The Cadillac Of Racing, The Recipe For Discomfort, The Family Tesla Dumping Ground | Episode 1,004
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The Cadillac Of Racing, The Recipe For Discomfort, The Family Tesla Dumping Ground | Episode 1,004
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Concept
Goodwood Festival of Speed
The Goodwood Festival of Speed is a big car event in the UK where people can see and hear different cars racing up a hill. It's a fun place for car lovers to gather.
Car
Hyundai Ioniq 5 N
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is a sporty version of the Ioniq 5 electric SUV. It has more power and special features that make it fun to drive, especially compared to regular SUVs.
Car
Hyundai Ioniq 6 N
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 N is a sportier version of the Ioniq 6 electric car. It has special features and looks different to make it more fun to drive.
Term
zero to sixty time
Zero to sixty time is how fast a car can go from a complete stop to 60 miles per hour. It's often used to show how quick a car is.
Car
Mazda MX-5 Miata
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small sports car that people love for its fun driving experience. Some versions come with automatic gear changes, which some drivers feel take away from the excitement.
Car
Toyota GR86
The Toyota GR86 is a small sports car designed for fun driving. Some people think the automatic version isn't as exciting as the manual version.
Car
Mini Cooper S
The Mini Cooper S is a fun, small car that has a sportier engine than the regular Mini. It's popular for its lively driving experience.
Car
Subaru Impreza WRX
The Subaru Impreza WRX is a fast version of the Impreza car, built for performance and all-weather driving. It's known for its rally racing background.
Car
Tesla Model 3
Car
Tesla Model S
Concept
performance EV sedan
A performance EV sedan is an electric car that is made to be fast and fun to drive. It's designed for people who enjoy a sporty driving experience.
Car
Porsche Taycan
The Porsche Taycan is a luxury electric car that is designed to be very fast and fun to drive. It's made by Porsche, a brand known for high-performance sports cars.
Car
Ford Bronco Raptor
The Ford Bronco Raptor R is a special version of the Bronco that is built for off-roading. It's made to handle tough trails and rough conditions.
Brand
Hyundai
Hyundai is a car company from South Korea that makes many different types of vehicles, including electric cars.
Term
battery conditioning
Battery conditioning is how electric cars keep their batteries at the right temperature and charge level so they work well, especially when driving fast or on a track.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 is a super-fast version of the Corvette sports car. It's built for speed and performance, making it one of the best cars for racing and driving enthusiasts.
Concept
Nürburgring record
The Nürburgring record is the fastest time a car has completed a lap on a famous racetrack in Germany. Car companies try to beat these records to show how fast and powerful their cars are.
Car
Ford Gtd Mustang
The Ford Mustang GTD is a special version of the Ford Mustang that is built for high performance. It's designed to be faster and more powerful than regular Mustangs, making it great for racing.
Car
Chevrolet C8
The Chevrolet C8 is the latest version of the Corvette sports car, known for its powerful engine and sporty design. It's different from older models because the engine is located in the middle of the car instead of the front, which helps with handling and speed.
Term
C9
C9 is the name people use to talk about the next version of the Corvette that might come out after the current model, the C8.
Term
manual transmission
A manual transmission is a way of changing gears in a car where you have to do it yourself, usually by using a stick and a pedal. It's different from automatic transmissions that do it for you.
Term
ZR1
ZR1 is a special version of the Corvette that is designed for high performance and speed, making it one of the fastest Corvettes.
Car
Chevrolet C10
Car
Toyota LFR
The Toyota LFR is a new car concept from Toyota that focuses on performance, especially for racing. Like the Lexus LFR, it's not yet a final model but shows what Toyota might create in the future.
Car
Lexus LFR
The Lexus LFR is a new car concept from Lexus that focuses on high performance, especially for racing on tracks. It's not yet a final production model, but it shows what Lexus might offer in the future.
Car
Lexus LFA
The Lexus LFA is a fast, luxury sports car made by Lexus. It has a powerful engine and a unique look, and only a few were made, which makes it special.
Car
Chevrolet Zora
The Chevrolet Zora is a new Corvette model named after an important person in Corvette history. It's expected to have some exciting features and improvements.
Concept
F1 cars
F1 cars are special racing cars used in Formula 1, a popular motorsport series. They are built for speed and performance on racetracks.
Car
Volkswagen Gtis
The Volkswagen GTI is a fun and sporty version of the regular Volkswagen Golf. It has a powerful engine and is designed for people who enjoy driving.
Car
Pagani Wira
The Pagani Wira is a very expensive and fast car made by the Italian company Pagani. It's known for its cool design and powerful performance.
Term
C8
The C8 is the latest version of the Chevrolet Corvette, a famous American sports car. It has a new engine placement that makes it perform better.
Car
Skoda Rapid
Car
Buick GNX
Car
Porsche 911
Car
BMW M5
Car
Cadillac CT5
Car
Cadillac CT4
Car
Cadillac Optiq
Car
Dodge Viper
Car
Tesla Model
Car
Honda Civic
Car
Cupra Born
Car
Shelby Cobra
Car
Audi R8
Car
Lotus Amira
Car
Ford Focus RS
Car
Toyota Supras
Car
Alpina Z8
Car
BMW Z4
Car
Nissan Z
Car
Bmw 2
Car
Porsche Cayman
Car
Renault Wind
Car
Mazda Miata
Car
Porsche Boxster
Car
Jaguar Ftype
Car
Ford Lobo
Car
Ford Maverick
Car
Volkswagen Cc
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Genesis G70
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Nissan 370Z
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BMW Z3
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Toyota MR2
LIVE
We're back again, thanks for joining us as always, and we are diving right into, let's see, we've got all the stuff, we've got the news, we've got the car debates, the questions, the car conclusions, I'm going to talk about the movie Superman, which I saw this past weekend with my son. Cool. I'm going to be spoiler free, but I am going to talk about the Superman movie a little bit. That will happen later, but we're going to dive into things related to, I don't know, cars and stuff. We should probably start at Goodwood, which happened this past weekend. Yeah, it did. The only place I can think of, where people gathered or drive a person's driveway.
I just, they call it driving up the hill, then you're driving up Lord Marches driveway, which is actually pretty cool, and I realized it has been a decade since I went. That's amazing. 2015 in June, since I went. It seems really cool, but yeah. It's really spectacular. It's excellent. It does seem fun. All kinds of things about the hill this year. Car manufacturers build three story displays. It's a massive event. It's a major deal, but everybody's out there camping, and then it's six in the morning.
Engine fires, and you're up. You're up. It's going to be a great day. I love it. Seeing stuff. The big thing that we wanted to talk about that was revealed or shown at the Goodwood Festival was the new Ionic six in. You've heard of the Ionic five in. This is the Ionic six in. That's right. So the Ionic five is that SUV hatchback thing that we drove against the Ferrari of all things. It made sense. Watch it on our original YouTube channel. We actually made it make sense is why we're driving against Ferrari. This is the six, which I
have to go ahead and say has always looked awkward. You think so. What about it is awkward to your eye? I think the back is it drops away incorrectly, especially from the straight back. The rear three quarters not great. And the straight back just looks like somebody stepped on it. Okay. Okay. I have warmed to it. I felt similar. The front end has been revised, but you'll notice that it is now the performance blue. And Hyundai has done the same thing they did with the five in. So it's six hundred and one horsepower.
With the overboost, which gets it up to six hundred and forty one horsepower. And they're claiming a what three point two seconds zero to sixty time, which really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah. What matters was that it was driven up the hill up the driveway at Goodwood Festival of speed and introduce there. It is not available yet. It is not in dealerships to my knowledge. Nobody can order this yet. But I feel like every journalist really loved the I five N. Yes, agreed. Now here's the I six N.
Charging about styling about the six N was it didn't look like anything else in the Hyundai's lineup. Sure. Yeah. Does it relate stylistically to anything? Take away the colors. Five. Is this the same car company? Yeah. But what I like is they're trying things. And you know what in this performance trim. I mean, of course screw a wing to the back of anything. I like it. It's pretty cool. But I think this is pretty interesting. And I just I liked what Hyundai is doing. I did watch the drifting up the hill.
Yeah. And new front in helps monstrous clouds of smoke. Yes. The new front in help. It's actually something about making the the back axle having a big a wider fender back there helps the shape of the back for me. Yeah, that's the drifts back here. But even in the normal spectrum. Just a little bit of the haunches in the back. And I think that does help. I'm very curious about this because we like the Ionic five N very much. And we complimented it quite a bit on camera and against a Ferrari.
We're talking about how I feel like Hyundai is the first to create the sensations that we like from gas cars in an electric car. And it was surprising how much having those reference points for when to shift. I mean, everything's fake. All the sound is fake. All the shift points are fake. There's a lot of sound. They've all been programmed. Yeah. But but those indicators subconsciously help you engage with the cars doing. And it was very interesting to discover that. So I'm wondering does that matter to people like my son as they grow up in a world where there are more like
electric cars. Are those reference points going to matter as much? That's my first question. But my second thing is this is probably going to be very fun to drive if the Ionic five N as any reference. Yeah, I expect it to be here. Will these sell is my question. Is there a market for performance EV sedan? I mean, look, I know the Model S exists. I know the Model 3 performance exists. I know that, you know, they're out there. The TyCon that kind of stuff. But is there a market for this comparatively affordable performance EV
is that a buyer? And the second thing is this is a car like the Ionic five N who a lot of the conversation we're starting with the Goodwood Festival to speed a lot of the conversation is take this to the track. And while we welcome electric cars at some of the hooked on driving events in Northern California.
It's actually very EV friendly because one of those tracks, EV friendly, not all tracks in the US are. And I still. I feel like following you through here, you know how 10 years ago, if somebody wanted to do a cross going to drive in an EV, it was news. It was like, here's how I stitched it together and made it work. Yeah, I feel like right now in 2025, that's taking an EV to a track day. Oh, I can do it. It's really cool. It's fun. I can kind of get just enough power.
If I if I skip this session and I go to that session and I make sure I go to this track and I plug in just like this, then I can get it's it's it's not for all the things that EVs do well tracking is not really way up there yet, even though they have a lot of power and these have good dynamics.
So I'm just I'm very curious to see in general because you and I are obviously talking about people that go to race tracks a lot more than we used to because of hooked on driving. I am intrigued for electric car owners to bring their cars to the track.
But I just wonder how much of a market there is for buying this for street use and let alone taking it to the track. I hope they come. I just don't know.
You know, to your point, I wonder if Porsche by introducing the Tykon and performance versions of it and actually doing a lot of tracking, especially with the Turbo S Turbo GT
and the Vysok pack for the turbo GT. I'm wondering if that has introduced that is stratosphericly too expensive for most people.
Yes 250,000 dollars when you're finally done with a Vysok pack and everything that you want to take it to the track.
Wait two years in their half price used.
Well, maybe so, maybe so, but this is even less than half of that car.
You're right.
So if that's intriguing now, the problem.
Is it a problem if people take, if people buy a track performance car, performance focus car and don't take it to the track?
Does the same, does the same problem exist if you buy a Bronco Raptor R and it's shiny and clean.
I see way too many clean Raptor R's around Port City.
It's a very good point.
They just commute. People like, why do you, it's just image at that point, take it off road.
Every one of them should be covered in dust and dirt and mud at all times.
