The Kia Soul is Dead. Cost to Insure My Cars? Jaguar Land Rover is Back!
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I am Kenan.
I'm Nick.
Nick is filling in today, Filippo is gone, he's in Atlanta.
Kenan is going to be there soon at the Road Atlanta Track Day at the Petit Le Mans.
Yes, Petit Le Mans for IMSA, very exciting.
Filippo is already there because he's filming some video with an Aston Martin.
You'll find out all.
We have to start with the news.
Nobody knows why, but yes, to the news.
Folks, the Kia Soul is being cancelled.
There was a time not long ago where this was the most popular car in Kia's lineup.
Totally.
This ad in particular, when they did the nice dancing thing.
It was hot when the ad first came out, but I think late first gen, beginning second gen,
maybe 10 years ago, it was truly the most popular car in Kia's lineup.
And now it's dead.
And now it's dead.
Small cars are hard to make money selling.
The market has moved on, people want SUVs.
I also wonder if Kia has kind of made the decision,
they're going to start stepping up into, the Telluride has become so popular,
they're going to start stepping up into more, they can make more profit,
like a more legitimate kind of stuff as opposed to being associated with tiny cars,
which was all we know about Kia for so long.
Oh, for decades.
It seems like the opposite of a halo car where it anchors people to a,
oh, they make crappy cars like the Soul.
Right like the Soul.
That's right.
And that's what you think of for a long time.
You thought of Kia and honestly, this is one of the main things you thought of.
You think of hamsters and a Hain people mover.
You don't like how it looks?
Funny enough, when people come to me about my multiply that I just got,
I equated to the Kia Soul because it came in that same green.
It's ugly as heck, but it is super practical.
Why are you saying heck?
The Kia Soul fits all of this criteria as like the modern Korean version of the multiply.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not anywhere near as weird looking as the multiply.
I'm not good looking.
But I don't think generally the public doesn't consider this to be one of the most ugly cars.
No, I think in part because the Soul became so mainstream that like we just sort of,
we just sort of, you know, accepted it.
We got to know it.
Yeah.
Well, they took inspiration from a hamster, not a platypus, good design choice, but you
don't like how the Kia Soul looks really.
I mean, I wouldn't be driving it.
Yeah.
But that's because you wouldn't be driving any compact car like driving one right now.
If you were dry, if you were going into the dealership to buy a new compact car,
you could do a lot worse than a Kia Soul.
The Cube was worse.
You could end up in a 2013 Ford Focus.
Nick's got a Ford Focus.
Maybe that's why Kia Soul, there's like a pro competitiveness here.
I'm soulless, you might say.
Give us the next news story please.
Kia Soul's gone.
Hyundai, other news story, we didn't cover this when it was announced, which was three weeks ago.
But Hyundai kind of slipped into like a quarterly news update that they are developing a body on
frame pickup truck.
Wow.
There's no pictures.
There's no anything.
All they have said is they are developing an in-house.
So this isn't going to be like a shared with Toyota, whatever, in-house body on frame pickup
truck, mid-sized pickup truck in the US market, and it will come by the end of the decade.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, that's a big deal.
Maybe someone there is listening to your, as you've been standing on your soapbox for a while,
saying that more manufacturers need to be making that because that's what people want.
It's interesting because I have a suspicion an SUV will also accompany it.
It seems like that makes the most sense.
Ford doesn't do that, but Toyota does it to great success.
And of course, Nissan did for years with the exterior on the front here.
And I wonder, does Hyundai, like Honda's sitting here and going,
I'm not sure, do you think what I don't know?
And Hyundai's like, we're going to do it.
We're just going to do it.
Do you think this, are they thinking of the US market in particular?
Like there's a Toyota Hilux and a lot of Asia Pacific body on frame trucks.
Sales or Kia sells that Tasman thing overseas.
But I think it's Unibody.
It sounds like they are developing this.
All they said was it's going to be in the US market,
but they didn't say that it's not going to be global.
For all we know, like other vehicles, it could be like the Ranger is global.
It would seem silly not to come up with a global concept.
It just will people in America that like love the F-150 and Silverado and Ram
do a Hyundai pickup?
Well, it's going to be a midsize.
So it'll be a competitor for the Tacoma.
And I think that in the midsize segment,
people are a lot more willing to allow imports because,
I mean, they already had the Tacomas, but outsells all the other ones.
Do you ever see people on Toyota pickups and think, huh, why don't they like America?
No, because that pickup is made.
Well, actually, that pickup is built in Mexico,
because that pickup is built in a North American country.
No, I don't think that.
I think that those people.
You can send us to a Toyota man here.
My truck was built in the US.
I want to be clear about this.
My Toyota truck.
The Camouflage Fenders give that away.
My Toyota truck was built.
You know what?
I had a buddy today.
Send me a picture.
We'll get it posted here.
Of a Sequoia TRD Pro where they had swapped out the Fenders Camo
for white fenders from a regular Sequoia.
And you know what?
It looks worse.
I prefer the Camo Fenders.
Are you sure it just looks different and you're just that initial feeling?
I'm going to show you and you tell me what you think.
But this does not look like an off road, like a midi off road vehicle.
He doesn't like paint match fenders.
Remember the Cayenne?
He thinks it looks like a diaper.
Oh, and he likes the WRX.
He can't handle gloss on fender flares.
Well, I think an off road vehicle should have plastic flared fenders.
Yes.
And like my E450 all-terrain.
You want the XRT look.
You're still on that platypus thing.
Like you want the XRT picture?
I do.
I want to show off.
Listen, I pulled off all my TRD Pro badges, but I want to show off a little.
And I think that this looks like a Lexus TX.
It looks like a Sequoia TRD Pro that's asking for permission.
Oh, could I be a Sequoia TRD Pro, please?
It does neuter it a little bit, but I think the hierarchy goes,
carbon fiber fender flares like the four by four squared, then paint matched,
and then camo, and then plastic, actually.
Carbon fiber is number one.
You didn't ask for anything.
That's a serious off roader.
Hopefully Hyundai will offer carbon fiber fender flares on their midsize truck,
on their body on frame.
At the very least camo.
It's interesting also to develop a body on frame truck in this day and age.
Yeah.
Like we're moving to electric vehicles.
We're moving to these kind of pod cars that sort of all look the same.
And the designs are getting, the interiors are getting pulled out.
There's oval shapes.
They're developing what's probably going to be a muscular body on frame,
like go do it pickup truck.
And that's pretty cool.
That is pretty cool.
They believe that this, that market will be around long enough
to justify the development of such a vehicle.
I mean, I hope it doesn't look like the Santa Fe.
Santa Cruz is what you're thinking of, the pickup truck.
I, it'll be curious.
It'll be interesting to see what they do.
Like will they keep the Santa Cruz, a car based truck,
in addition to a body on frame?
I imagine not.
I imagine Santa Cruz is a one and done generation.
Why didn't they name that the Baja?
I guess they couldn't.
I guess they super would get upset about that.
Yeah, still in it.
But still in Valor.
I think I imagine if Hyundai is doing this,
I imagine there will also be a Kia version.
And perhaps it will have hamsters.
Perhaps it will have hamsters.
Also, one other interesting thing about the thing,
the body on frame truck thing is that there's no real powertrain.
That seems like it would work.
I'm very curious.
It'd be very interesting to see what happens in the next few years.
A body on frame Hyundai truck.
Take that Honda.
And we're not really sure.
I don't know.
Do we do it?
Do we do it?
Do we do it?
Bealoo.
Okay, move on to the next story.
Ah, Tesla, which Flippo is not here.
So it must be your story.
It is my story, shockingly.
Wow, I'm surprised at that.
Two things interesting with Tesla going on.
One, they had a record profit in Q3.
So the sky was falling.
They had a rough first half of the year.
Because the subsidies were ending,
I think they were able to pump a lot of sales.
But still, for someone that was in the news for so long
for not doing well, a record Q3 is great if you want to stop.
Really important to highlight.
The subsidies ended the day that Q4 started.
So a ton of people pulled forward their vehicle purchases
or leases into Q3.
And EVs had declining sales in Q1 and Q2,
and actually a significant increase in Q3 due to the subsidies.
I bet you Q4 ain't as good.
That being said, we lose that price discount, basically.
However, they're rolling out new base models that will be cheaper.
They're removing some features, et cetera, et cetera.
But those cheap Teslas that have been promised for so long
are finally going to become a thing.
Likewise, they're continuing to refresh these models.
It does feel like it just felt so dark for Tesla for so long.
I think they could get a good Q4 out of having a lower price point.
Maybe, especially if they really do have these entry-level cars,
I think what a lot of people are looking for in this car
is an affordable thing, an affordable commuter.
Almost everyone I know with a Tesla has a fun car,
but one is something they could commute in and just not care about.
And so coming out with a base model.
Now, one of the things I read is that the base model,
some of the things will actually,
they won't include some of the self-driving type stuff,
which will be interesting.
I think that's a big component of why people are interested in these cars.
But it sounds like it hasn't been perfectly explained yet,
and I'm curious to see where it actually all ends up.
I mean, if you could add it later, like as a software update,
then it's people like me that only pay attention on the purchase price.
They'll be like, okay, I got it cheap,
but then my next bonus or commission check, I'll upgrade it.
His next commission check.
This is how America thinks, right?
Nick's talking like a Tesla owner.
Yep.
We're not planning that far out.
He's such a deep sales guy, it really fits.
But good Q3 forum, and obviously that was due to the subject.
I am incredibly curious,
and I think it will be incredibly interesting to see what happens
to the electric car market this quarter.
I have a suspicion the bottom is going to absolutely fall out,
except for the really high-end stuff,
where people probably weren't relying that much on the tax credit anyway.
For instance, I bet Penn and Farina Batista sales
will be fairly similar in Q4.
They'll go from zero to zero.
That's correct.
Yes, yes.
Mirror the asspark aisle sales numbers.
All right.
Give us what's next.
Ah, yes, sticking with factories.
So we've talked about Jaguar Land Rover for a while.
Their factory was shut down due to a cyber attack.
Well, they've opened back up again.
We're filling this on Wednesday.
They're starting production again today.
It's starting a little bit smaller.
They're beginning with just the engine assembly plant
and the battery assembly plant.
But it was announced by Jaguar that by the end of the week,
or end of next week, they will be back to operational stats.
Did they pay a ransom?
I didn't say if they paid a ransom or not.
Probably wouldn't want to announce.
The problem was dissolved.
It went away as things go away.
They gave the hackers a couple of new full sizes.
And in Russia, that's given them a million bucks.
