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EVB. Hey, it is a great day for a radio show. It's

a good day for car show some place where you guys are right, You never know. Everybody listens from all over the place, so hopefully you guys

are on the weather shows in yet depending on the weather. So last week,

man, let me tell you we got out to the big huge Mustang show here locally in our area, celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the Ford Mustang, and it was cool. It was a great show, a big turnout

for us. You had to have in what about over one hundred and thirty

hundred and forty cars that come out to that event, which was pretty good for that, you know, for where it was set up at. It

was a big turnout. It was a big shout out to the Cavalier Ford

for having the event out there out here in uh. I guess that was

that Virginia Beach Chesspeare, I guess is right there, and I guess I still considered Chesapeake Greenbrier. Yeah, area out here. We saw a lot

of really really nice cars. But the cool thing about it was it opened

up conversation for us And the biggest reason why is so they had a sixty four and a half Mustang on display. Nathaniels was the twenty twenty four,

So they were showing the the difference how much things have changed from one of the other. And they parked them side by side. So it's kind of

cool to you know, really put them there. But then, like I

said, it opened up a lot of conversation for us of just the advancements and cars, right, like how things have changed so much when you look at a sixty four and a half Mustang and you sit there and look at everything on it, and then you sit there and you look at a twenty twenty four Mustang. I mean, it's obviously as ever, righty knows it's

night and day. But it's just crazy how we'd moved that quickly to you

know what it is, and everybody's like, well, it's Dave, it's sixty years. I'm like, okay, right it is. But like with

all the small things that have changed, it does add right. Right.

It's one of those things where it's just like, okay, so the sixty four and a half the charging system was different, and then they switched to what sixty somebody was going to correct me seven that they changed over? Is

it maybe it's sixty six? You know what's really different except just turning a

key and pushing a bunch. Okay, so obviously you know car rate it

to fuel injection system. That's you know, everybody knows that. But just

first of all, when we parked the two cars side by side, right, the width of the cars are crazy. Nathaniel and I were sitting across

from it because we were out there, you know, for the show, you know, doing our appearance and everything, and the car was the cars were parked directly across from where we were set up at. So as you

sit there, Nathaniel and I were talking about it like his car is a car and a half versus the sixty four. Really, I mean as far

with wise, I mean, the discretion were crazy. Yeah. So another

thing that we were talking about that we really wish that was looking at the two front ends, right, so obviously huge difference between the two fronts.

I really wish that they would have did a throwback for the sixty year mark or something like that, where would have had more of like the sixty four frontend, like round headlights still had maybe the orange marker lights somewhere down on it. They would have kept with the grill being, you know, something

just a throwback touch to it. And then than was like, yeah,

probab would look pretty coolh We started, I told you guys, we go down holes pretty quick. We started kind of throwing out like, okay,

well you could do this and you can do that. As we're just staring

at the two front ends, some of the things that you can kind of bring, you know, over from the sixty year model, Right, I really think that that's what Mustang should do. Just I know you guys for

me say, it's just like the Challenger did, they did the throwback on it. I really think a throwback Mustang kind of body style would be kind

of cool. I think there's a way that you could do it and make

it interesting. Just like I said, I really wish that kind of Camaro

did a little bit more of a throwback. You know when they did it,

I mean they kind of started kind of the body back around to look big, big bulky bottle body like the sixty nine. But if they would

have thrown more sixty nine cues into it, it would be a cooler looking car. I think Musting could have did that. But it's just it's what

kind of cues are you looking for us? Like, you know, you

know some models they'll do like stitching, they'll do badging, they'll do the problem with badging. So we're we're on a crazy badging trip right the second

I saw something in an article that was they're bringing back some more of the old names, but they're throwing on things that have nothing to do Once again with that car, right, that car, it's a whole different car and badging is horrible. I just I hate rebadging when it doesn't fit the bill.

Like you guys know, I hated the new Dart. I'm glad it

went away because the Dart was, as far as I'm concerned, was a kind of a cool car. It was like an entry level muscle car,

kind of you could do some muscle car kind of things to it when it had the Dart. I mean, granted, I know there was some piece

of junk what six cylinder darts out of whatever. People didn't really care about

it, and there's four door darts and all that stuff, but still like the Dark Swinger cool car. I've seen a lot of them done up that

look really cool. So if you're gonna use the dark name, it should

have went to something that was, as far as I'm concerned, was still cool. You guys know, I hate the mock the mock e which is

reusing them basically mock one Mustang name and they put on it and it's a suv. Now dumb, dumb idea. But I saw I saw something was

talking about like what if they brought back the Furrery name for the fore Fury.

There was a trying to remember some of the other ones. There's a

bunch of them. I can't remember what they are, but if they would

have brought back, there's a bunch of names to talk about they would like to use again. I had to look them all up. There's just so

you know, a lot of them are the old names, and they're on cooler cars and what they plan on putting them on now. It's just like,

ah, man, Like it's one thing if you brought back like that we talked about the other he brought back the Chevy Chavette name. I'd expect

you to put it on something was kind of like a Chevy Chavette, you know what I mean, Like, I would expect you to bring back the Chavette name and put it on a sports car, you know, the opposite.

But I feel like Super did a pretty well job doing that, right.

They kind of, you know, mocked it up to what the old version was. They think that makes sense. They brought back the Super name.

