The $30,000 Fun Sports Car Era is Over. Has China Already Won the Future of Cars? Ferrari V8s Ranked!
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V8
A V8 engine has eight cylinders that help the car produce a lot of power. It's popular in many sports and muscle cars because it sounds great and accelerates quickly.
Car
Dodge Demon
The Dodge Demon is a super-fast version of the Dodge Challenger, made for racing. It's known for being very powerful and can go from 0 to 60 mph in just a few seconds.
Car
Mazda Miata
The Mazda Miata is a small sports car that is fun to drive and very popular among car lovers. It's known for being light and having great handling on the road.
Car
Scion Frs
The Scion FR-S is a small sports car that was made to be fun to drive. It was popular because it was affordable and had a good balance, which made it enjoyable for people who like to drive fast and take turns.
Car
Subaru BRZ
Car
Toyota Supra
Car
Pontiac Solstice
The Pontiac Solstice is a small sports car that looks cool and is fun to drive. It was made to be affordable but didn't sell as well as other similar cars.
Car
Chrysler Crossfire
The Chrysler Crossfire is a sporty car that was made in the early 2000s. It has a unique look and was built on a platform shared with a Mercedes-Benz car, making it fun to drive.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular sports car that has been around for many years. It's known for being fast and stylish, often compared to the Ford Mustang.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a classic American car that is known for being fast and stylish. It's been around for a long time and is popular among people who love cars, but sometimes its sales can go up and down.
Term
FCA
FCA is a company that used to make cars like Dodge and Jeep. They are now part of a bigger company called Stellantis.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Dodge Challenger is a strong and stylish car that many people enjoy. It was brought back in 2008 and looks like older models, which makes it special.
Term
gasoline powered cars
Gasoline powered cars are cars that run on gasoline, which is a type of fuel. These cars have been around for a long time and are what most people think of when they think of cars.
Term
EVs
EVs stands for electric vehicles, which are cars that run on electricity instead of gasoline. They are becoming more common because they are better for the environment.
Car
Volkswagen ID.3
The Volkswagen ID.3 is a new electric car from Volkswagen. It's designed to be a practical and affordable option for people who want to drive electric instead of using gasoline.
Car
Volkswagen Id4S
The Volkswagen ID.4 is an electric SUV from Volkswagen. It's designed to be spacious and comfortable, making it a good choice for families who want to drive an electric car.
Car
Volkswagen Id Buzz
The Volkswagen ID. Buzz is a new electric minivan that looks like the old VW buses but is made with modern technology. It's designed to be spacious and good for the environment.
Car
Volkswagen Id7
The Volkswagen ID.7 is a new electric car that is designed to be spacious and efficient. It's part of Volkswagen's push to make more electric vehicles for the future.
Car
Xiaomi SU7
The Xiaomi SU7 is an electric SUV made by Xiaomi, a company that usually makes phones and gadgets. It's part of their effort to start making cars, especially electric ones.
Car
Porsche 959S
The Porsche 959 is a famous sports car from the late 1980s. It's known for being very fast and having advanced features for its time, which makes it valuable to collectors today.
Car
BMW iX
The BMW iX is a fully electric vehicle from BMW. It's designed to be smooth and comfortable, with lots of modern technology inside.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a special version of the BMW 3 Series that is designed for high performance. It has a more powerful engine and better handling than the regular 3 Series, making it a favorite among car lovers.
Car
BMW M5
The BMW M5 is a fast and luxurious car that is part of the 5 Series lineup. It's known for having a lot of power and high-tech features.
Car
BMW X3
The BMW X3 is a luxury SUV that offers a comfortable ride and plenty of space for passengers and cargo. It's popular for its stylish design and high-quality features.
Car
Honda Odysseys
The Honda Odyssey is a minivan that is great for families. It has a lot of room for kids and their stuff, making it a popular choice for parents.
Term
high beams
High beams are the bright lights on your car that help you see better at night when there aren't many other cars around.
Term
foot-pounds of torque
Foot-pounds of torque measures how strong an engine is at turning things. Higher numbers mean the engine can do more work, like moving heavy loads or accelerating quickly.
Term
Newton meters
Newton meters are a way to measure how strong something is when it turns. In cars, it tells us how powerful the engine or motor is at making the wheels turn.
Brand
Yugo
Yugo was a car brand from Eastern Europe that made very inexpensive cars. They became famous in the U.S. for not being very reliable, and the company eventually went out of business.
Car
Hyundai Ioniq 5
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a new electric car that looks modern and has a lot of space inside. It's designed to be eco-friendly and has many cool tech features.
Car
Volkswagen Golf GTI
The Volkswagen GTI is a sporty version of the regular Volkswagen Golf. It's known for being fun to drive and has a powerful engine, making it popular among car fans.
Car
Chevrolet Tahoe
The Chevrolet Tahoe is a big SUV that can carry a lot of people and stuff. It's great for families and trips because it has plenty of space and can pull trailers if needed.
Car
Lamborghini Sterrato
The Lamborghini Sterrato is a special version of a Lamborghini sports car made for driving on rough roads and off-road. It has features that help it perform better in those conditions while still being very fast and stylish.
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Lamborghini Huracán Sterrato
The Lamborghini Huracán Sterrato is a special version of the Huracán that can be driven on rough terrain. It has features that help it handle off-road conditions better than regular sports cars.
Car
Stelvio Quadrifoglio
The Stelvio Quadrifoglio is a fast and sporty SUV made by Alfa Romeo. It's built for people who want both performance and utility in their vehicle.
Term
tire chains
Tire chains are like metal straps that you put on your car's tires to help it grip the road better in snowy or icy conditions.
Part
side skirt
A side skirt is a part of a car that goes along the bottom sides. It helps the car move through the air better and can make it look cooler.
Car
Audi A8
The Audi A8 is a big, fancy car that is designed for comfort and high-tech features. It's one of Audi's top models and is known for being very luxurious.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Sclass
The Mercedes-Benz S-Class is a very fancy car that is known for being super comfortable and full of high-tech features. It's often seen as one of the best luxury cars you can buy.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Aclass
The Mercedes-Benz A-Class is a small luxury car that is stylish and packed with technology. It's a good option for people who want a fancy car without going for a bigger model.
Car
Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a small, very light sports car that is designed to be super fun to drive. It doesn't have a lot of extra features, but it makes up for that with great handling and speed.
Car
Genesis G90
The Genesis G90 is a fancy car made by Hyundai that aims to compete with other luxury brands. It offers a lot of comfort and high-tech features for a lower price than some competitors.
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BMW E28
The BMW 5 Series is a luxury car that is known for being comfortable and fun to drive. It's a popular choice for people who want a mix of style and performance.
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Audi RS4
The Audi RS4 is a fast and sporty version of the regular Audi A4. It's loved by car fans because it can be used every day while still being really fun to drive.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy SUV that drives like a sports car. It's known for being powerful and comfortable, making it a popular choice for people who want luxury and performance.
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Porsche 911 Turbo S
The Porsche 911 Turbo S is a super-fast version of the 911 sports car, known for its powerful engine and luxury features. It's one of the best-performing cars you can buy.
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Porsche 911S
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time. It's known for being fast and fun to drive, and many people love its unique shape.
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Porsche Boxster
The Porsche Boxster is a small convertible sports car that is fun to drive with the top down. It's known for being a bit more affordable than other Porsches while still offering great performance.
Car
Aston Vantage V8
The Aston Martin V8 Vantage is a beautiful sports car that is fast and luxurious. It's known for its stylish looks and powerful engine, making it a dream car for many.
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Delorean DMC-12
The DeLorean DMC-12 is a unique car known for its cool doors that open upwards. It became famous because of its appearance in movies, even though it had a tough time being produced.
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Jaguar Xk
The Jaguar XK is a stylish sports car that is known for being fast and luxurious. It has a classic look and is fun to drive, making it popular among car lovers.
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Land Range Rovers
The Land Rover Range Rover is a high-end SUV that can handle tough terrains while providing a lot of comfort inside. It's popular among people who want a mix of luxury and adventure.
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Buick Grand National
The Buick Grand National is a fast car from the 1980s that is known for its cool black look and powerful engine. It's become a classic that many car fans admire.
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Buick GNX
The Buick GNX is a special version of the Grand National that was made in very limited numbers. It's known for being even faster and is highly prized by collectors.
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Porsche 718 Cayman GT4
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a super sporty car that is designed for people who love to drive fast. It has a powerful engine and is built for great handling on the road or track.
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Ferrari F430
The Ferrari F430 is a super-fast sports car made by Ferrari that is known for its beautiful design and powerful engine. It's a dream car for many people who love fast cars.
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Ferrari F355
The Ferrari F355 is a fast sports car made by Ferrari that is loved for its looks and how well it drives. It's considered one of the best Ferraris by many car fans.
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Subaru 360S
The Subaru 360 is a tiny car that was made a long time ago and is known for being very economical. It was popular in Japan for city driving because it was small and easy to park.