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Yeah, it all worked.
And they got to mark off two assaults.
So in the end, it actually worked for everybody.
Well, this makes you really think
that your car isn't all that special, huh?
Sitting on the frame rails, wheels not on it,
like they just built, and they're like, this isn't.
What do you get?
It's all about, then they put on the style
to make you think it's cool.
Yeah, I think Porsche people in particular
should go to the factory and see
how the cars are assembled and are moved around.
I watched, when I was there, I watched like just a new GT2 RS,
or a new GT3 RS rather, just on a trailer,
just in the rain, just being pulled around.
That car will never rain again.
I remember, I'll never forget this.
One time, there was a significant snowstorm
in the north of Germany, which is where the cars leave from.
They leave from the Port of Emden.
And there's significant snowstorm.
And someone at the port, I worked with someone
who was at the port there, and they sent me a picture
of all these Porsches completely covered in snow.
And just covered, I mean, it was like bad.
Like the trains were covered in snow
that brought the cars from the factory to the port.
And I was thinking to myself, someone on Wrenlist
is going to advertise one of these cars for 20 years,
never been wet, only ever used waterless,
never ever been wet.
Meanwhile.
It's like, meanwhile, yeah, it actually sat under a foot
and a half of snow when it was just a unit at the port,
nobody cared.
Right, that's exactly right.
It kind of takes the romance off.
Glad that Jaguar Land Rover's getting back
to be in production.
What could we have possibly done without new discoveries?
Right, that's, sure.
They did also announce, though, that in the sales up,
until that point, until September 30th,
they noted from last year, were down 24.2%
compared to the year prior.
They're trying to blame some of this on the shutdown,
but I don't think that was necessarily what caused it,
although it was certainly-
It's hard to know because Jaguar Land Rover's
in this weird situation where their production constraint,
I mean, to be clear, Jaguar is not producing any cars,
so that probably is some component of the sales decline.
But Land Rover's also like a little weirdly
production constraint.
Like, Range Rovers are still on waiting lists.
Maybe new defenders are, to an extent, I don't know.
I wonder if Defender still is.
Probably not, but it's still a hot car,
even at five years later.
I think they have a nice lineup right now,
or at least a reasonably good lineup.
You want a Discovery Sport?
I want a Defender.
You want a- Do you?
Yeah.
Really?
Really?
Why?
In terms of like cool three-row SUVs, it's still,
even with the diaper on the back that makes it a little ungodly.
The regular 110 offers a third row.
Which would probably be fine.
You drove mine, didn't you?
No.
I drove that.
It was fine.
You know what it was really good at was being off-road.
Like, looking back on it, it was a beast off-road.
Both on the sand, and we took it to the desert here
a couple times, like rock crawling.
It was like quite impressive.
And I truly think it still looks nice.
It's aged well.
Like, it doesn't look like a five-year-old vehicle.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
That came out five and a half years ago.
In fact, I bought mine almost five years ago,
to the week when this podcast airs.
I have the giant LEGO set in my office.
I look at it every day.
I bought mine the day that Joe Biden was elected the U.S. President.
Wow.
Because of that?
I was like, Biden's here, time for it?
No, I ordered it months before.
It just happened to come in.
I remember you texting the group thread and specking it out
and being like, oh, I can't get the steelies
unless I get the different engine.
And which one do I pick?
And we all waited.
That came the same week as the RS2.
And they left like, yeah.
You lost interest in both of them pretty much at the same time.
Looks really cool.
And we're disappointing to what you expect.
Yeah.
I did drive the Defender across country like three times.
I mean, I drove sold mine with like 50,000 miles.
I really used it.
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Okay, next situation.
Oh, Lamborghini.
This is new.
Lambo concept.
Lambo always has the coolest concepts,
often which like the Sesto Elemento
and all those cars come new production
in some shape or format.
So I think this is a tease
at a limited production Revolto in the future or something.
Is this a renderer?
It's a concept car.
It's a renderer right now called the Manifesto,
but how freaking cool
if they build anything even remotely resembling this
in real life.
I mean, to me, it just looks like a shape.
It looks like a shape, but that's what's cool about it.
Does it really have a...
I mean, it has no door.
I think it looks cool.
That looks cool as hell.
The Gallardo Concept S,
there was an Aventador that had no windshield
and let's split down the middle.
This is something they absolutely could and should build.
Totally.
I think it looks cool as hell.
I mean, I don't know if they really could build it.
It'll be tweaked a little bit, but I think...
It doesn't have doors.
I think that one of the tweets they'll have to make
is they will probably have to add doors.
Perhaps the glass just opens up and you get it.
And that famously is a very good production car entry
and exit component.
A lift off canopy.
You get a rock chip in the windshield.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That'll be $69,000 for a new lift off canopy.
Well, I mean, yeah, but the Lucids have the one piece of glass
that I'm sure is also about $70,000.
But you don't enter through it.
That's true.
The impracticality, though, is part of the point.
The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars coming out now,
them being difficult and quirky to your catchphrase there,
is now one of the main selling points.
That is cool as hell.
I can't imagine it will actually be built.
Maybe it teases a small volume model.
I think Stradman already has his allocation
and not color, too.
Probably.
But along the topic of crazy Lamborghinis,
so their Lamborghinis head of sales and marketing
said that they plan to build more crazy models,
kind of in the vein of the Sturrado.
So lifted off-road, just insane stuff.
Specifically, they said they plan to build more off-road supercars.
Yes, exactly, which I think is fascinating.
And I hope that they do, because if any company can get away with it,
it's kind of Lamborghini.
They should be building the craziest, wackiest, most insane stuff.
The news article I saw said like that were Vuelto and not the Urus.
I was just going to say that.
First off, Vuelto was too big and ungainly and expensive
to do an off-road version.
Agreed.
The Urus.
Well, they did that.
So they did that.
It's an SUV.
They did that STX thing that was going to become something
and then never did.
But it doesn't make sense.
Why do they not do an Urus 4x4 square?
Like with chunky tires, big carbon fender flares, the hierarchy.
Like seriously.
And call it the LaMou.
LMO 3, baby.
It could be a trim package, but still, I don't think that would be cool.
Let me ask you this.
Is LM002 the worst-named car ever?
Like the leading zeros are what's really offensive,
as if there were going to be hundreds of LMs.
Maybe they were supposed to be.
But in the end, they only needed two to really refine the formula.
Why not?
MP4-12C is pretty poor.
That's bad.
That's pretty bad.
But leading zeros is wild.
Couldn't it have been LM002?
Well, it was supposed to be like a military vehicle.
Maybe that was just what they used in the RP for the government.
Well, that was the Cheetah.
Yeah.
You ever see the Cheetah?
And that was effectively the LM001, I assume.
The Cheetah, though, was open.
It was like a Baja dune buggy.
And then maybe that was the LM001, or there then was an LM001.
But then there's an LM002, and that was it.
They were like, all right, no LM277 needed.
Damn.
What a stupid thing.
You know what would be cool?
If each one had been individually numbered, and that was the number.
Oh, that would have been cool.
That would have been cool.
That was before the era where they could cheat and lie, I guess,
about that one of whatever.
They were going to be able to do that on the blockchain.
LM002 doesn't cheat.
I think it's incredibly cool.
I am surprised to hear that them saying that they're thinking about continuing this.
The Strato was not a success.
They had a hard time selling them out,
and then the used market values have not been strong.
Yeah.
I think it will be a success long term.
I still firmly believe that in 20 years,
people are going to look back at this as the pinnacle hurricane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's emblematic of the times, too.
It just is.
Yeah.
Like this was when off-roading took off, the G-Wagon,
and the Raptor, and all these cars, and there was a V10,
and it was still the last crazy bastion of this.
I agree.
The Tamario is probably the better point than a Rivolto.
I really hope they do a shooting break version of one of these,
who in off-road would be cool.
Off-road shooting break would be super cool.
I guess with the engine back there,
it's going to be a little tricky, but do it anyways.
Yeah, but there are engine shooting breaks.
And by the way, that's right.
Not a shooting break, but it is a hashback.
At that point, it's just body work.
By the way, on this podcast, we only refer to it
as the Lamborghini John Tamarian.
That's right.
There is no.
There's no.
In our hearts and in our minds, there is only one.
There is no.
Tamarario is simply too hard to say.
Right.
And Tamarindo is another one.
Yeah, no.
We've already gotten accustomed to John Tamarian,
and he is in the Lamborghini world.
Right. It just all comes together.
As far as I'm concerned, it's the Lamborghini John Tamarian.
It is.
Storato.
LM003.
I like including the John, too,
in case there's other Tamarians.
Well, I don't want other Tamarians to think
that it was named for them.
I mean, he's got kids.
Well, his dad was involved with Lamborghini, too.
He was no confusion.
The kids and wife were not.
They didn't factor into Lamborghini's decision
to name the car after him.
They wouldn't name it after him,
even if he was a single man.
Anyway, the upshot here is I do think it's crazy
that they don't do it off-road.
Yes.
I think it is truly insane.
Especially they usually do it at the end of the run
to try to push unsullied inventory.
I guess the Urus has just done so well.
They don't really need to help.
It's done well and it continues to do well.
But still, like, give us,
like the G-Wagons doing well,
and they're doing a convertible,
and they still do an off-road of that.
Right.
Right. It doesn't really hamper anything.
Give us an off-road Urus.
That's what you do.
You make an SUV, and it's like,
oh, we're going to do off-road versus the rest sports cars.
Did you consider?
Yeah. I'd like to possibly.
I mean, we want an Olamoo.
We want, like, a real purpose-built Olamoo.
But given that they're almost surely not going to do that,
the next best thing would be, gosh, I want a Olamoo so bad.
It is one of the coolest.
I mean, look at that.
Click on that one.
Click on that one.
I've never met a car that's more,
I know what I got in terms of people selling them.
Yeah.
Like, the asking price is always double
what it really is worth.
And actual sales are way lower.
There is a wide disparity between them.
They point to the one result at a car week last year
and say, all are worth $800.
And it's like, you're lucky to get $400.
Every one sells for $300 to $400, yep.
It is also one of the worst cars.
I've driven them, and it's really bad,
but that wouldn't stop me under any circumstances
from buying it.
Of course not.
It is ponderous, though.
Like, it is such a large vehicle
that it is a ponderous driving thing.
That's weird one-off tires.
It can't drive well.
Yeah. Although you can put,
you don't need to buy those tires.
You can put super swampers on it.
Hell yeah.
Okay, give us our next new story, please.
Ah, yes.
So sticking with exotic cars.