It's sort of like the badge of honor.
Yeah, I agree.
But if you drive one of these and you don't take it to the track, suddenly you've got a great handling, great performance car.
These, particularly Hyundai, in addition to Porsche, I don't know that any other manufacturer is leaning so heavily into the track performance part of their EVs.
They've got battery conditioning.
Knowing that if you buy one of these, certainly you'd take it to the track.
It was introduced.
Well, it's a track, but it's a driveway.
It was introduced in someone's driveway.
See, that is the way we should be able to be talking about this.
This was introduced on someone's driveway, which is not too good.
Really right, but also correct.
But then, yes.
In context, you see this thing going crazy.
Like I said, the monstrous clouds of smoke coming out of the back end of this thing was mind-blowing.
Cool car.
It was sideways.
The driver was just wiggling a little bit and just punched the throttle and the thing was sideways instantly.
Wow.
It was rather satisfying, very entertaining.
So maybe the TyCon has set up the market because the TyCon's, to my understanding, for the first six months of 2025,
haven't been selling all that well.
No, that they're also really expensive.
So is there a market and does this take that?
I'm very curious.
That's right.
I'm intrigued by this.
I definitely want to drive it.
Knowing how good the ionic 5N was, I'm very intrigued to drive this thing.
It'll be very good.
I'm just really wondering.
And we talked about it some last time.
I'm wondering what is the market for all of this and we shall see.
I want to talk about something else you guys have brought up.
It's very interesting to me that Corvette is still having rumblings.
We talked about the rumors before, where we talked about the ZR1 and ZR1X.
And we may be ranted a bit too long, but we talked about it because we were like, where is the Zora name?
And there have been rumblings now.
And here is the latest rumble.
Tony Roma, not the restaurant, by the way.
Tony Roma is now the key restaurant guy.
Apparently a different person.
He is actually lead engineer now on the Corvette.
And he said, there's something else coming, we're not done yet.
Now, some people are reading into that and saying, that means there's a model coming above the ZR1X.
But then there's to do what?
Well, but see, now we have a what?
We have a what?
Because we start to read further into the interview.
What he's talking about is, the we're not done yet is they want to take back the ring record from Ford.
They want the ring record back that Ford has taken with the GTD Mustang.
They want to get it back with a variant of the C8.
So this creates more questions and answers.
Because the big question is, does this mean they're going to make another model that happens to be the one that breaks the ring record?
Or they're just going to take the ZR1X and crank it into an inch of its life so they can get the record back and offer a special pack,
a number-gring ring version, whatever.
The ZR1X lord of the rings version.
There you go.
Lord of the ring?
Yes.
They want the LOTR.
Yes, I'm sure they'll be very easy to license.
They'll be very easy to license.
The lord of the rings is super simple licensing.
Yeah, it's going to be so nice.
Yes, it'll be the lord of the rings.
Yeah, I like lord of the ring version.
So this is the discussion that Corvette is saying we are going to do more.
But they keep saying do more underneath the guys of we want that ring record back for America instead of Ford having it.
So I'm very curious what this actually means.
And then we've talked about this before.
If you make a version that is just completely dialed in for the ring.
Do you want it for anything else?
And then it just becomes that I bought the lord of the ring version.
And it sits in my driveway and I go to cars and coffee with it at trundle speed.
What what which will happen?
What is this really?
It's intriguing.
But what is this going to be really?
I think it's interesting that Chevy says they're not done.
I want to ask the other question and that is what's up with the C9?
And I like the C8.
We've owned a C8.
It's excellent.
I like all the versions that they've made.
But we're hearing zero about if they're even working on a C9.
And if there's going to be one in three or four or five years,
they would need to be working on it now.
So what's the story on the C9?
I'm holding out hope that by the C9 there will be a manual.
Because I think the industry even around Corvette.
I'd love that.
Has changed enough that I think there is a lot of handwriting on the wall if you will
that if they had a manual it would be good.
I'm amazed by the C8 and all these versions are cool.
I want to drive the ZR1 and the ZR1X.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then the lord of the ring edition I guess.
I will do that as well.
That's coming.
We know that's definitely coming.
Clearly.
Yeah.
We'll see if there's going to be a C9 and they bring the manual back.
And they'll just be revised time and maybe power bump and you know,
a few other tweaks here and there.
Maybe they bring the lightweight version, the T that I've been asking for for at least a year now.
The ZR1 XT LOTR.
Yes.
It's going to be great.
Uh-huh.
With the ZO something pack.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
You got to work the Z in there somewhere.
Yes.
If it's not Zora, put the Z in there.
So what will the C10 be?
I mean, I'm looking way down the road.
Oh, you are.
Yeah.
That's going to be 20 years out.
Go develop with Lockheed Martin.
And some sort of propulsion system.
Yes.
Uh-huh.
I like it.
A lot of the things at Goodwood.
I saw that Renault concept that we had talked about a few podcasts back.
Go flying up the hill, up the driveway.
But what I've been in so intrigued by for the longest time now and I found renderings,
this is not the final version.
Yeah.
This is just a rendering on the internet that somebody did based off of the camouflage
for the new Lexus LFR and Toyota LFR concepts.
So that would be the track only version.
But just the fact that Toyota is introducing this.
And this was in camo version, both versions.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
I guess the Lexus and the Toyota versions were at Goodwood driving up the hill.
They weren't really going crazy because they kind of wanted to show off,
but they still kind of wanted to be secretive.
And I wanted to find something that kind of looks like something close to it.
I mean, you're taking what they've seen undercover and Lotus of, in part,
the Lexus current design language and what the LFA looked like because the LFA
that seemed that opening beneath the Lexus logo, that's something from the LFA.
This is the LFA replacement, if you will.
The next type of car.
The next type of car.
So the LFR.
And I will see.
I'm very intrigued.
They value Zora.
Chevy doesn't.
Why not?
They'll use Zora.
The Lexus Zora.
Now you're really confused.
Chevy's going to use Lord of the Rings.
Lexus is going to use Zora.
It's going to be exciting.
We don't know.
It's going to be all kinds of stuff.
It's so intriguing to me.
So yeah.
The festival speed was really, really great looking this year.
And a lot of course, crazy hyper cars, super cars.
There was a Ford truck that crushed everything.
But you can't buy that at your dealer.
Of course not.
And it's not street legal.
And they bring out the old F1 cars.
All kinds of stuff goes up the hill.
I cannot wait to actually go at some point.
I really want to go.
I'm very intrigued by it.
Sure.
There's another bit of news that I stumbled across.
There's not a lot to this story.
But I was intrigued.
There is a data analyst at Heggardy.
That was looking into auction prices.
And just tracking auction prices.
And by the way, on a separate note, auto tempest is our partner for when you're buying a car.
Yes.
And auto tempest is just introduced a new thing that typically is only existed on auction sites,
where you can actually look up a car based on price data.
You can just say, what are Pagani Wires going for, or GTIs?
Depending on your pocketbook, you can just see what has been the progression of cars.
And if you go back, if you can see the huge spike that existed for COVID and how cars have settled out,
you can see the most expensive things, selling the cheapest things, selling.
So you can understand what is the market doing, whether you're trying to figure out how to sell your car
like when to sell it because we've got a couple of things we're selling this C8 and your GTS.
Those are both going to happen soon.
But also you're looking to buy.
Am I getting a worthwhile price?
You can measure that as well.
But out of Heggardy's studying on what things are selling for under auction,
they decided to cross reference the data about auction sales with mileage.
Because of course, if you really want your thing to sell for a ton of money in an auction,
it's got to have no miles, right?
Okay.
So the people they were looking into, the brands they were looking into were Ferrari, Porsche, Chevrolet, Ford, and Dodge.
And what's hysterical about this?
Are they saying this particular reason why they picked only those brands?
I don't know.
I guess the proliferation of brands that are sold at auction?
I guess.
So you can see this chart here that is showing how many cars had, for example, between 10,000 miles on them.
All right.
9,000, 9,999.
And most of the cars going at auction for most of the brands are in that range,
between 1,000 and 10,000 miles, most of the ones selling were selling in that.
The one with consistently the least miles was Dodge.
Vast majority of Dodge products available for auction have less than 100 miles.
Are they all, did they say what they were?
Hellcat powered something?
I'm sure it will be.
These special edition, Hellcat, Demon, whatever.
What this tells me is that all these Dodge...
It's tells me a couple of things.
It tells me that Dodge special editions are the cars that people buy,
not to drive, but to rapid plastic.
Which is too bad.
Which is too bad.
Which is, too bad.
And they're very fun.
It tells me that.
It also tells me that there's no other Dodge is going to auction,
but these things that people think are collectors items.
That's the other thing it tells me.
But I just thought it was fascinating.
When you think about high-end brands,
I would definitely think that all the Ferrari's that show up at auction are super low-mile.
for low mile.
No, there's a decent amount of cars showing up.
I would have never guessed Dodge.
But Dodge, apparently with Dodge,
we just don't drive them.
We just, we leave the plastic and we buy them
and we auction them off later.
What it tells me is there's a pocket industry
of people that are just buying Dodge's speculative
and don't want to drive them.
Don't ever plan to.
It's like the price goes up on Dodge's.
It's like the run of the GNX.
Yeah, those cars were built to auction.
To never drive people bought the GNX back.
The Buick GNX back with it was an American car
with the turbo.
They bought it back in 87, 88 and they just parked
in their garage, wrapped in plastic
and they all brought them out in like the last 10 years
and now they're worth money
and they shouldn't be worth what they're worth.
But the key thing is this has no miles.
I'm saying all of this to say the thing
that we said many, many times and that is please
go drive your car.
Agreed.
Please don't buy your car because of what you think
it'll be worth when you sell it.
Don't do that.
Drive it.
It's its entire purpose for being.
Anyway, except for Dodge buyers.
Except for Dodge buyers.
Special Dodge is apparently supposed to be auctioned.
But you know, if they had dropped that Hellcat engine
in the Pacifica minivan, you'd want to just hang on
to that rapid and plastic.
Don't use it for minivan stuff
because then it'd be covered in drool and dog hair
and- No, but just leave it wrapped in plastic.
So you're going to be better for the family.
Just leave it wrapped in plastic.
Not because you're trying to keep the miles down.
Just be the rapid plastic.
Yeah, dogs, kids, minivan, hellcat, I love it.
Is that the hell van?
What is that called?
I really want to know.
Still not sure.
Yeah.
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Can we bring back the statement
that everybody always used to use
and people still kind of do?
And that is, well, that's the Cadillac of something.
Whatever, yeah.
That's the Cadillac of Ferraris.
Yeah, that's the Cadillac of hotels.
Yes, it applied to any top thing of whatever category.
It was the Cadillac of that.
It was a very American term
that existed all of my growing up years.
Always, people still bring that term out
to indicate that the top class.
And you know there's like Conex eggs and Paganis
and remodging.
My Bach exists, Rolls Royce exists.
Yes, exactly.
But it just doesn't seem to roll.
And it fell out of favor in my opinion
because of the association with the particular buyer
of Cadillac's.
Okay, sure.
My grandfather was very much a Cadillac man.
He started with Buick's.
And then once he got to middle management
with progress to get a Cadillac above that.
He had Cadillacs all the way until he got
in late 90s Lexus.
He discovered Lexus.
But that's the Cadillac of Toyotas.
