Tesla Releasing a Cheap Car in 2025? Best Bargains in Enthusiast Cars!

Tesla Releasing a Cheap Car in 2025? Best Bargains in Enthusiast Cars! THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! · Dec 13, 2024

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Aston Martin Vulcan

The Aston Martin Vulcan is a very exclusive sports car meant for racing on tracks. It has a powerful engine and is designed to be very fast and exciting to drive.

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concept car

A concept car is a special type of car that car companies create to show off new ideas and designs. They usually aren't made for sale but help companies see what people like.

Term

V6 hybrid

A V6 hybrid is a type of engine that uses six cylinders to burn fuel and also has an electric motor. This combination helps the car use less gas and produce less pollution.

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ZR1

The ZR1 is a super-fast version of the Chevrolet Corvette. It's built for speed and performance, making it one of the most powerful cars in the Corvette lineup.

Term

horsepower

Horsepower tells you how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.

Term

Curb weight is how much a car weighs when it's full of gas and ready to drive, but without any people or stuff inside. It helps you know how heavy the car is, which affects how it handles and how much gas it uses.

Term

plug-in hybrid

A plug-in hybrid car can run on electricity and gas. You can charge it at home, and it can drive a certain distance using just electricity before it needs to use gas.

Car

Mercedes-AMG

Mercedes-AMG makes faster and sportier versions of regular Mercedes cars. They have more powerful engines and better handling, making them fun to drive.

Term

supercar

A supercar is a very fast and stylish sports car that is more powerful than regular cars. They are designed for high performance and are usually quite expensive.

Term

hypercar

A hypercar is an extremely fast and expensive sports car that uses the latest technology and design. They are often made in small numbers and are considered the best of the best in the car world.

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BMW F80

Car

Ferrari F80

The Ferrari F80 is a proposed super-fast car from Ferrari that represents their cutting-edge design and technology.

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Aston Martin Valour

The Aston Martin Valour is a new car from Aston Martin that focuses on being both powerful and luxurious.

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Ford Escape

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Ford Expedition

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Ford Excursion

Term

twin-turbo V8

A twin-turbo V8 is a powerful engine that has two turbochargers to help it run faster and produce more power. It's often found in sports cars because it makes them go really fast.

Car

Ferrari SF90

The Ferrari SF90 is a super-fast sports car that uses both a gasoline engine and electric motors to go really fast while being more efficient. It's part of a new wave of cars that are both powerful and eco-friendly.

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Mazda 6

The Mazda 6 is a car that is popular for its good looks and fun to drive. The 2017 version had some new features and a fresh design.

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Ferrari F40

The Ferrari F40 is a famous sports car made by Ferrari in the late 1980s. It's known for being very fast and has a unique design that many car enthusiasts admire.

Term

V12 engine

A V12 engine has twelve cylinders, which helps it produce a lot of power and run very smoothly, making it popular in high-end sports cars.

Car

Mercedes-Benz SL63

The SL63 is a luxury sports car made by Mercedes-Benz. It's known for being fast and comfortable, and it's part of the SL-Class lineup.

Term

Halo

The Halo is a safety feature in race cars that helps protect the driver's head if the car flips over or crashes. It's a strong piece of the car's structure.

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McLaren Elva

The McLaren Elva is a supercar without a roof, designed for speed and style. It's very light and fast, making it a unique choice among high-end cars.

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Ferrari SP2

The Ferrari SP2 is like the SP1 but has room for two people. It's a high-performance car that celebrates Ferrari's classic designs.

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Ferrari SP1

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McLaren Alva

The McLaren Alva is a special sports car without a roof, designed for high performance and speed. It's made by McLaren, a brand known for its supercars.

Car

Gordon T50

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hello and welcome to this carpod I'm

