THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! Apr 25, 2025

Tesla Goes Broke, Mercedes Goes Yoke! New Outrun Movie, JDM Legends Ranked!

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Volkswagen

Volkswagen is a car company from Germany that makes many different types of cars, including electric ones.

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EVs

EVs are cars that run on electricity instead of gasoline. They are often better for the environment because they produce less pollution.

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Tesla Model Y

The Model Y is an electric SUV made by Tesla that is similar to their smaller Model 3 car.

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Tesla Cybertruck

The Cybertruck is a futuristic-looking electric truck made by Tesla.

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MSRP

MSRP is the price that the car company suggests you should pay for a car.

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Tesla Model S

The Tesla Model S is a high-end electric car that has been available since 2012. It's known for being fast and having a long driving range on a single charge.

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autonomous driving

Autonomous driving means that a car can drive itself without needing a person to control it. It uses technology like cameras and sensors to navigate the roads.

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electric vehicle (EV)

An electric vehicle, or EV, is a type of car that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. This makes them more environmentally friendly and often cheaper to operate.

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Ferrari 355

The Ferrari 355 is a fast and stylish sports car made by Ferrari. It was popular in the 1990s and is loved for its speed and looks.

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Lexus Es

The Lexus ES is a luxury car made by Lexus, which is a division of Toyota. It's known for being comfortable and reliable, and it's often compared to other luxury sedans.

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Toyota Camry

The Toyota Camry is a popular car that many people use for everyday driving. It's known for being reliable and good on gas.

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Toyota Avalon

The Toyota Avalon is a larger car made by Toyota, designed for comfort and space. It's a bit fancier than the Camry and is often used for family trips or as a comfortable daily driver.

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Toyota Crown

The Toyota Crown is a luxury car made by Toyota, known for being high-end with lots of features and comfort.

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Ioniq 5

The Ioniq 5 is a new electric car from Hyundai that looks modern and has a lot of cool tech inside. It's designed to be roomy and comfortable for passengers.

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Lexus Rz

The Lexus RZ is a new electric SUV from Lexus. It has a modern look and uses technology that allows the steering to be controlled electronically instead of with traditional mechanical parts.

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Yoke

A 'Yoke' is a type of steering wheel that looks more like what pilots use in airplanes. It's different from the usual round steering wheels and is used in some Tesla cars.

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Toyota RZ

The Toyota RZ is a new electric SUV from Toyota that has some modern features, including a special type of steering wheel called a Yoke.

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steering wheel

The steering wheel is what you hold to steer the car. It helps you turn left or right while driving.

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Cadillac CT5

The Cadillac CT5 V is a sportier version of the CT5 car. It has a more powerful engine and is designed for better performance, making it a fun car to drive.

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Cadillac Lyric

The Cadillac Lyric is an electric SUV from Cadillac. It's designed to be stylish and high-tech, making it a competitor to other luxury electric vehicles.

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Cadillac Lyriq V

The Cadillac Lyriq V is a powerful electric SUV from Cadillac. It can go from 0 to 60 miles per hour in just 3.3 seconds, which is very fast for an SUV.

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horsepower

Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The more horsepower a car has, the faster it can go and the better it can perform.

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Cadillac Optiq

The Cadillac Optiq is a car from the Cadillac brand. It's designed to be different and has some special features that make it interesting.

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Chevrolet Equinox

The Chevrolet Equinox is a type of SUV, which is a larger vehicle that can carry more passengers and cargo. It's known for being comfortable and practical.

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Cadillac Vistich

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three-row SUV

A three-row SUV is a larger type of vehicle that can fit more people because it has three sets of seats. It's great for families or groups who need extra space.

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EV

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rear-wheel drive

Rear-wheel drive means that the power from the engine goes to the back wheels of the car. This can help with handling and speed, especially in sports cars.

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V8

A V8 engine has eight cylinders that are arranged in a V shape. This type of engine is known for being powerful and is often used in larger cars and trucks.

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mid-size truck

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Chevrolet Colorado

The Chevrolet Colorado is a type of truck that is smaller than full-size trucks but still offers a lot of utility. It was not available for a while but is now back on the market.

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We know from our podcast a couple of weeks ago that the sales were quite low for Tesla in Q1. Income and Revenue, Revenue Other was too. Car-related revenue went down 20% from year to year, and by the way, historically, Tesla's sales increased quarter to quarter to quarter. They've had good growth. Car-related revenue is down 20%. Total revenue is down to something like 9%, because they have other business lines. Tesla power rolls, that's a lot.

And one of the things we reported a couple of weeks ago is that other electric cars had not seen similar declines.

Correct. Other electric cars are doing better. There was news this week that Volkswagen in Europe beat out Tesla for the most sold EVs in Europe for a brand. EVs are still doing okay. It's just Tesla that isn't.

Now, stock yesterday, we're filming them Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday on Monday or Tuesday, stock probably went down. Elon Musk said today that he's starting in May, he's going to be spending a lot less time on DOGE, the Department of Government efficiency.

And more time on Tesla, stock went up on that news. So he announced that he's going to be devoting more of his energy on Tesla again and stock rebounded as a result of that.

Obviously, I mean, it's obvious to me, I think there's going to be some people in the comments who question it, but it's obvious to me and I think most rational people that Elon's, some of Elon's political decisions over the last six months have been a huge contributor to this.

It is unbelievable to me here in California how many people come up to me and say, I want an electric car, I want nothing to do with Tesla, or I'm trying to get rid of my Tesla.

I have several friends who got rid of Teslas specifically, even the Leven losing money on them, specifically because they don't want any part of this.

I bought this car before Elon was crazy bumper stickers. We see on Tesla's now everywhere everywhere.

And I mean, there are protests outside of a lot of Tesla dealerships around the country and the world, which does impact.

Now Tesla's line in their earnings call was basically that would they expected sales to be down in Q1 because they were re-tooling some of their factories and production was down.

The model Y had a facelift that launched a month or two ago.

They're saying that did you see the day supply numbers?

There's a lot of day supply. But so they're saying production was down.

You got day supply. They got a supply but they expected some slow down is what they're saying.

Cybertruck days supply is crazy. There's also a new lower trim of the cyber truck than the $70,000 MSRP range because the man has been low.

Now I will say whenever we publish, whenever we talk about how Tesla is slow, people say that the new model Y is coming and it will save things.

That may well be the case for a little while, but the new model three came only a year ago and is already under heavy incentive.

So my suspicion is that the new model Y is not the saver that some of these people are hoping for. Agreed.

Certainly Elon Musk's political decisions and views have impact the sales.

Fundamentally, it's also a pretty aged product line. The Model S came out in 2012, had a major facelift in 2017.

So we're eight years after that. The Model X has never received a substantial amount.

My view has always been that Tesla, when these cars came out, were vastly ahead of the competition.

And so redesigning them was not necessary for a long time. However, the competition has in large part caught up.

You are seeing the competition have better self-driving or driver assist if you want to call it that.

You're seeing the competition have better innovations in other areas that Tesla is not keeping up with.

And for whatever reason, Tesla has granted a huge portion of the competition, the ability to access its chargers, which was in my opinion,

its last remaining significant piece of competitive advantage that you could supercharge.

You could charge these Teslas at the charging stations. It was basically captive of the Teslas that's gone.

To some extent, a lot of their revenue or a fair amount of revenue also came from cap trade type programs,

where you need it to offset other manufacturers' emissions, other manufacturers now also have EVs. They can use some of that.

It's changed their business and the market has changed a lot.

Yeah, Tesla is definitely no longer the silver bullet that it once was.

The stock is still quite balanced.

We always wondered if it could sustain. If Tesla, the car company, could sustain at its pace.

And the thought I always had was probably not considering that the cars are simply...

They couldn't innovate at the level that they had been innovating.

Like five years ago it was an electric sedan.

Two years ago it was an electric sedan. Two years ago it was a yoke.

Not quite the groundbreaking innovation that it was in 2012 and 2015 when they exit.

Right now. And now the market is still counting a lot. By the way, the Tesla market cap is 20 times forward to market cap.

Yeah, the market is counting a lot on autonomous driving, on Elon Musk's promises around taxis and being able to rent out your Model 3

and a new planned sub Model 3 more affordable EV, which by the way, Tesla announced as part of their recall was delayed.

The market clearly still sees value.

Is that fair? I don't know.

I think if you've been watching the car business, you're definitely skeptical of that.

But you probably weren't 2014.

And so you are probably glad as the reason the stock price of today that Elon Musk is going to focus more attention to it.

Okay, next news story please. We'll see how that develops. Okay, we have some folks. Yes.

The Outrun movie. There's been some talks that they're going to make a movie out of Outrun, which was a famous video game.

Did you guys ever play the Outrun video game?

Of course.

You never did.

At an arcade.

I didn't play many video games.

It was it was only an arcade game.

I don't, maybe you could buy it at your house, but I only ever played it at our kids.

Like I would, I remember going to the movie theaters specifically to play Outrun.

And later Outruns had every Ferrari.

You especially would be interested in it.

My movie theater had the 355 challenge arcade game.

Oh, I know.

So I just drove 355.

And those sound.

That sound of it.

I wonder if you want to extend that influence to your future existence.

It didn't.

I was an intercars at all.

And then I rode in a 355.

And then I played it.

I remember.

I only played it.

I'm too young for Outrun the original, but Outrun 2 was in my movie theater night.

And I remember one time we figured out there was this hack where it gave you the choice between five different Ferrari's.

But if you press like the second view, like camera view button, because like when you were driving, you'd switch views.

But if you press that button while you were selecting a car, you could choose between five other Ferrari's.

It was like this isn't before the internet.

So you know, this stuff didn't like spread.

You had to just know someone passed you know.

So the original Outrun game, they were driving a convertible test aerosol, which was kind of ironic,

because that was like the one thing for it didn't make.

