Full Throttle Talk Nov 19, 2025

The AMG Hammer, Free Cars for 2026 & Uncle Waldo’s $1.2M Porsche Problem

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Car

Porsche 911

The Porsche 911 (964) is a version of the famous 911 sports car made by Porsche. It was produced in the late 1980s and early 1990s and had many improvements compared to earlier models.

Company

Aldersport Systems Group

Aldersport Systems Group is a car repair shop that works on high-performance cars, including Porsches. They help fix and maintain these vehicles.

Term

Motronic

Motronic is a system that helps manage how an engine runs by controlling things like fuel and spark timing. It's important for making sure the engine performs well and efficiently.

Term

DME

DME is a computer system in cars that helps control how the engine works. It makes sure everything is running smoothly and efficiently.

Car

Toyota Land Cruiser

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a large SUV that can handle tough terrains and is built to last. It's popular for both off-road adventures and comfortable driving.

Company

Elephant Racing

Elephant Racing is a company that makes parts to improve the suspension of sports cars. They help make cars handle better and ride smoother.

Part

Bilstein B6

Bilstein B6 shocks help make your car handle better and ride smoother, especially if you're driving on rough roads. They're popular for people who want to upgrade their car's suspension.

Part

H and R sports springs

H and R sports springs lower your car a bit and help it handle better when you turn. They're a common upgrade for people who want a sportier feel from their vehicle.

Part

control arms

Control arms are parts of your car's suspension that help keep the wheels in the right position while driving. They play a big role in how well your car handles and rides.

Part

spring plate bushings

Spring plate bushings are small parts in a car's suspension that help the car's wheels move smoothly. They keep everything working well and reduce wear and tear.

Car

Mini

The Mini is a small and stylish car that many people love to drive. It has a unique look and is known for being fun and easy to handle.

Concept

Porsche only gathering

A Porsche only gathering is a meet-up for people who own or love Porsche cars. It's a chance for them to show off their cars and meet other Porsche fans.

Company

Hagerty Drivers Club

Hagerty Drivers Club is a group for people who love cars. Members get special deals on car insurance and can attend fun car events together.

Car

BMW M3

The E30 M3 is a sporty version of a BMW car that is known for being fun to drive and great for racing. It was made in the 1980s and early 1990s and is very popular among car fans.

Car

Porsche 911 GT3 RS

The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the regular 911 sports car, made for people who love to drive on race tracks. It's lightweight and powerful, which makes it really exciting to drive.

Term

Autobahn

The Autobahn is a famous highway in Germany where cars can drive very fast, sometimes with no speed limits. It's known for being a place where you can really test a car's performance.

Car

AMG Hammer

The AMG Hammer is a fast and powerful car made by Mercedes-Benz. It's known for being a luxury vehicle that has been specially tuned to perform better than regular models.

Car

The AMG Hammer is a special version of Mercedes-Benz cars that was made by AMG, a company known for making fast and powerful cars. They are rare and have a manual transmission, which is less common today.

Term

pre-merger AMG

Pre-merger AMG means the cars made by AMG before they officially joined Mercedes-Benz. These cars are often considered more special and unique because they were built with a lot of performance focus.

Term

manual transmission

A manual transmission is a way to change gears in a car using a stick and a pedal. It gives the driver more control over how the car drives, unlike automatic transmissions that change gears on their own.

Car

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II

The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II is a sporty car that was built for racing. It's known for being fast and having good grip on the road, which makes it fun to drive.

Brand

Mercedes

Mercedes is a famous car brand that makes luxury cars known for their quality and performance.

Company

Ruf

Ruf is a company that takes Porsche cars and makes them even faster and more powerful. They are well-respected in the car world for their modifications.

Company

Koenig

Koenig is a company that makes super-fast versions of already fast cars. They are known for their extreme modifications that can make cars go much faster.

Car

Mercedes-Benz

Mercedes-Benz is a well-known car brand that makes luxury cars. They have many different models, some of which are designed for regular driving and others that are more powerful and sporty.

Car

Mercedes-Benz 500 E

The Mercedes-Benz 500 E is a luxury sports sedan made in the early 1990s. It was built with help from Porsche, which means it has great performance and handling for a car of its size.

Term

sedan

A sedan is a kind of car that has four doors and a trunk. It's usually comfortable and has room for passengers and luggage.

Term

horsepower

Horsepower tells you how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and stronger the car can be.

Term

six liter engine

A six liter engine is a type of engine that has a total size of six liters. Bigger engines usually provide more power, which is why they are often found in performance cars.

Car

BMW E28 M5

The BMW E28 M5 is a fast and powerful version of the BMW 5 Series car made in the 1980s. It's famous for being fun to drive and has a strong engine.

Car

Fiat 500e

The Fiat 500e is an electric car that's a version of the small Fiat 500. It's great for driving around the city because it doesn't pollute the air.

Car

Cadillac CTS

The Cadillac CTS-V is a fast version of the regular Cadillac CTS car. It has a really strong engine that makes it go super fast and is designed for people who like sporty driving.

Car

RUF Yellowbird

The RUF Yellowbird is a fast sports car that was modified from a Porsche 911. It became popular in the 1980s for being very powerful and fast, especially in video games like Gran Turismo.

Car

Porsche 911 Turbo (964)

The Porsche 911 Turbo (964) is a fast sports car that has a turbocharged engine, which makes it more powerful. The 'Yellowbird' is a special version of this car that is very famous for being one of the fastest cars of its time.

Car

Lamborghini Countach

The Lamborghini Countach is a famous super-fast car that was made a long time ago. It's known for its unique and flashy look, making it a dream car for many people.

Car

Porsche 928

The Porsche 928 is a fancy sports car that was made by Porsche for many years. It's different from the more famous Porsche 911 because it has its engine in the front, which makes it a bit more comfortable to drive.

Car

Audi Rs6

The Audi RS6 Avant is a fancy station wagon that's really fast and powerful. It has a lot of space for passengers and cargo, making it great for families who still want a sporty ride.

Car

Porsche Cayenne

The Porsche Cayenne is a high-end SUV made by Porsche, known for being both sporty and practical. It's popular because it offers the performance of a sports car while having the space and comfort of an SUV.

Car

Maserati MC20

The Maserati MC20 is a new super-fast car made by Maserati, known for its powerful engine and cool technology. It's an exciting model that shows Maserati is back in the sports car game.

Car

Ferrari F8

The Ferrari F8 Tributo is a super-fast car made by Ferrari, known for its powerful engine and beautiful looks. It's a dream car for many people who love speed and luxury.

Car

Volkswagen Golf GTI

The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a sportier version of the regular Golf car, which is known for being fun to drive. It's popular because it combines everyday usability with a bit of excitement on the road.

Car

Porsche Carrera T

The Porsche Carrera GT is a super-fast car made by Porsche in the early 2000s. It's known for being really powerful and is rare, making it special among car lovers.

Car

BMW M4

The BMW M4 is a fast and sporty version of the BMW 4 Series car. It's designed for people who want a mix of luxury and excitement when they drive.

Car

Honda Civic

The Honda Civic is a small car that many people love because it's reliable and doesn't use much gas. It's a good choice if you're looking for a car that won't break the bank.

Car

Porsche 718 Cayman GT4

The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a sporty two-door car that's designed for people who love to drive fast. It has its engine in the middle, which helps it handle really well on the road.

Car

BMW Z3M

The BMW Z3 is a small convertible car made by BMW that's fun to drive. It's popular because it's sporty and has a classic look.

Car

Porsche 944

The Porsche 944 is a sporty car made by Porsche in the 80s and early 90s. It's liked by many because it drives well and can be found at a lower price than other Porsches.

Car

Volkswagen Bora

The Volkswagen Bora is a small sedan car that's good for everyday use. It's known for being reliable and comfortable to drive.

Car

Porsche 964

The Porsche 914 is a sporty car made by Porsche in the 70s, known for its unique look and being more affordable than other Porsches. It's loved by many for how fun it is to drive.

Car

Porsche 911 Turbo S

The Porsche 911 Turbo S is a super-fast version of the regular 911 sports car, with a turbo engine that gives it a lot of power. It's known for being one of the best cars to drive quickly.

Car

Porsche Carrera RS

The Porsche Carrera RS is a famous sports car that's really light and made for racing. Many people want to own one because it's special and performs well.

Car

Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV

The Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV is a classic Italian sports car made in the 70s and 80s. It's loved for its unique look and how fun it is to drive.

Car

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So gentlemen, what did you do in cars this week?

Casey, you were first.

So big thing because I've talked about it here before.

I think the 9-11 is fixed.

And it is the basically the shop that I use that's close to the

house, they're called Aldersport Systems Group.

My buddy Jeff there is an awesome guy.

He's been working on 964 since 964 came out.

And Ohm tested absolutely everything in the car.

Basically you fired the car when it was hot and then the car

would turn off.

Very strange.

So went through a whole bunch of stuff.

What we've found that fixed the issue was unplugging and plugging

back in the computer.

Check your connections.

All the leads.

So basically the assumption is that the computer has been

plugged in for 35 years and the perhaps a pin got corroded

something like that.

So basically just unplugging it and plugging it back in the

car has had zero issues.

You've been running it every single day, bringing it up to

temperature, making sure that everything is good.

I was going to go pick it up this afternoon, but I've got some

other plans that popped up.

So that's not the case.

And I had some other stuff to talk about, but that's kind

of the biggest thing that happened to me this week.

I'm excited to hopefully get a couple of weeks to driving

in before I put it up for the winner.

How frequently is it simply a function of unplugging

and plugging your DME to get the car to run right?

I mean, that seems kind of genius, to be honest with you.

That should be like the first go-to?

Well, and actually starting with 84 career when they went

to Motronic, I always tell people, you hear famously

from 84 through 98, everyone carries the DME really late

because they're known to fail and the car's dead.

I've had it happen a couple of times and I've kind of

got freaked out and then you get to the point where

you reach under the seat and you wiggle it and it's

like presto, it works.

We were on a rally, the guy had the same problem.

We did that, turned out inside the DME because like Casey

said, they're 30, 40 years old.

One of the pieces in there had just bounced around

on rallies and had come loose.

So it's one of those things now I add to my checklist,

like once a year, I'm gonna have my mechanic take

the DME out, open it, look at it, make sure everything

looks okay, clean, maybe spray like dust cleaner

out of there and, but you know, it happens.

It's happening.

A lot of that stuff will fail.

Yeah.

No, well I was just gonna say, I had the same thing.

We'd put a, we'd chipped a car, an 84 with a DME

and I was driving it down to Amelia and on the way back,

the car went great all the way down to Amelia

and on the way back, I keep going, it would get

up to temperature and all of a sudden it would quit

and it would, it kept doing it.

I had to finally have the car towed

but what it turned out to be is the tip that we had

inferred it to chip the car out of a pin

with a cold solder on it and you know, it would just

warm up and when it got warm, it would disconnect it

and just shut the car off.

But I wouldn't be surprised at all in Casey's case

if it's just some corrosion on his 964 pins there

and just the act of pulling it out and shoving it

back in, it's amazing on these cars

how much of that stuff that happens, it really is.

And it just, it reiterates the statement

that Paul made in our newsletter that like old car shit

like some people aren't built for it

and I was like, God leave, maybe I should consider,

I don't know, it really bummed me out.

I know that Dave and Tim knew that I was bummed

that the car couldn't make it to Lufth

but I know that it's a growing exercise

and I owned, the interesting thing is

I own significantly older cars and I own new cars.

So this is, this and my Land Cruiser

kind of like that mid old car

and it's just something I got to get used to

but I'm really stoked, I pretty much

I'm gonna order the full elephant racing catalog

to redo my suspension over the winter time

and I'm super stoked on that.

Dave, I might see if you have a wholesale account

with them, but that's beside the point.

And I might too, I might also

but I would do as the temptation is to everyone goes

plus three, plus four, I've gone through their stuff

and their street, their basic street setup is so good.

I don't know what the roads are there

but in California, they're bumpy enough

that anything more aggressive is just annoying.

Okay, so I've got, I've got Bilstein H or B6s

and H and R sports springs already

and basically it's just front and rear control arms,

spring plate bushings, that kind of stuff

is what we're gonna do and wind it down

to probably RS plus like 10 millimeter ride height

and then just let it eat, can't wait.

So Casey, we also want to celebrate with you.

You're wrapping up, selling a five car collection

and this has been, am I correct?

This is your first year where you've been

helping folks sell on the various auction sites

and this has been a really stellar first year

for you doing this.

Obviously you've been the automotive space forever.

I'm just saying with regards to your own gig.

Yeah, so I started, I put it on Instagram yesterday.

I started when I was in, my wife and I went

on a vacation in St. John.

It was five months ago.

I took that week off the podcast

but I took a notebook with me and wrote down goals.

I have a bunch of great clients, family members

that I were in these things by

in the business that I'm in,

I've got a number of clients that have bought

and sold companies for lots of commas

and I basically talked to them about where I should go

and I landed on what I'm doing now

and I set myself a goal and I was happy to say

that the goals end date was yesterday.