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Ford Contour
The Ford Contour is a small car that was made to be sporty and fun to drive. It was popular for being affordable and practical for everyday use.
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In the interview last week that he thought there was a market for an entry-level sub-30k-ish sports car. He also said there was a market for a high-end sports car by Dodge, which we all could understand what that would be. Yeah, but the cheap Dodge sports car. Yeah, I was surprised to see this. It wasn't like a publicly announced thing. It was an interview, and he was like, oh, I can see a market for it. I can't. I think that Stellantis, though, is in a situation where they're kind of out from under
cold leadership, and new leadership is trying to either win back old people, or make a wave, make a splash. You know how a kid home alone for the first time, just the ice cream.
The boring accountant parents are gone. What are you gone? You want V8s again, and you want. And the first reported that they said V8s are coming back. And today we're reporting this with you. There is a market. By the way, this is a concept car from Dodge 2007 Dodge Demon. I think this could come today.
And you know who would buy. No, but there's kind of a market. There's not like Mazda has created a market, but the Miata has 35 years of reputation. It has tremendous dynamics, which I'm not sure Chrysler. And even then, the Miata sales are not what they used to be. And this current generation Miata has been on sale for 10 years.
Absolutely. Without a redesign, because it's not probably not cost effective to redesign every other sports car that comes out is paired up. Yeah. You know, the BRZ and the FRS and the et cetera, et cetera, the Supra and the support. And the next super will apparently be a collaboration with Mazda, apparently, something called Dodge. I heard. I get why they're saying some of these things, right? If you want to rebuild your brand.
With enthusiasts, especially because they're the publications that are covering you as a brand that only sells computers. And so you want to kind of throw them a bone here and there. I also see why it could be successful, not in sales, but in imaging, right? Maybe, but who buys that?
It won't. That's the thing. He just wouldn't. Who want the solstice sky didn't sell well. No, I want to dodge build one sports car. And you alluded to it before. It has a V10 and a manual and it's named after another snake. That's what I want them to build.
They tried, you know, and they tried, you know, they had that car. And then they canceled it. And then they brought it back. And that second time they tried to do well. Yeah.
And so I have a hard time believing, honestly, in this day and age, that a man, like a sports car at this price point is like a really a big. I would like it to be. It'd be cool. I don't see the FRS as like a massive seller, whatever it's called now. You know what it sounds like to me? A great used car. That's what it sounds like. It doesn't sound like something that enthusiasts will want to buy.
Well, at that price point, I think it would, but I honestly have a hard time believing that they could really actually hit that price point and still be profitable and still selling any sort of volume. I mean, this is, you know, this is a company that's not exactly doing the best.
We have a crossfire park behind the X-3. Yeah, the crossfire was relatively successful. The price point was completely successful. They sold, they sold few. No, they sold a ton. I wrote it down. They sold like 100,000 or 200,000. All right. Well, never was a global car.
What? They sold them in Europe. No, they sold the crossfire globally. It was a global car. They were, they were sold in Europe and everywhere.
So could this that 76,000 crossfires over a decade, over five years? Wow. Pretty good. Maybe there is a market. I wrote right hand drive crossfires.
Some would argue that we had a dog that should drive SRT 6 crossfires. But only 284 of them. Some would argue the dogs should build. I don't know any cars.
Any SUVs, any anything would make more sense to platform share and try to figure out better ways to do this. I'll take this. Maybe even merged with Mercedes-Benz.
Okay, give us our next news. Anyway, this is positive possibility. We'll see what happens. I have a hard time believing it.
As do I. Next story, Camaro, Chevy Camaro.
GM authority, which is a authority on GM products, as it were reported. And I was reading between the lines on their reporting.
The reporting is that the next generation Camaro is badly beaten, but not dead. However, when I read the quotes in the article, it sounds like it's dead.
Their contract with the factory workers requires and build a car in Canada. It doesn't sound like it's going to they see a business case for the next generation.
They have said that this generation, they have either said or leaked that this generation hasn't necessarily sold like they were hoping it would.
We already are hearing Mustang sales are not really great. We heard yesterday Z sales are not really great.
And amazing dodges sitting here going. Yeah, right. Maybe we'll do two sports cars once again, FCA, maybe not the best business decisions.
It's shame. It'd be a shame if it goes away. The Mustang became an electric crossover. Perhaps the Camaro will meet a similar fate. Would it be a shame if it left?
Maybe not. I mean, the Camaro has we they've given us a great run with the car.
Which is which was has been redesigned, but the same basic shapes that came out in oh nine.
And that was a great period. Like oh nine to now has been several amazing Camaro models, some amazing high performance versions.
Fantastic how we're trying to deal with it.
011 LE is one of those impressive cars. There have been some great cars to come out of this Camaro lineup.
And if the market doesn't want it right now, maybe it goes away and maybe it comes back at some point in the future.
Like the Z always did be sad, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Are we worried about what's going to happen to the like enthusiast class at Hertz or enterprise or any rental car center?
Because right now it's Mustangs and Camaro's exclusively. What is the product? What do they go to?
Mocky. I'm still a must get up. Sir, you get a Mustang. Brilliant. Yeah.
You love that. You love leaning into that Mustang Mocky controversy. Maybe they'll sell they'll rent out $30,000 and do this car.
Right. That's what it would be anyway. So we'll see you next time Camaro, but I am not holding my breath on sports cars.
It's actually funny because in the last couple of pods, we've talked about how the EV is kind of not really as certain as it once was and gas cars
are making a comeback and V8s are making a comeback. But the gas cars that are sticking around aren't the ones we necessarily want.
No, that's an interesting prediction. The second gen Camaro came out in 15.
Yeah, but the redesign retro one came out no nine. But that's what I was saying. 10 years.
Yeah, they got along. Maybe it's a little dated, but I don't think I read it.
It's definitely time to think about the next thing, although the challenger did well and it came out no eight.
Here's a question. Why did they never do a convertible challenger?
I don't know. I've seen the conversions and they look the conversion. They look good.
They did convertibles back in the day. It was obvious. 4 a.m. Chevy both had convertibles of their cars.
The car then was in production for 16 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money.
You know why? Because it's a purest precision. They didn't want extra weight.
No, that's right. Yeah, structural rigidity.
All right. Give us the next news story, please.
Oh, Volkswagen.
Yes. So Volkswagen has said Volkswagen Audi both have said that like a lot of manufacturers
we've discussed recently, they are going to be sticking with gasoline powered cars,
kill, surprise. But what does that mean?
It means that they're not there. They will be doing EVs, but they're kind of pushing a lot of that development
down the road to release those miles. They saw sales decreases of two points Volkswagen.
So all sales decreases of two point seven percent last year.
Audi was even more sharp. They declined by some point eight percent.
So they they're feeling it too that people just aren't buying.
They don't have any cars.
When the federal government as a penalty made a Volkswagen make electric cars.
Yup. Yup. And electrify my the tables.
Because they killed people.
And then and then they say the government said,
all right, you got to make electric cars now. But sort of to work how I remember it.
That's what's about it.
But to get around the basically what they're doing is they're going to be investing more money into
facelifts of car malls that exist. They're not really developing new internal combustion models
necessarily, but they're going to kind of push this down the road a little bit and see what happens.
It sounds like more of a wait and see plan than a we're sure it is going to happen.
And I think that it's probably the right idea.
I think that is the right idea. I suspect because every I mean,
Lamborghini pushed they said they're going to they pushed it down the road,
but they did push it down the road. They they know that's where it's going.
But I think we all know that's coming. It's a 93.
Yeah. What a cool car. Here's the thing driving around Europe last summer.
You see trillions of ID3s, some ID4s, a bunch of ID buzzes,
short ones, all the German plates, but nevertheless they've had success.
Does the case were like Europe, which is where their base has adopted these cars pretty nicely,
but nowhere else has. And in the US, they only saw the ID4 and ID buzz.
They said they're not bringing the ID7 here.
Asia doesn't buy these.
Or not volks maybe through some joint partnership.
You know, I got to tell you, one of the comments we always get,
we always get incredibly nasty comments whenever we talk about electric cars that
don't think get that electric cars or they suck and we want gas.
Let it let the economy sort it out. Let capitalism sort it out is what they often say.
If capitalism were to sort this out, China would win.
China would just straight win.
If we want China to win, then we're going to try to win.
I mean, that's how we want it to be. I don't know.
In my America, we try to win.
I'm serious. Like I'm not trying to be Trump.
But like in my America, we win.
In my America.
The America that I've known and that I've seen over the last 200 years,
like you try to win.
You try to be at the forefront of technology and everything else.
Man, 200 years.
Christ, you look good for 200 years.
Yeah.
But the point I'm making is like, if we let capitalism sort this out,
China wins this game.
All these automakers.
And by the way, I is an ID4 built in the States, right?
ID4 built in the States.
All these automakers are pulling out of these, pulling back on these EVs.
And if that's the way we want to go, then that's the way we want to go.
But the Chinese EVs have driven them.
They're way ahead.