And now they're talking about a movie, Michael Bay, Sidney Sweeney is signed on just as a producer, not as an actor.

Or maybe as an actor too.

I'm using a little conflict.

She is a big car and through this by the way.

She's a big car enthusiast.

And so it makes sense that she's attached to this.

My question is, how do you make a movie out of Outrun?

If you haven't played for those who haven't played it.

Yeah.

You would get in the car that gave you drive on a fairly straight road with simulated curves.

And then the race would end.

There was no plot other than that.

There was no story.

Correct.

But they do a good job of this.

This guy's a genius.

Michael Bay is good at making a lot of action out of no story.

Yeah.

So I'm excited.

And I hope they have a test aerosol convertible.

I have so hope that Ferrari allows them to have a strong in conversion.

So anyway, if this happens, it'll be cool because it was a part of our, an interesting part of our childhood.

However, we'll, yeah, we'll still don't quite understand the process anyway.

As long as the car chase scenes are good.

I think we're good.

We're good.

I mean, we got we put up with fast in the Furious 12 where they shift into 13th gear.

Like they're driving a driven 18 wheeler.

Yes.

The, the compilations of gear shifting.

The longest runway into man.

All right.

That's exactly right.

Move on to the next one.

Oh, yes.

The new Lexus ES.

Oh.

The new Lexus ES.

For those of you who don't know, the Lexus ES has been announced.

Now, the Lexus ES for the first 20 years of its life was based on the Toyota Camry.

In the last couple of generations of the ES, it was based instead on the Toyota Avalon.

The Avalon is now canceled.

You don't know about this?

I mean, I do, but the Avalon is the same platform.

No, but that's insane to say.

The ES was a rebadged Camry with different body and all that.

And then it became a different, a rebadged Avalon.

And that's what it was.

Sure.

The most recent one is now a Toyota Crown.

They're obviously basically on the Toyota Crown.

I agree with you, but they're pressureally said it's based or like the news articles

from when the Shanghai Auto Show where it was released said it's based on the Camry.

Well, I agree it's based on the Crown.

They say that this is not Crown based, but it's got a high, okay, regardless.

To me, though, the most interesting thing about this.

Have you seen the interior single screen?

Interior.

Take a look.

This is the interior.

Does this remind you of any cars interior?

Yeah.

The Ionic 5, including the Lexus font.

Fully.

This is a Tesla model for you.

No, I'm a Y interior.

If you covered up the deep, you would think this you're in a Tesla interior.

Well, the Lexus RZ, famously a great, the small.

What are you getting paid by?

Has a steer by wire system.

They're clearly looking at their competition.

So they copied it.

The Lexus RZ.

It's interesting for me.

Well, Yoke.

Tesla has had a massive influence on the auto industry.

Some automakers have gone at this.

Their own way.

Some automakers have gone at this copy in Tesla.

The RZ has a Yoke.

Yep.

The new ES, which was the Yoke was coming out of the RZ as it was a huge deal in the cyber

truck and the other cars.

The ES, obviously, this is a massive, massive takeoff on this success.

I mean, this really, I know a lot of car and tires sort of look like this now, but this

really looks like a Tesla interior.

I, here's what I don't quite the steering wheel.

Who is Lexus going after because traditionally the Lexus CS buyer has been older.

I think they're watching market cherry evaporate to Tesla and they're thinking we want to get

some of that.

And so they're trying to get some of that.

But like, who, who that wants a Lexus goes and like, how are they attracting that audience?

I don't know that the ES in particular has an enormously devoted following anymore.

But a lot of those people have switched up the crossovers and SUVs.

So maybe they're just trying something like they didn't have a crown.

Unfortunately, I actually think the courney, yes, looks good.

Yeah, but that's like that, probably, the soft front wheel drive, expensive sedans don't

have an enormous take rate anymore in today's world.

This is a hybrid.

And it's an interesting car.

It's not, I mean, we're going to see him around, not like they used to.

This is a lot of these buyers have switched to crossovers, but to me, the interesting part

of this story is just how much Lexus clearly sees the Tesla influence and wants to be part

of that in some direction.

Yeah.

So let's circle back.

It is using a platform that is shared by the camera, the crown, the highlander, the

venza.

You agree with me?

That's the luxury version of the crown.

I mean, go back to the exterior.

Certainly.

Yes, I agree with you.

Okay.

What is our next news story today?

Ah.

Cadillac V.

Kevin's dream.

Yeah.

He wants a CT5 V.

Black, black.

The worst way.

Love the black wing.

You also, obviously, want an optic V and the Lyric V.

No.

The Lyric V was announced a while ago, a month or two ago.

The Lyric is, of course, their mid-size electric SUV.

Of course.

I actually like the Lyric.

It looks great.

It looks good.

They're all, they're all airport.

Oh, yeah.

They're all wearing a white car.

Yeah, they're black.

If I go up.

Yeah.

But they sold them, and that's what matters.

The Lyric V will have 615 horsepower, 3.3 seconds, 0 to 60, which is strong real.

The optic V.

Optic is their small electric cross.

Is that on sale?

Yes.

No.

Probably.

I don't.

I think it is.

Every so often, as someone who pays an enormous amount of attention to the auto industry,

every so often I'm driving down the road and I see a car, and I've got no idea what it

is.

And that hasn't happened to me since I was like 10 years old.

The optic is on dealer lots.

But the reason that that happens is because these auto makers have branched into some really

weird things, and some of these cars have very low volumes.

Yep.

Like the ADX.

Pull up a picture of the Cadillac optic.

By the way, that's optic with a Q.

Yep.

I'm trying to see if there's any reviews.

There were first drives a month ago.

Oh my God.

And I haven't reviewed it.

That's part of our talk car segment today.

Cadillac is a foot.

It's based on, yeah.

It's based on the equinox.

It's like the equinox.

It's based on the equinox.

Well, it plays a review or something?

Equinox.

Oh, yeah.

It's simple.

I don't know anything about this car, but interesting.

The V was announced today, though.

And we know nothing except for the fact that more will be announced this summer.

I do find it.

We wait with baited breath.

Yeah.

What's about the viscous?

We've got that graphic fantastic really want to show off the car here.

Can we talk about Cadillac's SUV because suddenly they have four electric SUVs?

Yeah.

And what's optic?

The Vistich and the Escalade.

So optic and Lyric and Vistich all end in the letter Q.

So then there's the Escalade.

It doesn't have a Q in it.

So they call it the Escalade IQ.

Where is it just Q?

Are you?

And therefore it has a Q in it.

I mean, it's better than Escalade Q.

I see.

Escalade.

I see Escalade IQs all the time, all the time.

I have never seen a Vistich or an optic.

I'm not sure that it's out, but first drives have happened.

Do you agree with me that when in terms of Cadillac electric SUVs, it doesn't matter

really whether it's out or not in terms of whether we see them in Southern California?

Yes, it does not matter.

I think it's like it's like playing the lottery.

I think our chances of seeing one on the road is about the same whether it's on sale

or not.

Can you pull up the Cadillac Vistich?

Because by the way, the Cadillac XT6 died a couple of weeks ago.

You know, that is so sad.

I had a day a couple days ago where I saw six XT6 single day banner day.

Does that just look like a car?

What is this thing?

That's a mistake.

It's an XT6 replacement.

Why does this not find its way into the public domain?

I don't know.

I'm into it.

It's a good looking car.

It's a good looking SUV.

There will probably be a Vistich V.

This is a three row.

So this is an XT6 replacement.

But it's EV only and there's no gas midsize Cadillac SUV.

Correct.

Yikes.

Yeah.

Well, except for the escalade, which might be midsize by Cadillac's energy.

Oh.

Figurist cast standards of the 70s.

What does this have?

Click on this car and driver article.

What does this thing have?

This one here?

What does this thing have in it?

No, I don't want to see the picture.

I want to know what's going on.

How much power we got?

Go down.

Go down to see the power.

I get all my information.

300 miles a chart.

Oh, it costs $99,000.

Love it.

Okay.

Anyway, go.

What the interesting thing here is that?

The interesting thing here is that they are clearly using their V brand in an aggressive

way.

And they can because they don't need to put a new engine in it.

They just, yeah, it's going to amp up the motors.

And that's smart of them.

Up nice.

Unfortunately, it makes the V more like the V Sport situation.

I don't know.

If you're doing 0 to 16 and 3, 3, that's pretty, it's pretty, it's pretty, it's pretty

quick.

I think they hope to get Kenan with a CD5 V block, and they get Kenan again with a Vistic.

Because definitely, the things I love about the CD5 V block when it's super charged V8,

it's made in the transmission.

It's a real drive.

I definitely won't love about this guy.

That's very similar machine.

It is interesting.

They've really committed hard to these EVs.

The escalated remains an escalated with a V8, no, the gas power engine on it because they

can't leave that behind.

Yeah.

They've gone all the time.

It'll be interesting to see what happens though to these other ones.

Obviously, the $98,000 starting price must be sort of like an entry level launch edition

thing.

Yeah.

Can I wear the market is?

Would it be more appealing to you if you knew, if like we marketed EVs as, hey, this car

has two motors or four motors.

No, because that V8 engine has four engines, it's their motors.

They're motors.

No, people use it naturally aspirated quad engine.

Can it be all old?

I mean, yeah.

What's the more one has quad engine?

The NAFTA aspirated quad engine.

The marketing's, I'm not fooled.

Remember when Hummer tried to climb that 15,000 pound feet of toilet?

Yeah.

All right.

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Oh, Ram.

Ram, which makes trucks like this.

And that's it.

Yep.

He's also going to be making a mid-size truck.

So the mid-size truck has made a comeback.

You know, ten years ago, the Chevy Colorado died and the Ford Ranger died.

Yep.

And it was kind of generally thought that the mid-size truck was sort of coming to

an end.

And the Honda Ridgeline saved us off.

