Surprising Porsche buys at Kissemmee Mecum Auction
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Welcome to the Porsche Club Insider, your one stop for all things Porsche and PCA.
Here's your host, Vue Gwynne, and the Insider crew.
Hello everyone and welcome to episode 204.
We are at PCA's national office at the table.
We have our usual cast of characters.
We have Manny Albin, Damon Launey's at the controls.
But we also have our editor, Mr. Rob Sass.
How are you, sir?
Doing well.
Thanks, Vue.
Today, we're going to go through.
There were thousands of cars that went through auction at the Meekum auction in Kissimmee,
I believe, Florida.
Are we sure it's like Kissimmee?
No, we're pretty sure it's not.
I'm pretty sure it's Kissimmee.
I know it's an Indian name, so maybe we should check what that's right.
We're going to focus on the Porsches that went across the block and some pretty crazy
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Again, it's PCA.org and let's head right into it, these auctions.
Overall, what did you think of the Meekum auction?
So what I love about Meekum is, as we're going to talk about, they had a record setting,
Spider, from that millions of dollars to you could buy a $9,000 Porsche easily, easily.
I mean, I love going to, I love watching auctions at home, especially during the winter months
because there's nothing to do outside.
So because the announcers are really knowledgeable.
So even cars, I don't know anything about.
I learned a little bit as they talk about it as they come across the block.
I love the people watch from my couch, especially the people that like hang around.
You know, Rob, what I'm talking about?
Because they can't be really serious already waiting for their car to come up
because they're up there for several cars.
And most of them aren't even looking.
A lot of them are dealers, I think.
Are you just saying now because they have, they had to pass and they want to be on TV.
The ring people know who they are.
Some of them want to be on TV, but I think a lot of them are dealers and regulars.
Yeah, that's what I, so yeah, I love watching it.
And I came across it because I have, I'm probably one of the last people in the world
that still has regular TV.
You do?
Fable TV, yeah.
Wow.
I watch it a lot.
I'm the type that likes to watch the office.
So if I come across it again, signs will again.
Can't you just click on?
Yeah, but then you got to go for all these steps.
So much easier for someone to tell me what I should be watching.
Were you the last person to disconnect your home landline?
Maybe never.
Or you still have a home landline.
When we have, we have them for the alarm.
Oh, you still have a landline.
But it's, I guess it's Comcast cable, but nonetheless, it's, I love watching auctions.
Love when we get the opportunity to do it with me come in person.
It's, I could sit there for hours just watching the cars go by, seeing the people's reactions.
So in the late 80s, early 90s, my dad and I used to go to auctions all the time.
My dad was flipping cars.
In fact, that's where I bought my first car at the Baltimore public auto auction.
And he gave me a paddle to, I had four grand in my pocket or not in my pocket,
but just a budget of four grand.
And I bid on my very first car.
So I've always loved the excitement of going and looking at cars,
even cars that you can't afford, but you just want to see like, man, what do you think?
Just like when you were a kid and you got that, you remember the best catalog on,
if you guys remember that, but the catalog and you go to the toy section and that one page,
you'd be like, okay, out of this one page, which toy would you buy?
So I love going to auctions.
I will say the crew at Meekum, they have it down to a science of how to build
excitement at an auction.
The way they kick off in the morning, the music, the people, the energy of the,
I don't know what you call the people that are in the crowd like pointing at people.
What do they call them?
As the ring people, the ring men.
The ring men, yeah.
But yeah, they do it well.
Of course, it's always great to see our buddy, Chris Jacobs,
who's there adding a content and yeah.
So if you watch it on TV and you love it, I would highly suggest you go in person.
Even if you're not looking to buy a car, it's just, it's exciting.
Yeah.
Have you been to Kissimmee?
I have.
It's 4500 cars.
You cannot see all of it.
Like you have to be focused on what kind of cars you want to see.
And it's a quick way to find out you like other cars and you're willing to part with
your money with, it's not healthy for the wallet.
Like for me, it's not because I'm like, oh my gosh, look at that.
There's a so-and-so that I haven't thought about in 20 years, but here's a perfect example one.
Maybe I can afford it.
Yeah.
Yeah, well.
The earlier you go is well, like when the owners are there and you have time to talk to them
and you find your dream pinto with the original owner.
My harvest, orange B210 or whatever it is.
That was a yellow, was it?
No, the honeybee.
Do you have the honeybee B210?
No, not the honeybee, but it's just a standard hatchback B210.
Wow.
So any of you listening, if you have an orange B210 with tan interior, let me know.
One that your grandmother's been sitting on in the garage,
time to clear it out.
I think that car is part of the automotive fossil record.
I think they're extinct.
They're still out there, I believe.
I believe.
But it is cool to see.
And you can even have anything from cars that were forgotten in a garage to modified cars,
to even race cars, factory race cars.
I mean, they, everything.
Well, I mean, everything.
Yeah, this, especially this past auction had quite a selection.
And this, as we're recording this, we're coming up to Scottsdale,
which I started watching Barry Jackson.
Same way, and when they first start off, it's like the cheaper cars.
So you're thinking, oh, I think I could be here and affording it.
But by the time you get to Friday, yeah, no.
You see a lot more gold rings and a lot more gold chains on the stage.
And they give you the, I don't know if they provide it or, but it's readily available,
liquid purchasing courage.
I think that's it.
The people who are actually have bidding numbers.
Yeah.
And I have to love being there because you have people going there for the first
time and they see their friend and they're waving at their friend as if auction is going on.
Yeah.
And sure enough, you always have an auctioneer will look over and somebody has explained to
the person, you don't want to be waving your hand while a live auction is going on
to say hi to your friend across the way.
And they, they mobilize, I don't want to make it sound like it's derogatory,
but it's really like a circus in the sense where they pack up and bring everything that they need.
I'm sure they have local volunteers to shuffle the cars and stuff like that.
But do you know behind the stage or in a building very close to it,
Mekum has like their own, let's call it DMV.
Like when they have those cars there that are submitted, all the titles and title work is done,
like right there on the front.
So when it's sold, you go pick up your car, like you get the title, like it's ready to go.
Yeah, I experienced that with a friend who bought a car in St. Charles, Illinois from
Mekum probably 15 years ago.
It was amazing.
And then what they also have is again, just to like make it easy for you to part with your
monies is they have financing on site too.
And when the bids come up, they'll, they'll break it down to you in monthly payments
of what they can offer.
I'm like, man, that's genius.
And they have transport too.
And transport.
It's all one stop.
I mean, they, they realize why does the money leave the house when you can make it all up here?
But I will, I guess caution folks that might, might spend easily is if you're looking for
something, I would still go or at least seek someone that is incredibly knowledgeable about
the, the particular car you're looking into.
People start drinking.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I don't know.
It's kind of like rolling up to someone's house to look at a car and decide to buy it,
but you're kind of under this pressure cooker because you're going to be bidding and all.
And obviously there, you can't, I don't think you can drive the car, nor can you put it on a
lift or like, you got to like get on, get on the ground and start looking and looking at
the time prior.
It's not like you're, unless you just showed up right at that auction start, most people,
there's preview days and it's much more relaxed and you can take a look at the car.
You can look underneath and I'm sure you, if I'm sure they're going to rain something
if you're not 100% sure, but you're not going to be able to do a pre-purchase inspection.
I don't, I can't.
I haven't heard of them taking on premises.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, it's a good idea to bring someone that knows, you know, the key things
to look for, the key rust spots or whatever.
As we'll see in these photos that we're going to cover, not every car is prepped to a concourse
standard and some of them, you know, the owners just didn't want, they just won't let it go the
way that basically sent it as it is.
And just like selling a car in real life, that can affect the price.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, also what I found interesting is they have this once a car, you
see all the cars that go through and hopefully, you know, there's a winning bid, but a lot of
these cars end up on, at the end on like a, not a side lot, but a particular area of the lot
where, and it's called, and the bid goes on, and the bid goes on, meaning that let's say you
were bidding on a car, you didn't meet the reserve or whatever, or it didn't meet the
reserve, you still have the opportunity to find that car, connect with the seller,
and continue to negotiate.