They're way ahead in their way cheaper.
And China is going to walk around and start selling these cars in the other markets
and start gobbling up market turn all those places too.
And pretty soon our auto industry is going to be forward selling cars to Americans.
Can we talk about how beautiful this photo is?
There's two ID3s.
And you're not going to take this.
There are no other electric cars in this shot.
He's afraid of them.
There's no other electric cars in this shot whatsoever.
That's right for these two, which is fascinating.
We will just further listen.
They're going to go from an EA AAA to the EA4 quadruple eight.
They'll just keep going with their engine Navy structure.
That's all he wants to do.
That's all I want to talk about.
I'm wrong about that.
No, you're not wrong about this.
Come on, admit that there's an interesting story there, which is that if we continue to pull back on EVs,
which is what's happening, and if we don't incentivize EVs, which might be the right move,
it's certainly what the consumers seem to want right now.
But if we do that, China is not in that situation.
And they are making these cars better and selling them better.
And every week we report on a new automaker that is pushing back their EVs.
I think the other thing that often gets missed in this is that we have over the years,
the US and Europe and other countries have heavily incentivized a lot of different things
that we have kind of forgotten.
The reason that diesels were so big in Europe is that diesels was heavily subsidized
or incentivized, right?
There were incentives for manufacturers building them.
Diesel was a little bit subsidized by the US government.
But for many years, those were successful products that European companies built with some benefits.
And when they were first starting, I'm quite confident the US government subsidized cars by building highways.
There's a lot of things where we kind of accepted it, except it in retrospect.
We're now we're having that conversation with EVs and looking back at it,
will we think if we keep going on that road of subsidizing them,
I think we'll just view that as normal because it kind of is in the bigger scheme.
Right.
An interesting question.
But if we don't, then EVs will probably walk away because Americans are not particularly interested in without subsidies.
And then technology advances.
You go to Mexico, you go to Latin America, the Chinese cars are already there.
They're already selling them there.
They're going to continue.
You go to Southern Europe, they're already there.
Technology advances, though, on electric motors, on batteries.
And now we'll also make it happen.
Yeah, but the question is, when we eventually adopt it, when we have to,
we'll try to have already succeeded.
You know what I'm saying?
And they will have charging stations and better technology.
And that's the fear.
That's the fear with walking this back.
That's the fear with the government walking it back.
And that's why we can't just necessarily just let capitalism sort it out when we have the conversation.
Because capitalism may sort it out in a way that is not favorable for us.
And our government has the, this isn't pure capitalism.
Our government has the ability to kind of put their finger on the scales of what actually.
This is not where I thought this conversation would go.
I'm surprised to hear myself saying this too, but I've been thinking about this more and more over the last few weeks.
And when you hear about what I drive these Chinese cars, I'm astonished.
They shouldn't have sent them to us.
Now we know how good they are.
Now we're like crap.
We got to catch up.
Maybe they're going.
Maybe a Ford CEO a few months ago had an interview where he said that he drove the Xiaomi S U7.
He's been driving it around.
And it's like, did he know what he had to do?
Well, we're building.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
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But understand my warning folks.
Oh, that's speaking of electric cars.
Yeah, sort of nice transition.
They're very smooth.
Speaking of EVs.
This is the BMW Noia class a foul or EV.
What's interesting about this is that there is a...
Is it the trunk lid?
Yeah.
There's a...
It's got a horn.
They proposed this shape earlier.
Yeah.
It's not the first time we've seen it.
But now it moves.
It has actual engineering that has been done to make it a fun car.
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A car is shown by a real manufacturer eventually gets built.
Maybe not.
But the thing is people are saying that this will become the new M3.
That's what a lot of people are saying.
That's what that rumors are heavily circulating.
But there is a video that came out of it driving.
Which you get to see these wheels in action.
Which are very cool.
They put a lot of effort into the regenerative braking.
Oh wow.
It's a lot smoother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's something.
But the big thing was they made the wheels light up.
Which is ridiculous.
I had the new M5 last week.
And people complained so much.
BMW has embraced technology more than any other legacy automaker.
It's so amazing.
They've got everything tech.
You know that the climate vents in order to make them a full base.
Make them a full blow or not blow.
You have little screens that you tap.
Mm-hmm.
Each vent has a screen.
And people look at BMW like that.
Enthusiasts.
The people who want, who have, who have 90s.
Are like, fuck, yeah.
People that have tried to tell their mother how to open vent.
But what BMW is saying is our customer base has always been young people who get it.
And it still is.
That's why they went for headlights.
Luckily, a Kia off the one from two generations.
Our producer said this.
I can't agree.
Which is more annoying.
I don't know.
The wheels are bad.
But like, maybe this is the future.
I don't know.
But I know BMW's leading us there.
We get a new X3 behind us right now.
That's leading us into the future.
But I just took that to the DMV and let me tell you something.
It looked like the future in that parking lot.
Yeah.
A lot of Honda Odyssey's with three-year-old expired lights up there.
There's a body, luckily.
Heavy body day.
I once had to take my 3505 to that DMV to register.
But what in the corner?
Yeah.
Boy was it.
It was quite a sight there.
There were a lot of people very interested.
I bet some cool stuff shows up.
But the DMV, if you waited long enough, right now.
When you see a grill lit up at night.
Yeah.
As the current BMW's do as every Mercedes seems to now with the star.
Yeah.
As I saw like a Lexus have yesterday.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I go every time.
And when you see a wheel like that, drive it around.
I think that they're making fun of their customers.
It seems like they're making fun of their customers.
It seems like, oh, you're a least shoppers.
It's trying to, yeah.
How about this for you?
How about this little car to drive?
People thought that even when Audi did the headlights like on the R8,
they thought that was tacky.
And you're right.
I don't think anybody ever thought that.
And people thought that.
Regardless.
It's 39 same thing.
This is a bit much for me to start.
They won't come to production, of course.
Give us our last Australian out of production car wheels.
That's the production car.
The US won't allow laser headlights.
You think they're going to start allowing wheel lights.
I don't think they have any dictation.
I don't think they're going to start allowing wheel lights.
I don't think they have any dictation.
The US allows laser headlights.
They don't allow the auto high beams.
They have to either be on or off.
They can't do the allow laser headlights.
Yeah, there would be MWs with laser headlights.
But they stopped offering it because they decided it wasn't cost effective.
Because you can't do the cool things.
Well, you can do the cool things.
But it's more expensive than it doesn't really benefit.
What the US doesn't allow.
The greatest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I drove them Mercedes in a lake like this.
You get the high beams on.
Yeah.
It turns on the high beams.
But then a car is coming.
And instead of turning them off.
It turns off blocks out the high beams only where that car is in the beam sweep.
Yep.
So you still get the full effect of the high beams.
But the driver is brilliant.
It's brilliant.
It's incredible.
It's obviously safer.
But our regulations are far behind.
Yep.
Disappointingly.
Thankfully.
Do you want to dive into that political point that he's making there?
Everything's fine.
We got to delete what his Trump say about regular.
I don't know.
We got to this though, I think, is going to come.
I wouldn't be surprised to be honest with you.
But to be clear, there's a lot more to it than this.
They've done a lot of work in terms of through the real engineering.
There's a lot of this car creates an incredible amount of downforce.
It's 2,645 pounds of downforce.
How?
That's different than the pounds of downforce.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why it has the floor on the back.
That is why it has that, which also has a lot of vents through it and stuff.
Why do they have four people in the car?
Why do they have a people in four people in this car?
Also because it's a four-seater car.
We're trying to show that off.
Yes, that's right.
Yes, you see, we put four people in it.
It's a very impressive car.
It makes 13,000 foot-pounds of torque.
They did claim that, by the way.
They said 18,000 Newton meters of what to put to the road,
which we looked into.
That's some gearing technicality, whether they say it's 18,000 Newton meters.
And they like to multiply the gear of the electric motors by the,
I don't remember.
And like the number of wheels, maybe, because they have a motor.
Because I'll tell you what.
It equates to 13,276 foot-pounds of torque.
Sure.
It doesn't seem realistic to me.
But nonetheless, if this does become what the M3 will be.
Great.
I still don't know, because BMW did say they want to make six cylinders
and eight cylinders still, so.
This might be a three, but an electric version of mine.
On I3M.
I3M.
Yeah, it's something like that.
I think it looks cool.
And they keep showing it to us.
So they're, they're going to do it.
Yeah, I'm kind of into it.
I3M.
I3M.
Give us the next story.
I3M.
As he works this out, give us the next new story.
Ah, yes, you go.
Here's some very excited people around a you go.
I go.
Because everybody needs a you go.
You go noted Eastern European car company that failed is going,
is apparently going to come back and build a new car.
That was the report this week.
We looked into it and it seemed like a guy drew one.
A guy from Serbia, I believe, drew one.
It looks great.
It looks like a combination like a GTI and a Nionic 5 and a Yold you go.
Look, no real production plan.
The description was such a dude got an interview and said,
I want to do these.
I want to draw a you go for you.
