“Checkers” refers to the checkered flag, which is shown at the end of a race to indicate the winner and finish. In racing talk, it’s often used as shorthand for the race ending.
On an oval race track, the infield is the space inside the track’s loop. It’s often where teams park, work on cars, or where track buildings and other facilities sit.
NASCAR is a type of auto racing where drivers compete in stock cars, mostly on oval tracks. Richard Petty is saying the basic idea is the same, but the sport around it—like the fans and sponsors—has evolved a lot.
He’s talking about an earlier time when the race cars were more like regular cars you could buy. The point is that the racing was built on simpler, more mechanical differences instead of lots of specialized tech.
This is basically Petty saying he likes racing to feel simple and real. He’s comparing the early days—cars that were closer to regular stock cars—to today’s cars with lots of expensive technology, and he’s wondering if that tech really changes the heart of racing.
The “championship format” is the rulebook for how a season is judged. It decides whether you win by being best all year, or by doing especially well at the end. NASCAR’s “Chase” style is basically a points system that builds toward a final stretch.
“The Chase” is NASCAR’s way of setting up the final part of the season. Instead of only rewarding the driver who’s best from start to finish, it gives top contenders a fresh chance to fight for the championship. The goal is to make the end of the season more exciting.
“Points” are how NASCAR keeps track of who’s doing well over the season. You earn them based on where you finish in races. The discussion is about whether the system should reward being consistently strong all year.
An Indy car is the kind of race car used in open-wheel racing (think exposed wheels). It’s a different style of racing than NASCAR, so trying it would be a big change for someone built around NASCAR.
Concept
driving cups
“Cup” is NASCAR’s top series. When he says he had no ambition except driving cups, he means he mostly wanted to stay focused on NASCAR’s main racing level.
Drag racing is a straight-line motorsport where cars accelerate over a short distance to determine a winner. It’s a different discipline than oval-track racing like NASCAR, focusing more on launch, traction, and acceleration than sustained cornering.
A “Hemi” is an engine design where the inside of the combustion chamber is shaped like half a sphere. That shape helps the engine burn fuel efficiently, which can make it perform better—especially when you’re spinning it fast.
Plymouth was a car brand under the Chrysler umbrella. Back then, brands like Plymouth often sponsored or employed drivers to race their cars.
Concept
mile up to a mile
Track length affects how a race feels and how teams set up the car. Different lengths can change how much you rely on cornering versus straight-line speed.
“Cup cars” refers to NASCAR’s top-level stock-car competition class (historically the Cup Series). Allowing Cup cars to run indicates a change in eligibility that could bring higher-profile cars/drivers and alter the competitive field.
He’s saying that where you grow up changes what you’re used to. If you learned racing in one kind of world, you’ll naturally be better at that kind of racing than someone who learned in a different world.
Concept
big guys called big cars
He’s talking about how racing used to be built around bigger, stronger drivers and larger-feeling cars. Today the sport fits different body types and uses more assistance.
Power steering helps you turn the wheel with less effort. Without it, the driver has to use more strength, so steering takes more effort and you have to be more deliberate with inputs.
“No radios” refers to the lack of driver-to-pit communication during races. That forces drivers to rely on their own feedback and spotters/trackside information, rather than real-time coaching about handling, tire wear, or strategy.
He’s saying the driver used to handle more of the work themselves. With fewer tools and less communication, the driver had to manage the car and the race more directly.
They’re saying that when the race cars change, driving technique has to change too. Even very talented drivers may need time to relearn how the car behaves before they can be fast again.
Concept
driving learned from a computer vs real cars
They’re comparing two ways people learn racing: from video-game/simulator driving versus actually driving real race cars. Real cars give you physical feedback that sims can’t perfectly copy, so the transition can be harder.
They’re talking about Goodyear, the tire company. In NASCAR, tires strongly affect grip and handling, so teams have to adjust their cars to match what the tires do at each track.
Different tracks behave differently, so a car that’s great at one place may not work as well somewhere else. Teams have to keep adjusting and testing so the car matches the track and tires.
