more as I guess.

All right.

Appreciate it, guys.

All right. Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, no.

Hello, and welcome back. We have column joining us once again for some formula one news and rumors.

What's going on this week?

There's a crazy amount. I don't think we're actually going to be able to get on top of it all, but I figured maybe we should start off with a little back who discussion because that was, I think a very wild and surprising weekend on pretty much every level like the most red flags ever in a qualifying.

Yeah.

It was not.

And, and I have to say I saw this word statistic and I, or just tweet and I thought I would share it.

There's like, who would have believed at the start of the year that we would see a Carlos science William, Williams podium before we saw a Hamilton Ferrari podium.

Right.

Yeah.

I think I saw something actually that Haas is the only team on the grid with no podiums like ever.

So that's pretty pretty sad for Haas.

So like this year.

No.

Have they ever been on a podium?

I don't think so.

No, I think it was ever.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

My heart take on Baku is maybe it's unpopular opinion, but I think without the red flags and PS reaches.

I don't know what was wrong, but I was like, yeah, fight with his girlfriend or something.

They never really said in the end if it was because it like I saw a lot of people in the live saying it was like a mechanical failure in that first lap crash.

And I, I would believe that too, but nobody ever confirmed that.

So sorry, you were.

I was just going to say without all that it was a very boring race.

Nothing happened in the race hardly.

It was all the drama of how the field got shuffled because of this crazy qualifying session.

And then he asked me knocking himself out.

But I mean, like, the people he thought we charged the front like nurse never did.

Science talking.

Yeah, science hung on.

And for Safin just dominated.

It was like, yeah, I think I like fast forwarded like 20 laps of the race because this is going nowhere.

Yeah, we got all the excitement happened in qualifying.

Like a like a monoco, right?

Where yeah, and, and yeah, there was a lot of like DRS trains.

You never, you know, it's true.

It was a bizarre result.

And I'm curious if I guess the, they're saying Singapore will be the test.

Like everyone's saying, oh, like Red Bulls figured this out now with this new floor.

And blah, blah, blah.

But Red Bull has kind of, I think what I've read is that they're basically saying, look.

Both Monsa and Baku are very specific types of circuits. They're not usual circuits.

And so it, and, and Red Bull, I think it's pretty traditionally done well in recent memory.

Anyway, pretty terrible at Singapore.

So if they can do well at Singapore, they're in good shape. But otherwise, no, so.

But yeah, I mean, you know, it's a surprise since the summer break.

We've come back.

The whole season is turned.

I feel like it's, you know, I feel like McLaren's probably got it locked down.

Anything can happen in Formula One.

Yeah, like no one's catching the constructors.

I mean, no matter, Max could win every race, but he needs his teammate to do it with them.

And that's not happening.

Max could maybe get second.

Yeah.

Lando could maybe get first.

I mean, that's still up in the air.

But you're right.

Like the Monaco and whatnot.

Red Bull just dumped their downforce because the way their heart can operate otherwise and no one could pass them.

Yeah, I mean, I'm going to do that on some upcoming track.

So we'll see what happens.

Yeah.

Yeah, it should be.

Should be good.

It was a bizarre as anything.

I'll put that out there.

Like it was such a strange race.

I was hoping for for loss and to get a podium too, right?

But that just didn't happen.

That would have been nice.

But I was still as best ever a result.

So so good for him.

Right down to Carlos and Charles renting a white van to drive across Europe to get home.

That was great.

I'm glad you sent me that.

No, it would be like, hey, we should talk with this.

I'm like, talk about what?

And then people haven't seen it.

Yes, there's that what you tell it like the video.

Well, they're playing got diverted because of weather and they landed somewhere in Italy.

And they had 500 K to get back to Monaco.

So rather than spend the night or wait, they rent today.

Basically a commercial van like a rental commercial van and drove all through the night back home.

There's a second video that came out of them actually picking it up.

And Carlos like pointing at the van.

They're getting it like it is like viewer, you know, to window big band.

I love that they're just in that.

It's just dudes like that's what like you and I would do if we got like stuck.

So what we really need to be back from, you know, oh, we had to be a Toronto and, you know,

it's like, oh, the plane broke down in Chicago.

Be like, well, crap.

We know we we can't wait.

We just got to go.

We got a meeting in the morning.

We're going to drive all night and get there something.

So so that's funny.

And I'm sure whoever was up there could rental desk had quite the story.

Tell them, you know, late at night, these two wander up is like, we get a rent vehicle.

I bet they did.

And you're like, I know you or they totally didn't know who they were at all.