The Ridgeline showed up and was a joke.

It was a, you know, car-based and it had an audience.

But not like the giant volume that up.

And so, but then the Colorado Return and the Ranger Return, and they're actually selling

pretty good numbers.

Then Ford brings in a Maverick.

Suddenly, the smaller mid-size pickup, the Hyundai Santa Cruz, is like a live again.

Tim Caniscus is back now as the CEO of the whole thing, right?

The whole.

He's not the permanent CEO.

They're hiring CEO.

He's a shortlisted for the formal CEO.

Apparently.

And he's saying we're doing a mid-size Ram.

Now, there was a mid-size Ram, the Dodge Dakota, designed by the same man who

designed the Lamborghini Diablo.

The fact.

This is true.

Anyway, that was a great truck and it lasted for a long time, but went away maybe ten

years ago.

So it'd be interesting to see Ram come back into this space, which seems like a pretty

reasonable.

They announced that they were going to do this a couple of, or leaked, they were going

to do this a few months ago, but they've confirmed it recently.

It's not, they have these trucks for other markets.

The reason the Ranger came back to the US is that they've made, Ford made a Ranger for

pretty much every other market.

Chrysler doesn't, though.

No.

Except for the small Fiat.

They have a Fiat in Latin America, but it's a front-wheel drive car, but it's not what

we're talking about.

We're talking about a mid-size truck.

That's true.

Ram, Ram does not.

Yeah.

It's so interesting to see them develop one.

However, those trucks are relatively popular.

They are relatively popular globally.

I will say the Chevy Colorado sold here is unrelated to the global Chevy mid-size pick-up.

James GM mid-size pickup truck.

But the market is here.

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It's just me and those rear tires incredibly narrow.

Well, they want you to understand.

They'll be, they'll be even narrower in the small one.

Nice.

I'm excited to see how this goes.

Obviously, I like ramp styling.

I'm curious how it translates to a smaller truck.

I mean, have you seen the Dakota because, well, yeah, you know what, they let's go.

The man did the Tom Gayle.

I don't know about that.

The first one also did the Dodge Viper.

He did the Diablo and he did the 98 Dodge Dakota and damn it, they both looked good.

They did.

They do.

They still do.

I will also say one other piece of mid-size pickup news, just to slide it in there.

The frontier.

Need some frontier.

They'll exist.

Yeah, they've said that they will likely be a hybrid for the next generation.

The next generation.

They're already talking about the next gen?

Well, they haven't been a new gen in a minute.

Get on this over the next one for tier.

That truck last, new gen in a minute, it came out like four years ago.

It wasn't new.

The previous one went for 15 years.

Yeah, that's true.

They are talking about maybe the next refresh.

The news was vague.

Okay.

It's our next new strike place.

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Oh, my God.

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So this is the Porsche Spirit 70.

Now last week, we talked about the Mercedes stronger than the 80s G-Lagon.

And not to be outdone, Porsche decided they were going to call it something from the decade

prior.

They wanted, so this is the, this is based on the 9.11-curve GTS Cabral A T hybrid, which

boy, that just rolls off the, God, and it's got serious power.

532 horsepower, 4.49 foot pounds of torque.

But critically, they wanted to make it aesthetically appeal to the cars from the 70s.

They want to make it like that.

It's painted all of Nero's in the name of the color, which is this greenage color and

has gold wheels.

And it's a limited edition car they're going to make.

The interior of it, which isn't shown here, has the Porsche fabric like the, and it's green

and gold.

Like, it's very, do you think that they took the press photo in the shadows in order to

try to hide it a little?

I think, do you think that the press photo was intentionally kind of trying to disguise

the fact that this car exists?

I look at the 9.11 graphic on the hood.

This is going to be such a hit with the night, the Porsche people.

Oh, it is.

I just, this is exactly the kind of thing.

I love the cars so much, but you know they're going crazy on the red list right now talking

about how they're going to deviate the color of the 11 graphic to be purplish black instead

of blackish purple.

I started writing down the list of stuff that they wrote.

They supplied the, like, the change they made and I got so bored.

I just stopped.

Like, it was just like, this is not something.

I think this will be cool.

They're all cool.

It's just, you want to know what, so they're going to build 1500 of these worldwide.

They say, and it's going to have a, the price, 242,250 dollars, that's 62,000 dollars more

than the current GTS.

Wow.

It's also $20,000 more in the base price of the GT3.

Wow.

Something to think about.

But it's a limited car.

I will, I do say, I will say, I do find it funny that Porsche's limited and he's trying

to become pretty.

The car, which everybody freaked out about, was one of 2,000 and then they left the

door open for potentially building more later in other versions.

Right.

The F40 was not a limited production car in the end.

It was supposed to be, and then it wasn't.

They built 1,300.

That wasn't limited.

And same with Courier GT.

Right.

Exactly.

That was like a big production run at the time.

These days.

Yeah.

And there's charging 240 grand.

Yeah.

Good news.

You can get it without the graphics.

I have a question.

At what point does Porsche start to not be able to do this anymore?

We've seen Ferrari kind of hit the limits with the SF90, right?

Yeah.

You've seen SF90 prices?

That's not because they made a special addition of a model.

No, but my point is how long can they get away with changing a car, primarily cosmetically,

calling it limited and charging vastly more money, and people will follow over themselves

to pay for it.

How long will that continue?

Do you remember how much money Ferrari makes from their special projects or whatever they

call the special order?

I mean, they don't do this.

You probably get a savings from doing it yourself, paying to sample costs, whatever it's called

to get the color that only exists for it.

You get my point.

At some point, Porsche people are going to look at this and say, you know what?

I don't know.

It's too expensive.

It's too weird.

It's not special enough.

I got it.

But right now, somebody else say, oh, sure, I'll buy it.

Yeah, that's right.

But right now, they're still frothing at the amount to get deviated, stitching on everything.

So it still plays into Porsche's hand here.

But I agree.

For $242,000.

I could think of a lot of other cars I'd rather have.

That's the one.

Yeah.

You can get a 993 twin turbo.

That's a real car.

Porsche guy.

That's a real car.

Yeah, Porsche guy.

Okay.

Move on to our next district.

Oh, yeah.

So Mercedes Benz has announced that they are going to be switching to a steer by wire system.

Now, there are a number of manufacturers who already do this, which notably Tesla, of course,

but Lexus does too.

Mercedes says that they have spent like almost a million miles or something like that doing

the testing to make sure this is safe.

Because when Mercedes Benz implements something, it must be perfect in their view.

And so finally, there will be no physical connection between the steering wheel and the front

wheels of the car.

This will be especially beneficial for cars, though, that have re-roll steering.

As you go faster, they're going to adjust the weight.

So just like the Tesla's do, and they're going to introduce this yoke steering wheel.

And they're introducing a yoke.

And this is going to come in 2026.

So this is going to be on the EQS.

And then they said also the S-class is likely going to end up.

But it's just, it's a big deal that Mercedes believes in the technology and is developed

to the point where they can do this.

You don't think this is a big deal?

I think you don't understand steering.

Well, Lexus RZ and the Cybertruck have it.

And then a couple of infinities, but you told me there's still the secondary.

The RZ and the Subdruck are the only ones I can think of that don't have a secondary

backup.

And I think the RZ doesn't.

I'm not 100% sure.

Yes.

Regardless of that, I'm not surprised by this.

Is that once a manufacturer develops it to the point where they feel comfortable, and

other manufacturers can do a million miles of testing, it's natural that they would want

to do this.

There's a couple, a ton of interior design, it frees up a ton of space for how they can

actually fit engines and equipment in their cars.

It's massively more space efficient to have it be drive by wire.

So once somebody does it and everybody else kind of figured out, oh, wait, we can do this

safely too.

It was inevitable, the same way that, yeah, but that like, this is just a, it wasn't particularly

well-received, the yoke, I mean, people thought it was cool, but it was sort of a novel

thing.

The yoke feels like a novel too, but steer by wire, yeah, it seems like it ended up.

Wait, no, hey, the EQS has been so well-received, why not for a yoke?

I agree with that.

The yoke is a novelty, but the drive by, the steer by wire was inevitable, about mind.

I agree with that.

I agree.

And then to be clear, there are redundancy systems, just no physical steering problems.

Yeah, it is an interesting point, though, that, hey, another manufacturer's adopting this,

he was in some onesie, Tuesday cars, clearly, if Mercedes-Benz is starting to put it into

their cars, it's going to trickle down to a lot of different stuff.

And before too long, this is going to be all cars.

And then everybody's going to complain about how great it's one more thing to break.

That's the comment.

I'm already up cold right now.

One more thing to break.

Unsafe, blah, blah, blah, yeah.

Unsafe, yeah.

Rob does a steering feel.

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I want to show you something that blew me away.

I saw it this week.

Go to the next slide.

This is a BMW of some variety.

Okay.

No one knows what.

But here's the interesting thing, the new X-1.

You see that back wheel?

Yeah.

Ugly, right?

But the front wheel is missing that cover, and damn if that doesn't look good.

Does it?

Yes.

That is a nice looking wheel.

That looks like the wheel that would have been in Kenan's car's era, like a nice

simple five spoke that every manufacturer has gone away from because they put these

covers on their wheels for Aero now, and it has screwed up the look of every wheel.

But if you take off the Aero cover, you got to admit, you're sitting here looking at

this thinking, you know, I could see this on the E36.

This is another piece.

I would say E36, for sure.

I was looking at it.

It has kind of a dish to it, doesn't it?

BMW still makes an attractive wheel.

It's just hidden by an unattractive wheel cover.

Okay.

A couple of things.

Okay.

First of all, Prius data first.

A lot of cars do it.

You know what I've basically learned?

Every car that has an Aero style wheel cover, if you take off the Aero style wheel cover,

it looks better.

I don't think that looks, but it looks wrong for the car.

This is a nice, it's a better wheel, but it looks wrong for the car.