And I believe there's a significant amount of transactions that those...
Yes, yes, meek.
I'm like, how many really sell?
And he said, I think like the majority end up selling, because sometimes the seller
has to come to the reality that this is the market price, and while you thought it was worth this
much, you know, the market speaking, do you really want to take this home again and redo the whole
thing? Most people want to find some happy medium.
Yeah, so being the first major auction of the year, how would you summarize it?
What's the market looking like?
I guess we have to say maybe overall, like just car world, and then maybe focus in on Porsche
afterwards.
What would you call it?
You know, everybody likes to talk about the air coming out of the collector car market,
but if it is, it's coming out pretty slowly.
I mean, just a casual look at prices and results, mainly in the Porsche world, obviously.
Stuff seemed to be selling pretty well, you know?
I mean, there were a fair number...
I don't know what the actual sell through rate was, but there were a fair number of
cars that had the bid goes on marker on them, but if the sell through rate was 60% or 65%,
that's pretty good.
And as you said earlier, probably a large percentage of those bid goes on cars wind up selling.
So it looks pretty decent to me overall.
I couldn't help but see, and I know we typically focus on Porsches on this podcast,
but you couldn't help notice a white car that what I thought went for a big amount of money.
Is that the 300ZX?
The 300ZX.
Nismo Edition.
No, the white Ferrari GTO.
Bianco.
Oh, the Bianco Speciale.
In my mind, 35 million...
What was it?
38 million.
38 million.
That's a lot of dough for a car, but...
Except.
Except, yeah.
You said except, and I'm like, what are you talking about?
38 million, that's a huge number.
Yeah, I read an article where they said that was low for what GTOs sell for.
There's GTOs, there's so many variables.
What year is that class?
What year is that GTO?
62, 63.
Okay, yeah.
There's so many variables that will make it more valuable than the other.
But basically, the gist of the article was that maybe the GTO isn't the king,
the gold standard, that maybe now it's the McLaren F1.
Yeah, and it's sold for right in the neighborhood of the one that sold at
bottoms like, I don't know, like 10 or 15 years ago, sold for.
And that one really had a weird history of being crashed and pieced back together.
I think we rebodied.
I mean, this car, I think, has been intact its whole life.
And it's had no race history.
It's the only one that was originally delivered in white.
38 million dollars is a lot of money.
But to Manny's point, I think he's right.
I think the luster of that car is fading somewhat, you know, as it just,
it doesn't resonate with anyone past Gen X or anyone younger than Gen X.
Oh, no.
I mean, it's, oh, gosh, it's like, it's a world I'm so disconnected from.
Like, I don't even know to dream about it, let alone be able to afford it.
And I gotta imagine, one, it's a few number of people that could ever
afford a car at that level.
But then to find two people to duke it out at an auction on a car that doesn't have race history.
And do you think white and rare is better than traditional Ferrari red?
I think what really matters with those cars is the history more than anything.
Or numbers matching engine, you know.
I think with race cars, there's a certain level of expectation that, you know,
engines are going to get swapped out and everything else.
But I mean, if it's like, you know, the Phil Hill car or something like that,
that's a, that's a bigger deal than color or anything else.
But I just honestly think that Enzo era Ferraris in general just, you know, peaked a while back.
And they're just not the flavor of the month right now with the people who are driving the
collector car hobby, you know.
If you're 65, 70 or older, that car is a big deal to you.
If you're 40, 45, not so much, you know.
I just think that in general Enzo era Ferraris, you know, had their day, had their peak day,
you know, 10 years ago and it's kind of slow.
One way to look at it, and we know him, it's Mr. David Lee that bought that car, right?
And I know he does some stuff with the PCA regions out there and he has
a collection of these cars and this matches up to what he collects and perhaps he got a deal on it.
Yeah, yeah.
But I just think right now, you know, the market in general is more excited by an Enzo and a 250 GTO.
I mean, I think still having a G2 in your collection is essential for serious collectors.
Yeah.
But it's just showing the popularity of the McLaren and maybe a little shifting of some
Teutonic plates that maybe the GTO isn't infallible, not everyone's going to be a 70
million dollar car.
I mean, but make no mistake, if I hit those lottery numbers.
You'd be in line.
Better believe it.
Would you take a white one or would you take a red one?
I would shoot for a red one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they have it.
It is a very cool car.
It's a car that, you know, back in its day could have won the Ma and you could have driven it home.
I mean, it was back when, you know, you could drive a very competitive car on the street.
I was listening to Spike's car radio on the way in and it was at Jerry Seinfeld who was
selling about a 907 that he just had restored and it was the winning car from Daytona 24 when
they crossed the finish line one, two, and three.
So his car is the first car.
It's an Alford car and that's got to play at that level.
You're not, when you're buying a 907, I would think you want to buy the 907 with the best
history, right?
You're not looking for a bargain baby.
No, right.
Not like I'm looking for a 97 Boxster that's 10,000 or under.
You're looking for not just the 907, but one that has some verifiable history.
You don't want to hear that this is a 907 that was completely totalled.
There was the practice car.
Didn't run a race exactly.
Yeah, you want to do it.
Rebuild this car.
Yeah, but it's a 907.
Yeah, you want a car that you can say this is the one to have in the world of 907.
So I would imagine a certain amount with that is the GTO as well.
It's got to have, out of all the GTOs, I would love to know how many are those type of cars
where people are like, yes, this is the one you want.
The 36 is probably less than 10.
Yeah, maybe even less than that.
And the rest of them are sold to privateers, raced in minor races or not at all.
So what would you say, what is the equivalent in Porsche terms?
The GTO is to Ferrari as the X is to Porsche.
What which car would you choose?
Oh, wow, that's tough because the whole dual purpose aspect of the GTO is a big deal.
So it's probably a race winning 904 or even a 906 maybe.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, nothing in terms of equivalent value yet.
We also have to think as well that there in 1962, there was nothing
that Porsche did that was like the GTO at all.
And there was nothing like it.
I mean, a 904 is the closest sort of thing, but there was still nothing like a GTO.
They were the giant.
They were the giant and we were a giant killer.
Giant killer, yeah.
It's a Colombo V12 versus a Furman.
So would it be like 356 SL?
No, no, I would think I guess from the 60s, you're looking at one of the plastic
portions like Rob said.
Yeah, no.
908 Longtail or the 904.
But they haven't reached that level.
Oh, yeah.
I don't think any, it's, well, this 90 team spider the roof.
Yeah.
I mean, they're getting up there.
But that's the great thing about Porsche, if you will, they're the affordable.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, let's let's say a 550 spider would be affordable compared to one of those.
That's a bargain.
That's a bargain.
That's a bargain.
That might be the closest thing to a GTO is a 550, you know, because it was what late
50s, well, no, RSK, I guess it would be the 550 was gone by the time.
Yeah.
There really isn't.
I mean, what's the record setting 917?
You know, it was like 15.
Oh, it's the one that Seinfeld sold or didn't sell.
How much was that?
22.
22.
What was it?
22.
So, you know, about two thirds of the.
But there's only one of those where Steve McQueen history and whatnot.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, let's come down to we won't come down to mortal levels because this car still
pulled in quite the premium.
But I believe it's one of one.
Of color.
Of color.
Yeah.
The orange 918 spider.
And were you surprised at the money that this car pulled?
Yes.
What was it?
For our listeners who aren't looking at the screen here.
We're looking at a 2015 918 spider.
VISAK edition.
And what color orange is that?
Pure orange.
Pure orange.
Paint the sample.
Hammer down at six million, just over six million dollars.
Now, we remember when Porsche was very scared that we're going to sell these cars.
Or remember how many.
When Andre or Susan was misquoted as saying we're sold out.
Exactly.
But yeah, this and the think then people thought they wasn't going to go much higher than
moving our price tag and now look at them.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like everything else.
You know, we talked about this earlier.
There may be parts of the collector car world that are cooling off and I guess parts of the
Porsche world are.
But low production, special late model cars.
Low miles.
Low miles.
345 miles.
Yeah.
Had more miles though than the martini car that we're going to talk about in a minute.
