The Black Hole - DWA! Podcast Ep. #902

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Sorry about the cadence there, that was fucked. Just dropping it, dude. What's going on right

now? You know what I mean? I'm sorry, dude. It's a freshest. I get all fired up. He said

black hole and I was like, fuck, I got a flashback to the Oakland Raiders. Dude, that is a

song. It's funny you say that I had a flashback. It was the Oakland Raiders. I was explaining

to Art what the black hole in the Oakland Raiders Coliseum is. And now the hole in

the middle of the stadium, the same people, uh, fly to Las Vegas. Oh, I was going to

say their Warriors fans now or something. Now they probably are Warriors fans as well.

This is their whole personality is being a pirate Darth Vader that screams for three

hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is it. Yeah, it was just fascinating to me. Just like

thinking like some dude like having like a spiked shoulder, half of his face painted

and like chains on him. And then he's like, oh, can I please have two hot dogs? And

then like, just to walk to his car. You never seen these dudes. I'm so out of the loop

on football. I don't know anything about football. Sportsball conversation.

They look like a, what's it called? Kiss dude. Some of them do. Do you guys remember

from WWF Legion of Doom? That's what I'm imagining. Of course. Of course. So this

for the listeners that aren't familiar with American football, the Oakland Raiders

now Las Vegas, their cheering section, which is in the end zone. They have these

season ticket holders that have taken it upon themselves to create their entire

identity around the Oakland Raiders, Las Vegas Raiders. And they dress like

pirates and anything black you can imagine. Darth Vader is in the house. I

think there's a Chuckie. It's like a Mad Max, like bad guy group, like one of

the groups they would encounter in Mad Max, you know, exactly. Yeah, probably

they'd get overrun really quick by dude. Well guys, but why don't throw this out

there while you're, you got to give them a shout out because they have a

website. Just as we're talking through this, you can go to the black hole.com

Raider nations most notorious fan family. It's it's like flash animations

and stuff. It's all ghetto. I just want to say also that the Raiders

are terrible and they haven't made the playoffs in, uh, well, they went in

2021, but they haven't been deep into the playoffs since, I don't know,

20 years. Oh yeah. Al Davis is definitely alive. Um, their last playoff

win was 2003. What's the young Davis? Young Davis. What's the Davis that

runs it now? God, what is his first name? He is such a clean. They

always play that club. It's like my wife, my girlfriend's with me from

not for my money or my smile for my smile or something like that.

Our look up current Raiders owner and that is his real hair. I just want

to throw that out there right away. All right. Um, I forget his first name,

but um, he's Al Davis's son and he's probably 70 or something, right?

60. Interesting. Okay. So, um, and what is the, uh, wow. Okay.

All right. I don't know why we're talking about fascinating. Um, but yeah,

so I think you just mentioned that sorry while I was looking this up,

but doesn't he have like a gorgeous like 20 something year old wife?

Yeah. Well, he knocked up his girlfriend and, uh, the girl claimed

that she was with him for his beautiful smile, not the billion

dollars. Gotcha. That's exactly. Yeah. That makes perfect sense.

Um, just like the one that one guy that had Nicole Smith married,

right? Um, she left it. Well, that's, that's even more,

they were just in love.

She said it was pure love. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Also this is kids like watching ongoing. Please don't do this.

Raiders are an interesting franchise though. Cause they were in LA when we

were kids. They moved to LA and they came back to the bay and they

ruined the Coliseum and then by building Mount Davis. You know

that art? Oh, Davis, big old grandstands that are huge. And then,

and then they would have baseball games in there and they can't fill

the stadium. So it was just like tarps. It was just ugly. And it,

like, yeah. Historically whole thing kind of shitty franchise.

Yeah. It would be if they hadn't won so much like, and that

there was an era where they were very good and they had

70s, I guess. Yeah. 80s too. And they just, uh, they got a

big fan base and now it's like people's whole life.

Straight up gang shit. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Well, I'm, I'm envisioning.

I wonder if the Vatos and the black Holians fight.

The black what? Black Holians. I'm black Holian. I need.

Raiders for my blog. I need Raiders for my bungle.

So I was telling ours that I will hear this real quick.

I'll go for it. Sorry. You go ahead. I want to hear this fact.

Well, meet the super fans. Get to know the unofficial

mascots of Raider Nation are lady of Raider Nation and it's a

woman with a dress and spikes on her head the violator and it's

some dude with like white and black and white stripes across

his face and he's kind of full on characters. It's like

wrestling. Well, the reason I bring it up is because of what

Lane just said senior raider. He's wearing like a mariachi

hat with like, like those more to those kind of vibe and

then a gorilla. Rilla is a gorilla with like, I think a

ball around his neck and like a how bum does he do it? How bum

does he when it's hot and he's walking to the stadium in Vegas?

He's got a gorilla. He's asked to wear it. He's the character.

So Warren. I mean, maybe one day when it's hot, he's senior

raider and then then he switches over to gorilla. Rilla

when it's cold, you know.

Gorilla has a sweet. You never see gorilla. Rilla in the

in the heat. I want to bring this back to cars.

You only see them in the mist. Yes.

It's a Mountain Dew mist or Sierra mist.

All right. I've been to one raider game. This is 20 years

ago. Oakland Coliseum Raiders Titans. I was there as a

Raiders fan for the rain for the record for the record. I'm

a Niners fan, but I'm not going to wear red to a Raiders

game. Oh, gotcha.

And you're not, you're not wearing your other team. If

they're not playing like you don't wear the other teams logo

anyway, but anyways, I digress, but the parking lot.

95% not a joke. Silver or black cars.

Wow, they take it that. Yeah, they're that whole

personality. Yeah, it is life. It is life. Yeah.

Sucker is life. Yes. I mean, I have noticed that.

Yeah. You go through the neighbor, like those flags are

flying. They wear black sweatshirts and but you're

talking about the cars worn, right? Like the cars

themselves. I'm talking about the cars. I'm talking about

the cars themselves were silver or black predominantly

like overwhelmingly. Yeah. And this was also a game that

there was also 20 years ago before like now every

car is a silver. Well, you had to make a choice.

Yep. You had to make a choice. Yeah.

Anyhow, that was a long diatribe on the Raiders.

I'll bring this back to cars based on this stat.

So have you guys seen those, those charts where it's

the colors over the years and it's the bars themselves

or the colors? It looks really cool. You can look this up

like, you know, basically, you know, most popular cars

sold bar graph or something like that. And yeah,

every car is white now. Yeah. And it's like, yeah,

the white keeps getting bigger and bigger, but the

other colors fluctuate like in the 70s, the yellows

and browns got really big and like, you know, they

all in the 80s red was huge. Totally. And it's funny

to see those patterns and now it's just like predominantly,

you know, silver, white or black, right? Yeah.

And then the 90s, like green was popular green and gold.

There was a lot of blue in the 50s. It looks like

yeah, there's teals. Yeah. Good. Good.

No, those are cool to see who's dictating that.

Is it the chicken or the egg? Like is it the car

companies or the people? I wonder about that

because if you drive by like a Mercedes dealership,

all the cars they're ordering to sell to the people are white.

All white. There's like one black car, one silver.

And maybe they'll be like a single blue car somewhere.

But then they also could say, well, those are the only

ones that do sell. Yeah. I do think it's the manufacturer.

Well, there are trends also, right? Like, and that's

where I know, I know. I'm thinking it's not just the

trans start, but I think you start with a celebrity who

drove a car. There was motorsport, which used to be a big

thing. So in terms of the race, you could even say

like with like Porsche 911s, remember when the 997 GT3 came

out? Yep. Like that came out or sorry, the G. Yeah, the point

two, I guess it would be sir. Are you talking about all

of them? They were white. Yeah. Like white was the color.

And then all of a sudden, like everyone wanted white

Porsches. And it was all based on the GT3.