It is the Cadillac of Toyotas.
Is it not?
Somewhere, somebody is beating their head against a wall.
There's a marketing person right now
who just, they're gonna quit.
They're just, they're done.
We just called Lexus the Cadillac of Toyotas, everybody.
You know my Bach is the Cadillac of Mercedes.
Anyway, yeah, it does work, it's just also annoying.
I have decided, we have been noticing
that Cadillac is now the Cadillac of racing.
Isn't that interesting?
Cadillac is the contender now.
Cadillac, you didn't see CUN, neither did we.
Cadillac is the Cadillac of almost every racing series
that it's in.
It's got an incredible lineup of vehicles.
And now they're going to be the Cadillac of F1 cars.
You realize this is coming.
You can reapply that statement
and it is now fresh and relevant.
And anytime you bring up Cadillac in the modern era,
I have a list of accomplishments
that Cadillac has done over the past years.
They developed that 5.5 liter V8 powertrain
used in the 2023 and 2024 IMSA and WAC seasons.
And that's the powertrain that winded it
wound its way into the C8, right?
Is it a variant of that?
Variant, I believe a variant of that 5.5.
I mean, that's been around.
It's been around.
It's been around a while.
It came from and then it made its way into the street car.
They have had 13 podiums in the last 12 years
of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
I didn't realize that.
And also interesting about that.
That's a question.
I realized how movies affect me and all of us watching.
But because of movies like Ford versus Ferrari
and because of just general consciousness,
if I were to say to any American on the street,
quick name an American team that's done well at Le Mans.
Is anyone going to think of Cadillac?
How many brands are you going to go through
before you get to Cadillac?
What's the Cadillac?
You're going to think Ford.
You're going to think Ford.
If I asked you, winning Ford is closely associated with that.
You're going to think Ford.
You're going to think Ferrari.
You're going to think, oh, you know,
Audi had all that string of winds for you.
It didn't Toyota win at once.
Oh, if you really get in the weeds.
Oh, yeah, Mazda had their rotary.
How many people are you going to have to ask before you say,
name me a winning Le Mans team
and they're going to go Cadillac?
Their car is the Cadillac of winning Le Mans hypercars.
That crazy.
That they're actually doing that well.
And they've done Cadillac has been for a while,
continually making these really good race cars.
I know you've got a better list.
I want you to dive back into it.
But it is funny to me if you were to go to the average person
and go, what American brand is going to join F1?
Would you think Cadillac?
I mean, I know this is not breaking news.
I know this is around for a while,
but I still am laughing about the fact
that the American team that's coming is Cadillac.
It's not even Chevy.
It's not even Corvette.
It's Cadillac.
Now that you say that, I wonder about
from our podcast discussion about Christian Horner
and you don't have Ford is partnering with Red Bull
to jump back into F1, could that impending relationship
have affected or in part?
I know there are other extenuating circumstances,
but the extenuating circumstances
called Verstappen.
Maybe it was Verstappen.
Anyway, there's two of them conspiracy theory.
There you go, yes.
Okay, well back to the Cadillac of race cars
because the car that you see on screen currently
is the Cadillac Hertz team Jota.
That set the pole position for the 2025 24 hours
of Le Mans car, the hyper car class.
That is that car.
They are currently as of this podcast recording
in second place in the FIA hyper car,
WEC manufacturer's championship.
Ferrari is first Cadillac is second and Porsche is third.
Cadillac is currently in second place.
We don't know how to hire Ferrari.
But still, Ferrari, you don't,
I don't think the average person takes that way.
Interesting, because we'll come back to F1
and Cadillac's debut in F1 in the 2026 season.
They will be using Ferrari engines
for the first three years of their existence.
They just placed first and second in the 2025.
We were like six hours of Sao Paulo
that was at Inter Lagos ahead of the Porsche Penske Motorsport team.
This car, the Cadillac team took first and second.
Porsche took third and fourth.
Cadillac is a winning race team.
How frustrated are the Porsche race team managers
to lose to Cadillac?
That has to hurt.
Cadillac.
What is the Cadillac?
The big boats with the fins, that's who beat us?
That's what everybody thinks.
The Valour Bench seat boats with fins.
Just beat our Porsche 911 variant.
I'm sure around the track.
Yes, my grandfather's choice in cars.
I don't think he ever had the 59 or the 62,
but he had some pretty big boatish 70s Cadillacs,
the kind of the forgettable ones.
It was like the cool of the 50s and the 60s,
and then just my grandparents had them too and loved them.
Lincoln ramped up to the 60s,
and then you want to float down the road,
you buy a Cadillac, because that's what you buy.
They're floating down to victory.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, they're throwing out floating for downforce, I think.
So, to my knowledge, I'm rocking my brain.
Help me out of here.
I think they're the only current manufacturer
on the planet building, not one,
but two rear-wheel drive sedans,
that are manual transmissions.
BMW is the only one offering.
BMW would be the only other Mercedes number right now.
How many models on the M lineup they offer in manual?
I just, as of like this recording,
I don't know how many.
You're right.
BMW certainly would be.
They have offered the three and the five prior,
but I don't know if the latest M5
is even available in the manual.
I think so, but I, somebody's correcting
as you write in the comments right now,
but to your point.
But these are standouts.
The CT4 and CT5 V blackwing cars,
wow, you want a rear-wheel drive?
High horsepower manual transmission?
That's actually good to drive,
and we've finally driven the CT4
that will be part of one of the films
coming out on our road trip to Coda
and on to Tail of the Dragon.
We actually drove a viewers, a fan of the show.
Thank you, Karim.
He let us drive his CT4 blackwing,
and he drove it kind of an anger on some canyon roads
and went, wow, this car is better than I thought.
Yeah, he actually fell in love with it a little bit more,
but the point you're making here
is back to kind of the same joke we just made
with the racing, and that is,
if you think of a car that is those boxes,
well, I want a really good luxurious family sedan
that's got a lot of space for doors, rear-wheel drive.
You think of the BMW, but then after that,
you're never going to think Cadillac,
and frankly, you're going to think Chevy before Cadillac,
and yet here they are doing it.
They are the last holdout, but put it on the way.
That description I just listed,
that is an American car description.
I'd like a large sedan, four doors,
rear-wheel drive, manual transmission and a big engine.
Shouldn't that be every American manufacturer,
and the only one doing it,
whereas a Cadillac badge.
That's weird.
Can't do it with Dodge.
Can't do it with Ford.
Can't do it with Chevy.
Yeah, it's like a dot, no, you can't do it.
You can't do it across the board.
It's Cadillac or nothing in the US.
And that is an American car description.
You're right.
BMW, yes, obvious.
I want to name it, but we're limited.
It's not just manuals across the board,
and a lot of those cars are all-wheel drive.
Still, I want to name outies.
I want to put other European manufacturers out there.
Yes, no, what do the folks all you have?
No, no manuals there.
It's just the GTI.
You can get yourself a rear-wheel drive,
Ford or great driving family sedan from Porsche,
but it's got a PDK.
Yeah, no manuals there.
Yep.
So with this F1, oh, by the way,
they also just recently introduced that Celesteak EV.
Well, think of their product portfolio.
They don't have any lightweight small cars,
but they are a winning race team.
Two, rear-wheel drive manual transmission to sedans.
Two, one of the most popular large SUVs
that also was a V series, the Escalade.
The Escalade, which comes in V,
and now comes in Eek electric version.
The Escalade Eek, and now they have the Lear Eek
and the Optiq and the Celesteak.
So they've got a lot of EV selections.
They've got their Escalade.
They've got quite a range of cars here.
But they're just about to enter form of the one
for the 2026 season, and as we said before,
that will be with Ferrari for the first three seasons
from 2026, and then starting in 2029,
they will be building their own F1 engines for their team.
The drivers have not been sorted out.
Maybe by the time this recording is out,
maybe Sergio Perez has been selected with somebody else,
but this gives them an opportunity
to select an American driver.
Sure.
I think Elton Herta is way up there personally.
I think you should be considered.
Don't know what their selection process is like.
It doesn't matter, but their drivers are going to be selected.
They are going to be an F1 engine manufacturer,
which means that technology and that know-of-yes.
Yes, what is that trickled down to Corvette's stuff, yeah?
And therefore, is it time to bring back a Corvette variant
that is a Cadillac that leans heavily on that LMDH car
as a style guide that really says,
because Cadillac doesn't have any of those racing cars,
for the street.
True.
They don't have that connection,
that last connection for their customers.
You can buy something that is incredibly high-performance
that you can take to a racetrack
that ties in with the Jota race team at LMDH
or the Daytona hypercar as well.
They don't have product like that, but gosh,
the new Corvette is pretty awesome
and they could revisit that 2004 to 2009 XLR experiment
that was, I think it's time for that to come back.
Poorly conceived then and the styling was not on point,
but now imagine that LMDH kind of styling,
that car on the Corvette chassis
and they could go nuts.
They could go even more aggressive
because they have the race team to back it up,
the Le Mans winning race team.
That's so crazy that you could actually say
there is a high-performance Cadillac mid-engine supercar
or hypercar that has connectivity to F1 and Le Mans.
I would imagine that.
When you think about the 60s Cadillac,
we're all imagining right now, the 80s Cadillac,
the big elder routers of the 80s and that kind of stuff
and we're here.
I mean, I love it.
But it is.
Remember that period?
Oh, yeah, the SLS was not a good period at all.
That's all that.
I blocked that out of my mind.
Now it's back.
Yeah.
It's gonna be very interesting
because this was the luxury standard for the world
and now it's kind of the US racing standard for the world.
Yeah, much to Ford Shagrin.
But there we are.
You've also got me reading the Hollywood Reporter now
because I've discovered that Keanu Reeves has decided
to come alongside Cadillac, the F1 team
to produce a documentary.
I don't know if you know other news or have read
other news about the series, but I've heard rumors
that it's apparently gonna happen.
We'll see.
I think it's gonna happen.
Keanu Reeves has done some stuff about Rally.
He's done some other stuff as well.
He is a motorcycle maker and a motorcycle rider
in his own right.
He's done racing again in Rally and elsewhere.
He's done a couple of the little small documentary series.
I had a buddy that at one point was writing a script
that was supposed to be Keanu Reeves
starring as a Rally driver that never really came about
with these documentaries did.
This is a huge car guy.
He's the right connective tissue to do a thing
about the Cadillac F1 team
because you knew there was gonna be a series anyway.
That was coming no matter what.
It think it's cool that he potentially is involved.
We'll see where it really goes.
The thing about the Cadillac of F1 teams,
the rise to become the Cadillac F1.
Their drivers will be like the Cadillac
of a Cadillac of F1 drivers.
We can bring that statement back and fly it to everything now.
Which the problem is though,
that could quickly become a joke too.
I'm sure it will be.
We'll be in our meme culture
if they're not the fastest two drivers
on the grid that's gonna be,
well here's your Cadillac of F1 drivers.
That's true.
Which is all bad.
Look out, guys.
It can only get worse from here.
I'm very curious to see where it goes.
That could be used against them in a negative way,
but be careful of anything that's the Cadillac.
There was a time period where the actual tagline
was standard of the world.
That's why everybody said the Cadillac of whatever.
It used to be Cadillac, standard of the world.
And who knew it was actually kind of mattering and racing?
