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Amy Stelly is an artist, designer and urban planner who researches the health, environmental
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and social impacts of city infrastructure.
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A New Orleans native, she lives in the Tremay neighborhood in the same house where she grew
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My children are the fourth generation to live in this house.
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We've been here a long time.
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Tremay is one of the oldest neighborhoods in New Orleans and one of the oldest and
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most historic African-American neighborhoods in the United States.
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As Stelly remembers, when she was a kid in the 1950s and 60s, the streets of Tremay were
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beautiful, none more so than Claybourne Avenue, which featured a stunning 100-foot-wide median.
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It was like a really giant park, a huge parkway because it was wide enough for the boys
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One of the most beautiful and broadest boulevards in New Orleans, heavily treed with oak trees.
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Claybourne was also lined with theaters and bars where some of the city's top musicians
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would play, as well as plenty of black-owned businesses, all of which catered to the
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Claybourne at one time in its heyday was really a black wall street.
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We had all kinds of services, all kinds of professionals, doctors, lawyers, lots of street
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activity because you only have two lanes of traffic on each side.
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So the traffic moved slowly enough along the boulevard for the businesses to really
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capture those potential shoppers.
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So it was the ideal urban design mix in terms of size and scale.
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But when Steli was just nine years old, all of that changed.
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In 1966, construction began on a section of the Interstate 10 called the Claybourne Expressway.
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This massive six-lane highway spanned more than 18 blocks, building it required removing
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Claybourne Avenue's beautiful oak trees.
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And the trees were just the start.
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Crews demolished over 500 homes and businesses.
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The expressway cut off from May from other neighborhoods.
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Over time, even many of the people whose homes were spared moved out.
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A lot of the businesses that avoided the racking ball in Bulldozer, they eventually
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Quality of life decreased, crime went up.
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The expressway made the space beneath it dark and dirty, turning it into a kind of underworld
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that most people try to avoid at all costs, if they can.
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Though this neighborhood once built wealth, after the expressway went up, Tremay experienced
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decades of economic decline.
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Today, you can still see the fallout.
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Nearly 40% of Tremay's residents live below the poverty line.
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More than 70% of the homes are rentals and about a third of the homes are vacant.
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This neighborhood is not really seen as desirable to raise a family because of the social ills
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and public health ills that come with living near a highway.
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And when I would travel to other parts of the city, it was really astounding to me
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how dismal my neighborhood was as a result of the highway.
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New Orleans is a really pretty city, you know, there's lots of eye candy here.
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So when there's a big contrast in character, it's very noticeable.
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What happened in Tremay wasn't just about Tremay.
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It was part of a vision that car manufacturers had concocted decades before.
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In 1939 at the World's Fair in New York, General Motors sponsored a pavilion called Futurama,
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designed by the American theatrical and industrial designer Norman Belgettis.
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The exhibit presented fairgoers with a vision of their country as it might look in the
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then distant future of 1960, when automated expressways would whisk muters from city
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to city and every space in between.
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For hundreds of miles around, the motorway continues through the mountains.
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Without tedious travel, the advantages of living in a small town are within easy reach, bringing
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the people who live there into closer relations with all the world around.
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In their space, man has begun to win victory.
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Twenty years ago, the population of this city was approximately a million persons.
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Residential, commercial and industrial areas all have been separated for greater efficiency
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and greater convenience.
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Suburbs had existed in one form or another for millennia.
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The Romans even had a word for them, suburbium, the districts immediately beyond a city's
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In the US, before the advent of the automobile, streetcar suburbs, which as the name suggests
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were centered around electric streetcars and trolleys, allowed people to spread
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beyond urban cores.
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Think of Philadelphia's mainline suburbs or places like Brookline, just over the
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border from Boston, and Shaker Heights, right outside of Cleveland.
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Those are streetcar suburbs.
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But in the mid-20th century, car manufacturers began dreaming of a new kind of suburb, one
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where everyone would get around by car and access city centers on Futurama inspired
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traffic free highways.
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In other words, pretty much the America we have today, only without the traffic
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Many factors influenced America's journey to becoming a car dependent nation.
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From automobile manufacturers pursuit of profits, to a general sense that cars were the natural
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next step on the timeline of technological progress.
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But there's one that few people think about today when they're stuck in traffic.
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The fear of nuclear war.
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In the 1930s, a transportation researcher named Miller McClintock traveled to Germany.