It's on something that's edgy, kind of cool. Muscle car. I

want to say, muscle car is maybe I don't know what that. I

don't know what a sports car. I guess, yeah, I mean it

kind of, but it falls into the name fits right, right, and the body didn't really change and shake. And if you bring back Selica,

let's just say, for toy, if you brought back the Selica name, which I rumor they're going to do a Selica again, I would expect it to be on something that's like a mid entry level sports car, because a Selica kind of fell on that platform, you know what I mean. But

or if you did, let's just say he brought back the Chrysler Conquests, okay, which was I know people, there's a lot of people don't have love for that car. I do. I thought the car was really cool

for what it was. There was a couple in our parking lot when I

was in high school neat little turbo car. But if you brought that name

back and decided to use that name, right, I would expect you to use that name on something that represents what that car used to be. So

as we walk the parking lot and we were looking a lot of car like you could bring back, like the Duster. There's a really really nice Duster

that goes to the car shows. I see it all the time that I

think it's Dale's car, It's purple Duster. It's got a lot of awards.

I see it a lot of car shows. Clean car. But you

could bring back the Duster name right and put it on something that was kind of cool edgy, could you? If you guys remember the Duster, I

know a lot of cars. I think we got away with those box body

cars. Yeah you did. But okay, so you remember the Duster had

a square front end and around back in right, So you could do something similar to that in a new car design, just like. Okay, so

you saw that they're making the Chevelle right now, I think they're making it out of a Camaro. If you guys have seen that there's a company that's

making the new Chevelle, I think they take a Camaro and cut it and make it look like. You could do something like that in the in the

Dodge world where maybe like the center section was uh kind of set up, used the original body of say like a charger or excuse me, a Challenger, but then round it out on the backside and stuff like that to make it more like a Duster and give a Duster name. That would be to

me, but I would never be so ugly. No, not at all.

Really, you know, I think it's kind of cool. I think

it's ugly. I mean it is. It looks a lot like a Camaro

to me. That's had, you know, some work done to it,

so you know, on that aspect of things, Okay, it still kind of has a lot of Camaro look to it, but it looks like you're trying to be like an El Camino stuff like, yeah, look at the old Shevell. Look at a sixty nice Zvelle. It kind of it kind

of resembles the sixty nine Chavell, so if you you know, and I think that's what it kind of looks. It looks like it looks like Transformers

went to go change into a car and like some but like I said, it's it spiraled the conversation for us while we were at the car show of like how did we get here? Right? Like, if you take a

look at car the evolution of automobiles, it's really just kind of a crazy ride really when you think about it, right, I mean, cars have become so I mean, even I was talking about I was like, look, I can remember like being a kid and riding in cars and a lot of the cars I was riding in were seventies model cars because I was born in the seventies. So but you saw a little bit of sixties run around

too, right, Yeah, because they weren't eatin. There was still there

was still a bunch of sixty cars running around, tons of them runing around when I was a kid. But you know, I remember the simplicity of

cars, Like cars are really really simplistic back then compared to what they are now. I mean, you just got in a car and had a dashboard,

had some gauges. It didn't have a bunch of buttons, it didn't

have all that kind of stuff. A lot of them. I rode in

didn't have c but they did didn't use them anybody. The craftmanship was completely

different, don't you agree. I would say that the craftsmanship was it's quality

to a certain degree. It was. There was a difference between low end

cars and high end cars back then, and you definitely knew when you were in the difference they were. They weren't trying to fake it. Yeah,

yeah, they weren't. I mean, plether was plether and that's just what

it was. I mean, And and your skin stuck to it when it

was hot and it was awful, and I remember that. And then then

when they did there were kind of material seats that was jumped too, because they got dirty real easily. They showed wear on them real easily. So

there were so many different things they tried, but you knew the difference.

I remember the Mary, yes, but I don't see that to so.

I remember the very first car seats are still white, and they did.

But let me tell you, I remember the very first, uh Cadillac I got into, like the first time I ever sat down in a Cadillac, and I knew then the difference between like this and that. Cadillacs were pretty

nice. I mean they were, and they were they you felt they were

big and they were cushy, but they felt very luxurious. I remember the

very first Mercedes I ever sat down in, and then I realized that Cadillac was nothing like a Mercedes. You know what I mean? There's levels of

this, yeah right, I was like, there's there's absolute levels to what it was. I remember sitting down the very first Rolls Royce and that was

an old Roys race. I want to say that Rolls Royce was from like

the seventies, and I sat down and that was when they were really big and stuff. But what was your first impression where you're impressed you I wasn't

so I was I too overhyped at the time. Yeah, so I didn't

get Rolls Royce. I didn't understand like the price tags on them when people

have told me, even when I was a kid, what they cost.

And I looked at the car, I'm like, well, it looks like it dropped right out of the forties. I mean, it didn't look like

anything had changed on it, and it looked it just looked old, right, except it just had like really like weird, like luxurious interior, and it had like trade tables and and you know, right like you just had things that I didn't really understand. I was just like, this car has

all this stuff, but yet the car looks like it felt like out of like nineteen forty three, and it just didn't make it like it didn't make any sense to me as a kid. I was like, but people are

like drooled over and people like, oh, it's a Rolls Royce. And

I can remember people wanted to, like when I was younger, they would cross the parking lot to go take a look at it. You know.

I mean, like you see rolls Royce down. Don't think nobody really does

that. But back then, like if you saw what parked on the street,

people made it a point to go take a look at that car, right, And that's when he asked, you know, even that, I start realizing the evolution of car when I was younger, I was like, Okay, things have really like they're chinding and things are starting to shift and stuff like that. What about hood ornaments? Do you kind of miss the

hood ornament era? Okay, so I'm not a hood ornament guy just now.

I'm just curious because it was a big thing, big and they're huge, and they're tacky, and I just, I just I'm not flat badge.