Kenan I'm felipa and there's a lot to

talk about today let's start with the

news Aston Martin

Valhalla Valhalla Vulcan Valkyrie

there's a lot of Aston Martins there are

a lot of not not like sold just in the L

but they've re announced they've reann

and I say that because uh the Aston

Martin valhall had been previously

announced as a concept car back in 2019

it was going to have a V6 hybrid oh then

in 21 they Resh showed it and said

production would start in 23 you don't

find this to be exciting I mean it still

doesn't exist yet yeah I know so I know

because in 21 they said it' be here in

23 well now it's 24 they say he'll be

here in 26 maybe every two years they're

going to say it's going to be here two

years from now as Martin trying to keep

the brand exciting just keep same car I

will tell you this and this is something

that I want you to be impressed by cars

1,64 horsepower just like the new ZR1

same figure 1,64 is the same engine yeah

same

engine no 1064 horsepower and get this

this is where you're going to be blown

your mind is going be blown dry weight

3650 so curb weight probably 38 3,900

it's a light it's a lightweight that's a

joke that's a joke it's almost to uh a

thousand of them are going to be made

but you know right now it hasn't being

made it is Going H it's a plugin hybrid

it's a plug-in hybrid based on Mercedes

AMG uh but I I agree with Kenan in the

sense that I'm a little reluctant to get

really into the details because we've

been lied to before right I mean yes

it's another halo car for Aston Martin

but wasn't the valkyrie also that and

that's this is like slotting below the

valkyrie the valkyrie is a halo car on a

level that like felipo will never attain

as corre you know what I mean like

that's a four and a half million attain

this you as a person you will attain it

you won't have of you just like get to

this level of humanity so hold on so

that's 4 and a half Millions any price

figures on what this is going to be the

last time they showed it which was in 21

they said over a million now they're

talk no I'm sorry that was in 19 they

said it over a million then in 21 they

said around 800 so you got to figure one

and a half well I'm glad that they

really are so they make a $4 million car

and if you're not that rich if you only

have if you don't have three commas in

your net worth if you have two then you

you can get this well that's that's

that's how it works I know but that's

it's just who I just don't care about

like these ultra high I also have really

grown a little tired of the another

hyper car another superar particularly

from Master Martin which is a brand when

Ferrari announces an f80 I look at it I

that's that's something you have to

focus on when Aston Martin announces yet

another to one the that it's not

identical the valky you're talking about

the original Val or the Valour no no the

the original

the original one why did they pick the

letter V you know in my family we name

all our pets starting with the letter T

and they've chosen V they' chosen V it

doesn't work as well with a car company

because Ford found this out when they

tried to do it with f and and with e

with the SUVs they had explore Escape it

was hard Expedition Excursion it's

marketing makes it challenging like it's

hard for consumers to distinguish and as

a consumer I gotta be honest I it's

Valhalla Vulcan Victory I don't know I

don't there's one called the Victor is

it really

victory yeah I don't know I don't know

the point is this car is going to be a

plugin hybrid uh twin turbo v864

horsepower it'll be cool it'll be like

the sf90 and the um uh rev welto what's

the chance that Asar goes to bankrupt

before this car actually com out I know

everybody's all excited like oh this is

cool it's like good I will never forget

I to this day I was at the Mazda 6

launch cars not even want sale anymore

is it I was at the new Mazda 6 launch

2017 and they were like we're going to

have a diesel in 6 months I remember and

you know what I'm still waiting so I

don't trust anything that any automaker

ever tells me at any time ever until it

is driving down the street in front of

me I I don't I don't totally disagree

so I don't know but yeah to your point

they it's worn the Shine off of the

really special cars because when they a

lot of something that're really special

it's no longer really special right and

I think that I'm sure will be amazing

but right but all of them are amazing

there's so many for Rich guys to go fast

I know and that's how you make money but

you got to actually release the carard

and sell it the problem is you don't

necessarily make money that way if you

don't have something behind it the F40

sells sold and sells now because it's

like got this historical panach just

creating another thousand horsepower

electric car or plug-in hybrid there's

it doesn't and Mclaren has discovered

this these cars aren't incredibly easy

to sell necessarily just because they

make a $2 million car doesn't mean it

sells out doesn't mean there's ton of

people want to buy it and especially

with an Aston Martin brand name you got

to kind of Wonder there should have a

V12 too you know do what Ferrari is not

doing put a V12 in it and three pedals

imagine if this had a V12 and three

pedals oh my God people be lining up to

buy it and by lining up I mean they

would sell out it would be still hard

but it won't wouldn't be as hard as this

which will be to sell speaking of cars

that won't sell skip on to that open top

Mercedes thing yeah we'll get to these

we'll get to all these stor tell me

about this so this is the AMG the

Mercedes AMG pure speed so in addition

to trying to copy Ferrari by building a

car with no roof because this is a true

barquetta they also gave it a stupid

name they did um but this car so it's

it's an SL63 underneath but what they've

done is they've tried to tie into their

Formula 1 Heritage and put this bar now

on Formula One card it's called the Halo

the idea is that it's a piece of

structure of the car if you flip it over

it will protect the driver and it has

saved it has genuinely saved lives it's

a really important thing in a formul one

car distinctive piece not particularly

attractive not attractive but when when

you look at an f one car it's one of the

first things you see now in a form one

card it's necessary now you'll notice

that in in the picture of this and for

those of you can't see it's pretty close

to the headrest your head is like about

here meaning that I don't think that

does a whole lot in the way of safety

necessarily well it it probably is

probably will it probably will hold the

weight of the car is my guess I don't

think it's quite as effective as it is

in a Formula 1 car but nonetheless

regardless regardless

the things about so but basically

underneath it's it's an SL63 same four 4

L twin turbo V8

577 so the regular SL63 is

$188,000 and the E Performance Hybrid

is$ 20000 or plus and there there's

ain't gonna be around there no they they

their speculation Mercedes-Benz hasn't

come up with an official price for you

they say around $300,000 around $300,000

for windshield list here's my problem

with this vehicle and by the way I

actually kind of like how it looks I

think it looks pretty cool um here's my

problem with this vehicle we have

learned from McLaren Elva from Ferrari

sp1 and SP2 and from uh what was the

other op Aston Martin did it a two it

had two like teardrop seats I can't

remember what it's called that these

cars don't sell like I met a lot of

tasteless Rich guys and I filmed their

cars and even they wouldn't want didn't

buy the McLaren ala they were like NOP

we're going to buy all the other ones we

don't want Al so why did mlar why does

mercedesbenz think that a windshield car

is the way to go I think because they

can't sell SLS anyway right so like yeah

you do something different they did it

once

before Oh yes they did yes they they had

another expensive performance car yes

yes yes they did and they yes pull it up

we want to see it it's the Sterling Moss

when Mercedes was trying to sell the SLR

and for some reason had committed to a

production of 3500 units which was about

3,300 units too many they

decided damn they decided to come up

with a windshield lless version called

the Sterling Moss named after famous

windshield race car driver Sterling Moss

he's an incredibly legitimate human

being man didn't have a windshield

though and so they came out with this it

looks better than it looks so much

better and honestly when I see him and I

which I don't when I see pictures of him

I'm like you know that's actually pretty

cool it's so cool I've never seen one in

person I would love to there's the the

prince of mon car collection has one

it's there's a museum oh thank you for

yeah oh well okay next time I'm there

down to Mono they also have the bubble

top ls600 HL you know not really the

same that the SLR was a super card at

time this is just an SL no they're only

going to build 250 of these allegedly oh

250 that's probably a number that'll get

it done one hopes if they're 300 G's

that's probably a number that'll get it

done probably what what do you think is

going to be a harder sell the Aston

Martin whatever we just talked about or

the uh AMG Speed Shift well on this I'll

tell you what they give you helmets that

have an intercom wait wait there's

helmets yes there are helmets that like

aerodynamically designed to like fit in

the car well first off if you got

helmets you don't need the bar to be

structural the helmet will support your

weight second yep yep you just learned

something let me think about

that second if you can talk to your

passenger then like that's great man you

don't need a motorcycle you can just get

a speed

track it's it's it's pure speed I'm p is

capital S is capital there will be no

situation under which that I refer to

the car by that name what do you got to

call this then I like Speed Shift which

is what they call the transmission

um still call that because they did

Speed Shift buddy did they still call

that y I don't know yep uh okay well

that's that's GNA be a poor uh car that

won't won't sell well but I I gotta say

I think it's cooler than I wish that I

thought it was because it's obviously a

cynical attempt to

sell at least the front end looks better

than the actual this be sold in the

United States

entirely sure it's going also it does

have a windshield sort of well all the

wind the ELA doesn't right it uses air

no it's optional I believe in the the

and when you put the windshield on an

alpha it just looks like

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our what was our next news story that we