It was five months from when I was away

and I far exceeded my goal, which was great.

It gave me the idea that basically

through honesty and transparency,

I can make sure that not only the seller

of the car has a great experience

but also the buyer of the car

which to me is super important

and that's something that I've been,

it's super important to me that's

when I was at Porsche,

so many of my clients were referral based

from that good experience and it's important.

I'd rather always work with referrals than fresh ups.

I'm pretty sure everybody here feels that way

but it felt good and I'm excited to see what's next.

I've got a lot of stuff on the docket coming up.

Well, I mean sales 101, right?

And any successful, someone who sells anything

after usually about five years,

virtually all of their business is gonna come

from past clients in their centers of influence.

And that's true with Jet Sales,

I've coached the number one Mercedes Benz salesperson

in the guy that used to work at Fletcher Jones

and I personally coached him.

All of his business came from his centers of influence

and his past clients.

So you're gonna fast track that.

It's not gonna take you five years.

So congratulations.

And I want you to talk about that David Brown Mini

a little bit further in the show

because I'm generally absolutely interested in what that is.

Dave, what did you do in cars this week?

I had a great week, a couple of events

that we had at Sundeworks.

We did a Thursday night target bar,

which I've talked about before.

It's basically a Porsche only gathering and so on.

That was great, attended by about 35 cars.

Great proud, the weather was fantastic.

I don't think I was, you know,

seeing more than, great event.

Sorry, I won't dwell on that one.

The other thing we did,

we partnered with Hagerty Drivers Club

to do a Saturday morning event, Euro event,

kind of a Euro concor.

Lots of great European stuff that showed up,

including some of the cars I have here,

the one behind me.

There you go, Hagerty Drivers Club.

You know, nice E30 M3.

We had some clown shoe action.

I mean, we had,

we probably had about 75, 80 cars there.

So here's my, for those of you who are able to view this,

this is a video I'm throwing up

that shows some of the cars

that were there on the Saturday morning.

And a lot of Porsches for sure,

but we had a really big BMW contingent as well.

So, and anybody that ever shows up at Sundeworks

always has a good time

only because, you know,

there's always good stuff to look at.

No matter whether or not you're bringing a car or not,

I've got probably 30 or 40 cars always here on the lot.

So there's something for everybody to take a look at.

I did get a chance

to drive the GT3 RS a little bit over the weekend.

I had my wife in it.

She's not a,

somebody that really enjoys this kind of thing.

And I watched her as she was looking over at her phone

as we're ripping down the highway and so on.

And, you know, ultimately,

I thought I kind of got one over on her

as we were driving about 120.

And she kind of blessed me on it later on.

Allegedly.

In Mexico or on an island.

By the way, can I give you my marital hack for that?

Sure. Okay.

I'll just cut to it.

And I'm not a, you know, a drug dealer or a doctor

or a physician.

I knew that's where,

I knew this is where it was going.

Of course, half a Xanax brother.

I mean, okay.

That's it.

You got to, you got to dose this.

You know, no, I'm not saying, you know,

Rufi, I'm just saying half the Xanax solves

a lot of the problems with regards to slow down.

I'm going to puke and all this.

And you've been married for how many years?

35 this year.

It all makes sense now.

No, I'm not saying constantly, Paul.

Oh.

I'm not saying, hold it.

What are you slipping it in the orange juice, Tim?

What are you doing here?

I'll have to, in a couple of weeks

is my parents 60th wedding anniversary.

And maybe this is what their trick is.

I don't know.

I'll have to ask my dad.

I told her, I wanted to mirror your trip to Germany

that you did.

Right.

And she's like,

I can tell right away her level of enthusiasm

is like less than zero.

And then I kept on bringing it up, bringing it up.

And she goes, well,

I just don't want to go there

and have you scare the crap out of me

on the Autobahn or whatever,

which, you know,

if that's one of the top three things that somebody does.

And I say, Julie, just bring your friends, Annie.

And then she, then now we're booking the trip.

Oh, you've got a nickname.

Yeah.

You think there might be a problem?

No, she's the same prescription

she's had for like three years.

But yeah, I don't know about that.

So there's my little marital tip,

Ford slash, let's see if YouTube bans our show

for me having talked about drugs.

Look at, look at Kasey's expressive reaction.

Yeah, but he knew.

So stoic.

All right, Paul, up to you.

What do you got?

I got to meet my childhood hero.

And they always say, oh, don't meet your hero.

And I always say absolutely because they'll meet up to it.

I got to drive the car in the background,

which is a true AMG hammer.

Here's another picture of it.

It's the one on the left.

So my client and good friend Brent

has one of the best 90s collections of Porsches.

And he like about the same age as me.

He went to the Gooding auction.

And if you remember back in March,

because Kasey's client bought the two door,

he bought the four door.

And these are the only true pre-merger AMG

six liter hammers that came with a manual transmission.

It was funny when we-

That's crazy that your guy has the other one.

That's so funny.

Did you tell him that I look after the other one?

Yeah, I did.

And he's like, what are the odds?

Cause I posted something in case he said,

oh, I'm managing the manual.

And then I go, wait a minute,

I thought mine was the only one.

And I actually didn't know what he was gonna drive.

And this was sort of a celebration

of me being able to drive a manual again.

He says, I'm gonna, you know, basically showed up.

He goes, his brother-in-law showed up

in the evolution two,

which is another insanely awesome car.

I mean, look at, look at that.

I mean, imagine that pairing.

How awesome is it?

But just kind of a quick origin story.

You know, there's certain things

when you're a teenager that make an automotive impression

that's so indelible that it just sticks with you.

And it never goes away.

And one of those, and I mentioned it in our newsletter,

I remember to think we got,

my dad got road and track and auto week.

The road and track would sit in his office at home.

I grab it, I would just pour through it,

take a day and a half.

And when I got to the tour towards the back,

there was this picture that I got to talk to Jeff Swarck.

I'll bet you he took the picture.

They had a red AMG hammer automatic,

which was the press car for the US.

It got trounced all over the US.

And it's got a picture of the speedometer.

You could tell it's a Mercedes.

You could see the automatic thing.

You could see it's red.

The background's blurry

and the needle's pegged at 180 miles per hour.

Which a four door sedan,

you know, people forget like this was the OG,

Autobahn sleeper bomber.

BMW wasn't doing that.

And the cool thing about AMG were, you know,

they had a gentleman's rule in Germany.

No one goes over 150 or 155.

They just sort of gave it the middle finger

and said, we're gonna go as fast as you want.

When they did that famous test with Roof,

what put Roof on the map,

remember when they roof did 211

and they had Koenig and all these other crazy cars.

If you look in the background,

they had the red AMG ham or one of the AMG hammers.

So he shows up and I get to drive it

and you could see it's the beginning

of what we experienced in AMG today,

which is that hot rod.

But back in the 80s, Mercedes was so stoic.

They weren't doing these kind of crazy loud.

This thing rumbles.

It sounds like a charger.

We've fortunately-

Can I ask you questions?

Can I ask you questions about it?

I'm just excited about it.

So no, no, obviously it's amazing.

But what is it in case you can help me out here too?

What are these cars honestly like to drive?

Because having driven cars,

Mercedes from that generation,

they got, I mean, the non-AMG ones

got a little bit wonky steering, okay?

There's, you know, they're built like

the best cars in the world ever.

I mean, you could really tell

because I've owned a 500 E.

The 500 E is Mercedes response

to AMG hammer using Porsche.

And you could just see it was a little buttoned up.

It was a little tight.

Like I came flying around a corner

and maybe my expectation was low

because it's a heavy, big sedan.

But it was really athletic.

Like it seems like a car that you would wanna take

on a Canyon, it wouldn't be as fast as a Porsche.

But I think it'd be really fun.

Like the back end would kind of stick out

a little bit in a very controlled manner.

It just feels rowdy.

Like it, in the horsepower at 380 seems underrated.

And by the way, look at this interior.

It's all buffalo.

And by the way, just a quick note,

this sold at Gooding for $753,000.

But the estimate was like, what was it Casey?

1.2 million?

It's like in the mid ones.

That's why my client bought it

because he thought it was a deal.

Exactly the same reason my client bought it.

And I'm sitting there going, is it a deal?

And would they make 20 of these AMG hammers?

Well, the thing about it,

so a hammer, I think somebody's gonna correct me,

but I think it needed to have a couple of the boxes checked

from AMG like it had to be, was yours a wide body?

No, not a wide body.

So I think it had to have the six liter in it,

which was like a 30,000 Deutschmark upgrade

or something like that.

And a couple other boxes checked.

Mine's a wide body car and I'll tell you that

other than hearing about AMG hammers,

like I think it was probably maybe the generation before me,

like maybe 10 years, Paul, you're probably what?

10 years older than I am.

I have never felt the attraction to that car.

So when I drove it, like I was like,

wow, this is a really expensive car.

And it was really put together well.

The one that I look after is a two door

and it's a wide body and the gentlemen that own these cars,

my client that I look after his cars,

he has procured a number of cars from that collector

and all of his cars are the best cars in the world.

Like there is no questions, they're so sorted,

completely documented, thoroughly detailed and just choice.

So I know that the car that I drove is right.

To echo Paul's sentiment, it is rowdy,

but I didn't have that lineage of having

that history behind it.

So for me, it didn't necessarily blow my hair back,

but it is a really awesome car and anybody that,

there you go, anybody that,

like there's the space that I work out of,

there's a Mercedes shop that's nearby

and I drove the car by and the guy that works

at the Mercedes shop lost his mind.

Like it was for him, it was the poster car,

but just for me, it wasn't.

Yeah, for me, it wasn't, but it is awesome.

It has a crazy cult following, people really love them.

It just didn't, it just isn't my archetypal,

it doesn't pull my heart strings.

What's interesting what you're saying

is you're in your early 40s, Paul's in his mid 50s.

I don't know how Dave's,

I think Dave's like probably in his 20s.

I'm not really sure.

30, 33.

Exactly.

But yeah.

But the long years,

the window for when cars are supposed to be like the car,

it's really small, right?

I mean, I remember the road and tracks,

I remember those cars in the 80s,

I remember those, all that stuff,

pomp and circumstance about these special cars,

but that was maybe over a five year span,

maybe a seven year span.

And then the next pretty girl thing came along

and you being more than 10 years,

younger than us is completely different.

And I just wonder as you,

I hear you guys talking about $734,000 being a good deal.

Who's buying that?

Who's going to buy it from them?

Maybe another Jen Akser, I don't know.

But I mean, that's a good point

and going what to Casey said,

I think you had to have this sort of anchor

from that period of time.

And my anchor was there was nothing like this.

Like it's hard for people in Casey's age and younger

to understand monster sedans.

Like sedans were just boring.

And you're reading about this,

the drag coefficient of that four door was like 0.25.

Doesn't look like it.

But I mean, that car was heavily engineered

to go really fast.

And then all of a sudden the E28M5 pops up on the scene,

the 500E and you know,

I mean, the closest we had to that was the Mercedes.

Remember the 63 and the 69 and the early 70s

and late 70s and those were like iconic

and you go drive one of those and you're like,

what's the big, like what you're experiencing with that?

When I've driven a 63 or 69,

which I thought my dad really wanted.

And I was like, eh.

And I think these cars for myself and maybe Dave and Tim,

it was just the origin story of these crazy sedans.

By the way, CTS, the black wings that are coming out,

all of it is tied together to that.

And we're just, we're detuned

and we're just used to 700 horsepower in a sedan.

Yeah.

Well, here's something that, here's a little bit of a pivot.

So that same era, mid-80s,

the other amazing tuner car in the world

was the roof yellowbird.

That appeals to me because everybody's heard the story

about how Mrs. Roof got them to put it in Gran Turismo.

So that type of car appealed to me

because Gran Turismo came out

when I was what, 14, 15 years old.

And then I've got that embedded in me

even though I've always been a Porsche guy,

that roof still tugs at my heartstrings.

And here's the funny thing with Casey

is that anchor point for you with Roof,

I love the yellowbird too

because probably like Tim and Dave,

I saw the magazine article.

I remember the road and track

where it just said in bold,

this yellow car, 211 miles an hour.

And from something that didn't look

like a Lamborghini Countach,

it looked kind of pedestrian.

It looked like the 911 from the 70s.

I just remember, I mean, that was,

I would say seeing the 928 at the LA Auto Show

for the first time,

the AMG Hammer, a Countach in person

at Tommy LaSorta's nephew's house.

Long story there.

And then the roof yellowbird.

I mean, those are the four things

that just like I would love to have all four

of those cars and just I'm done.

See ya.

Well, that's actually segment three.

So stay tuned, right?

All right.

So as far as what I did in cars this week,

I helped Julie detail her,

Alfa Romeo, Quadrifilio, Julia.

And as Casey's fond of saying,

when you're in Puerto Rico,

there's not a lot of other driving round opportunities

that one might have.

I did not drive the Ferrari

and I did spend some time on my Sim,

but I'm not in the car business.

So I live vicariously through these three gentlemen.