Those three trends. Yeah. So it's a combo, right? It's the

vehicle set by, you know, whatever. So if that car was

any color because it was the GT3, people wanted to be

like the GT3. So it could have been blue and maybe

blue was going to be the move. Yeah. Like 996 GT3 whites

is super rare color. Yeah. Yeah. Most of them were silver,

right? Yeah. This is true. Silver. Silver. You know, there's

probably more yellows than whites. Well, I think it's also

it's interesting too. From an enthusiast perspective, the

strange colors have a better resale value or maybe just

like a cult following. So then there's like people that want

the weird colors art being one of those right there after

a certain amount of years. What's that? It's but it's after

like a certain amount of years after times gone by. You mean

the nostalgia of said color because they are rare at that point

because no one bought them and then it becomes a popular

color. Yeah. Becomes a color that's desired because they are

rare and it's applied to man thing. Yeah. It's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. There's different different things going on there.

I mean, I think both BMW and Porsche have also

accommodated like custom colors for a long time, right?

So they have that as which gives you those kind of

kind of outliers and then those are the ones. Those are those

nuggets that later in the future, they're the PTS car.

That's like one of one or whatever, right? And everybody

seeks out. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, for me, it's like

it's it's part of like it's a way to sort of like help

like regulate this like car ADD that I have. Like, you know,

it's like when I'm seeking stuff out, like if I make it

super specific, then like there's like this hunt and

and also like I don't just buy whatever is in front of me.

Like I have to like take my time and find the one and

then I delay that and then I have it and then the the ownership

is short, but but I but I check the box. By the way, dude,

there was a fucking Daytona Daytona purple. What the fuck

it's called actually knows Techno Violet E 36 M three

with Modena interior, but it was a coop for sale here

locally and I almost went and looked at it, but it's

sold instantly. Like it was it was here at a dealership. It

popped up for a couple of days and it was gone. Is that what

Isaac's car is? Yeah, Isaac's is a four door sedan, but it's

Daytona over Modena Daytona. It's a color. No, he's got

like an M rain interior. I thought he had a hurricane. They

call it. No, Isaac here at beeline. Oh, a project. Oh

different. Exciting. Yeah, I think it's over Modena M

three. Yeah, four door M three E thirty six and I think it's

purple dog. I think it's Daytona. Yeah, I think you're right

because it's more purple. Yeah, yeah. It's more blue, right? I

can't remember, but I know it's darker in tech. Speaking

of colors, like BMW made two purples at one time. Crazy. By

the way, they didn't sell well either. I know that's the

thing, right? It said there. Then you have those which

were like put out there and just were not popular. And now

later, those are the ones that are the most sought after and

that bronze color was weird too. Back in the day, no one

of that. Oh dude. Yeah. Bizans. I love that color. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you would, but no one wanted that dude. I wanted

it always. That's a sick color, but for some reason, a lot

of them came with a magma interior, which is super

weird because that's like that green. Are you

familiar with that color? Magma is like it's like a

greenish brown. It's not good. That sounds like something

that like you cut like comes out of your. It sounds like

something that art would seek out. Well, maybe if it was

on the exterior, but not for my leather. Yeah, like I

what's the color? It's a green. It's like a brownish

green. Yeah. I mean, I can I can text it to you

one of you guys. I mean, people can look it up. It's

called magma and for some reason, a lot of Bizans

cars, which is already a polarizing color. It's

like a metallic copper came with this fucking color and

that's you would think it would have a black or like a

gray interior, right? Or even like a tan or something,

or even like blue, bro. Definitely not. But yeah, I'll

send you this. I mean, warrants going to throw up a

little bit in this mouth. So is that is that what

Isaac says? Is this magma? No, Modena is beautiful.

It's like that peanut butter. No, his mind is my

not. It is not beautiful for the record. Okay, I like

I know. I think you're in the mind. You're both in the

mind. No way. One of those. Otherwise people would

seek it out. No way. I just showed I just showed

I just showed a lay in a picture of this magma.

Wait, it's like it's just like a light. It's like a

medium tan or something cardboard brown. It is.

It has the greenest tinge. Which one? Like

cardboard. The one that I just said. Yeah, magma.

It's greenish brownish. It's it's not good.

Dude, I mean, I'm pretty flexible with weird colors.

And this one is really not. I don't know. This might

be what what Isaac's car. I'm sorry, Isaac.

Your interior is gross over Magma. Yeah, I haven't

looked at his. I know his seats are pretty ripped up

and stuff. Yeah, dude, opportunity to confuse

matters. The new BMW red interior is called magma.

Oh, okay. Oh, no longer cardinal.

Yeah, I guess maybe it's a different shade of

red. It looks a lighter shade of brown. I mean,

like the other the other red. Oh, yeah, it's a little

light. It's way lighter. Yeah. The cardinal is cool.

Yeah. Cardinal sick. My my what do you think of a

Buffalo Buffalo? I'm down with. I'm not into it.

I'm down. I kind of like it's like a gray, but

it wears naturally. It's like it's always it

never looks like. I know it's always going to be

always like dingy. Yeah, I could see that. I dig it.

But it is a high quality. It was popular on like

or it wasn't but it was like seven series six

series two. I feel right. Like it was in some M

fives maybe. Oh, I don't know. Or was it I don't

I feel like it's earlier. Oh, okay. I always

are. Yeah, I've seen on like early seven, like

87 series and six series and stuff like that.

Maybe maybe. Yeah, I was really frustrated. I

don't know if it was last week's TST or the

week before that. One of their listeners asked

if the E 34 M fives interior is more

similar to an E 30s or an E 36 is in quality.

And I was like, and they were like, no, it's

still kind of shitty. And I'm like, are you fucking

kidding me? It is like hand built. It is so

good. Better E 30. Yeah, it's so tight. It's a

better E 30 like with better materials. It is

as good as it gets really for BMW. So I just

don't think they have a lot of exposure

or they haven't sat in a lot of E 34s, but

having owned an E 34 and five, I was

like, I was I was doing what our listeners

do and throwing their beer cans at the

stereo, you know, wow. Yeah, you spilled

your bong water all over it. It was like

shot. I spat it out, you know, when you

pushed in and it blew it out of the

fucking block. And I like that you're

listening to a podcast on a stereo.

It's pretty sick. It's in my living room.

Like, you know, you have your what do

you call it? The graphic equalizer.

For sure. It has a very specific term.

It's not a it's not a what do you

call it? Not a tower. It's like a

what do you call that thing with the

thing that you press in and you can

hear it click with the little magnet.

Oh, that's home. It is a tower, right?

It has a very specific name. What the

house cabinet? It's a cabinet.

It's just a stereo cabinet modular

cabinet. Yeah. Yeah, but it always had

the glass with the. Yeah, it had the

magnet release. And you remember what

it feels like, right? Like little

God, I love it. Yeah, I would. Yeah,

that's like a nice little fidget

thing, right? It is nice. Very nice.

Speaking of fidgets, we went to

Michigan. We did. Yeah.

You were fidgeting around.

That was all fidgety.

I think it's our fifth

time in Detroit. If I did my

math right, we had our original show

on the water. Then we came

back and did Comerica.

Yep. And then we did two

heart Plaza shows. Yep.

And then, well, we did cars at the

station last year as well. And then

Radwood was featured at cars at the

station, which is at Michigan Central Station.

Finally, I had a chance to check

out that building. That is like

maybe a top five

building I've ever been in.

It is so impressive.

I don't know. I'm trying to think.

What else would it be? I mean, you

have to go to Europe to get some

500 year old like incredibly ornate

thing, but like this, I know I've

been to Europe and done that. So I'm

okay with top five. It would be

probably number five. I think that's

yeah. I'm just I'm also liking

that it must have been

to go there in the like 40s

or whenever it was the 20s

man like Art Deco. I mean in the 20s

too, right? But it was there

for so long and it was

talked about as the Ellis Island

of the Midwest. So if you were coming

to America from Europe, you would go to

Ellis Island and get on a train and you

would end up at this Detroit train

station. And it was just this

massive really ornate

building that fell into

this repair for 50 years

and then Ford

and a bunch of other city

folks took it upon themselves to

restore it. It took

a year and a half

to just get all the water out of

the basement before they could start

rebuilding a year

and a half. Well, that makes our

bridge project in Santa Cruz not look so bad

maybe. And they

said that if they'd waited maybe another year

or two, it would have been too far gone

to restore. And if you

look at it, if you look at the building

how it looked 15 years ago, you would

think that. And I mean, ultimately

it's this is like blank check, right?