skipped over to talk about talk about

aun super cars that are never going to

sell new 4Runner pricing has been

announced and boy are people angry the

new foreign is going to start at some

crazy amount of M that number is lower

than what they originally said 4770 is

without destination and destination

charges these days are like seven so 42

or 4199 whatever it's like 42 and and

and change um but that's a base model

four-cylinder Bassy basy B that's what

the current one it's about what the

current one starts at but the current

one bases with a V6

that's been around for three decades and

makes 200 horse we like our four ler 200

horse that's all we need it might be

before 4un fans complain I'm sure it's

240 or something no it's a big number

it's like 3 million what is but it's

it's rare that a car increases cost by

like $45 or whatever the starting monp

is okay

well the higher trims are a lot more

expensive well sure now I I I did I I

did a Dollar by Dollar comparison and

some of the higher trims are like three

three to six grand more expens do they

have adapted cruise control and L this

is the thing this is the thing number

one people are up in arms because it's

are people upset by this I'm thrilled

that it's it's it is more expensive the

base you can't compare Base to Base no

but you can get into a 4er for the same

price you can get into a 2020 44 that's

been the same for literally 14 years 14

years still has hallogen running lights

the last car and doesn't have adap

cruise to stop if memory serves it has a

five speed automatic probably it might

be a four I don't know the backup camera

right the backup camera is like there's

they pay a guy to just tell you

right low wage um it's cheaper than it's

the same cost I know that it's a smaller

engine I know it's a base trim base trim

but still that's notable that it didn't

increase more uh the higher trims did

increase but like three to six to five

to eight grand it's much more expensive

however there's a couple points I'd like

to make number one people are

complaining about this also with Tacoma

Toyota's lost their minds I was there

and by I was there I mean I ran a

business where people were selling these

cars when these cars were selling for

that and Toyota wasn't making the money

right the TRD Pros forerunners were

priced at like 55 and people were

flipping them for like 65 Toyota was

sitting there thinking why are we not

making this money and it's hard to fault

Toyota for going after money that the

market said was there how the drawback

is that flipper Market has died and so

in a world where these cars were selling

for 65 pretty regularly they aren't

anymore and now Toyota's trying to go

into that price point it was bad timing

but people are complaining about these

prices msrps in past the MSRP was too

cheap based on how the market viewed the

value of the car also there there's the

current 4Runner sure there's a TRD Pro

yeah it doesn't have nearly the level of

offro equipment that the new 4Runner has

it's probably about the same is it they

got TR doesn't develop new stuff they

got Mel they're doing more they haven't

really invested in the it's a much

better vehicle I haven't driven it but

I've been in it and been around it it is

a modernized version of the car that

doesn't however more doesn't seem insane

but that doesn't necessarily allow you

to charge a lot more just modern in the

car it's it is expected as table Stakes

that you modernize the cars every few

years usually even a redesign they don't

upgrade up the price by three or five

grand my contention though is the market

already showed that it was willing to

pay these I still is four owners are

still hard to get they well Grand

Highlanders are hard to get TD Pro and

TD off-road which are the top TD Pro

which are the top trim is still hard to

get it is it is which is what the top

trims are here yeah it's still it's

still relatively hard to get I think

it's more of a production constraint

than a cost

buts prodction ConEd why theice because

people are and they the additional and I

don't blame Toyota and I think it's

totally reasonable if that's what the

market wants and people complain all the

time about markups but if people pay

them then that's what the market wants

like I that's how supply and demand

works right this is I went into econ 101

this woman named Bev taught it her name

was be kenon I will pay you see if I

have I will pay you $10

if could name all of the SUVs in

Toyota's 202 oh wow oh my God can you

yeah of course okay K go for it I don't

think you can I 10 crisp dolls

shockingly really really what do you got

what do you got give us a couple I I

recommend starting from smallest going

to large or cheapest going to most

expensive I will tell you one cut in

front of me today that I would have

forgotten in

less there's no way I can do this um you

think it can name half no know how many

more it can name outside the four

no you got you know

mine six I will give you this six

apparently there's more than six good

luck all right so four runners seoa

um uh yeah I'm kind of I don't know okay

wait wait hang on hang on I'm gonna do

it I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it come

on I mean I can do the same thing with

you give me Ferrari's line it' be the

same thing can you name all them I bet

you'll forget some I think I can okay go

all right I'm try to start the Cora

cross yep the raav 4 yeah ra I'm going

to call the ra 4 Prime the same thing

yeah I agree they don't but I agree the

crown sign oh this might happen the

Highlander the grand Highlander uh the

Forerunner the L Cruiser the Sequoia I

do feel like I'm missing one uh let's

see no that's all of them they don't

sell the CHR anymore that's all the ones

that I can think of well that's riveting

uh yeah that's all congratulations wait

a minute go through them one more time

oh god oh no you did you did you said

Highlander and Grand Highlander yeah

yeah yeah you got them all

congratulations thank you you have $10

for me huh no yeah he's over here

talking oh wait you know what you forgot

the regular Crown which has the ground

clearance of sport

je that's a great Point well done I

would have done it too but I'm surprised

you got Crown signia Al you like I will

say this pricing kind of when the

4Runner was announced at the same time

as they were doing first drive of the

lane Cruiser we were all kind of like

how are they splitting this to have a

Land Cruiser and a GX and an lx600 and

now lx700 yep the pricing kind of makes

it work yeah it's cheap enough we were

wored it's pric like Land Cruiser I

don't understand how much is a Land

Cruiser Land Cruisers are like mid-50s

this well this start 15 grand less yeah

but the for to to to equal equivalized

the the You' pay about mid I'm kind of

assuming that in like 2027 they'll

announce a smaller you know what

off CR if you will I'm going to tell you

this when we drive around we will know

the real off-roaders bought a 4Runner

and the guys who like to drive around

and look cool bought a Land Cruiser

because ultimately the 4Runner has more

stuff beefier better priced but it

doesn't have the name right the name

guys what if they buy a GX 550 I guess

that's okay yeah they should have a

sequoia TRD problem Mo I I am kind of

curious one last point on the

pricing for the first model year of the

new one I wonder what it Compares like

adjusted for inflation price model year

of of like the first model year of the

old one

like how much does inflation play into

like the price of this car it doesn't

that doesn't seem that crazy to me did

you know that in 2010 the 4Runner SR5

sport utility which is a base base Trend

start at

30 uh started at 30 yeah that makes

sense I mean it feels like it's kind of

2010 that's that's only an increase of

30% since 2010 that's probably about

what that probably about keeps up with

inflation yeah so I think it's probably

I mean I was just thinking and it's

obviously a much better truck I mean

this was on leagues better than cheapest

new car America is 18 Grand like things

have kind of changed you know it's like

I don't think that equivalent to 48 oh

damn we're getting a deal go buy a 4un

it's a bargain cars in general have beat

inflation like they're they're cheaper

than inflation especially given what

they offer yeah anytime I drive for a

video an 80s car I'm like I can't

believe people paid the equivalent of

like a hundred grand for this trash yep

it's like amazing like like six M3 GT is

a very cool car but like not for what it

cost when it you get into a new M3 or M4

like this is incredible to drive that

was like PE that plastic people bought

that thing for that money and it was

incredible to it was incredible at the

time that's how bad other cars were

before when will you drive a 4Runner

spring March I think they said cool I

can't wait I truly can't wait I think

it's so cool cool moving on already made

my opinion okay yeah all right uh ionic

5n is shown here because it's the only

cool card that Hyundai makes that's not

true yep but close um you can now buy a

Hyundai on Amazon amazon.com amazon.com

Jeff bezos's website they they announced

a partnership like a year ago where you

be able to buy it it's finally live wait

a in Select Market was was it Hyundai

you could buy at Costco also Costco does

have a bunch of manufacturing programs

but but you can't buy them through

Costco okay so now you can go on you can

go to Amazon you can see all the

inventory and then you can like

legitimately start your purchase you

still have to go through a dealer and as

far as I can tell it's only sort of

available in our area uh because I tried

and just get sent to the dealer website

yeah okay so and there it is okay I'm

interested at Hyundai of tula and you

click on begin purchase in theory you

can get full pricing information and

financing information on Amazon I have

not seen that to be true and I've seen

people talking online about how it just

it's right here it's right here it gives

you to then the dealership to actually

complete the purchase but it it's

interesting they got rules about all

this stuff you can also get $2,300 in

Amazon gift cards if you for a li time

you can't buy it you can't not buy a

card a dealership they they got rules so

that's question it back in and it oh

here buy my new like I I'm glad they're

doing this I like Innovation and how