All right.

So let's move on next to automotive news.

I'm gonna start because this is kind of interesting.

And I'm gonna tell you why I found this was interesting.

I did some research on this thing,

the best I can.

So there's this company and one of you guys

who maybe can pronounce whatever language

that is better than me.

I put a picture of it.

How do we do this?

Is that Al?

There you go.

You got it.

That was it.

I'm learning.

Yay.

Look at that.

So that's an Audi RS6

that's a company called Pan, I don't know.

It's Pangea,

which isn't that like when the Earth

was just one land mass,

isn't that what Pangea is?

Yeah, that was the,

you know, all the continents together.

Before the planet like separated into continents,

it was Pangea,

which was one,

and today's geography lesson,

the more you know,

bing.

All right then.

Well, so Pangea GT,

all right.

And so what they're doing,

and again, I'll go through this relatively quick.

It is supposedly over a million dollars.

Nobody knows for sure.

And of course it's all carbon fiber

and it's, you know,

bespoke this and fancy that, right?

And I put up more pictures,

but if you're interested in it,

we'll put the notes in the show

and you can go look at this yourself.

The reason I found it was interesting

is because they're making 25 of these.

I'm sure it's going to be some super exclusive,

special thing.

And it does feel to me

that in that segment of the market,

that as it becomes easier,

or I'd say special cars

from the big manufacturers

become less special

cause they're more ubiquitous,

that you're going to see more

of these manufacturers

singer eyes.

Okay. This is what I found interesting.

These newer special cars.

So just like, you know,

we were just talking about EMG.

And I wonder if that's going to be a trend.

I wonder if someone's going to take

the Audi RS6, you know,

performance and you know,

there you go.

Or maybe they're going to do it

for another special car

cause there's only a handful of cars

that enthusiasts all will agree

are truly special cars

that 10 years, 20 years from now

people will like

whether that's one of them or not

that's your a matter of opinion.

But what do you guys think?

Do you think this is going to start?

Well, the,

the singer rising thing has been happening

for retro cars

like alcoholics and things like that.

Old cars,

old cars,

which making old cars usable for today.

I do want,

I mean, I was really excited to see

it was an estate or a wagon

because it looks bitchin.

I love the roof,

you know, the roof scoop.

But the thing is,

you know,

new Audi's just sort of,

all these new luxury like cars like that

just tank and value so quickly.

Is that why they're doing it?

Or I don't know.

I think they're making 25

cause they're hoping that's all they,

they can sell 25.

I don't think they're going to,

that's kind of a lot of money though.

So, but,

but companies have been doing this

for a long, long time, right?

I mean, look at even just roots

that we're just talking about.

I mean, they're taking bottom cars

or AMG or any of these other ones.

I think this is just another one

grabbing one of these cars

and trying to make it even ultra hyper exclusive

and expensive.

And because I'm sure that the difference in performance

while horsepower will be probably up,

I'm sure the handling and so on

isn't going to be markedly different.

I mean, it may be,

they may argue with me about that, but,

you know,

it's a million dollar

RS6 is a lot of money for us.

Is that how much you're selling it for?

It's a million?

I read, so it's a million,

supposedly starting at a million euros

which would be about a million to 50 US

that I read someplace else.

I had AI researchers for me.

It was supposedly over 2 million euros.

Sounds like money lawn here.

I mean, it's like,

it's like man's story.

It's like man's story or something like that, you know?

Well, okay.

So, but I'm just conceptualized

I'm intellectualizing about

if they could sell 25 of those at that price point,

that's going to open the door for a whole lot more of people

to start these little, you know, companies,

especially with 3D printing

and carbon fiber becoming somewhat easy

to manufacture in China.

So who knows?

Are you guys ready for a snarky Casey comment?

Please.

So this is,

so the reason why Tim brought this up

is he's,

he's hoping that this company will be huge

and we'll start buying up all of the RS6s

like Singer did with 964s.

So he can get back some of that equity

that he lost in his RS6.

That is not too far from the truth.

Hot take.

Yeah, ours is gone.

Ours is a 2021, 130 to probably 90, I'm guessing.

It's an awesome car.

Enjoy it.

Yeah.

One of our editors,

when Casey has his snarkiness,

like have some kind of music queue,

maybe illusioning like a stamp that goes,

Casey, like dun dun dun,

Casey snarky point.

All right, I love that.

Sorry, dramatic.

All right.

Well, so anyway,

that's what I found to be most interesting.

There wasn't really a lot

of interesting automotive news this week.

Well, let's see what you guys have to offer.

Casey, you are next.

Okay.

So they just announced the new Cayenne electric

like an hour ago,

but I don't care.

So we're going to talk about,

I made a comment the other day

about how I don't watch new car reviews

because I just,

I'm not super interested,

but I will tell you that

on the Hagerty YouTube channel,

possibly the best video

I have ever seen

regarding cars online came out.

Henry Catchpole did a deep dive

into the history of Dolara.

And he also reviewed the new Dolara car

that they have built,

which is insane.

So I'm not going to go too deep into it,

but Dolara is a chassis manufacturer.

They have built some of the most incredible cars on earth,

including the Ferrari that has won Le Mans

the last three times.

So the Maserati MC20,

like they've super,

super cool company.

I definitely recommend watching the video,

but they put together a 200,000 euro car

that's a carbon fiber monocoque

that looks kind of like a fighter jet

that has a Ford EcoBoost motor in it.

And it's just insane.

And I've never wanted a new car

more than that car after watching that video.

I really think like the amount of sense of occasion

in this thing is insane.

So wait, is that what's behind you?

Is that?

No, that's a,

so Dolara also built this.

My client owns this car.

That's the tooth that actually,

I don't know if that's the exact one or not,

but that's the,

that's a Cadillac DPI.

My client owns the 2019 Daytona winner Cadillac DPI car,

but Dolara also built that chassis.

So it's a really,

so check out the video.

It's insane.

Where they drove it in Italy looked awesome.

It's just really, really cool.

So after you finish listening to the podcast,

go check it out on the Haggerty YouTube channel.

Who's doing better videos than Haggerty right now,

by the way?

It's so good.

And Henry is awesome.

Jason's great.

There's that.

They do a series now called Driveway Fines,

which I love as well.

That's a great series, Red.

I mean, they really have it knocked out of the park.

I'm definitely going to watch that.

Thanks for that tip.

That's great.

Dolara, isn't it a British company?

Am I wrong?

No, they're Italian.

Italian, okay.

And their core business has been making

race car chassis in essence, correct?

Yep.

And doing a whole lot of,

I mean, they'll go,

they go deep into it in the video.

It's awesome.

I mean, so good.

So Casey, you should set the new goal

for November,

what is it?

19.

26.

26, you'll have a Dolara,

what you just described.

Would you buy one, Casey?

I just want my 964 to run, man.

That's all I care about.

No, I think that was an easy layout.

No, I appreciate expensive cars.

I mean, it'd never be homologated

for United States use,

but I'm happy with my 911.

Casey, you do have an expensive car.

A 964 is an expensive car.

Well, it's expensive now

because I had to double my initial investment

in making it run.

But anyway, now it runs.

Yes. Well, there you go.

Dave, you're up next.

We're going to put Paul with his gloomy news last

since I try to talk him out of doing it like five times.

Go ahead, Dave.

That'll be good.

This is interesting.

We have not talked about this car yet

or, you know, this SUV slash truck and so on,

but Scout Motors,

which is part of the VW group, obviously.

So, you know, near and dear to our hearts, of course,

they announced this week

that they were opening a headquarters here

in the Charlotte area,

which I thought was, wow, that's kind of cool.

And that news in of itself wasn't all that great,

meaning, you know, okay,

that's great for the Charlotte community.

These cars are going to be built down in South Carolina.

So they needed a place for the corporate headquarters.

What did catch my attention though

is they're going to hire about 1200 people.

They're moving 350 or so down from Virginia

down to this new headquarters,

which is just outside the city center

in an area that's really developing around here,

but that the average employee salary

was going to be $150,000 times 1200 employees.

And I'm thinking, yeah, that's a lot of money.

I mean, that's a big number for this area.

If you're literally going to bring in 1200 employees

and that's the average salary.

Now, I don't know if that'll turn out to be true,

but it's mostly finance guys, sales guys,

that sort of stuff, right?

So Paul, or any of you guys looked into this car,

looked at it?

I mean, I think it comes out next year, year after the,

and it's supposed to have some kind of combo,

hybrid and onboard electrical gas-powered generator

that will allow it to get 500 miles of range, I think.

I mean, it's a cool idea.

It's sort of like, if you look at old,

like caterpillar and land-moving equipment,

those are electric powered wheels

with a giant diesel motor creating entered,

they can't have axles and drivetrain.

So I think it's the same idea.

We have a ICE generator that's powering electric motor,

which is, I mean, 50 years from now,

that may seem kind of weird, but for now,

and I don't know if it was because Scout

was gonna make that all electric and they scrambled

and they said, ooh, this isn't a good time

for an all electric.

I don't know what.

You can buy it both ways.

You can buy it all electric

with a 300 and some odd mile range,

or you buy it with this extended range pack,

which adds the electric motor generator,

and then give the car another 200 miles.

Is it being built?

So it's being built here,

so it's gonna be a US-focused thing

as in other markets as well?

I don't know about where it's shipping worldwide,

but $60,000 is supposed to be the starting price

for both this and the pickup truck that's based on it.

It's obviously that cool kind of retro.

Everybody loved the Scout back in the 60s through 80,

I think, is when they stopped making them.

People that are redoing these cars,

as you know, and they were kind of the-

They're gonna compete against the Rivian.

Sure.

I think the Rivian is a lot more expensive.

No?

I think it's in the same price range.

I mean, when they say starting, it's 60 though.

I think they're 10% or 15% more, maybe.

Maybe that's their competitive edge

is one, we have this ICE generator in range,

and two, we're gonna be a little bit lower price point.

The Rivians will probably be performance-wise

much higher level.

I like the way this looks better than the Rivian though.

I do too.

Yeah, cool.

And I think it's pretty incredible.

I'm just curious, South Carolina,

where they're gonna be building these,

is that an all-new manufacturing facility?

Yep.

Wow, that's awesome.

That's light wood South Carolina.

So South Carolina's got a lot of action

on automotive manufacture down there for sure.

So I'm sure it's one of the reasons they picked it.

Would you guys be surprised if all of a sudden,

since it's a Volkswagen factory,

you start hearing about,

looks like they're gonna be building porchutes there too.

Would you guys be surprised?

I would not be surprised if McConn start getting,

that seems like the low hanging fruits

to build a McConn there for sure.

I mean, where do we go?

And by the way, Dave, all these salaries,

they're gonna be going over the border

and start building hot rod porches with you.

So you should be in good shape.

Or he's gonna have to pay more.

That's a lot of money though.

I mean, seriously, and for 1200 people,

that's a lot of money.

Well, I mean, you're not talking,

you're talking about average, not median, right?

So how much of that is actually going to the top?

That's true.

One guy making $10 million and the rest are making 65.

But it tells me in your particular area,

that's where, or in that Charlotte area,

that's where all the engineering

is gonna be happening, right?

That's the guys that are gonna get most of the money.

All right, go ahead, Paul, let's hear it.

This is actually happy news.

There's one less YouTuber to deal with

and one less Ferrari on the road.

No, just kidding.

I feel bad for any kind of car getting caught on fire.

But yeah, very, and I'll keep it very light and quick.

This is a YouTuber, Whistlin' Dixie.

He's kind of known for buying exotic, expensive cars

and doing stupid, horrible things with them for clicks.

This was a Ferrari.

I forgot which one it was.

He bought, you know, Tim, it's a Ferrari F8,

it's a Ferrari F8 Tributo.

He bought it just to supposedly,

based on the source, the drive, to literally destroy.

And he was racing through some kind of cornfield.

It caught on fire, big surprise.

And as a result, if you look closely,

he's got a Montana plate.

It caught the eye of the tax people.

In Tennessee, they made it very public arresting.

Now, here's the thing is

and I kind of raised an eyebrow to that

because he has set up sort of fake arrests

in other states to get post on his Instagram

and his social media and get clicks.

You know, he was booked, he does have a mugshot,

but it's not only all over his Instagram

and social media pages.

It's also on the police in Tennessee

and their social media pages.

So yes, he got arrested.

Yes, he's probably gonna get fined.

I think they're talking $400,000.

No, no, no, no, no.

It was taxes on basically the purchase price.

So the amount of money-

No, but there's also fines on top of that for late-

Tennessee, not California.

Like I said, it's not a good topic.

So the point is, maybe they'll burn one less Ferrari.

Maybe they'll be a little more careful

or just put no plate on it.

I don't know what, but anyway,

I'm keeping it light for you, Tim.

I won't get into the California and the Montana LLC.

What a cool collab, you know?

That guy in the state getting their Instagram hits up.

All right, next segment, let's go.

Yeah.

Is that lighting up, Tim?

Was that lighting up?

Casey made it perfect,

but why do we not freaking see that?

