The Future of Diesel is at Risk - All Truck Owners Must Do This!!!
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Term
EPA
The EPA is a government agency that makes rules to protect the environment. When they change their rules, it can affect how trucks and cars are allowed to operate, especially in terms of pollution.
Term
DEF
DEF is a special fluid used in diesel trucks to help clean up the exhaust and make it less harmful to the environment. It's important for keeping the truck running well and meeting pollution rules.
Term
LBZ
LBZ is a type of diesel engine made by GM, often found in their trucks. It's recognized for being strong and dependable.
Term
LMM
LMM is a different version of the same diesel engine made by GM, designed to be more environmentally friendly with added controls for emissions.
Term
emission system
An emission system helps keep the air clean by reducing the pollution that comes out of a car's exhaust. It includes parts that make sure the car doesn't release too many harmful gases into the environment.
Company
PPI
PPI is a company that makes parts and products to help improve cars. They focus on making cars perform better or look different from how they originally came from the factory.
Concept
aftermarket
The aftermarket is where you can find parts and accessories for cars that are made by companies other than the car's original maker. This includes things like custom parts and upgrades to improve performance or appearance.
Term
tailpipe emissions
Tailpipe emissions are the gases and pollutants that come out of a car's exhaust pipe when it runs. There are rules about how much pollution cars can produce to help protect the environment.
Term
SEMA
SEMA is a group that helps companies that make car parts and accessories. They work to make sure these products meet legal standards and help protect the interests of those companies.
Term
after treatment system
An after treatment system helps clean up the exhaust gases from the engine before they go into the air. It makes sure that fewer harmful chemicals are released.
Term
DPF
A DPF is a filter in diesel engines that catches tiny particles from the exhaust to keep the air cleaner. Sometimes it needs to be cleaned out to work properly.
Term
diesels
Diesels are cars that run on a special type of fuel called diesel. They are often more efficient and powerful than regular gasoline cars, especially for heavy work or racing.
Term
EVs
EVs are cars that run on electricity instead of gas or diesel. They are good for the environment because they don't produce exhaust fumes.
Company
Holley
Holley is a company that makes parts for cars, especially for improving engine performance. They are famous for their carburetors, which help mix fuel and air for combustion.
Term
diesel fuel
Diesel fuel is a special kind of fuel used in diesel engines, which are different from regular gasoline engines. It helps the engine run efficiently, but if not used properly, it can cause problems and expensive repairs.
Term
lubricity
Lubricity is how well a fuel can help parts of an engine slide past each other without causing damage. It's important for keeping the engine running smoothly and preventing expensive repairs.
Company
Hot Shot's Secret
Hot Shot's Secret is a brand that makes special products to help diesel engines run better and last longer.
Term
C-tane
C-tane is like a score for diesel fuel that shows how well it will burn in an engine. Higher numbers mean it will work better.
Car
Lucid Air
The Lucid Air is a fancy electric car that can go really far on a single charge, making it a strong competitor to other high-end electric cars. It's known for its high-tech features and roomy inside, showing how electric cars can be both luxurious and practical.
Part
fast fuel systems
Fast fuel systems are parts that help clean and deliver fuel to diesel engines better. They make sure the fuel is free of dirt and water, which helps the engine run smoothly.
Term
micron
A micron is a tiny measurement used to describe how small something is. In cars, it tells you how small the dirt or debris is that a fuel filter can catch. The smaller the number, the smaller the particles it can filter out.
Term
eight speed automatic
An eight-speed automatic is a system in cars that shifts gears for you, making driving easier and often helping the car use less fuel. It has more gears than older cars, which can make it drive better.
Car
Super Duty
Super Duty trucks from Ford are big, strong vehicles made for heavy work, like towing trailers or carrying heavy loads. They're popular for both jobs and fun activities like camping.
Term
seven three
The 'seven three' is a nickname for a big diesel engine used in Ford trucks. It's known for being very tough and lasting a long time, which makes it popular among truck owners.
Term
five nine
The 'five nine' is a nickname for a powerful diesel engine used in Dodge trucks. It's known for being very reliable and good for towing heavy loads.
Car
Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that has its engine in the middle, which helps it handle really well on the road. It's popular because it combines luxury and fun driving, and many people love how it looks and performs.
Term
ECU
The ECU is like the brain of the car's engine. It helps the engine run smoothly by controlling how much fuel and air it gets.
Term
displacement
Displacement is how much space the engine's cylinders take up. Bigger numbers usually mean the engine can produce more power because it can use more fuel and air.
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Welcome to the Diesel Podcast presented by DFC Diesel.
How you been, Corey?
Man, what's happening?
Living the dream. I've been looking forward to chatting with you today.
It's been a little bit since we did an episode.
And since then, there's been a lot of changes with the EPA
and their guidelines as far as derating trucks with DEF issues.
The Troy Lake pardon.
The DOJ saying they're not going to pursue criminal charges.
I think Lee Selden had a statement the other day about
working at Trump's speed to analyze challenges that are in the diesel market.
So it ought to be great to catch up with you, get your thoughts.
You're heavily involved in this, leading the charge with it.
And I kind of threw a lot at you right there.
But what are your thoughts on all this?
Oh, no, it's great, man. I'm glad to talk with you again.
It's always a good time.
And yeah, I mean, this administration's moving fast.
I mean, there's a lot of folks say nothing happens,
but I mean, we're seeing stuff happen.
I think the speed at which things happen, we all wish would be faster,
but the reality is like, holy crap, we're getting stuff done.
We didn't know that, like, whatever happened, right?
Like, people's getting their criminal stuff just dismissed in the middle.
Like, while they're about to believe that's, that's different.
Something changed.
Yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been really shocking to see it from where it was
in the past and now, and I think people get really hopeful and we see that with
feedback from listeners, diesel enthusiasts, content creators.
How, like, would you temper any of this excitement?
Would you, what would be your message to people?
And the reason I asked that is because when that DOJ announcement came out,
there were a bunch of videos, a bunch of lives and posts about deletes are legal now.
Go ahead and do it.
Don't worry about it and actually read the DOJ announcement.
You see, that's not true, but you're like the foremost authority on this.
So what, how should we, how should we view this?
How did that even happen?
I don't even know.
I guess if you're, I guess if you're in deep for 10 years screaming about it,
whatever they're telling you to be quiet, you just end up there.
It's, it's, it's a, we've got a good team working on with all of us.
But I mean, people are really excited because they're seeing forward progress,
but there's a lot of mixed messaging out there and everyone thinks like it's the
Wild Wild West now.
Like, hey, they, they got rid of DEF.
That is not like at all even kind of sort of what happened.
It's a, it's, it's, and it's not even applicable to like our trucks, right?
Agriculture equipment.
So there's, there's a way.
I think that it was a lot of it was probably over the John Deere lawsuit.
So basically I'm going to butcher this, but long story short, John Deere is basically
saying that we're not going to give these functions to end users because then we can
end up being held accountable for temporary overrides or what they do with our software
where the EPA comes back and says, yeah, but we told you, like, you've got to,
they've got a right to repair.
See me and put it out there.
Well, they have the same concern, you know, speaking from a high level.