But yeah, it just it's crazy.
I mean, it was not that long ago when, you know, you go to Amelia or Monterey Car Week and there'd be
four 918 spiders on offer.
Two of them would sell and they'd sell for a million and a half.
I mean, it's amazing, you know, how done those days are.
But yeah, you know, there you have it.
$6 million for one of one color.
And we talk about this in the context of Renbo all the time where we're, you know,
a little bit more whimsical about it with the paint cans and everything else.
But color really does matter in the Porsche world.
You know, it's a little sad.
That car was a million dollar car.
I don't know how many owners it's had before this one.
I know.
It's beautiful.
It's been around for 10 years and it's only covered 844 miles.
Like that's a little sad to me.
It was 844 probably joyless miles.
It was like just moved from garage.
I know.
And I say the same thing about your cab relay when you told me you've only put 20,000 miles since you owned it.
But that's 20,000 miles.
That's a big difference between 844 miles.
That's like three weeks of commuting for me.
I know.
But I mean, just imagine the level of neurosis every click of the odometer here.
It's like, I'm tossing a thousand dollar bill out the window every time the odometer clicks.
You know, it is sad.
I mean, they were laughing all the way to the bank.
But I mean, I guess maybe this is I'm a shirt.
I'm sure this is not their only car.
Right.
Has it gone past?
I don't think it's gone past the breaking models, right?
It hasn't.
No.
It hasn't.
No.
And you can't fully rev the engine.
No.
No.
That is that is actually deeply sad.
And the other thing is too, if you have the means to own this car.
1500 miles is breaking, by the way.
90 feet of spiders.
It's halfway there.
It's not even broken in.
That's hilarious.
Face it.
The difference between and value of this car between 845 miles and 8,045 miles is not
going to make or break you if you have the means to own this car.
Enjoy it.
Yeah, but it does.
Well, it would have been the difference in the price of the car.
No, I know.
But the difference in the price, you know.
Oh, to someone that can own a car.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
It's like, you know, if it's a three and a half million dollar car,
a four million dollar car with, you know, another zero on the odometer.
It's, you know.
Are you impressed that also six million dollar car, that is a hybrid?
What other hybrid car has pulled that amount of money?
Now, that is an obscure world record.
I don't think the person who bought it, like, I guess,
to Rob's point is worried about the batteries and whether they've been replaced or not.
I don't think it matters.
I think it's just Porsche's latest hypercar, right?
Supercar, whether hybrid or not.
Interesting.
If it were electric, now maybe people would be going, you know, that hard for it.
But you know who I think it is.
Is this a world record for a hybrid car?
That's what I'm thinking.
That is, if it is, it's like the most obscure world record.
I would understand.
I would understand.
But I would love for somebody to let us know later.
But so do you think the folks at Weissach, more specifically the Sunderwinch program
and the folks that do recommissions, are excited that a car like this has brought in six million?
Because those that own 918 Spiders now, true or not, say, hey, if I have one and I want to
do something kind of cool to it, I could reset its lifespan by sending it through Sunderwinch
and recommissioning.
Now it's kind of.
This isn't a Sunderwinch car.
I know, but I'm saying.
It's just paint to sample.
The trains left the station.
There was a Martini liveried from the factory 918 that I don't think it was on Mika.
I saw this thing sold maybe a week or two ago from, you know, when we were recording this.
And it went for a lot more.
I think millions of dollars.
I'll try and pull it up and I'll try and back in.
But somebody removed the factory livery and it sold for a ton more than whatever the estimate
is.
I'll come back here.
Yeah.
Because I mean, you know, I think about the, we remember the Oak Green Crere GT that
Porsche Classic did a few years ago.
The car was stunningly beautiful.
Take a look at this real quick.
An unwrapped 918 almost doubled in value.
Look at that.
Yeah.
And so I think it looked like this right here.
Taking stickers off the car makes it more valuable.
Why are you looking at me?
Why are you looking at me?
All right, but, but this was a full wrap.
The whole body wasn't even on the same color and you take it off.
Was it a factory?
Yeah, that was factory.
Factory, really.
That was a factory wrap.
Wow.
So anyway, just thought that this sort of applied a little bit.
Did you say how much it went for?
Yeah, let's see real quick.
Because now it looks just like any other 918.
See if I can find it here.
Yeah, so it went for a 1.5 in 2018, 1.7 in 2021, and four years later and unwrapped,
it went for 3.1.
So it went up almost one and a half million dollars.
I guess the question is, is that because 918s went up in price since then?
Or how much did the unwrapping really contribute to it?
It's probably a little bit of both.
It's interesting that didn't hurt it.
Yeah, for sure.
For because of factory.
If it was aftermarket, I would say yeah, it makes sense.
But you're taking off a, I guess it was a pretty healthy option to put that on.
And you would think you would want it all original.
Czar.
All right, well, let's go to the, we have not one, but two spiders to talk about.
And the next one is a martini livery 918 spider, which I think is very cool.
But it went for almost half the price at 3.575 million.
And how many miles are this?
One six hundred and something.
Yeah, oh my gosh, even less miles.
Even more sad.
Yeah, I know.
Another pickled 918 spider.
Wow.
But just because of the color?
Yeah.
Yeah.
There are more of, how many more?
There are 15 of these that were delivered to North America in this martini livery versus
one of the PTS orange car.
So, you know, we have a very definite dollar figure now.
For rarity.
You know, I'm going to go out here and say you would, very unpopular,
you would catch me dead before I owned a martini livery car.
Okay.
So when you're away, I'm going to take your car and put martini livery.
But if you do want to give away your 918 martini livery to me, I would drive it with pride.
But it's not just the martini livery.
Like livery is most in general cringy for me.
So I'm wondering if there's a lot of other people who are just like, I don't need.
Can't wait to see the comments from all of our wonderful fans that have livery cars.
Oddly enough.
And I know that's.
And this one was, this one is a tribute to the martini 71917 that wins.
Right.
The one of the famous magnesium tube frame inside of it.
I thought it was a tribute to the 77924 martini.
Well, it might have been headed not at the number 22 on it.
Yeah, I, I mean, is that my favorite livery?
I mean, I have the hands that a guy took it off because 90 teams are as beautiful as they are.
Yeah.
I just don't like liveries all that much.
No.
So.
Especially on a street car.
To me, it's like, maybe if one person does it, it could be cool.
But they liveries end up becoming bandwagons.
So look at you.
Look at you.
Loan.
That's just, that's just how I am.
That's why I have a silver Cayman and I took off all the stickers, etc, etc.
Yeah.
So almost $3 million bargain because of color.
Yeah.
Because this has less miles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, come on.
It's, it's all over.
I mean, you, we've talked about this before.
Let me ask you that.
Need yellow tax.
If you, if this guy takes his pure orange anywhere, you know, it's one of one, right?
Okay.
So let me, let me propose this.
Now that you've bought this at a basement bargain of $3 million, you send it to Sunderwunch
to do a factory color change to, you run the database and you say, I want a color that nobody
has and you make this into a one of one Sunderwunch recommissioned 918 spider.
Will that all of a sudden become a $6 million 918?
No.
I think part of the, the appeal with that car is it was born that way.
It's the only one that was born in that color and nothing you can do now 11 years later is,
is going to approach that.
I mean, that's, that's the appeal.
But it would be interesting to see in 10, 20 years what the prices are on original 918s,
recommissioned from Porsche 918s and then these recommissioning from these other people
that do recommissionings and change colors.
Or what's the values are going to, you know, what, where are you going to line up?
I think obviously the Sunderwunch is the best.
Get the $9.59 world.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, where will it end up?
Yeah.
As far as pricing, will it hurt them?
Will it not hurt them?
That'll be something we can't see right now, but in 10, 20 years.
Oh, so between the Ferrari, this spider and the orange spider, that's a big chunk of change.
What was the total volume of dollars moved at Mecom?
I have no idea.
It's with 4,500 cars.
I, it's got to be like in the, you know, 300 million range.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Oh, I'm sure it's crazy.
Mandy's on the keyboard finding out while he's doing that.