people buy cars right clearly we run

cars and Beds which is an innovation how

people buy cars use cars but like I

given that you s go to a dealership yeah

it's it's it's the concept the autom

make the Legacy automakers are seeing

that what Tesla has Rivia and have done

which is they got a kiosk at the mall

and you order a car and then a little

robot delivers it is um and they want to

do that but they've got all these dealer

agreements and there's all these laws

and stuff they can't really do it but

here you go 337 a month for a venue

great can you begin purchase yeah I can

click on begin purchase send you to

dealer probably the dealer will call me

for the next decade sign up for a venue

but it is nice that you can see across

dealers a little bit more easily

obviously cars.com carg whatever you can

see that but it's nice of it in one

place uh and where you do all your

shopping of this do you think eventually

it'll be available on Prime and that

will then that'll yeah that'll

revolutionize the shipping indust the

car shipping industry which is

notoriously slow I bet that they have

thought about this a lot yeah that would

be amazing that would be amazing if I

could go if I could go on Amazon and

order like have it show up tomorrow or

like like book service oh well that

would be incredible like like like I got

my G wagon I want to get get Amazon to

come service it I be i' be afraid of

that but I think my main takeaway is

that this is not that notable it's not

that notable unless unless it does more

the concept of it is cool that you can

shop on Amazon but like if you have to

go through the dealer if you have to do

the whole process anyway then it's just

it's an aggregator like like Auto

and like financing 337 a month for that

venue that's so dependent on your actual

credit score you're not going to get the

real info for a while so we're being

lied to not being lied to about though

is oh yes no go to the next one I want

to talk about the next one no no the

next one not the previous one there no

the must T yeah I thought it was a great

segue to the model q no this is not a

lie you know how they know that because

it's down to the thousandth of a second

yes that's right the Mustang GTD is laid

down a Time on the nurburg r 67. 685

Doug did not know what the Mustang gcd

was I knew what it was I knew what it

was I just like what is it can it's a

track Focus version of the Mustang it's

supposed to be their halo car so it's a

$300,000 $325,000 Mustang uh this is

8155 horsepower but it is a multimatic

suspension system which is incredible

they had it at the quail and I got to

really look at it it's it's beautiful

like front engine no didn't they move

the engine what the GT no wow I imagine

this great I don't know what it is man

you're a Corvette guy know anything now

that we move the engine shouldn't they

so anyway this is 657 685 sub seven

minute nerur green LP time that beats

the C GT but fleo any thoughts about

that same time as the 918 not un

accomplish it

yes beating the C GT barely the C GT is

the greatest car built

though the C

GT ask Walter R so look so so look so

here are the list on Wikipedia anyway of

the top times that have been laid down

by production car so the AMG project one

takes the cake at 629 which is so wild

ridiculous that is 10 seconds faster

than this GT2 RS with the performance

kit on a damp track wow the I mean I

mean that's like in a completely

different League of automobile right um

but the mustang is I guess it's in the

top 10 technically it's down here below

the 918 SP same time basically because a

lot of these cars are actually the same

car with different drivers in different

conditions if you scroll up like GT3

appears a couple times GT3 here appears

twice I guess one's a 992 one's a 991

but the point is lo that that yeah it's

there's radical Sr appears twice now for

Ford has said that they're not done yet

they're G they think they can do better

and they can shave off more time but it

is remarkable that the nurur green is a

gigantic racetrack with a lot of

conditions it can be raining in one part

and dry and sunny in the other yeah it's

huge there are towns within it within it

did you know that I did know that but

barely like you go over Bridges like

there there's like towns in in the nurur

ring you there can you buy house there

yeah you you can't but like a person

could mean they don't let your kind the

I you citiz f calls it the nberg

ring but it yeah but nonetheless it is

impressive that a Mustang is included

amongst to be honest with you a lot of

pores and fastest American car fastest

American car of all time how much faster

is it than the uh Ford GT the one that

they do that multimatic also does Ford

GT oh it's not on here but my Ford GT

did a 752 it took a minute off holy crap

what what is the next American car on

this

list some sort of Viper ACR Viper did

701 in 17 and apparently that testing

ended in Tire failure resulting in a

crash third attempt testing ended by

Tire failure result crash so in other

words the Viper can do a 701 but only

two laps then the tires fail and you

it's all it needs to do lay down a time

uh yeah that's true now I will say I

don't I respect the Mustang GTD greatly

uh having just found out about it today

but I do not respect any car that loses

to the Aventador svj which which weighs

more than

a bunch of hogs that mean about all of

your cars all of them are slower in fact

the svj has the fourth best lap time

ever

you don't say the kage couldn't really

throw it down in Period dude I'm aren't

you blown away that the svj it's it's

faster than a 911 gt2rs it's faster than

a Radical SR8 LM whatever the hell that

is it's faster than a mg GT black the

svj you understand the svj is the big

boy I know we kind of look I don't want

to say look down on it but like when I

see you think that car as a as

a yeah heavy big fat the beluga whale of

super cars yeah I'm not with that thing

weighs like amazing engine amazing Arrow

great all-wheel drive system and it's on

it was on TR when they did the Hummer EV

they benchmarked the SJ for weight they

were like if we just got to get it

around unfortunately for them they were

twice as heavy but yeah they TR it

wasn't a full R cage and Tra so we don't

accept that as a real time well no we do

just it's like the r cage probably even

added even more weight um right but

nonetheless impressive good for four let

me ask you a question go back to the lap

time list and this is a serious question

I just want you think about it you don't

have to answer okay AMG Mercedes driver

clearly is is Maro Engel Engel yeah okay

he got he did the lap time in the mg1

dam Lamborghini driver is Marco you

think they you think they are you you

think that Maro thinks he's faster

because he doesn't have that extra

letter oh wow maybe maybe the name that

carries the weight they fight about this

no I think the I they think they leave

it on the track all right what's our

last news story is some sort of Tesla

thing yeah didn't look that interesting

we're gonna talk about this for 10

seconds apparently according to a report

from douche buunk uh the Tesla will have

the new one no I'm gonna say it weirdly

on purpose Deutsche Bank um they Tesla

will will be revealing in q1 yeah a sub

$30,000 with tax credit 375 if there is

not a tax credit anymore uh EV it will

apparently be based on an existing

platform and we will believe it when we

see it can I tell you something about

Tesla and affordable vehicles I've been

hearing my whole life that Tesla was

about to release a like when they came

out model 3 there was going to be a 351

never happened when they came out with

Cy truck there was going to be a $60,000

what they do is they announce the

vehicle they announce the price point

this is Tesla's strategy they announce

the vehicle they announce the price

point they come out with more expensive

ones and then quietly they cancel two

years into production the base ones

saying they couldn't make it work this

has happened multiple times y so I don't

I don't buy any also they haven't come

out with a refresh model y yet although

it will come out of soon Jupiter or

whatever they're calling it Jupiter I

don't right Venus I can't

remember they should they really be

coming out with new product lines when

they well the cars the cars are intended

to be timeless so Like the Model S came

out in 12 and it hasn't changed and

people are going to write it and be

like one faft in 16 right listen if my

wife thinks it looks the same then it

looks the same you know what I mean like

like like you and me know it changed

because they put a grill on it or they

took the grill off they took the grill

off whatever that doesn't count yeah

right when when a new doesn't know that

there's an updated model no no yes I do

was nicknamed the it was nicknamed The

Highlands which wasn't actually a thing

we saw it it was wonderful car yeah but

he he I tell tell apart especially the

rear yeah especially the rear does have

different tail I actually what the car a

little different the car's off what if

the cars doesn't have off is it on they

don't need to be

on fine all right regardless I have a

lot of um I'm holding my breath for this

one because the roader came out in what

year uh they announced that it was n

they announced the road store in the

fall of 19 five years ago that was the

LA Auto Show we were coming home from

the LA Auto Show they announced it five

oh the Valla will be out before for the

road man the Valla and the Tesla

Roadstar are in a race to see which the

funny thing is by the time those cars

come out they're not interested anymore

when the Roadster I I was I did this

video about this the other day when the

Roadster came out was announced it was

th horsepower like sub 2 seconds 60 now

a lot of stuff has a th000 horsepower we

had a Corvette in the office that some

guys brought down on a truck that had

1,000 horsepower right the Tesla

Roadster was like a space age Future car

with a th horsepower dudes are just

bringing cars to us on trucks with a

th000 horsepower now something to think

about for you

yeah he doesn't think about 1,000

horsepower his max is 394 am I right

that's right that's right between 4 and

500 is all the more you need on the road

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rep there was a lot of news this week we