Yeah I am. So. I actually appreciate the fact that this is

going to sound bad. When people were snatching the Mercedes symbols off the top

of Mercedes, because I thought the car looked better without the Mercedes big old logo stick it off the front of the car. I thought it looked so

tacky. And I used to see living in Vegas, you saw a lot

of Mercedes and they all had the big and I remember y'all kids used to wear them to school. They'd snatched them out the car, put them on

a chain and wear them to school. And that's crazy. Yep, I

remember it. But I actually thought they did them a favor by taking it

off the car, because the car looked better without that big, huge ornament.

But you know, I remember people riding around with like big angels and stuff, like they were selling like over the top extra hood ormans you could add your car, and people had them because that was just that air.

But I was like, okay, how about the dashboard ornaments. I got

my Honolulu in the dash It just didn't make any like the hood ormans I thought were dumb. I didn't like big, huge, like flashy bumpers on

cars either, Like they used to have big, huge grills and bumpers, and most of them they looked so over the top. They look dumb.

Now here's the crazy thing. As I'm getting older and I look at some

of the old cars, I appreciate a little bit some of that workmanship, and I'm like, I could make that car look cool if I just changed a couple things, maybe tuck the bumper back further but left the grill.

I start seeing that. But as a kid, I'm like, that looks

dumb, Like it's so dumb, and people were like us, piece of part. Yeah, no exactly. Now we know why he likes kit cars.

By the way, it's because he wants to be able to have a car that he can design himself. And look, you guys say kit car,

I say, I know, I use the term kit car. If

you guys have never followed any of the episodes we talked about my left car.

I have an affection for certain kit cars, not all of them.

A lot of stuff that's Fierro based I don't really like because they use a lot of Fierra, a lot of BW because the proportions are wrong. I

like, I don't like a Bradley GTS. That's why everybody thinks of that

was like one of the really popular kit cars. If you guys don't know,

and you never looked it up, but some of you guys listening, I know what no exactly what I'm talking about. I just thought it was

a Volkswagen bug with like some weird looking like gold wing doors as somebody put on it and did around fron end. I mean there was even though it

was a fiberglass body. I mean still it kind of looked like a bug

with just a weird body on it. What we're talking about when I talk

about kit car, I probably should say more like replica cars. I told

you guys, I like the glaborating Kuntash replica car, but I wanted on a tube chassis because it gets the right wheelbase and that looks like the car I've seen them done. Where you put him side by side, he might

be able to pick him apart, but from five feet away or so like that, they comes in right. You know. Actually, you know,

Karen, be what you're actually billion wise, not just kind of throwing stuff together. Just you put that's putting the care into building stuff. So let's

think think about it this way, guys. There's a lot of different stuff

that can be done when it comes to come to cars and modification. That's

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one thousand and three. Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive

specialist. Now back to your host Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome

back. So we're talking about like the evolution of cars, right, I

mean this is funny, Like I said, you know, going to the car show and like when you really start to see new and old and you really start to see it side by side, it really does show you n in difference. Yeah, it's it's what was really uh pushed out back then

to what's important now. So like we said size to air dynamics and stuff.

I mean we you know, they were all, you know, everything's really plastic nowadays and stuff. It was a lot big change. I miss

things not being plastic, I really do. I I really dislike the heaviness

of the plastic that's in everything. I just wish there was some way to

make it. Like I'm all for upholstering over the top of plast so you

don't really realize it's a plast At least looks nicer right right in our trans am. That's one of the things I don't really like about the car,

and I think that's one thing I think I want to change. You know,

the center console on a trans aam is it's kind of that plastic elt material. Now it's not that it's just it's just it's heavy plastic. And

I really think that it would have looked nicer if it was like wrapped in leather and then nicely stitched. It would have a nicer look to that car.

And I just don't understand why man in fact don't do that. On

certain things. You could do that. It wouldn't on a manufacturing side,

It probably wouldn't be all that expensive. Now. I wouldn't try to go

back and do it aftermarket. It seems to be a lot more expensive to

do it. But if they just did it in the manufacturing process of it,

you'd already have it. You wouldn't have to worry about modifying it.

You know, we've talked about on the show how I really believe we should put money back into the interior cars and really make them nice. And it's

funny because when we were preparing for the show and I was looking up information and stuff and talking about it, the whole niceness of a car like wasn't even important until the late thirties. Like it was just one hundred percent functional.

Everything was just functional. Nobody there wasn't you know, you didn't have

all the little buttons, all the stuff like that. Nobody was worried about

any of that kind of stuff. It was just does the car run?

Does it go down to point? I mean, like now they were starting

to get some styled women starting to look, you know, look like something back then, but as far as inside and stuff of the cars, there was no real importance on a lot of things in most of the cars.

So, like I said, you know, it's funny. So I get

in this argument all the time with people who just probably don't know and I won't say argument with topic of conversation with people that don't know anybody. You

know, a lot of people referenced like the first car as Henry Ford, right. It was like, oh, Henry Ford. I'm like, that's

not the first car. That was the first mass production of a car.

And then and I think that maybe that's just people who aren't really car car people and maybe a little bit misinforming to get in that conversation, and I go, guys, cars were around in the seventeen hundreds. The difference was

is everything was hand handmade, one off kind of build. I mean,

like you know, they made more than one but basically one off build kind of situation. Cars didn't really take over until Henry Ford started mass producing them.

And that's when the automobile just took off. Do you know who made

the first car? Do I know who made you know who made the first

was that mister Ben's it was it was nice. It was mister Bens and

he actually developed the Benz patent motor wagon that three wheels. I can't tell

you what the name of it was, but I remember the name, and I don't remember. That doesn't tell me what they named it, just him.

