The Fast Track to Innovation with Loras College's Racing Club and a look at the new Dodge Charger!
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Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast, the 30 minute mini version of the In Wheel Time car show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11am, central.
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It's the In Wheel Time car talk show.
Just ahead, the boys from Loris College Racing Club.
All right, oh, it's going to be fun.
You'll hear my thoughts on a week with the 2024 Dodge Challenger Super B and Conrad's got the, I guess, a continuation, but we're going to figure out whether he's going to talk about more stuff to do with cruise ins and car shows.
We'll get it under control.
It's all ahead on this episode of the In Wheel Time car talk show.
Howdy Along with Mike out of this world, mars, who's outside right now, even Conrad DeLong.
We always need more.
Jeff Zeekin, I'm Dom Armstrong and we are so glad that you could join us today.
Now let us switch up to Iowa and talk to the boys from Loris College, the racing team outside of Dubuque, iowa.
Howdy fellas, how you doing.
Oh, I'm sorry, I pushed the button.
Okay, now talk to me.
Oh, doing good.
Thanks for having us, you have to introduce yourselves.
I got JJ, cam, jacob and Jake.
Yes, so I'm a.
I'm JJ Ware, president of Doohawk Racing, and I'm a senior here at Loris College.
JJ.
So what are you majoring in?
What are you going to get your degree in Mechanical engineering?
Very nice, I like that and I guess you do too, and are you?
Are you hopefully going to get yourself a job as some sort of a mechanical engineer somewhere?
The goals of sticking motorsport.
Always been a fan of motorsport, so looking, indycar, wise, imsa, even some stuff across the pond, so keeping my eyes peeled, everything.
But that's, that's the goals right now.
Do you have your resume ready to go?
Oh yeah, resumes, cover letter, all of them.
We're, we're grinding that out.
Okay, well, continue watching the show.
We're going to have Antron Brown.
I was just about to say that, yeah, antron you into drag racing.
A little bit.
Not as much big, more very big in IndyCar and the IMSA side a little bit less on drag racing, but I am familiar.
Okay, that's good to know.
So which one is Cam?
That would be me.
Hi, cam, good morning to you.
It's good to good to see you guys.
So you're originally from Illinois.
Yes, I am, that's correct.
Very nice.
And what is your major Girls?
Girls.
Pay no attention to Jeff, he's just kidding, but I hope you got you a nice girlfriend.
But so what do you?
What are you majoring in?
What are you how?
Where are you in your?
Oh, you're a fifth year senior.
Yes, I am a fifth year this year.
Yep.
And what are you?
What are you majoring in?
I'm also a mechanical engineering.
Gotcha Uh plan on attending graduate school to earn a master's degree in huh aerospace engineering.
Well, we know someone, yes.
Well, uh, my daughter works for a company and she has a degree.
She's an astrophysicist.
So she's right up y'all's alley and I hope she's watching this morning.
She's in Denver, but uh, okay, and you two are looking for a formula one race team to climb on board with.
Yes, that would be the ultimate goal to find a job working as an aerodynamicist with an F1 team.
There you go I can't even say that All the, all the turmoil and F1 going on right now and off season, you sure.
Yeah, when that drama comes up, it makes me question it a little bit there you go.
I'm ready to ride that wave.
So have you?
Have you reached out to any of them yet?
Yes, I have reached out to some teams.
Some of them offer certain summer internships that you're able to go over season work for a couple months.
I've done it the past couple of years and haven't made it past the application process super far, but I have made contacts with them and hope to keep that as I move forward.
Yeah Well, that's how my daughter got her job she kept that a couple of internships or her junior senior year, and by golly, they offered her a job when she graduated, so that there is hope for all of you guys.
Got her off of your payroll yeah.
Well, not really, jacob Westermeyer.
How are you today, this morning?
Good, how are?
you doing Very well, thank you, so you're in Iowa.
I don't even know how do you say somebody from Dubuque, a Dubuquean.
I think it's Dubuquean, dubuquean, yeah, yeah, I think it's Dubuque all my life, very good.
And I have to ask, and I'm going to ask you, how's the weather up there this morning?
Not great.