Pretty crazy.
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Great couple of car debates for this round,
for this episode that we've got first Dustin writing to us
asking if he wants the Viper Sting.
Okay.
All right, Viper's don't sting, though.
Do they?
They really, it's more of a bite?
Well, you know, I don't know.
I agree.
We'll go with Sting.
Yes, he's mixing his stingray and his Viper ideas
into one thing, but that's fine.
He's asking the question.
He's 30 years old, married three kids.
He currently has a 2024 Honda Pilot
and a 2023 Tesla Model Y Performance.
Three car seats in each, as you can obviously tell.
Neither of those are anything like a Viper.
Prior to the test of the first car I ever had,
that he purchased him a dealership
was a 2017 Civic Si Coupe sold it for the third child
was born because again, they have a pilot
and a Model Y Performance with three car seats
in each vehicle.
Wow.
Okay, so he understands that those are not going
to be enthusiast cars.
He's decided he wants to know the enthusiast car experience.
He said he practically grew up inside his dad C506.
Apparently he slept in there
and it was just liked it a lot.
So he has a background in performance cars.
He's curious about getting a third vehicle
that is just fun.
Again, we have two, I want to hit this one more time.
We have two vehicles each of which have three car seats in them.
That means this family owns six car seats.
Okay, I'm just putting it out there.
Six car seats, probably a lot of stroller variants.
There's a lot of plastic around in this house.
So this is the exact opposite.
They want a two-seater, no storage space performance.
That's where we start.
And all of a sudden he goes, I think I want a Viper.
Dustin and his family are in Arizona
so that could work year round.
And Dustin practically grew up in his dad's C5 Corvette 06.
You're right.
Then because he thinks he wants the Viper,
it's because it's Corvette's rival.
They seem rowdy, exciting, giant V10
and coming from motorcycles.
He's fine with discomfort.
He finds humor in the Viper's compromises.
That is an incredibly tactful sentence.
He has no problem getting a vehicle
with little creature comforts.
So Dustin's budget is a soft max of $60,000,
pushing it for a Viper.
He's just not sure which one to get.
So it's, I have other options for you, Dustin,
but it sounds like we need to choose
which Viper variant that you're getting.
Yes, I agree.
That is certainly part of this.
And he says he likes the original RT-10.
He thinks it's beautiful.
This one is the RT-10.
It was the one that barely came out of the shed
and sometimes the build quality was a bit questionable
and they didn't even offer it with a roof.
It came in full-time target.
There was a little like snap on roof thing
that was available apparently, which was hysterically bad.
I'd still like to drive this car.
I would do, I would do.
I would still, this is the original Viper
but build quality was not its gift.
There was no benefit to being anything
but imperfect weather.
But he says here we are in Arizona
and it's frankly, it's too hot
for a full-time convertible and I'm sure you're right.
The other part of it is we actually have some people
that we know that have Viper's including
somebody on our Discord name Nate that's got one
and they are notorious for a staggering amount
of heat generated.
Can't imagine more.
From the V-10 and the huge transmission tunnel
and the pipes below the doors.
Right there.
It's all heat.
So now you have a car that's generating a ton of heat
while you have no roof while you're in Arizona.
He said that's not going to work.
There are three basic gins.
You have the first gen.
You have the second gen GTS which is actually,
well, that's actually not even right.
The second gen is the SRT-10
and then the third gen is the crazy, crazy one at the end.
But what you have to know,
I've got a little picture in here of the GTS
that most of us are picturing that is the Viper
that is the late version of the first gen.
They did the Porsche thing with the Viper's.
They have like a dot two.
There's three official generations
where it was a full redo.
But there is a second half of each generation
that is a major refinement.
So you can also almost think about it
as like five generations of the car
because the first two generations
have major changes halfway through.
Yep, yep.
But the one he wants is this one.
That you're all picked.
Even if you can't see right now, I know what you're picturing.
You're picturing a blue Viper with white stripes
and the flowing cup back.
And the double bubble roof.
Yes, that is the one he wants.
That is the signature Viper.
That is, it's the best looking.
Late 90s early 2000s is the generation for that.
That's the one we're all picturing.
The problem is because we're all picturing,
it is the one everybody wants.
And those typically run,
I looked them up the day on auto-tempest,
bring at least 100 grand.
If you want to go to when it's 130.
The RT-10s are cheap.
That's what they have never built that well.
So what's 60?
What Viper is 60?
That's the thing.
He can get into the generation after this.
This is a late first gen.
He can get into the SRT-10s,
which is this refinement
that frankly is my least favorite generation of this car.
So we've got the cool double bubble
and it's still got the proportions and surfaces
but somehow it doesn't have the sexy flowing.
It enters.
It doesn't flow as well.
At 97, 98 GTS, yeah.
So this is the one they could afford
and they are the least desirable generation
of them all behind the RT-10,
which is only for specific people.
So this is the one he could afford.
This is the generation that Nate on our Discord has.
And he loves it, okay?
And you can get the early ones
or the late ones, they did make them in 07,
like 03 to 06 is one version
and then they did the revision and then 08 to,
I think, 2010, they did another version.
So a lot of revisions,
kind of like the Porsche.2 idea,
but big old V10 and side pipes, everybody.
Yeah.
You can burn your leg on the early ones
on the side pipes.
You gotta be really careful.
The interiors slowly start to catch up
but air conditioning's a big thing with these.
You gotta make sure the air conditioner works
because it's generating off a lot of heat
and you're in Arizona.
So they could get one of these.
Drive it at 2am, I guess.
After a thunderstorm, I have to say
the last gen is the last one I ever drove.
I drove one of the earlier ones, the SRT ones.
I never drove the GTS, which I would love to drive.
And I got to drive this last gen
that they just got making on track a few years ago.
And it's a beast.
And I have to admit,
as much as I like super small light cars,
this is my guilty pleasure car.
I also knew this would resonate with you
because you've had like 2% of you thinking about vipers.
The same part of you
that wants to buy a big overlanding truck
is the part of me that just stands
and just stares at a viper for an hour.
If they had those, it seemed like you'd get lost
the truck section.
I'd just get lost in the vipers.
It's over by the vipers.
Do I need a vipers?
I don't.
Would I like it possibly not, but I just want one
and these late gen ones are fantastic
and I'm a big fan of them.
But I like all the vipers.
The big question for all of this though
is is that really what you want?
And my number one question for you, Dustin,
is have you driven any of them?
Because I don't get the vibe from this email.
He's ever driven a single one.
I don't get that sense either.
He's looking for big power manual,
no need for back seats.
Not particular about the age of the car,
but something unique and special and exotic if possible.
I went after the discomfort part, Dustin.
Oh, look at you.
That resonated with me like crazy
because nobody writes to us with discomfort
is like my top priority.
Like make me uncomfortable.
Everything else is comfortable with my life,
except for the fact I have three kids
and three car seats at one time.
But yeah, there's no discomfort going on
and that's a great point.
I like it.
You know what car was uncomfortable?
Look at you.
The C6-ZR1, I looked up our video.
This is our video.
It's still on our channel from 13 years ago
if you can believe it now.
It's our understanding that shortly after we drove this car,
Top Gear, I think America had this
and it was crushed because it was totaled.
I think so.
They damaged it quite badly.
This car doesn't exist anymore,
but speaking of discomfort, I recall distinctly,
we drove this car and got into it
and then I think you were both you
and I were sort of reluctant to admit to each other
that we kind of hurt our shoulders.
We hurt our necks.
Because of the 30 to whatever ending speed you end up at,
30 to 90, 30 to 120, whatever that was,
you're in second or third gear
and we decided what will she do?
Stop on it.
Let's find out and we both hurt our necks
and our shoulders just from the sheer force.
We weren't prepared at the time.
We had become better, better trained
but we were not prepared at the time.
That was not prepared at the time
but this I have fun memories of.
I like it.
Cool car.
Remember it had it showed off the engine
under the acrylic plate in the hood.
Yes, they put a clear engine cover
on the nose of a car.
That is not common.
Dustin, even though this is a Corvette,
you grew up with your dad C506.
This is the next step after that
so it would be very familiar
and now guess what?
Your kids would grow up in a vet with you.
That'd be pretty cool.
But I kept pushing.
I kept pushing towards more discomfort.
Okay, all right, great.
What else?
And so I decided that maybe you should go
consider something like a cobra replica.
There's a Pokemon, there's superformance,
there's factory five, there's back draft,
there's a ton of builders.
Do the Daytona ones.
Those are the best.
You could do the Daytona.
In fact, by somebody's finishes.
That's what you want to do.
Shelby Cobra also has side pipes
that you can burn yourself severely on.
It's really loud, uncomfortable.
You're not protected from anything.
The Daytona I like because of Arizona.
I like the Daytona version.
Well, then I just like the way that looks
so much, it's fantastic looking.
We drove Haggerties car a few years ago
and we're very uncomfortable,
but I think both of you and I really liked it.
It was 2400 pounds.
It was fantastic.
With the lowest power engine.
It was thunderous to drive.
It was so loud and those were the quiet pipes.
And I begged to differ.
Those are not quiet.
If there were louder pipes than that,
we're going to render the universe.
You and I were wearing ballistic quality
actual earplugs to survive being in that car.
The kind you screw in the ear, the crazy ones
that you can't hear the person next to you talking
and the car is still thundering through.
Yeah, definitely need quieter pipes.
So there you go, that's my choice for you
is to get a Shelby Cobra replica
because with half that amount, you can go find one
that is just raucous.
That's good.
That's insane.
And once you take people for a ride,
I mean, it's the original discomfort recipe.
Is how I looked at it.
You're right.
Well, and the Viper choice for you.
That's excellent.
And the Viper is a carryover if you want to think about it
of taking the idea of the Cobra
and bringing it forward in time.
That was part of the inspiration
for the Viper originally for sure.
That's make a new Cobra idea.
And that was the thing that they were doing there.
I have to save your money.
Make it even more deaf.
Your left calf is permanently tattooed
with some sort of weird burn mark.
Everybody climbed.
We did it on the Cobra.
You climb out and you burn your calf
and you just walk around like a badge of honor.
Like look what I did.
So I kind of feel like you're going to wind up in a Viper.
By the way, I found in my Viper research,
the most ridiculous Viper ever.
And for those of you that cannot see this picture,
I will describe it.
It is a late what?
RT10.
What?
Hermannet convertible stretched more than double
its original length into a fully convertible limo.
And this is currently for sale.
What?
For $143,000.
And it is a four seat limo.
Two seats up front.
Two seats all the way at the back.
What's in the middle part?
Is there a hot tub?
I don't know.
I'd have to see enough photos.
But there are two seats all the way in the back
and in between is, it's not even a door.
It's just body panel.
This is more than twice the length of the normal life.
You just do to have your way into the back then.
Well, there's no roof.
So there's nothing to stop you from just falling
over the side.
So anyway, so I had to show that Viper.
But this brings you back.
I can't believe somebody built that.
And they're trying to sell it for over for six figures,
which is crazy, $140,000.
Anyway, Dustin, I actually went somewhere that Paul went
and then I went somewhere else.
Because we are looking for fun first.
You said unique.
You're not worried about the comfort level.
But you want performance that's a little dangerous.
And I went C7 Corvette 06.
It's been good.
But the sleeper chart.
It's 165,000.