I imagine they have the same concern.
Most everybody else, including a lot of manufacturers would have, which is like,
okay, but what happens when another administration comes back in?
Are we going to be held accountable for these temporary overrides?
And to, to, to also state too, like that is not DEF removal.
The temporary override in one capacity is a 36 hour override, right?
So you can actually finish whatever job hopefully you're working on and then go
pay to get the emission system repaired because it's a temporary override as long
as you go back to the original manufacturer equipment.
So they expect you to repair the DEF.
Lee Zeldin on his post, they were pretty clear that it's going to take you,
they're working on new rulemaking and that they're working on new rulemaking
and that also they're looking to make this permanent.
So a lot of folks say, well, are you talking about get rid of the DEF permanently
or make the D rates going permanently?
I would be surprised if we seen anything regarding like emissions remove or anything
like that, like in the next year, like that would be awesome.
But I think it's a process and they're going to keep having to chip away at it.
I can, I do know firsthand that this administration recognizes that it's a major issue.
An example of that would be like an LBZ versus an LMM.
I love this example and I've talked to a bunch of my friends about it because you've got basically the same engine.
You know, those are not that much different.
I made a post online to test the actual difference between a LMM with after treatment on it right now.
That's got a bunch of miles on it versus an LBZ with a bunch of miles on it.
What's the actual output?
And what surprised me with the post that I was trying to get trucks to do the data on was I couldn't find any LMMs that were still running.
There's a ton of LBZs and a ton of people offering me that, but there was no LMMs running.
And the ones that were, I couldn't test them because they don't have emissions anymore.
So it's like, hold on, we've got two of the same engines.
One of them didn't live as long and it's not even hardly available.
And the cost of ownership from an LMM to an LBZ, by the time you factor in the fuel penalty, the maintenance cost, you know, if we're getting to 20 years, half a million miles,
that's over a $30,000 additional cost to own the LMM over the LBZ when it's the same engine.
That's wild.
And this administration really does get that.
They've spoke to tons of people all over the place.
Myself and some others had the privilege of speaking with some of the admin direct.
And what we were telling them wasn't new information.
It was like, wow, we're hearing this everywhere.
So just during region, I mean, I got to jump off on a wagon, but you know, just vehicles in region in America cost over $16 billion additional cost annually in fuel.
Wow.
16, not the fuel penalty of having emissions in general are just during region.
Excuse me.
Yeah, it's absolutely insane.
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I think the most, I'm not really trying to be a negative Nancy.
I'm really not.
But the biggest like hope that I had was just like what you mentioned there with the feedback and the interest from the executive branch,
understanding how this impacts business individuals, the economy, which is so different than it probably has ever been in the history of emissions and politics.
But I really don't get excited about the D rate.
I don't even get excited about the pardons.
I don't get excited about not doing criminal charges because ultimately on the political or bureaucrat side,
somebody can say this is now a felony and people's lives got ruined and I've had them on the podcast.
And I take that really seriously because I can sense the pain in their voice, how they lost their business.
They lost employees, some of them went through divorces from it.
So I look at it from that perspective, but then it's like I'm hopeful in a sense that the last year and moving forward, they can undo that.
But in the back of my mind, I know there's election coming up in three years.
We don't know what's going to happen or the one after that.
And if it's so easy to just say, that's a felony, it's not a felony, it's not a felony.
What do you do as a business owner to make tuning?
What does 4GM or RAM do to make trucks that we can buy that either have this or don't have this?
What does the aftermarket do?
And you're one of the few people that I've heard talk about in this space about the legislative process so that just can't be changed on a whim or depending who's in power, depending how the bureaucrat feels that day.
Can you talk a bit about the legislative part to actually make this something where it's not a guideline or a rule?
It doesn't change based on who's in power.
It's actually a law.
Right. I think one of the biggest things is, and I think this administration recognizes it.
The EPA measures these vehicles and missions output by what's considered useful life.
Useful life can be 10 years or 150,000 miles or whichever one comes first.
So these are considered half a million mile engines.
What the EPA is considered of is actually the useful life of the emission system.
Well, this doesn't factor in the fuel penalty of having the emission system.
It doesn't factor in the fact that the engine should go half a million miles.
So whenever NASA, whenever they're doing an emissions impact on, you know, if we build this new rocket type and we lower the emissions output on that rocket 2%, then that's worth it.
They can't do that because they have to measure what's LCA.
It's cradle to the grave.
So they can't just say, well, this new rocket we built has 2% less emissions per flight.
They have to actually factor in, oh crap, yeah, we're going to save 2% emissions per flight, but it took us a 2000% increase in emissions to build that rocket.
So on the vehicle front, useful life is just wrong.
It's inaccurate.
It's not realistic to the real world at all.
What's realistic is we measure what the extra emissions output is from having after treatment for the whole time that this vehicle or engine should be running.
If we have an emissions system that's considered used at 150,000 miles, then we have to first ask, well, why is the emission system used?
You know, you hear some of them will go longer than that, right?
We have to also consider that the engine itself is degrading itself down.
So we're getting a dirtier engine.
Things are getting a little bit looser.
It's just how things go, right?
Anyone that's ever had a motor nose, the older the motor gets, the dirtier it'll generally get over time.
So the government never factored in that at 150,000 miles, if you're lucky and get there, that you're going to have to put another emission system on it.
But you're putting a new emission system on an engine that's already degraded.
That emission system's life isn't going to be another 150,000 miles.
And we still got, we need to go to 500,000.
So what's the fuel penalty of the rare earth materials that are in there?
The shipping of rare earth materials, the fuel penalty, the shipping of the extra fuel that it takes to run these systems.
This has to be measured globally, because if we just look at useful life, that's, that's cute.
I don't know who came up with that, but that's super cute.
This needs to be measured with common sense, just as anything else is actually measured.
And that's the reality of how long that vehicle is on the road and alive.
The way it's done right now, the way the government sees it is, well, we quit measuring it 150,000 miles.
So does the vehicle just get stomped?
Does it die at 150,000?
No.
So would the Clean Air Act look different?
If you, if the term useful life was, was changed, could it be as simple as that?
I don't know, but it's something that the administration's taken into consideration because it's common freaking sense, right?
So that's just like one angle that the things can go.
Another thing too is a lot of, I like to get to the root of problems.
So it's like, how did this happen?
Right.
How did we end up with after treatment on the vehicles?
Where did the ethanol content come from?
Why did we go to, you know, what's up with the low sulfur diesel, et cetera?
And you put the big white tinfoil hat on and you find out that most of this science comes from these crazy globalist organizations that are weaponized.
So, I mean, we could discuss COVID, right?
How accurate was that coming back these many years?
The mask stuff, like it is what it is.
It's just wrong.
Three or four weeks ago, Trump just defunded a group.
He defunded 66 organizations and one of them was the IPCC.
The IPCC is heavily responsible for the science and pushing this nonsense of climate change, which is a get rich scheme.
Pushing this stuff and it rolls to the WEF and then it rolls to CARB.
And then CARB has had rain over the other 49 states for, you know, quite a while now.