And I suspect in that part of the world, they would definitely be recognized.

Let's get to see.

I would find it hard to believe someone working within any sort of car facet in Italy would know who those two were.

Yeah, especially being a Ferrari and former Ferrari driver.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So yeah, moving on.

Sorry.

The interesting news.

There's two things.

There's all kinds of like testing going on right now.

So I guess there's a.

Mugello today.

The as we speak.

Haas is doing a bunch of testing.

And there's two things.

So one is that I guess that we've got up now.

Is James Hinchcliffe.

Is actually, I guess he's getting his first ever chance to drive a Formula One car.

So people who don't know Hinchcliffe was an Indicare racer turned a commentator.

It's funny how like him and Wilbuckston have like sort of semi swapped careers.

Not really because Wilbuckston wasn't a Formula One driver, but.

But now he does a lot of the commentary for Formula One.

And he's getting this great chance.

So I'll be really curious to see the.

The video.

I like they're shooting a whole thing.

I think for Sky.

So I'll be very curious to see what they produce because I'd love to see someone who's.

You know, had a whole solid Indicare career who's who's still reasonably athletic.

Like he's, he's, you know, maybe not a peak Formula One driver, but who can certainly put in some real solid lap times.

What he thinks and feels about it all.

I think that'd be cool to see.

So.

Yeah.

Someone told me about this yesterday.

I'm like, did you hear he's getting a.

Try it with Haas and I was like, what?

A little old me doing this.

And then yeah, it's for a show.

And I was like, okay, this makes more sense.

Yeah, yeah, it does.

So, so there's that.

And then that during that same test.

It wasn't Mercedes who was supposed to.

Mercedes was supposed to give a.

A ride in a Formula One car, if you recall, total wolf promise that it never happened.

And so Haas has finally come through.

And Groza is now today as we speak behind the wheel.

I think it's actually already overhead has tested the.

You know, an older.

Haas car and gotten some, some laps in wearing a helmet that his kids had designed and everything too.

So that's a.

That's a nice heartwarming story to finally see him back there.

I don't even know what Groza is doing anymore.

He wasn't in the car for a while, but I'm not sure if he still is.

So I don't think so.

Yeah, he was in the car for a while.

So yeah, that's interesting, too.

It's I don't think they're looking to.

Replace any one of the team with him, but like going back again.

That is odd, but maybe it's just one of those.

I think it's just here.

Everything.

It's good publicity.

I will add, as I'm, you know, one of my.

Dog with the bone things I'm after here is that it in the midst of all this PR

that they're churning out about.

You know, he's cliff and road goes over.

There's also Rio Huracawa, who's their reserve driver, who's this Toyota formula driver.

They are making some content and talking with the partnership with GR racing and stuff like that.

And so, you know, Toyota continues to.

Get involved in you can see the logo right on Hinch Coast chest there.

The Toyota continue to get involved in Formula One.

So I'm waiting for the bigger announcement every day.

So not.

Well, I will come soon, but.

This test, too, is set up through Toyota.

That Grotions there.

Like that's the whole connection as to why he's getting this.

So, yeah, it's more and more looking like maybe they're thinking.

When Barryman ultimately ditches us for.

Another series.

Maybe we'll do grotions and.

And I want homegrown driver.

Who knows.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's move on because running out of time here.

You like this picture here.

Those who can't see that this is like a Charles Leclerc is like a Ferrari Ironman.

And this is what AI generated when I asked for a.

What was it?

A Charles Leclerc Ferrari super soldier.

So the story here.

And this is this is kind of weird is that.

There's a company and hold on.

I'm going to make sure I get the name of it right.

It's called Focus Calm.

And Focus Calm makes these like wearable headsets that like track your brain waves when you do.

Exercising and training and it's supposed to make you a better athlete.

So the parent company is called Brain Co.

And apparently Brain Co has links to the Chinese government.

And there's a there's a recent article.

I.

I came across.

There's one in in Newsweek recently.

Basically talking about how this company has links to the Chinese government and this company.

It's also tied to.

Getting data to help train Chinese super soldiers.

So apparently Charles Leclerc's data.

There was like a data breach with the company to whatever it is.

It's sort of the joke.

I mean, it's not super serious, but that they're using Charles Leclerc's brain waves to.

Make Chinese super soldiers.

So.

If the future China attacks us and the soldiers run into things and scream that they are so stupid.

We will we will know why so.

I was on my bingo card for this year, but you know season's proven anything can happen.

This story was too weird to not touch.