And that was in eighteen eighty five. Uh no, no, no,

no, no, no. It goes back further than that. So

seventeen sixty was like it's like the first seen seventeen sixties like the first recorded automobile, and it was done on steam. It was a steam car.

That's how far I know it goes back and I remember that somebody's going to correct me on a bunch of the information. I do remember it was like

back in my nineteen seventeen sixty and then there was no transition really in cars, guys, Like there was no big leap. I mean, things were

different, but as far as like let's go modernized or anything like, there was really no leap from like seventeen sixty to like the late eighteen hundreds before we really started to try to jump forward and like set us be outstanding, like I might add this to my car, that's gonna make a difference and all kind of So it's part because a lot of people didn't have cars back then at the time, right, it was probably such a niche market.

They probably weren't thinking about, you know, making it. They're probably only

thinking about making it functional, I think, And then I think that's what they were about functional. Like so just like you get in the conversation nowadays

about electric cars, everyone was like all these electric cars, and I laughed to myself. Seventeen sixty nine. Seventeen sixty nine by a French engineer called

Nikolis Joseph Cougnot, and it was steam carriages. Carriage steam was the first.

But electric cars, right everybody, it's a big conversation right now.

I don't like, I don't want electric car start with things, and people talk about like this is new news, which I think is funny, funny, funny as can be, because the first electric car was in the eighteen hundreds. Guys, eighteen hundreds was the first electric car. We were thinking

about electric cars way back then because they are more efficient. If I remember

correctly, the it could go fifty miles. We're talking about it could go

fifty miles on one charge. So I mean, like that's fifty miles.

It's pretty good. But like what three something now? So I mean all

this time, that's not a big difference. What do you think about it?

In timeline that that just came and went and then you had to combuntion an engine and then so you know, they tried it. So when people

go all these new electric cars, I just giggled myself because I was like, oh, it's not new. I mean, we're doing in eighteen hundreds

and now you know we're twenty twenty four. It's not a and I'm sure

all the computers and advanced and stuff, but still the car was still electric.

It didn't matter. Back then. The car was electric. Electric is

electric. I don't care how you go about it. Me back in eighteenth

man, I love computers. He back in eighteen eighty one is where it

actually was developed. It was developed back in an Hungarian inventor. There was

two two inventors, Gustav Gustavi and then there was also another one by the name of Onos Jedling. Okay, yep, yeah, the man he is

trying to pull those names out like I'm trying a big question for you.

Well, just to take you off a tandem quick as I was looking some things up. How about the road? When did the first road? When

did we first start thinking about roads like asphalt roads like asphalt roads and changing the roads for the cars. I'm gonna say asphalt probably came around late nineteen

hundreds, I mean early nineteen eighteen hundreds, eighteenth century yep, late eighteenth century or early Just as during the eighteenth century, there were improvements in road construction and maintenance in some regions, particularly in Europe. Europe was the first

one to start upgrading their roads. All right, Well here's the thing for

you, all right, So was it nineteen oh eight's the model T.

Right, so nineteen oh eight to the thirties, no huge like advancements in like technology inside of the cars or anything like that, right, So they just like said functionality was really just really big thing. Just let them get

their motion. I laughed because I didn't even know this that like have like

the add ons to cars, the things that people actually like got, like now we get touch screens. Now're like, oh my god, it's got

this and that. The add ons for cars back then that were like people

were like like over the top, over was windows, windows for your car.

They have a windshield, Okay, they have windshield wipers was another was another big thing that people got. The rear view mirror was a huge thing.

If you got a car that had a mirror, it like a rear view mirror. Of all the simplest things. People thought that that was.

You know, it's just like it's got a mirror. So for the newest

things, sliced bread, right, right, So I looked, I looked a couple of different things up. So there's a list of it. So

gas powered lighting another one, power lighting. Wooden wheels. Everybody wanted a

wooden wheel back in the day, in the in the eighteen hundred wooden wheels would tire on it right, like a thrown back to like the horse carriage leather leather seats. Well, everybody did everything and everybody wanted that was what

was what they were doing. Horns were also an add on back vehicle horns

to be a you know, you know what the invention of that hordon was.

I bet money the horn was because there got to be so many cars on the road. Then you feel like you didn't feel like you needed it

until there was so many cars on the road. I mean, what was

it. There's like, what is the thing where the there was like two

cars in one state and those cars end up having an accident in that state there was only two cars or something. We even didn't even think about this

when we were talking spare tires. Everybody talks about if you look like look

at the old cars, they all had the spare tires like mounted on the outside. I have a picture somewhere. I think I've told you guys about

things that like existed back then that you couldn't do now, right. I

have a picture somewhere. I had to find it, and it is a

side car like box that goes on cars and it's for the kids to sit in this little sidecar on the outside like a motorcycle. It's on cars,

though it's on a car and there's no wheel. It's like it almost looks

I kid you not, I gotta find the picture. It looks like a

cage, like a little cage that sits like a little basket cage that bolts on the side of the car and the kids could sit in that while the car went down the road. I was like, so what you can add

piece and quiet and upway on the running board, mate, Like it's almost bolted the side of the running board and there's kids sitting And I was like, think of all the laws that we have nowadays, right, Like, could you imagine if I bolted like a cage on the side of my car and like, oh, y'all sit in that? When was that? I

think it was from like the nineteen hundred, So seatbolts weren't thing. But

no, no, no, no sounds even worries. Ab well, think

about it. In my time, we didn't have to wear seatbelts. It

wasn't against the law and not we you were seating right Like I remember, I think I told you guys. We went on long road trips. My

brother was skinny and kind of lanky back then, and he would crawl up in the back packet shelf of the car and laid down and go to sleep.