We've seen the Trump administration absolutely hammer CARB to a point that you're seeing RAM now come out with vehicles that can't be sold into a CARB state.
That's huge.
That's massive.
So how to make it get fixed whenever a new administration comes in is you have to cut the root at the very bottom, in my opinion.
So CARB is a major weapon that's used by the globalist organizations to wreak havoc on America.
That's my opinion.
And then the WEF, IPCC, all these things.
That is where it came from.
I mean, Mike Benz just last night was on Rogan last night before talking about how ethanol content basically came into America.
And if someone had told me George Soros had something to do with that, I'd be like, what, even in the ethanol content?
Yeah, actually, yeah, over climate change.
So I think as you see the administration cutting off these weird organizations where that's where this crap come from.
All the science, all the fear, all the nonsense, it comes from realistically those globalist organizations outside of America.
And that's to the point of, you know, the elections even being funny, right?
Like America didn't necessarily rig itself.
America got rigged from the outside and then a lot of people on the inside made money from it.
They come from outside sources.
So I think if the administration can keep going after the nonsense, then things have to make more sense because it's not subsidized otherwise.
The only way that things that don't make sense can continue to prevail in my opinion is if it's subsidized.
Because if something doesn't work, then the only way that it's going to work is if you're forced to do it or it's subsidized.
And generally what happens is someone subsidized forces you to do it.
So as long as we can stay going that same route, then I think you're going to see a lot of nonsense get fixed.
You know, we would have never thought in a million years we would see the food pyramid recently get like flipped upside down.
And we just seen that.
You know, who would have ever thought that a vaccine schedule would change?
Like crazy stuff's happening.
I mean, Stu knows way more than me on this topic.
He did so good on your last podcast.
If anybody hasn't heard it, go back and listen to Stuart Cable.
He's freaking awesome.
But I think there's a pathway there, but it's totally not the traditional method.
It'll be awesome if we could get like the diesel liberation act that sent the Cynthia.
Is it Loomis?
Oh, I hate to put you.
And then Dan Scullivan, they got behind it.
So those things are cool.
I think it's a hell of a P awesome, but it's a little bit for stretch.
I think.
And to me is to keep going after the roots of the problem because if we if we can get rid of the subsidy and the things that don't make sense, then things that do make sense should be forced to the frontline.
I think that helps.
It helps me and then people who are listening or watching this understand how this really works.
And it's not as simple as a guideline changes and it's the Wild West or the process.
It has to go through it, but then my mind immediately kind of changes gears.
And I think I'm talking to Corey Willis, founder of PPI, a lot of other businesses.
You're highly involved in the aftermarket.
What does the aftermarket do?
Like how do you how do you approach it?
Because like you mentioned, like what happens in three years or four years or eight years?
Like how do you base you can't base your business on like a three year period, right?
You have to think long term.
So how does the diesel aftermarket accommodate to a friendly administration right now?
But the unknown of could this all change in four years?
Could it go back to the way it was?
Yeah, I mean, someone asked me yesterday, they wanted to open up a diesel performance shop.
It was a younger guy.
And I was like, it's not time to do it.
And I was like, and I hate to tell you that, but it's not the time to do it.
The federal, the whole, everything needs to change.
Everything needs to change.
SEMA is doing such a good job.
I can't, you know, I was a little unhappy with SEMA, you know, a few years ago, but I can say right now they are rocking it.
They've got some new folks that are awesome.
And working with them right now in the federal testing, you know, I've explained all my carb problems.
I've been a full oversight here, but, you know, working with them, I mean, we're going to have all this done in a quarter of the time that I was stuck at carb while passing, passing the tailpipe emissions.
I think folks like SEMA being involved and them being on the front lines with a lot of how the federal testing procedure and whatnot can go.
I think if they can continue working with folks in the aftermarket that are trying to do things right, like, it's hard to do things right.
Like, super hard.
To meet federal testing, for example, I mean, you want to sell a product and it be legal, you get it stamped, SEMA certified, man, you're still looking at, you know, a lot of money and months before you get the product out.
And anyone entering the business, especially a manufacturer, that doesn't want to have any risk at all, then you're going to have to do some form of federal testing that will hopefully stand up to scrutiny.
With SEMA, they will stand up for you to scrutiny because they're standing on their process.
But if you do it yourself, which isn't, it's not hard.
Like, it's super easy to do.
You might have to defend that.
And normally it's not the fine that takes people out, it's the attorney fees.
So it's not a good time.
It's not like, I've seen a couple of companies recently, respected companies, turn their lights back on on social media.
And I was like, I'm not, I'm not out there, you know, trying to be the grim reaper to help people.
Hey, what are you doing?
But it's not the time.
I wouldn't be, I hope it doesn't happen.
And I don't think the EPA's intentions are to ramp up civil violations.
But it would not surprise me if I seen a ramp in civil violations in the coming months.
I actually almost expect that because you still have state attorneys that really believe in their calls and have a personal vendetta against people and are going to go after that.
And without oversight, they're going to succeed in a lot of it.
But I'd like to think that they're getting things to where it makes sense, but the EPA still has an obligation to, until rulemaking things change, they still have an obligation to enforce the law.
And as silly and dumb as it's written, the way it's currently interpreted and they act upon is, you can't touch the mission system, you know.
And I expect that since the criminal stuff went away, that civil enforcement's going to possibly ramp up a bit just to try to send the message that this is not legal.
And I would like to think the experience, what it feels like is you've got one side of the EPA that really has a climate change mentality and they hate diesels and combustion in general.
And you've got the other side that says, well, hold on, what just makes sense?
And sometimes the disconnect between that is big enough that you'll have one guy get treated really, really, really well and respectful.
And the other side, I mean, they're trying to put you in prison for five years and, you know, they go after your family like they did mine.
So I wouldn't be confident and no one get comfortable.
This is not the time to get comfortable.
And the civil panel, the civil fight is what I'm still dealing with way more than the criminal.
Like the civil fight was bad.
I was at a $3 million fine before the criminal thing happened.
You know, I'd spent, sure, five, seven plus million dollars before the criminal thing happened.
So for folks that think like, yeah, I'll take my lick and I'll move on, it might not be that easy.
You might have to sell your home to pay for that.
And I'm not trying to scare anyone.
It's just, I've gotten a guarantee.
It has to be over a hundred people over the past few years that I've tried to kind of help through these processes.
And it's like you said earlier, it's heartbreaking.
It's super heartbreaking to see like people have to sell their trucks and cars and homes and toys to just try to be able to still put food on the table.
So although the criminal stuff's gone, I mean, it is not the time to party.
It's the time to make these issues known.
I kind of jump into that.
People ask all the time, what can I do to help?
You know, this has gotten so expensive.
It's unbelievable.
And I think I might make some t-shirts or something.
So I'll do something soon.
Shut up.
I've got to do something.
But we'll continue fighting it.
But the real thing that people could do right now that I'm serious, they see this stuff is when the EPA post on Facebook or Instagram, X, whatever, Facebook's been banging.
They see that.
And if we become the hottest fire, we will get this fixed.
And it's forget that it's just like diesel truck owners that like want a performance ship, right?