There's a bunch of plows going outside right now.
We just got hit by that big snowstorm coming through and I think we have about 20 inches in the last week that came down.
So we're uh, we're having fun in the snow.
So you're working in computer science?
Uh, capstone team, Is that right?
Yeah, yeah.
So on top of the engineering team, um, we also have a computer science team who's also kind of working on the Baja project, which should, uh, give us some pretty cool analytics on our car once it gets going.
Hmm, Okay, and then Jake Jake Bonnet.
Uh, you know relationship to Neil Bonnet, huh.
No no relationship?
Okay, well, I just you know.
Since you guys are on the racing team, I figured, well, you know, I got to ask that question.
Yep, Now, you're originally out of Chicago.
Huh yeah, South side, south side of Chicago.
Okay, I think there's a song about.
There is a song about Chicago.
It's about to sing it it's a good place to be from.
Yeah.
That's it.
So okay, fellas.
Uh, you have to figure out who's going to answer the question.
Tell us about the car that you guys are working on.
Uh, I can go to start here.
So the car itself is part of the.
It's competing in the Baja SAE competition.
So basically it's an off-road vehicle that is just come, fully built, designed, manufactured.
Everything that's on the vehicle and has been worked on or designed has been done by our actual group of students that we have at Laura's.
Back in my day we would have called that a dune buggy.
Yeah, and.
I'm sure you're familiar with the term Sand racer.
How, how different is it from the dune buggy of the 1960s?
Um, I would say that it is a lot less power.
You're using a uh 10 horsepower uh lawnmower engine and we're very what capped on power Can't really do too much with it.
So we have to look to save weight and and gain certain other areas using interesting transmissions like CVTs and stuff.
So it's not as close to like an old dune buggy per se.
It has a lot of the same features, being four open wheels, off-road style like that Um, but it's very low on power, um.
So it forces a lot of us in the engineering side to find some interesting and unique solutions to a lot of problems that uh come up during the manufacturing and and and stay skinny, yeah, and stay skinny while doing all this, yeah, so so have you ever seen like a Honda Odyssey vehicle?
I mean, that's kind of what it sounds like.
To me that's a single person vehicle, small engine.
Yeah, yeah, so single person rear engine.
Um, we're looking to probably hit around 30, 40 top speed, uh, miles per hour.
So it's not going to be again.
It's it's kind of hard to compare to a normal like on-road vehicle or other stuff you see in racing series, just because there are some regulations put forth by SAE that don't kind of cap sort of what we can do.
But yeah, it's for a basic sense it's very close to like that dune buggy that we were talking about in a design sense.
So how many entrants will be in that category?
Um, it kind of depends on what competition you're going to.
So our first competition the goal is to actually race here at the end of the month, on the 27th, up in Houghton, michigan, which should be very interesting with all that, oh my.
God, and they chose Houghton, michigan, for that, in the middle of winter, with snowmen.
We actually we're not even the farthest away.
We got a team from Georgia Tech driving all the way up.
Oh my gosh, they're not even gonna know what snow is, guys in Georgia don't have to drive in the snow.
No.
So this latest one is good.
So this one we're trying to get to right now is in Houghton, michigan.
It's gonna be a.
I believe we actually just had to move the venue.
It's usually at Michigan Tech's campus, but now I think it moved to a Trail slash ski resort up there that we're gonna be racing on now, just for different.
I think they had some issues with snow sake.
So that's where we're gonna be racing, and then I think there's During the race.
There's some obstacles and stuff in the track, a little jump stuff along those lines that you got a kind of maneuver While you're actually on track.
So is this a wheeled vehicle or is this going to be a tracked vehicle?
wheel, four wheels, four wheels, and what kind of suspension travel does it have?
I'll let Bonnet answer that one.
So we're for.
Well, for our suspension.
Were Hoping, so it has like a 13.
We have so like 13 wheel or like um, what's the word for it?
Right height?
Yeah, right, I got you.
And so we have Spring shock, so hopefully we'll be able to adjust that to kind of fit whatever track where I see.
So it's an adjustable suspension.
So depending on what kind of track surface you've got, how tight you make it.