Tire compounds are basically different types of rubber. Softer tires usually grip more but wear out faster, while harder tires last longer but may not feel as grippy.
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cement tire
“Cement tire” is a nickname for a tire that grips really well and feels very “sticky.” The idea is that if you use the same tire everywhere, teams and drivers don’t get much variation to learn from, so it can change how much skill and setup matter.
“Formula cars” are open-wheel race cars—single-seat machines—most associated with major international open-wheel racing. Petty is saying he didn’t really know about that world when he was younger.
Stock-car racing is racing that’s meant to feel like regular cars, not pure prototypes. The race versions are still customized, but the theme is tied to real cars.
Concept
automobiles were the thing
He’s talking about how, back then, cars were the main way people got around. So racing and car culture felt especially important to everyday life.
Ford is a big car company in the U.S. The hosts mention it to talk about how people used to stick to certain brands, but now families seem to mix different cars.
Chevrolet is another major American automaker with deep roots in NASCAR and broader U.S. racing history. Here it’s paired with Ford to illustrate how brand loyalty used to be stronger, compared with today’s more varied car choices.
Car loyalty means always wanting the same brand of car, like sticking with one company because your family did. The point here is that today’s kids are getting exposed to lots of different cars, so they don’t feel the same attachment.
They’re asking whether kids need racing to feel more like something they can relate to. Or maybe the wider car culture around them has to change first to get kids interested again.
A pickup truck is a common type of vehicle with an open cargo bed in the back. They’re saying people often end up choosing the kind of car they personally want, even if others in the family prefer something different.
A convertible is a car where you can open the roof so you can drive with more air and sunshine. The speaker is using it to illustrate that people choose the car they want.
They’re talking about very long races—like 600 miles. The point is that watching something that long is harder for people when they’re used to shorter content.
They’re saying people’s focus is shorter than it used to be. So instead of watching very long events, many people prefer shorter things they can enjoy more easily.
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The most successful driver, the man, Richard Betty.
The only thing the same race in the day, or it used to be,
is that they were the green flag to begin with,
so the checkers went and sold it.
We're having the champions here seven times,
but I won it five different ways that counted the points.
You got a hobby?
Going to NASCAR racing.
Thank you.
Hello, and welcome to Speed with Harvick and Buxton.
Let's talk racing.
My friend, the word legend is bandied around a lot in sport,
particularly in motorsport, but today I think there's no denying
that we have an absolute legend on the sport.
A man who needs very little introduction,
the most successful driver, the man, Richard Betty.
How are you?
I've just been here longer than everybody else.
That's not true.
You got to give yourself some credit.
This is quite an honor to have you join us today.
I think that for me, every year when I get to come back to Daytona,
I just think about all those memories and all those times
of every great thing that's happened here.
What's it like for you now when you drive in the tunnel?
You know, sometimes it brings back memories.
Some of them are not too good, but the memory coming here
the very first time came through the tunnel.
They had one little building in the infield and everything was flat.
Most of it was water.
Had that big lake out there.
Had a grandstand, probably hold 20, 25,000 people.
And that was it.
I mean, it was, but it looked like that first and second corner
was five miles down there and it looked like a wall
because there was nothing to tell you any difference.
And it was just that 21 year old kid.
Man, I didn't know any better.
I thought it was great.
You've seen this sport change so much over the years.
What is it you think about NASCAR that resonates as much today
as it ever has?
Well, I'm going to go back to the deal that Kyle always said.
The only thing the same racing today and what it used to be
is they throw the green flag to begin with,
throw the checker when it's over.
Everything else has changed.
It doesn't make any difference.
The people that come to see the races have changed.
The sponsors have changed.
The whole society has changed.
And NASCAR has been a pretty good job of trying to keep up with the
changes of what's going on in the world and also trying to improve
the sport that we started with to begin with.
So it just, it just, you know, you got to figure this is what,
76 years and 77 years of what you see when you, when you come here.
Of course, 59 was the first time we came here.
When you look in the garage and you walk around and you watch these
guys work on the car.
What's the thing that you shake your head out the most and just go,
I can't believe we are doing this.