It's a collaboration, of course.

It is.

It's a hundred percent a collaboration.

What kind of products are they selling

during these press releases and on their videos?

I mean, hats.

Hats.

Hats and car hearts.

I mean, can't you see blip shift?

Like there's your new T-shirt for blip shift.

Oh my gosh.

Let's get the hell off this topic, honestly.

I do, but I want to talk about what's happening

to the small dealers in California

with what you guys are having to go through

because it's really tragic,

but truthfully, I don't know how to build momentum

after that because it's too sad.

Well, I could just, I could tell you right now

that there's the CDTFA,

California Department of Tax and Fees Administration

is going after 500 small dealers,

not the auto nations, not the car maxes,

none of the big ones.

They're going after small dealers like ourselves,

500 of them, which probably makes up

over 25% of the small dealers in our state

for 1,500 cars that they think are registered

out of state but didn't leave the state.

Let me explain it just really briefly, okay?

So if Paul sells a car to a California resident

and there is not proof that the car got shipped

out of state via to Montana or any other place,

then they're going after, tell me if I'm wrong,

they're holding the dealer accountable

for not having charged the sales tax.

They're going after the dealer who sold the car

even though the owner took title, took the whole thing.

He says, Paul, look, I'm not registering the car here.

I've got a ranch in Montana.

I'm going to register it in Montana.

Paul sells the car, Paul does the paperwork,

everything's done correctly, money is received,

everybody's happy.

But because the car ended up living in California,

somehow that's Paul's, I don't know how

you're supposed to frickin' know that

and then that what the state is doing

because very rarely are they actually able to do anything

against the person with the Montana LLC.

It's virtually like less than two, what was it, Paul?

One in 2,000 chance that you're going to have

any probability of any problems with any,

any of these states that are running these headlines

about going after people with Montana LLCs,

where there's an article in the newsletter about it.

But what breaks my heart,

and I think all of you guys will understand,

is they're holding small dealerships,

small business owners like Paul accountable

to something that he has no control over ever.

And it makes no sense.

And I explain it like this, when you're a kid

and you're, let's say you've never played Monopoly

and you're playing Monopoly with your friend

for the first time who knows the game.

Imagine because he knows you don't know the game

and it's your first time.

He just keeps changing the rules as you play along.

And you go, oh, I land in here like, not quite.

You think you landed there,

but you actually, when you land on boardwalk,

you gotta move back eight spaces and pay me $500.

And essentially, when we started the business,

it said, you had to collect a bill of ladings

showing that the car left the state.

Great, we collect bill of ladings.

The car left the state,

went to Arizona, Nevada, wherever.

Then they said, well, no, you have to get the MC number,

the motor carrier number and the DOT number

and verify that that truck picking up the car

is licensed and bonded to transport vehicles

to other states.

Fine, I have to get that.

Now they're saying that when we sell a car

to someone out of state, we have to verify

that they don't have a California's driver's license.

And now, as you know, many of our clients,

especially ones who ship out of state,

have houses all over.

They have houses in five, 10 different states.

Their cars are legitimately moving all over the country.

Okay, I want the car to be in Scottsdale for January.

Okay, I want it to be in Seattle for August, whatever it is.

And then it may end up in California

because it's at a repair shop that they like to use.

And they really are these transient vehicles.

So if they don't have a driver's license out of state,

I have to get a copy of the driver's license

and then sign this form proving,

but here's the thing is you get one of these people

from the tax people and they're all rookies.

And this one guy says,

oh, you have to have the truck driver and the owner

when they take delivery,

notarize that they are actually out of state.

Go to somewhere where they're going to stamp

and show they're out of state.

I go, most of my clients aren't even around.

They're not even in state when the car gets delivered.

It goes to the shop.

And can you imagine getting a truck driver

to stop at a UPS store to notarize something

with their 18-year?

They're going after the small dealers

for what they perceive the unpaid sales tax

that should have been paid by the customer.

That's really the bottom line.

And small dealers selling less than 100 cars

or 200 cars per year,

you guys don't have that kind of fricking money.

It's ridiculous.

So what this ultimately is is essentially a bullying tactic

to get you guys to settle, which is crazy.

So I'm Dave, Casey, you guys are in the business.

Have you guys ever heard of anything with Straconian?

No.

I think that the California scenario is extreme

as it often is in California, right?

I mean, it's obviously a big state

and they're looking at it as lost for revenue

and they're looking for all the revenue they can get.

I don't know.

I haven't heard anything that Straconian here

in North Carolina.

And it's not, I've got no notices of such thing

from the, you know, community here.

I haven't heard North Carolina or even Maryland,

but the two other states and really what sparked it

was Utah has gotten really even worse.

And Illinois, when basically,

before you're allowed to register the vehicle

or sell it, you have to go through

what I just explained before the sale,

which could just kill the buyer right off the bat.

So yeah.

I do see a lot of, I see, you know,

when you're looking at cars like we all do,

depending on if you're looking at a dealer,

I'll definitely see some notes

at the bottom disclaimers of late,

depending on where that car is located,

saying no Montana.

Well, I mean, so Paul, I take back what I said

about this being a crappy thing to talk about

because the reality of it is it was a good thing

to talk about because what if someone's about

to do business and buy a car in California

and they're being put through this paper grinder

and not understanding what the hell's going on.

So if you're in the situation

and you're wanting to buy a car

from a dealer in California,

understand that they got no choice.

They're just trying to survive.

And so, I mean, again,

I'm sorry that you guys are going through that truthfully.

It breaks my heart.

And by the way, just a helpful tip.

If you're in California and you like cars like us

and you have, let's say, five to 10 or more toys

and having five toys is not hard

and they don't have to be expensive.

You could have a right-hand drive JDM thing.

You could have, you know, a GTI or whatever.

You might just look at getting a wholesale dealers license

because that is the one last loophole left for car people.

Let's move on.

They're listening.

They're going to close that.

They're going to close that loophole soon now, Paul.

We're not that big.

Full Throttle talks doing a collab with California's

Department of Revenue for California.

Department of Tax.

Well, if they want to sponsor the show,

I'm sure that you guys probably wouldn't put much of a fight.

All right, let's move on.

Let's go to listener questions.

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We got, I mean, running out.

My supply's running out.

Actually, Tim, the newsletter is free for now.

Subscribe now before there's a paywall on the newsletter.

Oh, a little FOMO there.

Why didn't I think of that one too?

Man, I'm really falling behind today.

Time of year.

All right, let's move on to segment three.

Listener questions and comments.

And this is something we've had on the docket

for, I believe, two weeks in a row.

Really fun topic.

And I'm hoping that our, uh-oh, Casey's now,

he's really, look at him.

Bro, he's ready to pounce.

Bring it on, bitches.

All right, we have happened to have

Porsche Club of Americas go to expert on 997s.

And so here's the question.

And we're gonna be talking about 997.1 versus 997.2.

And I'm just gonna read this as I cut and pasted it.

What about 997 versus 997.1.2?

This topic was suggested by a listener,

especially since we're getting ready to bring

and oh, this is Casey, I think.

An 05 997.1 with factory replacement engine to market.

I am tired of, oh, this is definitely Paul.

I am tired of 997.2 manual hype

and the values that reflect it.

It's like a modern debate of the G50 Carrera

versus the Carrera and the SCs.

This is not my wheelhouse.

So I'm just gonna sit back and shut up.

Casey gets to go first and see as the expert

and see if Paul can add anything to it.

And of course, Dave.

So at the end of the day,

997 second gen cars are more reliable

than 997 first gen cars.

They have less moving parts.

They have less issues in the long run.

They are more modern vehicles.

So that is why 997 second gen cars

will always be worth more than 997 first gen cars,

especially because when those cars came out

in the United States,

the United States was in a bad spot in 2008, nine, and 10.

So the majority of those vehicles

got sent to emerging markets.

So I personally enjoy the power band and noise

of a first gen 997 car

as opposed to a second gen 997 car.

But when you're selling a car,

when you're selling anything,

the goal is to remove objection.

The less objection you have,

the more likely someone would buy whatever you're selling.

And if you remove things like IMS bearings

and bore scoring,

which is more prevalent in first generation cars

than second generation cars bore scoring,

that is because second generation cars

do not have IMS bearings.

The second generation car will always be worth more.

Does that mean it's a better car?

I don't know.

Yeah.

What do you think though, Casey?

What do you think?

I mean, honestly, having literally sold these things now,

if you had-

So, well, now that I get comments and questions

from people in the Porsche Club of America

that have issues with their cars,

and unfortunately it's like being on the internet

where the only people that ever talk about things

on the internet are either super happy or super pissed,

I get a lot of super pissed

because I got one the other day that said,

I read all this stuff and I can't believe I'm saying this,

but I don't think I'm going to buy a water cooled 911

because I read all this stuff on the internet.

And I've seen things where people

with aftermarket IMS bearings,

the engines still blow up and those sorts of things.

But at the end of the day,

it's an older car.

It all comes down to the person that owned it before you.

It all comes down with the maintenance

that was provided on the vehicle.

And what I tell everybody is make sure you do

a thorough pre-purchase inspection

to make sure that the car that you are buying

is to your expectations

and it's gonna cost you $1,000

to have somebody bore scope a motor

and pull the plugs out of it.

But if you want peace of mind,

that's what you do and change your oil

twice as often as Porsche suggested.

So you guys are, you're focusing on all the right things

but the question that the listener may have had

or I mean, I know Paul wrote this,

but is the driving experience

and the actual like ownership experience,

how would that differ?

And that's, and by the way,

thanks to Tim Edwards for the thing.

And it sort of sparked by this 2005

Polar Silver paint to sample 997.1

that early in its life,

it had the serviceable IMS bearing.

It failed under warranty

and it got the newest upgraded motor

which has the non-serviceable IMS bearing.

Now here's the challenges.

I think a lot of people have been,

I'm gonna use it, bring a trailer as a verb

because they start reading this stuff

and they don't even know what they're talking about.

They're just going IMS, RMS, LNN.

I mean, just throwing things out there

they don't know about

and to kind of dovetail into what Casey said,

these are old cars, these are 20 year old cars now.

15 to 20 year old cars,

a lot of the things that mattered when new

are almost irrelevant

because now it depends on how they lived,

where they lived, the failure rate,

we hear things like bore scurrying is more common

in areas with big temperature swings,

people who use the wrong bad gas or the wrong oil

and this goes back to what Casey said,

you've got to get a really good inspection.

Going back to what Tim was talking about,

the 997.1s are more fun to drive

and the 997.2, the values are tied into,

it's the perfect supply and demand.

Everyone's afraid of the 0.1s

because of these serviceable things

and they're gonna be expensive.

Oh, what's the price difference?

Casey and Dave, what's the-

I'm talking, I would say if you had an apples to apples

a C2S manual coupe,

you're probably talking 20 to 35%

for the same thing as a 0.2.

Give me a dollar amount.

So like this one in the background,

this is a 60,000 mile engine replace,

paint to sample kind of car.

It's gonna be in the high 50s.

If this was exactly the same, but a 0.2,

let's just say it was a silver 0.2 with 60,000 miles.

Instead of high 50s, it might be in the high 70s.

And the driving experience-

I would tell you, Paul,

that if you had a .2 paint to sample

Polar Silver car with a stick,

that'd be $100,000.

$100,000.

And here's the irony is the Delta is enough

to not only rebuild that 0.1 motor

to be way more reliable than the 0.2,

but also more fun.

Because one thing we haven't really talked about

is the 0.2 or direct fuel injection motors, DFI.

We've seen Volkswagen Group,

other products from Volkswagen Group

and Audi failing having DFI issues.

I kind of wonder when the DFI issues

that are in other cars

are gonna wake up and show up in Porsches.

Now, people say, oh, it doesn't show up in the .2s

because they're not daily driven like other cars.

The boxer style motor isn't conducive

to having those failures.

We don't know yet.

I mean, in comparing it back in the day,

everyone wanted a G50 Carrera

because the transmissions were more robust.

Well, that robust transmission was heavy

and they made a more less fun to drive

than an earlier Carrera and an SC.

And now that they're 40 year old cars

and Dave can count this,

we're finding all kinds of stuff.

That was the period where Porsche

was going through austerity.

They were putting Schmidt pistons in there.

They cut so many corners on the G50s

that when I looked at just my data,

my data points of maybe 500 cars,

you know, SCs and cars we sold.

When you're saying G50, just so I'm clear,

you're not just the transmission,

you're referring to the generation of the cars.

The generation 87 through 89, 9-11,

the old SC 9-11.

And it's kind of like the point too.

But they were heralded

because they fixed this transmission problem.

You back out 30, 40 years and you're going,

well, great, but those transmissions are too extra fixed

because now they're old.

And, oh, and on top of that,

they're not as fun to drive because they're heavy.

They're heavier.

And they just, and then when you,

and then you added the fact

that Porsche was going out of business.

So they cut every corner.

Paint quality was worse.

They, vendors weren't supplying parts.

They were putting different pistons and cylinders in.