It's a new car.
Right.
The headline is you go is coming back.
Reality is man draws car on paper, wishes he had a factor.
Oh, apparently they're going to do it.
An engineering.
Yeah.
They can do a tour of the world in the old you go.
So to somehow advertise the new you go.
I saw that.
Good luck.
All right.
Let's move on to our talk car segment, which of course is sponsored by Filippo.
Of course.
Personally.
Filippo.
Of course.
Avoiding politics at all costs.
Okay.
Let's talk about the Lake Tahoe strato.
Can you pull it up, please?
Yes.
You know what I'm talking about, right?
I do.
This week, every person that I've ever met sent me a picture of this.
There was a Lamborghini Storato and Lake Tahoe.
Go to images.
Let's pull all.
There it is.
There it is.
Darcy blows.
There was some guy got a bad photo of a Storato that had clearly slid off in Lake Tahoe.
I don't even know that it stuck, but that was the implication.
Yes.
So everybody posted it everywhere and it was a big deal.
And I got sent this picture by everybody being like, I can't believe people are taking a
Lambo to Lake Tahoe.
And I had to be like, folks, folks.
That's what it's for.
This is, this is a off road car.
And you know what happened every time?
I literally ten people who I barely speak to in my entire ten people sent me this.
Really?
Said this.
I replied and was like, that's an off road version.
And like nine of them didn't reply after that.
They were like, they must have been like, he's clearly an idiot.
Like it's not an off road car.
But it is people.
No, you're the idiot.
My friend is great.
My friend Benny lives in New Hampshire sent me a picture of a Storato in the snow.
And this came with the next day.
I went, that's nothing.
Look at this.
The Storato can handle it.
In fact, I'm not even entirely convinced that it stuck here.
No, the implication was that it was stuck.
And it might be, but there's also a cross-track set in front of it that's off the road.
It's been an 18 wheeler.
But yeah, that's more likely to get stuck.
Yeah, yeah.
Cross-track.
I think it'll be fun.
My point is, the Storato is built for this.
More built for it than an LMO too.
But it is hard to explain this to regular people.
People see an orange Lambo and the Storato is such a weird car.
That's cool.
That's why it's called the cool hurricane.
No, I've got a Lambo, but it's for off-roading.
What do you mean?
For off-roading.
What are you talking about?
What do you mean for off-roading?
It's got seven inches.
You don't know that.
What do you got?
Personally, zero.
You walk right on the dead ends.
That is 204.
It should then my facial recognize it.
Is that true?
Think about that.
Five point, something.
Five point four.
But less than an outback by that kind of attitude.
The point is, so.
This, uh, poor Storato is now shamed everywhere even though it,
I would take it.
It's what it's for.
I would have taken my Storato to that.
I probably would have put chains on it or true winter tires.
Maybe it has them.
Well, chains.
Do you think they have like a rating for chains for how fast you can go?
There are things like Tahoe where they require chains.
Yeah.
I would put chains on them.
No big deal.
That looks so cool.
Imagine driving that around.
Man, but also kudos to this person for actually using it.
I feel bad.
They have the suffer of the embarrassment of seemingly being stuck
and all over the internet.
But good for them for actually driving the ship.
I'm so sad that they got shamed when they did what they were supposed to.
Honestly.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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Commentator, that's what they said they got shamed when they did what they were supposed to.
Honestly screw it.
You got stuck.
Fine.
Get out of it.
Keep going.
That's what it's for.
It's a light car.
Yeah, it is a lot of fun.
Okay.
Give us our next truck cars segment, Filippa.
All right.
A few weeks ago.
Want to go?
Yeah.
My station wagon got hit.
If your wife offered to go pick it up, I was like, no, I have a feeling I'm going to
be a little thicker than you are.
And there are a few things that I do not happy with that they're very kindly going to
fix.
There's a color match issue.
The color match is actually okay.
But there's a few finishing things where I'm just unhappy with how there's some panels
that didn't work.
Some trims.
There's like a body like a side skirt that got broken in the process that they're going
to really both.
In fact, this car has been hit multiple times under your ownership, place, ever, both of
them under my ownership, yes.
And it's worth maybe $15,000.
Right.
But like every day he turns more into me.
What do you pick about it?
What do you pick about it?
Tell us specifically.
That's the debate.
Like, what is specific?
I don't have pictures with it.
There's a side skirt that got broken in the process.
There's a few spots where the bumper, they need to redo the liner to actually hook it
up correctly.
It's a little bit mismounted.
All things that don't really matter on a 115,000 mile, $15,000 car that gets driven
every day.
Right.
It's like a lot more components that were all replaced and repainted by a very professional
body shop.
And so my expectations are high-ish because they're doing the work that they should do
it well.
Are my standards unreasonable?
No.
Like a little bit.
When it comes to car.
I says that age.
Now it's gone again?
You got another two weeks ago.
No, I mean, they're going to do it all in one day at Cowboys.
Sure.
But I will say, I want to be very clear, it was a quite a nice conversation where I said,
Like, I know that these don't really matter,
but what can we do?
And they're quite kind of.
Let me ask you, now it's been gone for a while.
Does that mean you're thinking of maybe it permanently
being gone out of your life for a while?
We were driving it all week,
because I family visited and we were going
to six people in the car,
because it's not made for that.
It's got seven seats, seven seat belts.
You're where rental cars exist?
And I like the wagon, but yeah,
it's the more I drive our GTI,
which is a basically a new car,
the more it becomes very evident
that station wagon is 11 years old
and has done 150,000 miles.
And so now, yeah, I think about a new body.
You think about mine, I can't afford that.
What do you mean, the 17s aren't that expensive?
I don't want, that's not.
You only want an all-terrain.
I can't do prefer the all-terrain.
I don't know, I can't justify a different car,
but I'm thinking about it,
because it's feeling more worn.
It is, these cars start to get all they start to feel old
and that's just like,
should I still be picky about bodywork
on a car where nobody will ever care,
because it's worth nothing.
Uh, you would want, well, obviously.
But I would, you're right,
that like the jumps should be done well,
if you get no offense,
but even you looked at and you're like,
this is not right, it must be pretty bad.
I got one of the downsides
of working at cars and bids for the last four and a half years,
is that you get really good at pointing out flaws.
You get quite good at looking at a photo
and being like, that doesn't match or this looks wrong.
And unfortunately, I've internalized those hills.
Yes, you wouldn't care about any of this.
I wouldn't care, especially on a car like that.
That's, that, in fact,
the benefit of a car like that is that you can not.
But like it just got fixed.
That cars were 12 and you're no,
it's worth 15 to 17.
Okay, we were 12 and six weeks.
You can, the fun of that car is that you can drive it
and really not worry that much about it.
That's how I word it.
That's how I treat all my cars.
Damaged on his.
Yeah.
He also, I wasn't involved with either of these incidents
that happened, just saying.
But you are, yeah, I,
look, I understand what you're saying.
I don't think it's unreasonable,
but like, it should probably go.
Well, I don't know that it should go.
I disagree with that.
I think the car is a normist-minded utility.
I think $15,000 car that is practical and runs and drives.
And if that's a car you keep.
The depreciation curve is really minimal.
It's a reliable car.
You put a lot of money into it, it's safe.
Just have it and use it.
Yeah, I don't know if you drove your a-barth here today though,
which is interesting to me because you have,
yeah, you have that car.
You have your new GTI.
I thought we were selling the a-barth.
The a-barth is going to be sold soon.
OK, next topic, go to the site real quick.
I want to talk about a car that neither of you
have ever heard of.
Type in A8.
You ever heard of the Audi A8?
I have.
At regeneration.
Check out this one.
Click on that.
You know what's special about this one?
Take a look.
It seems like a nice one.
It's been one owner for the last 22 years.
See if you can decide what's special about this one.
One owner from the last 26 years.
When the D2 Audi A8 came out in 1997,
it was offered in two versions.
There was the 4.2 quadruple.
That we all know.
And there was a 3.7 quadruple.
We'll drive.
What?
This is a front wheel drive Audi A8 from an early model.
What?
First model.
What?
Now, the 3.7 you never saw.
And it's this one's in New York.
You especially never saw them in the north.
Why would you buy them?
When I was a kid in Colorado, I never actually laid eyes on one.
I went to Atlanta for college years later
after finding out about it and finally saw one.
The giveaways are there's no quadruple
badge in the front grille.
And if you go to the exterior, there should have been
a 3.7 badge.
What someone did on this car is they tried to disguise.
I mean, they're not trying to cover it up.
They're like a bearist about that.
So they took out the 3.7 badge, which didn't say quatch
one underneath.
It just said 3.7.
And they switched out the wheels for S wheels.
But I always thought that the base wheels were actually
kind of charming.
I had no.
This is a front wheel drive Audi A8.
To this day, the A8 platform is a front wheel drive platform.
But that was they don't sell a front wheel drive version.
And this is a front wheel drive Audi A8 with the 3.7.
It's not a 4.2 car.
There were two motor options, which also nobody knows.