Ferrari has announced that they have added
to the Fiorano test track.
So here's Fiorano, very famous corner.
They've added something that they're calling
the eVortex track.
And the idea with this is they took corners
and more stuff that you find around on normal roads
and added it to this so they can test their concept cars
and not have to go out and do testing on the streets.
Famously, you'd see a lot of very cool concept Ferraris.
Leaving the factory gates,
a lot of car spotters position themselves
around those gates to see Ferrari test these things.
Now you'll need a drone.
Now you'll need a drone.
Or to live in one of those houses over here
where people complain about the noise,
which is unbelievable to me.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
If you ever go on Google satellite
and look at where Fiorano is,
it's just in a neighborhood.
Right, yeah. Exactly.
Like the factory was here,
and then it sort of has expanded over time
to the point where now there are butters.
It's just sort of what they're doing, I guess.
Exactly. But they acquired 37,000 square meters,
which is 9.14 acres to build this.
And it's two kilometers.
370,000 square feet.
You know, that's what I learned.
Square meters to square feet just multiply by 10.
Good to know.
That'll come in handy a lot.
Well, if you're ever trying to buy property in Europe.
Yeah.
So they only listed in square meters.
Yeah.
So there you go.
Good.
Noted.
Why does it have a sand trap?
You know, I've been trying to figure that out.
Maybe it's for the Pure Songway
to test the four-wheel drive system.
I have no idea.
But yeah, it does have a sand trap.
There's no water.
But there are much like these circular like
Yeah, and I noticed there's like lanes up there
and there's like lanes here.
It kind of reminds you of like Pecla
or like one of the Porsche Experience Centers like Skidpad.
Yeah. I wonder if this is for if they're going to test like
autonomous driving stuff with that.
I don't know what they're going to do with it exactly,
but there it is.
So in addition to, you know, of course,
E-Vortex also doesn't roll off a ton of nice stuff.
No, no, E-Vortex is a great name.
You remember the 599 GTB Fiorano?
The next one will be the 784 GTB E-Vortex.
It's so Italian or Philippe would say no.
He's E-Vortex.
Right. He would.
He wouldn't probably roll his eyes and yeah.
Now, he doesn't watch the pod when he's not on it
because he's not in the cars.
He's like, what? I'm going to watch this pod.
I could be watching a pod about cooking.
Maybe if I send it to him over a slack, I'll watch it.
That's possibly true.
But he did leave notes in the pod.
Doc, did you see his like additional comment?
Because he doesn't he's not going to like,
he's not going to follow up.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't have to worry about that.
We don't have to do what he says.
True.
Okay. Give us our next news story.
Yeah. So one last motorsport related thing.
So Porsche has announced that they're pulling out of the WEC,
the World Endurance Championship, which is kind of sad.
They said they are going to continue to focus on IMSA,
which is great, which I'll talk about more
because I'm going to IMSA race very shortly,
but they are going to focus instead on Formula E and IMSA,
but no more competition in WEC, which I think is sad.
And I think that also kind of,
I wonder if that's a little bit related to
their difficult financial times recently,
that they're kind of scaling back some of their efforts
to save a little bit of money.
Or maybe they'll go back to Formula One
like they did in my Carrera GT.
They've said that, well, I'm right. Exactly.
As a manufacturer for engines that they were so bad at
that that engine never went into Formula One car.
The Carrera GT is basically a Formula One car for the road.
Right. Said every automotive journalist ever.
The Carrera GT is essentially a Formula One engine
and strapped to a Formula One superstructure
with some body work to please people.
I don't have the energy for this.
Yeah. But it makes me sad.
I want to see Porsche competing in the pinnacle of Mersporc,
but it's not a surprise necessarily.
We don't think Formula One is the pinnacle of Mersporc.
Well, it's Formula E, not exactly a pinnacle of anything.
Well, no, I know, but Formula, you're saying
you want to see Porsche compete in the pinnacle of Mersporc?
Right. Isn't that where you want to see them compete?
Yes and no. I mean, I like seeing them at Le Mans racing against Ferrari.
It's like the old days. It's like, it's nice to see them there.
But yeah, we're not in the old days.
The new days are Formula One, dude, with a halo.
That's what we watch.
That's a marketing exercise.
The WEC audience has to be super niche.
They clearly know about Porsche.
But other than that, yeah.
But I guess it's not a surprise because both Audi and Lamborghini,
but also not the same umbrella, also had pulled out.
Ferrari beat them last year?
Yeah, and you're a Ferrari and you're a Ferrari loser.
Three years in a row.
Ferrari beat them so bad they quit.
Yeah.
That's everyone's dream.
I don't want to just win.
I want to win so bad you quit in shape.
Well, Ferrari had to win something.
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All right, next, Seustor, do we have any more?
No, that's the end of the news.
Thank God we have so much to cover this week.
For example, I still want an Arena Red 993 Twin Turbo.
Nick, do you have any thoughts on this?
You haven't been on the pods since we've been talking about this.
I think this is the most bizarre way to do a wanted-to-buy ad.
You need to go on Red Lester.
Using a boxed car model on a video podcast.
Yes, not a very scalable tactic, anyways.
No, no. Someone sent us this and it got my wheels a turn in.
And then I did this video.
I don't know, maybe it's already posted.
Maybe it has.
I don't know.
If not, it's your little preview.
I did this video on cars I should have bought.
And I remember the time I should have bought Morgan Freeman's 993 Turbo,
which turned out to not be Morgan Freeman,
the actor, but a different fellow.
And I passed on it for that reason.
But in retrospect, who cares?
Yeah.
Right.
I can't believe.
She just bought the damn car.
I can't believe you had a John Voight's LaBarrean experience
in your actual life.
This is pretty incredible for those who are Seinfeld fans out there.
It's exactly what it was.
The difference is I didn't buy the car.
And I should have.
And George shouldn't have bought the car and he did.
I am happy you're back on cars.
You're back on buying cars.
Ready to buy a twin turbo.
You're admitting to being a Porsche guy.
I haven't heard from the fellow who rolled back the odometer.
He said he'd check and call me right back.
And that was two weeks ago.
We're still waiting on that call.
Still waiting.
He must be, you know.
Sir, sir, are you too busy rolling back odometers?
To call me.
Maybe he's busy rolling it forward now.
Well, that's what he should be doing.
That's what he should be doing, but he's not.
To match his service records that in his ad,
they said they went back to new.
And there were six total service records,
including none between like 2000 and 2017.
Some dealers.
Yeah.
Some dealers, but not the brilliant ones on cars and bids.
Of course not.
Kind of really mean that though.
I've been thinking about it more.
And like the dealers who sell on the auction sites
understand that like there's a brain trust.
That's looking.
And you have to, it only benefits you to be transparent.
And so, and a lot of them are and are very engaged in the comments
and like are sending pictures.
They buy the cars with that in mind.
Like when they go out and get the cars,
they're not trying to ham it up.
Like if a car doesn't have those service records,
they negotiate that into the deal.
And then that's something they disclose on the site.
And it makes them see more transparent, which they are.
Whereas like by the car and just lie,
oh, it has service records to new and just try to convince like a
trying to sell your cars at top dollar to unsophisticated buyers
is a strategy.
But like probably kind of a sucky one.
I was trying to buy or have been chatting with a dealer that is an SLR.
They have no service records.
So I'm like, can you hunt them down for me?
Can you do this?
That they won't do anything.
And then they automated text me,
would you like a virtual test drive?
And it's like, gosh, you have zero idea how to sell this car.
You would love a virtual test drive.
But what is that?
It makes no sense.
Speaking of that, Nick, let's talk about SLRs for a minute.
What's the situation there?
Well, we'll have to wait and see for sure.
But I was on the pod about two weeks ago.
Yeah.
And like you, I did a wanted to buy ad during the talk car segment.
This is what we're going to use the pod for now.
For the way of the source of vehicles to a certain Tyler Hoover in Kansas.
Let's just say we've been texting.
Wow.
Are we going to break any ground here on the pod?
Wait, wait, wait, let me let me ask it.
Let me ask the question a slightly different way.
Are we selling the Mercia Lago?
We are selling the Mercia Lago.
Okay, so if we were to make some conclusions here.
If you could probably say.
Watch on Nick's YouTube channel for a full conclusion.
I'm going to gatekeep this, but there's a decent chance
that I'm getting a fire damage SLR in the near,
in the next week or so.
Okay, nice job, Nick.
Way to keep that done.
Wait on Nick's YouTube channel.
And maybe he will have some sort of explanation
of what's happening on the YouTube channel.
The commenters so far are all saying
selling the Mercia for an SLR is a terrible idea.
The Mercia is way cooler.
I actually kind of agree with them,
but once you've had a car for three years,
you check the boxes.
The thing that the commenters don't understand
when they say that is like ultimately, at some point,
you're just ready for a new experience.
And yeah, I think the Mercia is cool in the SLR, I agree.
But like you, how many miles do you put on the Mercia?
Yeah, 6,000, something over three years.
6,000 miles, did Car Week, did a manual swap.
We've done everything.
We did the race track with it.
We've done a million mountain drives.
Like at some point, it's like, well, I kind of did this stuff
and I'm not looking to like be a collector and just add.
I wish I could, but yeah, honestly, what happened was
a few people got into my head and started,
made private offers off market for it.
And they were good enough that I was like, wow,
this could unlock some funds and make it so that I could
go to the next vehicle.
And then we were at Car Week and talking about SLRs.
And I realized basically the offers I was getting
and the amount I would have to pay for an SLR are
simpatico, so that I wouldn't have to spend any money out of pocket.
I just, yeah, I'm excited for you to eventually get an SLR,
whatever SLR it may be.
Whatever one, you don't know.
I just, I'm curious how long that sticks around.
It might not be that long.
I totally, everybody is so negative about this.
I think it's going to be cool.
I think you are going to really enjoy it.
It does not drive as well as a mid-engine supercar,
but it has some really cool benefits, including high speed.
And it looks crazy.
That's my biggest fear with him is that this is a very, very fast car.
I am so worried.
I'm going to jail.
Yeah, that's honestly not.
Also, I've just learned from my own Countach experience
that when people online say stuff about cars,
their experience is usually either zero or basically zero.
Yeah, I agree.
Owning a vehicle, like I own the Countach, did 2,500 miles,
have the, spent the time.
You really start to develop a different relationship with the car
than if you like took it on a test drive or,
or in the case of all the YouTube commenters,
simply parroted what they've heard in other people's content.
Right. I've driven one and it is very cool and enormously powerful.
Yeah.
It's very impressive.