That's what it took. It's a billion

dollars to restore this building

which is I don't know if that's ever been done

like has any building. I was wondering about that

too. I mean, what did it cost to rebuild

the

Notre Dame in Paris after the fire

or what did not nowhere

nowhere near.

Yeah, but anyways, it's incredible

building and

photos, especially the interior, do it zero

justice. It's so grand. Yeah, it's the

scale of it all. Yeah, you have to be there.

Crazy. Did you

guys, I mean, this is a side note

just when I remember, did you guys watch

the documentary on

Trey Parker and Matt Stone

buying that like restaurant,

the Mexican restaurant in Colorado?

I haven't seen it. Yeah, something

it's a mini, it's in a strip

mall. I've seen, I know a lot

about it, but I haven't seen it. And it's like a

theme park, Mexican

theme park slash, it's

not really a theme park. It's on a rides, but it has

like a diving

show into like a little

water thing in there. And when you eat your

Mexican food and it has video games and it's kind of

the Tonga Room of it's

like a Mexican Tiki thing, right?

Yeah. Yes. The reason I bring

that up is that he started

in on that project with like

whatever $15 million budget

and I think they ended up spending $50 million

for a restaurant.

And we're talking at a strip mall

building in Colorado.

Like it's not like a cool free

standing, awesome old

building or anything. It's an 80's

strip mall building. My buddy Chris

and I were talking about going because he's really

into it. I would want to go. Yeah, let's go.

It's not that far of a flight. It seems

like a fun

field trip, but

yeah, I need to watch that document. So you look at that

like 50 million or whatever it was. It was like

40 or 50 million just on that.

You're like a billion doesn't even seem that bad because

that building is so grand and

like amazing materials and stuff. This is a

shithole. This is like this building

right here. Dude, well

they should have they would have probably been

the thing is that with Michigan

Central

it's not even, I guess you have the

materials and the volume,

but the fact that it was so structurally

fucked up and they had a completely

basically rebuild it from the inside out

is what's insane.

Just as he was saying, you had

water pulled up in the basement

which affects all the foundation

and all of the internal

steel structure

so all of that had to be reinforced and

redone and it's insane.

I'm so happy they did it because it's

worth even visiting as a

destination because

of course you want to, while you're

in Rome, go to all the Detroit

ship, but if you're in region

it's worth exploring. I wanted to do the tour

but we didn't have a chance to.

This is a thing that's happening to all

the manufacturing plants in Detroit too

is all the rebar is

rusting and stuff because of water leaks

and it's rusting from the inside

and then concrete is just cracking

and basically the buildings are

unreparable at that point and

there are these huge factories and

they're really cool. They're very monolithic

and like

from the 40s and whatever 50s

and stuff. A lot of brick and

beams and all that stuff.

It's cool. I was

commenting on

Detroit in general is a little wild

it's just sort of a wild place

to be because

it feels like the cops have sort of

they've let things go. They're just

walked away. Almost understandably

there's only so much they can do and

there's a lot of

light things are falling apart a little bit

but the city is on like a rebound. There's

all this like rebirth and

Detroit's sort of having a little moment.

The lions are good etc.

And I've never been to a place that is

more proud of this

fact of the fact that they've come back

just everything is Detroit

power, Detroit pride

Motown

Detroit brewing Detroit

pet grooming.

You need to have that mentality.

Do you think it's because they were down

and now they're kind of up?

It's also very Midwest

This is more than I've ever seen.

Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with

just like any group

that has gone through like oppression

or strife or like, you know, it's like a way

to like it's that solidarity

right to like get you out of that hole and like

it's yeah, I felt like Cleveland was

like that when I was there. I bet Cleveland

could be like that a lot of that like hole because it was

a mistake by the lake. It was in turmoil.

It was like this shitty place and now they're like,

No, it's good. Like it's good. Like we have

cool stuff. I think that's sort of similar

and it's like everyone's wearing a Detroit

Tigers hat or has a tattoo

or every car

has some Detroit play.

We are from Santa Cruz like per capita

like the most Santa Cruz shirts like

like stuff because we have

like brands like fashion brands

that that's a little different

and the bikes and stuff and surfboards

and like yeah, it's a whole thing.

We're not just wearing like generic Santa Cruz.

This is like a very, very

prideful of Detroit going on which

I get it. It's a fun city and we had

like I felt like this time we were able

to let loose a little bit more because you

said last I remember you saying like

it was like just going off

like you said there was a Lions game

and it was like there was a concert

like a big concert right on the street.

Rock was playing and there was all this stuff

and you're like, dude, it was like so much energy

really take advantage of these summer months

like we were at the tail end of it

and it was still beautiful weather

but it rained like the next two days

and the leaves are starting to change.

You could feel like it was sort of a last hurrah

right like it's the last part of the summer.

That's very Midwest, right? It is.

You live in misery to celebrate the

like good times and when it's good times

you you're out. You're fucking going hard.

So Art and I went and got a

Coney dog which is their famous

you know the Philly cheese

dog is basically a chili dog

but it's got a special type of meat sauce

it's not like bean chili you'd expect to see

and then it's got

mustard and onions

and that is like the classic

classic one. We went to like the 100 year old spot

and it's a good hot dog

all beef kind of thing

and it was like it was grilled

but not too overdone. It was just really good

I could see eating like five of those things.

Chopped onions make it though like that's like

it just makes everything pop.

I love chopped onions. Yeah.

So yeah, I

feel like that place would be problematic

for me because I want to eat that. I love

that so much that that flavor combination.

I'm really into savory

shit like I actually

was for a while there making

like on a weekly basis

making chili dogs at home and

like I'm like yeah my metabolism can't handle this.

Yeah, that's not really dude.

Well, I'm having my stomachs

feeling a little weird right now because I had a tamale

for breakfast. A little large pocket.

Tamale ladies stop by here at B

line nice. This is like

a known tamale lady or just randomly

it was a Honda CRV

I think. Okay, so she goes around

all the shop. She's known though.

She knows what's up. They were piping hot

and good salsa. Yeah, so I used to

I mean you throw us the ones

that don't throw a salsa and

I know definitely

they're really good. Actually, they're big too

dude. Give me heartburn after I

mean I saw Sam feel hungry over here.

Well, what I was I was going to say after our

Coney dogs we had some time before dinner.

This is a pre dinner. Oh, just

a couple Coney dogs before morning

real quick before you get into the good dinner.

Let's

am I okay to disparage

our taco

experience?

We made

a mistake. We tried it. You know, we went to this one

bar we like as good drinks, but like

they had tacos and they had the full gamut. It was

like, okay, Al pastor. They had carnitas.

They had the solid all the stuff.

They had all the stuff. You know, maybe there was a

chicharron in there. Right, Warren.

And so, yeah, we tried

it. It was it was torches level who

was like that same crap.

Yeah, try to do and they act like they're so

good. Oh my god. Were they throwing cheese

was on that or what? I wish they did

it would at least you go full

torches. Yeah, but you know, it's like

never go full. It's got like the red

pickled onions on it and stuff. You know, like

you know, I just want to like a good taco

street. I know and the tortillas are wrong

at the end of it. We looked at each

other and and and yeah, Warren's like, yeah,

this is pretty much tortillas and I

said, well, that was

food. You know, like that was food.

We ate some

sustenance. Give it a try. That's a pretty

disappointing meal. That was when we got

there. But what I was going to say is after

Coney Dogs, we went to

Woodward and downtown

Detroit is like the end of Woodward,

which we all know from the Dream Cruise,

which I think would be a lot of fun.

It's like car spotting

nationals and everyone goes out with

their lawn chairs and barbecues

and it's a whole scene, right?