You know, I think about the first time we came down here and the
cars that we were in pretty, pretty stock cars.
And then I look at all these cars with all this fancy stuff.
They got on all this wire, all the technology and it does nothing
different than what we did.
Okay.
It had a motor, had four wheels, had a driver.
And run on the racetrack and won the race or had trouble with it,
whatever, but they put all this stuff on, on these cars meant
what, $150, $200,000 worth of gadgets where I looked at and
it does nothing more than what we did when it first started.
So that's, that's what really fascinates me.
Sounds like you're talking about the purity of racing.
I got its heart.
How, how happy are you with the changes made to the championship
format over the winter to take it back to a more, a more pure
format back to, back to the chase and it representing an entire season.
As far as the points then?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always looked at the, the points then, who does the best all year.
We're not football.
We're not baseball.
We're not basketball where it comes to a playoff.
We have a full year as far as I am championship.
I was fortunate to win the championship seven times, but I
wanted five different ways that counted the points.
Okay.
So that means we just had the best years.
Okay.
And I think in the last day to 10 years, we probably had a couple
of three champions that probably didn't have the best year.
They just wound up being champion.
I think this will maybe not get completely back, but it's going
to be like 90% of how you do all year long.
When you go back to your days of, of driving and in the middle
of everything on the NASCAR side, was there ever a time when
you were like, did you drive an Indy car first?
Did you ever go drive an Indy car?
No, no, never drive.
Did you ever have an opportunity to go drive on and you look back
at it now and say, I wish I would have did that, at least try
to, you know, you got to figure my, our business, the petty
family made a living off of NASCAR.
You know, that was our business.
So any chance I had to go anywhere else was going to take it
away from my business.
So I couldn't leave my business.
And I think I went to Indy one time before it had me to come up
there and looked at his car and stuff.
And he said, you get in the car.
And I said, I don't want to get in there.
He said, get in there, but you got to put on these shoes.
The shoes were size seven.
I got 11 and a half foot.
You know, I mean, that's how close that thing was.
I said, forget it.
Yeah, but I really had no, no ambition of doing anything
except driving cups.
Was there not a year that you went drag racing?
We went drag racing, uh, not because we had to.
I mean, because we had to NASCAR and price or was having a
little problems with the Hemi engine.
Okay.
And NASCAR said you can't run them.
So I was at that time employed through, through Plymouth.
And so they said, look, if you can't do that, we want to keep
you out there.
So they said, what about going drag racing?
So we're going to drag and drag racing and 65 for about six
months.
And then, uh, there wasn't nothing, but Ford is running.
So they weren't getting any crowds.
So they said, okay, anything from a mile up to a mile, then
we'll let cup cars run.
I think I ran 14 races or something that year.
And, uh, so, uh, that's, that's how that, that happened.
Other than that, we've, we've run all the time.
Richard, you should have your finger on the pulse in this,
in this paddock.
When you see the drivers down there today, is there anyone
you think could have, could have cut it back in your days?
Anyone you look at and you think, man, I would have either
loved to erase them or they would have been tough.
I did ask that a whole lot.
And you got to figure if, uh, if these guys that's running
today grew up in my generation, then they might have been
competitive in other words, I wouldn't be competitive with
these guys because I didn't grow up in their generation.
So your environment determines, you know, where you at and
what's going on.
And so, you know, could you took some of the guys that's
now running here?
Uh, they probably three or four.
If they grew up in my environment, then the rest of them
know, okay, the majority.
Well, you got to figure, uh, you know, when we used to run
everybody was six foot tall, big guys called big cars, no
power steering, no radios, the driver had to do it all.
And now you got these guys, they look like jockeys.
I mean, you know, they really, if they're five foot tall,
they're tall.
Yeah.
And, and there's nothing to matter with it.
I'm not, I'm not kicking.
That's society.
That's the way the world has changed.
So we accept that and say, okay, we got the people now running
against the people.
We rented, I ran against a different group that grew up
different, a different part of their society might have been
a little bit different than mine, but overall it was the same.
These guys grew up, you know, 50 years later, 60 years later
and the environment of the whole world is so much different.