Who knows?
Maybe you're joking.
How did I never know this?
Maybe it's more level.
How much power 230 horsepower?
It wasn't big power.
It was incredibly rare.
It was like probably 5% of sales.
Obviously, in retrospect, they shouldn't have even offered it.
And in subsequent generations, they didn't.
But in this generation, and I think only for the first couple
of years, there was a front wheel drive Audi A8.
We got one on the side right now.
230 horsepower, 235.5.
I put it to the tour.
First of all, from a V8, it's power.
And second of all, who was it?
To my fair, for a while, Mercedes Benz with S-Class
offered a small 6-cylinder.
There wasn't, well, yeah, over the years,
I mean, in the W126, there's a lot of Mets 6-cylinder.
Well, no, in that generation of S-Class,
there was a 320.
There was a 320.
And so that's probably why Audi did it.
They were like, well, they're selling a base model.
We'll try a base model too.
Wow.
That is the point.
I never knew that.
It's also worth pointing out, by the way, the 97 outies.
Let's go to the interior photo.
The 97 outies didn't have tiptronic.
They only had a straight gearbox.
In 98, they switched to tiptronic.
So the 97s, the A8 came out in 97.
The only way you could get a non-tiptronic A8
was if you got a 97.
Sadly, I didn't want to, oh, there we go.
Unusual.
A 4 came out in 96, and so there were two years
of no-tiptronic.
But this is a really, really, really, really uncommon car.
I don't consider it to be more valuable,
but no, but it's on top of it.
I saw it come through, and I saw that,
I actually saw it in the thing in the Audi A8 3.7,
and I thought to myself, that must be wrong.
I haven't seen one of these in so long.
There it is.
Wow, there it is.
You weren't saying that the 100 mirrors smaller
than the driver mirror, but like substantially.
Yeah, looks pretty tight.
I can't believe this car was in the North East.
Massachusetts windows, I know.
Well, this is crazy.
But with 109, why did you buy this?
And not a 4-wheel drive?
It was probably 5 grand more for a 4-wheel drive
and the bigger motor with every lights and tillets,
different, or just 97.
I don't think so.
I think this is a pre-face of car,
and they facelifted like 98, 99, something.
So they facelifted a year later?
Do you choose a rear to begin with?
Yeah.
Yeah, it wasn't long before they facelifted it,
because the orange side marker was also
on the A4's and 96, 97, and 96.
This is such an euro-looking A-Class.
Yeah, but this is a U.S. car.
It's sold new in the U.S.
Wow.
Pull up the other interesting euro.
Please go to the R5 turbo.
A-8.
R5.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Look at that.
I don't have anything to say.
Just like look at her face.
Do you ever drink one of these?
No.
I never had either.
What an obscure question.
Yeah.
It's a good one, that's a good one.
I don't know.
I'm just trying.
What have you said?
Yes.
No.
But I drove a Cleo.
It's different.
The Cleo is dangerous.
Yes.
The Cleo is so light up front.
Yeah.
What do you think this is?
This must be even sketchy.
Yeah, so sketchy.
In a good way.
Look at that.
Like the rear is so wide.
That's the rear.
Look at that.
That is outweigh.
The engine isn't the back for reasons.
The whole concept of this car is ridiculous out of its mind.
And these bring massive money.
They're rare.
I mean, you know, it's funny, because the regular R5 was just a trashy little European
hatchback.
Yeah.
And then there's this, the turbo, which was like a legit car.
Turbo 2.
Turbo 2.
It's most legit car that we've ever sold or Ken has ever seen.
Okay.
That's not too wrong.
I have seen them in person.
There's what it's worth.
There's what it's worth.
You know what this is?
He likes his little European hatchbacks, and this was kind of the final form of the European
hatchback.
And he likes his obscure cars.
And this is like, it does everything Filippo needs it to do.
Except that it's French.
I'm okay with that.
You know what's weird about this car is the hood is in the trunk.
Yeah.
Oh, it's weird.
I want to be clear.
It isn't the trunk.
Like in the Lotus Elise, the hood is the trunk.
No, there's a trunk.
It's like a spacious trunk.
There's a carpet.
And then there's the hood is, that's the other thing that's weird.
The hood is carpeted.
Not a lot of cars you have a carpeted hood, but in this car you do have a carpeted hood.
And how many hatchbacks do you have a trunk?
Uh-huh.
That's true.
That's not, if you go to one with that clothes, that's not a tiny hatchback.
The top part opens up.
In the, in the, in the Clio, there was a carpeted part and then there was a part under
it as well.
That is so ridiculous.
I think it's with that help.
Like, I, like, there's such, there's such, there's such, 1980s, French, British cars for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're lucky that carpeted it, man.
I, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
What a cool thing.
What a cool day this podcast comes out.
And it's such a cool car.
Can it give us your experience with the M5?
Uh, yes.
So dark head on Tesla's here, literally, the G90 M5, what do they call it?
New, yes.
Dinoia.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, a lot of talk about how much it weighs.
Everybody talks about that it weighs more than the solar system.
Yep.
And that it is not an M5 and does it all.
You know, it doesn't weigh more than the charge review, which I think is my new benchmark.
Yeah, but American cars can be heavy German car.
It's like, it's an M5.
It's supposed to be like, but like, uh, it's review is my anyway.
So.
So high watermark.
But what a mark.
I don't know.
So I drove this car perfectly acceptable.
I have, like, it's, it is monstrous sleep, powerful.
I mean, it's just the torque was insane.
Like on the highway, just breathe on it and just, like,
that it's slower zero to 60 and quarter mile than the last one.
Yeah.
The last one was really fast.
He said it.
And I'll say it again.
All performance cars are the same fast.
They might be off by a 10th or even a half.
You don't feel like sitting in the real world in the reality.
Your fiat's on a performance car.
Let me tell you.
Let me tell you about this.
I want to know more about them.
Let me tell you where this comes from.
Everybody who argues over zero to 60 times in the 10th of a second race, cars are all
the same.
They're all the same.
I used to drag race.
I used to do quarter mile drag racing for years and years they did quarter mile drag
race.
Probably been the drags for 100 times.
You know what I learned?
Every car is as fast as every other car.
I'm not screwed with you.
You get two cars that were like, should be pretty far apart.
They would end the race like a third of a second apart.
And that was kind of that.
And it was like, okay, that one was faster.
But in real world applications, that doesn't matter.
Anyway, so the point I'm making about the M5 is that it does everything in M5 is supposed
to do.
It's pretty, it's very comfortable in the highway.
It handles surprisingly well.
It hides its weight very nicely.
I've found on tight roads.
It didn't fuel that out of place.
It felt like pretty manageable.
It's very comfortable.
It's nicely put together.
I have to admit the lights and the screens are a bit much like it's really bright and
kind of irritating inside the car, but that's the modern way.
The M5 is, as Harry Macke put it is, it's the emblematic of how cars are now.
That M5 is a modern M5.
Plus, I would say the BMW sells cars to young, well-kept, dark-haired guys who shoot on
their wives, Rich.
Do you agree?
The M5's anyway.
And so specific.
But it's kind of right.
Right?
I think.
That's five new M5's, right?
Come on.
Am I wrong?
No.
Okay.
Never owned a new one.
And so I would argue that the screens and the tech is even part of it too.
Like, they're on the forefront.
These young guys who buy the car want the latest and greatest stuff.
We've expressed it.
If you're a manager, you're coming up, you buy the M3.
The boss buys the M5.
That was always kind of the way.
But it is like a tendency on the wife.
Well, I'm not putting that there.
It's a point.
My M5 brethren.
But it is a very competent car.
Is it necessarily what I want from M5?
Not necessarily.
It's like, I do put it on.
But you're not.
I'm the demo.
Right.
I'm not the demo.
Right.
Exactly.
I'm not the cheating demographic that's, or I suppose.
But a very impressive car on the, the torque.
I'll be thinking about the torque for a long time.
I think it's impressive.
I think also the type of people who buy that car.
Everybody online complains.
Guys with Modernity 90s complaint.
But the type of people who buy that car, they like the, they like everything being new
and modern.
The design is modern and aggressive.
The design is fresh and new and cool, et cetera.
I think that's what people are looking for.
I'm even kind of coming around the way it looks.
It doesn't bother me.
I don't love it.
But it's like, it's fine.
You know, it's just, I like how it looks.
I think it's cool.
I think it's fine.
I think the new five in general is a really attractive car.
And I think in 20 years people are going to come around at that point.
I'm just 20 years early.
I was awesome.
Is it the case?
Uh, okay.
But a good car.
Thank you for letting me drive it.
Uh, yeah.
I'm glad you did drive it.
You've now driven every generation of the M5.
I was sure you wouldn't.
That's not true.
Which one have you driven?
original E28.
No, what?
I haven't driven E34, but I have driven everything.
E34 M540.
All right.
You haven't even E34?
No.
Well, it's a let down compared to your car.
So, um, actually, I love the 28th.
