The Avants Podcast Nov 17, 2025

The Koenigsegg Mega Muffler, Forever Seeking Adventure, and AI Overlords

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wood frame

A wood frame means the car's main structure is made from wood instead of metal. This is unusual today and needs special care to keep it strong and safe.

Term

Whitworth

Whitworth is a type of screw and bolt size system that was made in Britain a long time ago to help make tools and bolts fit better together.

Term

SAE

SAE is a way to measure tools and bolts mostly used in America, where sizes are given in fractions instead of the metric system.

Term

metric system

Metric is a way to measure things using numbers like millimeters, which is used almost everywhere except some places like the US.

Term

JIS screws

JIS screws are special screws used mostly on Japanese motorcycles and cars. They look like regular screws but need a special screwdriver to fit properly and not slip off.

Part

headlight

The headlight is the light at the front of a car or truck that helps you see when it's dark outside.

Part

Torx

Torx screws have a star-shaped head that helps tools grip better so the screws don't slip when you turn them.

Part

Allen key

An Allen key is a small L-shaped tool that fits into special screws with a six-sided hole, helping you turn them easily.

Part

ball socket

A ball socket is a special tool that can bend a little so you can reach screws or bolts that are hard to get to.

Car

The McLaren F1 is a very special and fast car made in the 1990s that many people think is one of the coolest cars ever. It’s famous because it was really advanced for its time and very rare. Talking about it going on a rally means it was driven on a fun, adventurous trip through tough roads.

Term

carbon fiber

Carbon fiber is a special material that is very light and strong. Car makers use it to make parts of the car lighter so it can go faster and handle better.

Car

Jeep Wrangler

The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Moab edition is a tough off-road vehicle with a big V8 engine. It's designed to handle rough terrain and has special parts and looks inspired by a famous desert.

Term

solid axles

Solid axles are a way the wheels are connected so they move together, which helps the car handle rough roads better.

Car

Volkswagen Beetle

The Volkswagen Beetle is a small, round-shaped car that lots of people know because it’s been around for a long time. It’s easy to recognize and was very popular. Putting a special tire on it means someone was trying to help it drive better on rough or slippery roads.

Car

Ford F150

The Ford F-150 is a very popular big truck that many people use for work and fun. It’s known for being tough and able to carry heavy things. Talking about 'chicken corners' means someone was trying a tricky driving move in the truck.

Concept

Moab

Moab is a place where people go to drive or ride off-road vehicles on rough trails and rocks. It's very popular for outdoor adventures and fun with dirt bikes and trucks.

Concept

Rubicon

The Rubicon is a famous rough trail where people drive special off-road vehicles. It's known for being hard to drive on and is popular for adventure trips.

Term

Alexa

Alexa is a voice helper made by Amazon that you can talk to in your car. It helps you do things like play music or get directions without using your hands.

Brand

Amazon

Amazon is a big tech company that makes Alexa, a voice assistant, and has tried to make its own car.

Car

Mini Countryman

The Mini Countryman is a small SUV that looks like a Mini but has more room inside. It’s good for people who want a cute car that can still carry more stuff. Saying someone got a loaner means they got to use this car while their own was being fixed.

Brand

BMW

BMW is a car company from Germany that makes fancy cars that are fun to drive.

Term

CarPlay

CarPlay is a feature that lets you use your iPhone on your car's screen to play music, get directions, and more.

Term

auto start stop

Auto start-stop means your car turns off the engine when you stop, like at a red light, and starts it again when you go. This saves gas and helps the environment.

Term

manual

A manual car means you have to change gears yourself using pedals and a stick, which makes driving more fun and connected.

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subscription model

Instead of buying a car feature once, you pay a monthly fee to use it. For example, BMW charges monthly to turn on heated seats in some cars.

Car

Ford It Model

The Ford Model T is one of the very first cars made a long time ago that many people could afford. It helped lots of people start driving cars. Talking about it usually means thinking about how cars started.

Car

Ford Bronco

The Ford Bronco is a type of SUV that is good for driving on rough roads and outdoor adventures.

Part

heated steering wheel

A heated steering wheel is a steering wheel that gets warm to keep your hands cozy when it's cold outside.

Part

heated seats

Heated seats are car seats that can get warm to make you feel comfortable when it's chilly outside.

Car

Ford F-150 Raptor

The Ford F-150 Raptor is a strong truck made to drive on rough roads and trails with special parts that help it do that.

Car

Ford Ranger

The Ford Ranger is a smaller truck that’s good for both work and going off-road. Some versions, like the Ranger Raptor, are made to handle rough roads really well. People sometimes talk about what features it should have to be even better.

LIVE

Welcome to the Avants Podcast. I'm Dan. I'm Nick. Who's that? It's Brian. Hey, Brian. Welcome back. It's Brian.

Oh, I just got a text from Nick. Oh, yeah. You can join us in the studio. We have a nice studio with comfy chairs and heat and really good.

We actually have a guest coming to the studio next week. Yeah, we do. We do it about that. Yeah.

Oh, so you're a regular listener. Do you want to check us out sometime? Let us know.

You're a surprise. You just, you know, you live in the area and it's like such a surprise. Yeah.

You know, we like having people join us. It's fun. I agree. I agree. How you been? It's been a day.

It's been good. Yeah, we saw each other Tuesday. That was long. Yesterday. Yeah. So when do we do some

headlight surgery? I think that that's happening very soon. I think as of tomorrow or something like that.

Tomorrow. Yeah. You know, that stuff coming from Australia is it just kind of disappears and then it just

appears and all of a sudden it's like, well, where did it just come from? So occasionally I will order

stuff that let's just say I don't need that high value. So I'll order it off

Alibaba or Teemo or something like that. And Velcro tie straps is one of the things that were like

stuff like that where I'm like, if it doesn't really matter, but it's like, you know, 10 cents,

right? Right. And it'll just disappear. Like you said. And then oddly enough, it'll usually show

up within like three or four days. I'm like, how does this get here that fast? Because it's,

you know, it's gone through customs. It's got like weird writing all over it. It's in a bag

that's like literally like just taped shut. And you're like, what did I order? Yeah.

Made by some small child in a basement in China. Yeah.

Probably true. Yeah. It's showing the Velcro one loop at a time. Yeah, it kind of goes into

that black hole, right? Oh my God. I like to add a visual to my face. Yeah. Wow. Okay. And then

there you go, Mr. Putnam. Here's your straps. Yeah. Part of his car trip of the day.

Carter Automotive trip of the day for us, Dan. I do actually. So this one actually

comes from a listener, which makes it even better. So shout out, Nathan Muntz.

But this one, Nick will probably know. So he's been working on taking it pulled the

engine and the transmission out of his 1965 Morgan. Okay. Very cool vehicle, by the way.