There are trucking companies out there that are going out of business because they can't afford emissions repairs.
You know, Troy Lake had an example a while back.
He spoke about that $40,000 truck and it needed a $41,000 emissions repair.
Sorry, you're out of business, man.
You're done because you can afford that once.
But you can't refinance that truck twice.
It's already financed for emissions repair.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
But the agriculture thing, that's, I mean, you think we're mad and loud, you ought to see the tractor guys.
So I'm on a bunch of those forums, which is totally different world.
And they're going nuts over this and they're fighting super, super hard for it.
And it's the after treatment killing it.
Everybody's talking about its DEF systems, but it's the whole after treatment system.
You know, if the DPF pipe stopped up and you tell it, don't go and de-rate 100 pounds of back pressure, not coming out things.
100 pounds of back pressure on the engine, making it not go over 20 miles an hour.
That's your de-rate.
It's not a software thing.
You got a freaking, you got a potato in the pipe.
But whenever, if people in shops, I mean, I wish I could express this more.
If they would just video, document, talk about it, make a video post when the EPA post go on the EPA's page and talk about the after treatment, overload it.
And people say, don't make a difference right now.
The DEF post that the admin made recently, that's the number three most shared post since from the EPA, like users and people like us shared it.
That is number three since Trump got in office.
Wow.
Big beautiful bill was number one.
The second one was when they were rescinding this.
So tell me what Americans say the top topic is.
The top topic is we can't afford to keep this scam, this climate scam on our trucks.
The climate tax is finally too expensive and the older the trucks get, the more we're taxed.
Yeah.
The tax.
You know, you had a post last year.
It was, I think, I don't know what was going on in the emissions kind of world, but you had posted something and it was for content creators.
Podcast people, people who run YouTube channels.
And you were talking about how we had a responsibility to create content that was like truthful understanding that people see this.
And I think like, I know you make great tuning.
I know you do a lot of different really cool things in motor sports.
But the thing that I appreciate about you the most is the information you've always delivered.
Even if it's not on this podcast, could be a different podcast, could be on your own YouTube channel, your own Facebook is it's honest.
I think you really care.
What would you tell all of us who have a voice, have a channel, have a podcast, are an influencer, have a whatever it might be.
As we report on these things to be able to help the industry be able to help people with like honest information, because I don't think delete your truck now you're good to go is doing anybody a service.
Oh, God, no.
But your voice is really loud.
It's really powerful.
And if any of them are listening to this, or the people who watch them are listening to this, like what would you say to us all?
Number one thing is tell this this administration is legit listening.
So we need to tell them publicly like on their own pages, what we're dealing with that that's never worked before right it's just a bunch of shooting in the way I've done it for years just shooting in the wind get nowhere.
This administration is different.
They're legitimately looking at and even in some sense there's AI that is running from the comments and giving the top like what is the top hurt what's the burner what's the heater.
My advice like for me, I've got I'll be honest I've got most everything I need I'm super happy.
I'm happy with where I'm at now I don't need the leads.
I've like found a little hole I got a pocket it's great.
Life's good.
But I can't go racing.
Right.
And that sucks.
Really, really, really bad.
I can't go race freaking diesels and that's that's what I've done my whole life.
So for me, the thing is, is I want my kids to be able to participate in this and people say, Oh, well, there'll be EVs in this and that.
So that's a Holly that's still selling, you know, in pay of carburetors and intakes.
This isn't this is 20 plus years we got we got a ton of fun in this industry as long as we can play.
So for me, it's, you know, I'm starting to try to have kids and things like that.
And I've got, you know, a lot of my employees and you know, like family to me that work at the office they're having kids and I see their kids at the office and the coolest thing that I could ever do is provide a business that gives the option for all of our kids to be able to participate in this thing.
And that we've made lifelong friends, you know, I've met you through this game.
We've to get a taste of this really cool lifestyle that we live.
So for me, the biggest fight is, is we all have to give it 110%.
So that way my kid can race your kid.
You know, that's a and in the UTV game, that's what I'm seeing a lot right now is the guys that I've been racing with for tons of years.
Now we're tuning their kids course.
It's this is the coolest experience I've ever had.
We're now talking crap to each other and the kids are like, and I don't even have kids yet.
So, you know, the biggest thing is, is it if it's worth it to you to see this industry live for long enough that you can have your kids playing in the game.
It's our responsibility to make sure they can.
So the way the best way is crazy as it sounds talking to congressman email and senators, all that stuff's really good.
I mean, do it definitely worth it.
If you get a chance to meet them and talk to them, express the issues we had, like tell them straightforward, don't sugarcoat it.
You know, drop F bombs if you need to, whatever.
But on the on the most important thing is going on those EPA pages, Lee's Eldens and all them.
And don't be and don't don't be rude to them.
You know what I mean?
These guys are here to help.
They might not look like it on the front end, but they're working their tails off on the back end.
But if if people could be honest and express the issues they've had failures, they've had shop owners start doing videos of emissions failures and tag the EPA tag.
Tag me.
There's a buddy of mine, Carson Jurgerson.
He's been helping us a ton on the back end of this.
You should have them on one day.
He's a great guy.
But that tag tag some make sure that it can be seen, right?
Because if you make a post and nobody sees it, well, it doesn't do any good.
So tag someone that can that can see it.
But for sure, if you post it on the EPA's page, like under one of their comments, they might be talking about solar panels.
I'll talk about your truck.
Look at what I do.
If you go on a bunch of pages, you will see me commenting everywhere and I'm super busy.
I don't have time for this, but I have to do it.
So just make it part of your daily life to express how bad this stuff is and the issues it's caused.
It will make a difference.
If we're the loudest, if we are the hottest fire, we will be tended to way faster than we can imagine.
It's interesting because right before this podcast, I was scrolling through Instagram and there's a diesel shop I follow and he had a really nice L5P in the shop.
Had the color match fender flare as I tell you, made it look really nice.
And he was talking about the repair bill he has to give the guy for his DF system and something else.
And it's stuff like that that you probably see a lot.
I see a lot, but it doesn't mean somebody at an agency or somebody in politics knows just how common this is.
Yeah, and there's people like if I see something that's really good like that, I'm screen-shotting it in and I'm sending it to all my contacts.
And then they're sending it to all their contacts.
You know, if you want to go in on this or because like, so this is interesting.
So like Zeldin in his recent statement said that they were about to talk to OEMs and get their failure reports and this and that.
People say the OEMs want this stuff.
Like they make way too much money off of it.
And they're spending over 500 million, sometimes almost a billion dollars in just R&D on a emission system that doesn't factor in the efficiency of the engine, right?
Because the engine's not running at near peak efficiency.
That's why when people delete them and they tune them, sure, might have higher cylinder temps, little higher knocks output.
I mean, way less than that airplane up there, but a little bit higher.
But at the same time, the fuel economy that you would have gained off that, getting rid of the fuel penalty, how much does that offset the knocks penalty?
And if we factor in the correct half a million mile and manufacturing costs, cradle to the grave, when we factor in the real science of the emissions output of the lifespan of the vehicle, the real lifespan, not 150,000 miles,
you're going to see that this is nonsense.