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McClintock, who had helped found a traffic research center at the University of California,
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which later moved to Harvard University, was there to attend a conference.
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According to Tom McClintock, Miller's grandson, as his grandfather toured Germany, he
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was shocked by what he saw.
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He tells a story of stopping along one of the auto bonds and actually measuring the depth
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of the concrete and getting back in the car very disturbed and saying, these roads were
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not built for automobiles.
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These roads were built for heavy tanks.
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And my dad said he went back and reported that to the State Department when he returned
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to that observation.
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After World War II, as the Allies occupied part of Germany, the US tapped the same general
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who led the D-Day invasion to oversee the American controlled zone, Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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Just like McClintock, Eisenhower was fascinated by the German autobahn, especially given
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his experience back home.
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In the summer of 1919, as Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, Eisenhower participated
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in the first transcontinental military convoy, traveling from Washington, D.C. to San Francisco,
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a distance of some 3,200 miles.
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It was on this journey that Eisenhower experienced for himself just how difficult it was for
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anyone in the country to travel long distances by motor vehicle.
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Some roads were nearly impassable because of poor maintenance, narrow widths, muddy
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conditions, and bridges that couldn't carry the weight of heavy military trucks.
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The 81 vehicles in the convoy experienced a reported 230 incidents, including running off
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the road, overturning, and even sinking in quicksand.
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So when Eisenhower took command of the American zone in Germany in 1945, he couldn't help
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noticing the quality and efficiency of its autobahns.
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I think he'd been very much impressed by the network that had been built in Germany,
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It's General Lucius Clay, who is the chairman of Eisenhower's advisory committee on a national
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He was interviewed in 1967.
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I'm sure that he realized what a very important contribution it had made to the national
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defense and security of Germany.
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The autobahns were very impressive.
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Later, as president of the United States, Eisenhower, along with members of Congress,
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decided that the country needed a highway system of its own, especially as the Cold War
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between the U.S. and the Soviet Union began, and the threat of nuclear war loomed large.
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So Eisenhower put forth a proposal for an interstate highway system.
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Here's Senator Prescott Bush, father of President George H. W. Bush and grandfather
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of George W. Bush, making the case for Eisenhower's interstate highway plan
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There had to be more and better highways in case of national defense, in case we had to
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move large bodies of people, large bodies of troops.
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The existing system was totally inadequate to deal with it under emergency circumstances.
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As part of the proposal, the federal government would chip in 90% of the funding, $24.8 billion
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for 41,000 miles of new highways to be built over 13 years.
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Even though many proponents argued that a standardized network of quality highways would
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also create economic growth and reduce congestion, some members of Congress balked at the high
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But Eisenhower knew he could overcome such opposition by focusing on the need to defend
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the U.S. from a potential invasion, evacuate cities, or move military convoys at a
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Eisenhower signed the National Interstate and Defense Highway Act into law, with federal
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money now available to fund one of the biggest public works projects in U.S. history automakers
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and real estate developers saw an opening.
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They had spent decades looking for ways to boost car sales, but as long as American
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cities stayed dense and transit heavy, there was only so much driving people would do.
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But now, a race was on to determine where new highways would be built.
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And automotive-related special interest groups lobbied city and state governments hard to
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While many European cities steered highways around their city centers, these groups pushed
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They wanted to make it incredibly easy to drive into city centers.
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So that's exactly what planners did.
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And the neighborhoods they chose to run those highways through?
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Well, for people like Steli and the residents of historically black neighborhoods like Tremay,
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it was pretty obvious what the decision-making process was.
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There is a very distinct and strong correlation between where these highways landed and people
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of color and poor people, and the goal was to get wealthier suburbanites into downtown
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which meant going through, you know, we became the shortcuts.
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Black voices, really, we had no seat at the table, so we were just buzzard meat.
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Steli and other longtime Tremay residents have a term for the Claiborne Expressway.
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We call the highway a monument to racism and, you know, in some cases probably classism,
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So these things need to be removed.
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As the interstate highway system grew throughout the post-war period, some communities fought
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back, like the residents of the 15th Ward in Syracuse, New York.
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The 15th Ward actually has a long history.
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It was once an area where a lot of the Jewish immigrants went.
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That's Richard Levy, professor emeritus of biology at Syracuse University.
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He's lived in Syracuse since the 1960s.
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Then they were at least partially supplanted by African-Americans.
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The houses were, you know, they weren't particularly nice houses, but there were houses that were
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In the 1950s and 60s, a plan was put forth to build Interstate 81 through the 15th Ward.