got to move on though to other segments

we got to move on other segments we

cannot talk about the Ferrari Cadillac

thing we'll do it next week other

segments Volkswagen sent us a cease and

desist letter filipo doesn't want to

talk about it we're not going to talk

about it we'll talk about it next week

we got legal things going on here we'll

talk about it next week the season

assist was we'll talk about it next

we'll talk about it next week it had

nothing to do with anything bad we said

like I insulted the atlas crossport on

the Pod last week no season did you

really I forgot about it just like I do

about the atlas before it's called the

crossport okay it really who knows it is

all right you're thinking of sport cross

that's leex we'll talk about the van

next week we had a van on the site SAR

something body kit they told us to take

it down apparently we're not allowed to

discuss it we will next week uh okay

next I want to talk about Consumer

Reports this is a news story but we're

going to talk about it like we're

talking about cars Consumer Reports came

out with their ratings of reliability

which in my opinion are very dull and I

don't care I I used to read every car

review the consumer reports did from

like 2004 to probably 2012 dull and

boring you repeat yourself we'll move

on Kell supris yeah can you pull up the

list uh consum reports comes out with

this list we I I it's is unbelievable

they say that the rivan is the least

reliable brand before we get into this

can I talk can I say something about

Consumer Reports yeah they're going to

Conneticut they so they're actually

based in Yonkers New York but they do

have a test track in Connecticut in a

town called East hatam where I once

lived okay that's not anyway so they

announced this and rivan is the lowest

of all the reliable cars go down to the

very bottom there's rivan hanging out

with Cadillac dude I'll tell you

something where where's Ram why are

there only 22 Brands I want Ram we Ram

would be so far it's off the list agreed

um actually you you'll not the no FCA

brand except for Jeep is on the they

don't do FCA Consumer Reports decided

years ago to just stop doing FCA you

think of when they renamed Stan and not

FCA um here here's my issue with this

yeah I love Consumer Reports generally

but a few years ago maybe 10 now um they

they started to really include

technology and a complaints about the

incar technology and that meant that for

a long time Lexus was dinged pretty

badly and down because it was bad right

so like it it's changed a little bit

from like will my car break down to is

the infotainment easy to use right

reports used to send surveys to owners

of the cars and after two or three years

they'd get data I agree with you a lot

of people Consumer Report C type people

probably don't understand or like

rivan's technology it might be bad a lot

of the rivian screens have some issues

the type of people who buy rivan are

happy to be guinea pigs and have their

car break a little bit just to be like

the

first and like their big complaint might

be about the tech or like the screen

freezing whatever which is a problem but

that's very different than my car breaks

down car stranded me it has failed to

transport me which is the primary

function of a vehicle which is why I I

like I think about these a little bit

differently than I once did once I added

that because it does it like I as a

consumer care less about like technology

reliability looking at Subaru and I'm

like aren those Transmissions

problematic no Subaru's got it all

figured out starlink no the ascent's

good now there there was a couple couple

years of ascent where you were driving

on the freeway and it would it would

stop and then catch on fire

simultaneously and if you were still in

the car after the fire started then

little men would come out of the cargo

area and beat you to death that was it

was only a two-year problem okay we're

good also it was only a twoyear problem

I questionless I mean like Land Rover is

not on here they don't have they don't

there's not a lot of Brands Mercedes I

find the whole thing to be questionable

I like there's truth to this and this is

also where I would look for like will my

mother-in-law have a with her car right

and you wouldn't get your mother-in-law

into a rivan I'll tell you that right

now

but she and and her husband said

something about looking at Land Rovers

and what ises your mother-in-law drive

at the moment sub Outback sub Outback

and she number one she's talking about

Land Rover okay we're not thing Ken give

us your topic which is about Maserati

and I love it I love it great thought

exercise Maserati as we know noted Bad

Company yes make some can we just go to

their website I don't even know what

they sell anymore the the gala the Le

and the and I saw G the other day on the

road that is just like

a is canell quatra is canc is cancel

lante is cancelled in in in an age where

SUVs re Supreme is this there this is it

can you go to models on the top left

mc20 oh it's there in an age where SUV's

R Supreme Maserati

they but only leftovers they're not

selling it anymore it's not new the

quadr P same they're not there's not a

new one in an age where SUVs are

everything Maserati somehow managed to

to like Miss on an SUV and they had to

cancel it name an SUV that's been canell

like it's insane right is the mc20 oh

okay is the is TR is the convertible

don't do that you got to do it GT so any

I have three cars so the question your

question is my question is the brand is

fledgling well they're really struggling

here we'll say I think their brand

Equity is low um well so my question is

is it's a fact not an opinion what would

you do to fix Maserati there's only one

real option if you're and receiver ship

I I would just close it down close it

not gonna lie like I mean like if you're

still an which owns maati you have this

and Alpa Romeo which

sells a car the one that's also Dodge is

also the G masera has stronger brand

Equity than Alpha Romeo in this country

no you're wrong there is Maserati has a

real future it's just not being managed

particular well what I would do I would

really start to think about what I would

want to do about all these Brands I

would you got to consolidate I would I

would have an Everyman brand like

Chevrolet I would have maybe Alpha be

the luxury brand and maybe Maserati be a

higher tier sports car brand and that's

it just those three yeah and no more

Chrysler or Dodge or ramp whatever you

want combine those into one brand it

probably can't be called Dodge because

it has some difficult name recognition

then again you can't come out with a

Chrysler Ram they've probably had these

conversations but the point is that's CU

they split off ram from Dodge for God

knows what reason that was really a bad

idea the good news is they're all sold

at the same dealership so it never

mattered to anybody and nobody took the

time to learn it but um Maserati what

would you make like the mc20 has not had

the response offro SUV AB for their

luxury Performance Brand yes I think G

wagon you ever heard of the G wagon do

you know about the G it's square and

boxy and they're sold out for 77 years

the um I think that I no there's

something to that I think I in my

opinion I think that Maserati should

kind of do this is a watch analogy that

you might not get oh boy it's they

should do they should be like the tutor

to Rolex Rolex has a subsidiary brand

that was called tutor and they for a

long time were they were referred to as

the poor men's Rolex everybody wanted

Rolex but tutor now has May started

making more Tulie watches that

enthusiasts like myself actually want to

own and they have been tremendously

successful and you can't get a Rolex in

the same way that you can't it's not

easy to get a Ferrari even if you have

the money you have to be on a list and

you have to do all this stuff I think

they should build stuff that like people

would actually want to buy and that

Ferrari refuses to build so my opinion

like if they want to do a if they want

to stay sporty and build a sports car

fine give it a manual transmission make

it mid- engine make it something

interesting that the brand the main

brand Equity is with non-enthusiasts

yeah like care about but like you go to

a person on the street they're like oh

what a cool luxury car car rebuilding

this brand with en iast would take

Herculean effort they've lost they're

clearly trying the mc20 was a clear try

it's a wonderful car but they don't they

don't sell when they do it's for you

know two-thirds of MSRP with 10 miles on

it yeah resell has been tough um but I

think that enthusiasts are not the

answer the Maserati brand is flashy

among regular people and enthusiasts

have long ago kind of started to view it

as a joke yeah and not kind of started

like when the gal came out and almost

everyone I see is a rental car

that was you had it too especially the

like it was surprisingly good it is too

expensive yeah I I agree with you Doug

that it's not I that it's not an

enthusiest brand they don't have no

enthusist cred so they got to just go

for like luxury but there's no brand

that's doing that that successfully

Mercedes maybe but they're struggling no

br's doing luxury you know about Lexus

you know about Aura Aura is killing it

right now luxury Rolls-Royce exists

different level like jaguar is not not

doing well well no but

a whole other thing right now no I'm not

to call startup brand but like jaguar is

not doing well jice is not doing well uh

who else has tried to go what about

Mercedes-Benz BMW and Audi and Lexus so

is that where you would put this because

you kind of implied that Alpha Romeo

would be in that category I know but

what can you do you have to put it there

you can't actually make Maserati an

expensive brand the cars don't sell to

people who have a lot of money they sell

the people have some money to be fair

Hyundai and Kia have existed by having

very similar shared product lines yeah

so like you could have an alfha Romeo

and a Maserati brand that are Al don't

think there's I don't think the luxury I

don't think there's enough daylight

there that they're ital they're both

Italian they neither of them have great

niches alred could go Enthusiast I don't

yeah it could go Enthusiast maybe that's

the maybe maybe you Alpha into the

Enthusiast brand you give them a car

like the mc20 and you send the G and

stuff to to Maserati the gala is too

sporty you they need to go more comfor

right that would that would go to Alpha

and and you you do like a three row for

Maserati and you do like luxury vehicles

for Maserati and maybe that's where

you'd go with it can you scroll down on

this list of vehicles what is at the

bottom GT2

theore that's the electric Gran Turismo

thank you so that's the thing they claim

to have 28 models but they actually have

three they just lied the old trick

that's it that's interesting Alpha would

suit the Enthusiast brand better I would

argue though that just having talked

this through you can't actually do this

9 pres the only G that they have sale9

you can buy it on our site for literally

10% of that the problem the problem is

now that we've talked this through I I

really don't think there's room for

alfha Maserati I think you make Maserati

sort of an Enthusiast luxury brand like

a BMW and go that direction and keep

Chrysler as the Everyman brand or Dodge

and that's it that's all you do that's

it and G I think Alpha has more cred

than that's wrong on levels that it's

actually physically difficult for me to

explain to I do see more GBL than I do

car enthusiasts who like brown diesel

station wagons yes that's true to

regular people you walk down the road

and you're like Maserati people like

damn Maserati think you could

keep we should talk I do not thing about

Genesis you were brand is better dude

look what Ford did when I was a kid Ford

had Ford Lincoln Mercury Jaguar Land

Rover Aston Martin Volvo yep you're

missing a few I probably am right and

you know what they trim it down to Ford

and Lincoln that's it and they really

should have trimmed it further oh he

doesn't want Lincoln I love Lincoln I'm

I'm legitimately saddened when I think

about how poorly Lincoln sell I think

that their SUV lineup is fantastic yeah

I wish they had put more investment into

the Lincoln brand they could

legitimately compete if they tried like

GM has been trying with Cadillac for a

long time Lincoln tries the Lincoln

products are good yeah they are remember

the coach door yeah yeah that was

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the deal we got a sapphire on this side