I'm just curious because I mean, these are, we're just talking about three cars and we've
just talked about some serious amount.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it's, it's probably bigger than the GDP of some very small countries.
I mean, there's a lot of money.
Yeah.
There's nothing compared to all the Ferraris that were sold.
Yeah.
Well, you know, hats off to Mecom because a lot of people say Mecom is just where you
sell hot rods and American muscle, but there was some serious hardware.
Some serious hardware from the German, Italian.
Was there a bunch of yellow Ferraris too?
Yeah, there was yellow Ferraris.
Definitely, if you think their image is just hot rods.
No.
Like I said, there were a pair of 9.62s they didn't sell, but they were there.
And our favorite center seat, 718 that we see every year at Monterey that we sell.
The freaking flyer.
Nice.
As I can only imagine that somebody who's significant others said, you got to sell this.
So they're.
Are you talking about the Centro car?
No, not that one.
Remember the 718, it's always in Monterey inside the glass building.
It's a center seat.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We did a video on it.
Really?
Unless it happens to be a different buyer who's selling it again.
Oh, huh.
But it never sells.
So it could have been a different buyer because it's been going on for a long time.
So it's basically, I'm going to put it for sale, but I don't really want it to be sold.
And I'll just take it out and then I can.
That happens sometimes when, you know.
Yep.
Sure, you can have my car.
You fly me out, do me, you know, have me.
Our favorite colonel did that when his wife told, his first wife told me he had to sell the car.
Oh.
He priced it very high.
Yeah.
Everyone thought he was on drugs because pricing it at high, but he knew what he was doing.
He knew what he was doing.
He had a strategy.
And thus he still owns both of them.
Just like I had a strategy this weekend.
We'll talk about that a little bit later.
All right, let's talk about the 1998 911 Carrera S Cabriolet wide body.
So a cab has its day.
So this got our attention because, well, we got our attention was that, I thought it was that,
remember the 95 Turbo we saw?
No, the green C4S.
No, no, no, no, the 95 Turbo.
See, you think you know everything, you know, 95 Turbo, we saw Emilia Allen.
Oh, Emilia Allen, yes, yes, yes, yes.
We got our attention because there wasn't a 95 Turbo built.
And anyways, this was a special car that was built.
We read the description and we said we had to include this one.
One of five 993 generation Carrera 2 Cabriolet was offered with factory S Equipment and wide
body by Beverly Hills Porsche.
So not a factory wide with endorsement and support from the exclusive department
of Porsche Cards, North America for celebrity clients.
Only thing I can imagine when this says with endorsement and support,
I just imagine bars on the other end saying, yeah, you do whatever you want to do with your car.
But I like who the celebrity is.
Yes, I thought about you.
Originally purchased by hairstylist Paul Mitchell.
Paul Mitchell.
Stop, stop, stop.
For his son Angus.
Oh, nice.
Who signed the maintenance manual in service record.
Signed by Paul Mitchell's son.
That's a stretch.
I wanted to look it up because I said this guy's bald.
That would be ultimate.
How much product is on the headrest?
Letter from Beverly Hills Porsche confirming this is one of the car that was modified
prior to being sold as a new car.
So this is interesting to me.
One, I think we all know finding a clean example 993.
Coop is difficult.
So we're starting to see, you know, cabriolets coming into price.
This wide body, not a factory wide body.
This is 60,000 miles.
It's black on black.
Can I ask one thing?
Yeah.
Can we do an intervention about the chrome twist?
Oh, it's pretty correct.
It's pretty correct for a car in the 1980s.
It doesn't matter.
I agree with Rob.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think I cannot abide the.
Maybe the Californians will chime in on the comments.
But 90s, the 80s, I would say that was chrome.
What they were using already.
But like what you did in your car.
Well, God bless your car.
But those polished wheels.
Yes.
Is very 80s.
Yes.
But I don't think they were doing it that much in 90s.
I think the polished wheel train has left the station.
Why then?
I don't know.
Whatever region or show offered those chrome wheels on the.
Was it the millennium or the 40th anniversary edition?
I can tell you.
And they had a Boxster with the chrome wheel option.
I can tell you up to at least the mid 90s, especially in Southern California.
When you bought a car, more than likely your car came with chrome wheels.
It was like one of the most common dealer quote unquote upgrades for any car.
You bought a Lexus LS 430 badges.
You would get chrome wheels would grow gold badges.
I know it doesn't make it okay though.
If you buy a Camry, it would come with chrome wheels and gold badges.
So I totally understand why this car comes with chrome wheels.
I'm not saying I like it, but you know.
But then also this car has quite the stance.
So it's got some kind of aftermarket suspension on it.
To me, it's not that special, but yet a pulled 190.
And it didn't sell.
Yeah.
The big goes on.
Oh, the big goes on at 190.
I would have taken that money.
And it's Paul Mitchell's son.
Paul Mitchell's son has value to it.
All right.
And then I see the bigger exhaust tips for the motor sound package,
which isn't even clean.
Like the car is not that way.
Here's what I'm doing.
First of all, like I said, the chrome twists need to go.
I would get one of those French carbon fiber hard tops that cupifies it.
He's been talking about this.
He's been talking about.
I think those are so cool.
The Rob Sas hack for getting yourself a.
It's just been $197,000, but you don't want to kind of relay.
You want to go to cheap way to get a poop.
So you could buy poop for this much money.
190, I can think of, I would take a GT4 RS.
You could buy a GT4 RS for 190, right?
You can buy a Spider, a GT4 Spider.
There's a lot.
For 130, 140.
Yeah.
But you realize they never made a Carrera S carb relay.
And they still didn't because that's not a really.
Or I mean, why?
But that was a dealer made one.
Wait, did we see?
Does it have like the split?
It has a split grill.
Grill.
That's a little girl.
I mean, it looks to look, but it's not a factory build.
Again, I would have taken and they they left.
What?
I don't even know what that sticker is on the bumperette.
Oh, this car's from Delaware.
So they're kind of close to us.
I don't mean to be mean, but they do have great place.
Let me clarify.
Cs, Carrera S's were all wide body.
What they did was make it into a cab relay.
So they did the opposite of what you wanted to do.
Oh, so it started life.
Yeah.
Because when I read it, I'm like, wait a minute.
Carrera S's were always wide body.
That was the beauty of the story.
Most of the wide body part of the car is actually factored.
Because it's a factory rest.
Wait, this was a cut.
Hold on a second.
This was a cut coupe.
It says one of five nine and three generation two cab relays
modified with factory S equipment and wide.
So maybe they took a cab relay.
Yes.
They took a cab relay and made it look like an F.
It made it look like an F.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, you read it earlier.
So I'm like, no, that doesn't sound right.
Right.
So again, it's not a factory wide body.
I don't even think it's an S.
No, it's not an S.
It's not an S.
Because S's never came in cab relays.
I don't even know why would you even highlight the one of five part of it
because it was a dealer built car.
I see S's never came in cab relays.
It was this model year S.
Because it had the split grill.
Well, then there's the celebrity ownership.
The Paul Mitchell provide.
That's the cream on top.
How do you brag about that in the cars and coffee?
Paul Mitchell.
I have Paul Mitchell's car.
Not Paul Mitchell's car.
Oh, Paul Mitchell's car.
Angus Mitchell's car.
Yeah.
I mean, is that a flex?
Is that something you or do you have to go take it to people's hair?
Do you go to hair meetings?
I think I have a bigger deal flex.
And I don't even say it about my car.
You know who my car was owned by, right?
He's also soon.
Oh, you're a turbo.
I thought you meant to say it again.
Michael Eisner of Disney.
That's a bigger flex.
I know, but I never say it.
I don't go to cars and cars.
Hey, you know, you like Disney?
This car was owned by the guy that was the CEO of Disney.
Bob Iker?
All right.
Next, we go to another Carrera S Cabriolet,
but this one is a 2006.
So have you looked at this yet?
I have not.
10,000 miles.
10,000 miles.
97.1.
Yes.
I like it with the lobster interior.
As we know, the cheapest way to get into a 997 is a cabriolet.
That's beautiful.
$79,000.