Wood frame. Morgans are awesome. I just love that they're unique. But do you know what kind of tools

that takes? Because it's not Imperial ASC or metric. What depends on what what the like is it

for the fasteners? For the bolts? Old tools? Yeah. I mean, truthfully, when I have done

stuff like that, I use the toolkit that came with the car. Right. It's different

than your service. But you're correct. Yeah. I don't have that anymore, unfortunately. And it's

not SAE and it's not metric. It's British. It is British. It's British. So it is called Whitworth

or British standard. And they are a little different than my grandfather always just said

they were British tools. So what's interesting is, so you would think British different, they

always try and do something different. Actually, Whitworth was the original standard.

They were the original attempt at standardizing tool sets, bolt heads, shank size threads,

things like that. That was actually Whitworth. And then of course, American, we had to go do

something different with SAE and do fractions and not metric. I'm still a big fan of metric when it

comes to tools. I barely own any American tools because nothing I have needs them anymore. Almost

nothing. You know how many times I've watched videos between SAE and metric and I still don't

quite get it? Like, it's just doesn't quite click in my brain. As far as just, I mean,

just slightly different measurements. No, I know. But I mean, it's like, you know,

I just think it's, it's like Hallmark selling cards. It's just one, they want to sell me two

sets of the same half inch, you know, cups. So well, I mean, our trucks, right? Yeah,

they're American milk. Yep. But every bolt in there is metric. Yep. So,

you know, where's the American standard? So it's, there is. And the same, we have no standards.

So you have no standards. Yeah. Yeah. So they're British. I didn't, I think they,

they just said made in Britain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your triumph would have the exact same ones.

But just the other one, as J, the other, there's only a few standards that are still really out

there that are still being used. The other one I'm really familiar with is JIS. That's what you'll

find a lot of on motorcycles. The only real difference with JIS screws is they are, they

look like a Phillips, but the taper inside the head is different. They're much more solid

connection. Like when you use it, and you, there is a difference if you're working on a lot

of motorcycles, most motorcycles now are just plain metric. They're just standard,

standard metric sizing. But anything, even back up until the early 2000s or mid 2000s,

you can find a lot of JIS screws on. The most common place I still find them oddly enough is

on UASA batteries, which are OEM on Hondas and a lot of bikes as UASA, the battery hold down

bolts are metric hex, but they have a, it looks like a Phillips actually JIS bolt.

That's funny. You're saying that I was doing, I was trying to get the battery out of the

monkey and saw me yesterday. So yeah, okay. Yeah. So most of the time I just use the hex head,

but they are a few JIS screws older. If you're working on, you know, little vintage Chondas

and stuff like that, and you, you'll find that the case covers are often that you're like,

these, why are these Phillips head screws? They're actually not their JIS. And they do,

if you have the right screwdriver, they're really easy to get off. If you use a metric

or the standard Phillips head screwdriver, you'll probably round them out. And that's why.

And a lot of people think like, Oh, these are crappy bolts. Like, no, you're actually just

using the wrong tool. And, you know, no shame on you for knowing it looks almost

exactly the same, but you should know that if you're looking at that. If you're working on

vintage British, you're going to need some Whitworths. If you're working on anything Japanese,

probably have some JIS, not like cars, but I mean, like pre 2000s, even most motorcycles.

Yeah. Interesting. Something new.

There is. So the, so speaking of tool sets, I'm just going to add this to the tip. It could

be a whole other one in itself, but I'm just going to add it in because it's a good topic.

There is plenty of crossover charts that you can print for your shop,

like for SAE and metric. So five sixteenths, eight millimeter, three eighths, 10 millimeter,

seven sixteenths, 11 meter, half inch, 12.7 millimeter. So you're in between a 12 and a 13.

The half inch one is the one you will probably round off the most if you screw them up and you

decide to use a metric socket on a half inch, like a 13. That's where you're going to see that

play. I think you two know I would never round off a bolt or no, we've never done that.

The backside of a headlight. Yeah. Can't wait to work on your truck, Brian.

That happened fast. You do have a problem with getting it all the way in.

Funny story. I didn't tell you this when we took out the headlight, he took one bit and it wasn't

stripped. It was just the way we couldn't get to it. Yeah. And it came right out.

Because it wasn't going, we weren't going straight in at it. Yeah, exactly. It's really

hard to do. So that's where, I mean, in that case, that was a, it wasn't a Torx,

what do you call that? It was Torx. It was Torx. It was like a T 15 or something.

With Hex and Allen keys. And I rounded the outside to a T 16. So this is where it would be really

nice to have an Allen head bolt or Hex head bolt, because then you could use a ball

socket, Hex head, and you could get it at a really nice extreme angle. That's where those

really come in handy is you can come at Hex head bolts at an angle with ballhead

sockets and still get really good grip on them. So anyway, yeah, that little, that

half inch, that's the, that's the socket to half. If you have nothing but metric

tools and you're like, I don't want to buy those, so just buy the half inch. That's

the one you're going to round off the most. The rest of them are within,

I mean, they are almost the exact same size. It's within 0.1 millimeter, 0.2,

but 0.3 is enough to round it off. Yeah. Especially on a high torque and half

inch is going to be a relatively high torque bolt usually. Yeah. So I got a couple of fun,

fun little stories. There was a big like hypercar meet in Las Vegas a couple weeks ago.

They set the world record for the most amount of Bugattis and saw that everybody else

stopped by Koenigsegg and everything like that. Well, Koenigsegg being Koenigsegg and Christian

von Koenigsegg thinking, I'm, I'm here. Why don't we just head on over to Laguna Seca

seat? We'll take this new, it's their new Yesco, but it's the Cedir spear, I think it's

called. So they just went over during a noise restriction and not having carbon fiber wheels

and set the new lap record at Laguna Seca at one minute, 24 seconds and 60,

one minute, 24 seconds and 0.616. They did it on aluminum wheels and they made a makeshift

muffler. That's the ugliest thing in the world. I will include a photo of it in this, but

they took, you know, just because Laguna Seca mufflers make me laugh every time. Oh,

I love it. I've seen some crazy ones. They're all great. There is a,

there is a new law being passed. I want to say it's, it is going to pass. I think it's in South

Carolina, the most positive is South Carolina, where it's called the right to race law. And that is,

if you are stupid enough to buy a house next to a racetrack and then complain about the noise,

you can get hit with a fine for wasting their damn time because you are an F and moron.

But that'll never make it to California. No, California is way too stupid to do that.

I mean, and being that we've spent that much time, all of us in the Laguna Seca area,

people have purposely moved in next to that track and then decided to bitch about it, which is stupid.

So if you don't know, there are quiet, there's like, you're not allowed to really,

it's like, it's like a couple of hours a weekend that they can actually race.

Yeah. And not past three PM, like,

and you get fined if you're on the track. And you're on behalf of the track has residential

on the whole back half is all four doors. So, and it's all military, right? There's no

houses back there, but the sound carries right over to that road that cuts across

where there's like, I think there's an animal shelter or something across the street there.

But then there's all those houses along that hillside behind there.

And it's just stupid. It's a it's a it's a sonic chamber in there.

Yeah. So I can hear dirt fish this time of year because all the trees

all the trees dropped there. All the leaves are gone.

All the sound deadening. It's like a few hours a day at most.