He's saying, forget the car.

Yeah.

I'm not talking.

Invision, whatever this is.

One.

Invision that wheel on an E3.

Oh, Z3.

That's a nice looking five spoke.

That looks kind of like the Z3 M wheel, honestly, like a little, yeah, it's got that kind

of, yeah.

It's kind of interesting.

This is a nice looking wheel.

Can I have a question?

Are we going to be back, despite everybody having kept people had hubcaps?

Yeah.

And then they had alloys.

And suddenly you no longer saw hubcaps discarded on every corner in Philadelphia.

To be clear, there was actually missing.

Canon and I had mag wheels.

There was a, there was a period in there.

That's right.

Yeah.

If you drive around the city or you're up in the 90s, you would see hubcaps everywhere.

Are we going to be back to that world?

These seem to be held on better.

For example, remember when I had the MyBock GLS, of course, and we took off the MyBock

wheel cover and then couldn't get it back on because the plastic tabs and then I fixed

it because I can do things.

Yeah.

Now that was helpful.

By the way, I need your help with a mechanical thing.

What do you need me to do?

I have to get the spare tire out of my Sequoia before I drive it across country.

So I think we should do that.

I'm so sorry.

Last time you drove across country, you had a tire rupture.

You needed the spare tire.

Right.

So now I want to get the spare tire and put it in the trunk.

Oh, I think you might just like leave it.

No, I'm assuming it's going to happen again, because if it happened to me in a rainstorm

or in the middle of the night, it would have been a lot harder to get it out roadside.

I might as well just take it out preemptively smart.

Thank you.

I'm so you don't think we'll see hubcaps.

My point is simply that BMW makes an attractive wheel.

They just hide it from the public.

You know, what do you think?

You know what?

I bet if you peeled off a few layers of bodywork underneath, there's an A39 M5.

What in this case is E3?

That's E3.

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I want to talk about car edge to yeah, famously a former one derived had nothing to do with

that sport.

It was never using in that one car, nor was it using a one for them both, but Phoenix

F1 race.

No, no, that was the footwork arrows car, but Porsche did make the motor.

Yeah, and it was so bad that they were like, you know what, don't make us and please footwork

says, please, Porsche, renowned performance manufacturer, stop making, stop doing it.

Go back to playing for nine.

The reason the only reason that Porsche doesn't advertise that the career GT's motor was

derived from Formula One is because they made it preemptively assuming they'd be rehired

for the next season and they weren't.

Yep.

But okay, I want to tell you about the career GT, which has a formula to one derived

V10.

It does not.

I added up my miles because it hit me.

I was just kind of curious how much I'm driving it.

Listen to this.

Since I bought my career GT, I've driven my 4 GT 1900 miles a year.

That was a two two year.

Oh, per year.

I've driven my career.

I've driven my Kuntosh 3,400 miles a year, which is really impressive.

I've driven the G Cabrio 2,100 miles a year and I've driven the career GT 2,300 miles

a year.

I have driven the career GT most since I bought it of any of my cars and if you add in

my Sequoia and you remove the cross country trip, which I admit is that's asking a lot because

that is me driving the car.

But if you remove that cross country trip, I've even driven the car GT more of the Sequoia.

Wow.

That's true because between cross country trips, it sits in your house and you don't

want to.

I'm driving today because it hit me like this thing hasn't driven it, and somebody should

drive it.

Why?

I drove driven the career GT more than and I still have the Mercedes station, my wife only

drives it.

I basically never drive that anymore.

I have driven the career GT the most of any of my cars.

That is amazing.

You have the only career GT owner who can say, yeah, I have put 5,100 miles on the career

GT since I bought it in February of 23, two years ago.

You bought it with 10,000 miles ish.

98.

Yeah, 99.

So over the course of 18 years, somebody added 9,000 miles, 10 of the miles, with the course

of two years, you've had it.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the funny thing about it.

I remember I met with the original owner or the second owner, but he had it for like

seven years, the guy and we had lunch together, we talked about our experience of the car.

He had the car for seven years, but in that time, he only had 2,000 miles to it.

I beat that in a year.

Proud of you.

Right.

Proud of you.

It's just so addictive.

It's so addictive.

It's a testament to a couple of things.

I want it.

I think it's a testament to the servicing you've done to refresh the car and make it as

modern and safe, honestly, as possible, because the previous owner couldn't do that.

The previous owner of both the Cragity and the Contache, I think we're not up to the

car.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I also think that it is testament to how good the car is that you would just rather

grab the keys, despite its value, at which ways on your mind when you use it.

It's so good.

The experience just rivals the others.

I think that it's also just, I'm just glad that you're enjoying it.

I know that that much probably has cost you probably a hundred grand in the car.

I wonder.

I mean, I don't know.

I don't know, but you find all these upgrades.

So maybe not.

The thing that I learned though with the 4GT is that like I driven the 4GT since I bought

it 12,500 miles in the 4GT.

That is nuts.

If that car had 12,000 hours miles on it, it would be considered a high mileage 4GT.

I've driven it 12,000 more miles.

It's now got 43,800 miles.

It's sitting behind me.

I love that.

That what I learned though from that experience was people parked those cars and

save them.

I've made a ton of money in that car.

I'm probably in that car for 260, and I think it's worth 360.

And so the thing that I learned was it didn't obviously if I had parked it, it would be

worth more.

But it's not like as many coachmen says our hero, you don't go broke making a profit.

Like I could have made more money, but I made money.

Like I'm not like responded about this, and I assume the same thing will happen with

the query.

I hope you rather just have the experience anyway.

Like it's so good.

Yeah, it's also a testament to how drivable the car is.

I think that's the real thing.

It is a testament to the usability of the car.

The car is actually quite well, and that's the story of those, you know, they work.

And the thing about the car GT also that makes it so usable, it just blends in everywhere.

So I've the party pretty comfortable taking that car to places that you shouldn't take

a car that's worth that much money.

I got pictures of it at the sprouts.

I got you know, yeah, nobody like notices my dad.

My dad had a car that's usually the car you get.

No, I had a boomer come up to me when I was washing at the other day in front of my

house.

Indicars has cars, works on old Jags and says, so was that a GT two?

I'm like, well, I'm going to move on.

I mean, that's the party piece of that car, especially in silver to be clear.

Like I think that really helps.

If it were red, it would be or yellow and it's like I've heard where you do see a lot

of patches.

A lot of horses.

Yeah, three the round.

That's true.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, congratulations.

I keep driving the thing.

I'm glad you're glad you're enjoying it.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

And I'm honestly surprised.

I knew I was driving a lot.

I didn't realize I was driving it more than any of the other vehicles.

Okay, the next thing I want to talk about is the Leno's law situation.

This is the California Senate bill that is intending to change the exemption for for

smog.

Right now, the smog exemption is a cut off in 1975.

They're changing to make it roll 35 years.

So any car that's over 35 years will be smog exempt and each year that passes another year

becomes exempt.

But that's how it is in most states.

And it's starting at the base of 1990.

Correct.

I think they do.

That's their voters.

So it passes Senate Transportation Committee already, bipartisan support, passes in transportation

committee.

Next it goes to appropriations, then the full Senate, then the governor.

Who knows what's going to pass?

I don't really know.

But I will say it passed the, there was a big news story about how it passed the transportation

committee.

And the reason I bring this up, because we've already talked about this, is there was

a quote in the news articles about it passing from the American Long Association senior directors

name is Will Barrett.

And he said, and he said as a quote, this is a real jailbreak for our air quality problems

in California.

And he basically said, this is going to make air quality worse.

And I think this is intellectual dishonesty at its absolute worst.

This is the kind of stuff that I just can't stand.

It's the same deal with the tariffs.

Oh, tariffs aren't a tax, they raise the prices and then the companies can choose whether

they want to raise the prices or not.

But they might not pass that raise along to the consumer.

This is BS.

This will have absolutely no effect on air quality in California.

I was thinking about the other day, walking through my neighborhood, do you have any idea

how many old cars are registered out of state in my neighborhood?

Exactly.

Everyone is already operating all of these cars.

This has stopped no money from doing anything.

Nope.

All of this is made Montana LLCs really popular.

And every other state, Arizona, and your brother in order again, and South Dakota and

all this stuff.

And it is so intellectually dishonest to be like, now our air quality is going to be worse.

That is completely factually accurate.

The only thing that will change is that some of us will start registering these cars in

California, and California will actually make some money from it, as opposed to right

now.

I invite this fellow, we'll bear it, of the American Lung Association, come to a car and

coffee with me.

It has 50 states, we'll be represented in the parking lot of a car and coffee.

There are cars that are cars and coffees that are coming from New Hampshire, from that.

I mean, it's unbelievable.

It's laughable.

It is laughable.

I do think there's so many of these out of state cars that enforcement has become simply

too difficult.

The state, the highway patrol does not have the manpower to start randomly pulling over

cars to figure out if this car is actually registered out of state and the person lives

there, or if they don't, or whatever it's just too onerous.

And even so, the argument, and I think it's true, it's the use case of these cars, is

so minute.

People are driving them exact to cars and coffee, and that's pretty much it.

Right.

You don't want to go rock around the 71 Panter as a daily thing.

And that is proof of the stupidity of this statement, is that people are, they're using

the cars little enough that the law is not being enforced with regards to their registration

locality.

And so it's a moot point anyway.

The cars aren't registered in California.

They're still being used a little bit, but not enough to trigger enforcement.

It's just so intellectually dishonest to make this claim that it's going to cause air quality

problems in California at the end.

Absolutely will change nothing except that California will make a little bit more money.

Which is, California seems to like, okay, can and tell us about your M5 servicing.

Ah, yes.

So the M5 got its first service of the year.

Now, I said at the very beginning of the year, one of my resolutions was that I was not

going to spend more than $2,500 this year on maintenance loan, which is a pretty normal

cost for a high performance car.