You could have a truck be an extremely efficient and our emission system, if we get the science right, get the measurement right, it's going to show.
You could have this all along.
But utilizing useful life, I go back to that a lot.
Utilizing that, yeah, sure.
You could make anything sound a certain way if you measure it right.
Doesn't mean it's true.
But another thing, like with this administration, the cost associated with after treatment, like global costs, when you factor in all the penalties over on the minimum side, $4.4 trillion of additional costs.
The administration heard that.
That's an unbelievable amount of money.
And here's another thing.
This is super important.
And it's an inconvenient truth that I know EPA and DOJ hate me over.
So when they came after me, it was on the criminal side and most folks, it was under that National Compliance Initiative.
Remember that?
Yeah.
It was like 2020 to 2023.
It was a National Compliance Initiative.
That initiative's goal was to get rid of delete tuners.
The failed Biden administration at the end of the, towards the end of the era, when they were ending off the National Compliance Initiative, stated how many shops they shut down, how many things they were, how many delete tunes they stopped on the market, and then said it was a success, which is a lie.
They are idiots.
Here's why.
Because the National Compliance Initiative, they are correct on the part that they shut down 60 to 80% of the diesel market in America, the aftermarket diesel industry.
That is correct.
What is wild is, deletes exploded, 3X, post the National Compliance Initiative.
So they shut down the money in America.
And congrats to my friends in Canada.
I'm friends with a lot of friends in Canada, Russia, China.
Good job.
They're able to capitalize on the fact that Americans and the shops we have in America, we all got shut down from doing that.
So now you can get stuff from Russia and China that half of it's stolen from America.
You know, sometimes it's moved through Canada and hey, there's some guys in Canada that are actually good, right?
I'm not knocking everybody else.
That's not in America.
But the reality is, is the Biden administration said that when they put their biggest foot forward to get rid of delete tuning in America, the reality is it went up three times the amount.
But now America isn't making any money off of it.
And what's, that's a little bit, I don't really like the idea of China and Russia putting software in our vehicles.
You know, like, but the people say, well, they fault people for buying that software.
But if they don't have any good educated options in America, if there's not good education coming from America, then you're just going to get what's out there and someone that has a truck that's broken and can't afford the climate tax or replacing the after treatment.
They're probably going to spend a quarter of that and never have the problem again, get whatever comes from China and put food on the table for their families.
That's Americans.
They're going to fix their problem when, even if they can't afford the government mandated solution.
And I think that's kind of a kicker.
It's like, Hey, America, you, you went all in on getting rid of delete tuners and typical government fashion.
You made the problem worse.
And now we have other countries putting their software in our vehicles.
That's crazy.
Does the administration know that?
Yeah.
I don't know exactly how deep they know that, but I know they know it decently.
So there's, there's, I hope I'll get you connected with a bunch of folks, but they're, yeah, they, they truly do get what's going on.
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It was really cool to chat with you about this part of it because there's so many things happening.
They're happening really fast and it's hard to...
I never like to do these really fast right away because I like to read it.
I like to talk with you and other people in the industry to really understand it before I just throw something out there.
It's not correct, but you connected a lot of different dots and the answer...
I think one of the big questions people always have is, how can I get involved?
I'm a truck owner. I'm an enthusiast. I have a business. I hate this stuff, but I don't know what to do.
I'm just a guy. I'm just a business owner.
And so you gave some very concrete ways that people can participate.
And it's free. It's free.
Stop doomscrolling for three minutes and just do that thing.
Go comment on it. Do it every day.
If everybody did this every day, like...
I can't swear because I'm not in control of it, but I'm pretty positive something would happen quick.
I can confirm it's a very big deal to the administration of what fire is lighting up.
Can you imagine if the whole diesel industry just...
Just crap, man. Just 20% of people.
If they just went and commented on it, like after treatment is absolutely ruined and this and that.
Like, state an honest experience.
Like, don't go tell some crazy story, right?
Because if they call, if you end up getting...
Which would be crazy, but it can't happen.
If the administration ended up getting in contact with you, be like, hey, your story was super solid.
Can...
Would you mind telling that on Fox News or whatever?
You know what I mean? You don't want to look stupid.
So don't just be dumb. Like, be honest. It's way easier to be honest.
And just tell the honest truth of, like, your experience with the mission systems.
Or another big deal to the administration is, you know, they want people to purchase new vehicles.
It's actually a kind of a big deal, especially in the big rig land.
They're like, they don't even want to buy new vehicles.
They're resorting to purchasing older vehicles.
And LVZ costs as much as a L5P these days, you know?
And those things are a really big deal.
I think people just take a second out your day and go comment on it.
I think it would make an impact.
And it's free.
Yeah. Well, I mean, what you just mentioned there, when you were talking, I was thinking,
should I say this? Should I just say it?
I'm just one person, but I get asked a lot, like, well, what new truck are you going to buy?
Which one would you buy?
And my answer is really none.
I stick with my old one.
And it's not because I don't think they're cool.
I would love.
I saw ATS did like a Instagram live tearing down that eight speed automatic.
And I just watched it for 10 minutes.
I'm like, I want that truck.
I love super duties.
And but I can't do it.
Like, I don't want to do it.
And I'm just one person, but I was thinking like, how many other thousands,
millions of people are out there during that same position where they're like, yeah,
I would like to stimulate the economy and go buy an $80,000 truck.
And I would like to use it for X, Y and Z and create more jobs or more opportunity.
But why when I could go buy even a $30,000 LBZ?
Why would I do that?
Yeah.
Or a $25,000 seven three or even a $40,000 low mileage five nine.
Why would I go buy something that like you said, 150,000 mile life?
That's like nothing on these trucks.
No, it's it's it's crazy.
I mean, and my thing is, is why?
Why hasn't anyone ever stopped and thought about that?
Like the useful life argument.
That's I mean, that's that's just that's just utter nonsense.
It's like saying that I'm going to drive.
I'm going to drive 100 miles to go get gas for three cents cheaper.
Like, huh?
That's that's crazy.
Yeah, the useful life thing is it's really something to to hang a hat on.
It's a it's a really big deal.
Yeah.
I've got a couple of notes pulled up the the GDP and jobs impact on this just
like estimated to for for 2026 is $100 billion loss.
That's that's that's that's unfathomable.
But by 2050, this would be $5 trillion.
And what what's what actually ends up happening is, you know, you'll,
you'll see everything just start moving overseas because, you know,
people can't people can't make enough money.
Can't do things here.
That kind of trends.
Go ahead, Corey.
Yeah, that's that's like that's one of the big.
Like the administration, we do our best to explain to them what I was
saying earlier.
You can't expect an American to put a brand new DPF pipe on an already dirty
engine.
Like just that's crazy, you know, 150,000 mile pipes now at 75,000 mile pipe
and then another 150,000 miles.
We got a, you know, we got a pipe that it's going to throw a code the second
you take off and it doesn't work like smash the truck.
That's just it's just crazy.
And I've, I've got a good bit of data that I think I'm going to go ahead
and I'll, I'll try to get posted up in the next few days, maybe over the
weekend, but and I'd like for people to pick through it, come up with your
own data, you know, the stuff I put out, it's hard.