this a lucid air Sapphire which there's

not been any public auction results that

I've seen for a lucid air Sapphire

I have been defending this card to no

end internally among co-workers cool and

people don't get just how cool it is and

I find that frustrating you know what

though phah made a point I was on his

pod yesterday yeah when does that come

out I don't know he made a good point

though about this and all the other ones

the super fast one and the non-s super

fast one when you're driving them yeah

same they're the same but you would know

that you have 1,234 H you would know but

like okay oh you don't so you drive the

850 horsepower one and you're like way

behind I know but it's just it's cool

like like his point was like power is

cool but it's cool his point was like a

V6 Charger versus a Hellcat like you

drive those around it's different at all

like everywhere you can feel it you can

hear it that's not isn't the sapphire

kind of different isn't there didn't you

drive like the suspension setup is it is

the sapphire is a tremendously

exceptional car but I thought that about

the the dream Edition that I drove also

sorry dream Edition or dream performance

because we discovered last week that

there's about 150 horsepower difference

I had a gold one I had a gold one both I

went up to their to their facility in

the bay I drove a gold one around yeah

that's what I remember performance no uh

was it a,1 horsepower or was it 97 it

was gold does that help you're proving

his point it doesn't make a difference I

think truly though it is Prov Point like

they're all these are all amazing cars

and yes the sapphire is the coolest of

cool and it has better suspension and

like do d it's better it's just cool

though I want people to recognize and

know that it's cool now unfortunately

everybody walking by in the street will

just think that you have a $700 a month

leas special but you will know that you

have a 1,234 horsep I agree that it's

totally cool it is an amazing car it was

awesome to drive I think that about

basically all Lucid I think they are

Bargains I'm not sure what happens to

the company Long Term but they are

incredibly good nice Lu gravity is not

the best looking SUV in the world oh wow

anti-gravity over here nice Ken think

about it this way your M5 has you think

it's

powerful multiply that horsepower by

three bring that elongate your M and and

that that ADD 52 more hor the difference

is when I drive my car I know it's

special that's the difference I don't

need to that's an interesting point this

car has the same level of visual

distinction from a regular Lucid yeah

like wheels and and probably more say

this the M5 when you see the M5 and a

540 driving on the road for instance

like you can tell like the whole stance

is different you can sort of tell this I

will say in terms of car electric cars

that like an Enthusiast would look at

and say wow this is one I would that's

the thing like the M like the M5 was

louder than the 540 it had you know dual

exhaust and itbs yeah the throttle

response let's not even get into that it

was a different experience to drive it

though and it also had a it wasn't just

the power it was the handling was better

that's true in this too you have is this

is electric and it's just like it's

already fast as hell as it is so like it

really performance is not well it is

cool it is interesting and it will be

interesting to see what it brings we not

it MP G50 okay pull up uh C8 Corvettes

because this is I've started no this too

I want to talk about some cheapies cars

that have gotten cheap there there was a

long time where cars weren't cheap

they're back go down we've been selling

C8 Corvettes not the Z6 but regular C8

Corvett in the low 50s we had one that

r& in the high 40s these cars are

affable and you know it's interesting

they make a ton of them you see them

everywhere they're not as special as

they were when they came out but for

like two solid years these red sticker

or above also the performance level that

this car offers at this number is if

you're a cheaper modern mid- engine car

like this is not just a

Corvette yeah Alpha Romeo 4C barely

cheaper yeah I know like this is an

insane amount of Performance BMW I3 oh

interesting is I would call rear engine

all calm down is this engine in the rear

I don't know who no one knows rear man

that's impressive this this person put

on 60,000 miles on in four years the

reality is that prices are going down

because people have driven lot in last

and they're getting older I mean this is

a this is now a 45y old car C8 honestly

is due for a refresh which is hard to

believe like it's getting that's a good

point it's already getting there when we

still think of it as the new Corvette

that's how I always tell people about

still looks great honestly but damn it

is a total bargain when you think about

the performance level 500 horse with

dual clutch it is fast it looks some

people love how it looks some people

don't it's certainly striking MH it

looks modern it looks like a exotic

sports car it looks like an exotic

sports car in a way that Corvette didn't

sense the C2 right I mean it's cool and

it's these things get in the 50s to 40s

these are going to follow Corvette

they're appreciating less than regular

Corvettes but they're going to get there

are they yeah they are you'll be able to

pick one up for 26 yeah he won't yeah no

he'll be like you know in three years

he'd be 22 right exactly

what do you expect um on the subject of

cheap cars because that's a great one

look up Focus RS please you know about

this I've been watching it why are you

why AR you bu I've thought about it you

you see this Canon yeah I

grand for 20 grand that is so cool for

20 G blue one especially to me a 20

grand Focus performance focus is an st

which is probably now a $99,000 car like

this is this was like the king car when

I when this came out it was like they're

bringing the RS to America this is so

cool so amazing it was so fast it looked

and by the way this isn't even some

crappy horribly modded off color stupid

one is the one that is the one this is

it if I wanted one and I do I would get

this almost 100,000 miles they're

getting driven for sure but go back it

it wasn't an outlier sale they're all

around this that means the head gasket

has been replaced 20,000 22,000 these

are both one-owner cars the nicest ones

are the 30s the nicest ones are in the

low 30s but you can get for low 20s to

buy you a Focus RS this is a fast fun do

we even need the STI anymore we got this

I've always for so cool why' you get one

of these dve run for 20 G's and that n i

i i can't would think you're so cool I

he would hat it like You' like me in an

S-Class too so and a kayen tursky both

also very cool but no I have always

thought the and they're incredible to

drive even the St also is so much fun to

drive I cannot believe that they're

finally finally getting like those are

20 C8 Corvettes are 50 and new body S

Class is almost are 165 for for 40 Grand

you could buy a focus and a new body a

new body S Class 40 GS will put you in a

that's a two-car solution for 40,000 us

I can't think anything better leg I I

really do want like you know when they

killed this car off I was so sad because

like you said finally we got an RS and

they were selling they sold well people

loved them and Enthusiast beloved by

journalists and enthusiasts alike and

they sold them and then Ford was like

nah well deed not to bring the fogus at

all or the fiesta at all to the US which

is why they killed it y but it's it's

just such a shame I wish that had kept

going because we finally they we had

next one was even better looking I know

like they K I wish they hadn't but

nonetheless also by but it's okay

because you can still get one of these

and they're really enjoyable cars this

one this one down here 30,000 mile

one-owner car sold for 255 three years

ago I sold a base Ford Focus hashack

with a stick with 110,000 miles for six

grand how long till we get to these

these won those won't go down to that

level but these but wsti do indicate

where these will go which means they'll

go into the mid te to low te low like 12

Grand you're right STS are 10 SS or 10

that's the bargainist car if you're

watching this right now and you don't

already have a Focus ST go honestly I

agree with that everybody should I get

for 10 grand that's fun and my answer is

often like honestly 10 grand if that's

all your budget is you should really be

focused on just trying to find a normal

rational reliable car

disagree go back I want an st I want oh

my god well that's not the real

no there you go CX4 this is a $9,500

car this is this is an amazing I also

that's post fael I would have spent n

Grand no accidents also 103,000 miles I

love driving Focus SDS the steering is

so quick would you rather have a Mark 7

GTI or a focus SD they're the same price

Focus unquestionable they were stick

only they had the cool wheels and it

just felt like some European thing we

weren't supposed to get proven by the

fact that they gave it to us for a few

years then they pulled it right back

yeah exactly my friend Steven had one

and it was so much fun that dve they

were also a lot more powerful than the

Mark 7 GTI didn't these have 252 that's

right I think that's right yeah yeah

number yeah the GTI had 200 or 220 who

knows who knows not 2 agreed

agreed and for I loved my base score

pack you floored in this thing and it

went straight even though I'm telling

you this was fast that train that engine

was so it was like it felt like a V6 the

one or the St the St yeah I can't oh man

what are Fiesta STS uh the same price

it's very annoying I would actually make

the argument though that the fiesta is

just as fun get one of these in more I

just told you to buy the focus okay

there's lot the fiesta is known to be a

better driver's car but the focus SC you

can actually drive places and it's much

faster and it's legitimately much more I

legitimately drove 50,000 miles in a

regular focus hasback and it was

comfortable it was great on the

highway at the same price level I don't

know which one I would P incredibly

fastes are more expensive for now on

anyone who comes to me saying they got

10 grand to buy a car and what should I

get the answer will 100% of the time be

Focus ST you know how Miata is always

the answer Noe Focus ST is I'm King with

my answer which is last Vol V60 and if

you got 20 grand V60 yeah they're like

eight to 12 why does he do this to

because he's just and but if you have

2025 and Ford Focus RS

this is a manual hot hatch Volvo V6 is

like a car you drive to your

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you nice first question from Sam's