Can I stop you real quick and give a little backstory to this service?

Brandon tells us, you agree with everything I'm going to say?

I think so.

He says, this service got to do an oil change and then also there's all this stuff that had

not been performed.

It was supposed to be performed that I'm going to get for free because they were supposed

to do it the first time.

So we thought the service would be the cost of an oil change, 150, 180 bucks.

Call it 200.

Good.

Good shop.

Lots of oil.

Yeah.

It's a big, it's a very good shop.

Right.

There were some, there were some issues with the service that was performed before.

There were some gaskets that weren't seeded correctly.

So the car was leaking a little bit of oil.

And Ryan being a man of his word at E39 source, one to make it right and had his tech reduce

from the seals.

Now, what had to be done was dismantling the front of the engine, basically, taking the

timing covers off.

The valve cover gaskets were leaking, the timing covers were leaking.

It's a lot of labor to do that.

But Ryan stood behind it and wanted to make it right.

And he did.

However, while we were there, although I replaced everything related to the timing system,

we ran into a couple of little issues.

Yeah.

One was that we removed the thermostat and thermostat, removed the thermostat housing

to again, we gained more easy access to this stuff.

Well, that disturbed the seal.

So we wanted to put it back on the seal and it being destroyed.

So we had replaced the thermostat.

Got to put on the seal, got to put on the thermostat.

Which I recognize like that's just how it is.

So I split the cost of labor with, I agree to split the cost of labor in parts with

Ryan on that.

Then they put everything back together in the car, all of a sudden it had a misfire and

the tech came in and said to Ryan, he said, does this kind of the car ever have a misfire

as well?

And I was like, Ken in the car, absolutely.

And so they turned out what it was, there's a vacuum leak, there's this little elbow that

goes into the plenum.

That was broken.

That was pretty cheap.

You replace that.

We also noticed that the studs that hold the velocity stacks, a couple of them were a

little loose and like the velocity stacks.

The velocity stacks.

Yes.

My fear was that one, like a boat could come undone and theory, it's not an unzero thing,

it could get sucked into one of the velocity stacks.

That was unfortunate.

It's got directly into the intake and that port of a lot of that stuff.

To Kenan, he's going to say the total bill in a minute.

It was cheap when you consider the elbow to the plenum, the velocity stacks and the housing

for the thermos.

He thinks that stuff.

Those were a lot of long words.

Yeah, he thinks that all of these are made up, but Doug doesn't know anything about

the mechanical stuff.

He knows what I said.

It could be made up.

Absolutely not.

Someone told him he's wrong.

He knows nothing about steering and velocity stacks.

These are all things.

So these are all accurate statements that ended up being, and I did an oil change and a black

stone analysis as well.

Black stone analysis as well.

Sure.

So that come back.

I'll follow up with you.

I'll be fine, but I just do it to have a trend.

I like to see how things are wearing and anyway, it ended up being $837 for the first

day.

But that does not include probably three full days of labor to fix the rest.

It will take some time.

To his credit.

Yeah, the rest had been promised before.

I don't, I don't follow you for the rest.

No, I don't know.

Now, I will say you're overbudged already.

I am not overbudged.

He's not overbudged, but if you do the calculation, you won't have worth third of the way

through it.

I'll give him a third of the way through the year.

He's on budget.

No, no.

We're not quite a third of the way through the year.

He's over 800.

We're not quite a third of the year.

Come on.

May is next week.

Dude, if Will Barrett from the American Lung Association is going to be intellectually

dishonest, then I'm going to be intellectually dishonest.

Don't stoop to Will Barrett's level.

Will Barrett, we're sure you're a nice guy and I do support the American Lung Association.

Yeah.

You're wrong in this particular assertion, but, you know, I understand your hurts

in my face, but you're wrong to be wrong.

Yeah.

By your calculation, I'm $37 over budget.

I mean, maybe not even because because we're not quite a third of the year, you probably

$12 over budget, that's over budget.

That's over budget.

Over budget.

We're not the business.

We'll tell you something.

We're $12 over budget.

You think our investors don't know they're going to cost it 2 a.m.

Well, based on your number of Hershey kisses, you order, we are $1.

They make Filippo do wind sprints.

I fidgeted.

I'm pleased with me, I think that I'm headed in the right direction.

I think things.

If I end the car, and Ryan also said there's nothing else to do on the car.

could eat an inspection, couldn't find anything.

This is a very hat.

To be fair, this is the first service in six months.

Yeah, I mean, I hadn't touched the car.

Yeah.

So, I think it's on, I think we're,

I think he has a good service in two years.

Well, yeah, well, consider that.

Yeah, it doesn't need like rear axle hubs.

It's a tire hub.

We call those tires.

They do go on the rear axle hub, but no way far out.

Like, there's, there's a stomach.

The axle nuts that are on there, I think need to be replaced.

There's someone with a recall on them and you haven't done them.

Every recall that's ever happened on that car has been done.

I think there's an open one.

I mean, there are some issues.

Well, we'll look in just a minute.

There are some issues.

You're, you're, you're, you're, you're a fuel gauge of the word.

The fuel gauge is just upside down.

It's like a monkey hanging from a tree.

You turn out the left blinker and just this is, that's OE.

Every four GTS.

The last time I drove it, the right blinker did the same thing.

No, they both do.

Oh, every blinker makes, in the 4GT, the O5 4GT is very weird.

But every, when you turn on the blinker, when it blinks, it doesn't just click,

although it does click.

It also goes.

No, but it, it, it, it, it's intentional.

Yeah, it's related to whatever the mechanic, when you have, I will say, when you have

the radio on, you don't hear it all.

I, I hadn't remembered that that happened.

I've wanted to hear the sound of that.

That's the truth.

Yes.

That's the truth.

Yes.

You doesn't even know about, you know, about, you plan, you plan, you plan elbows.

Yeah.

Well, or steering.

What is about, his knowledge is, his knowledge is minimal.

Not only does he doesn't know about anything from the, the, the intricacy of plan

of elbows to the simplicity of steering.

He doesn't have any, he's probably, he and Will Barrett probably have the same car

knowledge.

Boy, he knows every trim of feet multiple of these, as everybody should.

Okay.

I want to talk market report very quickly, because we have to move on to questions, which

were excellent this week.

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Did you see this?

I almost featured this.

TheENNIS-terra.

This is OUA color by the way.

It was call, it was only two modulo'res called polychalt green, which is a terrible name for

the series.

Really creative.

Okay.

This car was an X-terra.

It was.

It had a 5-point, all the X-terras had v6s, it had a 5,6-liter Viate swap from a Neeson

Titan, Neeson armata and same motor.

hooks right up somehow. No warning lights, like it was done right with the automatic transmission

from their mod as well. Right, so it's not going to over. Kenan, this thing, if four-wheel drive

in this special color, very late model Xero 2, I think was last year 12. Sounds right. Around 13,

maybe a bit. Somewhere it was a later, later second gen. So second gen and a later model to

come to that. So how cool, unbelievably cool. So this thing is sitting at six grand the night

before it's selling. And I know the reserve is higher than that. And I was thinking to myself,

this would be a kind of cool like extra car. Like it would be pretty cool, right?

Pretty cool. Like I will bear it would be bad at me, right? But I this thing, so I'm thinking about

it. And then the next day I check and sold for $22,000. And what I wanted to say about this,

not in particular about this Xtera, but in general, good swaps bring all the money.

Yeah, we talked about it with that E39 and 5 wagon swap. And this too, like this guy didn't just put

a five six in it and then do stupid wheels and stupid off road mods and make it look done.

This looks, oh, we better has a five six. And if you want to take it from there, you can.

But that M5 was another good example, that M5 wagon that guy took an E39 touring and just made

it into a like a clone M5. Good swaps bring all all all the money. And this continues to be the case.

I know 22 doesn't seem like that much for Xtera, but that's more than some of its parts. The regular

Xtera would that miles plus under the cost of an armada. You're at 10. You're going to

Xtera in an armada for 10. And then this could do add to 12. This is a business.

66. You really could. Like if and this guy actually in the comments was saying,

did you read the comments at all? He was in Missouri and he was like, yeah, I've done a bunch of

these. He's like, this is like the 10th one I've done, but I'm moving on to another one. And

throws V8s into it. That's awesome. Well, he keeps, I mean, with this result, hopefully he keeps

slipping on business. I just think swaps are really great if they're done really, really well,

which means it looks like it should have been factory. It drives like it should have been factory.

It doesn't need a standalone and a and a gauge cluster. Like it really is. And then when

the you do it right, you get all the money. What other swaps would you want to see?

Oh, what's some of you? You know, you know what? Another great one was. I don't do

one. Remember that transit connect that was focused as T swapped. Oh, yes. Yeah. That's a good

one. That's another good example. That's a good one. That was cool. Good swaps do bring them

money. Very interesting. Well, remember that F 80 M 3 wagon. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That was cool.

That comes up. Yeah, it's hard to find at this point probably. For example, using the search

function. It's 72 grand. And this was a salvage title car, wasn't it? I think so. Yeah. So cool.

I considered this thing. I consider all the swap. Yep. Because I don't have the mechanical

knowledge or the time, honestly, even if I did to do this myself, but a lot of these times,

it's stuff that you would you wished existed. I do wish that. This would have been cool. A V8

exterior would have been cool. It would have been cool. All right. Give us your market report,

Philippo. Can we talk about golf or spectrums? So for a model year, two models type in golf

are. Yeah. Most recent one we did was I think. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's what that sold. Yeah.

Big money. So the golf or spectrum offered 40 custom-ish colors to golf or buyers.

Nobody bought these colors. 199 people bought in the US, bought a spectrum car. Which is a mistake.

Limited to 199. It was available just to anybody and only 199 people chose it.

I think no, sorry, they only produced 199. I also think they only found buyers for 199.