I do like Sledgehammers as a vehicle genre, you know.
As do I.
Ton of power, kind of big, hard to toss around.
Like crazy looking.
Like if I saw an SL, I mean, if I see a Mercy on the road,
it's a big deal and I take a picture and I look.
If I see an SL on the road, I lose it.
Like I absolutely would lose it.
I haven't seen one on the road randomly and I don't know how long.
Well, there were a few when I lived in Atlanta,
there were a few people.
It is wild to look shopping at these.
And I've literally contacted every single one for sale,
many of which have sold months ago and the dealer just keeps them up.
But most of them have under 10 car miles.
And I would say more than half of them have under like 3,000 miles.
They do not get driven.
Maybe that's because they're not that great to drive.
Maybe again, again, people pair it.
People have not spent time.
I've driven the car.
But like I said, there's a different experience.
I know I haven't owned it.
There's a different experience that happens when you've spent two seconds in a car
versus when you've actually had the ability to, hey, I own this,
I have plates on this, I can go hard into this corner.
I can do a little traffic.
But if you would go on a mountain drive and not feel worried because it's my car.
If it were true that it were so great to drive,
surely they'd be more with, I don't know, more than 5,000 miles.
I'll tell you something.
The greatest driving car in history, the Carrera GT.
And by the way, verified that this morning.
Good luck finding one of those with over 5,000 miles.
I searched far and wide when I got the money.
I had a pretty significant time window after we took the investment.
I was willing to wait up to six days in order to spend all of the money on a car.
And we looked and it ain't easy to find a Carrera GT with over 10,000 miles.
How many SLRs do they build?
Do you know?
Not counting like 3,000 right?
I looked it up.
I know the roadsters are about, I want to say it was like 1,300 coupes and about 6,000 roadsters.
21,57 total.
Total.
Is that counting 722 and Stirling Moss?
It's counting all of them, including the Stirling Moss.
21,57 total.
Well, nonetheless, I think it is.
12,62 coupes.
We'll have to watch it all again together.
But I did go back and watch the Top Gear episode when they raced it from London to Oslo,
which is nuts, from Heathrow to Oslo.
And when they did the first thing around the Top Gear track,
it overtook the Mercia logo as the fastest lap time around the Top Gear track.
Yeah, so it feels very fitting that that's...
What overtook the SLR?
Carrera GT.
I didn't watch.
You get one?
I did.
I think Carrera GT was tested before the SLR was.
Carrera GT was faster than the SLR.
I think they complained about the traction control system a lot on the SLR.
Yeah, they complained.
That's what they do.
Remember the SL65?
You're going to have a great time with it.
I totally disagree.
I think I can't wait to see it.
I can't wait either.
I have not driven one and I haven't seen one in a little while, so...
Well, I'm excited to...
I'll follow...
I know you, so I'll follow your experience in person,
but also follow it on your YouTube channel.
Thank you.
All right.
This is exciting.
I'm excited for you.
I want to talk multiple.
Tell me the situation with the multiple.
It's legal?
It's legal.
We got license plates in the mail, including one for the A2.
So that is a positive thing.
But the paperwork really wasn't too terrible.
But it's about a month, I would say,
since you and I picked it up at the port.
Does that sound right?
How many miles have you driven illegally?
I've driven it...
All of them.
Almost every day.
With a zip-tied Montana plate from a long ago vehicle.
Well, for me, our nage.
But yes, it's...
Well, now it's a paper plate,
which I think is even sketchier somehow.
But a legal one.
Yeah, at least have registration if I got pulled over.
But yeah, no, they processed it pretty quick.
Like, the checklist was true to form.
It wasn't too terrible.
It just took a while to get the customs forms
from the actual customs people.
So the multiple is registered.
Did you end up having to pay tariffs?
So far, no.
I have heard of people that like two months later,
they get hit with something.
But Rami, who helped us import it,
is confident based on all the ones he's done that we shouldn't.
And his interpretation of it.
And so far, we've paid 3% duty.
But that's it.
Which is normal.
Knock on wood.
Interesting.
So the multiple is registered.
We can drive it around.
You drove it here today.
I noticed it's parked outside.
Yeah, did you see the zip tie door handle, too?
What did you do?
I broke the door handle with Canon.
Yep.
And one in Long Beach.
I tried plastic welding and JB welding,
and I can't get it back together.
So I just have the little, the metal pull up there.
I put a zip tie so that I can kind of yank on it
and use it as a door handle.
It's like.
I have one coming from Europe,
but we'll see how long it takes.
It's a very lightweight solution in the meantime.
It's like a boxer spider, you know?
I mean, no one's stealing that thing.
It's got a manual.
Good luck.
Can we talk about the mercy?
So the multiply is here.
The next generation of cars is starting to arrive.
The multiply may be an SLR.
We don't know.
We don't know for God's sake.
It could be anything.
It could be.
It might be an SLR.
An SL65, which has more horsepower and torque.
He's like sad about this now.
I know.
I should have figured that out in advance.
I could have saved money.
We'll talk about R230.
You could have an SL65 black.
You know what I'm actually in the market for?
Third wanted to buy out a Silver R63.
I want to build the ultimate two car combo
for Silver Mercedes of 2008.
If anyone has an unmodded, ideally.
You're going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
Two questions for you.
First off, 2008, I thought all the SLRs were 050607
unless you're referring to a specific one.
Well, anything of that run is fine.
R63 is not that great to drive.
No, there is a multiply.
Well, you have an owned one, so maybe you don't know.
No, no, I drove one once seven years ago,
and that makes me an expert.
And I'm going to go into every YouTube comment section
and talk about it.
No, you guys had a nice one that had a Weistak supercharger.
That's what I should have gotten.
But yeah, nothing like supercharger in the headbolt motor.
I want to talk, though, about the Mercedes.
So you're going to you're going to sell the Mercedes
on cars.
I am.
It should be live Thursday, right?
Yeah, yeah, Thursday.
If this pub goes up on Friday, yes, the following Thursday.
Yes, and you are reviewing it, I've been told.
I'm going to drive it tomorrow, film it tomorrow.
I can't wait.
Very excited.
I'm excited to get your feedback on the converted Mercedes
since you've driven both stick and e-gear.
I obviously am thrilled with it, but I'm super biased.
It's my car.
I've driven a Stick 03.
I've driven a Roadster tip.
Yep.
And I've driven a LP640 Coupe tip.
So I am curious also.
But the most thing I'm curious about is
it'll be the first converted Mercedes
to sell publicly, at least that I'm aware of.
No, I mean the first public sale.
There may have been private sales, but period.
No, I can't find any.
I'm not aware of any if there are certainly comment.
But the delta between an OE Mercy and an e-gear Mercy
has always been like two to three X.
So where does a converted car hit in that spectrum?
Right.
I will tell you, I've gotten a few offers off-market
that were pretty strong.
And frankly, maybe I should have taken.
Again, that's what kickstarted this all.
But I do think it'll be fun to see how it does
where it's a competitive environment
and people will bid to what they're comfortable with.
We'll find out.
The market will tell us.
There's certainly no more well-documented one
in terms of all the YouTube content.
Unlike some other cars, you know what you're getting.
I did find one converted car for sale at a dealer.
But they couldn't even tell you who did it.
Like they knew nothing.
There was no receipts, no records.
I wouldn't touch that.
It could be some dude's cousin.
I would touch it at the right number.
But yeah, I totally agree.
It won't bring value if you can't even.
If you can't document it all.
You did it.
Machina did it.
An esteemed conversion shop.
Well, not just that.
I mean, I have all my service records.
I have service records from the previous owner.
Again, a mercy part of what holds back the values
is everyone's terrified of maintenance costs.
My assumption is because you've done
probably 1,100 miles in it too since the conversion.
1,600.
1,600.
That's also, in my opinion, a huge benefit.
Like there's some proof of concept.
We've shook it out.
If there was going to be an issue, it would present.
I didn't just convert this car to then flip it for sale.
I converted it, drove it.
I mean, 600 miles is real.
Did you have any issues with it in that?
Did you have to do any adjustments?
The intake air temperature came off
of its little plastic bushing.
It was resting on the engine and occasionally getting too hot.
I don't think that was the conversion fault.
I think either shipping it or just driving the crap out of it.
I literally just fastened it back in
and cleared the code and it was fine.
It was fine.
1,600 miles since the conversion.
That's about as many miles as it would take
to drive from Wichita on to San Diego.
Yeah, I'm not doing that drive.
Why would you have to do that drive, Nick?
Stop wearing crappy shirts and try true classic.
True classic are the guys who set out to make
premium comfortable clothing without the designer price tag.
I'm crazy, Nick, and I am wearing head to toe true classic
because I like simple, easy stuff that I don't have to think about
while my mind is having ADD issues,
wondering where my multiply is,
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Lamborghini supercars will one day be valued and considered
as the Ferrari supercars.
The Lambo supercar collection will be the Mura, the Countach,
the Diablo, and the Mercy all gated manuals.
If you have those four, it will be someday akin to having the 288.
Ferrari has now fractured it and it's too difficult to figure out
what's what in the Ferrari supercar world.
As far as I'm concerned, collecting Ferrari supercars is over.
It ended with the LaFerrari.
If some are going to say, oh, the F80, but then do we count the SP3?
And I guarantee you there's more money grabs coming.
I promise you.
Because I think the SP3 is cooler than the F80 or the LaFerrari,
and it's just as expensive and has the same powertrain.
So how does that not count?
And then the supercar collection gets murky, right?
As far as I'm concerned, Ferrari, it's over it.
Ended with the LaFerrari, there were five.
Lambo is is the big five, the big four Lambo's, all with the
Bitzerini engine and all gated.
That's going to be the next big thing to collect the big four.
So is it going to be the best versions of all this?
So is it like we'll see how it will see how it's down draft,
Kuntas, I don't know, some version of the double.
My crystal ball is not quite as clear as you want it to be.
It's a little bit cloudy in there.
But this is the future of the the collecting thing.
And I will tell you also, I think that Porsche 959 Creer GT and
918 is the beginning of a Porsche run of supercars.
And someday, very annoying rich people will have the Ferrari
section of their garage with the big five, the Lamborghini section
with the big four, and the Porsche section with where now
the big three and presumably will be more.
You're missing the most important one, though.
NSXs.
No, the McLaren run, the F1, the SLR and the P1.
All three made by McLaren, the McLaren factory
at extremely limited numbers that are halo cars.
Thank you.
I would drop the mic, but it's on a boom.
I'm going to tell you this.
The SLR will never be in a garage with any of the
collections I'm referring to.