Panamera if Kim Jong-un made you his

successor Which single car model would

you force every North Korean citizen to

drive this was the highest upvoted

question I haven't often thought about

what I would force my

impoverished population to drive

obviously a Cura but so I think question

how many like what what can you import

many many many of well that's the thing

so here's what you got to think to

yourself what deal could you strike you

know what like if I went to a cira was

like Hey look no that the answer clear

Nissan Sentra yeah it's G be niss alliss

why because they desperate I'm talking

about how could they they scratch my

back ice cre like if I went to a cure

and said hey I'll give you some uh you

get NSX for yourself maybe you give me

10 12 nsx's or if I went to stellantis

and said hey look I'll buy Dodge Hornets

I'll do it no one else will but will

I'll buy 100,000 of them for my

impoverished people but you got to make

me a night vision 456 estate you you go

go to you obviously go to Alpha you get

the tonali which is the same car and

then you say that all your positions

Drive alphas and then you get an AC for

yourself yeah an 8C if I was If I Was A

desperate an 8C is not a hard buy it's

like they're like 200 and they're pretty

available around every Vision

456 um Venice yeah Venice let's be clear

I want plebeian crap or or a sedan a

fordor which by the way was also called

the Venice did you know that so there

was it was the 456 Venice they come out

with this oneoff car and they just the

456 Venice and the 456 Venice estate

creative it's an interesting question

because you'd want something that people

could work on and be as reliable you

don't actually want to give them a tonal

because they'll break down and then

what's the point you want to seem like a

benevolent well no just you don't want

to deal with it you know I don't want

anything that I couldn't get something

from the automaker so you're saying you

you want Toyotas I don't want what can

Toyota give me GT1 that's not enough

some people would say the LFA but you're

not into that I don't want no LFA maybe

they put a a manual transmission in it

and make it attractive I would take an

LFA um not possible of course 100,000

cards would they sell in a a week yeah

but I'm doing a oneoff order here I'll

keep the factories running for a week I

I think I buy up every Focus ST around

for your populace yeah why not okay

that's insane remember that guy was

buying all the Broncos on the site and

stuff yeah we thought shipping him maybe

yeah yeah we didn't we didn't look into

it though okay next question from Verity

what happened to Atlantis we had

Atlantis King she she worked with us she

made videos with us we did a complete

rehash of our content and we don't do

the same videos we used to and we kind

of brought it all in physically in

studio lannis lives out of the state and

she worked with us for a couple of

months and we liked her and it was it

was a reasonably good situation but we

changed what we do and that that changed

so Atlanta I mean in a world of content

creators there's kind of always a going

and coming we had Zack clapman do some

content for us too I don't know if

that's going to continue there were

other people weren't there yeah and now

it's gone uh but we love Alanis I still

love alannis I follow her on everything

and I think she does great content I

seriously truly mean that but instead we

have felipo

now next question what is the worst car

that currently cost over $100,000 from

BW Smith we just looked on the Maserati

Maserati that already answered

is more or less overpriced than SL55 AMG

no dude that g was that GI was

1093 they put in a gibl to make it worth

109 Point what could they put

$9,000

Che no disagree I mean

that's yeah yeah that's the answer next

question from JDM fan 345 if you were

all given the money to equivalent to

your car collection would you buy back

all of your cars today or bu different

cars I buy the exact same cars except to

White 4D GT yep well my my car

collection is worth conservatively yeah

but you're the only one of us who

answers that you would buy different

cars if both of your cars were gone

today you'd buy completely different

cars I sometimes daydream about a tree

falling on the car because then it would

force him to make a decision I

specifically parking trees it would

allow me to make a decision it would

force him for once in his life to I make

a decision Conant but I I can't justify

the transaction costs and we went up to

Rancho Santa Fe that was eye opening for

me we had an hour to pick cars and at

minute 56 me and you had three of the

four picked and we were upset that we

had made made so many choices and he's

sitting there like i s by my choices by

the way I I had a great

x550e I had a

997.2 uh and I had some other card I

remember but it was great we both had

gt3s he had a Bentley I yeah I know I

had a 997 GT3 I had a Bentley and he's

over here like so anyway the point is

fipo doesn't know how to make choices

but he would buy different cars I would

it's more that I don't want I can't

justify changing cars but I would choose

different cars of given the

opportunity uh sorry if given the

requirements you know you can sell it

and another individual will give you

money and therefore you have to deal

with a bunch of there's a bunch of of

work asso with that and I like I like

all of my cars you we run an auction I

would just want a different experience

if I were buying something again yeah so

get a different experience get a

different experience and here then you

say nah because you just it's I

like no I like my experience I just

don't want to deal with the changing but

if something else happens and I have no

choice if I have to go out and buy a car

anyways I may as well buy something new

this is the problem with fipo you have

learned it and heard it right here

problem with felipo and by the way kenon

and I both answered yes unequivocally I

wouldn't even consider it if if all them

burned tomorrow I would start to search

for a new k c g for I would have three

days of warning first but then I would

of course there'd be days of warning a

year there'd be a there'd be a morning

period that ends on the car's birthday

oh that's a long time for me because it

just happened now it is but if it

happened in the spring it' only be a

six-month morning period where you took

the bus oh that would be awful okay wait

so can I ask a question okay we were

talking about your sports cards you have

a couple daily drivers yeah I would

still get an alter but would you when

you were waiting for your Defender you

bought a car for a year yeah would you

would you do the same thing of like I I

I want to find the right Sequoia I want

to find the right alter no the right

sequa I we already know what it is

pretty easy you could negotiate a deal

by zero

off you you wouldn't be on the lookout

for specific spec you would just buy the

suit no i' get another white one what if

there the one for sale there is they're

more common now because there's a couple

more model years that have happened uh

free 450 all train same deal I might

look for a new one but probably not I

want to I want to order my new one

through my buddy Air at mercedesbenz at

Tula shout out to air okay but I'm not

ready yet Alec Mets 2011 given the

opportunity to drive it would you fly

overseas to review the Gordon marray t50

no uh next question that's just

doesn't K is bad at me about all right

it is yell at me I'll take it you

remember in the 1990s McLaren introduced

a car called the F1 and you probably

looked at him been like oh Yan it

doesn't say Ferrari on it and you would

have turned down that opportunity and

you'd look like a complete numpty and

here we

are it's the the designer of the F1 has

built another car car with one of the

most exciting natural aspirated engine

currently for sale nah now for him

admittedly Doug does not like to travel

he wouldn't go to Los Angeles to review

this I don't think you go you go to La