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To make room for the new highway, 1,300 families would have to be displaced.
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Many locals, including Levy, thought demolishing people's homes for the convenience of motorists
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was unjust, so he decided to see what he could do.
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What sort of got you interested in social justice?
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Well, there's a couple of things.
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I'm a Holocaust survivor.
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I came over here and I eventually married an African-American woman, so my interest in
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social justice, I guess, was initially formed by those experiences.
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Levy joined the local chapter of the Congress of Racial Equality, or CORE, which was
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originally formed in Chicago and became a driving force in the use of nonviolent direct
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action during the civil rights era.
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CORE Syracuse chapter was headed by Richard Levy's friend, fellow university professor,
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and civil rights organizer, George Wiley.
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George Wiley was a very interesting and quite charismatic man.
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He was the first African-American hired by the chemistry department here.
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He was an excellent chemist.
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Incidentally, his wife was white, so we were both interracial marriages, so we became friends.
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The idea of stopping a highway from destroying a largely black neighborhood and displacing
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its residents fit right in with the goals of the civil rights movement.
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It was not long after Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech, and the country
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was in an uproar, and it was finally coming to Syracuse, too.
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Levy remembers the atmosphere in the meetings where Wiley and his fellow activists would
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discuss their plans to stop the construction of I-81.
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George Wiley and the people who worked with him were very good at whipping up emotions
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We had lots of people that supported us, and those of us who were participated in
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We really thought we were doing something important.
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Levy recalls Wiley asking for volunteers to agree to stand in the way of the trucks and
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other equipment to stop crews from demolishing the homes and businesses of the 15th ward.
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When word got out about what the protesters were planning to do, those who worked for
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the university found themselves at risk of losing their jobs.
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The chancellor of the university made a statement that anybody who participated in those
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demonstrations would have to pay for the consequences.
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I mean, I just arrived in Syracuse.
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I had just started my job.
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I was certainly not tenured.
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I was a non-tenured faculty member, new to this department.
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The chairman of my department was not at all sympathetic.
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But I didn't even think about that it might be a problem for my career or something.
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But then afterwards I thought about it, that was really something.
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One morning, Levy went with a group of volunteers to the I-81 construction site.
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There would be maybe 15 or 20 of us, and we would march up and down first in front
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Some of us would climb on the crane.
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Some of us would climb on the trucks or whatever.
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It didn't take long before the police were on the scene to arrest the protesters,
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What was being in jail like?
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You have a sort of a slab.
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You have a hole in the floor that you can pee in.
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And my wife came a little later and brought me an overcoat because we didn't
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People were singing during the night.
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Do you remember any what songs people were singing?
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We Shall Overcome is the one that we sang most.
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You're very casual about having been arrested.
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But I feel like that would be kind of scary your first time.
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Still, Levy's fear was tempered by the knowledge that he and his fellow
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organizers were standing up for justice.
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I think the thing that made it not scary is one became part of a community
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that was on a mission.
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I think it was very exciting to be part of that and to think that you might
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be doing something important for an important cause.
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It was a very small thing in a very large movement.
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But I think a large movement is made up of lots of little small things.
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Eventually, Corp was successful in getting a meeting with the city
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to express their demands.
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But in the end, the effort to stop I-81 failed.
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The 15th Ward was demolished.
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Its residents displaced and scattered.
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Syracuse, like most cities at that time, was highly segregated.
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And it was going to be virtually impossible for people who lived
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in the 15th Ward, most of whom were not very affluent,
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to find housing in the rest of the city.
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So some new housing was put up.
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People were relocated.
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Like the residents of the 15th Ward,
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many communities fought back against highways.
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Though in some wealthier places, like Greenwich Village
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in New York and Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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highway plans were either stopped or changed
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thanks to local advocacy.
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Still, those were the exceptions.
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Today, the dream of car-dependent suburbs
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as places of progress and prosperity
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is, at best, debatable.
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They certainly aren't the shining monuments
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envisioned by Norman Belgettis, General Motors,
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or the people who experienced the Futurama exhibit in 1939.
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The suburbs these highways enabled
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are expensive to maintain.
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They're places where people feel isolated,
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where community life continues to be eroded,
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and where those who are dependent on cars,
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which is to say just about everyone,
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must deal with an array of health problems
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from asthma to diabetes.
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Not to mention the most obvious public health crisis
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caused by cars, fatalities.