It's hard to take and put out information and say, these are the facts
because it's hard to get real facts.
Right.
Like, like in general, what is, what's the actual impact of NOx?
You know what I mean?
They're, they're, and the reason that I'm saying this is you're seeing them
they're, they're turning back the greenhouse, the endangerment finding,
the 2009 endangerment finding.
The science didn't change.
Real science never changed.
So why are we now pulling back an endangerment finding on these,
that caused this problem?
It was such a dangerous thing that we had to put mask on our exhaust pipes.
You kind of see where things are going.
They, they, there's a process and there's rulemaking changes that have to happen.
But the reality of the matter is, is it just flat out doesn't make sense.
And I think that people should do some research and then start posting your
questions and solutions on the EPA's page.
Just make noise.
You know, imagine if we had a thousand plus comments every,
every single time they tried to talk about a flower all day, hear about after
treatment.
I mean, how many times have we seen this administration?
People start screaming about something that's very, very, very important to
them.
And then, you know, two or three weeks, they're like, all right, we're taking
action on that.
We just need to keep forward progress.
But without all of us doing it, I don't think it's not going to happen.
We could have, I personally, this is just my thoughts.
Somebody in Trump admin may be laughing at me saying this, but my personal
thoughts are, is if we don't have enough volume in this, it won't happen.
It will be put on the back burner because there are lots of issues in
America.
But this one really is one of the top issues when you factor in the amount of
money, jobs, everything, and that, that it didn't fix the problem.
The leads are bigger than ever.
So we just have to literally make a lot of noise.
I keep repeating it, but it's the solution.
So I think to kind of cap that off too is I'm a history nerd.
I'm like a political science nerd.
That's what I studied when I was in college.
And up until now, there's never been a better time for an administration to
listen to any of this stuff than right now.
I don't care how far we go back and who knows what the future will hold, but
there is no better time to be able to talk about an issue like this and
actually have action take place.
Normally it's just whatever.
There's tons of other issues that could take precedence over this, but
I think people need to remember that and hopefully they do what you
recommended and get out there and participate.
There's some questions I got to ask you and these kind of go right in
line with what we're talking about right now.
I wanted to work them in into the podcast.
So I want to actually just read them exactly how we got them.
This one you kind of touched on a little bit, but I'm going to read it to you.
This guy said, I'd love to get his two cents on the current state of tuning.
Every single day I get questions about tuners who are really just websites
that are selling old stolen or just bad tuning.
There's a ton of confusion in the market about who actually does
calibrations and who simply sells tune files.
Misleading marketing by shady websites doesn't make it easy for the
consumer to understand.
Yeah, that's a huge issue.
And I mean, I would say 90% of the tunes that you see out there in
tuners and companies, it's all bull crap.
Like I would say 90%.
The number one thing I could that I tell people with that is look for
someone that they claim to be the calibrator.
They wrote everything from scratch and then here's the thing too.
Not writing everything from scratch got a bad rap because people were stealing.
I really don't fault the guy that can't do the hex work and all the code and
this and if it's not on the front end, you know, or they don't have
special expensive software files that they can't do their own, you know,
emissions changes that sometimes really good calibrators will find someone
that'll sell them a base file and then they can write their own
calibration on top of it.
I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
You know, the problem is is whenever they come out and say,
I did all the work because you'll get caught with your pants down
not be able to fix a problem on a truck.
But like if someone says in-house calibrator, but you don't know
who that calibrator is, I wouldn't buy from them at all.
I see that all the time.
We have in-house calibrators.
Really.
There's not that terribly many of them.
But whenever you can actually know who the calibrators are and look them up,
here's why it's important to look up the calibrator.
If you're doing what I do for a living, then you've been passionate about it
for a while and there's going to be some stank trails about you all over the
place because like you're not doing this, you're not doing this for real
without the passion of it.
You're going to be vocal about it.
You think in turbo land and transmission land, you know who could,
when you call ETS, like if you wanted to look up who the owner is,
you're going to find a very long paper trail of Clint Cannon being highly
involved in the processes that he has passion about and sells every day.
It's the same way for tuners, rather it's delete, present, whatever.
That guy that's passionate about it and talks about it and has a good history,
that's probably a pretty good bet.
I've seen companies that I really don't even, I totally don't care for the
owners of them, but like I applaud them for being on the front line saying
this is me, I'm doing it.
And then when you call, like you deal with that guy, that's real.
When you're buying from, you know, hot rod tuning that claims to be in the
Cayman Islands or something like that and like has a weird, no, just don't do
that. Don't factor in for cheap tuning.
Like do not do that.
These are like, this is your engine.
Like it's something not to cheap out on.
It's something to do a lot of research.
You know what I mean?
Like someone's playing with the way you're then the inside of your engine does
things.
It's highly important to know and do research of that the person you're
using is legit.
And if they're legit, there will be a trade paper trail.
And if they're like, well, they just don't want to give their names.
Pass on that.
Pass on that.
It's really good.
That's my advice for what I see from the outside.
And I do data logs.
Like, you know, we've got this data log service that shot a ton of shops
actually started doing it because it's cheaper to just send us a data log
than to have their text.
So a lot of people just send us data logs.
It's like, and it'll be foreign tuning, unknown tuning, right?
That's pretty typical for shops.
And so I'll look at the data log and I'm like, I just seen that a while ago
from that other company.
And I've seen that a while ago from that other company.
And they all got the same problem.
A lot at 90% of the markets, all the same crap.
So buy from someone that's super reputable and has a, you know, you can
you can watch them live in some form or fashion.
Don't go for the guy.
I mean, no, I got a buddy of mine.
I mean, he's been doing this for three years.
It's good to go because don't let someone tune in for three years to
tune your trailer.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Well, you think of the price of them, you know, with what they cost and if
it's financed and man, that's one of the things that scares me the most is
if the tuning is not right, it can get real expensive, real fast and you're
going to be on the hook for it.
Yeah.
And a company that has a longstanding reputation to, you know, like if I,
if I fat fingered something and I screwed somebody's truck up, like I have
paid for transmissions.
Like, oh crap.
I fat fingered it and you had zero pounds of line pressure.
I'm sorry.
You know, I had to pay for a transmission.
I've made mistakes and I care enough about my reputation and my business that
if we made a mistake, I care about my name.
I'm going to stand on, I'm going to stand on that.
But if it's someone that says, ah, EPA comes in, I'll just shut down and I
made my money.
I move on.
Well, I don't want that guy touching my truck.
I want someone that, that wants to have a career in this industry,
not a get quick quick, get rich quick scheme.
And that's what most 90% of this crap is.
They don't care if their website gets shut down.
Go with someone passionate.
That makes sense.
Here's a, here's another one we got.
How does Corey balance work home political balance as a business owner
and keeping up with the ever growing list of stuff to do?
I mean, you don't, I mean, if, if someone has to have a work life balance,
you're, you're not going to be able to, you can't compete with us.
It's just, it is what it is.
But there's a lot of people that don't need a work life balance.
And those are, those people are the monsters in my opinion, you know,
when you're self employed and you're driven, you've got to do things.