Exactly.
And the reason I thought of this because
the conversation you're having about the RT10 is,
it's the one that interests you, but there's no top.
And the great thing about Corvette's,
and specifically the 06th,
great thing about Corvette's is if you don't get
the convertible, they are also a target.
Yeah, true.
So the 06 has a full target panel you could take out
and put in the back if you have just a perfect moment
in Arizona where the weather's perfect.
But the rest of the time you can drive it
with a great air conditioner and a full top on.
So because you haven't driven any of the vipers
to our knowledge, it doesn't appear
you've driven a lot of them.
I wonder if this is what you're looking for in a viper,
but in a car you're actually going to use
and love all the time.
And I think this is a little bit better looking
than that second gen SRT10 version of the vipers.
It is.
So that's a very cool one.
It's a sweet car.
I do like that.
It also is a lot better looking than the limo version
of the first gen.
Anyway, I had to go back.
Your Uber is arriving.
What?
You know what?
I'm gonna walk.
I'm fine.
So there's that.
But then I had one other one because you're talking about
you want powerful, unique two seats.
You're intrigued by the viper because of the V10.
You like manual transmission.
All these kind of things.
I thought, wait a minute.
You know what, another possibility is here
that is actually in his price point is an Audi R8
and you could get it in convertible.
And the convertible for the R8, and again,
I know that you're not necessarily leaning convertible
but you're kind of curious about it because of the RT10.
The thing about an Audi V10, you could get a V10.
There's that possibility.
But even if you get the V8, that is a unique car
with a good engine, a good gearbox.
That is a fun car to drive around
in meaning condition on the road.
It's just very, very fun.
And the convertibles are a nice line to convertible.
That's one of those convertibles.
Those cabriolace style, very nice line convertible tops
where if it is hot outside,
you could close that convertible top
and you're gonna be shielded from the weather
and the heat and all that much better
than you would in your typical convertible.
A lot better than the RT10 snap on thing they had.
Anyway, so whether you go R8, V8 or V10,
if you can pull it off, I think this is unique enough
and maybe in convertible, even all the variants
that you want.
I think an R8 would work here if you don't go viper.
But my biggest thing for you, Dustin,
is take every opportunity you can to drive the viper
because I feel like you've lionized it
as this is what I want.
But it's 2025, man.
They stopped making the viper a few years ago
because people quit buying them.
And it's more raucous a car than I think anybody
is ready for most of the time now.
Dustin, are the compromises really things you're okay with?
I just wonder.
I mean, you're leaning towards my next thought
and Dustin, you've brought up the viper now.
And that is Ford has the Mustang GTD.
Corvette has the ZR1X.
There used to be the viper.
And even though we were told the viper is no more
after the third generation, it's going away forever.
Are we sure?
I agree.
Are we sure that viper couldn't come back?
I don't care how it comes back.
I don't care what it looks like.
It doesn't have to look like this.
It doesn't have to be a V10.
It can be now anything.
I think if Dodge brought the viper back,
I've heard Rumblings they're bringing
the Hellcat engines back as well.
Something along those lines.
It could be a V8 Hellcat something, the new generation,
and reintroduce the performance lineup of sports cars
with the viper that comes.
Make it the SRT Halo again.
Front engine, mid engine.
I don't care.
Send your drawings to Multimatic just like Ford did.
So they can build it.
It's a viper body shell and it's a racecar underneath.
Absolutely.
I think there's a huge opportunity
and I do think there's a market for a viper to come back.
And now that the modern on shifting,
I think there might be a place for it that makes sense.
I'd love for it to be back in the lineup.
I really did like those third gins.
I thought they were fantastic.
I like the interior, like the exterior,
the power was amazing.
I would actually own a third gin unapologetically.
Even though the GTS is of the late 90s or the 2000s,
that's the iconic viper.
That is the one.
The blue with white stripes, it's the way you want it.
But the late model ones are so great,
but they're still 150 grand.
They're way up there.
The really nice ones are much more than that.
Because of the auction results that I guess,
they're just sitting around waiting around.
They're sitting around with the auction with plastic
on the seats.
Okay, so I see your garages.
At least maybe Amira, Faten, Viper, what else?
What else?
I have a confused person.
I am very confused.
That's a nice dynamic one.
It is.
There's a lot of variety.
Going on, Amira, for sure.
Dustin, thank you for writing Right To Us Everyday Driver TV
at gmail.com for all your topic Tuesdays,
car conclusions, and these really cool debates.
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Our second debate today comes from Michael and Olga.
Michael writes to us that his father is a Tesla fanboy.
The title here is the family, Tesla dumping ground.
I mean, that is not a good Oprah.
I was like, where is this going?
I don't know if I'm reading this, yeah.
Michael says that every two years,
his dad replaces his Tesla,
and Michael always ends up with it.
So you get the cast-offs when your dad decides to upgrade.
You've heard of hand-me-downs.
I had a lot of hand-me-down clothing for my cousin.
Yes, I got hand-me-down stuff.
I did not get a hand-me-down Tesla for two years.
Actually, you get a hand-me-down-compress classic,
so I have to defend myself, I guess a little bit, yeah.
Michael's had a Model 3 dumped on him,
and now a Model Y.
He loves his dad.
Hello, Michael's dad.
But these cars, Michael's dad,
are not for Michael.
He says they are not for me, and they have no soul.
He needs personality and character.
He wants to get in a car every time with a smile,
and an evil laugh,
knowing good times and possible trouble will follow.
Well, that's the reason your dad's giving you a Tesla.
He's like, calm down.
How about a Viper?
Calm down, yeah, exactly.
Talk about a smile and an evil laugh.
Totally agree, yes.
Michael is looking for a small lightweight sports car
with a DCT or auto that is rear-wheel drive.
His wife, Olga, has been able,
needs to be able to drive this car whenever she needs,
and she has no interest in learning a manual.
MX-5 Miados are compromised with automatics,
and the GR86 auto is blah.
So those are out, okay, good.
What else is there?
Under $40,000 that is really good.
Michael has owned the Mini Cooper S,
the Subaru RS, Impresa Wagon, and the Focus RS.
Okay.
But he needs the fun back in driving.
He says, Tesla's are not bad cars.
They're just lifeless transportation.
He needs bright colors, G-forces on succulent curves,
and a laugh for every mile.
I really like this, Michael.
This is very, very fun.
That's very cool.
I have to ask the elephant in the room question
because you and I beat on these cars a lot.
Have you actually driven the latest GR86 and MX-5 in auto?
Have you driven them in auto?
I mean, I know this is the reputation that,
I mean, you said the MX-5 in auto
is compromised and the 86 is blah.
Have you driven them in anger on a good road?
If you did a test drive, you know,
three blocks around a neighborhood of, you know,
the dealer where you are.
Honestly, the 86 is blah on a normal test drive.
Even in mayor, fair.
It's just, that's not where it shines.
So I do want to know if you've driven both of those cars
recently in automatic and that's where your conclusions come from
or are you kind of gleaning that
from an around the block test drive.
That's my concern because both of those cars,
I mean, you've said $40,000 or under automatic rear wheel drive
and the key thing here is small light weight sports car.
That's really hard to find when you throw 86 and MX-5
out the window.
For those of you who can't see me,
I am steepling my fingers.
You are, you are looking quite evil right now.
I have some ideas too because I have my shot.
I'm calling my shot, Michael.
I did a quick search on the auto tempest.
I was right.
Every single one of them, well, one or two exceptions,
but pretty much every single one,
the Toyota GR Supra 2.0, the four cylinder
with the automatic look at the list.
They're all high 30s, they're under 40,000.
It's the car for you.
It's the one.
It's not as light as the GR86.
It's not.
It's not the super light weight.
But we did find the handling.
That steering feel to be a little bit more interesting
than 3.0 because the engine is pretty much a mid engine.
As I recall, it's not.
And it's a smaller engine.
It's almost front mid engine.
And it's smaller, lighter weight front end.
Look at this.
We have a comparison on our main channel,
which is the two Supras compared to all the price.
Okay, here's one for 40 grand.
Here's another one, 20, 21, 40 grand.
But what you're finding is that 40 grand
is the top of the market, that's what you're finding.
There was one in here I found that was like 45
and I think they're dreaming, but whatever.
People can ask whatever they want.
But look at the list on Autotempest.
Yeah, that's great.
For nice ones, low miles, 43,000.
There's a long list.
Right, there's a deal.
Here's the $45,000 that's a yellow one.
I'm sorry, but I get it, but it's not happening.
That's funny that you went there because this was my first
thought, too, that point only.
I've got other ideas, but I thought, you know what?
You do have the Supra two liter
with the Z8 transmission.
I also see in 39,000, 30, 7,000, low miles,
all the colors choices.
I love that list on Autotempest.
That's a fantastic list.
Everything you want right there.
38,000 miles, 38 grand, 41,000.
That is the sweet spot.
And I think she'd love it.
You could also consider the Z4 if you wanted a drop top.
I did not check prices on those because I'm so hot
about the 2.0, but I started at Nissan Z
then I went to BMW 2 series and it hit me like freight train.
Supra 2.0, that's your car, that's my shot.
I think that's excellent.
That's a heck of a sniper shot.
I think you've done really, really well.
I have a couple other ideas, but that is on my list.
I mean, you see, I brought up a yellow picture of it
because I had to show you the best possible color
that car comes in is that yellow.
And it is good.
You had them right there on your list.
So the Supra four cylinder cannot be denied.
I think I have to cover with some other ones.
First off, there's the elephant in the room car
and that is the boxer or the Cayman.
You have to bring it up.
I can't ignore it.
Look, these are the same similar weights, power,
all these kind of things to the Supra
that we're talking about.
You could go and find a boxer or a Cayman.
Do you want to drop top or not?
Do you, you could go find a boxer or a Cayman
at your price point.
It's good, 987's all day long, probably some 981's.
That's a first or second gen Cayman.
You could find them for this.
Now you're getting into PDK, which is a nice dual collection
instead of just the normal automatic.
They are superb.
I can't not mention them because they would be like,
why didn't you mention those at all.
So that's on there as a list.
You mentioned the Z4.
I think the Z4, these are the last two generations.
The current generation is obviously
the convertible version of the Supra.
The generation before that, I think got slept on.
I think it's an amazing car, but it had a hard top convertible.
That's true.
Styling that is aging really, really well.
Still get it with a 3.0.
And if you want to drive, if it's your street car fun car,
I think that's where it's great.
Yeah.
I think pick your generation of the Z4.
You get a Z4 all day long.
And again, I think you could save some money
wind up in a hard top Z4 convertible
and really, really like it.
And it would have a decent automatic in it as well.
That is all good options.
I have one wild card here.
Or you do.
I have a wild card.
And it's a wild card because his budget stops where these start.
Okay.
But we have to explore the fringes always if we have the idea.
Small light weight.
We're a wheel drive, two seat fun car.
This is a hard list.
It's a different one.
Yeah.
When you go light weight.
Automatic required.
Yeah.
That's the hard part.
Yeah.
We need to go Alpha 4C.
The market for those starts at 40 grand and goes to 60.
So you start at 40.
So the lowest price.
Like the low ones on auto tempest are running like 38 grand.
What kind of mileage were you seeing?
I mean, the low one literally the lowest one on there was high 30s.
And it was 100,000 miles.