I think they would have done it again. And they bring big money. A regular 2019 in golf

are with 26,000 miles at this point in an automatic is somewhere in the 20s.

Well, in this program, this is double that because of the color. It's cool.

A new goal. A brand new golf bar. Sorry, just go back up. A brand new golf bar.

Yeah. With 4,000 miles of 26,000 in a stack, which was sold for the same.

Yeah, in a stick, like you said. So a third of the miles, a new one, it's a new body. Yeah.

And a manual. And it's all for the same. And can I just, we are clearly the place for

spectrum golf bars, by the way, one sold on a competing platform literally this week that had half

as many miles and was a stick. It was in the better color and sold for like a grand more

with while being a notably more appealing car. We are clearly this place. If you search

spectrum with a K, I bet you'll find it the other ones because we are the place. Oh, for this.

They're so cool. Man, we got 52 for that one.

Early on. I remember that one. Yeah. These are so, so cool. They're worth money.

They're great. Good colors worth. It's true in Portugal. It's true kind of everywhere that

colors bring money. Yeah. Spectrum colors. The spectrum cars are really cool. I saw this one

come up and I was pretty jazzed by it. It's so cool. It's so cool. Anyone blue is not.

The thing is, I have personal opinions, but you don't like spectrum color. No, I do. There's

a spectrum colors that I can pull up all the spectrum colors. They're 40. These are

Volkswagen guys. No, I've always loved the spectrum colors. They're just great colors.

Yeah. They're 40 colors. Did all 40 get bought? Probably not. Some of them, my question

had like one got bought, but I think so. We posted about one of the 91 blue ones that it was

one of 12. So if you figure that a few of them had 12, then probably some of these probably,

there were zero. Right. We can find them. But there's some wild wild colors.

Oh, that is so cool. That orange looks pretty cool. Some of the greens are beautiful.

The burgundy cool colors. I don't want blue to be clear as a good color. The thing about it is,

the Gulf War is a special car. Obviously, it's desirable. That's cool. However,

they're not distinct from each other. They were almost all, they were, oh, there were only

few colors, right? There was a blue, black, white, gray. So to be able to do anything that sets

it apart from the other ones is pretty special. Particularly when you're talking about only

199 cars. If they had done this for a whole model, you're six thousand cars that come out

to be different, but this is legitimately rare. If you're looking for a spectrum and one comes up,

you got to buy it. You got to buy it. If you want to buy a term, you got to just choose whatever

spectrum you can get. Yeah. I'm here for it. I love it. Can and tell us about the Panos Roadster.

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now. Yeah, so I, when I was young, I remember having a book that like just had a variety of

sports cars in it. And one of the ones I thought that was the weirdest in the course was the Panos

Roadster. We finally got to sell on on cars, but I'm so happy. So this, this was special,

like this was one of the later ones, the a, a four, a five, I don't remember how the AIV,

I don't know how they broke. Were they all AIV? No, I think there was a roadster before and

then the AIV came later. I don't know much about these. I've always wanted to review one,

but they are so uncommon. So uncommon. And in my opinion, this was the idea, like,

it's perfect. It's like the execution that I would like to see from a weird car.

Yeah, V8 power manual transmission, like, it's what it's a better prouder. It's exactly the

power should have a width of V8. And by the way, I love the prouder, but, but this major

plastic in a V8 and was littler, like, this car is small and it's aluminum intensive. Yes,

very much so. And they won't, I mean, that's what it stood for. That would AIV. But nonetheless,

really cool. And brought like good money for 41, 3, like, this is like Gen 1, like nice,

Gen 1 Dodge Viper money. Was it Mustang? Was it a Mustang interior? It was a Mustang V8, right?

Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Mustang. No, it's better than a Mustang.

Some stuff. That gauge cluster. Mustang radio cluster is. But it's just rounds are different.

The climate control definitely is. Yeah, look at that. I mean, you were actually literally

sitting on the rack. That's a cool car. We got a, we got to do one of these.

Yeah, that's a Mustang. They made 176. They only made 176.

According to third-party sources. Just like the 199 spectrums, they could only sell

166 of these. I think this car is cool as hell. I'm glad. I agree with you. I'm glad we got one

on site. I'm glad we sold it. I have no idea what the market is for these cars.

Mid 40s is like kind of normal for these. So, like, so we're pretty close there.

I will say, I wouldn't be surprised if the color had a slightly detrimental effect for this one.

Exactly. I love it. I love it. The bright color, the red was what it was most famous for.

Yes. Probably 12 of the 146. But this is sort of this sort of maroon is not quite with the

keeping with the purpose of the car, right? It's like a crazy, ridiculous sports car.

And then it's like too fast. It seems like a, it seems very British to me and the purple works.

It is very, it is very weird. Burgundy. On the topic of weird and panas, this is another very odd

thing about me. On my bicycle, when I was a kid, I had a Ferrari circuit because I pretended

when I was a kid. That was my Ferrari. I also had this thing that was called a trike. It was like,

you'd stand on it and you'd like kind of ski side to side with it. Very weird thing on that.

I put a panos because it looked so weird and it was such an odd device. And that's how I

feel about this car. But I think they're so damn cool. They are. I've never seen one in person

would love to. Can't imagine how this is like, okay, you take a Boston GT engine, the Super Church V8.

Yeah. Look at that. Manel. And you live with just what? Like 10, 15, 20 grand. Are you

trying to build one of these? No, I'm probably thinking about how much it's worth to me.

That won't work here. I've been trying to think about how much it's worth to me, right? So like a good

SVT Cobra is 20. You know what your problem is? Like, like, no, I'm not. Can I tell you what your

problem is? This adds 20k of value to me compared to regular SVT Cobra. That's what I'm getting at.

This seems like a deal for how weird it looks. I agree. But nonetheless, do you know your problem is

I agree, but the specialness of the car, even if this was 100 grand, the specialness of the car

is intangible. You can't look at it. You can't look at everything from a cost-bendipro NFTs.

I get it. You want it to be not a physical object. You don't want it. Let me tell you something.

If you're going to try to analyze everything based on dollar value, the 250 GTO was going to kick your butt.

Have I ever expressed any answer to the GTO? But the market has shown you that it believes what the

GTO is worth. And so the market tells you you're wrong. Yeah. Just like the velocity sex thing.

All right. Move on. We got to move on to questions. We got to move on to questions.

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Will Barrett's home for Will Barrett. There's a few good questions today. I'm trying to decide if I

should give you a rank question or not or spare you the rank question. What's the vehicle in question?

We'll find out in a minute. But there are some good questions. And I had to go deep to find

the really good ones. Like I usually do, but this time I went really deep and I found

some with no uploads, but they were really insightful. So first question from Joe Han.

What do you think this is a really good one? Don't look at it. Don't

early question. He cheats everything. What do you think the DeLorean's reputation would be in a

hypothetical world where back to the future didn't exist? Now his question continues. But the car

was released as intended with a proper V6. Let's start. Let's start with just imagining it released as

it was with no back to the future. Can I answer the question? Yeah, the Brickland. Brickland,

I see one. That was exactly how I was talking. No one would hate it. It would be kind of

obscure. Weird. You'd see it occasionally at car shows. We don't really know much about them.

I'd be like, oh, yeah. Kind of vaguely remember that. So your contention is that as much as DeLorean

owners complain and moan about all the people that come up to him and ask him if it'll hit 88

miles an hour. It's the only reason. Yeah, I fundamentally, the biggest problem for any new

automaker or company or startup or whatever is discovery. How do you get people to find out

you have a product? And then they might fall in love with it. Yeah. Nobody would have found out

about it. And nobody would have fallen in love with it. Yeah. And especially it wouldn't have

endured. I mean, you would have sold them in period. Weird stuff was going on.

Marty McFly goes, you made a time machine out of a DeLorean. Yeah. I think he was surprised,

the fact that it was not that there was the time that a DeLorean existed. That he was seeing one.

That was, I think that was the surprise. And that was his choice. Like, you could have had all

anything else. I do think that now. His question continues to say, what if it was built as

originally in 10 with the proper V6 or imagine it with the V8? Like, what if it had actually been a

good, really good driving car? Would that have changed anything? No. Probably not. We have the

Pantera here in the office, which was drive really well. It drives well. Fantastic. Very cool special

car. Ultimately did not have any successors did not become a brand like Ferrari or Lamborghini,

whatever. That would have happened. There are a lot of good cars that nobody cares about.

Oh wow. Oh, that's an interesting. Well, you thinking, are you thinking specifically of the

Mercury Topaz? I see. That's all I'm thinking about now. It's a very interesting question. And

I totally agree with your point of view. You agree with it also? Okay. Next question from SDR

Neb. Oh, Esther Neb. What is today's equivalent to the Trans-Syberia or the Gated LP 640,

i.e. trims and specs that make the cars unsellable today, but they will be the one to have for

later enthusiasts. That's pretty easy. I need more time on the question. I need a day.

Like I need a full day where I'm not doing anything else. The Storado is the obvious one that

comes to mind. Storado has not no. The Storado is sellable. It has not not that well. It has not

been a seller. And on the use market, they're way under MSRP. However, it is very clear to me what's

going to happen in that car. The cars that it is generally agreed that the cars that people hate in

period are the cars that end up becoming amazing later. I mean, I was a kid. I remember I was

15 when the O2 to O5 NSX was on sale. Nobody wanted the car. Actual dealers would have them for 18

months. They might as well have screwed them into the showroom floor. Didn't like it the final year.

I feel like there was one year or they sold like 50. It was like the numbers were laughably low at the end.