Oh like Nate did in the Corvette that but we had a We had a Pontiac, big Pontiac Bona Bill, and he could crawl up on wrong road trip. I'm gonna talk like when you on long road trips. He

would crawl. I would lay on the floor and I lay across the floor

right, and we'd put pillows down where the little hump was at between the two feet wells put pellows and I laid on the floor. My sister would

lay down on the back seat. My brother would crawl up and lay down

on the package shelf area up over the you know seat comes to the package right. He lay up there, and there was nobody pulling you over for

that. I mean, like, you know, it's just what you did.

I mean, think about you rode in the front seats of cars, no seatbelts. Used to see kids climb even tho all the old movies you

watch the kids climb back and forth over the seat as the das driving down the road. You know what I mean, no one's talking about seat belts,

So how many people were hanging outside the windows. And then you go

back to the pickup truck and stuff like that, so you have that right, here's the thing. Another another invention on cars. These are the things

you don't think about. That was a revolutionary change in cars that took a

one step right, one step further. Electric start. So remember you had

a crank start all your cars and then electric start. Nineteen twelve was when

they had electric start, and that was like now you can just you know, turn a lever and the car started first having to get out there and crank them, and then everybody was like one car by the way. My

whole entire life, I had a friend who had h I think that was a ford that could be wrong, but it was crank. How many cranks

did it it actually start? It just depends sometimes, Like like his started

with them, like the handturn radios, you got to create the radio.

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saying. I'm like, think about like all the people that had to like

you know, the world was like okay, we can do this with the engine. Why can't we do this with windows? It's just it's an absolutely,

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to your host, Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So

before we went to commercial break, we were hollering about all the different stuff when it came to cars, a technology that's changed, and just as the innovation right of cars going back from the beginning. And I said this,

this came about from us just sitting around this weekend at the car show looking at you know, old and new. So I find it kind of interesting

that when I was going through and I was looking all the different stuff, right, I think I told you, I think the last secon we kind of touched on a little bit. So turn signals weren't even until nineteen thirty

nine, invented by Buick. So Buick was the very first one to put

turn signals in cars. And then that became like and people still don't use

what you do people, right, that's funny. Maybe up one hundred year

mark, yeah, I mean yeah, maybe a hundred years of people.

I'm a blinker person. I hate that people. Do you ever think blink?

Because, like I've always asked this to myself, why haven't blinkers been reinvented yet? Why we tell that conversation many times? Like I really do

feel like we can create a system that the blinkers come on automatic. Okay,

so lane changing right, so you know in new lane changing devices on cars it knows when you kind of go over the lane a little bit.

I think that we could do something that where the blinker comes up. That's

just my personal opinion. But right, we talked about that well before you

know they're coming on, when you were talking about like you wish, you know, old headlights, circle headlights would come back, and Souther, I feel like it's kind of a reason why you know it hasn't came back is because you know that's tynalogy of valls and stuff. You know, we want

to see clear on the road, brighter lights and stuff. It doesn't matter.

What does it really matter? Like what like shape the headlight is maybe

square around, is it really does it really make light go different? I

don't think so look at yours. Yours are like now slits is three slits

in the front. Well yeah, but it's like it's you know, it's

it's horizontal. It's not really you know, in a circle basis stuff.

Because if you think about, like, you know, when projectors came out and stuff in the headlights, you know, they were still kind of circle list. Well here's okay, So here's the thing we talked about this years

ago, Like, we hadn't even thought about changing like how headlights work until just within like the last couple of years. We hadn't thought about changing the

way the windshow wipers work or the way we clear the windows off until just recently. Now they have you know, headlights that fallow the road and stuff,

but no one had up util a couple of years ago. No one

really ever thought about the technology of the headlight, right, Well, I mean, and it's one of the most essential things for trying to be able to see, and we weren't even focused on like making it bright enough to be able to see out there. Well I made the point right that,

you know, fog lights aren't really a thing anymore either, you know, see that on you know cars, right all the time it was like a necessary you know, add on looking So hey, hey, I still use my fog lights to this day. We're talking about like newer cars wise and

stuff like fog lights aren't like, you know, the big thing anymore or you know, they're not really included. Like I think it was looks.

I think it was more to have to do with looks on fog lights a lot of times. You think it was just kind of promoted as a fog

light truckasm, right, And I think them every once in a while I use them. I don't use them probably like I should, Okay, but

they're there, and I think it's more of a styling queue than it is like a functionality. I will say I didn't add them in. I'll admit,

like after the first year of earning my car, I didn't know I had fog lights. You know, I knew that those lights were down there,

but you know, I always thought that they were turning on, you know. And so one day, like I accidentally pushed my button in and

like I saw like the lights. I'm like, what's that special light that's

not a check engine Like this time, I'm just using check engine lights turning on. I don't know, dude, I have I told you I have

a magical car, my light turns off and on. I I just think,

I really it's funny to me, Just like I said, the technology the changing cars there we went through gaps really like where there was really nothing like there was advances, guys, because I know if I say this, people are gonna send me letters and some emails tell me, you know how how I was wrong in Texas and stuff like you guys do. I'm just

talking about like your advance, like we weren't. Okay, So from nineteen

sep hold on, from nineteen seventy three right until nineteen ninety eight, there wasn't huge advance like in a lot of technology in cars. Now we went

from adding like okay, so I read this article, right, the biggest advanced in cars that anybody ever talks about is when we added computers to cars.

That was like the big advance, right, maybe a lot quicker.