And I smile every time like I get out there and I'm like, hell, yeah,

like I hear some some car out there that's, you know, I haven't heard before.

It's funny because when you live out here, you get to know the sounds of their cars,

which are very low. Their cars are quiet actually.

But somebody else is coming on the track for like a rally cross day or something.

And I'm like, that sounds awesome. Somebody's got a two step two.

Yeah. Somebody's got a flat playing crank v8 just ripping it.

I'm like, does somebody rally crossing a Ferrari? This is amazing.

We used to have a couple, a couple neighbors over there that you would,

that would complain when like the, you know, the lights car would go out there or something

like that, you know, the open car. Yeah.

And Sammy was always the one that had to field those phone calls.

And half the time she would just go, you live next to a race car.

And then that, you know, sometimes, you know, snow, he would show up and say,

Hey, can you stop that? Yeah. No. Sorry for the 35, 40 minutes a day.

You're losing that like, come on, man. I would love that.

So many others. There's a crowd. There's literally a gravel quarry down the road.

Like I can hear that way more than a hear dirt fish.

And then occasionally they're blasting up there, which they let us know.

Like there's a, there's, you can go to a site and see when they're blasting.

It's like they're doing it two in the morning.

And I'm like, what was that? Why is everything shaking? Oh, yeah.

The blasting. Like who cares, man? It's, it's not.

Yeah. It'd be different if it was like at 10 PM or something, but it's never.

It's like two in the afternoon. Yeah. Blasting in the middle of the night.

Okay. So I stole this next tip thing like that from Vin Wickey,

from Ed Boley and at Vin Wickey, who was just got back.

If you haven't seen any of the latest Vin Wickey episodes, go watch them.

He went on a McLaren F1 rally through the Smoky Mountains and things like that,

which is incredibly cool.

And McLaren F1 chassis 03 was there and he was talking about some of the stories

behind this car and the fact that initially I think it was,

who was running McLaren at the time? Is it Bruce Denet? I forgot his name.

This was the dragon, right? Did they run this at the dragon?

They ran him on the dragon. Yeah, but car number three was owned

by the CEO of McLaren at the time. Okay. Gordon Murray.

Is it Gordon Murray? No, not Gordon. He was a designer.

He designed it. Yeah. I don't remember.

So basically he sold it. It went to Japan. And the story is,

the title of the Vin Wickey thing was, Would You Trade Your Fiance for an F1?

Which happened, apparently, in the fact that this young man was

going to get married and his mother didn't like the fact of who he was marrying

and basically offered him a McLaren F1 if he got rid of her and he did.

Wow. And the car has then made its way to America. It has had one owner

and it gets driven, which I think is really cool. Also, this is another random fact, ADHD.

Did you know that McLaren, the F1s, the way the windows are shaped and things like that,

you can't get GPS signal and phone signal out of it? That's why you'll see a lot of times

with the McLaren F1s, with the rear hatches up, they've drilled through

the carbon fiber and put antennas and things like that.

Crazy. I will link the latest Vin Wickey. I love the Vin Wickey episode. He did the episode from

the rally and there's a lot of really cool cars on the rally. There's more McLaren F1s in

the United States than you think and there are people that drive them. But it was just

sort of an interesting story because like I said, the title of his episode was Would You

Trade Your Fiance for a McLaren F1. What does that car cost? It's 30? 35 now?

Well, here's there's a funny story about that as well. So they are basically almost impossible to

ensure because there is no limit to the value of the car in the sense that no matter how much

damage you do to it, it will never be totaled. Like you could burn it. It's like the guy that

must and didn't realize that it had been crashed. Right. And then it caught fire. Yeah. And

they still rebuilt it because it's so basically it's weird to put a value on a car like that

because it cannot depreciate with literally without being melted down to a point where it

isn't worth it to repair it. Yeah. But if you're going to own that car, you're going to self insure

it anyways. Yeah. And what you're going to pay to repair it or have McLaren repair it,

it's not going to be a tenth of probably what it's worth. Yeah. I mean, you could put 10

million into it and still come out on top. So literally, which is insane. Yeah. So yeah,

most I don't think I don't think what did that? There was that one that went to auction.

I think it got 20 million, 19 or 20 million. Yeah. No, this is like, this is like six years ago

and they've gone up now. So I mean, there was a, there was one on the rally that's got,

that's the black on black. I don't know what number car it was with the weight. It's got

the high wings, got the LM wing on it. Oh, the, the actual LT, the long, it's not a long tail.

It's not a long tail. It's like the orange one that Ralph Lauren owned. Oh, that's

everyone. Yeah. It's, but I don't, it's, and it's got an LM wing. I don't think it's

an LM though. Yeah. I used to have a model of the LT. Yeah. And the actual Le Mans cars were LT.

Yeah. Le Mans, excuse me, cars. That new Gordon Murray car that looks like a McLaren F1 is

beautiful. That's going to auction. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. I might trade my fiance for that.

I don't have one. So I would trade her. Good, good. Don't give me any.

We've talked about Jeep a lot. And I think that, you know, with the new guy coming back

into Ram and things like that, things are starting to come up. They dropped a new add. As of today,

they're going to drop a new version of a Wrangler, 12, 12, 12 different Wranglers over the next year.

They dropped their first one today, which is a 392 Moab edition. It's a Rubicon.

Let's just be honest. But it seems like they're, they're, they're willing to listen to people

that, you know, that, that engine was not going to be back in that car. Just sort of like.

Yeah. Now they're saying that we'll, it will never not have that engine. It will never

not have that engine. So. Which is, as long as he's in charge. That's on,

I think it's on brand for Jeep. I don't, it's. Well, but I mean, you have to understand,

when we talked about it, how many Jeeps are sitting on lots right now as it is.

Yeah. I mean, and, and don't give me, when you get a Jeep, and, and I've never actually owned one.

Me neither. The, what you can do with it, the Rubik's Cube that is the Jeep is,

is pretty amazing as far as if you want a daily driver, it'll be great. If you want to go

put it on portals and climb over rocks. If you want a daily drive, it'll be tolerable.

If you want to off road it, it'll be great. No, it's limitations. It's a great platform

because it's already got solid axles front and rear in a very simple,

simple frame. And that's not a bad thing off road. Like you said, it's a very easy to

modify vehicle. I mean, if you're going to get serious, you're going to be swapping

axles and all that, like anything else. But you know, because of that solid axle,

it doesn't have those limitations that we do in the, in our Broncos. So.

We don't have any limitations. Yeah. I mean, you can turtle them, but that's,

nobody be dumb enough to do that. Present company included. I'm definitely at the

point where like the limitations are fine because I do not want to go past them.

I don't have that desire. Other people do though. And I think that's great

because I love watching those people do, but that's not me.

I, I find like, I don't know how I, it was even came up. I was at the Safeways

Park and I think I had my sun visor down. It was a sunny day and somebody questioned

me though. Like, has your truck actually been to all those places with the patches?

Or you just buy those? Seriously? Yeah.