So they fit into that environment and make it work for them.
So in this garage today, who do you think is our best driver
in the cup garage?
Who's the best driver in the cup garage?
I've been watching these new cars.
And I looked at some of the guys that's really adapted to them.
And some of the people hadn't, and I'm going to take Kyle Busch
for instance.
Okay.
Kyle could really man handle a car.
You can't man handle these cars.
So he looks like he's lost and I feel for him because he's got
the ability to flat drive a race car, but these are not the
kind of race cars that he's used to.
It's a different environment.
And some of the guys that now that's coming up, they learned
all their stuff by sitting behind a computer driving, you know,
all that kind of stuff.
So they didn't really know how these cars are exposed to actor
whatever.
So they adapt very quickly where Kyle would have to unlearn
everything he knew and start all over again.
I couldn't adapt to these cars.
You know, if I grew up in this society, I probably could.
You're the same way.
That's right.
And so there's so much different.
Everything is everything around them is different.
They handle different.
And it's just kind of a deal that really I'm going to go back.
Nobody has really got a handle around these cars.
Okay.
And one week that just ran off leave everybody next week.
They're likely to finish in the top 20.
Okay.
And you say, man, what happened?
We thought you had a deal and I'm going to go into something
here.
We'll probably who's talking about, but then NASCAR and the
drivers are looking to good year to solve the problem.
Okay.
So every year, every race, good year is going to spend millions
of dollars trying to get that car to work at a different track.
So the people that's working on the cars have got no base.
In other words, if we had maybe four or five different
compounds of tires, okay, then the crucious then would learn
the tires and then it could work on the car right now.
They don't know what to do to the cars because the tires are
different each race.
Think about that.
Yeah.
So they've got no base to work yourself off of, but if they
just give them, say they give them a cement tire.
Okay.
And you're going to run that everywhere.
Then the people would work on the car and make it work.
So I think that's the drawback of what we're seeing with
a new car.
Moving from drivers from today that might have impressed in
your era or that impressed you still today.
When you were racing, was there another driver racing in
another championship, be it here state side or internationally
that you'd heard about or you'd seen and you'd thought, and
I wish they'd come over to NASCAR and give it a go.
I'd love to race them.
You know, you got to figure when I grew up things, you didn't
have all the TV, you didn't have, you know, all the radio,
you didn't have all the press and I lived in a small world.
My world was ready NASCAR and it was a Southern sport.
So I didn't know where this running Indy cars, Formula
cars.
I didn't know what they were till I got out and you know,
years later, more or less, because I had one thing I was
like a farmer.
I never went off the farm.
Okay.
I stayed on the farm.
Yeah.
So I didn't know what my neighbors was doing.
So no, I never, I never got into that deal.
Is there any other form of racing that you'd like to follow
now?
Do you follow any other type of racing?
Not really.
No, you know what I mean?
I try to keep up with what's going on in Indy cars a little
bit about the formula cars, but overall, I'm still living my
little world, which is NASCAR.
You got a hobby going to NASCAR racing.
You don't like you don't do anything for fun.
This is fun.
Everything I do is fun.
Okay.
I mean, I'm fun.
Y'all are funny.
I'm going to be fine with you.
That's right.
What is it about this championship then?
What is it about the world and NASCAR that still gives you
that feeling in your heart and in your soul?
The thing that got you into it in the first place, the thing
that keeps you coming back week in week out that you love
that you feel whenever you walk into this place and down
pit road, like what, what is it when I walk in and see
where everything is going on?
I want NASCAR to be the biggest thing there ever was
because then I'm part of that.
Okay.
And the bigger NASCAR is the bigger Richard Petty is even
though he's way down the list.
Okay.
So no matter what goes on, I'm a NASCAR fan and I want
NASCAR to be the very best bringing the most people, the
most spectators, you know, and I know it's never going to be
football, but you got to figure where NASCAR and the way
the society is when I grew up, automobiles were the thing.
Okay.
After the Second World War, the guys come back from
overseas and we lived in the South and the only way to get
around was by cars.
Okay.
And there was no professional football, baseball, basketball,
you know, below Washington.