And I was like, good for you.
That's what I want to know is how far people do these things?
Are they good?
Are they reliable?
The 4C shines best on the road as a car you're going to drive on the road for fun.
That's where it's best.
Now, you could get the super perfect one that's got no miles and it's 60, 65 grand.
But I think if you were going to spend between 40 and 50,
you could get yourself a 4C you would love.
It has manual steering.
It has an automatic gearbox.
It actually sounds really great.
It's unique.
It is so the opposite of the two SUVs you have in your life.
You're looking for an event car that is small and light.
I think 4C is a real contender.
It's just slightly above the budget.
I'm all about blowing the budget, especially if you like them.
OK, so at least drive the 4C so you have that knowledge in your hip pocket.
And you know, and then you've got some other choices here too.
But I like the BMWs.
I mean, the prior Gen Z4 is really good looking.
I really think it's sexy.
Like the first Gen Z4, I think the styling is coming into its own over time.
I think it was fine when it came out.
And you look at it now and you're like, that's a great look.
Also, Helene surfacing is cool.
It also helps the fact that BMWs have gotten wildly unattractive.
So you look back and you go, well, that was a great looking car.
What happened?
After that, 20 years ago, like that.
All right, well, happy hunting, Michael.
Family Tesla dumping zone.
I'm sorry that you keep getting Tesla's dumped on you.
But anyway, all right.
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We've got a couple of car conclusions starting off with one from Jay, writing to us in regards
to a recent episode, 998, Jay writes to us that you can cure the preciousness problem
by hitting your car with a hammer.
Talk about a provocative headline.
We read that was like, this is going to need to be unpacked for sure, yep.
Jay thank you for the book.
I really appreciate it.
I'm going to try to get you a quick.
He writes the most expensive car in his family fleet is a 2021 Chrysler Pacifica plug-in
hybrid minivan.
They brought their four nieces and nephews under seven into their lives and nothing out
minivan's.
So they bought it new at the height of this COVID supply crunch and then they proceeded
to do all of the things.
He described it as the van jumped on every grenade that a family holler a small kids can
jump on.
Well, the problem is you're dealing with four nieces and nephews that are now into your
roof, which obviously I can see why you got a minivan.
But then when you and your wife went shopping, as we already said, it was the price hike
of COVID.
So you either buy it for what we say on the lot or please go away.
So they got no dollars off and wouldn't you know it because they were buying a minivan.
They knew they were going to use so much.
His wife wanted every option.
So this was essentially a $60,000 minivan before any EV credits.
And so the only good thing is he has got the nice minivan that he doesn't have to be
precious with.
So they got all the stuff, even the quilted seats.
But he's trepid or fast.
Yes, the accepted fact that all the little kids are going to wreck it and they have the
20 year two year old son was moved to college in the back of it.
And the day they got into college, he underestimated the sun, did underestimated the turning circle
and ground the side down and underground parking lot.
We've all been there and it is the worst.
He has had his own issues with it.
So everybody he said his wife has hit the front fender on a brick pillar of their car
port twice.
Not once.
Twice.
The first.
Here's the thing.
The first time you do it, it's a, I really sorry.
The second time you do it, you're like, didn't you know that was there?
We've done this already.
We talked about this.
Yeah, this happened already.
And I say this because we've all had those moments anyway.
So this van is doing exactly what it wants to do.
But then he goes into stories of other cars he's had.
He had a fun car for a while that was a 2007 SL 550 Mercedes Benz.
That cost him a fraction of what it did to get the minivan.
He's put a lot of maintenance upgrades into events and most expensive.
Yeah.
He is much more precious with the old Benz that he owns, which is fascinating about it.
For a third of the price of the minivan, he takes it on a big summer road trip every year.
He tries to do the Blue Ridge Parkway from Boston to Atlanta with a stop at Taylor the Dragon.
What a great road trip that sounds like.
Yeah.
We didn't get to do much of Blue Ridge Parkway, but it was one of those things where I started
tracing it on the map.
And I realized how much of the US we could do on one road.
And I was like, that's its own film.
And the problem is also Blue Ridge Parkway in some cases, the speed limit is quite low.
So we'd have to figure that out.
But he has driven major road trips.
He calls it his automotive therapy.
His wife does as well.
He had a deer hit the side of the car.
He just had paintless dent removal taken out.
He keeps driving and he keeps loving it.
He's resolved that he's going to just he is just going to test himself with having a car that he
simultaneously drives and is precious with keeping nice and is willing to let stuff happen to it.
It's a balancing act.
He's like juggling all those things.
Meanwhile, the van with the quilted leather is being infested by kids.
So this brought him to I'm telling some
fest there is there is an age where that is the best word.
There is an age where that's the best word.
It's just a hive of little people that go and destroy everything.
They just they chew it all down.
They're almost like locus.
They just chew everything down.
And then they leave.
I'm sorry.
Just what are you doing back there?
Yes.
Stop doing that.
They're not enough condigging through the side of the van with some piece of there's not
enough convex mirrors in the world to see every day the kids are doing.
But this reminds him of long ago he actually was actually working at a car dealer selling
Toyota's and a guy came in while he was actually was the salesman and a guy came in and
bought a brand new Avalon loaded it out bought a brand new Avalon diamond white pearl.
It's that it's that pearl white that Lexus sold for a while that actually has like a second
flake in it that kind of look more interesting.
This was all the bells and whistles and when they were done the guy said so we're done
right.
The car is mine.
He said yeah we're done.
And the guy said again really are you sure you sure that's it.
He just finished transferring all this stuff for the old car to his new car.
Are you done?
Are you done?
There's nothing else to go.
No, no, no.
We're absolutely good.
That's fine.
And the guy said great.
And he walked back to the stuff he just put in the trunk and pulled out of the stuff in
the trunk, a hammer and walked over to the rear quarter panel and smacked the rear
quarter panel of his brand new car while still sitting on the dealer lot.
Download on the rear quarter panel put a quarter sized dent top of a hammer head in his
car.
But in this moment Jay is just standing there dumbfounded and the guy looked at him dead
and pan and said I wanted to put the first thing in it myself and got in it and happily
drove away.
And Jay's point is if you dinged it yourself when you expected it now everything after that
doesn't hurt as bad.
There's some merit here but this still hurts to hear.
Jay you're right there is merit that is I'm trying to imagine me doing that I'm trying
to imagine because I want to agree with it.
I want to say yeah.
Told me.
Great idea.
I bought the new name other hot fun sports cars.
Borscht, I knew came in and I take out a hammer.
People are like dogpiling to keep you away from the car.
Yeah.
It's like that paper towel commercial trying to try to get there oh no I understand that
is admirable.
Jay is telling all of us Todd and I all of you listening all of you watching to get
the hammers out.
I'm still not sure I'm all the way there but I love the sentiment what you're doing.
But I guess the hammer equivalent for me would be miles putting miles on driving, doing
the road trips, getting out there, doing the driving because then I can enjoy the car
and then it still hurts.
Ding's windshield chips even though I know windshields can be replaced and fixed and all
the stuff.
That's going to be pulled out.
I know all that stuff.
I know it in my heart and I know it really doesn't matter and it's just a car, right?
But it's hard.
Well when we do these big road trips invariably you hear stuff hitting the nose of the car
and you know some of that stuff is going to leave a mark even with ppf and you just have
to go yeah but I'm doing this I'm out here and this is this is the side effect of doing
the driving.
What's crazy here is Jay's story reminded me of something I don't even know where
this came out of my head.
It was one of those memories of massively buried away.
I went to a high school where I was, it was a very nice private high school in Houston.
I was kind of the poor kid but I was glad to go there looking back.
I was glad to go there.
But anyway it was high school.
I had a friend in high school who was quite popular with many of the ladies.
And so he was you know played all the sports teams and everything but he was a good friend
of mine.
But I grew up in Texas.
Keep that in mind, a group in Texas, all right?
And there was this little gaggle of girls that wanted to impress this guy.
And so they went in together and bought him a pair of very nice high-end cowboy boots.
Okay?
It's Texas.
Okay.
And they presented it just to go whether it's Texas.
They presented him with this at school one day.
These really nice boots.
And I was not a guy that was wearing boots even though of course I owned a pair because
it was Texas.
I was not wearing boots at the time but I knew enough to know that this was an expensive
pair of boots that they've gotten.
I forget.
There was some sort of, I forget who's birthday, but there's some sort of catalysts
to why they decided to get it.
A group of girls bought him two or three girls went in together and bought him a pair of
these boots.
Hoping for what result?
I do not know.
There's a long time ago.
Okay.
No, okay.
All right.
Continue.
All right.
And he pulled these boots on and they were very excited and they were very nice boots.
He pulled these boots on and promptly walked to the edge of the parking lot, went over
to the curb and proceeded to kick the boots against the curb to create a bunch of scuffs.
Okay.
He's had him on for less than 30 seconds.
They were perfect coming out of the box.
Uh-huh.
And I'm sitting here without a gaggle of girls buying me anything, going, what are you
doing?
And it was this exact same headspace where the girls watching this house.
They watched it happen and then what happened?
He came back so nonchalantly.
Of course he got away with it.
He came back so nonchalantly and made this exact same point.
He was like, if you wear boots regularly and these deserve to be worn regularly, they're
going to get scuffed and wrecked and screwed up.
They're never going to be as perfect as they were coming out of the box.
So I'm just going to do it now.
So don't have to worry about it.
Anywhere those boots for a long time after I got the concept, it's the exact same thing
as the hammer in the-
It's a good story.
The fender.
I had totally forgot about the story.
It's a good story.
Oh my gosh, I remember when Bill did that.
And I was like, I've got it playing back in my head going, he really just pulled him
out of the box front of the girls and just bought him a scuffed him.
At the time, I was like, I want to crawl on a hole on your behalf.
But he was like, no, they're going to get scuffed anyway.
I'm just going to do it now.
I mean, I totally get that.
It's not a $34,000 car or something more expensive, but still.
And it was a gift.
And once you give somebody a gift, they can do whatever they want.
You've got to hang on to the ride.
Yes, exactly.
It's now theirs.
But don't Texans have like the dinner boots and the nice bang out boots and the ranch
boots and the-
Yes, of course they do.
Mid-level boots from other-
I knew a guy in Texas that had that, but with Crocs.
Yeah, I remember.
I told you the story before.
Yeah.
He had his hang out at home Crocs.
His go to the grocery store Crocs, his nice dinner Crocs.
The last time I saw him, he said to me with a straight face as we left a very nice restaurant.
He said, yeah, I had to put on my good Crocs for you.
And I was like, I'm sorry, that shouldn't exist.
There should be no such thing as I brought out the good Crocs.
That is not a thing.
Oh my god.
Okay.
You want to have Crocs?
That's fine.
But there's those such things as the good Crocs.
Anyway, these were not the good boots and then they were scuffed and we're moving on.
Thanks for writing.
We're moving on to car conclusion number two from Lauren H. in Northern Idaho.
She's 61 years old and owns in 2002 Miata.
She's had it for 12 years and is in complete love with it.
I love it.
That's great.
Fantastic.
So recently, a friend of Lauren's contacted her about selling her year 2000 boxster, which Lauren
couldn't believe.
So she jumped at the chance and then happened across our show that compared the two.
They looked very similar and made her decide to hold onto her Miata and get the boxster.