for a t50 you wouldn't go like you go to

Phoenix uh I'd go to Phoenix if Kenan

came with me oh please I'll go but he's

not allowed to come to the car review

he's only like keeping me company in the

hotel D never

mind god um look my thing about the T 50

is I just there's so many modern hyper

cars and it's yeah but this one has a

manual and it's an nav2 it's what we

want valkyrie's got an na12 yeah and

it's a tip this is a six-speed manual I

got this count is a manual this one like

I don't what's what's new it's different

it look Gordon muray made that's the

point it's the point is that it takes

that analog to its final conclusion I

just they're touting it like it's the

greatest thing in the world it's a

little weird looking to be honest and

it's weird be honest it's also a little

like McLaren F1 derivative like oh you

like that one here's this one it looks

the same it has a fan on the back there

are concessions that had to be made at

the time of Nam it after Gordon Murray

because you know who that is it's like

well it's his company yeah but let you

saying Enzo Ferrari was driv because he

named all those cars after let me tell

you something there's no there's nobody

named Ram all right sometimes you just

name a company because because that's

what you're trying to you know

accomplish not you're not naming it

after yourself I mean there was a guy

named DOD Chrysler you yeah misses the

point okay I don't know I just haven't

got and then there's a dot in the name I

know that's silly but like it really is

a car that it seems like they have come

out with to try to appeal to these geeky

car people that's you you are a geeky

car person that that's us that's what we

do this is you will drive it one day and

then just like all these other CS you

been moan driving you drive it's like

it's the greatest thing I've ever driven

the P1 lante you thought oh it's so

stupid I have to get in a raise cot you

came back would not shut up about it it

will be the same thing with the t50 you

mark my words I'll put this day on my

calendar too oh you can't but it's you

couldn't get one if you wanted to I

think what do they cost think started it

I want to say it was like I want to say

it was like two and a half as start so

this is another problem 2.8 million why

would I spend 2.8 on a car from an un

from a new brand that's like der because

the car it's derivative of is 20 yeah

but I could get an F50 for 2.8 I could I

could call up a I could call him Assad

today he's in he's in he's in Moscow

to the ground exist no you cannot get an

F50 for 2.8 that's outrageous and

ridiculous you they sell low 3es that is

that 2.8 I didn't think so it's a couple

$1,000 my point starts at 2.8 you said

there probably you got to and and then

you got to put on all these options that

like start there you have to get theed

seats because theed seats are really

quiet they look like and you got to get

the stitching on the steering

whe so just get in thetion silver that's

not true that's not true as you know

four options and most of them were

silver get in that car and shift your

own Gears and listen to the V12 that

sits behind you I just can't get into it

I just I I this is going to be a

controversial opinion that people are

going to hate me for but I just don't

think it's cool I just don't like when I

think about what a cool car is it

doesn't hit me that the GMA t50 the

Gordon marray Academy t50 is cool it

doesn't feel cool it's so it

feelsy having heard it go around the

racetrack it's well maybe I need to get

in they keep telling me that I can't

they're like we get you in a t33 I guess

they're trying to sell those like we

can't get you in a t50 t33 but I I could

I could get a t50 to to drive there's a

few people I think at some point you

will and I look forward to the day that

that happens and you tell me that I was

right and it was May maybe you're right

I I'll take it I take it all back I I'm

into the t50 vaguely I don't know I just

no be true to who yourself you hate it

so disappointed so often by these moned

cars I understand but this has a manual

is that the only thing we're looking for

would I be would I be into the 765 LT if

it had a manual trans 18,000 I think

it's an insane car you get my point

though you get my point it's it's this

is like we talk bemon the analog Driving

Experience in those cars okay that's it

question for you then Mr

t50 suddenly you got three mil what are

you buying

50 okay what do you buy it after the

F50 a really nice F40 yep what do you

buy after that uh for3 mil GTB you get C

GT get a v get a she GTV GTV 275 oh you

can get a count for a lot L well I'm not

saying you have to spend every penny of

it what the hell that's what I was doing

thinking cars that are worth in around

three cap oh three C well three the F50

would be all yeah okay F50 but after

that you get have 40 then after that

three Mill just keeps happening it's

really for infinite money we're on your

list that's what I'm saying

down is a t50 it ain't it's you for

three for cars that are worth around

that it's probably in the top 10 you're

right that it's not like in the top

three or five interesting but it's up

there that that's what else is is three

Mill like no I can't I don't fit what

like Pagani is $3 million what what K

is3 million uh I don't know anything

about K I wouldn't

even what are you competing against the

Utopia which is also a stick that's

that's true why you talking about Utopia

like you're talking about t50 Gordon

marray Academy why AR you talking about

Utopia Utopia is a stick it's also 3 mil

well why are we talking about Utopia you

got some Pagani anti-bias here you're

just into Gordon marray that's the

problem they're both sticks the because

the Utopia looks exactly like the car

that PR so what they both look

cool fan on the back it's not a natural

aspirated V2 oh for God's sake where's

those Gul po so I can't see them they've

been moved so far hey I don't like turbo

lag and you know what the t50 doesn't

have

give me a break 16,000 you think it

doesn't have lag if you're at the 2,000

Mark you get to 16 you think it just

does that it does it it's it revs

incredibly fast you know nothing you

haven't read any of the I Valkyrie it's

fast but 12,000 RPM takes some time to

get to and by the way they figured out

turbo like they solved that they solved

that in the XJ 220 you think that Pagani

has clocked those turbos to the point

where there's not no lag why don't you

think they have Pagani makes great fire

extinguisher go off on the car on

accident when it was sitting Dr Z and it

was the best car i' ever driven in my

life it was the best in my life yeah Z

came out 25 years ago 30 years ago that

just proves this Utopia should be better

this was not intended to be a 10-minute

question yet here we are well you're

infuriating you know nothing all right

that's the end we have to stop here

because we've gone way way over there's

probably ads all over this podcast which

I apologize for uh and I apologize for

kenon too or maybe for myself I

apologize for your I think people let

get the car let's get the car someone

give us a t t50 Gordon M Academy and

we'll see if I'm right or if you're

right yes please send us one all right

let's do that let's drive the car and

then we'll report all right around it we

can we can all three go in it but could

sit there and look bored on it's one of

them three seaters yeah yeah it is ah

like like the new K would you be into

the speed tail if they had a manual he's

he's not wrong weren ugly look like a is

the tell ride steering wheel still on

the left right in the in the t. board

muray Academy it's on the middle I know

but I I to appeal to the other category

of our listeners can I tell you

something the McLaren speed tail McLaren

speed tail you can charge on a charging

pad I

know can you

charge need it because it's an NA

V12 fair point I would accept a plug in

hybrid if it meant that I could have a

charging pad thank you all for watching

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