I think.
And it's a .1.
.1.
I think that's a pretty car.
Yeah.
But we're not arguing about that.
$79,000.
It's a .1.
Is it for someone who wanted to relive their or just dreamt about low miles?
Are you saying it pulled too much money?
You think it's too high?
How many miles around this thing?
10,000 miles.
I think a 10,000 mile .1 car at $79 is reasonably bought for how clean that thing looks.
I think it looks like a brand new car.
Well, it should be.
Who?
Carrera S.
Carrera S.
What would you think that car should have gone for?
Don't say $50,000.
Then I won't say it, but I was thinking.
I knew that's what you were thinking.
I know.
That's too clean of a car.
I mean, you know, it's what?
Silver with boxer, red, full leather.
Is it an S?
Almost $80,000 in paper.
It's an immaculate car.
Right.
Is it an S?
It's an S.
Yeah.
I mean.
Terracotta interior is beautiful.
I don't think they got a steel, but I think that's a super nice car.
You've got a 3.8 liter M97, you know, and all that that entails.
You're trying to avoid the three three letters.
I know what you're trying to do.
I mean, what?
Not like public or funneled or anything.
I'm really worried about the three letters, the two letters.
The, you know, the four scoring.
Oh, that.
Oh, I wouldn't be afraid of it.
All right.
I think that's it.
I think I think that was right.
That was bought at retail.
Jake's going to call you up after the podcast.
I think that I think that was bought.
It is it is super clean, low mileage.
And if it's the color combination that you wanted, you know, the paint,
the paint meter matches up.
I mean, it's just you know what?
Actually, I'll tell you, I would pay that for this car with 40,000
miles and a fresh engine from Jay Gravy.
Yeah.
You would have to pay more than that because that's a motor from Jake's like 30 grand.
Well, I know.
But I mean, that, you know, this car, it would be close to 79 79.
So Hagrid is putting on a 46,000 for that car.
Good condition.
Well, I mean, this car is a two or a one, not a three.
Yeah.
So I mean, this car is a one.
So whatever one.
But that's someone's weekend car that they're going to put a couple
thousand miles on it.
So they're, so they're going to buy a one to drive it on the weekends.
Why not?
People.
Freaking.
Yeah.
I guess it was a million dollar car.
Money is money is no object.
And they're like, you know what?
I want a 997.
This could be the right.
I think I think the person that bought this says this is a beautiful car.
I can put it in my at my beach house and I'll drive it on the weekends when I'm at
the beach.
And what can you buy today for 79 grand?
What's your world?
A 991 camera leg.
Yeah.
This is a really expensive 997.
I mean, I fully respect it because it's a low miles and that's what's driven.
Yeah.
Then then.
It's just a super clean car.
You're limited by your selection because most of them don't have 10,000 miles.
The thing is, if this were a coupe, you know, I'd say.
Okay.
Sure.
But we know about low about low mile cars is that every time we drive them the
thing to me is specials don't go away.
Right.
But I mean, what would you do?
I mean, for $80,000 and, you know, partially due to things.
I'm not saying I would.
The 997 market is nutty right now.
But $80,000 probably buys you a 30,000 mile base career .2 coupe manual.
$80,000.
If it was my $80,000 and I wanted a cabriolet, I would have done a 996 turbo cab.
That's what I would have done.
Oh, I mean, well, yeah.
That's getting close to and that's actually getting close to turbo S05.
Right.
It's not a real lake.
Honestly, you know.
You're talking a really rare bird.
Yeah.
Not that I've been looking at this market, but right now.
It's such a bad liar.
No, I mean, there are a number of 996 turbo cabs, not S's.
Of course, you know, manuals on the market right now for under $60,000.
So those cars, I should not have said that.
You're done now.
I know.
I know I didn't ever drove this car.
Those wheels are the biggest pain in the butt to clean.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, unless you have some kind of therapy by cleaning every little spoke.
Look at that.
This is Maddie's touchstone for every wheel design ever.
Yeah, of course.
Unless you got someone cleaning the wheels for you,
someone has to clean them, right?
Clean the wheels.
And I know people will say, oh, ceramic coat them.
They'll just wash off.
They don't just wash off.
You still got to get in there and clean.
Now, brake dust is the most.
All right, let's go to.
So that car was $79,000, 10,000 miles.
Again, I think that was for retail.
But hey, hopefully they're happy with the car.
Let's come down to mortal level cars.
We're talking about an 87, 944.
I don't know if this is mortal, which how much it went for.
But get ready if you're watching YouTube.
Shield your eyes for this color.
So we think Rob and I believe that the photography,
whoever filtered it or whatnot is all right.
Yeah, right.
Damien, can you pull up summer yellow and rainbow?
Yeah.
And see what other example.
That is really bright.
We both are highlighter.
So it looks like a highlighter yellow 944.
It looks pretty straight, pretty clean.
What was it?
What was the hammer price on that car?
30 something?
Four.
It's a base.
Eight valors.
34,000.
$34,000.
And that summer yellow, you said?
Summer yellow, yep.
87 would be the year we're looking at the year.
No, that's the wrong summer yellow.
That's the 914 version of summer yellow.
You had it earlier.
There, one on the right.
Yeah, there we go.
That looks right.
That looks right.
Really, I'll go back to the other one right now.
Okay, you think that looks more pale?
Yeah, they cranked up the saturation.
Okay, see this is, I just googled it and that's what summer yellow looks like.
Yeah, it's much more pastel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, this, so for those of you that can't see the screen,
we're looking at 87, 944 in summer yellow where the photographer,
maybe added extra depth to the color so it doesn't look as pale as it should.
I still think it's a pretty color.
It looks like it has like Boxster wheels on it.
Yeah, like 17-inch Boxster.
Boxster wheels look very straight.
$34,000 for this car.
It better be well sorted and everything's new on it.
It's, again, it's the color premium.
Summer yellow was, I think, 87 and 88 only.
Best 400 made.
One of 400, 944 is produced in summer yellow.
So, and this is original paint car?
It looks like it, there's little telltale signs that,
when you tell 944s have been repainted.
Yeah.
And just looking at those telltale signs, it looks like it may, it should be.
Why don't you tell one of those telltale signs, man?
Because I thought that was interesting when we were talking about this earlier.
The two bolts that mount, I guess, the rear quarter window where the hatch mounts,
there's two bolts and almost every single 944 I've seen repaint it.
For some reason, they paint over these bolts.
You see them body color?
Yeah.
That's a giveaway that has been repainted.
So, here's another picture off of Rennlis that I don't know if we're sharing here.
But yeah, I saw Damon, that's the right color.
That's, you know, yeah, that's the way it should look like.
Yeah, it's just a little bit more pastel.
I mean, it's interesting, it is, you know, if you want to get super geeky,
it's the only real yellow that the 944 was ever offered in.
There was Pasadena yellow, which is really beige.
You know, so summer yellow is it if you want a yellow 944.
But I mean, to me, this is kind of a, yeah, you know, a decent,
but we talk about auction prep, the thing that would drive me up the wall.
See, right there, that picture Damon has, look at that rear wiper.
What if it killed them to move it to the correct position?
Yeah.
You know, I, this car, I think it was, I thought it was, I think it's bought well for 34 grand.
In that pretty color, the only thing I would change is I don't think the,
the boxed of wheels are correct for the car.
What I would do.
No, I can guarantee you.
I know.
I know.
But what I'm saying is it doesn't go with the looks.
What I would do is I would get the, I would get the 17 inch phone dials.
Phone dials.
Exactly.
And that car would look.
Exactly.
The car would.
17 or 16 because they were made 17.
I know.
I know.
That's what I'm saying.
You get, you get the bigger, bigger.
There was a cardoon stock that had them in there.
Fantastic.
Just that they look all, that car would look incredible with modern phone.
And I would say looking at the interior, the mileage matches the exterior.
It's, it looks very straight.
No damage.
I like it.
It's a simple black interior.
What would you expect to pay for this car in, in white or guards red though?
35,000 mile clean, you know, valve base.
It's the same.
Yeah.
Rounder, not that many out there or just kind of mileage in that kind of condition.