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This massive public works project
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that was originally motivated by a desire
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to keep Americans safe from war
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has contributed to a death toll that,
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since the 1950s, now numbers in the millions.
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But even before embargoing on this giant public works
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project, Eisenhower thought highways
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were a solution to traffic crashes.
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Here he is in 1954 talking about the epidemic.
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When any particular activity in the United States
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takes 38,000 American lives in one year,
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it becomes a national problem of the first important.
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We have a great organization working effectively
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and supported by the government
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to seek ways and means of promoting
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feats in the world.
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In order to ease great tragedies,
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and may be prevented or at least minimized in the future,
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that we live every day with this problem
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that costs us so many lives.
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And not only those lives, but the grief and suffering
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in the families from which those victims came
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to say nothing of the disablement
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that so many other citizens must bear all through their lives,
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either through their own or someone else's carelessness.
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Today, the communities that were destroyed by highways
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like the Claiborne Expressway, New Orleans,
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and I-81 in Syracuse are left not merely with blight
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and crime, but also noise pollution
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and environmental toxins.
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Here's Steli again.
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So on any given day, let's say just outside of rush hour,
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the noise level is at 80 decibels or above,
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and that's dangerous to your hearing.
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I live a block and a half away from the elevated deck,
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and on any given night, I can lie in bed
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and the decibel meter will read at 50,
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which is chatter in an office building,
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and most people want quiet when it's time to go to bed,
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not the noise level that's like chatter
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in an office building.
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Steli worked with a professor
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at the Louisiana State University School of Public Health,
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who measured lead levels in the soil of playgrounds
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near the Claiborne Expressway
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and found that they were dangerously high,
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much higher than playgrounds located elsewhere in the city.
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She looks at me and says, you've got to change this.
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It's too much lead.
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You've got to do something about this.
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Steli says that most likely these high lead levels
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were caused by the highway.
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She points out that Louisiana State University students
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have been measuring lead levels in playgrounds
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around the city and found higher levels of lead
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in playgrounds adjacent to the highway.
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Their readings show that playgrounds
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under multiple spans of the highway
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have the highest levels of lead.
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In 2012, totally by chance,
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Steli seized an opportunity to get word out
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about the harmful effects of the highway.
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That year, the city decided to demolish
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an old hotel near the Expressway.
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Steli says the place had been full of crime.
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I was cheering actually the demise of the building
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because my cousins had stayed there
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and one of them, one of my favorite cousins,
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called me crying hysterically about coming to get her
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to just take her out of the hotel
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because she couldn't take all of the shenanigans
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that were going on.
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On the day of the demolition, Steli went out to watch.
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Ooh, there it goes.
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A local reporter walked up to Steli
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and that was her moment.
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The reporter talked to me about my enthusiasm for the demolition
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and I pointed to the highway and said,
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that's the next big thing that's going to go into Orleans
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and people regard me as crazy
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but they did play it on the news.
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For nearly 10 years, she and other community organizers
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attended community meetings.
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They called their elected officials,
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they wrote op-eds on the subject.
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Then, one morning in 2021,
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Steli and her husband were sitting on the balcony of their home
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in view of the highway when her phone rang.
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And it turned out to be the Washington Post
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asking me what I thought about the president calling Claymore
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and out in his, you know, roll out of the infrastructure bill
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and that was the first I heard of it.
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The Biden administration was announcing
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its Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.
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That bill included a $1 billion reconnecting communities grant
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allocated to neighborhoods that have been torn apart by highways.
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The president recognized what was going on in New Orleans
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so for that I'm very grateful.
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Ultimately, the Department of Transportation
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granted the city and state a $500,000 planning grant
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to upgrade the I-10 overpass
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and remove some of the on-ramps and off-ramps.
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But in 2025, the Trump administration
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eliminated the Reconstructing Communities Grant program.
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The cuts canceled dozens of projects,
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including a $61 million grant
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for other pedestrian bridges
29:32
and safety improvements in New Orleans.
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Despite the setback,
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Amy remains determined to get rid of the highway.
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And she envisions a Claybourne Avenue
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a lot like the one of her childhood.
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I think we can rebuild Claybourne
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really the way the community wants it to be built
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as a Black Wall Street again.
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We have quite a bit of historic building stock that's left.
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The bones of the Boulevard are still intact.
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You can see where the median is.
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So if we could cut down what was plopped down upon us,
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actually the bones of the street are still there.
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That's it for this episode of The War on Cars.
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