So we had our own sport and as time progressed, then people,
you know, if, if you're dead on the Ford or a Chevrolet, you
got, you got one.
Okay.
Now everybody in the family has got a different kind of car.
So there's no car loyalty.
And I was looking another day where the average kids now are
20 years old before they ever get their drivers license.
I mean, when I was 10 or 12 years old, I could already drive
on the road because we lived on dirt roads, but you know,
couldn't wait to get 16 to get my license.
I couldn't wait to get my driver's license when I was, when
I was a teenager and my, my daughter is 16 now.
She doesn't care.
She doesn't want to drive.
She, she's not interested.
How do we, how do we get that back?
Like, does motorsport need to be relatable to kids in order to
get them interested in, in cars?
Or does the whole car culture outside of the racetrack need
a change in order to bring kids back to racing?
Like which one needs to change first?
I don't know because there's so much going on today that I
think that even with us, but especially with younger kids
and stuff, their attention span is so short.
Okay.
Then they look at what's in front of them for 15 minutes.
They're off to something else and automobile is the same way.
In other words, they walk through and they see that.
Hey, that's what I'm going to get.
You know, even though my dad had something else or my sister's
got something else, this is what I want.
And they want to pick up truck.
They get to pick up truck.
You know, they want a convertible.
They get one.
So I don't, I don't know that what happened to NASCAR was
there's so many other things to take up that time and take
up that extra bucks that people now have so many different
things that they can go to to enjoy.
And so many of them are shorter periods.
They're not a three hour race, 600 mile race.
I mean, so it's hard to keep and even me is being 88 years
old.
Expand attention span is not what I used to be.
I used to, I used to watch our programs now watch half hour
program.
So let me ask you this.
You talk about your attention span and things have changed.
Are you a social media guy?
Like do you, do you have, you've never, you've never looked
at social media?
I don't, I don't even care telephone.
Okay.
No telephone.
The only computer I got in the house is if I don't go to the
race, I watch TV on one deal and I got the computer.
Same things that they got in the pit area where I can tell
what our cars are running, what everybody's cars are running.
That's the only technology I know right now.
Okay.
I could, I would follow a Richard Petty X account like in a
heartbeat.
I think that would be, I think it would be great.
That would be great.
I think, I think that would be something that would be very
refreshing.
Absolutely.
What I'm really waiting on is a driver this car where I can
just get in the back seat and say, you know, take me down to
the local store, take me over to the movies or whatever, you
know, sit back there and drink a little wine, eat a little
bread.
I'll be ready to go.
Richard, thank you so much and genuinely from both of us.
It's an absolute honor to have you on the show.
We appreciate your time so much and your stories and what a
total joy.
Thank you.
Enjoyed it.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
About this episode
Richard Petty reflects on decades of NASCAR change, from Daytona memories and the sport’s “purity” (green to start, checkers to finish) to how modern tech and gadgetry still chase the same basic goal: motor, wheels, driver, and winning. He praises the push to return to a points-based championship rather than playoff-style outcomes, arguing champions should reflect the best season. Petty also weighs today’s driver adaptation, tire/track variability, and why kids may be losing interest in car culture, while admitting he’s largely outside social media.
There is only one "King" in racing. In this exclusive interview, seven-time NASCAR champion Richard Petty joins us to reflect on his unparalleled career and the 75-year legacy of Petty Enterprises. From the raw, grit-and-glory days of 1960s short-track racing to the high-tech evolution of Legacy Motor Club, Richard shares what it really takes to stay relevant in a changing sport. Plus, he opens up about the work that matters most to him now: Victory Junction and ensuring the Petty name is remembered for more than just 200 wins.
Chapters:0:00 Intro0:30 Richard Petty Joins The Show1:10 Coming Back To Daytona3:00 What Do You Shake Your Head At?4:00 Thoughts On The Changes To NASCAR5:10 Any Temptation To Drive Other Races?7:20 Guy You'd Love To Race?9:15 Best Driver In NASCAR13:30 Your Love Of NASCAR15:30 Kids Getting Into Driving17:15 Social Media?18:18 Outro
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