It was an analog inputsuly So once we started adding computers to cars, that really changed a lot of things. But from seventy three until nineteen ninety eight,

they say that was almost like a stone age of cars as far as technology advances, like we already kind of had most of stuff. We may

have changed the way it turns on or how if it was a switch or a knob. But for the most part, we kind of stayed really simple

in cars, Like cars really started to change from ninety eight up. We'll

think about how many cars had I want to say, analog clocks, but the clock physical clocks. Right now, you can't find a physical clock in

a car. You got to look at that ratio. I remember, like

we see the time. We're like, if you saw one in a car

think I want to say Mercedes. With Mercedes was like it was like a

big deal, Like you know what I mean, Like you saw like it was really nice and stuff like that. They're like, oh wow, what

doesn't do well because even around them or not at Chrysler, My bad does it? Chrysler has the clock the analog cross in there. I don't.

I'm not a Dodge guy. I couldn't tell you Mopark as the car Mopark

guys and see if they do or don't. So when we talk about the

advances, right when I'm talking about from seventy three to like ninety eight, not a whole lot of advances, that's when the very I know he's Nathanas showed me a picture of one a little throwback. It is a throwback.

Ninety eight was when airbags first start, like when they were mandy like from ninety eight on, So we weren't really worried about airbags or anything like that up until that point. Now, everything that setn article something like that where

they had invented air bags or something like that, like in the seventies.

I want to say, maybe like seventy three or somewhere in the seventies they had invented airbag, but they weren't They're not in cars, like you know what I mean, aren't like it wasn't important for them to be in vehicles.

So that's kind of weird. But so then let's go ahead and move

forward. Right. The technology advances that were going on in cars that we

didn't see stuff going on underneath the hood obviously was carburetion, to fuel injection, adding computers. Those were some of the stuff that was being advanced,

But the cars themselves didn't look like a lot of things were advancing on them.

They're advancing under the hood, and right, so one of the things that got uh that advance that we didn't really think about as looking at a car is the invention of crumple zones. Okay, so crumbles, you know,

crumples and most of you allsoul know a crumble zone is it's a notch in the body so that it helps the car fold in in a certain way so nobody gets hurt. Okay. So those were the advances. Takes absorbs

and reduces the force collision. But those were things. Those were the advancements

that were going on right Like, so if you have a car from the seventies, it could take a hit, you know, I mean like now, the problem with it was is they say it would take a hit, and that was a bad thing because it would you know, you know, you were in the car and the car didn't get damaged. It would jarr

you round on the car so it didn't exhorb anything. They started doing the

crumple zone so the car would exsorb more and have less of an impact on the body when they move around. They did that with test dummies and that's

when you start see remember all the commercials we see. If you guys are

my age, you remember you saw tons of commercials on TV. It was

always done with test dummies and stuff like that. I saw a somebody sending

an old Ford commercial thank you for something I don't know. I can't remember

who was somebody, somebody sent me one and uh, it's got the truck blasting like through the desert, like a Ford truck blast of the desert, and they're just just strung but like things you wouldn't dare do to a vehicle nowadays, like some of the videos. Nathanie and I were sitting the car

show and they were playing the original song like a rock not the one that we know from Chevy, but the actual like a rock song, and it was a full length song. And I turned my I said, I remember

they used this in Chevy commercials like they did. Well, it's not his

generation, it's that would be mine. But I remember that was a staple

you heard if you were in the kitchen. Let me say nowadays, if

you were in the kitchen, the TV was on in the living room because we didn't join the living rooms and kitchens back then, you could hear it playing and you're like, you already knew as soon as you heard that song, you knew that was it. Yeah, the radio turned all the way

out, No, don't know that was on TV. Like you knew that

that song was associated. You had the station to just perfect. Oh no,

no joking, no static, no static. Yeah, but I say,

you had to go and grab the bunny ears and I had to go grab the bunny ears and recorrect, recorrect, No, it was it was a closet hangar I had. I had bunny ears with the turn knob on

a TV back when I was a kid. But so many times you have

to go on the roof to readjust sit on top of your TV. But

I did have it, and I remember actually taking the tinfoil and putting it on top of the end of the ten to think of that made a difference.

But yeah, you guys laugh. But I remember the very first digital

stereo I saw in a car because before that everything was like, you know, turn up and stuff. And I remember the first time I saw a

digital radio and I was just I remember kind of being at all because I was just like, wow, but were you it was pretty cool? No,

I was. I was because I actually went to go turn the radio.

I didn't notice. I sat down someone's car and I want to go

turn the radio and it was digital. There wasn't a nob to turn.

I was like, you were thinking you weren't thinking that, like you could have got there quicker. You weren't like not impressed that, like it took

so long because you already seen computers and like technology. Like I know,

we like you know, there's different situations that we were you know, focused on, but like you was thinking it would come down quicker through you know, the channels. Okay, So the answer that for you there's a lot

of things that happened in car technology is I grew up, and I'm sure our parents could probably focus on some of that. Like my dad, I'm

sure he could focus on the things he remembers from his but I literally can remember some of the leaps and some of the jumps and cars as I got in and out of cars. As I as I was getting older from a

kid, I start seeing things I had not seen in cars, and I was you guys, remember I had been a car guy since I could push him around the floor as hot wheels. I was just infatuated cars. I

had the bug so early that everything cars just I was captivated by it.