Yeah, how tight you make it and new wheel travel and all that sort of stuff.
Because when I think of Baja kind of vehicles, I think obviously doing buddies and the way that they get across the track so Well is because of part of it, because of the traveling.
So is this a steel tube chassis vehicle or, if you guys, advanced all the way into carbon fiber tubs?
The chassis.
First vehicle will be steel too.
We haven't made that jump yet to any other synthetic materials.
Hey, you're going to F1.
You got to get carbon fiber, you know exactly might be a little bit out of the budget right now for the team to be fair, but we have talked about it.
Would be a dream at some point.
Okay, so let's talk.
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Let's talk about the, the Tim horsepower engine.
What kind of an engine is it?
Is it an out-of-the-box 10 horsepower like a Briggs and Stratton or something?
Yes, so the engine we are going to be using for the competition is technically the Old generation engine that was supplied by SAE, so it's basically a 10 horsepower Vanguard, briggs and Stratton engine.
The modern engine that is required for all of the End of the year SAE official competitions is going to be a Kohler engine, which is very similar horsepower, same exact mounting pattern.
So nothing really changes on that front.
It's just a different engine supplier at that point.
But we are capped at 3,800 RPMs so we can't do anything along those lines.
We can't read again like coming from a carding backer and I thought Rebuild, rebuild the engine, you know, crack it open, do whatever we can to sort of optimize the power coming out of it.
Nothing like that's allowed.
So, um, we have to find ways to get gains in other areas, which is like One of the big things we had to figure out was which transmission we're using, and especially going with a CVT style.
It's gonna be something that allows us to get different gear ratios to hopefully Keep good low-end but also have that nice high-end top speed as well.
So it's basically a series crate engine?
Yes, and you're not allowed to tune the exhaust system or the intake systems either nice, it can't.
Crack, it can't shave the head, not in along those lines no oh, wow, see, yeah, well, when I was, when I was fine-tuning my Briggs and Stratton to horsepower, I Did.
What I did is I got dad's big file out, turn the head over and I just carefully shaved the head.
Yeah, yeah, it got a little bit more compression out of it.
No, I just got a piece of piece of twine that was about two feet long and I just pull on the governor.
Well, there's that, so you know.
If you want to know about cheating, just ask any of us, because we know how to do that.
Revenge racing yeah, so, okay.
So is it just a one-day racing event up there?
Yeah, so the whole one's gonna be a one-day event.
Um, we're gonna probably head up the day before just because we're worried about weather and I guess that snow Especially up there in the UP.
So it'll be, we'll head up there, end up racing the one day.
We'll have some preliminary events take place in the morning and then the four-hour endurance race.
I believe start said either 12 or 12 30 if I'm not mistaken, and then that'll go till about four o'clock which is when the Sun goes down.
Yeah, yeah, yes, exactly yes.
So is it wheel to wheel racing or time distance?
Wheel to wheel, so you'll get a staggered start.
It won't be a full like grid start.
You'll get a staggered start out the pits.
So, based on where you've qualified in the preliminary events, you'll get a released and there's like a minute gap or whatever, and then your times are still taken using just normal transponder stuff set up.
But from there it's gonna be.
You're actually wheel-to-wheel racing on the same track.
What kind of tires are?
you gonna use Round?
we actually we got some tires we can't use studded.
We looked at it, we cannot use studded, so we we actually worked out, we bought some tires off UW-Platteville and we're gonna be using those there, some razor tires, so very much just ATV component tires at that point, using a lot of Polaris stuff.
So are you allowed, are you allowed to cut?
Cut the tread.
I do.
I believe so based on the tire.
It depends on the tire.
There's certain regulations regarding, like, what you're allowed to mess with on that one Cause you gotta remember these are engineers, so they're going to know all the little details and all the numbers about paddle tire, where they do these swamp buggies with that.
With that work as well, you're in snow.
I mean, you're moving out, you're moving.
Well, they can't have studded tires.
So imagine the paddle, paddle tires.
Well, it's just not.
So that's why I was asking if they allowed to cut the treads, to cut the pad by the way, my brother graduated from a UW, Platt Phil.
I just wanted to throw that in there.