Who says stuff like that? A Jeep owner? Oh, I.

Duck duck goose. Yeah, really? Yeah. How many ducks do you have on your dashboard?

I will say this, like Jeep a couple of days ago, they came out with that new

Jeep Commando, which is like a kickback to like the original Jeep from World War

2. But it's naked. And it's naked. They're only going to sell 200 of them.

You have to be a veteran or active military. That's cool.

And Jeep will lose money on these because it's custom paint. It's custom. I mean,

the spare wheel and everything you can. And then if you want to, you can add another

11 grand to it and they'll put a whipple supercharger on it, which I think is really cool.

So I mean, to have a totally, well, but the fact of the matter is that truck,

they're only, they're selling it for 70. And again, to veterans, they'll lose money on it.

When you look at it, it's, it's basically, it's a 392. It's, it's got all the stuff.

It's got custom paint, all the custom work on it. That's cool. It's a $100,000 truck. And then

so I think that's kind of neat. Obviously, they've always been a big supporter of our military and

things like that. You hear that guys going to the military who want to leverage yourselves for

life. Don't buy the Hellcat by the Jeep. Exactly. Yeah. Oh my God. Wow. This is why I could

never feel dodge. No. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know. Yeah. I posed this question to you guys

before we started and it's a little bit of a bad boy question. You watch these, you watch

all these videos and people on motorcycles never, we're telling you don't, don't ever run

for the police. If you're, if you do something stupid, if you're caught doing a wheelie, pull

over. If you'll notice a lot of these videos, the minute the police officer comes up, a good

encounter or a bad encounter, they're ripping the key out of, out of the ignition and, and

all that. And I asked you guys, like, is that a law? Are you required to give somebody your

keys? And this is in a situation where let's say I'm out on the monkey and my tabs are expired

and I get pulled over and the cop comes up and asks for my key. He wouldn't do that in my

I'm not going to be able to get away. Let's just run and pull you off. Suspect has driven

away. I'm going to wait 15 minutes. I'll find him. Okay. So he'll be down there on the

corner, but I don't, I don't know that. I don't remember that on the test for it to get the

light, the endorsement that says, I understand why they do it 100%. It's like, you know, you could

get away. I mean, if they want, you know, I understand it's pull over, like Dan says, he

every time he's ever had an interaction on a bike with a cop, he pulls over, he puts up his visor,

he puts on his kickstand, he turns off the bike. Yeah. So if they ask, I was just looking

this up and, you know, Google is not a lawyer. So I'm really curious about this. I should have

asked my brother ahead of time. If they, if you are a flight risk, technically it says they can.

But it's protected under your fourth amendment, not to. But I mean, if I'm a flight risk in

my car. Yeah. And it's not, and I think cars are gray because you can't take the key out

of the ignition anymore. It's like the key sitting on my dad. They can argue that it's for your safety

and others. And they actually have a pretty strong case against that because what happens

when a motorcycle is running from the police, they usually crash into things and die. That's

the true story. As most people say, I can get away from the police. I'm on, you know,

I'm on my motorcycle. Yeah, you can, but you're probably not that good of a rider.

I just want to say this. I'm on the side of give them your key if they ask. I just was

curious. So I mean, normally, you know, I normally I would say that, you know,

they shouldn't have the right to just grab your keys. But at the same time,

how many times have we seen that? I mean, I know personally a ton of people who would just run

every time, especially in Washington, because they just don't chase. And they, and chances are,

you're not going to hurt somebody else. It does happen. I'm not going to be wrong,

especially if you're hitting somebody 150 miles an hour on a motorcycle. But chances are most

of them just go flying off the road and they run into things and die. So I don't know if in some

states they will chase you and run you off the road and you kill and kill you because you're

an idiot and will kill somebody else with those speeds. It's very hard to pit a motorcycle. Yeah,

you just they just tap you and you go flying. We talk about that at length. But like I said,

in my interactions, I've been pulled over twice. That's it. I've been talked to

while I've been stopped, but pulled over. I've been pulled over twice in my whole life.

And I literally just turned off my bike, put up my visor, put my kickstand down and just stood

next to my bike. Like, hey, I'm not going anywhere. The bike's off. You're going to outrun me.

Like, and it was not a problem. And it was cannot run radio. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like,

you know, I'm not going to Friday to run from the cops. Period. Some people might be, but

that's why I'm not doing it. Well, I mean, your chances are you can't control traffic at

that speed either. So like if you're open highway somewhere in the middle of nowhere,

maybe, but you said you can't run the radio. Can't run the, you know, the ghetto bird, you're

you know, you're screwed. I think it's a case by case basis by the

definitely by the officer, like, you know, they're going to pull somebody over,

depending on what happened before and or what, what constituted being pulled over

to begin with, if they were being erratic or whatever. But I think that if, if somebody's

just sitting in the gas station, getting fuel in their bike and then the cop pulls up and

says, turn off your bike and give me your key, that to me seems a bit excessive. And

we've all seen videos like that. Right. Yeah. So usually it's a cop that's been heated because

he was looking for you. You look like somebody. Yeah. And I mean, I love those videos. Like,

I mean, I forgot the name of the guy that does the videos. He wears the mask. Nobody knows

what he looks like. Oh yeah. Motorcycle and ghostwriter. Well, that's the original was

ghostwriter. Yeah. But this is like a Ukrainian gentleman that does these videos. And he

showed in their videos, people send in running and things like that. So I get that if you're

running and then some cop tackles you, give me your key. Well, you deserve to be tackled.

I agree. Yeah, there's definitely, there's also the, it does happen. Not very often,

but like you are riding fine by yourself in another group that goes chasing, running away.

And all of a sudden you're the one you're like, what are you talking to me for? I'm not

with those. Who are your friends? I don't have any. Yeah. I'm alone out here. Clearly not.

I'm riding a monkey. Yeah. I've heard those stories and especially working in the industry

long, so long, there's a million stories. Yeah.

Like most of those guys, I'm like, I know you, you absolutely deserved it.

Coming from, you know, a law enforcement family, my dad was a cop for 30 years at LAPD and

and then he taught administration of justice for 30 years after that.

You have a certain respect for law enforcement at that point and having so many friends.

So, and I've only been pulled over once, you know, on a bike and that was many decades ago.

I haven't ridden in a long, long time, but I forgot. And it wasn't for speeding. It was just,

you know, I ran a red light and, and, you know, I kind of deserved to be pulled over.

And I did the same thing that Dan did kickstand out, step off the bike, you know, even take

your helmet off at that point, you know, if you want to and make sure your bike's turned

off. And then that you just, you've disarmed the cop so they don't feel like they're,

now they got to jump back in their unit and go chase and after you kind of things.

Yeah. I got pulled over for no license plate because I didn't have it yet.

I just got the bike and have a license plate. And then I got pulled over for,

was that, it was my exhaust or something. Yeah.

And which was like I had my RC 51, which was straight race pipes. It was, I was like,

yeah, I just got it. I'm put, and I actually do ride with the silencers in my exhaust

because I don't like the drone in my helmet. It's just annoying.