Right.
There, I mean, there isn't.
I think it would still be high twenties.
Right.
I think you buy this car for 25 in another color.
Yeah.
So the, there's like a 10 grand premium for the summer yellow, which makes sense.
No.
Okay.
Good looking car.
All right.
Congratulations to its new owner.
Oh, here's my birth year car of mine.
Let's see.
74 914.
Pretty color.
That's kind of like the color of the car that you used to have.
This is the metallic one.
This is marathon blue.
I think I had Olympic, but yeah, it's a good looking car.
So my 72 came with those wheels.
I don't see 914 with those wheels very often.
That's called the steelys.
Those are the steelys.
Those are like VW.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd see those on a Beetle camera.
This is a two liter also.
And the two liters and 74, they realized all the stuff we were giving away in 73 for free,
we should be charging.
And so they made all the options, all the things that were standard optional on the two liter.
That's interesting because I've never seen a two liter of steelys.
But that's why you don't have chrome bumpers.
Yeah.
That's why some two liters are lacking in options and some obviously aren't.
But it's a great color.
I'm not big on having Porsche script on the side, but I do like the way they did on the 914.
This is roughly 60,000 mile car.
And how much did it go for?
187.
187.
That was a deal.
Smoking deal.
What do you think it was?
Bob Brown and I were looking at it yesterday.
Yeah, that's a great deal.
Interior looks great.
It's for what 914s go for?
Looking at the front trunk.
Oh, it's got the special center console, right?
The figure out lighter delete package.
It does have air conditioning.
Although we...
What are the odds that it works?
Zero.
Zero.
Less than zero.
Well, even when it did work new, I don't think it was...
Yeah.
It was...
But I mean, unless there's something really hellish going on in the hellhole of this car,
this was probably well bought by close to $10,000, maybe?
Yeah.
For anyone looking for a 2-liter, this is one of those desirable years.
I would say just needs a little bit of work to make it even better.
But for $18,000, heck yeah.
Let's hope it went to an end user.
For a vintage Porsche.
Yeah.
Let's hope it went to an end user.
For a vintage air-cooled Porsche.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's true, Robin.
I'll see it.
I might see it again.
Right.
I'll bring a trailer or something.
Because I think it was worth much more than...
Yeah, I do too.
I assume.
I'll tell somebody who's going to enjoy it.
All right.
Let's talk about another Transaxle car.
This one is a $19,93,968.
And black over black, I believe?
This one was the deal of the show.
Oh, my God.
We got Damon's approval.
Well, guess how much I bought?
See, this is why I would never buy a 9,680 for $20,000 bucks.
Wow.
So my 9,340 for us too.
Guess what I bought it for in 2007?
I don't know.
I had no idea.
$8,000.
I was going to say $8,000, yeah.
Yeah.
This is a deal.
Not...
So here we go.
We're looking at this again.
$19,93,968 looks very straight.
It's weird that it's in someone's backyard
with a fence kind of photos.
But it only went hammered at $9,900.
I said, I said you could get a Porsche for $9,000
or one for $6,000.
I wonder what time of the day this went through.
I like, was it super early or super late?
Usually the cheaper ones on like a Thursday.
It went across on Wednesday.
So it went earlier in the week.
Right.
Six speeds.
So if you're looking for a...
And if you look at the back seat,
they include the original steering wheel.
And for some reason, a sun visor.
Yeah.
And it's a Florida car.
Okay.
Let's not...
Yeah, that's rough.
That's rough on the inside.
Well, you can look at the puckered, you know,
seat piping until it came from...
But again, we're talking $9,000.
$9,000, yeah.
I still think it's worth it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Heck yeah.
Well, it's long.
It's...
I could see less.
I got $115,000 a mile down.
I would put that in a heartbeat.
And you know how useful these cars are
for daily commuting?
Right.
Do you fold down that back seat?
I took home a six-foot bookshelf in my 924S.
Would you find yourself in a 968?
For $9,000?
For $9,000?
For $9,000 a daily drive?
You were there?
Clearly, neither of you remember the black 968.
Oh, I remember.
Yeah.
I remember you.
I think I would...
I'm going to get killed in this one.
I would rather have a 968 than a 944 Turbo.
Oh.
I like to normally aspirate it.
Yeah.
I'm with you.
I think most people would agree with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You would get slammed for that?
I mean, a three-liter engine was beautiful.
Three-liter four-cylinder.
You will never see the likes of that again.
And that was a work of art that they did.
It's a final goodbye.
Yeah.
And the car, I think, was great looking.
I like the refresh that they gave it.
Get it, headlights.
Yours was nice, but yeah, you sold it.
I did.
But I did have it for two years.
I drove it to works.
So, you know.
I tell you what, I've been proud of you.
Like, you haven't bought anything,
or maybe I don't know that you bought something,
but you haven't bought anything in a while.
Like, you're turning into a normal car adder.
I bought the nice.
Is that the new wife limiter?
Oh.
No, no, no.
If anything, she's an enabler.
Oh, my God.
I'm so lucky.
I mean, you know, half the time when I'm looking at car ads,
she's doing the same thing.
Oh, wasn't she looking for a Porsche
because her car got totaled?
Yeah, she's looking for another Boxster.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
She's patient unlike somebody else.
Like, she's been looking for a while.
She wants a white one, you know?
Oh.
They're not all that.
Stan Thorn has one.
He has a really nice white one.
She wants a white one with everything done.
You know, if it's a 986, you know,
she doesn't want to be the person to do the IMS bearing,
you know?
So she's, and plus, you know, it's Toronto.
It's minus eight there today.
So it can wait a few months.
Yeah.
Well, it's a good time to buy in Toronto, though.
I was looking for a Boxster.
And I would love to hear if anyone was in Florida
for this auction and sold this car what they thought of it.
But yeah, 9,000.
That's a good car.
All right, let's look at our next one.
This is a 2008 9-11 Carrera and it's a Coupe.
And this one, yeah.
Went for 77,000.
Less than the Carrera S-Cab.
Why?
Let's see why.
That's why we are all here.
What's the page?
So it's guards read 2100 or 2,200 miles.
2,200 miles?
Did you?
Oh, wow.
So again, why would you buy that 997 Carrera S-Cab for 79,000?
Well, it just doesn't make sense unless you're like,
you know what?
I just want a 997 Carrera Cab.
I don't care how much it costs because I'm just going to drive it
and who cares what the retail value is.
Most people don't get into the Porsche world
with that mindset, which is why it's so crazy.
So here's what I like about Meekum is I bet you there's a lot of people
that go to Meekum thinking they're going to buy a hot rod
or buy something, something, something, and then they say,
oh, this is a nice looking Cabriolet Porsche, $79,000.
They know nothing about the market.
They know nothing.
But all they know is they're going to get a cool looking Cabriolet 911
for $79,000.
I was curious as to why someone sat on this 911 based 911 from 08.
It only has 2,200 miles.
That's crazy.
Did they read about IMS or board scoring and something got petrified?
And parked it?
No.
I bet it was owned by somebody wealthy that it was an extra car.
But if they're wealthy, they probably would have traded in and got something else.
Right?
Just sad at the house they handed it into.
Like a side piece at the Manny.
What?
I don't know.
What did some of it?
I mean, it's really strange.
The last two cars are doppelgangers of I had the Black Black 968 Coupe
and I had the Guards Red and Sand 997 Coupe.
I will also say that I bet you it's harder to sell this car in a way
than the Silver over the Silver over, what color was it?
That was like Boxster Red.
Boxster Red.
Terracotta Red.
Terracotta, yeah.
A red car is hard to sell.
So I'm going to...
Well, red, nobody seems to like Sand Beige.
I will tell you that.
That that was one of the things when I was selling my Guards Red.
So you think a Silver 911 is easier to sell than a Red?
Absolutely.
Coupe?
100%.
When the market for the Coupes is way stronger.
I'm telling you, people buy on color.
But a 911?
A 911?
I can see your point for a daily car.
How many Red 911s do you see being bought now?
New ones.
Almost not a ton.
I don't know.
I mean, I think the earlier hypothesis was right.