And now it's the most desirable version. Same with the S2000CR. I remember when the S2000CR

came out. It was it was joked about in the car magazines as being a stupid pathetic run-out attempt

to sell Honda S2000s, which at that time was a 10-year-old product, right? It came out in 2000 and

by 09 was a 10-year-old product. I drove this one. It was a one on a car and that's exactly

said people laughed at him for buying it. Well, they didn't laugh at the end. He held it that

all time and I once got an email from a guy. I once got an email from a guy who bought an M,

an S54M coupon Phoenix yellow off a showroom floor. Wow. It had been sitting for a year and he

brought it home and his friends laughed at him and he kept it. And he emailed me maybe three years ago

asking if I wanted to review it. He was in New Jersey. I wasn't going to go there to do it. But I

remember reading the email. And of course, that's a 100 K car. He, you know, 20,000 miles. Yeah.

He, meanwhile his friends were, but his friends were buying like, you know, 996's that lost

two thirds of their value at an affidavit. That gets a question. Will the SF 90? No. No.

No. Okay. It won't be supportive. It won't run. It'll be a separate way. But the question is,

and by the way, another example, the 599 Alonzo edition, I remember everybody laughed at that.

Yeah. And they, they're, we still do, we still do, they're real money. Yeah. For no reason.

997 Speedster. There's a million of these. So the question is, what are the today's cars that

are like this? And the answer is I really would want to spend time thinking about, but let's

circle back next week. Oh, okay. I was going to say, I mean, there's some portions. I mean,

I feel like the sport classic probably one of those. I mean, the Dakar will too. But those cars

are beloved. Right. I know, but they're going to find off. They're being more. I guess they're

not good. And then being, being more beloved is not, it doesn't fall to be hated to vote.

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New NSX Type-S. I think new NSX Type-S has a chance. You do love to say about the NSX.

I don't think the NSX in general, but they only made 2000 new NSXs or 3000. It's

rarer than the 4GT and the Type-S specifically is a special car. I think there's a small chance

that the seven speed manual vanages last, like, car in general or last jet now, but

ask in general, like special actions in general. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. The maybe. I gotta, I gotta ponder.

If they win them all this year, I don't know. But I will basically tell you that any performance car

that is hated pretty much, I can think of very few examples where that car does not later become

beloved. Those A91 M.T. Supras, you know, everybody's going up. They all through. Which is

why it's a little wrong to say this, but, but, you know, the new Supras, just to BMW, it's

not the same. I have a suspicion to where that car is headed. The good ones anyway. Okay,

I'll give you a week to thank you. Toronto is the obvious one. Yep, that's too obvious.

It's so obvious. It's too obvious. Too obvious. Next question from Oh, yes, yes, Doug.

Any regrets on not going balls to the wall and buying an F40 after the investment to cars

and bits? Yes, I mean, it's a tough one. The F40 was what I wanted. When we were in talks

to do the investment, even before we had actually finished the investment, I had engaged the

services of my friend Matt, the cultivated collector to look for a F40. Ultimately,

he didn't find my price range. Sometimes I regret it. But remember, I just said that I did 5,000

miles in my career GT. No way I would have done that in the effort. There's no way. Also, you got

to have the courage, Gigi and the Kuntosh, which are, it's not my 40, but similar. The Kuntosh

provides a pretty similar experience. And in some ways, actually, a better one because it has the V12

and it's definitely more insane looking. And so those two things, I think, have a really big

thing. And it's also not as scary to use to use because of the value.

Yeah. Well, and that's the way the F40 builds boost. And it's, you know, the, it would have been,

there are days when I wish I had an F40 and there I guarantee if I had bought the F40, there would

be days where I wished that I had bought the courage GT. I think the dream is to have both and it's tough.

But I think that if you make a big purchase like that and can only choose one,

any, you always have regrets. It's kind of funny. People always do hypotheticals. And it's always like,

if you have enough money for such and such, you have enough money for the other one. And it's

no, not always. I was in that situation. And one of those, like, if you can only buy one car,

like, you know, kids do on the playground, like, that was me. And I had to choose. And I chose one.

And I chose the one that is more usable. And I use it more. And I don't, I don't, I think that I

made the better choice. I would say 80% of me agrees with the choice I made, but there's,

there's always going to be that 20% and I think if it went the other way, I would still feel that way.

There was a lot of debate before you bought either. Tinnon is still, it hates me for it. Yep.

A little bit. No, I love, I love that you use the courage GT. I really love the guntosh.

But yeah, the F40, I mean, I would say we would normalize enough 40. If I hadn't added the

kuntosh, I think I would regret it more. Yeah, totally. You needed the buzzer. The one cool thing about

the prairie GT kuntosh combo is that I think those two cars do everything better than the F40,

except for maybe being the icon, although the kuntosh is, for the general public is probably more

iconic than the F40. Yes, but we aren't the general public. We're current enthusiasts,

and so the F40 is the law. It's me. Yep. Okay. Yep. Next question. Okay. I'm going to do it.

We're going to do a rank. All right. I hope I can put it just to write down my thoughts.

Write down. I also need to write down the cars. It's a little more complicated than normal one.

Rank all of the big 90s Japanese sports cars. Okay. This is tough. That's really hard. Cars are

only the top level. NSX Supra. Yeah. NSX Supra. 3000 GT. Do we carry them? Yeah. 300ZX Supra

SVX. FDRX 7. FDRX 7. Yep. FDRX 7. That's and you know what? Put our three four on there. Put

our put skyline. Are you going to put four and R33? Twitch Skyline GTR. Just put Skyline GTR. Yeah.

And put that's basically it. Yep. And I'm not going to go STI and EVO. They weren't

they were different. They were, they were rally four door kind of thing. I was just saying 90s in

general. Yeah. And I'm not going to take our type R because we got NSX on here and I think

that that's the way. I'm going to throw out an order. Oh, just just to get this started. So

wait, there's so there's there's seven days. There's six. There's six of these six of these.

Okay. That's really hard. Okay. I have an order. I'm going to make a call for me.

Call them for for you. Call them for Kevin. Yeah. They're all really different.

All right. Everybody take a take a second. I think to yourself. Yeah. Go. I'm doing that.

Yeah. I think we I'm just Google dumb and I think we have them all. You got the SVX in there,

right? No. No. You got you got to put the SVX on. I'm not putting that. No. SVX has to go on.

I'm not putting that. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's to be 20. That's to be

20. That's really the SVX. The SVX did not have 276 forward. Therefore didn't count. We're

talking pinnacle cars. 276 cylinder. The RX seven didn't even have a six cylinder,

but it had seven six forward. Yeah. Well done. Rotary. All the referee bros who older

eyes. There are going to be people who eviscerate you for this. Good.

People wants to hate. Okay. I'm going to the SVX can be on my list. People are not going to

like my answers. Just that's all I'm going to say. All right. Wait. We got to talk it through. I

don't want to I don't want to just have you do it in silence. So let's let's first off.

Let's let's let's let's right. Let's do last first. I would think the SVX. Okay. I'm not

eating that. Yeah. Honestly, I love Subaru. I love two-tone cars. No, no, SVX. The SVX is

especially because it was I will put it in the US. They were automatic only and the automatic

wasn't even good enough to handle the power that it had. Yeah. 200 horsepower. They all

destroy their SVX last for all three of us. We can all agree. Yeah. Sure. Done. Okay. Next to last.

And I'm going to you're going to upset a community no matter what you do. Yep. However

to do. I want to point out that this is a ranking of great cars. Yep. Yeah. Okay. And also really

hard to pick between these. And it's not one where I'm going to I have thought about it for

approximately five seconds. I could be swayed. The last the next last one is the 3000 GT and I'll tell

you why the base models were front wheel drive. Yeah. Which is true of no other car on this list.

What? Okay. We're talking base model Skyline GTR away. We're not.

And actually the base Skylines were front wheel drive. So like, like, what are we doing here?

But, but, but there were so many 3000 GT, the only three versions. What are we doing?

We're talking about the car. The car is the general included the base model.

Do you think that's better than the C32? Yeah. Yeah. You're driven. I know I have.

I drove it late. I drove a late VR4. It was a good car. So you I put the 3000 GT just above

the 300 ZX. I actually agree with that. Okay. So you're changing your ranking. No. 3000 GT is

last. Okay. I put 300 ZX class. Although I love the GT and the Dodge Stealth. Yep.

What are you putting in third class? Well, wait, second to last. Oh, yeah. Because the SV.

Yeah. Third to last. I'm only doing it because you have to. The 300 ZX has to be next.

Okay. Because you and I have the flipped, but we're in the same. You have to put the 300 ZX next.

And we're only talking about the Z32. And the reason you have to do that is because

your remaining cars are the NSX, the Supra, the Skyline GTR, and the FD.

Yeah. Like icons. Yeah. Like genuine icon. Yeah. Because the Z32,

300 ZX is a seriously good car. Yeah. But the next four are some of the probably the four

greatest cars Japan ever made. Right. And in their time, some of those compelling cars.

Yeah. Period. Period. Okay. So what's first? I am saying NSX first.

I'm a mark for you. Here's the benefit of NSX. It's the only, well, that, to be fair,

and the FDR7 are the only purpose-built sports cars. The Supra had lower trim versions.

It's not really as like deliberately. It's not mid-engine. It's not as sports cary.

That's true. As an NSX. And the NSX, although I still always feel

their little underpowered, is one of the best balanced sports cars I've ever driven.

Our FD is too. FD.

Never driven an FD, but is one of the most beautiful.

FD is not only beautiful. Designed here in California.

Not only beautiful, but smooth, perfect handling.

Yeah. I've never driven a major. I've mentioned a better Miata, which is hard to do because the Miata

era was a great car. It's like a more powerful and yet and bigger, but doesn't lose any of the

littleness because the RX7 was still a little car. Does the rotary helper hurt?

It helps because it's one of the smoothest data, but we don't have to help her hurt.

You don't have to own it. We're not talking about reliable.

Oh, yeah. We're talking about NFC VREWs. Okay.

I agree with Philippa. I put the NSX at number one.

And the FD at number two, I put the Supra in.