Wasn't the Jeep in the 915 and previous

actually made by Porsche?

Or am I wrong about that?

Yes.

Porsche made, well, yes and no.

Porsche made the 915, the G50,

they outsourced the synchromation stuff to Borg Warner.

So it was still kind of like a partnership.

But the reason it was so,

it was two things.

It test drove well

because it had a hydraulic clutch

and it wasn't the old school kind of thing.

And the, and the transmission,

you could just shift like an idiot and wouldn't grind.

So you could drive for sure.

Easier to drive.

I say it test drives well.

So now, now we're looking at the 997.2s,

which by the way, because like Casey mentioned,

we're going through recession.

There was less people buying luxury goods.

They made less 0.2s than 0.1s for our market.

Then on top of that, the PDK was the new darling.

So everyone was ordering PDK.

So I was looking at just as many statistics as I could.

And I would say manual,

manual coupes, 0.1s to 0.2s,

we're talking probably maybe 30%

compared to the other 0.2s.

So for every 100.1s,

maybe 30.2s were manual coupes.

Well, let me ask you guys a question.

So if you have to choose between a 997.2,

manual transmission, non-PTS paint,

or a 991.1, what would you choose?

991.1.

Casey, you too.

So I don't, as I've mentioned on here before,

I'm not a huge fan of the seven speed manual and 991s.

So I'd probably pick a 991 PDK

because I think it's a good driving option.

If I were to pick a stick,

I would pick a second gen 997.

Since you guys don't like about the 991.17 speed.

It's vague.

The fix would be to put the parts in.

I mean, as it came,

my favorite seven speed 991 would be the Carrera T.

They really made that thing work well.

So I'm assuming if you could put those part,

I've never driven one.

If you put those parts into an earlier car,

it probably drives a lot better,

but the seven speed just didn't really do much for me.

I drove a 991.17 speed,

and I think they put like numeric parts,

the numeric shifters or something,

and it was actually really, really decent.

And for people don't know,

the 997, the 991 series cars,

they were seven speed manuals.

They were basically the PDK transmission

just turned into a manual.

So they're really like the gear ratios are the same.

In the end, Casey's not wrong.

I debate, would I get a manual

because I like society,

the social aspect says you need to drive a manual

or are those cars better as a PDK?

Because the PDK in the 991.1 is really good.

Let me ask you guys a question about that.

Sorry, Paul, were you about to-

I was just saying in the PDK and the .2s, meh.

I don't care for those at all.

All right, so this is something that this is a Tim question

and I think I know the answer, but I probably don't.

All right, so we have PDK,

let's just ramp the sport to like Dave's car, okay?

And in our little 718 Spider RS.

All right, that's got a PDK sport transmission in it,

right?

So back in the day,

and then we'll keep it with the 997 stuff,

what would be the difference?

Don't just say gear ratios,

it's got to be just about everything between a GT3

with a manual or a PDK and a standard 911

and is it the same types of differences we have now?

The difference with the, I mean,

you understand what I'm saying?

So the standard car versus the GT car PDK,

what are the difference?

Like a 991.1 PDK in the like a Carrera S

versus the 991.1 GT3,

and I had both of those cars back to back.

The 991.1 GT3 is aggressive.

That PDK is sharp.

Is it just software?

Do you guys know?

I don't think it's software.

I think they harden the gears.

I think they've got, it's not-

I'm sure it's all, I mean, I'm not a engineer,

but I'm sure it's significantly more robust.

And that's honestly, the transmission shifting

is why I like first generation 991

versus second generation 991 GT3 RS.

Because it feels like a race car.

So they use, use the P or the G50

in a different, in an upgraded form

all the way through the 993s, correct?

Well, I mean, the GT, well, if they ran effectively

a G50 derivative transmission in GT3s as well.

Did they really?

Well, I know.

Yeah, but they're run by cables.

They're not run by rods.

I was in, I was doing a test drive

in a Singer with Rob and he was in the passenger seat

and I was at the transmission I thought was fantastic.

And I asked him about it and he's, you know, very honest

and he goes, it's a G50 with a Porsche short shift kit.

Yeah, but that was-

By the way, for the listeners, Rob is the founder

of Singer is the Rob he's talking about.

Yeah, yeah, Rob.

As one does.

So Paul, to get back to work to be.

No, no, just joking.

Well, people don't know a lot of who the founder is

because he's now kind of removed from it

but he is a great guy and I'm so happy

that his dream came true.

Can I tell you guys about that experience?

And I'm sorry, just the listeners might appreciate it.

So it was back when he was in Van Nuys,

is that where his original shop was?

That was an absolute, I don't remember where-

Yeah, I can't remember his Culver City or Van Nuys,

I can't remember.

It wasn't that far from where TLG is.

Anyway, Hole in the Wall is the best way

to describe this place.

And he had this little driving road

that went up this little mountain range

and the whole time that he was sitting in the passenger seat

and I wasn't driving fast.

He wanted me to drive faster, he wanted me to drive faster.

When I started to drive faster,

the car was understeering everywhere

and I can blame my driving to a certain extent

but it's definitely understeering.

But the whole time he was looking for air leaks.

You should have seen this guy.

He was like, oh, did you hear that?

Did you hear that?

Like, no, I didn't hear any of it.

But he was feeling every freaking possible place

and making a mental list

for going back and getting it perfect.

And he was fanatical.

And just to add to that,

I've known Rob Dickinson since the early 2000s

when he was just our group

and we'd go on these drives to Monterey.

And to your point,

we would stop for a break or a gas station

and we were always waiting for Rob

because he had his 69S hot rod

that was the foundation of this.

He was always dicking around with it,

which I always joke was

because it's his last name is Rob Dickinson.

Because we would sit there

and he would be taking out little chrome pieces

and fitting them in.

He's like, what do you guys think of that?

And then we'd go the next leg

and he'd be like, that makes too much noise.

So I mean, this is clinical OCD from day one.

All right, let's go.

Let's cover two more questions,

but let's keep these briefs.

Sorry, I kind of need-

Can I just tag one thing onto the end of this?

So I've got a client that was referred to me

that I've been looking for a second gen 997 GTS.

Once a manual transmission,

I had put out a ton of feelers.

I got a number of cars sent to me.

All of the good cars that I could find,

everybody was asking 150.

150 plus for 997 second gen GTS rear drive stick.

And they were all 140 to 160.

I had one that had like two or 3000 miles on it

that was deep into the ones just didn't make sense.

I'm curious, why does he want that?

What's the special thing about that car?

Because it checks a lot of boxes

and that's what the internet tells you is peak.

Pingo.

That right there.

So we eventually came back around

and now we're looking for,

and I found one that we're vetting currently,

but a 997 first gen turbo,

stick shift, great car,

storied engine and a sub 20,000 mile car

is a little bit less than that price range

somewhere around there if it's fully dialed.

And I think personally that's a better value

because I always, I think that's a money in money out.

Hold that for segment four, Casey.

Hold that for segment four

because you just may have won that segment question.

That's awesome.

So let me blaze through a couple of these questions

because these again have been sitting

on the docker for like weeks.

I'm thinking about buying a high miles Porsche 911 GTS

and I don't remember what it was.

That has paint work, does this matter?

High miles, GTS paint work, does it matter?

Dave, what do you think?

How much?

I mean, again, to me, it doesn't matter.

Not at this point in most of these cars,

the stuff we see all the time doesn't really matter.

Now, was there accident damage behind the paint work?

What's the reason for the paint work?

Makes sense.

I mean, all that somebody drops a rake

on the car in the garage and suddenly it needs paint work.

Well, okay, that stuff happens.

50% of the cars are getting paint work these days.

Will it hurt the value,

depending on what the reason for that paint work is?

Sure, it could, but hopefully you're buying it

for a lesser price as well.

So that's the key, right?

Low in, low out, I hope.

I think it doesn't matter,

but the first question I have is,

okay, why do you want to get a GTS?

Is it because it is higher mileage

and the price is down to where you want?

Or if I had, like going back to what Casey said,

if I had a 997.1 turbo and a 997.0 GTS

and they were the same price because they were high miles,

let's say they were both under 100 grand

because they were messed up somewhere,

I would take the turbo all day long

because I think that's a more interesting experience.

And you just gotta go to yourself, this is awesome.

I'm gonna drive this car and the cost of ownership

is just gonna be the maintenance I use to keep it going.

I'm not gonna make money,

but like Dave said, it will be money and money out.

You guys are chomping at the bet to get to segment four.

Modern Porsches to consider buying

that seemed to hit their bottom flat or overlooked.

We get this question constantly.

So modern Porsches, they maybe should consider buying

that seemed basically like maybe this is the bottom

of what their values are gonna be.

Casey, do you have an opinion?

Yeah, 2000 to 2004 Boxter S.

I don't think there's a better answer, honestly.

Shall we move on?

Well, no, I think actually the 986, 987.1.2 Boxter came

and all of those, they're not gonna get cheaper,

especially if you get something higher miles.

And I think what I've found is Porsches sports cars

between 10 and 15 years old,

I always equate them to like an adolescent dog.

You get a puppy, they're cute.

Everyone loves them because they're a little puppy.

Then they get to the stage where they're just dorky,

they're their feet are too big, their ears are too big,

they're too skinny, they haven't filled in.

And they just, they're not like cute anymore

until they fill out and they're like, oh, that's a cool dog.

And no one really wants to pet the dog.

And that is the 10 to 15 year rule for Porsches,

especially there's, and like I said,

the mid-engine stuff is cheap.

Boy, talk about a fun little rally car,

20 grand sorted, done.

Let us not forget the SUVs as well.

I mean, and after Mr. McConnell over here on his rally

and some Cayens as well.

I mean, man, buy a Cayenne diesel.

You know me and my Cayenne diesels.

I love those darn things.

And you can buy those super cheap.

I mean, you can literally buy them cheap

and they're bulletproof.

They're really good vehicles to drive.

And I love them.

Go overlanding.

You can go overlanding.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, they're great.

Overlanding, that's one of those romantic things

that everyone builds these big fancy rigs for.

They never use this except to go to Frick and Hermes

and get the latest Twilly.

You don't want to sand in your shorts there, Jim.

You know, I mean, it's not, you can go up to the desert.

Nah, exactly.

All right, let's move on to segment four.

Casey is taking, oh, he's back.

Wow.

See, that's the beauty of being your age,

in case you can pee really, really quick.

The older you get, I got bad news for you.

It doesn't happen this fast.

All right.

Five cup pot of coffee this morning.

Not a good move.

Well, yeah, that too.

You'll have more of that as you get older too.

All right, segment four.

Cars you can drive for free in 2026.

Okay, this was an amalgamation of several questions.

I went a new daily for 2026.

My max budget is 85,000.

Help me choose one car to be a daily

that I can drive for free all in.

And I added this part, frankly,

to make it harder on you guys.

Insurance, zero depreciation, factor in buying

and selling costs as well.

They want to own it for one year,

have absolutely no expense, drive it completely for free.

Has to be a daily, no more than 85 grand.

Paul, you get to go first.

I think that is going to be really, really tough in a year.

Maybe if you give it three years.

I love the fact that Casey and I picked

kind of the same thing, because Casey,

I almost picked what you have, but I-

I almost picked what you have.

Well, remember, we have more listeners

than we do viewers.

Make sure you guys are not talking in code.

We both picked BMWs.

I picked the E9 series, E90, E92.

This is the late 2000s, 2008 through 2013,

M3 or M4, whatever they call it.

But the two door and the four door,

Casey picked the one series, the 1M,

which just came shortly thereafter.

But these cars are so much fun to drive.

And I think the four door,

which I didn't really put up there,

but the four door is the hidden value,

because this is for the person

that wants something fun, little vintage-y,

but they can use daily, take the kids.

And these cars, a manual, or it was a DCT or DSG,

I forget what they call their-

The DCT would have been the automatic.

The dual clutch, which is, by the way,

both of them are very good.

I would say the dual clutch is actually better

until you modify the manual a little bit.

But the funny thing is,

these are kind of the young timer,

younger people who are drawn to them.

And so a lot of them don't really care about the manual.

So I'm seeing the delta between manual

and the dual clutch, almost the same.

And I don't know if the manual will ever outpace it.

But the reality is they're fun to drive.

They've been hanging around in the 30s.

You can even get the Lime Rock Edition,

which is the Holy Grail in orange,

and like a mid-mile,

like a 30 to 50,000 mile Lime Rock

is probably hovering with the dual clutch,

is probably hovering around 50, 60 grand,

which to me, as the Halo car,

they only V8 M3.

They sound bitchin'.

They're really fun to drive.

Jason Camisa just did a whole thing

on it on the Haggerty channel

that was really made it interesting

because the end of the day,

comparing the cars, this one did really well.

So I choose that in this one.

By the way, this one was on bring a trailer.

It was a white manual.

It had 33,000 miles, really clean car.

What do you think it sold for guys?

Two-door M3 2009 33,000 mile car.

Any ideas what it hammered for?

37 grand.

Tim?

I don't follow them and I don't want to guess.

Dave, do you follow, do you care?