The Silver with red car had a lot of presence.
The red interior popped.
I think it was just somebody there who maybe wasn't,
yeah, particularly up on the Porsche hierarchy,
just thought it was an attractive car and said,
wow, for a third the price of this charger convertible from 1971,
which feels like pieces are going to drop off at every time I drive it,
I can have this Porsche.
This car had 9,000 miles?
No, 2,200.
No, look at the odometer.
What's the same 2,200?
So this car, look.
2,200.
Oh, this is 900 miles.
Okay, I'm sorry.
2,100.
So for people who are not watching, it's the trip odometer is 895,
but the odometer is 2,180.
What happens when you get discount laser eye surgery?
Look at the floor mats you chose to put in the car though.
Like, why would you put those floor mats on there?
It looks so utilitarian.
Yeah, I don't know.
But, you know, I will tell you when I had the identical .2 car and I was selling it,
everybody's like, well, I like the car, but the sand beige interior,
I just can't deal with that.
And it's mainly, it's the steering wheel.
That's the one that was part of the lawsuit,
where the settlement was a certificate for sunglasses.
Sunglasses, yeah, because of glare.
That was a class action settlement.
And I've had-
What the lawyers get?
I'm sure they got more to sunglasses.
Yeah.
Wow.
But between the glare and what, I don't like sand beige is because keeping it clean.
It's just, when you see sand beige, when it hasn't been cleaned,
it just shows every piece of dirt.
Why they had to do the steering wheel in sand beige, you know, I mean,
that was honestly the first thing that I did is I bought a black steering wheel
for my car because I just couldn't stand the sand beige wheel.
Yep, I agree.
All right.
Let's see here.
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Anything before we get into events?
No.
No.
I do want to congratulate the Porsche Panorama team for a solid year of content in 2025.
And if you haven't checked your mailboxes recently,
the coveted January issue, which is the design issue, maybe you can just share
for those that haven't gotten in their mailbox,
so a little preview of what the design issue is all about.
It's an annual thing that we do every January.
It's the whole thing is shot by famous photographer Michael Allen Ross.
And this year it was done at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California
with some truly incredible cars.
So hope you enjoy it.
Why don't you tell them what it is?
How many cars do we have?
Okay.
There was a 997 GT2 RS, a 935-19, and a 959, not a Comfort, but an S.
Nice.
So and input from some truly great and famous designers,
Grant Larson, Freeman Thomas, among others.
So very cool.
And there's an Easter egg in it that I think a lot of people will spot.
It does have something to do with Freeman Thomas, but it's fun.
You'll like it.
Cool.
All right.
I want to remind folks, if you haven't signed up for Tech Tactics East,
the Saturday Tech Tactics East is sold out.
We do have a few slots for Sunday, so we'd love to see you there.
We've got some cool stuff that we will be giving away at the event.
We have an awesome list of presenters, and we also have,
don't forget, the Dicast Concord.
We're bringing your favorite Dicast car out for the Concord,
and they'll be judged in some great prizes.
Works for Union, Amelia Island.
I'm actually headed down there tomorrow to do a site visit,
but we'll be there officially on March 6th.
The judge area is sold out.
We still have spaces for the Corral, and if you have a business
and you would like to exhibit, please let us know.
And the featured car is...
So we will be featuring the Transaxle cars,
as well as recognizing 50 years of motorsports.
Excellent.
Oh, boo.
Oh, 75 years.
Sorry to interrupt, but I have to also mention
Jeff Swartz's contribution to design issue.
I'd be enormously remiss if I didn't do that.
Absolutely.
Let's see.
Also want to remind you that by the time this comes out,
I think, that registration for Phase One
for Porsche Parade, which will be in Lake Placid,
that opens January 28th.
The event itself is June 14th through the 20th,
and there's about 10 hotels that we have rooms blocked for.
Once you register in Phase One,
then we will send you the key code or the link
to be able to make your registrations at the hotel,
because if you try to do that before registering to for Phase One,
they won't actually give you access to that.
So you got to register first,
then you'll get the key code to be able to make
your reservations at the hotels that we've blocked off.
We recently dropped a podcast giving you lots of details
of what to do at Porsche Parade events.
Some of you aren't able to listen to all of it,
but I would say you can go to the website.
Even in the podcast, if you look in the sections,
Manny goes through all of our podcasts
and gives you links and timestamps
of what we're talking about.
So if you're looking for a particular issue,
check out the timestamps and get yourself started.
Or you can also follow the Parade Facebook page,
the Parade Instagram.
They're updated obviously just for Parade stuff,
so there's a lot of ways you can keep abreast
of what's going to be going on.
Make sure you check the webpage that's constantly being updated.
So if you want to be informed, there's a lot of resources.
And as we get closer, there'll be specific videos for attendees,
especially first-time attendees.
That'll tell you everything about Parade,
and you'll come fully equipped.
Or you can just wing it and be surprised when you get there.
Yeah, but I definitely would suggest
that you make your decisions and try to do things earlier
because you have most things available to you
when you do it early.
If you wait till the end, you might be disappointed
that you won't get into certain things
or there won't be rooms available.
So insider tip is take care of it early.
We recently announced the presenters for Treffen at C2026,
which sales September 19th.
You can book your rooms now at Princess Cruises.
We have lined up one of our favorites.
Many of you have chimed in.
Nathan Merz will be back.
We have Bruce Meyer.
We have Alan Springer.
And we have Tim McNair.
This will be a wine cruise going out of Vancouver
down to San Francisco, down to Santa Barbara,
and then ending up at LA.
There'll be things that you'll be able to do
before you get on the ship.
Once we visit San Francisco and Santa Barbara,
we're looking to do things with the regions,
looking to do things at vineyards.
And while we're at sea, we'll have wine partners on board
as well as these seminars.
And then once we get to LA,
surely we'll have a list of things that you'll want to see,
such as the Peterson Museum, the Porsche Experience Center in LA.
Bogdan.
Bogdan.
And the list goes on.
Let's see, is there anything you want to mention
with regards to videos, Damon?
I know we've dropped some recent parade videos.
Yeah, so we just released a video by David Bankson,
our PCA EV technical coordinator.
He gave a presentation of parade in Oklahoma City last year,
dispelling myths about Porsche's EVs in general,
but specifically Porsche EVs.
There's a lot, I think, of misinformation,
or people just don't know enough about electric cars,
the warranties, how Porsche supports these cars.
Look at my email inbox from this morning.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a couple things.
Why do you keep pushing electric cars?
Well, we can't not cover a car that our members buy.
They're part of the club too.
Yes.
But yeah, it's a very illuminating video,
if you are wondering, especially in the market for a used Taycan,
which are the deal of the decade right now, as far as price,
arm yourself with knowledge about what to do, what happened,
how does Porsche support the batteries,
will a warranty cover the battery, all that sort of stuff.
David Bankson covers it in that video.
And I think you'll be surprised at how well supported these vehicles are.
You know, one of the surprising things that I get,
especially when we're at the Chesapeake region after holiday party,
is they're saying, so is Porsche going back to ice vehicles
and not doing EVs into the future?
And I don't say I laugh, because recently they just dropped a little factoid.
They sold more EV vehicles than ice vehicles in Europe in 2025.
So they're not going to back away.
Are they going to change their strategy?
Absolutely.
But EVs are still in their future.
And so the balance is, or I guess what they have to figure out
is what is the balance that they're going to produce ice versus EV?
Because there's still lots of countries that EV will be the only thing
that they can sell, right?
So I think Manny says it all the time.
EVs are here to stay.
It's just a question of...
Something recently, and I should actually know this.
So Norway recently either all of their, so 95% electric cars on the road
or in 2025, 95% of new cars sold were electric, which is crazy to think about.
But yeah, some countries are doing it.
Well, some countries have the infrastructure and some it's worked for them.
Big news from north of the border is that Canada is going to allow
in a certain number of Chinese EVs this year, which is going to be interesting,
including the Xiaomi Su7, which is Google.
It's pretty interesting.
If you roll up here in one of those, that's going to be pretty interesting.