People watching and

what's cool is that

I think that culture and that experience

is just part of being in Detroit

and like southern Michigan.

So everybody when it's nice weather

once again, summer

is on a Friday night, Saturday night, they're

going to go out and drive Woodward

in their car. So we found we found some

seats like a restaurant close. We just

perched up, watched it go by

low riders,

you know, a new Ferrari

people in those beer

pedal cars with bachelor parties.

There's not like no cruising

signs or anything. No standing

signs the opposite. There's

I mean, I saw multiple

shenanigans right in front

of a cop and they don't give a shit.

That's part of the yeah, the cops

I think have just picked their battles and it's like

you're not like robbing someone for their car unless

someone's getting murdered. They're

probably pretty good murder

at the event

we were at cars

of the station. He needed to move some cars

through the venue to get it back over

to Radwood like they've gotten lost

and for the most part, that's a no-no.

You don't want cars moving during an event

with people on site is just part of

the fire code. So you

saw the fire inspector and you're like hey, just

so you just let you know like we're going to move this car. I'm going to walk with it.

He's like, oh, yeah.

What did he say?

He's like, I don't give a shit. I'm having a good

time out here, man. Like what?

He literally told me that.

Like whatever, narc.

He's like, dude, I'm chilling, man.

I'm checking out these cars like do your

thing, whatever. Like, I don't care.

Oh, that's so good.

Well, he actually and the way that

he ended it as I was walking away, he's like

to me, this is work right now.

Just walking around looking at these cars. So

I'm stoked, you know, like he was like basically

just saying like that was he was assigned

to be there, but he wasn't concerned

with any of the fucking code stuff.

He just wanted to check out the car.

All right, so good. Good times.

But yeah, so cars at the station, good

times. Radwood represented.

Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to do a full

blown Radwood in Detroit this year, but that was sort of

like the best thing we could do. And we hope

to be back. We love Detroit. Super fun.

Had a good time with the boys over

at the Anna Moya garage, formerly LBI.

So a couple of them live in Detroit and then

Adolfo is out from Philly and we had a great

time. So they showed us

good dinner spots and

a place to get a drink and hang

and basement

private basement night clubs

and public

basement night clubs and

what are the private? What's a private?

You don't want to know, Lane. I don't know.

It's not safe for podcast consumption.

I will say, you know, just to contrast

what we said about the shitty tacos,

oak and real was phenomenal, like

top notch food and wine.

It was, it was like coastal Italian

of all things in Detroit.

Yeah, it was killer. Really, really great restaurant.

Why does it call the Coney dog?

It's a great question, Lane.

We were nowhere near Coney Island, New York,

and some Greek immigrant

came over and started making this

thing based on a New York experience.

I've heard a few different stories.

Someone can call in and update us,

but this Lafayette's Coney

Coney dog Coney Island

started 100 years ago and then

they were brothers. They got in a fight.

The brother opened restaurant next door

called American Coney Dogs.

This is in Coney Island.

No, no, this is in Detroit.

And so they, this is just like

the Philly cheesesteak shit. Exactly.

Like the one across that you go to.

And one's, one's bare bones.

One's bare bones. One's all neon

and like American flags.

And guess which one had

nobody in it?

The bare bones one? No, American flag.

Oh, okay. So the bare bones one

had all the pictures on the wall too.

It's like Obama's sitting there eating wine

and all this stuff and very bare bones

straight to the point. You're actually

supposed to order it by how many

you say Obama ruined the place.

Thanks Obama. He's killing it.

That's the place. That's full. I know.

Yeah, he ruined it for you.

No, it wasn't full, but I could see it being very popular.

I love it though, like the Formica countertops

that are super worn out, you know, like

they're, oh yeah, they're all brown

like the, the whole, yeah, the

cop layer. Tina, but Tina, yeah.

And it's like fluorescent lighting

probably open 24 hours, you know,

like I can, you know, I

can picture so many interesting characters

in there at 3am. It's like, I was, I was telling

more and it reminds me of, it's like the

great equalizer, right? Like it doesn't matter

how wealthy or how poor you are. Like you're

buying that everybody hangs out, everybody

waits in line. And that reminds me of

like taco stands in Mexico at night in the city.

Like you have like chicks wearing all

their Gucci shit sitting on the sidewalk

eating their tacos and like construction

worker about to go out on his shift

at like 5am and it's everybody's been

out all night. Same deal.

Same deal. Yeah.

That's right. I do have a little travel

story. If you guys don't mind. Okay.

You know, you'd like a good airport. I love a good

airport story. Here we go. All right.

We almost need like a little bingo

card on this, like no shoulder room

was the window

open or close, whatever you dislike.

For sure. No shoulder room

as we all know. They've designed

planes in the worst way possible

where they put everyone at shoulder to shoulder.

Okay. Nice. Bring some up real quick.

My, my flight out to New York

JFK. Yeah.

Oh, never mind. I had the

like the upgrade. I had the small

upgrade. Seating was very

comfortable. Okay. Where were you

flying? Good question.

And I don't have answers for you.

United. Sure. One of those.

You don't know what carrier you were on.

Come on. It was just a plane.

What? And on the way back.

Think back. Think back. What are the

seats look like? What color are the seats?

Great question. Wow. Are you in drugs?

Good answers for you.

And mine grapes are losing it, folks.

Holy

shit.

My point is that I saw, I saw

a bitch and I wasn't even that pissed.

Whoa. Which is kind of gnarly.

Very. Yeah.

Yeah. Very gnarly. Yeah. Anyways,

we're going on. Okay.

So I had a 1230 flight.

I had time to go to a diner

in Taylor, Michigan

or something, which was exactly as

expected. Got to the airport a little

early. All good. Everything's fine.

I see a storm front moving in

to the airport by the time I left. Art

had an earlier flight, so he was already gone.

Don't think anything of it

shouldn't affect anything really.

We, we board the

plane. This is always so fun.

Everyone loves boarding and playing, right?

Don't you love it? Especially Warren.

Warren's a guy. He's like waiting.

It's great dude. I'm just listening.

I'm listening to fucking square pusher

over here just dancing in my own head.

You know, like I'm not even paying attention to what's happening.

What boarding group were you? I was eight of nine.

Nice.

I have a little status on Delta.

So I'm on five,

which is like five out of eight.

Yeah. It's not great, but it does

ensure that I actually get to put my bag

somewhere instead of folks. This is

a full flight. We have 20 volunteers.

Yeah. If you're in these boarding groups

late, you're fucked. We're going to kill you,

your children, everyone you know,

unless you give us your bags. And then you get

on the flight and there's like tons of space.

Oh yeah. And you see these assholes like

putting them sideways and yeah.

They put like a little handbag up there.

So anyways, board the plane

and everything went fine.

Sitting there for half an hour.

No movement. What is going on?

I am from the flight deck here folks.

Just want to give you guys a quick update.

We're waiting for a crew member

and we'll give you an update when they,

when they're arriving.

They don't go anywhere until this crew member comes.

So my first thought is

shouldn't you know if the crew member

is coming before you put all the people

on the plane that you're going to fly.

Well, get another update.

Hey folks, it looks like that crew member

is still not here. So we're going to

ask that you get off the plane

and take all your

shit with you, you dumb bitches.

Wow.

So we had to

disembark with all of our baggage

which is another great

part of travel.

Meanwhile, I don't know how you guys feel

about this, but I'm pretty sure

it should be the death penalty.

People walking up the aisle

before it's their turn

to get off. Oh fuck them.

And then creating a total cluster fuck

because the people that they're standing

now next to can't get out.

I won't even get up until the people in front

of me are, you know, like I was your normal

human.

And then this lady called this dude out.

No, I'm actually abnormal.

Oh yeah, yeah. But like, I don't mind

the get up and stand up is fine,

but if you're going to move to the

front of the plane thinking that

everyone else is like

being lazy.

What are you even doing?

I'm the only one wanting to get off

really quick. Exactly.

Exactly. No one else wants to get off.