But I'll guess less than eight grand.

I do care, and I don't follow these as much,

but I would say somewhere in the 30s.

Yeah, it's, I mean,

Casey and I kind of follow the same stuff.

Hammered for 36,225 five days ago.

Good value.

Seems like a great value.

That or a new Civic or something close to it.

But the end of the day to answer your question, Tim,

I think it will, in a year from now,

you could go add 8,000 miles

and I think it will sell for the same

or a little bit more to cover costs.

I don't know if it'll cover everything.

You might break even on the sale price.

Well, okay, so thank you for reeling it back

into what the question was.

Is that going to be, is that rare enough

that has any chance whatsoever of increasing in value

or even keeping up with inflation?

And if not, then it's going to depreciate

and the question will be that, you know,

obviously answered in the negative

that you lost money on it.

I mean, are those going to die?

I don't think the car itself will depreciate.

I think that I'm not sure how much it will appreciate,

but the recent press on these

and what's happening is that it's getting pinched.

The E46 prices have gone out, just gone nuts.

If this was an E46 M3, which is the generation prior

to this, everything being the same, 33,000 miles,

this would possibly be a $50,000, $60,000 car.

And then the cars that was, I forget,

the F8 or the 1Ms, they're already 67.

So what's happening is-

Are those cars selling for more than the E46s,

even though they have the V8

and the E46s have the 3.2 at 321 horsepower?

E46s are selling for far more,

probably 30% more than the V8, the E90s.

That's insane.

I find that amazing.

That's why I just sit there going,

someone's going to wake up and go,

I'm not paying 50, 60 grand for an E46

when I can get a V8 for 36 grand.

And all of a sudden that 36 grand in a year

will go up to maybe 43 grand,

which doesn't seem like much, but now you're talking-

No, I think that's a really good choice then,

obviously, because given that price delta

between those two cars being so substantial,

that definitely looks like it's undervalued.

Dave, what do you think?

On that car?

No, no, what's your choice?

For 85 or less, go ahead.

Okay, the only thing that threw me,

I'll be disqualified, I'm sure here, just a moment,

was the fact that the insurance cost

had to be factored in here too,

and that is like, who the hell knows with the insurance?

You know, it could be Casey ripping around-

You, it's for you.

And his insurance factor could be-

You, for me?

Charlotte.

Charlotte, okay.

Didn't you say that you allegedly

went 120 miles an hour earlier?

Yes, but I was not caught.

Which is the key thing here.

I can yell that by my wife for driving too slowly.

I paid-

I would not even get that.

Wife swap.

Oh, see, that has a whole different connotation, I'm sorry.

Paul's saying wife swap is him

showing evidence that he lives in California.

Okay, we'll start-

Keep it going.

Go ahead.

I picked a 2016, came in GT4.

This particular example, 85,000 miles, excuse me.

No, 36,000 miles.

It did sell for around $84,000.

I think this is as a Porsche goes.

If that's the budget, this one hits the numbers.

And I think you could drive this car for a year,

put the mileage on your talking about

and probably sell this car for close to

what you paid for it a year from now,

especially if you bought it at 84.

These cars, typically a nice one is trading,

90s, $100,000.

Maybe that's gonna cover your insurance costs.

This one, the mileage is a little higher,

but I still think dollar for dollar,

you can't go wrong.

If that's 85 grand is your budget,

that's the car to have.

And here's the thing is Dave, you picked a good car,

but the problem is I think it kind of already jumped

a shark, there was about a year ago,

they were a, that car would have been maybe high 70s.

And a year ago, you could have done this equation.

I think now the problem is people are realizing

these are really interesting cars, they're fun,

they didn't make a lot of them.

And I think it's gonna be really hard

to buy one under a hundred very soon, very soon.

Well, grab them now, and that's the whole point, right?

Cause then you'll be able to drive it

for a year and dump out of it.

Casey, you're up.

16 GT4 is the best of all GT4, GT4 RS's.

No question in my mind.

I agree with that.

Hot take, Casey.

I was going to pick an E90 M3 four door stick shift.

I love those cars in competition spec in silver,

just awesome cars, but my favorite driving

modern-ish BMW is a 1M.

I think it's awesome.

I was so surprised, I've only driven one once

by one of my very good prior clients.

And it was a fantastic experience.

I loved it.

The car behind me is like a delivery mile car

that EAG sold for over $200,000.

That's not that one, but a nice 50, 60,000 mile car

is $50,000, $60,000 all day long.

And they've been $50,000, $60,000 for forever.

I don't know if you'll get all the other stuff out of it,

but as far as maintenance is concerned,

the things like rod bearings and such

that scare people about M3s

don't plague the turbocharged cars.

So I did think it was probably

a less labor intensive ownership experience.

Casey, do you drive one?

That's definitely my go.

Have you driven one of those?

Yeah, it's awesome.

Dave, have you driven one?

I have not.

I find them too small, personally.

Paul, have you driven one?

Paul, you're muted.

Oh, there you go.

I'll hear him.

Oh, sorry.

There, you know, I have a Z3M coupe

and this is the better version.

This is such, I mean, it drives,

to me, it's the most 911 driving modern BMW.

It drives like a model.

It's a raw special bulldog, right, Paul?

Exactly.

I definitely want to drive one.

I haven't driven one yet.

Dave, you and I will have to do that next time

Let's do it.

So my choice is a 2013 Carrera S.

I know you guys are going to hit me with the rule book

with regards to what these things are actually going for.

But I have, you know, we can talk about

Hem and Hall over prices.

Look at Paul, he's already on NADA

or wherever it's called nowadays,

searching for values.

Oh, you're right.

You're in there.

Okay, that would be my choice.

I would definitely get a 991,

probably 0.1, 2013 Carrera S in good condition.

Obviously try to get a manual or, I mean, frankly,

I think Casey's got me half sold on PD case

at this point.

And you could pretty much be, truthfully,

I think all of us have great choices

with the least probably likely to increase in value,

probably being Paul's, the most likely to increase,

probably being my Porsche followed by Casey's

and then followed by Dave's.

And then Paul didn't put in the effort on this one.

I'm afraid.

Hey, I like your choice, Tim.

I think your choice is dead on.

And if you hadn't picked it,

that would have been the one for me.

I had a 2013 S manual.

I love that car.

I thought that car was fantastic.

I sold mine, Jesus, earlier this year,

beginning of the year.

And I think I sold it for 75 grand.

And my car only had 38,000 miles on it.

I think that car right now would be 85 for sure, right?

I mean, the values on these ones have gone up.

I think it's a great looking car.

You know, the only downside of those

is the door panels peel up on all of them.

You got to get that fixed.

But there's an easy fix.

Send it to Dave.

Tim, I like your choice.

I like your choice.

But your choice is actually wrong

because it's six months too late.

Because just what Dave played it out.

Didn't I tell you guys?

Didn't I say he tried to basically hit me with the road?

Like I said, I really like it.

But six months ago to eight months ago,

it was 15% less.

And the other stuff could be tariffs,

could be a bunch of things that are trickling down

where it's moving the values of those cars up.

I honestly think because my car is so cheap,

it gets to the point, it probably is the winner.

Casey's is super close because the problem is,

and not the premium, the premium one ends up going up.

All right, we're gonna do some voting, okay?

Since I knew you'd take it personally

and that was the goal.

All right, so you cannot vote for your own.

Who votes for Paul's?

Cannot vote for your own.

Oh, damn.

All right. Damn.

Okay, you cannot vote for your own.

So I'm not gonna vote.

What do you guys think about my choice?

Can't vote for your own.

I forgot we're on the radio here.

So Tim gets one.

I got one vote.

Paul's got a total of zero.

All right, Dave's choice, which is the GT4.

And thank you for reminding me

that a lot of people listen to us in audio.

One vote.

I'm raising my hand.

I think Dave's choice is pretty good,

especially because they're super reliable.

Yeah.

Thank you, Casey.

Thank you.

We're all gonna vote for one.

No winner here.

No winner.

Okay, so who would vote for Casey's?

Okay, I would too.

I would too.

I totally vote for Casey's.

It's a cool little talk.

Because I think Casey's.

I'm ugly.

It's got a backseat.

It's definitely a cool experience.

But when you look at the equation,

I think Casey's will win

because the premium level 1M's have already gone up.

But when you look at the kind of the mid level,

the 30, 40, 50,000 mile cars,

they have, like Casey said,

they have been the same price for so long

that eventually people are just gonna go like,

that I want one and that's what I gotta buy.

And then the Tims and Dave's of the world

will go test drive one and blow their mind.

And they'll be like, you're kidding,

50 grand for one of these?

And by the time they actually buy the car,

it's gonna be 65 grand.

Yep, I agree.

All right, segment five.

To rally or not to rally, that is the question.

What is a rally?

How do you find a local rally or start one?

How do you prep your cars?

Rally matters.

And I know this is Paul's and definitely favorite topic.

If you guys don't know Paul Kramer,

after he gets done razzling and dazzling you

with this portion of knowledge,

I promise you always gonna talk about his rallying.

So with keeping consideration the time

and all the rest of it, let's talk about rallying.

I'm personally interested in this.

And if I had more availability for it, I'd be doing it.

I know Davis feels the same way

that Dave's getting heavily into rallying.

And I know Casey said prior to the show today,

he feels the same way.

So explain to us what rallying is.

How do we go about finding one?

The floor is yours, sir.

I mean, for the average person,

I try to leave the word rally out

because rally gives in their mind, oh, it's a race.

Because there are actual rallies

that are time-distance stuff,

which I personally don't care about.

I call them vintage tours or automobile tours

where you're going on a drive of a certain amount of days

with a group of cars that are similar

like-minded cars and people.

Some are just Porsche cars.

Some are 1999 and older cars.

Some are 75 and older.

There's all kinds of various rules

but you're going to see some new roads

and new experiences.

And some of them are just one day rallies.

Some are an overnight.

Some of the ones I do are seven days

and seven night rallies

where you get to explore things

with your cars, with like-minded people.

And then every time you stop,

it's like I call it a rolling cars and coffee.

Imagine going to cars and coffee

and then going for a great drive,

spending the night and doing it over and over again.

And to me, if I used to be a club racer,

it is the closest to the highs of club racing I've got

in terms of camaraderie and fun

without the lows of dealing with a race car.

That's interesting.

Dave, so you once said that our Albert Blue RSR

was too nice to take on rallies.

I never asked you about that, but I remember you said it.

So what is the ideal rally car, Dave,

since you're into rallying too?

Well, I mean, for me, especially with Porsches,

now Paul's, you know, there's many other cars

that you can pull into these things,

but most of what I do is all kind of Porsche related

and specifically air-cooled Porsche related.

And I couldn't agree more with Paul

that it's so much about just the experience

that you're sharing with all these other drivers.

It's not a competition per se at all,

I guess other than to make sure

you get back to the hotel at the end of the day.

That's the only competition without having an off somewhere.

And I've had a couple of offs,

so I know what we're talking about here,

but let me just say that it's the equivalent

of the guys that go away for the three-day golf weekend.

It's just a different experience

where you're all playing the same holes

and at the end of the hole, when you're back at the bar,

you're talking about, oh, jeez,

Johnny with that shot from 80 yards,

instead you're talking about the curves,

the roads, that particular last run

that you were just taking up the mountain.

And plus the other piece of the equation is the car itself.

How is your car running?

What's happening with your car?

Is it overheating?

Is there something that's engaging differently

or not operating quickly?

So now you've also got the camaraderie of the guys

that are gathered around the back of your car

after the night's over,

trying to figure out how to get the shifter linkage

all back in and engaged and getting out the bailing wire

and scotch tape to make the thing keep going.

It's just a really great experience, it really is.

And there's something for everyone in this.

It's not just guys that wanna drive fast

and Paul calls it a tour

and I'm sure he's running in a more spirited group,

but let's say like for me,

I'm gonna participate in a rally with 75 people, right?

All 75 of those people aren't going out at the same time.

They may not likely even all be driving the same route.

We'll be picking four or five different routes

that have been, or excuse me,

four or five different groups

that will then go out on one route this day

and then it flips over to the same route

for the other group on the next day.

So everybody's driving the same roads

and you're all dealing with the same traffic issues

and bitching about the fact

that there's slow guys in front of you and so on,

but I think the point that I guess I'm trying to make

is there's something for everyone here.

So if you wanna just take a nice slow drive

and enjoy the scenery, but enjoy the car,

get into it a little bit as you're cornering and turning,

run the touring group.

If you wanna rip it up, then you wanna run the fast group.

So I didn't know, you just taught me a ton of shit

that I didn't know, so I appreciate that.

So the one rally I did when we were in California

they got with a bunch of 911s and we were a course

in a Ferrari, the 911 guys were driving way too dangerously,

truthfully, they were driving like jackasses,

driving too fast, not respecting other drivers,

driving left to center, just awful behavior.

And there wasn't one of them, it was like 10 of them.

They're all just basically road racing,

which is fast and furious, you know?

Anyway, that was the last one I did

because there was nobody there

to tell these guys to chill.