Anyway, that is my Lamborghini Supercar Bitzerini engine.
I co-sign.
I think you're right.
I think the Lamborghinis replaced the Ferrari for a younger
generation.
It really is only the Bitzerini cars.
It's not, yeah, because they're only came as manuals.
Or you can get them all as a manual.
It is the Bitzerini engine cars and only the gated ones.
Like, I think that will be like the collection to have.
Yep.
Which obviously is all mirrors and contaches.
But I think I do think that it will be probably people wanting
to do it best will want to pursue the best of the best.
So, yeah, mirror SV, contache, either a periscope or a
downdraft, mercy, I don't know, a gated SV, if you can find
the three of them that exist, or at least an LP640.
And then Diablo SE30 probably.
Or the LP650.
Is there a manual LP650?
I don't know.
Probably not.
I don't think they offer that with a manual.
They're easier on me.
I can't believe you just 580 shame me, though.
Well, I blame myself.
Yeah.
Because I don't have a downdraft.
Josaki told me that without a downdraft, I am nothing.
I am no one.
You won't impress any of your friends.
My friends will not be impressed.
And he's right.
He's right.
Tenon's like, oh, you know what?
You got a downdraft?
We're a loser?
That's nonsense.
Get us.
We do tune you out.
Quite a bit.
What's that?
We do tune you out quite a bit.
You know, it's interesting that Josaki told me
my friends wouldn't respect him.
But instead, I think that actually changed the way
that we respect Josaki, that comment.
I think it had that effect.
I do want a 993 turbo.
Can Joe or someone help me out with that?
How do I get into this?
Can I open this next week?
Ken, and you got any cars?
Yes.
So as I mentioned, I'm going to Rotamera or Rot, Atlanta
to take part in the Petit Le Mans.
Felipe and I will both be there.
We're going to be there for the cars and coffee event
on the main event itself is on Saturday.
And that's when we'll be there to hang out with people.
We'll be all around the track.
We have a schedule that's coming out.
So you can come up and say hello.
What kind of cars are going to be at this?
So we put a thing out on the community tab.
So people could submit their cars.
We had a certain number of spots, I think 50 or so.
And it was incredible, the response.
We got some wild cars.
You got an F-50 GT?
As a matter of fact, yes.
No, of course not.
F-50.
No, we did get some really good stuff.
What about a Blackwood?
You got a Blackwood coming?
No, I wish we had a Blackwood coming.
Can I ask you a question about this?
It's going to be at Rot, Atlanta.
You can go meet Ken, and he says what's going to be there
is cars, coffee, and race day energy.
Ken, tell us what is your race day energy like?
I'll tell you what.
When the Valkyrie goes by and I hear that NAV12 screaming,
I am pumped.
So I'm ready.
It's like a 12-hour, 15-hour, 18-hour race.
It is 10 hours.
Yes, it starts at 12, 10 in the afternoon
and goes until 10, 10 p.m.
And we will be there for all of it.
You are going to be at this thing for the entire race?
And I have to help set up.
So I'll be there at 7 a.m.
But surely Filippo won't be.
No, Filippo said that he won't be.
Think about it.
Well, I mean, yeah, but he used to take slack breaks.
That's like sleeping for him.
He'll sleep.
He'll go into one of the team's buses and sleep.
Yeah, he'll sleep on a jackstand somewhere.
He's just like, yeah, he will be there.
I will be there.
What are you driving in Atlanta?
I'm not driving anything.
Silverado?
I've been driving around.
Filippo meanwhile is driving an Aston Martin.
I know he is, but are you driving a Silverado or what?
I wish I were driving a Silverado.
No, that's how I was in Atlanta.
I rented a X7 on Turro.
Wow.
I also rented a BMW last time I was in Atlanta.
Which one?
The, it was a fake Alpina 7 series.
That's Atlanta.
All right.
Ken and I want to talk about Harry and the 2-2-2-2-0.
You can do it or I can do it, but we can do it.
Oh, I will halfway talk about it.
So our collective hero, Harry Magda.
The greatest car YouTuber.
Yep, with a, I, yeah.
I would definitely say so.
Recently drove a 250 GTO.
How does this only have 360, 70,000 views?
Because people are tasteless and need to wake up a bit
to the good content that's being produced.
You tasteless people.
This is good content.
No, not our viewers, of course, but like, you know, but Harry,
so Harry did a video talking about the 250 GTO.
He got to drive.
It's a series two Drago body car.
And he got to drive around in this because he was helping move
a series of cars to an event.
So it was this, a series one GTO, I think a D type
and a 250, a 58 haunting body, Tester Rosa.
And did you watch this video?
You should watch it.
I can't British people.
I just sound to their voice.
I can't pay attention.
Who do you think made the SLR that you may or may not be buying?
He's like soft spoken.
And I just, I can't get back to British people.
I need jump cuts and like shouting.
And ideally, that's exactly why we love it.
Ideally, what?
I need like whistled diesel level of stimulus.
We love Harry. There's no jump cuts.
There's no shouting.
The production called is laughable.
It's just facts.
It's just information.
It's just facts.
I mean, look, we're looking at what Nick wants is no facts
and only entertainment.
If you start throwing facts at Nick, it causes a problem.
But the most important part of this video to me is Harry drives the car
and he put a camera in it to go drive to move his cars around.
I haven't yet actually watched the drive.
I just thought, I just thought he was explaining.
I mean, this actually, this like learned a couple of things in this.
Yeah.
One is that like, you often say it's like, oh, you won't be impressed
with the performance of a 250GTO for the money.
It's like, no, but I'll tell you what, the experience even from the camera is.
And to be clear, I only say that when people talk about how an SL65
is more powerful than an SLR.
And it's like, okay, there's more to a car than just the power level.
I'm sure the experience is unbelievable.
It's just, it was a pleasure to watch.
This video was incredible.
I couldn't, I was so grateful.
But the thing I noticed is like, and Harry mentions it,
it really was a race car for the like, look how thin the like,
when he drives over bumps, you see the roof go like this.
Like it moves, which is, I mean, you can kind of see it there.
Like it's just like bouncing around the car is cabin.
You're up there.
You're, oh, you only have the basics.
It's hot.
No, there's theometer.
There's the lightning bolt symbol, which appears on race cars.
Yeah.
One thing I didn't realize that Harry told me and others,
but I think it was mostly geared to me was that the us a few of the 62 cars
were rebodied to 64s.
I thought all the 64s were newly built.
No.
And then the 62s were themselves,
but keeping this car, he said, I think.
Yes, this car, that's correct.
This car was rebodied as a drag or body car, which is,
which the things I realized that, and which is an interesting point
and unfortunate because the series one is so pretty and the series two is not.
Yeah.
But the things that he points out, which I think is fascinating is that like,
they really took the 250 LM.
Yes.
It looks like an LM.
The rear really looked, that looks like a 250 if you just looked at it from here.
Not the nice, I mean, the 2DLM was a mid-engine car.
So doing the look on a front engine car is odd.
Right.
It's like the mirror.
This is kind of their transition.
The 64s never look good, but I understand why they're just as appealing now
having watched this video.
Right.
It's so interesting and everybody should go watch it.
If you're all interested in vintage cars.
You're never going to get 250 GTO, the most expensive car in the world,
and the most desirable car from the most desirable brand.
You're never going to get coverage of it from anybody else.
I will never do a video on it too.
It's just never going to occur.
I don't know that I'd even want the risk, honestly.
When I did Leno's McLaren, he was like, you can't drive it.
I was like, thank God, let alone this.
I mean, I, I knew, I also, I had.
Harry can do it though.
Of course.
I, I found out, or I thought about this like, you know, he has 376,000 views only.
But I had a feeling in Harry's end of the year wrap up when he talks about his videos
because he goes through his analytics, you know, around Christmas time.
I had a feeling this video would, it's like,
what do you have to do to make a popular YouTube video?
He drove a 250 GTO, a car no one gets to drive.
And it only did this number of views.
And I'm sure something about, it'll be like, it'll be something about like eco-friendly fuels
or something that will.
Or how many views did your Ferrari 360 putting a TV on the roof get?
Even beyond that, I got, and I'm not trying to compete with Harry,
because I think that Harry's content is truly peerless.
But I got 465,000 views doing the Lucid Gravity.
Now he's only been up for three days, but you, this is one of the reasons I don't do old cars.
This is one of the reasons I do, I remember, I'll never forget when I went to Dubai
and I filmed an Espada and a 250 Luson and a boxer and a Yorama and some Maserati.
The Ghibli, it was a Ghibli.
It was a Maserati Ghibli.
It was a Ghibli.
Yeah.
And yeah, there's the Maserati video.
I filmed those five kind of famous Italian exotic cars.
And then at the very end, because I had one extra slot to film,
the guy who worked at the dealership also owned a Hyundai Equus that was pre-US market,
like it was a 90s Hyundai Equus.
I filmed that and that one did the best.
And it just proves to me, proved to me that the audience isn't there even if you have a 250 GTO.
Which is, but for those of us who appreciate it and are like...
You will never get a more in-depth look.
No, it was extraordinary.
Extraordinary.
Go watch that video.
Watch Nick's, go on Nick's YouTube.
Forget about my stuff.
Go on Nick's YouTube channel.
Find out his SLR thing.
We don't know.
I should say that that might be the best video I've seen, the 250 GTO in recent memory.
There is the petrolicious one of seven minutes of it uninterrupted at full speed,
being driven really hard.
That might be the best.
Have you, has Harry done an SLR?
I'm sure he has.
I believe he did.
I don't watch SLR content.
Obviously, you should watch that because that'll be a good video.
Like a good intro to the SLR.
Harry's good.
You know who had a totally unrelated here, but you know how it's really hard to do good YouTube
content of people driving on a track or just driving in general?
Oh, that's true.
He did the MSO one.
Oh, cool.
Big Time did one on a 90s Emsa race car that they bought.
The way that they cut it and the sounds of just like the raw cut,
sequential gearbox and everything, they actually did a really good job at making you feel like
you're racing with them.
I got to watch it.
Just watch that.
You can skip the rest.
Well, Big Time's supportive of Big Time, of course, as is Kenan.
Of course.
We get a new market report.
I don't want to talk too much about it because we're pushing time here and we have to take
questions which were brilliant this week and some of them are even geared toward Nick.
Wow.
But let's talk about market report starting with the 1M.
Yes.
So we often talked about the BMW 1M that the market has been strong, but it clearly is
really strong.
So this one had, this is a Valencia Orange car, which is the color, but it was one owner.
It had 24,000 miles on it, which for one of these is a decent amount.