So this lady called this dude out

and he said, I'm just trying to get up

and I'm thinking, where do you think

she's going to go? Yeah.

She's going to get off the plane and stand

at the top of the jet. She'll be right there.

What do you think is going to happen? We're all going to the same place.

There's one way to go. We're all going to the same place.

So that was fun. That's getting off the flight

that I'm already supposed to be taking off in the air.

I have to get off the plane.

Hour 45 delay have to get

back on

miss this wedding thing

I was supposed to go to in Portola Valley

because of this

situation.

What do you guys think here?

They cut it so close that they don't know

if the crew member is going to make it

and they board the plane regardless

and then maybe they got delayed

or they got sick maybe?

Usually it's flight to flight, right?

So they'll be coming from another flight.

Sometimes it's that or they time out

and they have to get...

I'm just really confused. Hold on.

So when the crew member arrived

you guys all got back on the plane

that they never show up.

Hour 45 later we got on the same plane

same everything.

And I didn't notice any new crew member.

Not that I was like taking inventory.

It sounds like some mechanical thing

they didn't want to freak people about.

They wouldn't say that.

And also mechanical takes forever.

I had to get a new plane in Seattle. It took four hours.

Remember we went to a Radwood at one point.

We had Texas and we had to get off.

We flew into LA and then we had to get off or something.

It was a one stop

after that we're like, we're not...

We're only doing direct and we're not flying

blah, blah, blah.

It might have been United dude.

Cause we had two flights in a row

that were like shit like that.

But the one we had to get off, get on a different plane.

It was a whole...

Anyways, it wasn't all said and done.

Oh, by the way, the weather was not a factor.

That's what I thought was going to happen.

I was like, oh shit, we did start raining

and we took off in the rain.

I just wanted to give you a little red herring.

Yeah.

I was watching the weather.

You can send me down that red herring path for sure.

Oh, the other piece was

we got on

and there were two nuns

and like dressed in full habit.

They're the ones who prayed for the storm to go away.

So that worked out.

And then when we got off the plane

the weather was coming in. It started raining

and I was like, what if this was like some weird...

Like if we had taken off

things might have gone south

and the nuns being on there

made this crew member not come

so we had to get off

this delay, et cetera, et cetera.

So that's when you found Jesus.

And now I'd like to bring you guys along

to do it so full night.

I thought you were going to go...

It was going to be a double whammy.

It was going to be a double kick in the nuts.

I got delayed, the crew member

and then when we wanted to take off

the storm came and now I'm three hours out

and it's like...

If this is delayed from weather

because if there's lightning

you can't have ground crew around the plane

so like the guys that are doing all the fueling

and everything, they have to go

inside and so if there was

an issue where they had to like do

something to the plane before we could take off

yeah, weather and I was like...

I started looking around and thinking

like, should I try to get another flight

or something?

Just go run up.

Like Karla Sines and Charles Leclerc.

That's right. Yeah, they drove from

Needs or something somewhere.

After the race last weekend

they couldn't get their plane so they drove together

we rented a minivan

and it was like them driving

and it's like Charles's worst nightmare

because Karla's is all happy, got third place

and he's like...

That's funny. I love that kind of stuff though.

Yeah, so anyways

it all worked out just fine.

Yeah, that's a long flight

to four and a half hours.

It would be annoying.

Yeah, it's just right

there. Is it five out there?

Or is it kind of the same? It's kind of the same.

Oh, he did say there's going to make up time art

just so you know. Oh, they threw it out there

just a little bit.

Yeah, nothing. And they gave us snacks

when we got off the plane. You know, they put a little tray

a little cone or what?

And I wish dude and then

a breath mint as we got off the plane.

All right. Look at that.

Where did you guys fly into San Francisco?

No, I did LAX.

I was in the new wing in San Francisco.

Same. A lot of complaints about the way

the restaurant setup is.

Who's complaining? I was.

Oh shit. Here we go.

I should say have this all.

They have like a Tony's pizza and they have

like good places, right? Like a coffee,

whatever Gibraltar coffee

or equator coffee, right?

But the way it is, it's like

it has this island

with like a condiment

an isle

that's called the island boys.

That's where you get.

Yes. That's where you get condiments and stuff,

which is annoying because it's a little

it's almost like a galley kitchen.

You walk through to get that stuff.

So that's cut any feeds from either side

of this like half circle

restaurant area.

The annoying thing. So the coffee

place is on the left side.

The way the line forms, it makes it

so you can't even get into the area

straight. Yeah. Everything is like

everything is just clumsy about the way

it was designed. That's horrible.

And I hate it. And then even the galley

kitchen thing, you're like going to get

condiments and you're squeezing down a galley

rather than being in an open area

with your milk and your stuff like that.

You're going into this little weird galley

and you're like squeezing by people

and stuff to get it very, very horrible.

This all like all around

horrible design.

So I am here to complain.

Well, I've got no, you're like, there's been

a lot of complaints and I'm like, who me

I got all positive.

I don't know if I'll go around it.

I like my experience there, but I ate

in a different zone. So I haven't

experienced what you're talking about. I mean, it was nice

being in a new wing. Yeah.

Pretty nice. And it was very nice after being

at JFK. Excellent.

Of course.

JFK is in the middle of like a

multi-billion dollar renovation.

I saw that they were working on it.

They're E30 updates.

Oh, good.

I got one for you, Art. I brought your steering wheel.

Your new steering wheel.

New steering wheel. Fresh as ice.

It's not fresh as ice, but it's pretty good.

I'm looking at it. Looks pretty nice.

Oh, dude, if Lane said it looks pretty good,

he's a steering wheel master.

So I'm there because he was blind and I'm like

eight feet away. That's okay because he was

saying they was like, I was kind of beat up and all that.

I'm like, I don't care, dude. I just need to replace

a Z3 rack and no power steering. That's not good.

So I'm excited.

Very excited. It looks good from here and the M

band is in good. Oh, thank you.

Nick. And they're usually,

those are kind of like tattered.

Yeah. They're all right. Sorry.

No, they're available now, but I think

FCP carries them again, which is nice.

You can get a fresh one if need be,

but that's I'm fine with what you have,

what you're providing rather.

So I say, I got to say,

Warren is graciously donating

this steering wheel to the cause

and he's giving it to me. I offered

to buy it, but he said, no, it's just sitting there

collecting dust. So I really appreciate

it. It's all yours. I was actually looking

for it. It's just a E30

sport steering wheel. Right. That's the

E30 sport steering wheel.

Otherwise, your option was like the base,

like the four spoke one.

And then they had like a thick three spoke

that's pretty ugly that a lot of convertibles

got. So yeah, the car is

everyone knows is at B line motor club

and I got a major update yesterday.

So it is currently

in pieces because

as we all know during

the last rally, there was a

prop shaft failure. You know, there was an issue

with that the way it was hooked up

and the guys at B line have been

the best about owning

up to this because it was ultimately a

little bit of a of a snafu

and it turns out

that that snafu led to

a damaged transmission

and so

you know, Nick again,

you know, being a stand up guy said, hey dude,

we warranty our ship for five years in

50,000 miles and this was our bad. So

we're giving you a transmission

replacement as part of this

rally prep. And so

they got two transmissions just in case from

a known good source.

So that's happening and

also the drive shaft is being

lengthened and reinforced because

you know what we did before didn't work.

So it was like extended. It was like

basically like extended

before something with bolts, right?

So yeah, spacers and bolts.

Yeah. And so this

is like a permanent solution.

So everything's reinforced and it's the correct length

and all that. So it should be

perfect for this application

and they're

doing my exhaust as everyone knows the car was

120 decibels at wide open throttle,

which is amazing.

So crazy.

So it's being like 118

Yeah, maybe 118, 112, you know, so

but it looks like we're just going to go old

school. I mean, I told him like as

he knows and we've been talking about

I don't care about the way it sounds out

the back. I want it to be as quiet as possible. So he's

going to put a big ass like suitcase chambered

muffler on the muffler on the back and

catalytic converter as well.