You just got to do them.
You know, I mean, that's, that's get up early, go to bed late.
I operate on six hours of sleep.
Like if I can get six hours of sleep, I'm freaking golden.
If I get eight, that's something's wrong.
Like I, I'm pissed off.
I didn't have enough going on or something.
Six hours of sleep generally, like I'll, I'll go to bed.
It's like, you know, 11, 12 o'clock at night and I'm up at five or six in the morning.
I don't even say, I haven't said an alarm clock in years.
Just get up and I immediately just, I'd, you know, have basically the first 30
minutes or so of the morning I'm going to take and try to drink some coffee,
watch the sunrise.
I'll probably post a clip on Facebook.
People seen a thousand times, but some of my buddies working off short.
They don't, they don't get to see pretty view.
So I tried to, but like just, just start to start.
I start my day off kind of good.
And then like that, like a little bit of personal time.
And then the rest of the day is just a bunch of stuff,
but whatever I have to for sure do that, like this is what has to happen that day.
There's no noise.
And, um, you know, I might have eight out maybe six times last year,
maybe four times a year before that.
I think I've only eight out.
So yeah, I don't do much.
I don't have any friends that, you know, nothing wrong with sports or anything,
but like, there's no noise in my life.
I don't have any really outside noise.
I can't tell you what's going on in like a bunch of politics that I'm not concerned
with.
I don't know what diesel shop Joe blows are doing over here.
Like I used to have more noise, but nowadays it's just really, it's,
it's no noise.
What do we have to do?
What's the mission?
What's the goal?
And we're going to attack that thing.
There's no, there's no big balance there.
But like if, you know, when I come in during the day, I'll take my wife's home.
I'm going to give her that, that time.
That's non-negotiable.
So my phone, I'll put it away.
I'm not accessible for this amount of time because it's a priority that,
you know, I can give her this amount of time.
And the other thing that's non-negotiable too is, is running in the gym.
Like some form of physical activity.
If you have those basics in, then I mean you're, you're pretty good,
but the most people's problem is doom scrolling and noise.
That's eliminate all the noise, put a mission in front of you and say,
I'm going to freaking die if I don't get this done and it'll change your life.
Eliminate options.
That's excellent advice.
I don't, there's, I mean, I don't have dish network.
I can't tell you, I haven't watched a movie in years.
Just work different, you know, work on the things that matter.
And if something doesn't matter, it's noise or, you know,
maybe you just enjoy it, maybe, maybe slow down on it and just do more.
It was a really good question because I think everyone in certain,
in certain ways faces that, whether it's family, friends, hobbies, business,
other kind of distractions and they see you successful and,
and pushing an industry forward and they want to learn from you.
So I think those tips that you gave, you know, really gonna.
It's just brutal.
It's just brutal.
I mean, you know, and, and, and how far do you want to go?
You know, I was talking to one of my employees about this yesterday,
literally.
And I said, how much money you think it would take for you just to be happy?
Like, I'm good.
I'm set for life.
This and that.
And the number he gave me was, it was a super low chill number.
I think just about there.
And the, the, it's, it's what, what are your goals?
What do you really want to do?
And I think that's what most people need to just lay out for themselves is
like, where do I realistically want to be in 20, 30, 40 years?
And I think Elon's got the best philosophy for that, which is, you know,
if you had to do it in 10 years, find out how you can do it in six months
and then go from there.
And the amount of work that you will get, you will not achieve 10 years
worth of work in six months, but in six months, you might achieve four years
worth of work and you're that far ahead.
And I think that's the, the, the most important thing is just what are your
goals?
My goals are to fix, fix this problem in this industry, have some kids playing
in the industry and, you know, have fun with everything else that revolves
around that and, and help a lot of people to get through, get through hard
times.
Like right before the oversight hearing, I literally blew my knees out.
I think I ran like, I ran like almost 300 miles a year before and I ran
almost 400 miles last year and I did that to clear my head.
Like people was like, you don't have anxiety.
I'm like, hell yeah.
That's why I'm busy.
But for me, you know, I don't have a ton of time.
So if I can just catch 20, 30 minutes, you know, in the evenings, a little bit
of gym run or whatever, that relieves the majority of the anxiety out.
You just put it all into there.
Very cool.
Got another one for you.
Yup.
What does Corey believe the future of diesel motor sports will look like in
five, 10 or 20 years?
It really, it all depends on where this regulation goes.
If we can't get this regulation fixed and we're all going to be playing with
old trucks, because if we can't get it fixed, then it's going to get worse.
That's, that's my opinion.
You know, I don't think there's neutral in government.
You're either fixing something or you're breaking something because when it, when
it comes to our tax dollars, that number is not a flat line.
So we're either up or down.
Right now it looks like we're on the right direction.
So if we fix the, if we don't fix it, then we'll be playing with old trucks and
getting fines and eventually it'll phase out, it'll likely phase out.
That also depends on the security of the vehicles, which looks to be in the
right direction with all the rights to repair stuff going on with John Deere,
et cetera, and the EPA.
I think, I think the ECU side is going to be okay.
As far as, now if, if we can fix this, oh my God, it'll be the best time to be
alive.
I mean, can you imagine, my thoughts aren't just like, we're going drag racing.
I'm like, okay, we're bringing diesels to the desert.
We're doing, you know, we'll, we'll freaking get diesels into a NASCAR arena.
You know what I mean?
How far can we go?
It's there, very efficient fuel.
So the new engines coming out, seeing Jay Tilley's and some others talk about it
a bit, but it looks like the, there's going to be bigger displacement engines in
the future.
I mean, what happened whenever, you know, we went from a 350 to a 454?
Freaking party time, right?
That'd be really, really cool going to all these new leader engines.
It's going to bring in, I would encourage everybody and their brother to get into
the diesel performance industry if we can fix this stuff, because the innovation,
I mean, when was it?
You're, Clint was super, why don't, why don't we have superchargers rocking on
these diesels right now?
Oh, just a turbo.
Oh, what are you trying to do with the diesel engine?
That I would love to be able to have those options and just test, test, test.
And if, if we can have this stuff somewhat fixed or we can have a, you know,
protection for manufacturers, there's a few different ways we can skin the cat.
But if, if some, by some way there's a legal method that we can actually have
language that's good enough to be able to build a race core that doesn't qualify
as, qualifies a F one or an S core or a pro mod, you know, a real street core,
you know, old school, NHRDA had to have a job at 1190 class.
He used to have to have registration on the truck, working tail lights.
Remember those, that rule set forever ago.
Imagine that again today.
That would be so big, but imagine it whenever the big displacement engines
come out and you start to start that war.
I mean, it could be the funnest era in the world.
Or it'll be, or we'll be just talking about the, the fun stuff we used to do with old trucks.
And, and I mean, we'll be here, PPI be here.
I'll be able to take and give you power for, for your stock trucks.
But at the same time, I'm one of you guys, man.
I, you know, I would really love to, to, to have some stuff.
People's never even thought about on a diesel alternative fuels in the diesel.
You know, I've got dreams.