The Supra community hates me and I want to be one of you. I want to be part of the

Supra community. The GTR. You're putting the FD above the Supra.

It's so good. You put the FD above, you put, you just said the GTR, you just don't like the GTR.

I love, dude, what am I supposed to do? What you rank up?

All right, Ken. You rank, Ken. I think NSX and then what?

NSX. Yep. I'd say then, are we suppose, so it's R34 and R33?

I think it's just Skyline GTR in general. I mean, both it's going to be the R33 for

the R34 was made. It's 34 was made. Yeah, but the 34 wasn't, it was made tonight.

But the, I didn't think the 34 went into the 2000s. I think it was purely a

40 for dawn. What did he say? What did the R32 then? That came out like November of 89.

Just for the record, the 34 did go into 2000s.

Did it? Okay. Yeah, early 2000s. You rank up, rank up.

I would put, so NSX, I think I would put, then I put the Supra.

Yeah, see, come on January 99. So maybe I'm a little wrong.

But the R4 Supra. Then I would put the GTR R32. I honestly, I love the R32.

You put the R32, if you drove the F8, you'd put it first midway through this.

I had the almost the same order as Ken, but I flipped the GTR after you.

You know what? I've never driven one. I'd love to.

I think they're wonderful cars. You know what? But don't forget, it also was available

with an automatic. So, so was the Supra. Yeah, that's true too.

So was the NSX? Actually, so yeah, all three of them.

I don't think the Skyline was. No, I don't.

Not the GTR. Maybe that should be number one.

All right, number one. So, so we all have your ship with your left hand always.

We all in my, I prefer it. We all have driven right hand drive cars.

That's a shawntake for whatever reason. When I was in Africa,

it just like, it feels more, I just, it's more comfortable to command the car.

I'm right handed to command the car with my right hand, like steering.

I command the engine with my right hand.

I don't know. I just, it felt more and after me.

Okay, I think it's good to play the cello and I'm used to like, I don't know.

He's dropping out. We all drop on the cello. He's dropping his experience.

We all right. I'm a well-cultured person.

And it's like first, that's VX last time.

We also, we also pretty much agree that 300ZX and 3000 GT should be last at some level.

Although I strongly believe that 3000 GT should be worse.

The Z32, 300ZX is a seriously good car.

Oh, I agree. Never driven it, but that didn't GT just feel a little bit,

maybe kind of, it's a little bit rare or the less commune around.

It feels more special. Especially the VR4 spider, you know?

We got to get the VR4 spider. It's not a beautiful car.

I just, the VR4 spider.

Top down, that is one of, that is the most beautiful.

Except for the, our FD, which is the most beautiful car for me.

Wow. Top down, 3000 GT spider is not just VR4, by the way.

They did a regular car build drive.

Can you ever see them with the top up?

Yeah, I think it looks pretty good.

I don't think the coupe look that good, to be honest.

Okay, the point is, the point is, I want to switch my order around completely.

After NSX, I do want to put Mark IV, then GTR, then FD.

No way, Mark IV, then FD, then GTR.

No way, GTR, then you know what? I can't decide.

FD second, you committed Supra somewhere in the middle.

You know what? I'm okay with that.

That's my list is a purest list.

The list that comes out of this with NSX first and FD second is a purest list.

And by the way, I want the Skyline head to Super.

I want the Skyline head to Super.

I had to convince you that NSX was a good one.

One of the reasons I want the Supra is irony.

I don't think the Supra is, is better driving than any of my top three.

So NSX, FD, Skyline GTR, Supra fun.

300ZX, 3000 GT, SVX, that is the correct order.

I finally got one of these.

My order is better, thank you.

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Final car.

Final co-question.

Final question.

And by that, I mean, there will be two final questions.

Number one, from speed and power 15,

what do you think of the Ford GTX1?

Would you ever buy one?

And if so, what is it worth to you?

For those who don't know,

the Ford GT, which I have,

they made a convert, they briefly, they were going to make a convertible version.

Ford had a lot of different partners to create the Ford GT.

They didn't all build the whole thing in house.

There were a lot of people who participated.

And they were going to make a convertible with one of the partners.

And they're just either it was too expensive to do,

or they just didn't have the interest because the car wasn't selling well enough as a coupe.

They didn't do it.

One of the things you'll notice is that a lot of the,

a lot of the really special cars that were only made as coupes.

One of the reasons for that is that there wasn't enough interest in the coupe to justify

convertible. A good example of that is actually the new NSX where there was

absolutely going to be a convertible and then it just didn't happen.

So this car is one of those.

There was a company in Wisconsin that worked with Ford that ended up making,

I don't know how many.

They were going to make 200 or 500.

I think maybe they got 50 out the door, maybe 30 to 50 something like that.

And they called it the GTX1 and it's an open car for GT.

I would, I love it.

I think it's the coolest thing in the world and I really want one.

And they come up for sale occasionally, but very, very, very uncommon.

This is the one I think of.

Unfortunately, a decent chunk of them have these wheels,

which are not attracted, but this is a yellow car with hideously yellow wheels.

The car was actually engineered much different than you would expect.

The rear is completely different from a Ford GT.

A lot of people think they just cut off the roof.

That is not what happened.

The rear haunt, like the entire rear, in fact, the claim opens up.

The entire rear is different.

So you can see here in this picture, my car does not have that double bubble looking thing.

Instead, it has the glass coming down.

The everything in the back is different.

Also, the roof panels actually clamp into place with a gasket around them to keep

rain out.

Like, it is a well engineered car because it was done with Ford.

Anyway, the point is have I ever considered one,

often on and like recently, I've kind of been really on it.

However, the 4 GT is on a big upswing right now and I just think this car is probably got

out of reach for me to be able to want to afford.

I think that I would probably pay another 200 grand on top of my car.

So probably mid-fives for one.

Yeah.

I think that's not available anymore.

I think that most of these cars were driven basically zero.

So they're all no mile cars and they're a rear GTX one.

I think they're probably more expensive than that now.

Yeah, it would be cool, but you're doing all right.

I am.

It would be cool to have this car with an open wheel drive.

The only regret I have on this car for seven years, the only regret I have really

is that here in Southern California, I don't have the ability to have an open roof in it.

And I think initially I couldn't afford one.

And over the years, I've come to the conclusion like,

maybe I should have stretched and done it when I could have.

Turns out you couldn't afford it not to.

Yeah, probably a great final question for today.

No, there was one more, which is for us and by us, I mean us.

From Porsche 997 Turbo, Dougan Cannon, maybe Filippo.

The Ferrari SF90 is incredibly fast supercar with a thousand horsepower from the factory.

It seems to be the perfect Ferrari supercar on paper.

Scorching performance, textbook design, feels like a driver's car.

However, the use market doesn't like the car.

With the SF90 being the seemingly perfect supercar,

why does it do so badly in new and new sales?

Well, for one, it was incredibly expensive and it looks very much like a normal Ferrari.

It looks like an F8.

There really wasn't that much to distinguish them visually.

And so people are like, why am I going to spend more than double the cost

for once you've optioned it for this car?

And so I think that really hit it.

The other thing is there are a lot of questions around Ferrari's

hybrid technology about how they're going to support it.

It's reliability.

If every time we go into the Ferrari deal,

there's at least one LaFoura and they're getting a battery.

And they're $300,000 for a battery.

And Ferrari doesn't supply them anymore.

So, you know, there's that.

And also it's just like, I think those are the main

and production numbers.

And production numbers.

Yeah, it's not a limited production car.

They just are making them in like, they're all round.

And so I think for those reasons,

I don't even think on paper, I would consider it a perfect Ferrari.

It's a great modern Ferrari.

But it's not at the number of people want it.

And the number of the transactions for now,

the market agrees with that.

And at that number, it feels much more appropriate.

Again, the high 300 range.

The other thing that I think is a sophisticated point,

but important to mention is that in addition to the fact

that it looked just like the 296 or an F8,

it didn't perform much better.

That's is also true.

And so like you were not only asking people to pay double the cost

for an unlimited production car that could have been made a zillion of,

but you were asking him to make this massive financial commitment

and not really get that much of an additional benefit.

And it'll be performing.

And also hybrid if you want it.

296 is so good.

And then not only are you paying that,

you're getting that hybrid system,

which you're like people at that level aren't really even sure they want.

That's a tough thing.

And it was a transition for Ferrari too.

But also like a lot of screens and a lot of other interior changes

that I have had on paper.

It's a pretty desirable car.

But when you think about these things,

296 is so much more desirable in my mind.

One of the most desirable sports cars in the market today.

Definitely.

And to be clear, you know,

for his hybrid technology,

this seems to be more reliable.

But like it was a concern for people.

But I agree like for a whole lot less,

296 kind of gets you there.

So yeah.

I will say also,

for our FF front transmissions being $70,000,

Ferrari still has this wrap that like the cars are difficult to own.

And I would be concerned about that with an SF90

with the high up thing.

I would rather limit my exposure to any

potentially experimental.

And like,

for our user cars,

that people own for a pretty long period of time,

generally people like to have them collect them, take care of them.

I remember when our co-founder Blake had his F430,

it had F1 transmission problems.

He took it to Ferrari Diagnose.

They contacted the factory and they said the people who worked on this

transmission system are no longer here.

We can't help you.

You're on your own.

That they made a gazillion of those and not that longer.

If they're willing to do it with a transmission,

there's no way they're going to continue to support that stuff.

Yeah, and that affects your resell value.

And that's deeply affected.

Because that is radically affected FF resell values.

The fact that that's that that front transmissions.

During co-founder there in the high 80s.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, yeah, and it will fail.

It's like a question of question one.

So yeah, I think those those are the reasons and for that reason,

give me a communal Ferrari.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's our pot.

It's it.

I just want to make clear to everybody again,

NSX FD Skyline GTR,

mark for 300 ZX, 3000 GT and SVX.

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