So we're going to quiet it down and

that's happening. But

the transmissions there,

the drive shaft should be here in the next

couple of days and

big update.

I bought a

427 differential that is there

as of yesterday.

Pretty aggro. So the

stock or what's currently in there, I should say

is a three seventy three LSD, which

the IS is came with and I'm going

to a 427

and so

we're significant blow up said transmission

so I can blow up that transmission. No, so it

rev it up. So I looked at the

calculator and I was originally looking for a 410

because those are

a little more common but

they're mostly out of

E30 M3 or 318

IS had them, some automatic

other cars had them, but

people want a lot of money for those

when they're in LSD form and that's a clutch

pack LSD, which is fine. That's

what's in my current car.

But this 427

popped up on eBay at an amazing

price and it's a Torsen, which is

a fantastic design. Those actually are

really robust and that's

what is a later design. They came in

like in my Z3 and

so I went

and looked at the calculator. Yeah, they came in

automatics. So automatic

Z3s with the smaller displacement motor came

with the 427

and so automatic with a limited slip

with a limited slip. Yeah, so I looked at the

yeah, I guess because it was a sport pack option

I looked at the calculator

and you know the top of

the second at redline because it revs so much

higher right because the redline on the

M20 is 6500 RPM and this

makes peak power between 7500

and 7800 like

I'm in second gear on basically

right there. It's like 59, 58 miles

an hour, you know, so it gets me to 60

and then the most important thing is

that I kind of messed up on explaining the

issue I was having before, but it's not the

spacing between second, third and fourth. It's that

they're all too tall. So like for

this particular setup. So by

making them all shorter like now I'm working within

that like it's perfect for the mountains

basically for the type of shit we do, you know

and so it's yeah

it's I'm pretty stoked because in theory like theoretical

top speed in fifth gear with

with the 427 because it revs so high

is 155 miles an hour

and I am never going 155

miles an hour in this car so yeah

I'm not worried about it. Of course, there's

the highway comfort and noise and all that but

like 75 or 76 was

like 4000 RPM, whatever

I mean like I'm not

120 decibels. That's

that's high dude.

Are you sure man? Like you go that speed

all the time. We're going to quiet all the time. No,

we're going to but it's quiet every time

you're on the highway you're going

this is like a car that I only use for

driving up in the mountains and going on rallies

every single rally you have to remember

dude those cars make like

the when they come on

like four thousands probably about right.

It's like equivalent to like

that is not an M20.

Yeah, it's like that's like being

at 3000 in one of those cars. Totally, exactly.

Yeah, it's like it's not

but noise is a thing though. Noise is a thing.

So yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're going to quiet

it down. We'll see how quiet we can get.

He said he was thinking of going with

like a like a quock quocker

a walker quiet flow like a stainless

steel like basically just

it's it's to quiet the shit out of it, right

which I'm happy with like I'm cool with that

and I guess I'll lose five horsepower or whatever

like I don't care like

for the sake of

just, you know, shutting that thing

up and I think it'll be way more enjoyable

but you guys will get to drive it.

We'll report back on how this whole

center feels but I'm really excited

about it though because I feel like

that lock up is going to be killer

and you know having that

gearing is going to be a ton of fun.