There you go, there you go, go, platt yeah.
Those are some.
Those are some good friends to us, especially as we were again brand new, so they've really kind of helped guide us whenever we got questions.
It's very nice to read.
That's what else was constantites.
Do we?
We help.
We help our Iowa and friends along.
What's the mascot at Platt?
I have no clue yeah, plattapus.
He's a Packers fan Well yeah, well, that's good.
How do you know that?
It's on the background, it's on the hideous angle.
Oh, I see, okay, well, I can't see that.
Well, well, you're a clean brothers, and Packers.
Well, we had the young lady.
She was flying so who's the driver here?
So as we start going, I'll probably drive a good amount of it being the only one to actually have racing, actually have like race competitively before.
But the goal is to get everyone educated, get everyone in the car, Make sure that we all can get some seat time and understand, you know, put some have some fun with what we've actually taken all this time to build and develop.
Do you all like each other Most of the time?
That's what I wanted to hear.
So, when you come to this race, this first race that you got coming up.
It's a one day race Do you?
Is there an opportunity for all of you to make some passes or take some laps during that day?
Yeah, so okay.
The way the endurance race is really set up and how brutal the tracks are.
It's usually expected you're going to pit both for fuel.
We only have like a gallon fuel tank, so we're going to have to pit for fuel, no matter what.
Then, on top of that, just stuff breaks.
It's a.
It's a brutal track.
We're expected to get airtime, so we're expecting to pit and we'll have.
We'll have enough equipment where we can kind of switch out on those pits, so Okay.
So have you already figured out how to use a reserve fuel tank in the tube Chasse?
Yeah, sorry, I'm, I'm uh you're trying to.
you're trying to lead them down the cheating path.
Yeah, or fill the tubes with helium to make it a little lighter.
Let me ask you this Do you guys have an instructor up there that's kind of overseeing this project, or you just guys are on your own?
Yeah, so we have a one of our professors in engineering class.
Uh, his name is a professor Joy he uh, he's done a lot to help us get started, a lot of help with the grant writing and sort of giving his expertise.
He, uh, he did the formula SAE team when they were when he was at school at Iowa State.
So getting a lot of uh background on that front is really helpful to us.
That's good, and does he join you every time that you're in the shop working on the car?
Uh no, that's he's.
He's hands off on that front.
That's all.
That's all myself.
Uh, westermeyer, cam Bonnet and then some of our underclassmen are helping us as well.
That's all us in there.
How fun.
Man, I'd love that.
So where is the shop?
Is it on campus?
Actually it's actually, uh, we're a little tight on space.
It's in the basement of one of our residence halls on campus.
It's a double wide garage door, I think about 300 square feet, um, and we're, we're pretty packed in there.
We built all our own tables, um, for storage, we were using old filing cabinets for a while.
We finally got a nice purple do hawk branded uh uh cabinets put all our tools in.
But we're, uh, we're building from the ground up here, so we're starting small.
There's gotta be a keg in there somewhere.
It's.
It's in the back of the cabinet.
So so Jeff Heisman is the one that hooked us up with these guys, and he wanted us to ask what a do hawk is.
I believe it originally started as a Dubuque hawk.
Um yeah, I don't know.
That's a good question.
There's a question to answer, ask it's gonna be on the test.
The name was tied to the athletic department.
From what I've understood from the story that there used to be a different School in our conference co-college, also in Iowa, that they were the Hawks and we were also the Loris Hawks and when we joined both the same conference and the American Rivers conference they decided that both had to change their names.
So we became the do Hawks for Dubuque Hawks and they became the co-hawks.
Okay, and what will?
What was?
What will this vehicle way without driver?
Leave.
The chassis itself currently comes in around 6570 pounds, when engines in it and everything else looking to keep it around like that 125, 150 mark it's gonna be able to get it out of the base doing 40 miles an hour.
So what's the wheelbase?
What was?
So the max we could have is 62 62 inch wheelbase.
So in other words it's it's bigger than a go-kart, but smaller than a quadriner.
Yeah, but smaller than a quadriner, that's.
We gotta be able to get it out the basement door.
Well, I understand I'd be able to do that.