I drove an E28 in Altadena the day before that guy bought the winning lottery ticket.
Yeah.
You know the guy in Altadena.
It was actually the day off.
Wow.
I was driving you.
He was buying a lottery ticket at the shop and save.
I was, I actually broke down in that M5 while I was filming it.
So, you know, who had the better day?
You're both winners.
You had a real M5 experience and he won a lottery ticket.
And now he's got a lot of M5 experiences because he bought all these cars.
Was this an Edwin Castro?
Was that isn't it?
Wasn't it?
I think it's something like that.
Edwin Castro.
Yeah.
You don't know this story.
Can we move on?
He bought like every Porsche.
Yeah.
He went to like, remember when they auctioned all those white like Porsche?
Yeah, of course.
He went there and like bought loads of them.
He bought every Porsche.
He bought it.
He went to the dealer and said, I want all the clients.
They said, I don't know this.
I don't know all of them.
And of course, we now respect him heavily.
Some people do.
Some people only respect people if they have money or and that's the only reason to respect
people.
Or a lot of Porsches.
Okay.
Next up, market report.
Time for the market report brought to you by carsandbids.com.
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Which one?
Okay.
The Barth.
No, it's been great.
It's a GTI.
I guess since you mentioned it.
It's been great.
All right.
Market report.
Filippo, what do you got for it?
All right.
This past week, we sold a B8 S4.
That's an Audi S4.
Yes.
Right.
Stick.
Red interior sport differential.
It also went.
B8.5.
Yep.
It also went for what I thought based on looking at some comps was a really strong number.
Yep.
And it.
I make me wonder if people are finally recognizing that like here is a really great driver
sports sedan.
Yeah.
For a long time, the Audi sports cars, especially they're like the ones based on regular cars, have
not gone much love.
They're just depreciating the German luxury cars.
But maybe the special ones are starting to get appreciation in the same way that an M3
or a C63 does.
And here's one with a stick that did really well.
Yeah.
This is an unusual situation though.
This car is sport differential from the factory in ahead of manual.
Yeah.
I agree with you.
The B8s are possibly in the right situation, getting a little bit of recognition, but this
particular car was a really desirable one.
And pretty low miles.
62,000 miles is low.
A lot of these cars get driven hard.
And the sticks are rare.
The sticks are rare.
And B8.5 is a special rare.
But I think if you're going to get one, this is one to have.
It's also a pretty cleanly modified car already titled in California.
It's got some nice.
If you're interested in mods, got some nice.
I agree with you.
The number was was strong for this car.
And the comments agreed, but also it makes sense.
But it is.
I find another type car.
B8s for is with a sticker not around.
It gives me hope that people.
I think they're really cool cars.
I think they're a great actual fun sports sedan.
That was a little underappreciated to give me hope that people are recognizing them.
The B5 B6 and B7s 4 has never really been.
Beloved by the market.
No, we got to be six here in the office.
Actually, behind the six three.
I don't know if you can see the X3.
It's camouflage.
It's still.
It's very dark.
It's stealth.
And we got a B6s 4 back there.
And it's so good.
I have fallen in love with the B6 out of S4.
I always wanted one.
Can you driven that one yet?
No, I got to find a video to make that drive the car.
It's your car, but B6 here.
Oh, which is to say worse.
But you know, the engine is mounted in front of the front wheels, which is not great.
And it's not in the engine grenades.
But it's so cool.
Well, yeah, so it blows up.
I mean, those engine doesn't, you know?
I've always liked them.
I always thought they're.
There is a group of people who appreciate them.
And when I see a B5 S4, I am like,
I have incredible respect for the person because who owns that,
because to go through that pain, that car is really impressive.
And to see a nice one now is unheard of.
And the same thing sort of applies to the B6.
The B7 S4 is awesome, but the B7 RS4 exists.
And so everybody would rather do that.
That's a really, really special car.
Plus, the timing chain issues didn't affect the B7.
And in my, it's much.
In my, in my mind, if you're not living on the edge, like the B6s is,
like any moment you could start that car and need a motor,
then what do you really do?
Okay.
Next one is manual cayenne.
Can you pull this manual cayenne?
Oh, yeah.
That's wild.
Talk about cars that bring money.
Ken has been looking for a cayenne.
Yeah, I'm done.
Still so on it.
Ken has been looking for a cayenne.
It's this one here.
And, and, and we've been looking at turbos and they're like 20.
Yeah, yeah.
You can get a, a, a, a, a, a deep.
They're hard to find with great off.
But 2012, that's fine.
But yeah, 2025, 30.
And they range.
So this manual comes up.
A six cylinder black, black, pretty basic car.
It can mean specs.
Pretty basic car.
And it sells for 33 five with miles.
Yes.
It wasn't, it was like 87,000 to go back to paint it.
To keep that perspective, we just sold a turbo S.
Yeah.
For 32.
Same model you're about.
It was actually a newer car.
What, what is the mileage on the turbo S?
Turbo S.
93.
Same miles.
So for, for the same money, you could have a turbo S.
This is 550 horsepower.
And I'm sure it has crazy options because they all did.
They're all dead.
Yeah.
Or you could have a six cylinder stick.
Base car, Nicki Minaj.
Same money.
Or a four year newer GTS.
No, we could go ahead.
It's got a V6.
That's a good point, actually.
That's, but that's a face of car.
That's the next spot.
Temperature of us.
Yeah, V6 anyway.
That's body.
This is a V6.
So if you've already gotten yourself in a V6 mindset,
you could have, I mean, this is, it's crazy what these
manuals go for.
I would someone try that.
I think I'd rather.
No.
It's cool.
But it's like, I've been told they're not very good.
They're not very good to drive.
Like you don't.
Of course not.
They're not sporty manuals.
But it's still a manual.
And it's cool.
I mean, in the Porsche world, listen, listen.
The cars, the 911s and boxers that are turquoise over turquoise
are ugly.
But they're big money because they're cool.
And it's the same here.
Yeah, it's not the best to drive.
He's tuned me out.
Well, I want to see that box do that.
We sold one.
We sold one.
Yeah.
You're going to check.
That's 100.
He's going to go through 150 listings.
My point is in the Porsche world, people don't care
as much about whether it's actually good and more about whether
the perception of it being interest.
And it isn't.
That's what sells in the Porsche world.
Look.
This sold for 19 grand.
It's a base boxster with miles.
It's 19 grand.
But it was green.
It was turquoise on turquoise with a turquoise parking brake
handle.
And you ain't go find that again.
I.
The manual kinds always bring money.
During the PicoCovid, we sold something for really quite
astronomical numbers.
Yeah.
I mean, look, it is an incredibly cool car.
Would I take a turquoise over it?
You know what's surprising, though?
Well, you say, duh, but I think that a lot of people would
disagree.
Turquoise is just a car that like a rich dude buys and it
appreciates and whatever.
Yeah.
A manual kind is like a special car.
I mean, who about the manuals know?
It was crazy people.
I remember it.
I was there.
It was crazy people.
I want an automatic.
I want 500 to 550 horsepower.
And that's comfort.
That's what I want.
It depends what you want out of your kind.
It's a car that is a usable practical luxury SUV that you can
drive fast.
Yeah.
This person wants a car they can throw around the corners.
And do you blow, you know, drop a gear?
They don't care about that.
They want to shift gears.
They want to do something with their hands.
They want to speak with their hands.
Can I?
Okay.
I do.
I do have a question.
Zoom back out.
Uh-huh.
Because manual second-gen kians, which is what we'll call it,
are way more desirable than GTSs from the first gen.
Scroll back up.
We have a GTS, a first gen GTS live right now with a stick because
in the first gen kian, the GTS was the only one available with a stick.
And it has a V8.
That's not true.
There was a six on there.
Yeah.
I will never see them.
They're very rare and even rare.
They are not, they are not viewed with the same belovedness as the second.
Why in my mind, a V8 powered kian with a stick should be more and sporty
pretensions.
Should be more desirable than the V6 second gen.
Yeah.
They're desirable.
The higher model on this first gen.
These still bring money.
Low-mile ones of these still bring money.
The same money.
The prices are too close.
Very similar.
Yeah.
Because especially because the V8, even though it was the first gen, had a lot more power
too.
It was 420 horse versus 330.
Yeah.
We have seven kians live right now.
Seven kians do.
This is kian clearinghouse.
And you know what?
I don't even mind.
Kians are great and they're great deals and they're great cars to buy.
We bought one.
You did.
We're going to sell it very soon.
Okay.
It's time for the questions.
The questions are brought to you by Kennen.
Kennen.
He answers your questions.
Um, the questions this week were interesting.
Okay.
Oh, first, let me tell you how to do them.
You go to carsandbids.com.
You know the website.
You click on the community tab.
Yeah.
And then there's a post there that says like, hey, let's answer your questions.
Flip will you see this?
Look at that.
That is your dream.
They're off the market.
How sad.
That is your dream.
Anyway, there's a post with the questions.
That's where you answer your question.
Now, this week we got a bunch of questions.