First gear is going to be kind of comical

because it's like 30 miles an hour

at 7800 rpm or something which is

so it's just shifting through I mean

you'll just get you'll just get through first gear

I mean yeah or maybe you might even take off

in a second so that's even like

a 2002 thing right those cars

are geared pretty low yeah just kind of get through

first gear you go like 18

right or something exactly what

is the did you fix the

throttle problem that's going to be

done as well yeah so they were looking

at doing the drivetrain shit first so

that they can get that sorted and then

tune it because they need to drive it to do that

and get all the stuff done so gotcha gotcha gotcha

I also have one more

plugging in a laptop so yeah

one more update I am

going to go with vredestein

sprint pluses

so we're going to reduce the

grip they have a

215 50 15

that replaces the

225 45 that's on there so a little

more sidewall it's an

it's an eight inch wheel it's not really a stretch

it's like appropriate at 215

and it's a

tread pattern that I think looks way better

on those cars it's appropriate you know it's

basically like pilot super sport kind of

looking right is that like the

80s tread pattern or no no it's not

any it's it looks like a just

like a super sport or Conti

DW like that sort of like just

what's the tread where 300

it's really

relative to what I'm used to it's

probably 320 but

the thing with this is that

everyone that I've spoken to that has experienced

them and you know more

and striven on them

camisa took his 190 cause worth

out on the gunaseca did a full rally

in in his e30 just recently like

a month ago and

it seems like the way that they're

categorized on tire rack is incorrect

they're a grand touring summer because of the

maybe low reading and style but

he said that they're kind of between

like they're not quite pilots

of a ps4 s but like a little

under that maybe closer to like the

Yokohama equivalent or something like that

but so plenty of grip

you know and also

great in all weather which is awesome

so um you know I mean not freezing

but you know that's not we're not driving in snow

where we're driving in cold weather but

still within much better than

the 200 tires that I have on there

so um so yeah it's a

I'm excited to try it out this car I'm gonna

have it on display at the reddestine boot

that at the

Radwood Socal event so this is

part of that deal closing the loop

I have this drive shaft

solid you know the

yeah let's see it I can't wait

rally and all Radwood

yeah so it's uh it's exciting I mean

there and then the I guess the final

piece of this before we get into questions here

uh they um there was some

some dents and stuff that are

were sorted on my hood and so

uh I don't think we've talked about it really but

beeline has a whole other like

auto body restoration

and paint like a new paint booth now

and like that's like a whole other arm of the business

that they're getting into so I think it was like

12,000 square feet here now

12,000 square feet there you go

so yeah there's a this

auto body and paint component and

they poached a pretty solid

painter he used to work

at Canapa right as a Kevin yeah

yeah so he did my hood I

haven't seen it yet but I'm sure it looks great

and he would do all like the 959

projects and stuff yeah pretty

legit so yeah I'm

excited to see it all back together and

get to ripper but he was pretty

pretty nervous pretty

working on the E30 hood

yeah it was probably super stoked

kept him up at night you know like

ah how am I going to get

those like placing hands

on his back or what beautiful

beautiful sculpted hood yeah

uh no that's you're in good hands it's great he's like we're going to

shave it we're gonna yeah

um well I'm excited to see it on the rally

it's actually what they ended up doing is they just made a

new one out of Bondo like they just like

molded it and it's just like

chicken wire on the inside

chicken wire

there's actually

so my car is coming in

to be line next Monday

for

rake it just pads

basically I talked about before

pad slap pad slap

and then there is

the jazz is 9-11 is here

right now and then who else's

cars here

oh Justin's Mark's was here too

Mark's car is coming back here to get rally

prepped okay is 60 or a 73

and a half target with a

2.8 liter and then

there's Justin's

um

Lotus Super 7

oh yeah I saw that uh

which is gonna be on the rally good luck

in that thing um

and then

my car is all dialed

your car is all dialed you need much

but uh thanks to the folks at beeline

oh then um

what other cars here

did you do

I don't know I guess

I think there's some other car well there's uh

for the rally why I word on the street is that

Lotus and lawn that we're aware of

hit up deer recently and it's gonna

get some fiberglass work done there

oh yeah that sucks

are they gonna hire you to do that lane

the fiberglass yeah exactly

dude the other day I was thinking real quick

I was thinking that lane has touched

more

Ferrari balls

than anyone oh yeah

I think you've touched more Ferrari f50

shift knobs than anyone in the world

I might have because how many did you restore

your previous gig

I don't even know probably

I so they're not all s50

specific

f50 yeah because a lot of some of them were like

five nine or I forget

which car it was like five

I don't know anyways but

probably of like

of just the f50

specific

probably at least like 12 cars

that's a while no 15 and then

yeah but you know

what I have touched more of definitely is

Carrera GT shift all the wood ones

yeah they get damaged

no so actually no I haven't even

touched them I've

no we didn't even touch them because

I would send replacements it was crazy

like we sold like

100 over 120

carbon shift knobs

to go in Carrera GT

which is kind of crazy

when you consider like how many cars there are

and the fact that we sold that many

on top of the fact that the wood shift knob is

so red it's like to the car

I know but it was like one it was

in this weird this is like colors right

this is that era everyone's like the whole

car is carbon fiber and has this

stupid wood shift and they're not celebrating

what Porsche put it in there for

which was nice 15

and then they're like oh it looks out of place

you know so and they would

replace it but they luckily we

didn't ruin the original one

yeah yeah

I got two

questions you don't mind

real quick double us these

out and then do some trivia

um

I just got an ad served from blue blocker

look at those sunglasses

what

I don't understand how they work

there's some blue blocker sunglasses that

Warren just showed they're like these two

like a

cylindric like visors

oh that's how they go they go that way

I was thinking they cup around

your face like with that

yeah blue blockers

alright

oh shoot I forgot to mention this

Ben Roget says no questions this week

just wanted to thank this amazing

community for the love and support for fill

last weekend our buddy

croc GT4

there was a little shindig for in his

honor he's going through some

health battles and

I think this community is rallying around

him art and I both missed it because we were traveling

back from Detroit which is sad but

sounded like a great time it was great we had

a control spot 456 lighthouse

right

he didn't really know what he was in

for so I heard

I talked to Steven he said it was like basically a surprise

it was kind of a surprise like he knew it was

coming to yeah but not the man drove

on his own and you knew like a few

people were meeting up or whatever but there

was 4050

people there and people came from far away

and people from far away and people were like

there we had pizza and beer

and mixed drinks

and it was a whole thing dude like

yeah he was he was

stoked and I'm glad it didn't turn

into like a whole like

wake or anything before someone you know

when someone's not not dead but yeah it was

it was actually like a fun it was

just a fun good time

right so yeah yeah it was cool

and like Kevin brought his

like GT4 there

and then people were like

signing stuff and Eric freeze

brought like a hundred little ducks

the flip-off ducks

and those were everywhere it was a good time

yeah we love you Phil

if you're listening we love you

dude well yeah we got to meet up with

him I wonder if he can make it out to SoCal

Radwood we should chat with him

full circle we got it

I just want to mention real quick sorry

croc GT4 was our first

DJ sponsored do you remember

that at SoCal he sponsored

the banner and he had a banner and everything

you came all decked out

that was our first game was like Tom Petty

he dressed as Tom Petty

and he rented a

van again Westie

yep yep yeah that was

pretty cool very cool

I think I think he posted a picture of that

just yesterday maybe

of him and I can still picture him yeah

with the wig on everything so good

so good Bobby read with the car

says I still have a steering wheel from a

1977 Trans Am that I got for my

16th birthday in 1982

what's the best part you've held

on to for the longest for a car

you no longer own

well I just got rid of a steering wheel

that I was holding on to

that was one of those

like maybe someday I'll get another e30

but you know if I do it will probably

have a steering wheel yeah I would guess

and it's collecting dust

and I'm I feel better about

getting rid of stuff like that now than I

used to but you're going to get to drive it again

soon I know right

be in my hands yeah any parts that you've

been holding on to I definitely have

I mean I have bins of parts but

the thing that

I have a license plate off

the first 944 I ever had

that's cool which was like

I've got in

I don't even know

1998

or nine or something

so I have one license place from that

and I can't it's like the license plate

is something 993

which is kind of interesting that's so

like but it's cool that it's like a Porsche

model sweet

yeah I have a ton of license plates I have

a stack in my garage and because I always

remove the fronts and I when I sell my cars

I just keep them at some point I got to do

the wall you know but

yeah we'll get there the

probably the coolest part that I have

because I have a bunch of small random

shit like cigarette lighters and like

but you know

a lot of e30 windows switches and

things like that but the coolest is

air compressor that it comes with

so

oh yeah I thought you meant like air conditioning

no compressor for the filling up your

tires and so I

I used it

at some point to

air up my spare

and I pulled it out and I had it on my

bench in San Francisco and I sold

the car to Alex Porter and I told

him like yo like it's you know grab it

anytime or let me know if you want me to drop it off

he's got don't worry about it and then I moved

and I never gave it back to him I reached out to

him you know somewhat recently about

it and he didn't seem to care about it so I still

have it and I use it I still use it to

air up my tires I have

you saw that car and he sold it on

BAT like six months ago or something

so I have the original compressor

to that car if you want it

owner six hundred dollars

so just hit me up

I don't have a lot of weird stuff I have like a

BMW flashlight

it's like a tiny one that

looks like it never worked though

mine works but it's so faint like

you wouldn't really use it anyway

I have a bunch of weird little things like that

but yeah nothing that's been

super long like

I've had for a long time something

yeah sentimental not super long either

I think I have this

I think I still have it I don't know where it is

but I have a

a 944 turbo coin

from a Porsche dealer that I got

in like nineteen ninety one

that's pretty cool but that's not from a car

yeah I got rid of a lot of parts that

I was holding on to for many

years when I sold the

30 so that was a truck load

literally of parts I went to

Chris I have a bunch of stuff I need to get rid of

yeah like 14 944

stuff oh I have a

actually I just remember dude

I have the oldest thing that I've kept

since college by the way

I don't I don't need this maybe it's my turn

to return the favor here so

my 2002 that I had

back then and I had talked

about it before it had I had 320 is for

cars in it I had the LSD from the need

21 and I think I told you I got

all these parts and at the time

I took the steering wheel

also off of this car and this was that