It isn't guys, what it was. I was captivated by. You guys

were happy when you guys had a little hook you could put your dry cleaning on. Okay, that made you, guys even more exciting. I can't

okay, hold wait a minute, I gotta take it. I can't believe

I got take another commerier break. Gotta take another commercial break when we come

back. I'm gonna expand on that a little bit, because I do remember

some of those things. There's little things I just remember. I'll be right

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Hey, guys, welcome back to the show. So before we're got a

commercial break. Okay, So if you heard the question, it was about

the little hook for you, like you're dry cleaning into the car, right, So I remember, I can't. I can't remember when it was,

but I can remember the first time I got someone's car, it saw like dry clean hanging on that hook. Merely knew what it was for it when

I was a little confused, like I look, I thought, I thought, he I don't even I don't even think that car had an oh, you know what handle in it. I don't even think it had that.

I think it just had that fold down, which now you see that in cars, not with it now you're not even getting those. But I don't

even think it was a corporate I want to say that it was like a I know it was a Dodge product, I remember correctly, but it was one of the big square, boxy Dodges. You guys, give me the

names. I cannot remember that. I want it wasn't an Imperial, but

maybe it was. It was something like that, and I remember it was

that car, and if I remember correctly, it was a friend of mine whose parents picked us up and they had it hanging there. But I don't

remember what year that was, but I do remember going, well, man, I never seen one of those. I'll tell you something. I remember

getting in a car as a kid. I don't, and I know I

was young. The very first car I got into had electric windows, because

every before all I saw was crank up. Most people I knew had crank

up windows. So when I got in a car they had electric windows.

How long did you play with it? Like up and down? I didn't.

I didn't. I just remember like, like the electric window. Now,

I had seen electric windows in cars before, it don't be wrong, but it wasn't like a staple in cars, right, I knew had to crank up window, but actually getting down and sitting down in the in the car, and like here in the I was just like, you know, like, oh, so you know that. Imagine how they were when they

just clicked the button and let go of it and the window started to roll down on it. I don't know when I was in benda. But I

can tell you the first car I had that did that, like and you made it happen or it came with it. I didn't know it had it.

I bought the car and I didn't know it had that. And I

remember discovering it like on the like the second time I drove it, and I went to go roll the window down, and then of a sudden I saw the window going down. I thought the buttons I didn't realize broke.

Yeah. I didn't realize that that was a feature. I thought that that

was one hundred percent. I thought that. I like, I looked down

and see if the if the button was stuck, and I was like And then I remember playing with it for like back and forth as I was driving down the road because I was just like, wow, so this is meant to do that. It's not sticking. It's meant to do I always thought

it was weird that you know, you could push it down but you never go up all the way. I never like it was like, it's so

easy just to make it. Thought it's funny said that. I thought.

I was like, they put down a big deal, but when it starts raining, you wanted to go back real quickly, you know what I mean, Like right, so why can't you just click it when it's rained to go back. I used to think about that all the time. I was

like this, this is this feature's cool, but it'd be great if it goes back up. I remember nineteen eighty. I want to say it was

eighty six. A kid I knew had a U two I think it was.

No, it was a Nissan. I think it was a too eighty

es. I'd have to look at it was either too eighty or two six

eas. And he had electric windows in it. But he had like the

first model if you guys remember like the Viper alarm, right Viper, Like everybody wanted one. Everybody wanted one back then, but it rolled down the

windows and rolled the windows up, and I just thought, I was like, I want to say, I was, well, I can't remember what grade I was inna no money, but I wasn't roll enough to drive a car yet, you know, in eighty six. So but I remember seeing

it and it was cool and it was my I was just he'd messed with it because of course it was like new technology. So like when people would

walk by his cars, almost like clicking your alarm. Nowadays, people walk

by his car and he'd hit the button and the windows would roll down and has to be you know what I mean. So yeah, you just think

there must be somebody in that car. You look around, you don't see

anybody, but I remember. But you gotta remember night Rider was like really

really popular in the time that that technology. So when things had like everybody

associated anything if a car did anything automatic, people just automatically associated with night Rider, you know, right, It's just no, no, but that's just how things have like that's how things have changed. Like so Nathaniel,

he was like, what about AC, right, So, like I think every now I can say not every car I got in had a C because I remember AC was an option. Back then you either had a C,

but people had a C. It never seemed like if you were in the

back seat, it never seemed to work. Like you were sweating bullets.

There were forty degrees in the front seat and you were one twenty in the back. You know what, you know, You're you're leaning forward trying to

like peer between the two seats to get to catch that vent right to get the blow on it. Like I literally remember remember sitting in them. I

even as a kid, would sit in the middle seat just to be able to get the front air to come towards me. So I grew up at

a good time. I was cleaning a car. I was telling me.

I was cleaning a car once, and as I was cleaning, I was vac I mean there was stuff underneath the seat, and I ended up seeing that. That was the first time I remember seeing a plastic vent that was

underneath one of the seats that was directing air to come to the back seat.

And I was just like, well, isn't that nifty, you know what I mean, Like I'd never seen one. So all these advancement since

it it is, but like the outside of the cars weren't really like everything kind of looked mundane, like nothing was like really over the top yet.

But those were the advancements that we've probably never really noticed. Like the things

that were being added to cars, you didn't really notice and you didn't see like I said, I mean, like you said, you couldn't get ac but you had enough as trays for everybody, right right right? Yeah,

we were talking, So you all remember and if if you all the listen of the Showtle or younger and don't remember I remember being weird. I'll tell

them I remember being in a car that I sat in the car. Now

I wasn't. I was a smoker for a certain part of time in life,

but obviously as a kid, they had a cigarette. I was.