The best questions were not the top ones.
I'm going to breeze through a couple of topics and then we're going to go on to the
greatest.
Do it.
There was a grady for you coming.
Oh, man.
Okay.
Question from Mr. B.
Sean B.
Doug, I really missed the more Doug videos.
Like the Vegas hotel room tour, et cetera.
Can you open a Google spreadsheet with the unlisted video links?
Yeah.
I guess I don't know.
Can we do that?
He looked at me.
He doesn't like me.
It's like five o'clock.
He's done.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Find the links somewhere else.
Which ones do you like best?
We'll open though.
Right now I will say they're all private for a bunch of like channel-related reasons.
There were a bunch of things to have the channels worked the way we wanted them to.
We can get there.
Well, we'll talk about it.
I do the house tours and the hotel room tour I'm particularly fond of because that was when
I started the cars in bed.
You called me when you were driving there and then driving back.
That was reviewed that day.
That's true.
I remember that call.
I remember that call.
And then COVID happened.
I was on the Vegas strip.
Wow.
I had to have a million dollar line of credit to have that hotel room.
Next question.
Also from Mr. B. Sean B.
Doug, you say the company is no longer yours since you sold it.
I assume you still have a considerable amount of shares.
What about a decision where the higher ups make decisions you disagree with that of your
control?
How would you handle it?
The ownership structure is weird because yeah, I do have a lot of shares.
And I'm also like in the face.
Like look at me.
Yeah.
That's your face.
So it's weird that I'm a minority but also like the person would get out of beard.
And so the thing about it is I'm not a business person.
Everybody blames me for everything that happens on cars and bits.
But I don't know what the hell's going on.
I make YouTube videos as a profession.
It's what I do.
When the investors came and said, hey, we're going to buy this thing.
I was like, oh, my God.
Thank God somebody is going to do this because I can't anymore.
I really, really truly mean that.
There are decisions that are made here every day that I'm in awe of.
That I wouldn't have done myself and that I'm surprised by.
And some of them don't work and some of them do work.
But regardless, like I wouldn't have taken this to where it is now.
And so I try to lay my, I try to leave my hands off for the executives
and the investors to cover.
And that's kind of that.
Next question.
From big ultimatator six, which car offers the most exotic
and beautiful looks for the money?
In other words, which car provides the best looks per dollar value?
I have thoughts on that one.
Vantage V8 Vantage.
V8 Vantage is very good.
You mean sports cars specifically or anything?
You're talking kind now.
No.
The kinds where you're looking car.
You won't like this.
Uh-oh.
You won't like this either.
You're going to say Gran Turismo?
No.
It's going to be ether 9 and 5.
The Fiska Karma, in my mind, is an extraordinarily attractive car.
And they're pretty inexpensive.
This one was a nice one sold for $36.6.
But you can get them for $17.13.
The problem that I have.
I think they're really pretty.
When I see one, I think, like orphaned brain, laughable car, barely keeping it on the road.
Like this is the delorean of the modern era.
Now, deloreans are cool now, but there was a long time.
A long time.
Well, when I look at, see, I remember in 2012, I came to San Diego for the very first time.
And Fiska was a brand that existed.
They had a showroom in San Diego.
And I went and pictures in the Fiska show.
But if I saw, so they're cool at the time.
Right.
But as they've aged, I still think they're cool.
And they had the plug-in hybrid idea.
It was good.
It was a good idea.
It was just it was a little bit ahead of its time.
Because now it's the new one.
Well, and they used the GM eco-tech engine.
Right.
Now they're great.
Chevy Colbert power.
But I think they are, especially that rear-haunch.
I just think it is extraordinary.
It's a striking car.
Is it a beautiful car?
I don't know.
I think it's beautiful.
But V8 V8 is that color.
Well, they put so they put glass in their paint
as their metallic paint, which is why it's so puppy.
I agree that this car is pretty cool,
but I don't think it's the most,
and I mean, Austin Martin isn't as to know.
No one will disagree with, but the V8 V8.
How about you?
How about you, everybody?
How about one of those old rolls?
Oh, okay.
Like one of them?
Is that a beautiful car?
It's a stately car.
Is it a beautiful car?
Well, it says exotic and beautiful-
Do you drive around those?
I was filming that today and everybody's staring at me.
And I'm like, the same is true if you're driving a G-Wagon.
on beautiful and exotic, which are what you want. This is a good one.
Grand Turismo's one. You hate the way it looks, but you're wrong about it. I think it's
ugly, but I do think it looks exotic and people are not exotic. Okay, I agree. That is
a beautiful car. For $15,000, I mean, more value than the Aston. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,
that is an exotic looking car, even if it's Aston's better. I would heart-moving this,
but nonetheless, that is a beautiful car. Our producer had somebody, one of his friends,
he's a non-car person. Solid Gran Turismo, a modern one, like, lip broken off and took
a selfie because she's like, it's a Maserati. It's like normal car people still have that,
or normal non-car people still have that reaction. Okay. I agree with all those. Do you have
any? Jaguar XK. Yeah, that's a good one. It is beautiful. People think it's expensive.
It is not. That's a $13,000 car. That's a gorgeous car. Wow, I didn't know there was that
thing on that cheap. I think you're going for $10,000. I mean, I, but get a $7,000, $5,000,
$7,000. I bet they're $10,000. But there's a $10,000, $7,000, $15,000. Wow. Just go with the cheapest
price. No, no, no. Lowest price. Oh, yeah, lowest prices. Well, not lowest prices.
No, no. There you go. Well, the cheapest ones are $10,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000. Wow,
that is an, I did not know there was that cheap. That's a beautiful car for that price. You know,
when it was $7,000, they had the antenna. You remember this? No. Click on that $0,000, $7,000.
Oh, seven. Jack hadn't figured out how to do the antenna yet. Oh, you're right. They did.
So in only 07, they had antenna off the back one, which screwed up the whole look of the car.
It's beautiful design. How they didn't figure out how to like bury the antenna in the windshield
like everybody or put the aerial on the center. I can. How good or bad are they? I don't know,
they're not sports cards, but like they get mild up. We get them submitted. How many miles
does this thing have? They get submitted with some miles. But don't they have that AJV8 that's
problematic that was in all the Range Rover's problem. Although it's those seven, it doesn't. It
has the V8 that was in my Range Rover that was really reliable. I don't have the mouth.
In your next car. That is appealing. Yep. Okay. Here are some great ones. There's some great
questions this week. Some of the very best. Don't look at them. Don't look at them ahead of time.
I apologize. Be surprised. He cheats. From Range Rover 22445, can you share the YouTube
analytics for the Grand National video after the Kendrick Lamar's song release? He actually
means after the Super Bowl halftime. Because Kendrick Lamar has already been all a Grand
National. He had an album entitled GNX where the GNX is on the cover. Okay. I looked and you
want to know something? No effect. There was a slight effect. So it went from maybe 800 views per
hour to like a thousand, not huge. But you know what I noticed? If you look at them in December,
it's spiked to like 22,000 views per hour. Maybe that's when the album. Maybe the album gave
out that. What the hell? So like the spike for the Super Bowl was like this to this. But the
spike in December was like way up here. Who's looking at Grand National content? We should have
titled that video GNX. No, it wasn't a GNX. Just to get the clicks. Just to get the clicks. That's
so true, honestly. I'm going to add GNX to the search terms. No, I won't actually. Okay.
From oh, yes, yes, Kenan, this one's for you and all of us except him. Can you rank the
mid-engine V8 Ferrari cars from least to most favorite? Okay. Okay. So we're assuming
is the 3-8 GT4 included? No, I think it's the 3-8. The 3-8? Through F8.
Oh, you're okay. Wow. He said V8. Well, I know, but the tuna. Okay, fine. You don't have to put the
tuna in there. Six. I know, but it's the purity. It's the, okay, fine. Well, but it said eight
zones. You want to sit down. He doesn't think that it qualifies. That's a good point. So 308,
328, I'm going to write him down here. So yeah, 348. 308, 328, 355, 348, 355, 360, 430, 458, 488, and F8. Okay.
So I've driven, we agree the worst is the 348, which is not a negative on the 348,
but it's the worst off. I would track beef for you. I don't know if it's quite the, I mean, because
like a two valve 308, like the one GTSI that you drove. That car was amazing. Yeah, but it's
you're going to throw the 308 under the bus. That wedgie car. That's the problem because like
the QV is amazing. The Verrazina is great. And the GTSI is fun. I think 348 goes first because
it was it was unreliable. It was not particularly attractive. The interior is not great.
It's not fast. It has attributes that are good. It does steering. It has great steering best of
way better than the 355. It's pretty quick. It's good looking. I think it's of its time. I think
it looks really, but the three way looks better. 38 is prettier. 348 is more striking.
No, that's pretty. The wedge 308. The three rates of wedge. The 348 is a wedge. I can tell them
if he saw those two cars, he wouldn't be looking at it. He'd look at the three way and be like,
oh, a cool touch. He tell it. So you're the only favorite. No, I think that's
I love my 348. I guess a late one. We agree three away and 348 are the worst two, right?