Just got it happened with the silencers in yet. And he was like,

he's like, that is way too loud. He's like, I like bikes. I like pipes, but dude,

it's like, no, you're right. It's fair.

I was like, no, you're right. I literally was like, I just got them. And he's like,

he's like, it's cool. Just, he's like, get it fixed. Okay.

I'm open to, I'm not, obviously we're not condoning anything illegal. And I'm also

not condoning fighting with an officer. If you think you shouldn't give him your

key and they demand your key, give him the key. But yeah, yeah, it's probably,

it's not worth the hassle to be smart. Yeah. Again, again, this is just, you know,

you spend enough time in the automotive industry and you watching the videos and stuff.

One of the guys, I watched a guy get pulled over on a video and he did exactly what you did.

And the cop said, give me your key. He had taken out and put it in his pocket. And he said,

why? The cops like, I told you to give it to me. You have to give it to me. And I was like,

to you, that's interesting. And he, that's a different scenario. That's weird.

That's different. Taking it out of the emission, putting it in your pocket.

That's different. You know, I think that, I think that's different. But

even if you have that fleeting second of idea that you're going to be able to run,

not from a bike cop, dash cams all over the place, you're going to get caught.

You're definitely not going to get away from a bike cop.

No, definitely. Unless you're, you know, Rossy, you are not getting away.

He was like 250 pounds and riding a monkey. We'll find him eventually.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. There's a group of them and no qualmy.

No kidding. Yeah. He's only going to go so far. That tank's only so big.

The suspension's going to go out eventually.

Yeah. Okay. That's my question. So I would like, I think the officer would literally laugh

if I tried to run away. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, how stupid are you?

You're pedaling. I don't really want to have that conversation.

I'm cutting through the quarry.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of stupid and amazing things on motorcycles,

I shared it with you guys. I'm going to share it with you. I've discovered a new YouTube channel.

I am a huge fan of it. He's not new. He's a full-time YouTuber. His name is Matt Spears.

He is from Northern Idaho. And does he have an engineering degree?

I think he just batshit insane. He is batshit insane. What does he do?

He, so the video that got me hooked is it was a recommended video. Thank you,

YouTube algorithm. He bought a Amazon cruiser, one of the only V-Twin cruisers on Amazon,

unboxed it in a Walmart parking lot in Fairbanks, Alaska.

This is the second time he's done this. The second time he's done this, he,

and this is not in summer, and put a studded Volkswagen Beetle tire on the rear,

which barely fit a dirt bike rear tire on the front and studded it,

and rode it to Prudhoe Bay. What? Yes. The first time he bought a Amazon crotch rocket

and did the same thing, and the only reason he had to stop is because he hit,

the transition between the road and a bridge and it blew the front wheel apart.

Yeah, it cracked the whole wheel. He would have made it otherwise.

This is also a kid who found a beat-up hovercraft, and he built a trolley so it would

sit on train tracks, and then he goes into the Idaho wilderness on tracks that are

totally abandoned, abandoned tracks on a hovercraft converted.

Yeah, it was too slow. So he put a thousand cc two-stroke motor on it,

yeah, and then did that and barely made it. But the fact that, I mean,

if you watch his videos, there's no chase crew. There's no support crew.

He's just riding solo across Alaska on these makeshifts.

He put, he took a Hayabusa, turned it into a dirt bike and did hill climbs with it.

He also put a snowmobile track on the back of the same bike and turned it into a single track,

you know, snow bike. And then he's done that, the hardest motorcycle road in the world in

Idaho that goes with that. Yeah, with a Walmart special 250 single cylinder bike.

He pulled it out of the box in the parking lot. Yeah, like a 250 and rode it up.

Yeah. Yeah. He's also done on the same good on a motorcycle. Yeah.

Insanely good on a motorcycle. Wow. But I love his videos and I'm telling you guys to watch them

because I, you should watch them with your family. He is possibly the most positive

attitude person I've ever seen on YouTube. Like this dude could get hit by a truck

and be like, that wasn't convenient. Let's see what we can do to fix it.

Like sorry, he did your bumper, sir. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Like when his,

when his, that crotch rocket he bought that the wheel exploded, he literally got a ride back

with some Alaska and not a state trooper. He was a state of Alaska employee. Like they literally

just threw the bike in the back of a truck, hitchhiked it all the way back to Fairbanks.

And he, this is after he like duct taped and JB welded the wheel together.

Oh, he tried to fix the wheel. Oh, yeah. He was going to keep going.

Eventually it was just like, I just, he's like, there's just no way I can do this

anymore. Like the way it was just way too dangerous. Wow.

It's, I mean, it's cool. That's remarkable. What's his name again?

Matt Spears. I'll send you the link. I'll put the link in the episode notes because

it's really worth the watch. And I really mean it's worth a watch with your family.

Okay. Like this kid's in his 20s. I mean, he's a kid. He's in his 20s. Not a kid.

But like, man, I wish I had seen someone like that when I was that age who was just like,

I'm going to figure it out. And nothing really stops him. Nothing gets in his way.

He's just going to figure it out until he can't. And if he's like,

oh, yeah, like the hovercraft thing almost breaks down.

Yeah. Well, I guess I'll just have to walk 20 miles back. I'll camp under the stars

and we've got food. Like, he's just like, I'll figure it out.

Like, and he's not, he's not stupid. Like the kid is smart enough to fix his stuff.

He knows how to weld. He knows how to fabricate. And, you know,

he's really honest about, I don't know how to do this. I don't figure this out.

You know, I gotta, he was doing the fuel tank on the Hayabusa. He put the Hayabusa

engine after the bike basically destroyed itself into the frame of an old Honda.

I think it was a CR, CR 450, CR 250, two stroke aluminum frame, like cut it up and

figure out how to weld the aluminum and align the engine and just kind of figured it out as he went.

I respect the humility of the process of like, don't know how to do this. Guess we'll figure

it out. And it has to be an engineer or it has to have some sort of engineering background.

Well, either that or an engineering dad or he's just one of those people that just sits there

and goes, I'm going to figure this out. I'm going to read it. I'm going to do it.

Who doesn't have ADHD that gets distracted. Like, I could do that. Like, I can figure out,

I could teach myself how to weld. But the problem is, by the time I learned to weld,

I would have built a half of an outhouse, repaired the car, you know, let the sink.

You're a multitask. Yeah. Sure. He did the Idaho. Here's another video. He did the Idaho BDR

on a converted GL 1800 Goldwing that and he did it. You're kidding. With his girlfriend.

Talk about in for the ride, like talk about the perfect match. Like she's,

she's having a blast. He did something else on that railroad

thing. He had the hovercraft last time. He converted an electric car. That's what it was.

A plastic tub electric car, like a really old electric car. He basically converted that into

a rail car and then he runs into trouble. We got to meet this guy. I really think we do.