You see them with 10 sometimes.
It's still transactive for $72,000, which is a ton.
Sticker was what, 50?
Probably.
55.
I think you have something like that.
Actually, it probably is a picture.
It's crazy to me especially that this car is so desired.
There you go.
You have 246.
Boom. Who knows this BMW?
It's crazy to me that these cars are still so valuable, especially because
it was followed up with a car that was more powerful, still had a manual.
They did a CS version of the next gen.
They did a competition version of the next gen.
Like everything that they, usually when a car becomes valuable, it's because the next
gen screwed up things like the 4GT for being serious.
The new one is a tip, is a turbo, is a V6, and that has vaunted the old one.
This car, that wasn't the case.
BMW followed this up with a car that is by all measures better.
However, the market is just in love with this car.
Well, yeah.
I mean, this one is just kind of cool.
And I agree.
I'm in love with it too.
But the SL65 versus SLR argument, it's more than just what it is on paper.
That's right.
It is more than just what it is on paper.
It is a special car in a way that is not just about the way it steers and handles and feels.
I love the way it drives.
That over boost function that kicks into is so cool.
It just does it automatically.
I think it's if you're full throttle, uses the throttle position sensor,
and it will give you, I think it's like seven seconds of over boost.
Seven seconds, yeah.
Yeah, it's impressive.
And so I think if you have one, I really like these cars.
Yep, I do too.
We've sold quite a few, 16 of them.
And I drove this one.
Is this on your list?
Wonderful.
No, this is too refined for Nick.
Yeah, it's too nice.
Our mutual friend, Mark, has had what, two, three, something like that.
It does seem like the people that buy them to get really into them, like cult following.
They sell them, they regret them, they immediately buy a nicer one.
That's a very normal thing to do here.
It is a really, really, really special car.
Special, cool, and the values reflect that.
It's funny when I bought my TTRS, I thought, oh, this will be the 1M.
It'll get a cult following.
And TTRS, for some reason, never had the same effect that the 1M did,
even though they were both special, enthusiast-only vehicles,
certain low production manual.
Yeah, that is a little odd when you think about it,
because TTRS was probably similar production numbers.
It was also based on a car where the regular one was not a mate,
I mean, not that special.
It was also, it was one year, right, 12?
12 and 13, I want to say.
Yeah, it's kind of weird that these cars never really took off at the same level.
Yeah, and same with the one that followed it was quote-unquote better,
but the old one was more special.
This is when there was a Facebook petition from Audi to bring this to America,
clearly a marketing ploy, but at the same time like...
I think that might be the difference.
This car was always viewed as a skunk works car that was never supposed to exist,
and that made it really cool, and then BMW made it.
And same thing with the Z3M coupe.
That car was never supposed to exist.
It was something that engineers did in this spare time,
and kind of added to the allure.
Yeah, that was that.
And that still is brought up when people talk about the 1M,
as it was like this car that was kind of cobbled together,
but that almost made it like...
It was the best parts of what is one of the best M cars,
the E9XM3 is a fantastic car.
Yeah.
Put that in a much smaller package.
And it reminds us all of the 2002 and the E30,
and I think that that also plays a role.
And it was at that time when cars were beginning to get bigger and heavier,
and it was like the last car all.
We talk about the mid-2000s,
but there were a few cars that sort of carried it on even beyond that,
and this was one of them.
This car did not come from the mid-2000s, but it has that ethos.
Mainly only.
I'm going to tell you a story about the 1M that I may have told you before,
but I don't think I've told this pod.
The first time I ever drove one.
Have I ever told you this?
I don't think so.
At Porsche, we would occasionally do...
I have a picture of it in here somewhere.
We would occasionally do swaps with other automakers.
I'm trying to find the date.
So they could drive our product and we could drive their product.
Honestly, it's probably illegal and collusory.
But we would do it.
At some point, BMW sent us a Valencia Orange 1M.
I'm trying to find the picture here, the exact date, but here it is.
I got it in March 6, 2012 for one night.
One night.
It went around the office.
There was no reason for me to drive it other than the people who were in power of these cars
knew I was an enthusiast and thought I would like it.
And so I got it March 6, 2012 for one night.
Here's a picture of my friend Andrew driving the car for the one night.
We're at a gas station.
We probably drove it and pulled an all-nighter in the car.
And I absolutely fell in love with the car that one night.
And I remember March 2012, at that time, there were still allocations available.
And I can't remember if someone from our office did it
or a friend of someone from our office did it,
but went through someone we knew at Porsche who knew a BMW person and got it in an allocation.
And she said she, Patty, the person who was the BMW go-between,
she was like, if you want one.
And I was like, I don't know, that's 50 grand, I'm not sure.
It would have been cool.
It would have been cool.
Roughly what they sell for now.
Yeah, these nice ones even more, obviously.
Yeah, they just really have not.
I mean, this guy bought this and it was $55,000 in the car there,
drove it 43,500 miles and sold it for 50 grand.
Yeah, I mean, they just aren't that many modern cars.
You can do that.
I still remember that one night.
I've driven them several since then, but that one night was like all I really needed
to understand just how special that car was.
And this was coming from at the time.
I drove a lot of Porsches very frequently.
And it was clear to me then that it was a really special.
I love the one night impression.
I remember when Chris Harris had a Veyron for a night and he did it in Germany.
And he took it in southern Germany, where you have the true deerstricted Autobahn.
And he took that and it was a 997, I think, .1 GT3 RS.
And that was the chase car.
And he said, there's great video of it, or he just lays into,
I think he did 220 miles an hour on public roads with him,
which probably was maybe Bugatti didn't want him to do, but he did it anyway.
But the Porsche just like, it's just not even close.
So it was like a great demonstration, but it was all night.
He just drove it all night.
They do to have a Vey to just drive around.
That'd be a good podcast question.
You can only have a car for one night.
You can never own it or drive it again.
Selena seven would be mine.
But like you'd pick a car you wouldn't want to be stuck with,
but really want to experience.
Yeah, man, that's a great question.
That is a great question.
Speaking of questions next week.
No, I want to talk about there's two more market report cars I want to talk about.
One is the C4 ZR1.
I'll let you talk about it.
Oh yeah.
So this is not a very me car at all.
I have to say, but I adore the C4 ZR1 because of the LT5.
The engine in this car was so ahead of its time.
And Corvette hasn't done another engine like it since.
And I have just loved these cars.
I think they're really special.
There aren't that many of them.
And I think they're really cool.
But they are such a value and everybody sleeps on them.
This isn't like a early C4s aren't the best cars.
These cars were amazing.
And I think that they really are undervalued for what they are.
I mean, they sell for 20 grand all day long.
That purple one.
This one here.
Red one.
Yeah.
This picture.
This is a picture of the Midwest.
A poorly maintained road, a C4 Corvette, and personal watercraft on a lake.
That is a photograph of the Midwest.
Yeah, which Midwestern state is it from?
New York.
It's in New York.
Wow, famed Midwestern state.
Yeah.
But I mean, the spirit of it.
The spirit of the picture is where Nick and I are.
He was trying to capture that because he knew his buyer was going to be in Indiana.
Right.
And he knew he's only got so many days.
He even put, if you go to the rear, he even put a Michigan plate on it.
Then the famous one with the car.
C4 ZR1 is pretty cheap.
I've never driven one to know if it's good, but it is cheap.
That motor.
Another plug to a random YouTube channel.
But Amo NYC just had one on their channel last weekend.
Barn fine covered in like rat poop and all that.
And watching them wash it and polish it, it's black.
So satisfying.
The later ones seem cooler.
I mean, you mentioned that, you know, early ZR1s kind of suck.
Truthfully, the early C4s, not ZR1s.
Truthfully, the early ZR1s were actually pretty early in the C4 run.
They were 1990 ones kind of, but later they did eventually,
they did go with the ZR1 all the way through the end,
where it kind of got better looking and probably got tighter.
They got a lot more modern looking, that's for sure.
Yeah.
I just really like these cars.
This is a Corvette I would actually genuinely consider owning.
This in the C506 or like the.
I want a C4 Grand Sport.
Can you pull up a C4 Grand Sport just so I can look at it?
I'm not even going to talk about it.
We'll do it on another pot.
We'll just look at it.
I just want to look at it for just a minute.
Grand Sport.
Wasn't there one without the D though at some point?
Oh, I think this car is the coolest looking Corvette.
That's a picture of the mid-west.
Truly believe.
Yeah.
March.
Truly believe this is the coolest looking Corvette of all time.
Was that Grand Turismo?
All time.
You think the C2 split window is.
Oh, C2.
Yeah.
Okay.
C2 split window followed by this.
Oh, get the dog.
There's a dog.
I just think the C4 Grand Sport is like a truly.
Was that a beautifully perfect car?
A male dog or female dog?
And it was 96 only.
It was the last model year of the C4.
So that was like the best of breed.
Oh, it is.
I want one of those.
Damn, it is cool.
Why don't I have one of those?
Because you got to lift stuff.
Yeah, it's time to make a list and start going after some cars.
Okay.
Last thing I want to talk about is the mid-engine GTI.
Back on cars.
Yeah, this car.
Back on cars, baby.
Back on cars.
This one was a bit of a surprise.
It feels like it's up your alley.
Did you see this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This, I have no words for this exactly.
So recently someone sold this as a, so someone sold a GTI on the site.
Oh, I didn't see the result.
Where they put the engine in the middle.
So this is the front.
You can see no motor up here because it lives back here.
Look at that.
It's a homemade R5 turbo.
It is.
That's cool.
With the vents, if another 20 grand had gone into this build,
you could have made it look factory.
Like obviously that doesn't really, I like that.
But you could have painted that and made it look a little nicer,
dressed it up a little bit.
But otherwise, the car looks pretty factory.
I mean, there's some pretty big giveaways.
I'd say it's a sleeper build in general.
There's some pretty big giveaways.
But it sold for $9,700.
I think this is an unbelievably cool car for that kind of car.
I saw this come in when I was doing the dog's take.
And I was like, wait, what?
Did the comments say how you got California license plates on this?
Because yeah, I think that's impressive.
There's a guy named Big Rick.
Bubba.
And he's got a smog shop out somewhere out east of San Bernardino County.
And anyway, he's got California plates on him.
He's got a GTI.
Wow.
There's Mark 6 GTappens to be like, you know, I mean,
if it gets plugged in, there's another one.
Big Rick happens to also have a GTI.
Hey, man.
Impressive.
Yeah.
But I just thought this was like the coolest thing.
I thought I was going to go for way more to be honest.