I could. I was sitting in the back seat of this car and I

was looking and I want to say that was a Chrysler product too, And I was sitting in the back of it, and I was just like, I want to say, that was one of the big lebarons, Like maybe it wasn't Liberian, but it was a big boxy and it had ash trays or like had ash trays in the doors. It had ash trays on the

back of the seats. And I was sitting there going just how many ash

trays is one person needing a car? Because if I remember that car hasn't

been all doors. I knew it had them on the back seat, and

I think there was some like the center console one, and I believe the passenger had one that folded down too. For that Like, it was just

so many ash trays, But that just tells you how times it change.

I was find it funny because like people knew that like having like cigarettes in the car was like an ickment. So what they did was they just have

like little covers that just like fall down the high cigarette b Yeah, the little metal slide cars. But I I always hate like it's funny. I

can't believe I even because I remember I remember being a kid and going, oh, I hate when to get somebod's car and it someone was like smoke.

The new cars used to come with cigarette lighters. It used to come

with one in the box. It came one if one already plugged in the

back, and they gave you an extra one. Well, cars with cigarette

lighters anymore. Certain certain cars had cigarette lighters in the back seat too.

From the bat, I had them in the back and I'm like, and you really promote and smoking, like did like the did the cigarette people get with the car people and they're like, hey, let's make sure we got all this stuff covered just so more cigarettes smoke. Like I said, it

was funny me I even turned into a smoker. I started smoking. Really,

I mean, I think everybody smokes here and they're like like in high school, but uh, back then they did. They don't know and don't

military the military in the military, lots of time is sitting in the sit and wait game. That's what I did, and then I end up quitting.

And now it like even the smell bothers me to deathly, you know, I mean a cigarette smoke. It's funny how I'm just like h and

I can smell if I'm far away, and I think that's just a reformed smoker iness that you can smell it as soon as you smell it. You're

like, man, I can't believe I ever smelled like that. But it's

funny how cars just geared their life around smoking. I mean, so many

ash trays, and you don't seem at all right, Like right, I don't think there's it. Is there any car out there, guys that still

puts an ashtray in a car that anybody knows if so let me know, because I don't. I don't know if any camera's gonna look up. I

don't know if any car out there still has an ash tray. But I

have gotten into customers cars that use the cup holder as an ashtray, and I think that's it grows to me. I literally, I'm not talking about

putting on of those inserts in that you have the ash tray I've talked about.

They just ash right in the cup holder in the center console and I'm like, okay, well, first of all, like that's gonna burn some stuff up and damage the car, and that's really gross. And I don't

know, but does it tell you when they stopped putting them in cars?

I see camera, I can see it up on the computer screen. Camera's

looking it. Basically stopped back in two thousand and five, after the Center

of Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC came out with a report and said that the smokers decreased from twenty percent in two thousand and five to twenty twenty.

So that's the only reason why they haven't been installing them anymore. Become

popular I think two thousand and five, right around when I stopped smoking.

So that's interesting. So the popularity just went down, which is right.

So here's the thing. So Nathaniel and I, if you guys remember because

I'm you know that we're getting close to the end of show. We had

a debate a couple of shows ago about technology and cars. Right, So,

as I'm researching just a real quick BMW Porsche Ford Ferrari and Audi still put cigarette trays and lighters in their cars to today. Interesting, Yeah,

I didn't know that. Here it is, so the debate back to it,

the debate that we had the number one advance in cars that has been done advances in cars right now that they say that they would do. Of

all the stuff that they've been designing cars over all the years and all the advancements, they were asked, well, it's the one thing that you would undo that was an advancement in a car. And this goes back to the

Thanelonize debate, and he guess, Cameron, I think you already know the answer. You might have heard us talking about it, not really to upbreaking.

So no, so you would think of all the stuff they added cars, the one thing they regret putting in the cars touchscreens. It's the one

thing that going to hate that they would like to undo of advancements they did to cars. But I feel like, I feel like that's just the reason

because it's so new that of course, of course it's going to get hated on, right because it's the odd man out. Now, I got you,

But remember that, Uh, one of the conversations we had, I think it was that last episode and stuff like that is two episodes two episodes ago. Is now they're looking to reverse it. They're actually talking about taking

touch screens on the cars and if you, as a manufacturer, if you decide to leave a touch screen in the car, your car will be safety rated differently if it has a touchscreen in it, which is interesting. I

just of all the advancements, all the things we've done to cars, the one thing we come down to that they regret. I mean, I can

tell you a lot of things we probably ought to regret. But refering to

the show for two weeks ago, if you guys want to check it out Safety First, it's on any podcast site to say play Safety First by Let's Talk Cars Radio. Yes. So, I just like I said, I

find it interesting that we keep on introducing things cars and now we're to actually think about reducing things from cars. And it'll be curious to see how that

safety rating really truly affects cars. If they decide to go ahead and do

that, I think that's one of the biggest stories of the year, if they decide to go out that we've talked about, because so many cars have huge entertainment centers in them, now. So for them to start taking that

away, that's going to be a huge hurdle to figure out how they're going to navigate that. I wait to see how that pans out. And that

note, guys, we got to go ahead and get out of here.

It is the end of our show. It has gone by very quickly.

Enjoy your Saturday. Hope you guys are out to a car show and joining

yourself. If not, watch the schedules. Make sure you guys pay attention

and jump online in your city and find out we're adding the local car shows.

Take your kids, they will love going to car shows. If not,

Sundays right around the corner, make sure you unplug, spend some time with kids. Fire up the barbecue, hid their cell phones. Whatever you

gotta do, but spend some time with it. You guys got anything before

we get out of here. Enjoy your guys weekend, and thank you again

to Musting Club of Tide Water for then bite last week. We had really

fun. We had a blast you guys. If you guys want us to

show up, all you got to do is ask. We're gonna get out

of here. See you guys next week.

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