But what you're saying is that in these groups

that rallying's evolved to the point

where you can kind of decide what group you're gonna run in,

which is different than my experience.

And then fall back.

Going with a group that is going too quickly,

then you can fall back and join another group

on the next day or at lunch or wherever.

Go ahead, Paul, I'm sorry to interrupt.

I've done so many different kinds of rallies

because Tim, like you, I don't want to experience that.

I like to go with people I know

and a group that's safe.

And there's such a wide variety of cars

and when people go, ooh, I don't know how,

who I'm gonna drive with.

I said, you will find your people.

You will be driving.

You'll realize the cars that you are driving with

drive at the same pace.

They want the same things

and that's gonna be who you drive with.

But the end of the day,

the thing that people don't understand

why we do these tours

is they buy these really cool vintage cars

and these special cars

and they go to cars and coffee.

But outside of that, it's kind of boring.

They're not good street cars.

They're not good to use to do daily things.

When they do these events,

it goes, oh, I have a tool.

This is a good thing.

This is a conduit to go meet like-minded people,

experience new things.

And suddenly your 67 short wheelbase

that is annoying to drive in LA traffic

becomes completely relevant

when you're driving using the tool for the right job.

And I've gotten to the point,

which isn't for everyone,

I have two different cars

because I want different experiences.

Sometimes I take my 944.

By the way, you can get a 944 for under 20 grand

and have an amazing rally car.

Sometimes if I know the rally is gonna be gnarly

and we're gonna be going through dirt or rain

or puddles or snow,

I have another car that is beat to hell

and I don't care what happens to it.

That's why Albert Tim is not necessarily the car

for certain rallies, right?

I mean, Albert is a beautiful 72 RSR looking car,

beautifully built, beautifully executed.

Fun car would be super fun

to drive in the mountains for sure.

But if you take it out to some of these other ones

that Paul goes to, like Texas Hill Country,

your car would get beat up pretty badly

with some of the rock chips and the roads

and some of those kinds of things driving over-

So what's the ideal rally car though?

So like your new GT3 RS is too nice too.

Too new, too new for most of them and too fast.

So like your Brown, what about that Brown car?

What about the Brown car, the, your-

This one?

Yeah, is that still for sale, by the way?

It is for sale and-

That car is so badass.

So bad ass.

This car up, is that car is fantastic.

We can put, this would be a great rally car,

just put some, it's PPF already, right?

So, and it would be a terrific rally car.

It's expensive as a rally car.

The car that Casey's got right behind him

right here in this picture,

which is a late 80s Carrera,

would be a fantastic car.

Dollar for dollar, that would be a fantastic car.

I don't want you to promote that one though too much, Casey,

because I like that car.

I think I might want to buy it.

Casey, that one.

Casey, is that for sale right now?

That's a car that I'm just did all the leak down

and stuff on to bring it to bring a trailer.

Well, since we're, again,

mostly listeners and not as many viewers, what is it?

It's an 87 Carrera that the engine stock,

one to 2% leak down across all of it.

But the inside and the outside

is done to look kind of like an iRoc car.

So it's got different bumpers on it, some red on it.

I think it's got sevens and nine fuchs.

It's got KWV3 suspension.

It's going to be a great car

for something like what Dave and Paul are talking about.

Absolutely, that would be a fantastic car right there.

All right, so next door to it,

is that car going to be for sale as well?

I'm looking at listeners at 996 GT3 RS.

That's the one I drive around all the time.

But that's a real RS, right?

It's a 996 GT3.

The car on the opposite end of the picture

is significantly cooler.

That's a, well, that's technically a 2003 996 RS FIA car.

So that's the last car of that.

So 2004, they went to sequential.

That was the last year they put a six speed manual

in that level of car for Porsche.

That's one of 20 built.

I helped my client procure that car out of England.

It was originally delivered to South Africa.

I have a confession for all of you,

the three of you morons,

because being on this podcast

with all you guys this long,

I have slid so far down

and discovering all these new things about 911s.

I mean, I do my best to keep up with these guys

when we're on the show,

but the reality of it is,

I'm asking questions because I want the questions answered

because I want to learn more myself.

So, you know, just to shout out,

just what Casey just said,

I could feel the sparks in my brain firing off anyway.

So Paul, you have a video, you have a video, right?

Videos from over 70 years old.

Yeah, I mean, you wanna set that on the newsletter?

You wanna split?

I don't know if I've done a newsletter,

but I should maybe on this thing, we'll put a link

because on my website,

I've got a thing called adventures

and it has not only, I've got, I counted it,

70 rally videos.

I've recorded 70 for the last 15 years

and what I've heard from people is you watch it

and it actually gives you a good flavor

of what the experience is like

and you'll see it is a fun social experience

where you get to use your car

the way it was intended in a safe environment

and it's not a race,

it's just a way to do something different.

And by the way, I've seen people in their 20s,

I've seen people in their 80s,

my dad comes along on the rally.

I've seen cars that were like,

some guy came in a Chevy Sprint Turbo

that was like 2,500 bucks.

All the way to this last rally,

we had a guy in a Maserati Bora driving through floods.

So I watched that video, Paul,

and have you ever driven a Maserati Bora?

No, I've driven a Merrick, but not a Bora.

It is not a good driving experience

and I cannot believe somebody did that in that car.

And obviously that's why they were going so slow.

They were one of the slower cars.

Okay, so stop for a second.

Casey is now teasing all of us with this car

he's about to put on bringing a trailer

and it looks spectacular.

Casey, could you cover your, so they could see it?

What do you think that's insane?

That's beautiful.

What is, okay, we're looking at that car

that Casey thought would be an ideal rally car.

A late 80s, 9-11, okay, I'm not allowed to throw it.

So what do you think something like that's worth?

Where do you guys think?

One million dollars.

No one's interested.

Realistically, I think that car

could go for a hundred very easily.

I mean, having looked at, seen some pictures,

some more pictures that Casey sent me as well.

The work that was done to build this car

and the builder that did it, who's pretty well known,

I think certainly on the East Coast.

And they kind of, what happened was,

and Casey forgive me, I wanna spoil the story

on the back story of the car,

but this is a case where the guy tried to sell it himself,

I think, a couple of years ago.

And it...

Yeah, so the gentleman listed the car

and he, through TPC racing that I do a lot of work with

where that picture was taken, they introduced him to me

and we talk about the value of being prepared

for doing an online auction or selling a car in general.

You need to make sure that you do all of the diligence.

You need to make sure that you have all of your ducks

in the row so you can answer all questions.

And he listed the car a while ago, it did not sell.

It was on, I believe it was on the wrong platform.

And there was basically, I have a process.

I've got OCD, so for me, it's very important

that things are lined up and done correctly.

And I think that with the correct photo work,

with the correct video work,

Mike, the guy that owns TPC who is,

he won the 24 hours of Daytona in 2006.

He's gonna do the driving video

with I think three or four angles.

You know, we're gonna do it right.

And that's the level that I wanna bring these things to

because I want people to be able to net as much money

as they can for their car.

And this is an interesting car

that as long as you tell the story correctly,

I do believe that it can convey a lot

to a larger swath of owners and make something special.

The other thing about this one that is not the case now

is when he went to sell it the first time,

it was all stickered up with a martini livery.

Oh, wow.

And that I think really hurt.

It's going much better now.

Yeah, it hurt the car for sure.

The only thing on this particular car,

and I think Casey and I talked about this,

I would probably change those arrow mirrors

back to flag mirrors on the car.

And I would get, you know,

I might get rid of the mirrors in black or red

and go to black,

might keep the front and rear bumper.

And I mean, the interior is pretty spartan,

but it's really sport purpose.

It's nicely put together, six buckets,

but no rear seat delete,

a lot of weight taken out of the car,

but it's a stock three two with a G50.

Dave, you love this fricking car.

Casey, you know, I do like this car.

I hope Dave bids on it.

Holy crap.

I mean, I'm trying to get on before it goes to auction here,

Casey, so we're going to figure it out.

There's so many people call me

and they want to build something,

want to build something.

And I have to talk them off the ledge

and show them a car like Casey's and say like.

Or Dave's.

Or Dave's, buy a done thing.

100%.

It's not going to be maybe aesthetically

exactly what you want,

but that's the fun part of the hobby.

You've got a car that you can go use.

You can go have fun.

And the hard part is telling,

pull the reins in on these people

because they want to nest right away.

I want to go do this and this and this.

I'm like, no, no, no.

Drive it for six months

because what you think you want today,

I can guarantee you in six months,

that is going to be a different thing you want

or it won't be as important.

Like for instance, change the mirrors,

paint them black.

Maybe six months from now, maybe not.

So, but get something that is a done car like Casey's

because that's half the head.

That's the biggest thing.

I mean, just from a practical perspective,

whatever that ends up selling for is certainly less

than what the dude's got in it.

For sure.

There's no comparison.

That's really solid advice.

All right, let's move on to segment six.

This or that, the Uncle Waldo edition.

All right, I tried to make this fun.

Lucky you, your eccentric,

carb-sessed Uncle Waldo

has shuffled off his moral coil

and in true Waldo fashion

left behind something deep,

left behind something deeply on brand.

$1.2 million, specifically earmarked

for automotive enjoyment, mechanical enlightenment

and general Tom Fullery.

But here's the catch and it's a big one.

You must spend every penny on the cars.

Nothing left over to go straight to your cousin Chester

who will immediately blow it on Pokemon cards.

Funko pops and whatever Zoe,

my daughter knew what Funko pops was, I did not.

And whatever she's went, totally put it in.

And whatever else, people with zero taste collect.

I have to say this.

You guys knew who Logan Paul is?

No.

None of you do?

All right, then I'm not gonna tell the story.

Uncle Logan Paul, he's the guy who played,

who boxed against,

he's a boxer, him and his brother.

Not the one who went against Tyson.

Oh, Logan Paul, yeah.

So they're neighbors and they live in our community,

both of them, they're both really nice guys.

But anyway, Logan used to literally walk around

with a Pokemon card on a chain.

Just for what it's worth.

All right, Uncle Paul.

You spend a shit ton of money on it.

That sounds like one of your neighbors, Tim.

It does, it is.

Uncle Waldo, yeah, yeah.

Uncle Waldo always says cars go to people

with imagination, Pokemon cards go to people

who peak early in life.

So now that you're on the spot,

you've got 1.2 million,

you've got an impeccable taste, obviously.

Paul, sorry, not you.

And you've got to build the ultimate garage

before Chester gets a dime.

Kia's, you only have room for two cars.

They must be Porsches.

What do you buy?

What is a strategy?

One hero car, restoration projects, this or that.

Let's go, Casey's first.

I messed up.

Okay.

I only picked, well, I'm just gonna go with mine anyway.

I'm gonna pull a Chris Cooper on this one.

So for what it's worth,

I picked two cars, both of them are 1.2 million dollars

because I did really bad in my reading comprehension

on my SATs.

You guys better not change the rules.

Don't change the rules.

Car number one is a Porsche 964 3.3 liter

Turbo S lightweight.

You can get a really good one of those

for 1.2 million dollars.

And my other one,

and I picked cars both with speed lines,

is a 964 Carrera RS 3.8 liter.

You have to get a busted one of these

to get it to 1.2 million dollars.

But those are my two picks.

And I definitely didn't follow the instructions

because I'm bad at reading.

Okay.

So there's two and a half million dollars

worth of cars for you.

So Uncle Waldo apparently liked me

more than you like you guys.

Except you're now basically sending the money

because you didn't follow the rules

to your cousin Chester.

And bro.

Well, hopefully Chester donated it to a dog rescue.

So that's all that matters.

I guess full circle.

All right, Paul, you're next.

I wanted Chester to get nothing.

So magically I found exactly 1.2 millions.

This was obviously we talked about this last episode,

the Jerry Seinfeld Roof Monomified 71

that sold for $657,000.

Which if you put in the fees,

it was $664,500.

Outside of the,

I don't give two craps about the Jerry Seinfeld part,

but like a longhood modified by roof back then.

That's cool.

It's just, I mean,

God, this car is so good.

I mean, it's a crazy number,

but it's a sun,

my first 911 longhood was Gemini Blue.

So I love this car.

It's close to Gemini Blue.

So the second car I chose,

which I wanted to go with something more modern

as a two car garage.

And like side of the modern Porsche factory take

that's just kind of light your butt hairs on fire crazy

is I think a 2018 GT2 RS 991.2 GT2 RS.

This one is in yachting blue.

It hammered recently for $528,000 on bring a trailer.

So that's 535,500.

Magically that's exactly 1.2 million.

This car,

and I have driven one of these up to good vibes.

It was ridiculous.

I mean, it was like bringing a Gatlin gun

to a pocket knife fight.

It was so frickin' fast.

And you know, on these cars you can set the speedometer

to ding when you go like a certain,

it was like set at like 85 and it kept on dinging.

I was like, oh, this is annoying

and I'm trying to drive.

So I go into the menu

and I just set it for like 120.

I'm like 120.