But it would be pretty interesting to benchmark one against a Taycan at some point.
Exactly.
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I knew you'd be bragging if your strategy at the Yankee swap had worked.
Well, you know, here's...
So, okay, yes, we'll close on this one.
So, the Chesapeake region has an after-holiday party, which Mr. Gutierre and Manny host a Yankee
swap.
Or do people call that also white elephant as well?
Oh, no.
Anyways...
They call it steel gift.
Steel gift.
So, anyways...
I think when Ellen Bob took it over or started it together, they changed it to Yankee swap.
It's really, really fun.
And so, you can choose to participate.
And it's basically one gift per couple.
You put all the gifts in on a table, and then you have these rounds where people come up,
open the gift, they bring it back to their table.
The next person that gets called can either steal the gift or go to the table and at the end,
you know, round and round.
So, it's a lot of fun, but obviously, most of the gifts are fantastic.
But there's some gifts that are just kind of ho-hum.
And so, you have to have some sort of strategy to kind of be in play so that...
Because if you're like one of the last people that get to pick the gift, then that's what
you're going to go home with, right?
So, anyways...
So, what did you have stolen before you did the blue strategy?
So, my strategy is always try to steal something that is of value.
So, that way you stay in play.
Not necessarily something that you want to go home with.
Always try to steal something.
Really, John Dillinger's...
You only steal the thing that you want if it's at the very end.
So, you know, someone...
You want to steal a popular item that they stole them all.
Yeah. Someone brought a sign or two signed Kelly Telfer prints.
People bought like this huge canvas.
I forget what our dollar amount is to spend, but there's people that...
25 to 50, but...
Yeah, but these were like hundreds of dollars of value.
Somebody brought an authentic Porsche screwdriver set.
Oh, yeah. The Porsche Classic tool set, which that's what I was gunning for.
Anyways, my strategy would have worked, however, when you get sent to the table,
that's usually like the worst odds of you...
Because if you get something bad off the table, that you're just gonna...
Because you don't know what the present is.
Because you don't know what the present is.
Present is.
So, anyways, I was doing pretty well.
It lasted for a while, and then I was sent to the table because I had the tools,
and when I opened up my gift, it was a book from PCA National Office and an ornament,
which I already have.
Was that before you opened up your own gift or after?
Oh, no. That's what your strategy was.
Right. So, the first time I went to the table, because I was going to the table,
I was like, it's better that I open up a gift that I know that's of pretty good value.
And so I knew...
That someone will want to steal.
That someone would want to steal.
So, I went to the table and grabbed the gift that I brought.
So, I brought the 143rd Scale Club Coop, which is pretty darn good value in itself.
But then also, I had a rent support reunion grill badge.
And if you look at that on eBay, significant value.
So, I'm like, you know what?
I'm gonna go and grab that because someone's gonna steal it from me,
and then I'm gonna be back in play.
And it did work for a while until I got sent to the table.
Yeah, he became the fourth steal in the realm.
Yeah. And so, now I'm stuck with this book and this ornament.
Which, you know, whatever.
It's like, if I go home with something cool, great.
But if not, it's no big deal.
But a long time...
The book that we have about 1,000 copies of, the one I parade the gift, everyone.
So, Donna Brandt, long time PCAer.
I think she was a past secretary of national or just the region.
Anyways, I'm thinking I'm going home with the stuff or I'm gonna give it to somebody.
And she comes and takes the book and the ornament.
And I'm like, I can't believe I'm back in play.
And like, this is like towards the end.
But like, you know how...
The suspense is killing me.
You know how you have like an angel and a devil on your shoulder?
And like, the devil is like, oh, you should just go get the tool set, right?
I couldn't do it.
I was like, I knew it wasn't right that I'm back in play
because like, there's no one should have taken this from me.
I don't know why Donna decided to take it from me.
But I couldn't do it.
Like, I couldn't steal something like legit.
So my plan was, you know what?
I'm going to put Manny in play.
My toy that I'm happy with.
He walks up and takes it away.
And also for the effects.
It took Manny's toy?
So for the effect, for the effect in the crowd.
Because I was going to give it to him.
Like, what was I going to do with the toy?
So, so I walk up and I take his toy and the crowd's like, oh, no, I can't believe it.
I'm like, this is my childhood, I don't remember again.
Exactly, I took his toy.
I took his toy and I sat down and I was fine.
I was like, no, no one's going to steal Manny's toy
or the toy that I have now.
So I'll just give it to Manny at the end.
Like, it's done. It's fine.
Like, I knew I was going to go.
I was happy that I was going home with this.
There's a best laid plan.
Right. So then some, and then he steals like another toy.
And I'm like, why didn't he steal,
why didn't he steal the number one like Prince
so that he could be back in play and get something really cool?
He just, I was happy of my little toy.
So he was, I didn't need to be back in play.
We didn't strategize together.
Like, he wasn't reading my signals.
He wasn't reading my signals.
I think people thought I was lying,
that I was genuinely, I liked my little toy.
Yeah.
It was a 917.
And you've seen him advertised.
They look like Porsche,
but I don't think they're authorized by Porsche.
That's like a cartoon version.
They make a bargain too.
Manny sounds like right now,
how I imagine that 997 Carrera S Cabra
lay buyer sounded when they were buying that car.
I just wanted my 997 cab.
Didn't really matter.
I just wanted it.
He just wanted it.
Nobody stole it from him or her.
You're right.
True.
Very true.
Anyways, he gets another 118 scale,
I think George Fulmer car or something like that.
Yeah, they rock.
Like, okay, I rock car.
I'm like, okay, no one's going to steal from him.
So I thought we were done.
I thought we're set.
At the end of the evening,
I'll just give him the car and then we'll be good.
Lo and behold, someone steals his Foreman car,
a Fulmer car, and then he comes and steals the car back from me.
He steals the back from me, which is funny, which is fine.
And then I think I go to the table.
I go to the table with that.
And then I get like a hot wheels and something.
Oh, Porsche coasters, whatever.
Anyways, at the end of the night,
I ended up giving it to Donna Brand.
So my strategy would have worked if I was evil
because I could have taken the tool set, but I didn't.
I felt bad because really no one should have taken what I had.
So anyways, it all worked out.
I did a good karma too because Fawn, who stole my I-Rock car,
he came up to me afterwards.
He goes, listen, I already have an orange one of these.
I said, well, this is blue.
He goes, no, I don't need all the colors.
I already have an orange one.
You can have it.
And I said, well, you know, I stole it from Rich.
I said, so give it to Rich.
Oh, nice.
He wanted it.
I said, I got my little toy, so I'm happy.
Wow.
Well, it was a lot of fun.
Goodwill to all men.
Yes, but anyways, congratulations to the Chesapeake region
on a wonderful after-holiday party.
And congratulations to all that, you know, chose wisely.
Chose wisely.
Or to buy a better sound system than McDonald's right through the head.
I did feel bad next year.
If you guys want to borrow the speaker and microphone system,
we'd more than happy to loan it to you
because that was a little bit difficult.
I needed Damon there with the control board controlling the peaks.
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About this episode
The episode dives into the recent Mecum auction in Kissimmee, Florida, highlighting surprising Porsche sales and the overall auction experience. Hosts Vue Gwynne, Manny Albin, and Rob Sass discuss the excitement of watching auctions, the variety of cars available, and the unique atmosphere that Mecum creates. They share personal anecdotes about car auctions and emphasize the importance of being knowledgeable when bidding. The conversation also touches on market trends in the collector car world, particularly regarding Porsches, and the auction's sell-through rates.
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Ford Pinto
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Porsche 356
Porsche 550 Spyder
Porsche 904
Porsche 907
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Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche 924
Porsche 944
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Original notes
On this episode, we pick several Porsches that recently sold at the Mecum Kissimmee auctions. Mecum had a 74% sell through rate that saw a record breaking $441 million in total sales. There was everything from a $9,900 968 to a $6 million 918 Spyder. We debate whether these Porsches were a good purchase or not based on their sell price, features, and mileage. The 2026 auction season has started and this year will be interesting for the Porsche market. Listen and tell us if you agree with our thoughts.
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