So thanks for the comparison.
So now she has both.
That's crazy.
Lauren, I love this.
I love this.
And I actually do have questions for you.
Thank you for sending this in.
It's a car conclusion.
You didn't actually ask us a car debate, but our stuff helped you buy a boxster and hang
onto your Miata.
I have a real genuine question for you or questions for you.
We may never know the answer, but I want you to ponder this.
You are now a serious minority in our audience and in the car world and that you own two fun
cars.
Two fun cars.
But they are two fun cars that let's be honest are designed for the same purpose.
Small, lightweight, convertible, back road driving, different dynamics, engine in a different
place, though.
They do different things.
You have both.
I would love to know, Lauren, what are your takeaways after a year?
Which one, if you walk out of the house, are you more likely to jump into?
Which one is the one you would drive in any condition?
It's raining, it's snowing, it's nasty.
Which one are you jumping in?
And if someone said to you right now, you have to sell one of them.
Ooh, which would it be?
Those are my questions for Lauren.
I'd love for you to get back to some point after you've had these cars a year, but I just
love you having both.
I mean, awesome.
The dinner fork exists right next to the salad fork.
You could use the fork for either one.
You could.
You could.
It's just a fork.
You could use it for everything.
It's a salad.
It is.
It is eating utensil.
You could just keep eating with that utensil, but, you know, I do get it.
There are different uses for different jobs, so good for you.
I'm really thrilled.
Thank you for writing that.
Really encouraging to hear, and I love that you've got different days, both, depending
on your mood.
Send any voice note.
Hey, sis.
So, okay.
You know that cozy hoodie you always steal from Charlie after your workouts?
Well, I just went to Lulu Leman and saw they have the same one for women now.
I think it's called steady state, just throwing the idea out there since you haven't added
your wish list in the group chat yet.
Plus, I know how much you love matching Charlie.
Anyway, talk later.
I'll see you at Run Club.
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I'm going to do a, did you see this, and I'm going to try to do it no spoilers, but I am
going to talk about this past weekend.
I just went and saw the brand new James Gunn written and directed Superman movie.
Okay.
All right.
This is...
Alive it's in it yet, so.
And I'm going to stay out of spoilers for you, but this is the poster that I'm showing
here of all of the various characters, there's a lot of characters in it.
This is The Reboot Attempt by D.C.
Okay.
All right.
If you aren't following along, there's two major comic book religions, if you will, there's
Marvel and D.C.
All right.
Marvel has been on a hot streak for nearly two decades, it's the most successful movies
ever.
D.C. has struggled.
D.C.'s marquee characters are Superman and Batman.
Okay.
You've heard of both of those.
Obviously, both of those different characters have been rebooted many, many, many times.
So Zack Snyder was the filmmaker that was in charge of D.C. and he made Man of Steel and
he was involved actually on the back end of Christopher Nolan finishing his Batman movies.
He made his own Man of Steel Superman movies and then there was the Justice League and Batman
versus Superman.
All of them were very dark.
I actually like some things about those very much, but they didn't really resonate that
well and D.C. has been struggling.
So they hire James Gunn, who was famous for Guardians of the Galaxy.
Okay.
All right.
And if you think about the Guardians of the Galaxy movie from Marvel, that has a dual
tone.
Their action packed and kind of rousing and exciting, but they also have the music element
and the comedy that not all of the Marvel movies have.
They have a very distinct tone.
So Warner Brothers hires James Gunn and his producing partner, partner Peter Schaffrin,
to be the new heads to make all of the D.C. stuff feel right and light.
Okay.
Okay.
So you already know this is going to be a lighter version of Superman than the Zack Snyder
version.
Which I liked.
I liked the Zack Snyder Superman.
So the thing about Man of Steel, I'll stop there.
Thanks for bringing that up, is because honestly, the first two thirds of that movie are my
favorite Superman movie ever.
The back third is just punchy punch and is boring.
But the first two thirds is a fantastic movie.
But here's, and I'm going to go totally personally now.
I have always struggled to connect with the Superman character.
He's one of my least favorite.
He's one of the most iconic, but he's one of my least favorite comic book characters.
Okay.
Right.
Right.
Because, now granted, as a little kid, the first comic book movie ever saw was the original
Christopher Reeve Superman.
So it made a big impression.
Yeah.
The music is still embedded into my brain as a person, which is amazing.
But the character is essentially a Boy Scout.
I mean, he sometimes referred to as a Boy Scout.
He is good to a fault.
And he often is so good, you don't seem struggle to be anything but just good.
Okay.
And that gets a little unrelatable at some point.
It's like, because the secondary part of Superman, which is Zack Snyder, Man of Steel,
really leaned into is Superman at its core is an ongoing search for identity.
You have this kid on another planet who lives here.
Is he from there?
Is he from here?
There's nature versus nurture questions.
And it's consistently that he keeps coming back to who am I?
It doesn't matter who makes the movie or tells the comic book story.
He keeps coming back to who am I and what kind of person am I?
Okay.
I can see that.
Yeah.
Zack Snyder made that kind of dark and brooding, which is a little more too much like Batman.
I can understand that.
But I liked that.
The way that he kind of delved into that struggle.
This is interesting because this new Superman movie starts and they reveal what I'm about
to tell you in the first 30 seconds.
This starts three years after Superman has revealed himself.
So he doesn't start it as an origin story.
He doesn't start it as people are just now discovering Superman exists, which is what
Man of Steel was.
This is Superman's been around for a bit.
Okay.
And now Lex Luther, who is the key villain of Superman, is angry.
He's had enough of three years of Superman worship.
That's Genesis of this storyline.
So we're past, oh, Superman exists.
The whole world knows he exists.
So he starts three years in, which is interesting.
I have to say I came into this movie wanting it to be good, not expecting to like it very
much and leaving having just had fun.
Okay.
It's not superb, but it's well done.
It's well acted.
This actor, David that plays this Superman character, is I think he's the best casting
Superman ever.
He's phenomenal.
He also want, as much as I like Henry Cavill and I do, Henry Cavill is a physically small
person.
This guy is enormous.
He is like head and shoulders above everybody else in the movie.
He's actually genuinely over six feet tall, genuinely blue eyed.
So he has that Christopher Reeve thing about him where he stands out anyway.
And then he happens to be Superman.
So I think it's a very fun movie that there's the two problems that Superman always struggles
with.
Every movie, every storyline is ultimately, and I hate to say this, this is a character who
doesn't have gadgets, who doesn't have grand plans.
He's thought up that he's executing.
He tries really hard.
And if it gets harder, he tries harder.
It's just more grunt.
I'm going to put more grunt, more effort behind the thing I was putting effort toward before.
That's hard to deal with.
But also because he's supposed to be invincible, if you want to have a really good villain,
you have to give somebody his equivalent powers.
Where do you get that person?
Who are they?
Where did they come from?
There is a, and I'm not giving spoilers right now.
There is a Superman power equivalent villain in this movie.
And I feel like the reason for its existence is pretty thin.
It's the only thing about the movie where I was like, really?
That's where that person comes from.
That's where we got a villain.
There's some great villain stuff going on with Lex Luthor, the other stuff.
But the heavy, if you will, the bouncer that you hire to fight with Superman, because
there's always that person.
Whether they're a monster from outer space or a guy, there's always the monster.
The monster, I thought, raised questions of, well, hang on, wait a minute, we've got
a whole storyline about where that guy, wait, hang on, we're just good at, okay, all right,
we're just fighting him.
Are there more movies to make and more money to be earned?
Of course there is.
Of course there is.
And we'll see what happens if that.
Well, it's like you told me every Marvel character got its own film and, you know, we could
just do that in perpetuity, I guess.
The thing I have to say here is that my overall takeaway is, I think this is really well-cast,
very well-made and directed.
And while I think it has its problems, I looked at my son when I was done, I was just
like, that was fun.
And he was like, you're right, it is.
It was just fun.
And I think that's the thing that James Gunn does better than a lot of filmmakers.
And it's true of the Guardians films, it's true of a lot of his films where even if it
doesn't all work, you had fun watching.
You just left happy.
And that is, I think, a victory for the Superman movie.
It had a very good opening weekend.
I hope it does very well.
I hope this is indicative of what's to come for DC, that they can be the non-Marvel.
But you know, you've seen enough trailers to know that Superman has a dog.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of weird tonal changes in this movie.
Most of which work.
Will there be a dog movie and he frees all the kennels all over the planet?
And it writes the dogs or loose.
It does write itself.
It's terrifying.
Good job on that.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
So we'll see, I'd love for everybody to see it.
And, you know, I'm just a huge fan of Go to the Theater, see a movie on the theater.
There is very few moments that we get, I'm sorry, I'm preaching now, with the very
few moments we get where we have a collective experience.
And a movie is that, you're not watching it at home.
So please don't be like the guy behind me who just wanted to comment about everything.
Don't be that guy.
You aren't at home.
If you need to comment, stay home.
There's other people.
Stay home.
This is, this, this really goes back to the core of going to the actual theater with actual
actors where you can't talk.
It is that.
Enjoy the laugh clap.
But go to the movie theater and Superman's worth it.
Moving on to some audience questions.
We've had a few come into our email.
I'm starting here with Eddie E who asks if he is insane to think about spending 15 to
$17,000 to paint his 2017 Jaguar F-Type R convertible in British racing green metallic.
The original color of the car is Storm Gray.
Eddie that sounds really cool except when you bring up the $15,000 to $17,000 part.
And I think you know, maybe you could just wrap it first to see if you're going to like
it.
Let's start with a wrap.
Wrap's are expensive.
It's probably going to be five grand just to wrap the car.
But just think for 15 grand, you could wrap it three different times with three different
colors.
Yes.
Because it sounds like a keeper.
It sounds like the long-term car and I love that you love it.
But going as far to paint for that amount of money, if you told me it was going to be
about six grand, maybe eight grand, I'd have a bit more, I might back you.
But at $17,000 to paint a car, I would say either shop for the car that you're looking
for.
Sell this one.
Go shop for it and add that to your budget.
Didn't they make them in green?
Didn't they already make them in BRG?
Maybe it's a green that they didn't make, but still I take your money.
Maybe so.
You could find a wrap though.
I bet you could.
But start with a wrap.
There are endless colors of wraps and a betcha you can get really close and you might
even find a shade that you like better that wasn't available in paint.
So might I suggest go look at wraps, go to your local dealer, your installer and look
at the book.
The selections, look at all the swatches and might find something that you might like
better and I can save you a 10 grand.
Yeah, probably.
Which means you could go buy a Miata or something else or anything else.
Other cars.
Why not?
Sure, for sure.
Greg's writing in as well.
He thinks his next vehicle in the next couple of years, he'd really like it to be the
Maverick Lobo, the street truck, the lowered, we're going to get excited about fast street
trucks.
Many truck magazines coming back.
You know, totally.
We're going to call us first.
We certainly.
Yeah.
Coming back.
So, but people have been saying to him, you know what, just get a regular Maverick.
Just go buy a normal Maverick.
The Lobo is not going to be any faster, you may as well just get the usability of a normal
Maverick.
Why are you worrying about this?
And he has to admit, all of those points make sense.
But then he says, you know what, I'm 60 years old.
And I feel like I'm a kid stamping my foot and going, I just want it.
And he's asking us if that's silly.