I would imagine, but I can, I I'm trying to envision it in my mind and I'm thinking okay, well, the suspension travel doesn't keep it up off the ground very much, and so it'd be like a kind of a tall go-kart.
Mm-hmm, and then you're the one that you're prepping for now is a snow race.
Will there also be a plow on the front of it?
No, I was thinking of like a Baja, and a sand street, whatever.
Yeah, a high-temperature race as well.
So a lot of that does depend on where the location of the actual competition is being held.
So this one we're trying to go to is actually a non-official SAE event.
The actual official SAE events, for example, at the end of this year, one of them taking place in California which we look to try to go to, but that's southern California, where we have a completely different set of Conditions that we had to worry about with doing with sand, more of a gravelly surface, a lot of heat, so we got to worry about cooling and stuff this one.
If.
If we overheat something on our car at this one, I will be very surprised.
Yeah, I assume that this 10 horsepower engine is air-cooled.
Yes yes, okay and the and the color is as well.
Yeah, okay, by the way, that color is made in Wisconsin.
Oh, oh, there you go.
Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Don is our Wisconsin expert.
Yes, my grandmother because nobody else wants to be my grandmother was an island.
There you go, and don't drive through the yellow snow, all right.
Well, it's time to go.
But, gentlemen, it's a great pleasure to talk to you.
The best of luck.
Hey, please keep us posted now.
Yeah, and touch with us.
How do we follow you when you're at the race?
We do some social media out on Instagram, just at do hawk racing.
You can find us through loris college as well.
I'm sure we'll get some articles and stuff posted out there, and also look for loris college posts on Facebook, linkedin, everything like that, and We'll be.
We'll be able to keep people updated that way.
And now that they've been on the show, We'll cut out for the summer.
If we want to get back with you, we need to do it before the summer break.
Yes, so we'll be, we leave.
We actually we've been in class already, have had a nice like two-day week with all the snow days, but we get out of class before the end of April, I believe, because I believe may is fully off.
Wow, yes, we, we had some weird changes with our schedule this year, so I could be off on that but I believe that's how it will.
If nothing else will, let Jeff.
Highsman, keep up with you.
Oh okay, gentlemen, it's time for us to run.
But thank you so much for joining us today.
Best of luck, and we'll be cheering you on.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, fellas, thank you fellas cam Jacob.
Jake and JJ, the do hawk racing boys.
All right, very cool time now for this hour's car review.
I Got to drive the 2023 Dodge charger you.
Now it comes in these trim levels.
I thought you said escalate before the show Did I say escalate, yes, escalade.
Remember you went through that hole.
Well, it's not going to be that I was following.
Marge.
This is Don, this is Don.
I know, this is my comment.
I just want to know who's going to be Mike and who's going to be Don.
Well, see, you know that.
Well, here's the push.
See, here's the deal.
See what happened here.
See what happened there.
I scratched out the escalate and put the charger.
What happened is and I'll be honest with you, we took a week off.
We did and to work on the studio while you were listening to like the new design, like one of our you know award-winning best of shows, and so I now have an extra car in the garage to review Gotcha.
Okay, so escalate was going to is going to have to be next week.
See, we're not going to use that.
What's Don driving yeah.
So what, yeah, what's?
Don driving this week, is you're not going to have pictures of it?
So I'm going to mark through this and not feel so bad.
Wait, wait, wait.
Oh yeah, now we're still going to pick on you, I got it.
I got an email.
You, sir, you, sir, we're going to still make you feel bad.
This is all your fault, because you started this rubbing off.
It is.
So I'm now reviewing and you're going to have to watch me.
Instead of that, the dream of the car.
But you already know this car, the 2023 Dodge Charger, comes in these trim levels and there's a picture of it right there the S X T, the S X T the GT, the RT, the scat pack, the SRT Hellcat wide body and I had the super B special edition.
This is a large four door sedan that's been around for 10, 10, count them 10 years, 10.
How many people?
Five is what it holds, including the driver.
Exterior changes from last model year.
Well, the last major update was in 2011.
So it's.
I read that I thought really, they've hung on to this thing since 2011.
With that Now they've changed the front and rear bumpers and spoilers and stuff like that, but it's the same body.
