{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"“The Great Train Wreck” — Time, Friction, and the Dealership Process Breaking Customer Trust | Matt Lasher, President of Streamline Auto","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/the-great-train-wreck-time-friction-and-the-dealership-process-breaking-customer-trust-matt-lasher-president-of-streamline-auto","audioUrl":"https://anchor.fm/s/1094c7cb4/podcast/play/117034285/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-2-17%2F420165425-44100-2-aaff48a0e4056.mp3","description":"Matt Lasher pulls back the curtain on one of the most expensive and preventable problems in automotive retail. The moment a customer falls in love with a car, spends five hours at the dealership, and then the deal collapses in finance because nobody asked the right questions early enough.In This EpisodeWhat the great train wreck actually is and why it is happening at every dealership every single dayHow the affordability crisis is creating a tidal wave that dealers need to start preparing for nowWhy lenders and dealers are like Mars and Venus and what it costs everyone when that gap stays openThe hidden bias toward customers with credit challenges and why 40% of consumers have a credit score of 680 or lessWhy empathy is not just a soft skill in automotive retail but a business strategyHow technology should be used to enhance human connection rather than skip over the people that make the deal happenMatt's perspective on why dealers are resilient and why this crisis is no different from every other one they have survivedAbout Matt LasherMatt Lasher is President at Streamline Auto and a people first advocate in automotive retail. With a background rooted in dealership operations, Matt now sits at the intersection of auto fintech and the dealer lender relationship, working to make it easier for dealers to serve every customer that walks through their door.Key Quotes\"The great train wreck happens not because we want it to but because sometimes there is just a lack of information at the point that they need it.\"\"40% of consumers have a credit score of 680 or less. If you are not thinking about the affordability problem you are just servicing the people that have buckets of cash.\"\"Dealers are resilient. There is just no stopping the dealer.\"Resources and LinksConnect with Matt Lasher on LinkedInLearn more about Streamline at streamline.autoSubscribe to The Dealer Playbook newsletter at thedealerplaybook.comJoin the Dealer Playbook community for more conversations that matterTake ActionIf this episode hit home, do two things. First, subscribe to The Dealer Playbook wherever you listen so you don't miss the next one. Second, leave a review. It helps other dealers find these conversations when they need them most.Timestamps00:00 Intro00:48 Dealer to Vendor Shift02:17 Affordability Train Wreck04:26 Time Kills Deals05:50 Lenders vs Dealers Gap08:58 Tech With People First11:32 Empathy for Buyers15:21 Blind Spots in Credit16:38 Connect and Wrap Up17:22 Outro\n"},"annotations":[{"startTime":29.8,"endTime":40.5,"type":"concept","title":"NADA","url":"/glossary/nada","quote":"\"But it's great to see SUBI and all the people. NADA is kind of a second family, right? So it's the transition that's hard.\"","canonicalId":"concept:nada","priority":0.5,"confidence":1.0,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"NADA stands for the National Automobile Dealers Association, a trade organization representing car dealerships in the United States. 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So the great train wreck is when I spend five hours with Mr. Cerillo, right, Mike, let me show you all these great cars that you could buy for your family...","canonicalId":"concept:the-great-train-wreck","priority":0.9,"confidence":1.0,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"The Great Train Wreck is a term coined in 2006 by Greg Goble to describe the common situation at car dealerships where a sale falls apart due to missing or late information, such as credit checks or income verification, causing frustration for all parties involved and preventing the deal from closing.","simplifiedExplanation":"The Great Train Wreck is when buying a car gets messed up because the dealer doesn't have all the info they need, like your credit or income, so the deal can't go through and everyone gets upset."}},{"startTime":187.2,"endTime":191.6,"type":"term","title":"third row seat","url":"/glossary/third-row-seat","quote":"...let me show you all these great cars that you could buy for your family. 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It's called that car dealers use this phrase a lot. Yeah. It's called time kills deals. Yeah. If you work at a dealership, you understand time kills deals.","canonicalId":"concept:time-kills-deals","priority":0.9,"confidence":1.0,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"\"Time kills deals\" is a common phrase in car dealerships meaning that delays and prolonged processes during the car buying experience can cause customers to lose interest or walk away, ultimately preventing sales from closing.","simplifiedExplanation":"\"Time kills deals\" means if buying a car takes too long, people might get bored or frustrated and decide not to buy it."}},{"startTime":282.3,"endTime":399.48,"type":"concept","title":"dealership process","url":"/glossary/dealership-process","quote":"time kills deals and all sorts of ways. If I spent five hours with you at the dealership and now you can't leave with that car, you're coming back to see me. Maybe not. I'm a little bit upset. Yeah. 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But for some people, they're choking on that.","canonicalId":"concept:financial-stress-in-car-buying","priority":0.9,"confidence":1.0,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"Buying a car is a significant financial decision that can cause stress, especially when monthly payments are high or financing is difficult to obtain, affecting customers' emotional and financial well-being.","simplifiedExplanation":"Buying a car costs a lot of money and can be stressful, especially if you have to pay a lot every month or if it's hard to get a loan."}},{"startTime":856.9,"endTime":865.2,"type":"concept","title":"dealership finance process","url":"/glossary/dealership-finance-process","quote":"And finance managers, sales managers and general managers and dealership employees, salespeople, we have this opportunity to guide people and navigate through this very stressful thing.","canonicalId":"concept:dealership-finance-process","priority":0.9,"confidence":1.0,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"The dealership finance process involves sales managers, finance managers, and other staff helping customers secure financing for vehicle purchases, guiding them through credit checks, loan approvals, and payment plans.","simplifiedExplanation":"When you buy a car at a dealership, there are people who help you get a loan or payment plan so you can pay for the car over time."}}],"speakers":[{"id":"s1","name":"Michael Cirillo","role":"host"}],"transcripts":[{"url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/the-great-train-wreck-time-friction-and-the-dealership-process-breaking-customer-trust-matt-lasher-president-of-streamline-auto/transcript.vtt","type":"text/vtt"}]}