I want to go meet him. He's a full-time YouTuber now. Just cool dude. And like,

it's we've been watching all of his videos inside because it's really fun to see how he

figures stuff out. But he like, he puts his faults in the video. Like he bought the bike

Walmart or Amazon wouldn't ship the cruiser up to Alaska. So he bought it down here

and he has a big like a van he took up there. Well, he bought a bunch of studs. He was going to

put in the tire and he gets up. He goes, studs I bought are too long. They're going to pierce

the tire. He goes, and then that set off this whole other thing. He was calling people going,

will you stud this tire? And they're like, I'm not going to put studs on a motorcycle.

Like, no. And they would, he eventually found the VW tire, which they wouldn't mount.

So he mounts it himself. Mounts a car next to the river bed. Yeah. In the mud. He's like,

swipe it off and mount this tire on. I gotta watch this guy. Dude, sounds great. Yeah. It's,

I mean, we, we talk about it in our group and the fact that we always have something playing

in the background, like when you're working, because that's just the way my brain works.

I have his videos and like, I will say this, like I'm not good at watching a whole

YouTube video, but when I play his video, like it takes my attention. Yeah. We've turned

it into like a, you know, an evening TV show versus having YouTube in the background

thing. I guess that good. And he was in the middle of nowhere with some boxcars they pushed

off the side. And he's like, I hear something out there. And he puts on a flashlight and

there's this giant moose, like about 50 yards from me. He's like, okay, go on the bed.

Nope. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it wild how much, how much YouTube we consume now, even like,

even the last two years, like how much more it's, it's like even for us in our house, we,

we consume a decent amount of channels that, you know, as well as the one subscription I

pay for. Honestly. I don't, I don't, I get tired of all the rest of them, but I love

YouTube because I like, well, one, it's instructional. It's my main resource for,

I like to watch how somebody does something. We're doing your headlights.

Yeah. It's just, or you know, I'll watch like, Hey, how do you remove the bumper?

Because I need to know what's behind it. Not because I need to replace the bumper.

It's like, Oh, I'm going to do some other work. Oh, I can watch me take this thing

apart. And that'll leave me to see what I need. But speaking of that, the gentleman

that took that headlight out that we learned drama, he dramatized the crap out of that.

His channel period is all about drama. Like if you watch, I watched his stuff

before I did my roof rack, because he had done his roof rack and he was talking about,

Oh my God, you can't do this. You're going to drop the nut and it's going to go down

into the airbag and then you're going to blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, if you,

if you just slow down, maybe don't drink four cups of coffee before you try to do stuff like

that, then you're going to be fine and not be,

The videos are good. I just, they're good. And he's done a crap ton to that

truck, but, but at the same time he's, he's a bit on the jittery side.

For our younger listeners and you know, there's a bunch of old guys out here.

If you're in, I wish I had seen stuff like that in my 20s. I really do.

I wish we had that information. Exactly. Because I would have done more.

Like I considered myself pretty adventurous. I still do because we'd,

you know, we go ride our monkeys through hell's revenge and we're,

we're going to do the Rubicon and things like that. We're talking about. Oh, I see.

The monkeys are going to the Rubicon. Okay. At some point. Yeah.

We've talked about that before. They're great. We think we can do it in the day.

Oh, that's adventurous. Well, pick it up. Put it over the rock. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, oddly enough, it's, I mean, when I did, we don't know that by the chicken corners.

When we did chicken corners, when I first did it in the F 150,

it took me the greater part of a day. I did it on the monkeys in two hours

with my buddy Brandon. It was literally just, weee, out, weee back. No big deal.

They made that noise. It did. They do make that noise.

But it's just simple and fun on the monkey, on the hamper bar.

The Rubicon is kind of the same way as long as it's dry, because you,

you can pack the tires or things that are just so small, but as long as it's dry,

you can just pick it up, go around things. It's a whole different kind of fun.

Well, I was going to bring up Moab. Like we, have we started like formulating a plan for Moab?

I mean, we always have a plan for Moab. As far as going back,

there's one in the group right now that doesn't want to go back to Moab

because we've been two years in a row.

Sorry. It's the greatest off-road place in the world.

I've been very lucky to go to a lot of places as a child, things like that.

And I, I consistently dream of Moab. And I think we beat it as a dead horse on this show.

But I see, I, I see myself sometime in the future living somewhere near Moab,

like where I can get to Moab in a day, not a thousand mile drive.

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree. I could see myself that way.

But also, you know, when we bought the bikes,

we said that we were going to invent, do different things. Like I said,

and it's been, we've never had a normal adventure on the motorcycles.

Like they went to Moab this year, they got one ride, somebody got hurt.

I don't know who that is. No.

Wasn't me. So that's the point. But we need, they need to go somewhere.

They haven't gone kind of thing. And so that's why we're thinking, we, you know,

and again, I, this, I love saying statements that makes people yell at the radio because I,

I think we could put, I literally think we could do the Rubicon in a weekend.

I did too.

Because I think we could leave here Friday, drive down Saturday, go.

The only thing I have to figure out is how we get back. I don't,

I don't think you could do it twice in a day.

You can just ride around, ride around.

And then I think we could pack the stuff up and be back, be back by Sunday night.

Like I, and I think that would be somewhat.

That's a good goal.

Well, here's, I would, you know, my only objection to that is you were right next

to Yosemite and you're right next to Tahoe.

Yes.

So it'd be fun to just kind of dink around the park.

Yeah.

Because the worst thing about Yosemite is, honestly, it's the traffic.

You have to worry about the monkeys.

You can just go around, go around.

We could go to Mammoth and I could not have a sunburn and maybe enjoy it.

That's true.

That'd be fun.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

That would be good.

Anyway.

So I mean, that's, you know, that's the spirit of adventure.

So I don't know.

But yeah, we will, obviously Moab will be something.

I still need to share Moab with Kate.

Like she's never been.

Yeah.

She missed out.

And I think.

I need to share that with Sammy too.

But I, I think when I share it with her, it's going to be a lot less

vicious than it was this last time.

She's not a huge fan of being bounced around in the car.

Like, I think, you know, Schaefer trail would be great.

Schaefer, Onion Creek.

Onion Creek.

Yeah.

Definitely Onion Creek.

So it'll have to be something like that.

Yeah.

I think that's great.

Yeah.

Now that we have trail, we have trail turn turn on.

So now we would be able to walk.

So I've been so busy in the last, I throw in the field.

Well, no, I think, I think actually that lot down there at the bottom of,

where I come down my hill and it hits, I think that big gravel lot.

I think I could try it.

Yeah. As long as we're around.

This is the one thing that trail turn that people don't do enough

is you got to give it gas.

It needs gas.

Yeah.

You kind of got to, you kind of got a four wheel drive.

Non-locked and you just got to crank it and it.

Rear diff locked.

Unlocked.

No, I read rear diff locked.

Unlocked.

You sent me literally a thing that said unlocked.

You didn't really unlock.

Yeah.

You did.

Okay.

I thought I said unlocked it with trail turn.

If you lock it with trail turn, you're going to have a problem.

Yeah.

Okay.

So unlocked.

Yeah.