Yeah.
Because you really never know what these oddball builds.
You know, I wasn't surprised to see this result.
I think that it's you're buying someone else's project.
And a car like this will kind of perpetually be a project.
Like truthfully, like it's not like it's finished.
Like you're always going to have to be working on keeping it whatever,
cooled or et cetera.
True.
And so you've got to have some real mechanical know-how,
but also you didn't want to do it yourself.
You just want to buy whatever someone else did.
How cool.
It's cool as hell.
I was astonished to see it come across.
That and the Grand Cherokee, honestly,
which also didn't sell for all that much with the Hemiswap.
Dude, let's buy some swaps.
But I think people are a little worried
about buying people's swapped builds.
9,500.
Like like Burry, let's go buy some swaps.
Please bargain.
Yeah.
OK, we got to do questions.
The questions are brought to us by Nick and his YouTube channel,
Nick's YouTube channel.
I don't know what it's called.
Nick Roshan.
Go to Nick's YouTube channel.
We don't know how to say his name.
Roshan.
Go to Nick's YouTube channel.
He sponsored our question segment today.
So if you asked a question, you have nothing to thank.
I actually want to say thank you to the listeners
for listening to Doug and coming in strong 431 comments this week with questions.
So many questions, so many good ones.
In fact, Kenan wanted to submit a question from his friend Jeff,
and I deleted it.
Sorry, Jeff.
Submit it in the thread.
He did.
It's in there.
It didn't get enough up.
I nearly highlighted it.
All right.
First question from, there's some good ones.
I'm going to try to find.
OK, first question from f40rck5.
This is a great question.
And it's going to go not the way the question asked or hoped it would.
Hey, Doug.
Kenan is an anti-modification guy.
What cars do you think look better modified aesthetically,
especially BMWs?
None.
Dude, I was at, I have a crazy experience.
I was at a shop yesterday, and the guy who runs the shop told me he bought a 996 C4S
off the original owner who had died.
And the wheels were factory chrome from O2.
And the way he solved that problem was he was putting on after markets.
And I'm like, man, the wide-body 996 wheels are so attractive.
But anyway, the answer is none.
Nick, your thoughts?
I had a long list of cars.
If we look at BMW only, anyone that does CSL mods on an E46.
But they never sick of the problem is they never stop where they should.
Nope.
They do to they do that.
There's only like three CSL mods.
And then they also just have to lower it and do tinted tails and do all this other dumb crap.
No, it looks great.
I'm good with that.
I said the Z3 and M Coupe Roadster, you got to do a height adjustment.
It needs just a mild drop.
There is not a single car I have ever thought looked better lowered than OE.
I think every OE car looks better with spacers on it.
The offsets are always too weak.
Just push them out five, seven millimeters.
That's all you need.
I think every OE car looks worse with spacers on it.
When I see a car with spacers, I think to myself, that guy is smoking pot in the car.
What's wrong with that?
Well, you got to smell.
Right.
Perfect example.
CSL front bumper.
Looks great.
Wrong.
Slammed with the 92 M3 wheels.
And then there's the CSL rear trunk lid and then the black kidney girls, of course, which is awful.
I don't mind those either.
But I know you terrible.
They look like giant holes that are in the hood.
Just look at the current BMW design language.
Yeah, but that's part of the benefit of that car is it doesn't have the current BMW.
I actually don't hate the black girls that much on non black cars.
On black cars, I think they look really stupid.
It is very rare, truly very rare, where I find a aesthetic modification.
This is very different about other modifications.
An aesthetic modification where I think that it looks better.
My guilty pleasure is carbon fiber vented hoods like that one, the white one there.
I don't know why I love that.
I love it.
I think it's the Steve Selene influence where the more vents equals faster.
And so the more vents like the S7 that you could put on a car, the faster I think it is.
But I love that.
I love that.
In all these pictures, they're taken from a low angle to high.
And Nick's here like, no, get a close up of that.
It's not for everyone.
I like the zip tie holding the two girls together.
I do.
When I see aesthetic modifications, I generally think like, why?
Yeah, even wheels.
I'm a lover of factory wheels.
I can tell if you show me any wheel ever, I can tell you exactly what car it was on.
I am obsessed with factory wheels.
I think the factory wheel designs have such an important component of the design and overall
look of the vehicle.
And I've bought cars based entirely on the factory wheel designs.
And I really truly believe the RS2.
And I really truly believe that very rare do I see aesthetic modifications benefiting.
I think lowered cars look bad.
I honestly generally think the factory sets the ride height for a reason.
And part of it is because when you lower a car, it ends up messing with the overall proportions.
And it doesn't look great.
I'm different.
Most people will completely disagree with this.
Nope.
I agree wholeheartedly with that.
I will say, yeah, well, that that's how you do it.
Right.
You want to mod a car aesthetically, turn it, turn an E46 325 I touring into an M3,
a factory look at M3 way.
There's some mods I can get behind.
I will say the one I would maybe give an exception to, although it was built by the factory is the
X5 LM, which is on the Bevis wheels, but it was built by BMW.
It was built by the factory.
But it was the next five that was heavily modified.
The moment the factory comes into play, it's fine.
Well, OK, I agree.
But I mean, otherwise it's an E53 on BBSLMs.
If you feel that way, then it's slippery slope.
What about a roof?
What about an Alpina?
Roofs are modded cars.
It's a factory.
Did it?
But what?
A factory, not the factory.
Roofs are.
Look, I'm going to be honest.
I'm going to make I'm going to make a proclamation right here and now.
We've said it.
We've we've intimated it before.
Let's just go for it.
Just say it.
Roof is not an automaker.
Yeah.
Porsche makes the car.
Roof maybe does an engine.
They mod the car.
We could make an engine like roof is not an automaker.
And so everybody's like the roof such and such was the fastest car in the world.
No, it wasn't.
Yeah, I don't view the yellow bird as being it was faster than the F40.
I view the F40 as like holding the record.
Let's mod an F40.
Right, exactly.
When you modify something and it's faster than something that isn't modified,
it's like, well, you're not apples to apples comparing.
Well, they have their own fin.
I don't care.
Like to me, if you park those, it doesn't pass the my wife test.
That's the thing.
If you park that car next to a 964, my wife would think it's the exact same car.
You park an F40 there.
That's a different car.
This message may be shocking to many millennials.
If you are one, you might want to sit down.
Right now, loads of people are searching the following on Depop.
Low rise jeans, halter top, velour track suit, hookah shell necklace, disc belt.
You likely place these in the dark of your closet in 2004, never to be seen again.
But if you can find it in yourself to dust them off,
there are a lot of people who will give you money for them.
Sell on Depop or taste recognizes taste.
SL 65 and SLR wouldn't pass the my wife test.
Well, the Roadster.
See, that's why you buy an SLR coupe, because the coupe has much better lines.
And hopefully you'll do that.
It's a good thing I haven't committed either way.
So it's plenty of time.
I think that is the drawback of the SLR roadster.
I disagree.
Strongly on the roof as well as modifications.
You think roof is an automaker?
They make 20 cars.
They get their own VIN.
And somebody's like, well, they have their own VIN.
When Aloisa Roof showed me the rodeo at car week,
I fell in love twice in the same moment.
All right.
Was one of the logs and she gave you a free cowboy hat?
Didn't hurt.
Didn't hurt.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, that's where our stand-up for modification.
Thankfully, Nick is right here to give us.
To stand up for modifications.
To stand up for modifications.
I'm going to continue.
Nick's all into this.
Put on that.
I am into that.
Nick's like, yeah.
I don't love the front lip, but that's easy to redo.
Man, that looks like it just scrapes on everything.
That's the other thing.
Modifications almost exclusively
have some downstream negative effects.
Almost always.
But also some positive upstream effects.
Right?
If you take that thing to the track,
I'm going to have more Gs and I'm going to out apex you
in your right height design to not hit parking barriers
when you go to the public supermarket in South Florida.
Out apex.
You're going to get a high center of the car.
The truth is, his body kit was probably $24,000
and the guy's terrified to take the car anywhere.
Right, yep.
He's just parking lot is next to his house
and completely flat entrances.
Yep, exactly.
The open highway is the only place he can drive it.
Okay, next question, next question, next question.
From Emmiston 4757.
I'm curious your take on this, guys.
I had a couple of years from 20 to 22
where I took a break from cars completely.
Have you guys ever taken breaks from interesting cars
or are you always into it?
It's a great question.
I do occasionally take a break from it.
It's funny because I also am very fortunate
that I get to work in the automotive industry,
which is something that I'm passionate about.
And when you work and play are the same thing,
it can be exhausting.
I have a lot of other interests.
And so what I often do is I'll just indulge one of them.
Winter comes, I usually become way more interested
in watches than cars, despite living in Southern California.
It's just that's what I'm used to.
And so sometimes I'll just indulge those,
but I do need some breaks from it
because it just wears on you after a time, I think.
I've never taken a break in my life, not even for a minute.
Not in interest.
You take a break from purchasing, as for sure.
But I'm still watching the market every day,
thinking about cars, watching YouTube car videos.
It's literally never an even for a moment
since I was as long as I can remember.
Same for me.
In college, you couldn't have a car.
Like there just wasn't adequate parking.
That made me even more desired.
I spent so much time playing racing video games
as well as hanging out in E46 fanatics.
I never owned an E46.
That was like my home for four years in college.
What? Why?
Why that instead of?
Why I modded CSLs.
When some dude Chromewrapped a CSL Flossman in Canada,
and I was like, oh my gosh, ChromM3,
it took over the internet in my world.
And I'd be like in like, you know,
gender science 101 or whatever.
I mean, since Northwestern on E46 fanatics,
even though he never owned, did you ever want an E46?
I still won an E46 and it's a very achievable dream,
but I haven't done it.
Did you know this?
I always knew he was on Audi Zine.
He was, Nick was Audi Zine over the month,
about 13 years ago.
You can actually Google it.
It's still live on this.
Yes, shout out Anthony.
Yes, no, but so that was the closest.
Same with, I lived in D.C. for a year and a half.
I didn't have a car there,
but it was still like hanging out on car forums
and car culture.
I just couldn't physically drive anything.
I knew this about you.
I don't know why you did this,
but I didn't know that.
When Nick, let me tell you something.
When I met Nick, he was a, he was a,
he didn't have a kid yet.
He didn't have a child and he was really into cars.
He had that TTRS that he modded,
the one that he money shifted.
Yeah, the way he money shifted.
And he's copying to it now finally.
He money shifted his TTRS and then he had his daughter.
And I kind of thought we would lose Nick.