Greg, have you listened to this podcast?
You are.
I mean, we're going to back your play, buddy.
Absolutely.
The thing is, if you kind of forward to and the car makes you happy and the trim that
doesn't make sense is the one that you go, you know what, I just like it.
Get it.
Because the thing that the reverse thing is going to happen, you're going to buy a regular
Maverick and you're going to be sitting at a light one day and somebody's going to pull
up next to you in a Lobo and you're going to go dang it.
True.
That's what's going to happen.
Yep.
So even if, let's say the, you wait on the Lobo and the Lobo comes out and you only have
it for a year.
Fine.
If you're interested enough, go get one.
Greg, car companies are counting on all of us to say I just want it.
They're counting at the deal.
They want all of us consumers to say that to ourselves in our hearts, but I just want
it.
That's what they're building cars to do is to pull money out of our wallets.
Sometimes they're really good at it.
Other times they're really bad at it.
But when you find something that resonates, go get it.
If you haven't bought it by now, you have permission.
Give yourself permission.
Go get it.
Load it up.
Man, drive it.
Enjoy it.
Send photos when you do.
Yeah.
Moving on to Matthew Z.
Who is curious if we have ever tested a Volkswagen CC.
Remember those?
Yeah, we have CC.
He's curious if it would make a good track car as a front-wheel drive car.
It was his first car and remains his favorite car.
He says, feel free to laugh.
He just wants our thoughts.
I will give it a compliment and say it is one of the better-looking Volkswagen's ever.
It's good looking.
Both are doing great.
It's a classy looking car.
They continue that.
They could have a genuine Alpha, Julia or Genesis G70 competitor.
Imagine a new CC that is along those lines, shoot.
They could even put a manual transmission, make a rear-wheel drive and put some cool engine
in it.
It's Volkswagen.
I'm going to do that.
But I take your point and be a Dodge.
It would then be a Dodge.
The thing is, this was actually one of the better MQB platform driving cars as well.
I actually liked it.
I'm going to say two things to you, Matthew, if this is a car that's not going anywhere
and you're going to go to a track day or a couple track days a year, then take the car
you own and love.
Just take it and drive it.
Put decent tires on it, put good brake pads from PowerStop or somebody on it, put good
high-tempt brake fluids so the brakes don't fade on you.
And go.
If you're going to do a couple track days a year.
But if what you're writing, if the next step beyond this is, I'd like to get into tracking.
I love this car.
I like to make it a track car.
That's my full stop for you.
Do not do that.
Yep.
Agreed.
This is not a car for tracking.
It's a car that can go to track and you would have fun because you love it and it's your
car.
But if you're thinking like, I'm going to get into track driving, I'll just bring my
CC.
You can.
But you're holding yourself back and you should get something else.
Moving on.
Last question here from an email, Lyle writes to us asking if he should join the dark side
of modifications.
He's got a 2019 370Z Neesmo in black manual transmission.
He's not a big fan of mods, but is thinking about installing a short shifter in the car.
What's our thoughts, pros, cons?
If you're going to get into mods at all, I guess short shifter is an inexpensive place
to start.
But if we're going to mod, the very first place we start is tires.
Well, actually, it's not true.
It's a driver mod.
There is that.
Start with yourself.
Driver instruction.
Get better here before you mod your car thinking that's going to make a better driving
experience because you're going to dump money in thinking, now I'm going to love my
car again or love it more.
And when it doesn't do it, I want you to have that driver upgrade first.
Short shifters are cool.
For what?
I mean, it can be nice.
It can be nice.
Oh, cool.
That's just a little tiny, but maybe something.
Maybe that's just a satisfying little thing, but tires, brakes.
Driver mod, tires, brakes, in that order, then think about the other mechanical stuff.
Stay away from power until the very last, never think about adding power.
You don't need power.
You need better stopping power because you can go fast in pretty much any car.
It's how your brakes do.
That's good.
That's very good.
We've got a few questions from Instagram.
I want to talk on a couple of those.
Starting here with Bruce B, I'm going to totally reveal myself here.
He says, other than our recent mileage runout video where we actually ran cars to see who'd
run out first, have we ever run out of gas in a car?
If so, was it your car, press car, or other?
I've had a couple of times this happened to me, but I'm going to tell on myself the most
recent time it happened.
And you remember this?
This was in our Corvette C8.
And we had driven it and we had driven it to do some, a few things to actually film it.
This was around Christmas time last year or something.
Actually, I guess it was spring.
And we driven it a few times and we knew it was low on gas.
And then I took it one more time like a mile away and got some additional shots knowing
it was low on gas and parked it in your driveway.
And the next time I came over for the podcast, I took it home.
Now I need you guys to understand it is less than 10 miles between my house and poles.
And the exit for my house is a straight shot.
The freeway turns and the exit goes straight.
And it goes down a hill, okay?
And at the bottom of the hill before my house is a gas station.
The problem is that you see where this is going.
You're exiting, going down a hill for a while and then there is the slightest, the most
gradual rise that goes over a freeway, like the most gradual, right?
You could roll a ball up it, okay?
Over a freeway through the stoplight that then drops down to the gas station.
I was driving the C8 to my house for the purpose of stopping at the gas station to get gas.
And I exited, I wasn't even driving hard because I knew I needed gas and it was on fumes.
All the lights are on on the dash.
I know this.
I got to the exit, cough.
And it coughed.
It was the worst ever.
It just, just a little cough and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, not here.
And then as I'm rolling downhill on the exit, it coughed again and then it died.
And then I'm thinking, okay, okay, I've got it in neutral.
At least I'm going downhill.
But remember the little rise?
It was just enough, I'm not touching anything.
It's just enough of a rise to slow the car down.
And I came to a stop about a hundred feet from the intersection where the rise became
a roll down to the gas station.
And I was out of gas.
There I, when I remember my wife to get her to help me, she said, where are you?
I said, look out the window.
Oh, yeah, okay.
I mean, that's how close I was to this entire part that would have solved it.
And Paul had to come and help me because while my wife and I have a gas cam, we didn't
have the extra long nozzle to pierce through the flap.
So you had to bring the extra adapter thing and so we had to do that.
And we had to put a lot of gas in it.
And then because this car had not been driven a lot of late, it had happened to have not
been on a battery tender.
So now we had to jump it on top of giving it gas so that I could go roughly a hundred
feet to roll into a gas station and fill it up.
So that happened about a year ago and I'm now sharing it with you.
We've got a ton of questions over here on social media as well on Instagram.
Let's see, Zach V asks, if I could have purchased a GT4RS for the same price as the GT4, would
I have bought that instead hypothetically speaking where I can't sell for a profit?
No, I wouldn't have.
And specifically because I wanted a manual transmission, the GT4RS is a superb car.
It's got, it's a completely different car, really, a different engine.
But I wanted that manual and I just love the GT4.
It's also quite loud.
It's also very loud.
9000 are very, very loud.
It's a wonderful engine.
Great car.
We've done a review of it.
We both love it.
I think it is a track only car.
I think it is too.
Yeah.
I'm definitely with you.
And then over on Instagram as well, Sean MCL 326 says, what are the real hassles of
buying a used car out of state?
I don't think it's necessarily the shipping.
I don't think it's the pre-purchase inspection.
I think it's the trust that you have and whoever you've delegated, whether it's a salesperson
or a friend, to give you the real lowdown, the real scoop, because they're going to
see things that you don't care about because you're looking for something specific.
You want to know about specific things and the way you look at them, the way you see
a piece of damage or something about the car.
You feel differently, and it's that trust to know that, all right, you got my back.
Is that truly representative?
Is it truly...
Well, you said it was this and you're totally wrong.
It was this, actually.
Well, when it shows up that it's not what you expected in some way, there's nothing to
do.
Nothing you can do.
So, yeah, shipping, okay, that's solvable, yeah, payments, sure, we can get the paperwork
done.
So, certainly pre-purchase inspection, they can give you the general layout of the land,
and having somebody even drive around for you is certainly possible, but it's that.
Am I looking for a specific thing, and is it really real what I think it is?
Oh, that's dirtier.
That's damage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nobody caught it.
And the thing I would have looked for, nobody saw it, I wish I would have known.
That's the most stressful part for me.
That's good.
I really do like that.
That's excellent.
What's the most fun raw and, that's capitalized, lightweight car for $10,000?
Would it $986 boxed or first gen 86 be too refined?
Is me out of the obvious answer, Z3, MR2, what's the most similar reliable project we can
car someone could buy in that price range?
The big thing I think here, Jason, is your and most fun raw and lightweight car for
10K.
I think the winner here, and you've listed some good ones, but I think the winner is the
MR2 spider.
You can get them for a song, say, are more involving more raw and more unique to drive
than the Miata.
It's a Toyota, so parts are cheap.
The interior looks like it's made from Home Depot bathroom fixtures.
It's not nice, but it is very fun to drive.
It totally does.
Look at our $8,000 car thing.
It was in that they're still super cheap.
I think looking for a raw, fun driving experience, people have often joked about the fact that
it's the cheap Lotus lease because it has a variant of the same engine.
That is a fantastically fun to drive car, and I personally, in many ways, like it more
than the Miata.
If you're looking for raw and involving, I think that's your play.
Guys, thank you for all your questions.
Thank you for asking more.
We will get to those on a later date in the future.
Really appreciate you listening.
Thank you for watching.
You can find us on Apple Podcasts that is powered by Spotify, also video on Spotify.
Also you're watching this on video on Spotify as well, but of course you can always consume
it on YouTube as well.
We appreciate the comments.
All the engagement is fantastic.
We really appreciate it.
Absolutely.
Looking forward to it next time as always.
Cheers, everyone.
About this episode
The latest episode dives into a variety of automotive topics, starting with highlights from the Goodwood Festival of Speed, including the unveiling of the Hyundai Ionic 6N. The hosts discuss the evolution of performance EVs and the potential market for them. They also touch on the Corvette's future, including rumors about new models and a desire to reclaim the Nürburgring record. Additionally, they share personal anecdotes, including a humorous take on car ownership and modifications, and answer listener questions about vehicle choices and modifications. The episode blends car culture with personal stories, making for an engaging listen.
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Buick GNX
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Chevrolet C10
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Cupra Born
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Hyundai Ioniq 5
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Jaguar F-Type
Lexus LFA
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Cadillac is so hot right now; will their 2026 F1 debut continue the winning streak, and will their V-Series performance cars get even better in the future? The guys debate uncomfortable cars for Dustin S., who is seriously considering a Viper. Then, Michael & Olga have become their family’s Tesla Dumping Zone and they’re tired of it. Jay S. Recommends hitting your car with a hammer to cure preciousness, and Lauren in ID loves both her sports cars.
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00:22 2025 Goodwood FOS
01:05 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 6 N
08:20 More Corvette Rumors?
12:20 2026 Lexus LFR
14:51 Hagerty auction odometer averages
18:53 Topic Tuesday: The Cadillac Of Racing
32:26 Car Debate 1 - The Viper’s Sting
50:00 Car Debate 2 - The Family Tesla Dumping Ground
59:10 Car Conclusion 1 - Get Out The Hammers
1:09:37 Car Conclusion 2 - Two Sports Cars Are Better Than One
1:12:23 Did You See This? The Superman Movie
1:20:13 Audience Questions On Social Media
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