pick and pull so I got the seats

I got the LSD and the steering wheel

and I still have the steering wheel so I have

an e21 320 is steering

wheel which is a three spoke it's unique

it looks like a like a BMW

2002 turbo steering wheel it's that

like thicker three spoke and

but it's no good for your e30 no it's a different

spline and and dude so

it's been sitting in a bin and I've had it

for

shit since probably like 2003

or 2004

and it seems like one you want on display

maybe well that's what I intended

on doing and it's just sitting in a bin in the garage

but if somebody really wants it

I'll pass the the torch

I'll do the what do you call it karma

I can use that

oh you know what I have my I have a 924

turbo hood still oh no way you still have

that

yeah all right if you want to send me that

steering wheel I'll just put it back on the

shelf where you're all the dust do you want to

just straight trade it it's a six steering

I don't know how much they I don't know how

valuable they are whatever but it's a cool

display piece I think I have to do that

there is one qualifying piece here is that

it the leather was to beat up so I took

it off at the time so it's just like the

I don't know

you should start with that

desperately seeking

Suzuki says I'm in the middle of a

number of suspension and handling upgrades

to prepare for the Sierra rally and it

got me thinking when it comes to performance

upgrades are you a do it while you're in

there kind of person or are you a fan of

one factor at a time

where do you draw the line

I think it depends on what it is

but I'm definitely a fan of while you're

in there I'm a big fan of while you're

in there but a lot of times this what can

I afford what can I afford and time wise

like if there's some weird part that I need

to order in the cars and pieces yeah I

might say I'll do it next time I learned

that lesson early on with the timing

belt and no water pump and I'll never

do that again

exactly a lot of while you're at it

stuff yeah especially if labor

is essentially

you know at that point it's almost free

right if it's covered or very close to it

like you only have to go a little further

like I said repair

I'm a big fan of that and I think that goes

not just performance upgrades but for

everything really even in life you know

what I mean like at your house

maybe you're working on yourself like in

therapy and you could while you're in

there might as well pull that skeleton

out of that closet

here for this other one

Halloween Halloween's coming where do you

draw the line though so it's like I

feel like you know it's really

financial really more than anything right

it's time to it's if

like I said if you're in like your

example if the car is apart

you need the car and all of a sudden you're like

oh I should probably do that bearing

bearings a week away you're like

I'm not going to do that right like that's just

but how important is the bearing also it is it

about to fail or is it like is it just

fine but just while you're at it

just while you're at it

oh you know Chris Baca's here

like working on his Acura putting that

thing together you learn a valuable

thing which a lot of us

you learn you never

you never really apply it you never

you never learn it really

you learn it but you never really

learn it can't teach an old dog

new tricks that's right and you know

so he had his

injectors rebuilt yes and they were

sent to his house and he goes he's

got him and he goes sweet my injectors

are here puts them on a shelf

you know and puts a box on a shelf

opens them up when it's time

his engine is in his car he's like ready

to do it all three of them

are like just cracked still cracked

they didn't replace the little

ceramic part in the end

ouch other you're going to say they didn't put the

cushions or the yeah so they didn't

replace this the ceramics just like

totally cracked on it and stuff weird

but they tested them and it flowed fine

something's weird unless they got damaged

and yeah well trans being trans

other you're going to say he stored them

incorrectly and you put them on their like

a little bit of a nozzle down

if you get anything in there they're basically

like back to square one so

but what the other thing is those cushions

and the o-rings that go on the injectors

and like where they mount to the head

that's one of those things you don't

think about until you're there and you

really shouldn't reuse the old ones

and then they're hard to get sometimes

or like they may not have a full set

so they'll have like we have three of them

in stock are like great that's yeah

super helpful so that's another piece

of stuff going to return things

hmm yeah

it's trivia time but first

morning motors

September 28th

this Sunday this Sunday Sunday Sunday

and then we'll be on the Sierra

Raleigh October 3rd to the 5th

and then Radwood SoCal

October 25th and then

Radwood Austin November 15th

Art will be at the Peterson

on this Sunday yeah so swing

by oh during morning motors

if you're in L.A.

morning motors yeah by the Peterson

our Steven

sports car is going to be there and

he's gonna have his lightweight on display

in our booth and we

have an E32

E36 touring and

no techno violet that'll be with it

we also have four

door I forgot the four door E36

Alpina is got

an E24 some other stuff

you know so check it out

very good

all right we've all talked about

Honda Earth Dreams

we all know about that right

and we know about Ford

Coyotes right

we know about Metzger

engines right

but what is

or I should say who uses

SmartStreamG

to describe their family of

engines one more time

SmartStreamG

SmartDreamG

SmartStreamG

stream like river stream stream

sorry can't hear you

wow that sounds like a Korean also

I will I will note that

SmartStream is

the worst name for an engine

EarthDreams is worse but at least Earth

you're thinking like well they're trying to be

ecologically friendly I mean

it's no iron Duke but SkyActive SkyActive

is Mazda

EarthDreams SkyActive is

fine but also why it's kind of like

what do you act yeah

what does Sky have to do with it are we back to smog

talk

it's actively considering the sky man

you know keeping

smog talk conversation talk

SmartStream

I think it sounds Korean to me for some

it's like it's got to be

yeah

I think okay

I think Japanese

it just

sounds weird

Nissan

Art nailed it

Hyundai I knew it it had to be Korean

it's just it sounds like something

how did you guess that

I don't know just based on the Korean language

and like also just the shit that they named

their stuff before I don't know it just felt right

and it's also like

not something that I've heard of recently

with the Honda or Toyota lineup

and it's one word

SmartStream

G is for gas

G stands for gas

the only reason I know this

is we were at cars at the station

powered by Hagerty

and they had ride and drive

set up for a bunch of manufacturers

Hyundai being one of them and the engine

was the hood was open

and there was this horrible plastic engine cover

that said SmartStream G

was it a Genesis

or a Hyundai

either way it's a Hyundai product

there was Genesis there

and Warren felt he fainted

twice I had to hold him up

when he saw the prices for these vehicles

holy crap

what like 70 grand or something

dude they've got a new sedan

I don't know what it is it's a Genesis G90

I think it's a G90

and it's supposed to be like a five

series competitor maybe S-class

it's $102,000

for a freaking Genesis

and it is nice

it's not that nice

I don't know

I think I was telling Warren

they're doing the whole premium product pricing thing

if you're not

necessarily tuned in with vehicles

and you're looking to buy an SUV

and you're cross shopping

Mercedes, Porsche, Audi

and there's this Genesis product

that looks similar

to everything that you want

and if it's priced too cheaply

then it's a status thing

and it's also

it's still 20% less than the BMW

it's still cheaper

I just

when you're looking at it up close

and all of the

it's in pieces

it just is hard to believe

but look at the new BMW

I don't like those either

Genesis is at BMW level

and Mercedes is kind of questionable

these days too but

definitely not Porsche, interior or even Audi

but I'd say it's like

right around BMW

but yeah that's the world

the other one is 90 SUV

whatever Genesis SUV was

$92,000

and it just is hard to believe

a lot of piano black plastic

it's the world we live in

I'm just a

you have to like get in tune

with the pricing dude

well I also think there is something

what art was saying where

like this golf course locally to

Espace Tiempo

is a very very nice golf course

Ocean Views, Alistair Mackenzie designed

like it's

very nice yeah

and they were kind of just

bumbling along and then they

raised their prices I think

either tripled them and they sold out

because

throughout these cheap ones thinking that it can't possibly be nice

and

maybe that's kind of what's going on

dude the price point definitely is something like

you don't want to be in that weird middle ground too

the middle ground is the worst place to be in

but then like a value shopper you're thinking

you're getting a value with these brands

and I guess maybe you are because they're more packed with stuff

that you get on the other

I mean you still are getting it

like pound for pound you're getting a lot for your dollar

right it's kind of like a new Corvette

they're expensive but it's not

you get a lot for your

compared to Porsche

and then you also get a smart stream G

I mean you get that too

you know what

our biggest

when we do like a free event

or even

when we don't have sign ups for an event

you know you get so many people

when you have them pay $5

to sign up for an event

they all end up coming

they have skin in the game

and they end up wanting to be part of it

and it's like oh it's going to sell out

and if it's just free and anyone can go

we've been talking a lot about that

and this is like the Radwood stuff too

when we started it was like

we can't do this thing for free

just real quick

the 2025 Genesis

GV80 so this is like

an X5 competitor

supposedly Porsche Cayenne

so they start at 59

for like the base model

and all the way up to

85 grand for the prestige trim

and the M5

sorry the X5 starts at 62

so it's like 6 grand more

and of course the Cayenne starts at

significantly more at 30 grand

more so

it's still the cheapest in the segment

but not by a ton compared to BMW

in particular I mean and this is not

looking at Lexus or anything else

so yeah it's there's still some value

there but I feel like comparing

the base Genesis GV80 with a base

X5 I think you're going to get a lot

more shit in a GV80

I think so too

it's like the Nissan

Proposition back in the day

they would be kind of loaded

and then the Toyota you'd have to add things

that's how they got you

so anyways $102,000

gets you a Genesis sedan

I wonder if they'll sell for that

it's hard to wrap your head around

$100,000

it's also hard to wrap your head around

going to the great place

that's also a weird market

for a family of four

it's a weird market too

because the SUV buyer

is your average

stereotypically is going to be

the soccer mom

it's going to be a family hauler

and there's a lot more there

where folks for the most part are not

super clued in on to what's hot

except for whatever

it's more perception based

and I feel like

when you're going to S-Class level

if you want an S-Class you're getting an S-Class

and I feel like as an exact

that's what you're going to get

so it's kind of a weird place to try to compete

it doesn't make sense

the SUV stuff

you just want the most content

or bang for your buck

and that's a car that you don't care

what engine it has either

everything is going to propel itself fine

that's like why we wanted to tell you

it had all this stuff and it was

pretty cheap

it was affordable for everything you got

yeah

value

alright that's podcast thanks for joining us

we'll see you next time

bye

you

The Black Hole - DWA! Podcast Ep. #902

Porsche 911

BMW E36

BMW E34

Hyundai Santa Cruz

Honda Crv

BMW Z3

BMW M3

Porsche 959

Ferrari F50

Porsche Carrera GT

Porsche 944

BMW E32

Hyundai Genesis

Genesis G90

Mercedes-Benz Sclass

Renault Espace

Chevrolet Corvette

Genesis GV80

BMW X5

Porsche Cayenne

BMW M5

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