Just unlock it.

And it'll just.

Because it'll race that way.

Because it brakes that one side, right?

With the rear differential disengaged.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

I read it as locked.

He don't do that.

Well, it won't, it won't go on.

It won't go on it.

Yeah.

The main thing is you just got to give it some gas

and then it works awesome.

Yeah.

I would have loved to have had it for that one turn on the white rim.

Yeah.

I think Gar, I used it, didn't he, on there?

Or did he not?

He did.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, those cyclists were fucking pissed at us, but.

Yeah.

Those guys.

Yeah.

Those guys.

Another little, it's not a T.

Because they don't pay us.

Reaver.

Have you guys used the Reaver app before?

So there's a writing app called Reaver, R-E-V-E-R.

And the reason I'm bringing it up, and it's 20 bucks a year

for the subscription, which the only reason that is worth it

is because Reaver is partnered with Butler Maps.

Oh.

Yeah.

And so that means all the BDRs are on it.

Yeah.

It also means all their G1, G2, and G3 maps are on it.

And for those who don't know, the G series maps from Butler

are the best curvy roads in the area.

They're specifically designed for motorcycles, road motorcycles.

Not dual sports.

This is curvy fun roads.

And I did a little, I did the demo to try it out

and just looked at some roads that I know were awesome.

And it actually did have most of them, especially around Utah

and places like that.

Does it have an iPad app or is it just strictly phone?

It has an iPad app.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you could use it in the truck.

Yeah.

It works sort of just like Gaia or Onyx or one of those,

but it's got curvy roads on it.

It's not as robust as I might want,

but it does have route sharing, route tracking.

It has a lot of the same features as Onyx or Gaia,

but it specifically has that curvy road function

and all the BDRs.

So instead of buying the Butler maps or whatever,

you're still getting money to them by partnering with Reaver,

so you're not ripping off Butler.

But they're all programmed in a digital interface.

I still like having the physical maps

because they're fun to look at.

Yeah.

But if you want it on a budget

and you want to find some fun roads, I'd check it out,

try the demo, see if it works for you.

They must use the open street maps on that.

I think it is actually.

I don't think there's anything more fun

to pull over the side of the road

and put a big map on the hood.

Try to figure out.

I do enjoy that.

There's just something old school about that.

It's quite satisfying.

Back in the day.

So if you go to, if you open the app

and it looks like little binoculars,

it uses map box.

Oh, same as Onyx.

Yeah.

And so you use little binoculars in the corner

and you click that and you hit paved or all terrain.

They have off-road and mixed surfaces.

Now, Onyx is better for off-road hands down.

I tried to compare them.

They don't.

But if you go down for single track,

being that it's a bike app.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Just as off-road and then BDR off-road,

clear all like it has a lot of them,

the same stuff that Onyx does.

But I mean, Onyx doesn't do road.

I've emailed them about it

and I've tried to talk to them about it.

They want to do,

because we tried to do with my company,

we were looking for a mapping solution

for the new device.

And we talked to them and

you know, most of the stuff

was going to be off grid anyway.

So it didn't really matter.

So it was going to fall straight into that same sort of thing.

But you know, I asked them that same question

that you were talking about,

you know, what about people

that are traveling across country,

you know, that kind of stuff.

They're going to fall off grid

on the middle of I-80 somewhere across Wyoming,

right, where they're not going to have any.

And they just, you know,

they just leverage whatever they have,

whatever they downloaded beforehand,

which is not robust,

not as robust as it could be.

Man, if I had access to APIs,

I could do some amazing things.

And which is just because I could,

I could AI query Onyx,

roadtrippers, you know,

Reaver, these,

and then Google and be like,

Hey, look at these three areas,

find me points of interest,

find me points that fit my,

my liking.

And then you could,

it could query all that data for us.

Yeah.

Or not at the point

where you have to manually do that anymore.

It's just these apps aren't cross talking enough.

No.

Somebody figures that out.

You're going to kiss them all goodbye,

unfortunately.

Exactly.

Like instantaneously.

Exactly.

Because once,

because it was a little different conversation,

but this is when people don't understand

how AI is changing things,

this is where it's really at.

It's not those cool images you see

or are tired of in your Instagram feed.

No.

What will I look like when I'm 60?

Yeah, it's not that.

It's the ability to query insane amounts of data

and make it manageable.

So like when I,

when I use AI at work,

I'm no longer like,

Hey, would you know,

I tell it to find me a document.

It's going to search the entire company directory.

Has anybody worked on something similar to this?

And I don't have to spell it out

into exact syntax of find this phrase or this word.

It's find me something that follows this theme

and give it to me back.

And it's really, really good.

Things like this is a perfect example.

I agree with you completely

because it's going to be able to crunch data

like nothing else.

Yeah.

Like nothing else.

Or an app that goes out.

And maybe this is kind of what you're talking about

and goes,

Okay, for this part of the route,

I'm going to use Google Maps

for this part of the route

and puts it together.

Exactly.

And this route,

you're going to go to Onyx

and then this one,

you're going to go to Reverb.

Well, the best,

yeah, that's the thing is,

is it can do deep analysis.

Of saying, Hey, which one is better?

And I'll say, Hey, based on your history,

and it depends on how much information you want to give it.

Oh, I don't want to give it my history.

But it's like,

based on your history anyway,

based on your,

you could be like,

Hey, look at all my Google photos.

Look at all my Apple photos.

Look at my Google Maps search history.

Look at all the photos I've taken.

Based on that,

which areas around me

do you think I would enjoy the most?

And if you gave it the data

and you're getting into a lot of legal area here,

it would actually give you

some really amazing results.

You could get some crazy good results

that you've never found before.

You seem to go to a lot of strip clubs.

You think you've deleted that history,

but have you really?

I'm sending you to the chicken bone.

It's not what you think.

Yeah.

Okay.

But it could crunch all that data

instantaneously

and give you a really amazing result.

I just have it write my emails for me

just to make sure I'm not

everybody does illiterate.

I mean, yeah,

it's pretty much everything's pretty written.

Copilot just comes up now.

It knows it's like,

I see you writing an email.

Would you like me to write that for you?

Oh, yeah, I hit the copilot button

all the time now for work.

It's funny because I was talking to somebody

who's back in school, actually,

and there's a bunch,

you know, of course,

don't use AI because of plagiarism,

which makes perfect sense.

I get the argument against it.

But I said the other argument of that

is if you're not using AI to,

if you're in an information system school

or you're in a networking class

or something like that,

you are at an unemployable level

of disadvantage.

Agreed.

I wouldn't have it write me stuff in school,

but I would go out and go,

I'm writing a paper about this.

What should I know?

Yeah, exactly.

And have AI give me tips

that I could take in real sources.

Give you a real difference

than having to do the work.

Oh, I mean, I get the whole,

like, I need a paper on George Washington click.

Yeah.

Yeah. Or, you know,

and the fun thing you can do

when you're doing something like that

is validate the resources you gave me.

Yeah.

That's the trick people forget

when they plagiarize with AI.