I was like, this is probably mostly nonsense, but like it looks like it's like.

It's legit.

It's just that he's just one of the people, right?

Like I'm not sure they're after his data.

But in doing some more research, it looks like there's a bunch of like elite athletes.

Some like tennis players and stuff like that who all use this device.

So who knows who knows if it means anything.

They have all the brain wave data and it's, you know, whatever that form of data is total garbage.

So it could just be a more of a joke than anything else.

Well, we did have more stories, but we've run out of time.

So we need to move on.

But thank you for joining us.

I'll help you back next week and back in action.

And yeah, it's.

It's crazy that it feels like the season should just be wrapped up.

But there's still months of racing.

It's such a long year.

So many other seasons basically are, right?

So a lot of other motorsports are like, oh, well, this is the end.

And I'm thrilled by it.

I know it's kind of a pain for the drivers and everybody else.

But man, I love having my form of the one to watch.

Because those, you know, January, February weekend.

And you're like, what do I do now?

So other than watch what like the 24 hours of Daytona.

That's always a good January highlight or something.

Thanks for having me.

Very short.

Very short off season.

It's going to be chaos this year.

So I'm looking forward to that too.

It will.

All right.

We'll talk to you next week.

All right.

Take a mic.

Thank you.

Okay.

So that just about wraps things up.

We'll quickly cover what we've been up to this week.

Because Kyle, you and I were each on a trip.

We talked about mine briefly or not briefly talked about mine.

I was driving the jeeps off road after a monsoon, which is kind of fun.

Where were you, Kyle?

I was also off roading, although not after a monsoon.

I was back in California for the third time in three weeks.

I was off roading the 2026 Chevrolet Silverado EV Trail Boss.

Big numbers.

I mean, we know this, right?

All the Chevy EV trucks.

Everything about them is big.

So this is the new range topper.

We drove the RST a few months ago.

RST is gone.

Now it's trail boss.

And so you get the same basic package, which is a big battery pack.

Something like 478 miles of range or 760 ish kilometers,

725 horsepower, 775 pound feet of torque.

But now you get 35 inch all to rains, a two inch suspension lift,

a new terrain drive mode.

And yeah, it's,

it's very accomplished off road.

And the trail that we took while not as hardcore as what you drove.

Yeah, it showed off a fair amount of its capability.

And I just realized I'm basically talking about the whole thing,

which I will say for next week.

And then, yeah, Mike, we've also,

we've got some other vehicles that we're going to tear off together over the weekend.

Yeah, just before we get to that.

It's funny how the RST,

I didn't know the RST was dying for the, the trail boss, but.

The, that was sort of like,

a sport truck, performance truck.

And Ford made their electrical in the lightning.

And then in the same year, RST dies for trail boss.

And Ford dumps their low trim for the STX to be more off roadies.

So does this mean the Hummer had it right from the start

that people wanted off roady V trucks.

Yeah, so speaking of EVs,

we are comparing probably if not the two best three row EVs on sale,

partially because there isn't that many.

But the EV9 Kia, which we've like for a while,

and then it's corporate sibling, the Hyundai Ionic 9.

And we will get into impressions.

We'll save that for down the road.

But it's usual Kia Hyundai,

same basic bones, completely different products.

So yeah, yes, it's been interesting.

And then next week,

I am sticking to the EV theme.

And I'm actually going with a high performance EV.

I have the Chevrolet Blazer EV SS,

which it's been years since I first saw this.

And when they didn't heard about it,

and thought like this,

I got to try this with its crazy big tires and crazy power.

Since then,

everything seems to have the same kind of power.

But I'm finally getting behind the wheel.

So I'm looking forward to trying it.

What about you, Kyle?

Nice.

I'm going simple.

I'm getting into the 2026 Honda Civic Si,

which I'm honestly super stoked about.

I was supposed to drive an SI earlier this year

when I was in California.

And I got upgraded to a Type R,

which I'm very, very happy about.

But yeah,

I wanted to see what the SI is like

because it remains one of the few affordable manual four doors out there.

So yeah,

it's my kind of no,

because in Canada,

it can get summer tires as an option.

Do you know if this will have it now?

Because remember,

when we last,

I last drove what it was all seasons only.

Yeah, you know what?

I do not know.

I will have to check on Monday when I pick it up.

If it has them or not,

since I'm picking it up,

well, still in September,

apparently.

The reason I ask is because I drove the Si 25

with the firestone summer tires installed as part of their trip through the trail of dragon.

And it's incredible how much just that set of tires transforms that car.

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