I kind of thought that would be the end.
I got the high end.
And I made it clear.
I was like, Nick, I think this is kind of the end
for you and your cars.
And he actually, that's kind of was a turning point
where he began to get crazier.
Yeah.
Actually in retrospect.
Maybe that's when my sleep apnea started.
Our friend group is very healthy and.
In quick succession, Nick got like an RS4,
then an RA and the Mercy and various other cars.
And he really proved me wrong there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I was afraid that that would happen to Nick then.
Spike Karsh.
Next question from special K24,
which is a great username.
Question, it's a Honda thing.
Question for Doug.
Doug, can you peel back the curtain on insurance
and other cost fees as part of owning a small fleet of supercars?
You do a nice job sharing maintenance or repair items.
But I'm curious what it costs on owning these.
Also, are you still doing storage?
I am not.
The cars are all stored at my house in the office
because we have all the space.
But ownership, you know, I never really think about that.
I mean, yeah, the insurance expenditure,
the rest of the cars are not insane.
But I don't know that I've ever really discussed.
I should probably make a video about it.
Sean will be mad that I put it in this video.
But Courage E.T. is about $10,000 a year to insure.
It's $1,000 a month.
That's a lot.
And then you add up the other cars.
And my bill at Hagerty, which comes due every February,
is almost $20,000 a year.
And just in general, when you kind of make some money,
like insurance is like an unbelievable part of my life.
I spend an unbelievable amount of money every year on insurance.
But that's about it.
And then registration is what it is.
I mean, you can look those up.
They're all kind of percentages and stuff.
It's not that crazy because my cars are mostly old.
And the states, the two states that I live in here in Massachusetts
and in California, it's based primarily
on the original value of the car.
And so it's not, it's not crazy to renew the plates,
but insurance is high.
Ten grand, that's not that crazy for a $1.3 million car.
Yeah, I mean, I think Hagerty knows that people
who own these cars are not.
Well, first off, they're not gonna file claims.
No, no.
But also that people who own these cars are not,
they're so careful.
Yep.
And if you have multiple of them, that really proves that point.
I mean, Hagerty, I pay a loving rent a year
and it doesn't sound like all that much
considering the car's so valuable.
However, how many days do you even drive that car?
It's like once a week and not for 90 days in the summer.
So I don't know, do I drive it 30 days?
Their risk is limited to probably 20 miles on 30 days.
Well, that's one of the great things,
or one of the things that's often misunderstood
I think about exotic car insurance,
because like my 355, it was like,
it added like $101 a month,
because they knew I wasn't gonna drive that car very much.
So the risk is substantially lower.
Now if something happens, it's a problem, but.
Yeah.
What's the Mercedes-Benz Lago situation there?
It's like, I wouldn't say five or six grand a year.
It's not terrible.
Yeah.
Either.
By the way, I do assume I get some sort of discount
with career GT, because I have so many,
I have like $2.7 million in cars insured with that.
That's where it's gonna go.
When I added the Arnaj, the total policy went down,
because the multi-car discount, say it's 5% off,
was subtracted more off the mercy
than the cost to add the Arnaj,
which they assume is just like worth nothing.
They're right.
The Arnaj actually saved me money on insurance
by bringing down my total bill more than.
But it cost you hell of a lot more than maintenance.
Yeah, that's true, it's bit me on the other end.
Next question from R. Lauer.
Hey all, after all your years of driving manual cars,
how often do you guys accidentally stall?
A couple of times a year, does it never happen anymore?
Stall the career GT today?
It does still happen.
It is very rare.
I generally only do real miles
in the three manual cars that I own,
and I am really dialed in with how to operate them.
Yep.
How often do you stall?
Probably all the time.
Oh yeah.
I think between my attention span and everything else,
it's bound to happen.
I, Matt Ivanhoe, let me test drive a 996 GT3 club sport,
and I stalled it out on a hill,
and then he was looking at me like you idiot,
and then that just made me completely freak out,
and it took me a minute to get going again.
Sometimes unfamiliar cars can be hard,
although when I am doing videos
with unfamiliar manual cars,
I am putting an enormous amount of effort and attention,
which Nick doesn't, into that driving experience.
Well, when you get frazzled.
Like I didn't even stall the crazy BMW 700.
I didn't stall it once, which is hard to do.
Right.
It stalled itself on me, but I did not stall it.
Well, with the Mercy, when you drive it tomorrow,
you'll find it almost seems no gas,
like it could just go on its own like a Carrera GT.
Generally speaking, the exotic cars,
that's true that they do not attract it.
The multiply, you got to pretty much do full throttle.
Yeah.
So you just got to like,
like if you go from one to the other really quickly,
like you're putting way too much pressure
on one pedal or the other.
So I still, I want to say it's been once
in the last three years, I think.
Wow.
Like I remember it was my M5 too.
That was like, there was a situation
where there's like a lot going on.
And so I was paying attention to something else.
And I just, what about in, you drive a lot of other cars,
like when they come off the truck here and.
Yeah, no, I don't have any problems with those.
Damn.
I mean, because I always like,
you test the throttle pedal first,
you figure out where the bite point is,
once you know that it's.
In plus with unfamiliar cars,
I tend to be particularly like safe.
Like I don't like try to get it at the exact.
I probably put in a little too much gas
and a little too much, you know what I mean?
Trying to make sure that I don't stall.
Facking the mercy off the top of a.
Transporter truck.
I stole reason alone.
So it has about this much clearance
on both sides from the wheels.
For whatever reason, the transport driver,
he couldn't fit in the car, I think was the issue.
And they made us back it out.
No, that was one where you're just like, I can't.
Yeah.
Reason alone, not to want to.
Transport or his putting it in the.
I very careful.
Yeah.
Okay. Last question.
Final question.
Last question.
Final question.
Last question.
Let's talk about it.
Have S2K reactions to Larry Chen
visiting the Brunei car collection?
I have not watched this video yet.
It's 45 minutes long, but nothing.
There's nothing new, right?
No.
He doesn't go to see the most special cars.
He goes to see the princess's collection of cars,
which are nothing.
I mean, like the only Ferrari was a Monday all.
Like it's like it genuinely is like,
and it is sad to see all those cars.
I mean, they are genuinely rotting away.
It's cool that he got there.
It's cool that someone did it.
We did not get in to see the cars
that are not rotting away.
And I think the whole point of the video
that focuses more on Brunei car culture
because the cars get out or auctioned off
by the family regularly because they have so many of them.
All the time.
It's all the time.
So those cars stay in Brunei and are owned by locals there
and the car culture surrounding them is very cool.
But like, I know what he's getting to see, the real stuff.
Yeah.
Just getting in is cool.
The fact that someone was there is super cool.
We want to see Prince Jeffrey's crazy cars.
And you know, I will say this is my interpretation
of this whole thing.
I think the Brunei royal family to this day
is a little embarrassed about the whole thing.
And so they've never, they don't really sell cars
out of the collection, the important ones.
They do auction off like Mercedes basically all the time.
But they've never really sold any of the really big cars,
a few here and there, but generally not.
They've never opened it up to the public,
even though it would have enormous public interest.
And I think they're a little embarrassed about it.
I think it's a mistake though.
I agree.
It's the only reason most people know where Brunei is
I've heard of it.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And those cars are so special.
It was an unbelievable time in the automotive industry,
in the exotic car world.
And I think a public museum there would be unbelievable.
Yeah, I agree.
I think they should be more embarrassed
about the cars that are letting her out of way.
That is more embarrassing to me
than the crazy one-off stuff they built.
But by the same token,
it did keep Rolls Royce and Bentley around.
And people are now saying Aston Martin
was saying the same thing and kept them going.
Likely.
Brunei, hopefully, I'm super interested to see that video.
I haven't watched it yet, but excited to see it.
When I do, sad that we still can't get what we really want,
which is me and Nick go to Brunei ourselves.
I'm down.
You've taken me on that trip.
I'm not just going to let you take Nick here.
Yeah.
Sorry, I'm going on that one.
You can't allow Nick into a Muslim country.
You got to have minders.
He's got to have minders.
I think we'll just put like an electric collar on his wrist
and just zap him every time he starts to say something insane.
Oh, there we go.
That's our podcast.
Ken and any final thoughts for us?
That's the best one we've ever done.
Best pod we've ever done.
Nick is here, and I'm thrilled about it.
I'm thrilled to be here.
Lovely.
All right.
Get on the mercy next week.
Yeah.
Big mercy week.
Maybe there will be an SLR.
We don't know.
Never find out.
We're not announcing.
Have mercy.
I think I'm going to get an SL 65 if anyone has one.
Goodbye, everyone.
Goodbye.
About this episode
The episode dives into the recent automotive news, including the cancellation of the Kia Soul and Hyundai's plans for a body-on-frame pickup truck. The hosts discuss the implications of these changes and share personal anecdotes, including a humorous take on Tesla's recent profit surge and Jaguar Land Rover's recovery from a cyber attack. They also touch on the unique appeal of the Lamborghini Manifesto concept and the ongoing debate about modifications in car culture. The conversation is lively, with plenty of banter and insights from the hosts.
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00:00:00 Introduction/Car News
00:00:22 Kia Soul Is Dead
00:02:46 Hyundai Is Making A Truck!
00:07:29 New Standard Tesla Models
00:09:57 Jaguar Land Rover is Back in Production
00:14:04 Claude AI
00:15:29 Lamborghini Concept Car
00:17:11 More Offroad Lambos!?
00:22:21 Ferrari's New Test Track Addition
00:24:46 Porsche is Pulling Out of WEC
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00:28:29 Talk Cars!
00:28:36 Doug Still Wants a 993
00:31:15 Nick's Mercedes SLR Update
00:37:16 Nick's Fiat Multipla is LEGAL
00:40:06 Nick is Selling His Murcielago
00:42:53 True Classic
00:44:11 Doug's Lamborghini Supercar Theory
00:48:23 Cars & Bids at Road Atlanta
00:50:23 Harry's Garage DROVE a Ferrari 250 GTO
00:56:54 Market Report!
00:57:07 BMW 1M Market Report
01:03:57 C4 Corvette ZR-1 Market
01:06:55 Mid-Engine GTI
01:09:20 Questions!
01:10:06 Tasteful Cosmetic Modifications?
01:16:57 Do You Take Breaks from Car Enthusiasm?
01:20:03 How Much Does it Cost to Insure Doug's Cars?
01:22:54 Do You Ever Stall Your Manual Cars?
01:25:09 Larry Chen Visited the Sultan of Brunei Collection
01:27:45 Final Thoughts
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