Do you remember years ago, there was a company that had, I don't remember what they called it,
but they took a brand new power stroke, a brand new Duramax, brand new Cummins,
put a bunch of performance parts on it and they would run it on the dyno to see
at what point it broke and it was a transmission or whatever it was.
And like, it was breaking point, breaking point as like six.
Yeah.
And like that was so cool.
I remember being at work and I would like turn my speakers up just a little bit to watch it and be like,
wow, a six four just did that.
Or this is what Sturamax just did.
Or when's the 68 RFE going to puke out of the bottom of the truck and everything.
That was like, like the Duramax, you know, they, they took a LML Duramax.
They turn it had dual pumps on it.
I think of S four 75 over stock.
I'm pretty, or it was a four 72 or a four 75,
but they turned the injector duration all the way up to 4,000 microseconds,
which is like not even physically possible.
So just hung the injectors wide open,
but the thing made 1100 and something horsepower before it blew up.
That was awesome.
I would have never guessed that you could even slightly get there.
I mean, all the spray, but still like that was cool.
Yeah, we could.
Yeah.
Like if, if the industry got let off the chain, like I would literally,
I would literally just do breaking points all the time.
People love it.
We want to know when it breaks,
even if we don't plan to take it that far, you love to know how much it could handle.
Yeah.
And that's the thing is like,
and when I'm doing these emissions present tunes, man, they drive great.
Like everyone that rides in one of our emissions present trucks,
especially that's used to like, or delete tuning or delete tune in general.
When they ride in our emissions present is like, whoa, I didn't expect that.
That's awesome.
And it is, but the problem is, is, you know,
that's, that's almost as far as I can get you.
That's about all that's there.
And I know what's left in the tank.
And we had Charlie at KC Turbos down recently.
It's super fricking good guy.
I actually learned a good bit from him.
He's awesome.
When, when he was down and we were looking at the data and the power and stuff we're making,
he's like, but there's more.
And I was like, well, look at where our knock sensors are right now.
I was like, we've got it.
Well, we can't, you can't actually go any more than this because although it looks fun
and our data looks fine, it's going to throw a check engine light.
It's going to have a problem in this amount of time.
We will go test driving everything.
It'd be great.
Wait for it.
The next guy that comes in that's got the air filter stopped up 10%.
You've got a tech problem.
So you can't actually even push it to these points.
You have to come to this spot here that the truck's going to legit stay happy in
and not get pissed off and pass emissions.
So it's like, there's always so much more on the table and I see it.
And so if someone goes from me to someone else and like, oh, it's a labor power.
I'm like, yeah, like it's not, it's not going to last.
It's not going to work.
So it's the industry.
I just want the industry to loosen up, you know, and I'm trying to hang turbos
and injectors and pumps off the stuff trying to spray all kinds of things in my engine.
Want to go racing.
Yeah, I think we all do.
We love to love to see it.
Yeah.
Looking forward to that.
Two last questions for you.
The other one was when or what's holding back 25 plus Ram tuning?
It's the ECU.
I mean, it's straight up the ECU.
I honestly don't know if I was always told by friends that that were caught up in OEMs
that it's because of the EPA that the ECUs are locked down so hard.
The more we're seeing Zeldin come out, which is kind of fun to watch play out in public.
The more we're seeing Zeldin talk and the more we're seeing kind of the OEM loosen up a little bit.
I think it is the EPA is the biggest reason that the ECUs are super, super locked up.
And they wouldn't necessarily ever come out and say that, especially before,
because you say anything against the climate, the climate cult.
You don't want that.
So, but I think we'll see what happens.
It's like anything else though.
It'll get, it'll get unlocked.
It's just a matter of time.
Very cool.
Now, this last one I debated whether to ask and I actually want to read it verbatim from Ryan Millican at Hardway Performance.
Ask him who his daddy is and why is it me?
Normally, I love Ryan.
We've been close friends for so long.
I don't know why he said that.
I went back with him and I was like, do you call me?
Because you ate the most hot, bit large, girthy hot dogs.
And I couldn't get that many in my mouth.
It doesn't make you daddy.
No, Ryan's a great dude, man.
One of the best calibrators in the game.
That's another thing.
Imagine you let a Ryan Millican come back and play.
How cool.
We could make, I mean, like he's doing the Motax and all that stuff.
And I mean, he's at the top level.
Boy, he's awesome.
But imagine you let someone like that come back and play with these stock trucks and start adding on little ports.
The industry hasn't seen anything.
We haven't seen innovation realistically.
That's mind boggling here in what, six, seven plus years as far as like turbo and air goes.
There's nothing really super innovative.
We're just kind of reinventing the wheel on new stuff.
And there's so much things people could do.
And if you truly let, if you let the Ryans, the LeVons, the PPI's, let these companies go.
Oh, more Broviac, Danville back in the day, let these old school cats play.
The fun, and the funny thing is, you know, we're all friends.
The majority of the tuning industry, everybody's friends.
So you let, you let us all come back and play.
And that would be awesome.
You could see me and Ryan going, we'll have some wars at the track or something.
Who's daddy?
He'd probably get me for a little while though.
That boy's going fast right now.
I better go find a couple.
I didn't say that.
Everybody's so fast right now.
But no, Ryan's not my daddy.
He's an individual.
He's a form.
It was a really cool chat with you, Corey.
I always appreciate your time, but I really wanted to catch up with you about all this stuff that happened since we talked last.
And then, you know, give us a direction on how we can, how we can help what we can do.
I'm sure there'll be some more new stuff this year where we can chat again about some changes,
but I appreciate what you're doing, the information you put out, the content, and it was a great chat with you this evening.
It was, and I want to thank everybody.
I've got, you know, I'm not a content creator.
I don't know how to play all those games.
I'm a nerd, but I do my best to put the information out there and I get, oh my God, I have so many comments and DMs and it's impossible.
I can't get to everything and I'm not putting an automated system on again.
That was a nightmare.
But I just want to tell everybody that's like supporting me and the whole movement.
Like seriously, thank you.
I might not be able to respond to every message, every comment.
I mean, it's impossible, but I try to see as much as I can and like seriously thank all you guys because before I was kind of just the crazy person.
And now it's starting to come around that things are happening, but it takes all of us.
And I think here very, very, very soon, we'll maybe have some better, even better messaging of maybe what this administration wants to hear and just start turning the volume up.
If you want to help, then take a little bit of time and just go comment on the EPA's post about this stuff.
It sounds crazy, but I'm doing it.
Awesome.
Thanks again, Corey.
We'll make sure and echo that message for you.
For sure.
I appreciate it.
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About this episode
The episode dives into the current state of diesel regulations, focusing on recent changes from the EPA regarding DEF and derating issues. Guests discuss the implications of the DOJ's announcements, the mixed messaging surrounding emissions, and the impact on truck owners. They emphasize the need for clarity in legislation to protect businesses from fluctuating regulations and highlight the economic burden of emissions systems. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding the real-world implications of emissions standards and the future of diesel technology.
Original notes
Diesel isn’t dying by accident. It is being shaped by policy, perception, and who actually shows up to fight for it. Kory Willis chats with us about where diesel is headed and why truck owners can’t afford to sit on the sidelines anymore.
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