It's like, here's,

you just write me a paper on this,

like, okay, validate the resources,

validate the data you gave me,

and I'm like, oh, you're correct.

Yeah.

Wasn't that lawsuit a couple of years ago

about that guy who wrote his whole brief

that was all written by AI?

And then he turns out that the AI

was referencing precedents

that weren't real.

And then it was just scientific papers

are easily manipulated.

Also, and I don't ever cheat,

but have AI write you like a C-level

or B-level paper.

Because if you start to write A-level,

the software does not make it A-level.

Mr. Vergeron is no longer illiterate.

Well, it's funny.

You use it enough,

and the patterns are really easy to see.

Copilot uses a lot of dashes

when it creates papers.

Oh, does it?

So it's like, it's just the way that it's written.

It's because it's...

It's thinking.

It's sort of, it's depending on

how you write your emails.

And because it's gonna,

if it's gonna write a paper for you

using the way you would write it,

it's gonna look like that.

And so it'll try and create how you speak,

especially if it's pulling data

from meeting notes.

No, it does.

It absolutely, I mean...

I'm not trying to sell that I'm a total moron,

but like, I will write an email,

and then I cut and paste it in,

and I go, does this look right?

And I mean, mine is chromatically.

That's a smart way to do it.

You're trying to come across professional

when sometimes you don't.

And efficient.

Well, I click it.

I want it professional.

Yeah.

Like, do you want professional casual?

Yeah.

No, that's just...

Write it like I'm in a trash can.

Yeah.

Interesting divergence for the show,

but it is interesting because

is that gonna help us later?

Just make us dumber.

Well, we're gonna see AI getting farther

and farther into cars.

Like, when you look at the fact that,

you know, next year, we talked about,

you know, Apple's gonna be out of Chevrolet

and things like that.

They're gonna need to replace those.

That's just a Google backend.

But I'm just saying,

eventually we will have AI

that will be built into our cars.

Like, it's like...

Well, it's funny, it's been there

a long time already,

because remember when they were trying

to put Alexa in cars?

Yeah.

Back in the Amazon days?

Like, that was...

We have Alexa in our cars.

Ford is like Ford...

Forces it.

Oh, that's right.

It's still in there.

Yeah.

Ford tries to force Alexa.

Yeah.

Remember when Amazon was trying

to do it standalone?

Yeah.

They were trying to build a car,

weren't they?

I think they're just

subsidizing out, like, slate things

like that.

But there's just...

No, I turned it off in my car.

It's obnoxious.

That is the most violent relationship

I have in my lifestyles with Alexa.

I say things to that...

things.

Yeah.

Yeah, I just...

Even my wife yells at that thing.

Yeah, we had.

We had one in...

But we still have one in the house.

It hasn't been plugged in

and probably, I don't know,

over a year.

Yeah.

You know, because all we would do is say...

The newest version is so buggy.

Yeah.

Well, I wouldn't even trust you with that

because I have Google for home control.

That's it.

That's all you use it for now.

And it...

I'm like, I have Gemini as well

because I have YouTube Premium.

So it comes with the Gemini subscription

and all that.

Their own AI.

And I'm like,

why haven't you ported Gemini to the speakers?

Because it actually works relatively well.

For conversation speaking, though,

nothing comes close to GROC.

Nothing.

It is light years ahead of standard conversation dialogue.

I've tried them all.

I do it for fun, mainly,

but also for work.

I just want to know which is working best

and why it's sort of a...

I don't know.

When people started talking about that,

I thought they were talking about Gronk from...

Oh, like, Gronkowski?

Yeah.

That's funny.

He's not that smart.

But I guarantee you,

if you took somebody who didn't grow up

with computers that they're still around

and you got them in a conversation with GROC,

it would take them probably 30, 45 minutes,

even notice.

Really?

It's that good.

It can have...

That's the one through X, right?

Yeah, it's cool,

but like you said,

it's absolutely scary.

Yeah, scary.

Because I have gotten the conversations with it,

almost unknowingly.

Like, I'll test it at first,

and then it starts responding back

with things I'm actually interested in hearing.

And not in that, you know,

robotic...

I've never touched it.

...alikes that kind of way.

Is it just...

So you open X and it's in there?

Yeah.

Can you start talking to it?

Yeah.

Ooh, new friends.

You have the GROC app?

You don't need any more friends, buddy.

Okay, let's just cut it back a little bit.

That's true.

I've asked it about music,

things like that,

where I'm like, I can't...

I don't want to go into this,

it's a long conversation,

but it comes back with responses that

I would expect exactly from a human

and almost indecipherable.

Based on my profile,

my knowledge,

what I'm asking about,

it's pretty amazing stuff.

It's pretty scary stuff.

That's very useful.

But it's also pretty useful.

When you talk about cars

and how that transfers over,

one of the biggest pains,

one of the things I should say,

one of the things I use the most

in my car,

I think all of us do,

is we use Google Maps

or Waze for navigation all the time.

It's the plain language model

that works so well.

Like if you're talking to your car,

most of the time we hate it,

because it doesn't get right,

it doesn't listen right,

it doesn't give me the results I want.

But with that,

you could literally just be like,

hey, I like this restaurant a lot in town.

Is there anything else around it in this?

Or I'm going to this town,

I'm going to,

you know, I'm going to go to Utah

and I want to find a good Mongolia

real restaurant.

Instead of coming back with saying,

this one's rated four stars,

this is five stars,

it will come back and say,

reading the reviews,

some of these seem biased,

so I wouldn't trust half of them.

Like it'll say stuff like that.

What?

It's your like,

what?

Skynet.

This is Skynet.

And it's like,

it's like,

based on your other reservations

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About this episode

The hosts dive into the quirks of working on vintage British cars, highlighting the unique Whitworth tools needed for classic Morgans and the subtle differences in JIS screws on older Japanese motorcycles. They share practical advice on tool compatibility and bolt sizing, sprinkled with personal anecdotes. The conversation shifts to recent automotive news, including Koenigsegg's record-breaking lap at Laguna Seca using a makeshift muffler and aluminum wheels, and a new 'right to race' law in South Carolina aimed at protecting racetrack noise. The episode blends technical tips with engaging stories about car culture and racing.

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Our friend and neighbor Brian Dallas swings by the show to join us again this week! If you're in the area and would like to join us for a show, send us a message! We don't open the studio every week, but we always enjoy good company.

On this weeks episode, Koenigsegg randomly decided to take their Sadair’s Spear, which is a more track focused Jesko, over to Laguna Seca and break the lap record! Of course to do that they had to put the worlds ugliest muffler on it to comply with Laguna Seca's noise ordinances. We still love it and we're always glad to see Christian Von Koenigsegg breaking records and pushing limits. We also discuss Motorcycle etiquette, Whitworth and JIS tools, and a YouTuber we think you should be watching with your family, Matt Spears.

While talking about the Rever mapping app, which is really useful for finding curvy roads, we talk about how AI could potentially replace all these apps very easily. What useful ways are you using AI today in your cars?

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