Yes. Oh, am I going to count the two away? The two away turbo? No, I'm not going to count the two away.
Okay, so three away and 348 are the worst two, right? I'm doing love. I don't know. I got this
for you, Doug. Okay, so I don't know if you're going to go, I don't, I don't like the 48 at all.
To be honest with you, the 488 feels like a normal car that you would just use. There's nothing
exciting about it. There's nothing. It's not thrilling. It's, it's, what do we think the 458 looks
better? What do we think's the best? 355. I don't know. Looks the best. No, I mean, but then the
problem is like, you mean because like the 360, the challenge to all exist, but if I compare
at challenge to all three, oh, it's no, I think just the car has to be like the normal one. The
base car. Yeah, like because we could, we could also put the 360, the windshieldless 360 that they
gave to Lucas, a wedding president. That would win. Obviously, beat number one.
It's also your favorite. What is your favorite? I think we may have to move on, but what's your
favorite? The windshield, the windshield of the normal one. No, we're not going to move on. We're
going to get to this. I'm going to, okay, I'll tell you the, I'm going to look at him right now.
I'm going to tell you here's the order. Number one. As worst about your best, best for 30 for 30 is
the best better than the 458. Number two, 458 had a stick, dude. It had a stick. Well, you four,
five, four base cars. I don't know. I've got it generally. It had a stick. It did generally
seven percent of them have sticks. They're like 12 in the world. It did not know that is
430 because a stick was available. I'm talking about the car in general. Yeah. In general,
they were F1s. It's an F1 car. Number two. It's an F1 car. No, but it's a, it's an F430. Number two,
458. Yeah. Okay. Number three, three, five, five. Okay. Number four, F8. Wow. She's. Number five,
three, 60. Number six, three, 28. Number seven, 48. Number eight, three, eight. Number nine,
three, 48. Boom. I did it. Dude, it's hard. They're all good. They are, that is true. They are all good.
I just don't like, I don't like the F8. I don't like that. So give us your list or best
or worst. Bam it up. It's really hard to think. Look, dude, there are nine cars. Let's go for it.
This is hypothetical again, Kenan. I don't think it's really hard. I think that, I think that
I still think the F3355 reigns supreme. Like it is more of a Ferrari driving experience than the
other ones. Like the 355 is exciting. And the car you started to sell after owning it for that
month. Yeah. Yeah. Because guess what? After all of that paint, I still want one. 355. You
over 430 and 458. 355 over 430. Let me ask you a question. They're both parked in a parking lot.
Which one would you go look at first? I would look at a 355. It's the most beautiful. There's no
question. Except maybe 455. It's the most beautiful. I guess the question was the, my favorite.
You're in the bear favorite. My favorite. That's favorite. No. Yeah, at least the most favorite.
Favorite. But it shouldn't be that. So I went in by the F355 is my favorite. I think that the,
you got to go 430. 430, 458. Just say 458. Yeah, one of the 30. Choose an order. Those two.
I can say like 348 now. No, there was a precursor to 355. All the wedge cars I like way more
than looks like they came later. But I do. 328 should be up there then. That's the one.
I think 328 is probably third. But I think that, I think I would probably, I think the,
I think the 430s would probably be second. I would rather have that than a 458.
Tab. Probably the 328 slash 308. They are kind of, they are. I can put it more nice in the park.
The, um, then I would say probably the 458 after that. Oh, wow. The poor 360.
The old 548. Yeah. What? Get the 308 over the 458. I'd way rather have. I think I,
to own that way rather have a really 380. You get over a laundry all night.
Let's go up the category. The horn goes beep. And it's just, and they were all manuals.
100% of them are manuals. Not 7% to your 430s. Yeah, but then, yeah, I think, yeah,
458 then, then you're stuck on F8, 488, 360 and 348. I think, you're not going to like this,
but it's probably say 360. Yeah. Then, then, then, for, then F8, then, no, then 48, no, yeah, F8,
then 48 at the bottom. Well, then 348. Oh, then 348 at the bottom. 348 at the bottom. Yeah.
You guys are aligned on my barely put it up. Two things. You're aligned as a 348 is the worst. Yeah.
And that is it. No, we're, we're aligned on some more than that. 360s and basically the same spot for
both of us kind of mid-packed. 430s near the top for both of us. And I love 355. 355 is number
three from me. Number one for you. I love it too. I think it's great. I think. Yeah. That's a tough
one. They're all good. It's different from 911s where it'd be very easy. Okay. Next question from
AWGRBR. This is our last good one, our last question, and it's a very good one. You leave that up
for the rest of the day. Thank you. Agreed. What car do you consider to be the baseline for
special enough to take out your phone and snap a picture? I recently saw us Dorado on the road,
and as an adult man, I felt silly for snapping a pic, but there are definitely cars I would
wear as your line. First off, I would snap a pic of every Dorado. I snap a pic of everything.
I took a pic yesterday. What was it? You don't send me this? I got to send it to you. It was
something. Oh, it was an exam. And I was in the courage to see. You don't send me with a template.
And I wanted to be like, last time I saw an exam, which was also a template. I took a picture.
Send it to you. I'm offended. Well, I apologize. I send it. I think if I see a Dodge Stealth,
I saw SVT contour. And I was in the courage to see it. And I took a picture.
No one in our group chat, by the way, seemed to care about why I was being taken to our side.
I'll be honest. Blue right pass. I didn't even do one horse. I do like it. I agree. That one
was a little borderline. But I will often take a picture or ask my wife to take a picture.
And she'll be like, why is that special? I'm not bothered explaining why this
right? Luke Skylarke is special. Right. Oh, if you saw Skylarke. Right. Yeah. I had a buddy
when it took my, that's all to say that my line is low. No, no. The 90s one. Yeah.
Right. He would think that the original was a 20s car. Flipple has a cut off
or all-old cars like built in the 60s before 1981 or built in the 20s. So my line is real low
and peculiar. So I can't answer the question. I take, I will take a picture of a car.
If I know it's important to somebody who I know, like a friend of mine, like if, yeah,
that I would do. Yeah. Like for you, I might not, I don't know if I'd take a picture of an
Abarth for you because I wouldn't hope that you do. But if I saw like a, if I saw, I don't know,
if I saw someone imported a panda and I saw I would take a picture. Conqueror Italian. I took
the picture of that panda four by four. Yeah. I believe in my team. I'll be there next time
because I knew he was like it. I shoot every, I take pictures of everything. I've, I love seeing
the vehicles. Stuff in context. Yeah. I'm a press photographer and I take pictures of everything.
And I really enjoy seeing the pictures. I love setting the pictures. I take pictures for the
right people. And that's that. Are you okay? We will move on. That's the end of our set up today.
Unless Kenan has any parting thoughts for us. Kenan. 355. Yeah.
Cross over star. That's also Barquetta. Fully for you. You got any thoughts for us? Panda four by four.
Panda four by four is your thought. My thought is panda four if we're squared. I don't think about it.
Oh, I'm poor. I told somebody's done one. I have no doubt. Dude, that would be legit.
Yeah, there are guys in Italy right now. We're in suspenders and no shirt who have one of those.
You know what I'm talking about. It feels a little race. Do you have a portal? I don't know.
These are the hill folk. You've fully put those exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't say now.
Look at that. Oh, wow. That's useful.
Okay, everyone. Thank you so much for watching, for participating. Honestly, for sending us your
questions, we thank you. Excellent. This week. The most chaotic podcast yet. It was the best
podcast we've ever done. Thanks primarily to Philippine Kennen. Thank you and to you, Doug.
Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.
About this episode
The discussion kicks off with the fading era of affordable sports cars, particularly under $30,000, and the potential for Dodge to re-enter this market. The hosts debate the viability of a new Camaro and the future of gas-powered vehicles amidst the rise of electric cars, especially from China. They also rank Ferrari V8 models, highlighting the unique characteristics of each. With insights on market trends and personal anecdotes, the episode explores the shifting landscape of automotive preferences and the challenges facing traditional manufacturers.
EV
FCA
foot-pounds of torque
gasoline powered cars
high beams
Newton meters
side skirt
tire chains
V8
Yugo
Alfa Romeo Stelvio
Audi A8
Audi RS4
BMW 5 Series
BMW iX
BMW M3
BMW M5
BMW X3
Buick GNX
Buick Grand National
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Tahoe
Chrysler Crossfire
Delorean DMC-12
Dodge Challenger
Ferrari F355
Ferrari F430
Ford Contour
Ford Mustang
Genesis G90
Honda Odyssey
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Jaguar XK
Lotus Elise
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mercedes-Benz A-Class
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Pontiac Solstice
Porsche 911
Porsche 959
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche Cayman
Scion FR-S
Subaru 360
Subaru BRZ
Toyota Supra
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen ID.3
Volkswagen ID.4
Volkswagen ID.7
Volkswagen ID. Buzz
Xiaomi SU7
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