And on, if you're familiar with this,

it was a closed road with a professional driver.

It kept dinging on nine mile, like eight or nine times.

And I am just going, what is going on?

So stupid fast, but I'm a sucker for yachting blue.

I think yachting blue.

Look, I mean, look at that.

How great color.

So your choice was a yachting beautiful gorgeous car,

yachting blue GT2 RS.

And the other one was?

And the other one was the Seinfeld Roof Modified

1971 911 S factory sunroof.

With a 2.8 liter twin plug EFI motor flared by roof.

I mean, a really true, in my opinion, hot rod

in the ethos of Porsche early hot rod days.

All right.

Okay, Casey's not done playing.

Oh yeah.

He's gonna bring the game.

So I'll go back real quick.

So here you go.

911 GT3 RS four liter

and this black and red thing

that we were talking about earlier.

Those are my two picks.

All right, Dave, your turn.

Oh, shit.

It's not terrible.

I'm not sure that I blew the rules as well.

I blew the rules.

You guys have got to learn to read.

I read the rules.

I didn't realize they had to both be Porsches.

That's really the issue for me.

They had to both be Porsches.

Oh, do they both have to be Porsches?

I didn't read that either.

I, yes.

Oh, they must be Porsches.

Yeah.

Okay, well, I'm screwed.

I got one out of two.

I'll still go four.

Okay, you go back.

You go back.

You go on your second one.

Okay, I guess we're going to vote at the end.

I got to be a stickler with the rules.

You guys are going to make your own.

Well, Tim, you go.

You go like Dave corrects his thing.

Exactly.

He's going to have like a rickshaw or something crazy

by Porsche.

And besides, I see what he put up first

and I got to take his thunder before he says it.

All right, go ahead.

A new 911 ST, okay?

And a 911 R, all right?

So both of the both of I think

the unicorn limited edition watercool cars.

So that would be for $1.2 million.

Yeah, that would be those two,

I think would be hard to beat.

I'd like to see the receipts on that,

Tim, just to be sure.

I mean, I understand the ST.

I'm not sure about the other car, though.

Is that going to hit your number?

Oh, yeah.

No, it'll hit the number.

He's there.

I'd scrap the ST and just keep the R.

Yeah, well, okay.

But the problem with Tim's choice

is that's like going to 31 flavors

and getting a double scoop of regular vanilla

and French vanilla.

So I have, but here's an interesting thing

and I'm going to pull a Casey here.

So you got those two choices

or would you rather have?

Again, I'm going to not break my own rules that.

So if you guys had to choose, okay, that is

and let's say what that is.

So everyone listening at the home,

the home, but people playing at home

will know what it is.

It is a roof.

Could you remind me what the one it is, Paul?

You remember?

It's an SCR, let me see.

It's a 2022, so it's a modern car

and it is a 2022 roof SCR.

Yeah, you can buy about half of that for $1.2 million.

It's like in Linden Green or Birch Green.

I found that as a sale just for the record.

So Dave, if Dave won't surprise check me,

I did find that as a sale

and a European auction that was basically $1.2 million.

But I'm just saying.

That was like two years ago.

It may have been about two years ago.

That's true.

I would say today that car is closer to the 993 Turbo S

for $200,000.

You guys are just picking on me because I picked on you.

But anyway, it is kind of interesting, right?

Hypothetically.

All right, so you want to redeem yourself, Dave?

Oh, I'm throwing in.

I don't have the time.

I can't pull another car.

It's all good.

I was taking an ST as well.

I also took something else.

We won't even discuss that.

What's the other thing?

How are we going to see it?

We got to make fun of you.

The other thing was a 4GT, 05 4GT.

They're cool.

They make a lot of good noise.

Yeah, we'll put a Porsche sticker on the hood.

You're fine.

Golf livery.

We're done.

Golf livery, no one will know the difference.

All right, do you guys want to get to the next segment

of this segment of the ass?

OK, you go first, Paul.

All right, so this was, well, explain it.

This was then the other one, sort of the blue collar.

I think the budget was.

Can I write something for this one, too?

Yeah, you could.

Two cars, less than 40 grand each.

Yeah, this was the Uncle Waldo edition,

and then there was, what did the hell did you call it?

What he called the nerd edition.

The full throttle talk and average listener edition.

But guys, we were supposed to do one or the other.

I guess if you want to do both, I'm all in,

because these are kind of funny.

I see what you guys put in.

So the other one was, I'm trying to find what I wrote.

Paul, can you find it and read it?

It just says this or that for the nerds,

choose two cars for less than $40,000 each, this or that.

And I actually found, I think, two great choices.

Because what I wanted to dovetail this,

and we talked about it, was like, this is the area,

like, which would you take to a rally?

And I want to get your guys' answer, like,

if you were going to go on one of these vintage tours

or driving tours, which would you choose?

The first one I chose is a 1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV 5 speed.

And the best part is they shoved in a V8

from an Alfa Romeo Montreal, which looks, I mean, first of all.

That's not going to go anywhere.

Yeah, but just look at the interior.

Look at that dash.

And then look at this Montreal engine squished in there.

I mean, the only thing I don't like about it

is I think this would look good in red.

I think white is sort of a weird color.

But have any of you guys, from, like, looked at 80s or driven

on a rally or driven in 80s GTV, the six cylinder ones,

they handle the transaxle, inboard brakes,

they handle so good.

And they really, really are fun if you make it

through the whole day.

Christ, it won't make it to lunch, though, Paul,

is the problem, right?

But then I'm holding everybody else up.

Yes, let's motor swap my Alfa Romeo

with another Alfa Romeo with more cylinders

that's more complicated.

I mean, that Alfa Romeo would be really good

to do like a K-swap with a Honda V-tec engine.

I think it would be fun, seriously.

But then I wanted to find something even more sketchy

if you'd finished the day.

This is a 95 Lotus Esprit S4S.

This was the very last year of the four cylinder.

Was it 2.2 liter, 2.2 liter turbo engine?

But like this, oh, by the way, the Alfa Romeo,

it's sold for $27,000 before fees.

The 95 Lotus sold for $30,000.

And look how exotic.

And by the way, the license plate is just spot on.

The license plate says, by the way, it's North Carolina.

It says, good chat.

Nice.

Good chat.

And I mean, this Magnolia interior,

I mean, how to buy a manufactured car

that looks so much like a kick car right out of the door.

So there's my two choices.

That's right.

I like that.

I like the Esprit.

I think that's a great choice.

I think that's pretty sweet.

I mean, that's a very exotic car, obviously.

And to be able to buy it for that kind of money,

that's a sweet little car.

The great thunder roll up in that.

Dave, you're next.

Okay, I went more highway cruiser stuff

for this particular segment.

And this particular car, I just thought was, wow,

what a value here.

This is a 2017 11,000 mile S550 coupe of ends.

And this is one of those cars that not everybody,

a man of certain age will certainly like to,

enjoy this as a highway cruising car.

I just think this is an attractive car,

some level of reliability.

This one with only 11,000 miles

was clearly not driven very much

and hammered for slightly over the qualification here

at 40 grand.

However, I'm gonna make it up on the other car.

So that's car number one.

Car number two, one of my all time favorites.

Now this particular one, 2000, excuse me, E38,

Porsche, excuse me, BMW 7 series.

It's the long wheelbase car,

but this car had 36,000 miles on it.

I love the color combination on it.

I only have the one picture.

This car went for 15 grand.

I mean, with 36,000 miles, it is the long wheelbase car,

but it's got all the other goodies.

It's got the M parallels,

it's got the sports steering wheel.

Interiors were gorgeous.

This is just, this is BMW at its best with this car.

So I just think both of those cars

would be really cool to rip around in.

This one I liked a lot.

I'll have another one.

We need to get one of those

and we all need to meet up for a car wake

or some other thing and have that be

the full throttle talk cruiser.

I mean, that would be great.

Yeah, what?

Like driving a limo.

Casey.

Real quick, Triumph TR250.

The one behind me, I think went just for over 40 grand

or maybe just under 40 grand, but it was a good example.

So a TR250 is basically a TR4 with a TR6 motor

and independent rear suspension.

Really cool car.

And then the other option would be a 914

in an interesting color.

The one behind me is a 72 in Willow Green,

which I think is one of the best colors on the car.

I don't think you can go wrong with either option.

Both huge sense of occasion.

914 probably will get more looks.

I like this 914 a lot because somebody didn't drill

the holes in the hood to put a Porsche badge on it.

Just a great car.

That is an interesting point.

When did Porsche ever sell those

with Porsche crests on the hood?

Never.

Every time you see one, that's some fakey-do.

Wow.

No, it's not just some fakey-do.

Dealers knew we're putting them on there

because they had this whole Volkswagen connotation,

which not, they are all Volkswagen, you know,

the Porsche owners.

Certainly so.

Wow.

I didn't realize that the hood crests weren't original.

Well, there you go, learning something every day.

Okay, so my choices were,

and I know you guys are going to make fun of this one,

and that's recently put it up.

This roof was a 2017 Volkswagen Beetle.

Did you steal my thunder again, Kramer?

No, I'm putting it up for you,

so you can have both of them right at the same time.

All right, there you go.

Both of these cars, the 83 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI

Callaway Turbo Stage 2.

That one sold for 45.

I know I blew it by five grand.

And this other one, this Roof Style 2002,

these were both on bat.

Volkswagen new Beetle Turbo S 1.8 Turbo, blah, blah, blah.

I know you guys are both probably,

all three of you probably paid attention to both of these.

I'm guessing the GTI more so,

but those are kind of interesting fun cars.

You know, I mean, the GTI,

that one in particular, I thought was fascinating.

I think it sold a year ago for $36,000.

So the very fact that it sold for more,

and that's before, you know, seller fees

or buyer fees, it's kind of fascinating.

And then the other car, which wasn't really a roof.

Honestly, there was no roof parts on it.

It's just basically a pack full of, you know,

modern Volkswagen performance parts.

Paul?

I would say what my idea was,

which of each person's car would you rally?

Which of your car would rally or,

because my whole idea was,

if I was going to go on a rally,

which one of these I would pick?

I would probably pick, assuming no mechanical issues,

magically they all make it through a rally or a tour.

I would choose the alpha.

And so I was thinking like, what would I do on it?

That would not,

and I was trying to stay away from Porsche

and do something different.

But, you know, what would you take on a rally, Tim?

Between the two of Volkswagen, the GTI is too nice.

It's honestly basically a museum quality

to Dave's point earlier about being it too nice.

So I definitely take that roof,

a beetle and beat the snot out of it.

Have you guys ever driven those new beetles?

By the way, have you ever driven one?

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

They're pretty awful.

Now, I've never driven them.

But like Matt Crook and some of these guys,

they do race series with those new beetles.

I always wondered if you make them spicy,

are they kind of fun?

Pretty good.

So Julie had one that was a cabriolet, all right,

and a convertible or the hell they called it.

And that car was so f-ing slow on the road

from Vegas to Southern California.

When you're going towards Vegas, you have to go up a hill.

I don't remember what that freeway is called.

But her car full all matted with a five.

The 15 or the five.

15, 15.

Okay, so that car was so underpowered

that cars would honk at us thinking

that we were driving slow intentionally

and it just was so underpowered.

Now, I've never driven a turbo, so I wouldn't know.

That was my experience.

Yeah, any event.

So that'd be my choice.

What would you do, Casey?

Which one would you drive?

Of your two.

Of my two?

Probably the 914.

Yeah.

What was your other choice?

The 914 or the what?

The TR250.

I think the TR250 would be good around town,

but the 914 is probably the better move for a rally.

And Dave's carrying all of our luggage on the rally

with full of history.

Dave's the only one getting there

with his back, not basically being fussy.

So I'm gonna go, it's okay.

I take the E38 for sure.

Our fellows are my choices for the rally without a doubt.

That's just a great highway cruiser.

It's not gonna necessarily be too excited

in cornering and so on, but it's a great car.

Well, I was on a DWA rally

and someone brought a sporty,

they call them sporty shorties.

It's Dave's, the short wheelbase.

And on even some second gear stuff,

I mean, with the Sport-o-Matic,

I think is what they call it.

He was hustling that car for a,

because even those are still only at that era,

like 4,200 pounds for a big sedan.

They weren't like today where they're 5,000 pounds.

So I think as we would get to a stop

and his brakes were like on fire,

they were just cooking.

So Paul, answer your own question.

If your two choices, your Alfa Romeo

or your Lotus, what would you choose for a rally?

Alfa Romeo, the Alfa Romeo,

if you've ever driven a GTV in anger,

they're like an old GTI.

They like to lift their inside rear wheel

like they're peeing on a fire hydrant

and they handle so good.

Their biggest downside is they usually have underpowered,

which this solves that problem.

But now you trade like Casey said,

more complicated Italian crap.

So, but a V8 in this car, ooh, that would be fun.

Do you guys remember when those Alphas of that generation

were being sold, the 80s Alphas,

which one was it that had the beautiful intakes?

Not the Milano, was it the Milano or the 164?

I think it was.

Yeah, it was crazy.

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