They got a couple of models.
They've done that with they selling, so why fix it?
bingo.
That's it.
Put that big horsepower stuff in it and you're good to go.
Now I do want to read you the options on this.
I made a note to myself to read you the options.
The super B special edition has super B Napa, alcantara seats, super B exterior graphics that are done nicely actually they're kind of a fade away kind of thing Super single scoop.
Srt hood with air intake, black hood pin kit from Mopar.
Drag mode suspension has big drag radial tires on it.
I think that you saw those last one I had very nice.
They're 20 inches.
Ventilated front seats, power front driver and passenger seats, two way power lumbar, adjustable passenger seat, memory for radio driver seat, an exterior mirrors, satin black Dodge tail lamp badge, black charger, exhaust tips and adaptive damping suspension.
Okay, it's got all that.
Exterior features aggressive, well proportion nose with modern styling.
Even in the base model, hockey stick shaped side creases add to its cool look.
Rear spoiler with faux brake vents on the lower quarter panels what I liked?
The subtle super B graphics.
What could use improvement?
Nothing.
If you want to get one, get the wide body kit to go with it.
Interior highlights high bolstered seats.
Hug your body like you want to be hugged.
Somewhat dated dash, but still has the big infotainment screen in it.
Passive phone cubby, not wide enough to handle my galaxy note phone.
Easy to use.
Climate controls, little old school, but no confusion here.
Cargo trunk room big but with a small opening, a small small lid.
What I liked?
The big American sedan for the 21st Century.
A diggin 6.4
liter, let me V8, 485 horsepower, 475 pound-feet of torque, which is more than enough, trust me.
Transmission 8-speed automatic Gets 15 in the city, 24 on the highway.
For combined at 18 miles per gallon, I got 19.5
over 286.5
miles.
What I liked about it?
The power Improvement.
Well, no more is needed unless you are a staggered.
No six-speed manual is available anymore.
The car is not available anymore.
What I liked about it smooth riding, if you want it to be.
What could use improvement?
It doesn't make any difference.
It feels heavy and it is Two tons worth.
Base trim price $50,330.
Price is tested $63,985.
Base model price with the V6 in it starts at $332.
For a big sedan, that's a bargain.
Friends.
Competitors Acura TLX for $45,000.
Kia Stinger $36,690.
And the Tesla Model 3, $40,240.
And that's my review of the not Cadillac Escalade, but the Dodge Charger Super B.
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About this episode
Loras College's Racing Club joins the podcast to discuss their Baja SAE project, an off-road vehicle designed and built entirely by students. The team shares insights into their engineering challenges, including using a 10-horsepower Briggs and Stratton engine and navigating competition regulations. The conversation also touches on their aspirations in motorsport and the camaraderie within the team. Additionally, the hosts review the 2023 Dodge Charger Super B, highlighting its features, performance, and pricing, while reflecting on its long-standing presence in the market.
Original notes
Feel the pulse of innovation and ambition as we gear up with the Loras College Racing Club team, a dynamic group of students whose dreams revolve around the revving engines and the checkered flags of motorsport. Today, JJ, Cam, Jacob, and Jake take us on a thrilling ride through their educational pursuits, from the classrooms of mechanical engineering and computer science right onto the gritty tracks of the Baja SAE project. They candidly share the exhilaration of blending theoretical knowledge with the grease and glory of hands-on vehicle design, and their collective gaze is fixed on the ultimate prize: shaping the future of racing, from IndyCar to the aerodynamic marvels of Formula One.
Switching gears, we navigate the challenges and strategy of collegiate racing, particularly in the snow-dusted landscapes of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Our conversation drifts through the importance of selecting the perfect tire tread for the upcoming one-day racing event, and the innovative engineering that keeps their Baja vehicles in prime condition amidst fierce competition. The Duhawks, as they're fondly known, open up about the camaraderie that fuels their team spirit, the mentorship of Professor Joy, and the ingenious tweaks that give them an edge on the track. If you're a racing aficionado or just love a story of teamwork and determination, buckle up and join us for a deep dive into the fast-paced world of the Loras College Racing Club.
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