The New Audi Supercar, Buzz Lightyear 911, A Filson Edition Bronco And MORE! THIS CAR POD! EP115
THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!
The New Audi Supercar, Buzz Lightyear 911, A Filson Edition Bronco And MORE! THIS CAR POD! EP115THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! · Jun 12, 2026
A “halo car” is a standout, attention-grabbing car a brand uses to make people excited. It’s often not the one that sells the most, but it helps sell the brand’s image.
When a car is limited to a set number of units, it means only that many will be built. That usually makes the car feel more exclusive because there are fewer available.
GT usually means a “grand touring” version—more about fast, comfortable driving over longer distances. The host is guessing there might be a GT version in the limited run.
Limited production means a car is built in a capped quantity rather than in large numbers. The host ties this to exclusivity and pricing: fewer cars produced generally means higher demand and higher prices.
The Tesla Cybertruck is an electric pickup truck. It’s known for its unusual, sharp-looking design and for running on electricity instead of gas. People talk about it because it’s a very different kind of truck compared to normal pickups.
V10 means the engine has 10 cylinders arranged in a V shape. Engines like this are common in supercars because they can rev high and feel very energetic.
A “4.2 liter V8” is an engine with eight cylinders, shaped like a V, and it’s 4.2 liters total in size. The host is saying that earlier R8s used this engine, which helped them feel different.
A manual transmission is when you shift gears yourself using a clutch pedal. The host is saying that having a manual option made the car feel more special to driving fans.
The Maserati MC12 is a rare, high-performance supercar. It’s made in very limited numbers, so it’s mostly for collectors and serious enthusiasts. The podcast brings it up because fans talk about the community around these cars.
The Lamborghini Gallardo is a Lamborghini supercar that was sold in large numbers compared to other Lamborghinis. The hosts are saying Audi worried the R8 would pull customers away from the Gallardo.
In car marketing, “cannibalizing” means one car ends up stealing customers from another car. Here, they’re saying Audi worried the R8 would pull buyers away from Lamborghini’s Gallardo.
A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. They’re saying the R8 started with a V8 instead of a bigger engine, partly to keep it from competing too directly with Lamborghini’s lineup.
The Audi R8 is Audi’s supercar. The hosts are saying that near the end of its production, there were still cars sitting in showrooms, so Audi needed a different approach.
The Audi RS Q8 is a fast, performance-focused version of Audi’s big SUV. The hosts are saying people don’t seem as excited about it as they are about certain supercars.
Preventative maintenance is taking care of a car before it develops a serious problem. It’s basically the “service it early so it doesn’t fail later” approach.
Stellantis is a big car company that owns multiple brands. The hosts are saying you should be careful about buying one of their cars if it’s no longer covered by warranty.
The Audi Q7 is a big luxury SUV that can seat a family in three rows. Here, they’re saying Audi redesigned it, which usually means updated styling and technology after many years on the market.
The Mercedes-Benz GLS is a large luxury SUV with three rows of seats. It’s designed for families or anyone who needs more passenger space. The podcast mentions it because this type of SUV is a competitive category with many similar options.
The Audi SQ7 is a sportier, higher-power version of Audi’s Q7 SUV. It’s built to feel quicker and more exciting than a normal family SUV.
Term
screens galore
“Screens galore” just means the car’s interior has lots of digital displays. Instead of mostly buttons and gauges, you get big screens for driving info and entertainment.
This refers to automakers reallocating engineering budgets away from internal-combustion models and toward electric vehicles (EVs). The implication is that luxury SUV refreshes can lag when companies prioritize EV platforms, powertrains, and software.
The Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV is a big electric Mercedes SUV. The hosts bring it up as an example of Mercedes going electric and keeping older gas cars around longer.
This is a V6 engine with a turbocharger, and it’s 2.9 liters total. The turbo helps it make power, but the host says it doesn’t feel exciting right when you press the gas.
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV made by Porsche. It’s meant to be comfortable for daily driving but still feel sporty. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the owner had to replace coil packs, which is a normal kind of repair on many cars.
Coil packs are parts that help your gas engine create the spark to ignite fuel. If you have to replace them often, it usually means the engine isn’t firing as smoothly as it should.
This is basically a plan to help pay for repairs and routine service. The goal is to avoid surprise bills when something breaks. What it covers depends on the specific contract details.
Depreciation is how a car’s resale value goes down as it gets older. If a new version is coming, the older one often becomes worth less. That’s why timing can matter for cost.
Diesel is a type of engine that runs differently than a gasoline engine. It’s often used when people want good pulling power and efficient highway driving.
Overland mods are upgrades people add to help a car handle road trips in remote areas. They’re usually about carrying gear and improving things like lighting and practicality for camping-style travel.
A headlight pod is basically the headlight’s housing, like a separate design “chunk” on the front of the car. The speaker thinks the new design looks a little strange compared to what they’re used to.
The Ford Bronco is an SUV designed for off-road driving. It’s built to handle rough roads and trails better than many regular SUVs. The podcast mentions a “new Bronco” variant, which usually means Ford is adding updates or a special version.
“Detuned” means the engine is set up to make less power than the most aggressive version. The goal is usually smoother driving or better long-term durability.
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. The podcast is talking about a version that uses a performance engine setup, but tuned to make less power than the most extreme option. People bring it up because it can still feel cool and fast while staying more practical.
The Ford Bronco Raptor is a tougher, more extreme off-road Bronco. It’s the “go big” version, with upgrades meant for rough trails rather than normal driving.
Car
Lincoln Bronco
A “Lincoln Bronco” would be a more luxury-styled Bronco, but under the Lincoln brand. They’re talking about it as a possible future version and what would make it feel less flashy and more comfortable.
Sound dampening is what car makers do to reduce how much road and engine noise you hear inside. It’s one of the ways to make a truck feel more comfortable.
Powertrain is the car’s main “go” system: the engine and the parts that deliver that power to the wheels. If two cars have the same powertrain, they usually drive more similarly than if they just share the same body.
“Luxurify” here means adding comfort-and-luxury features to a vehicle that’s originally built for a different purpose (like rugged off-road use). The host questions whether adding luxury elements to a design that’s fundamentally about removable/frameless doors can actually work as intended.
Acoustic glass is special glass in the windows meant to cut down road and wind noise. If the doors are removable and don’t seal like normal doors, it may be harder for acoustic glass to do its job.
Wind noise is the audible sound created by airflow around a vehicle—often at door seams, window edges, mirrors, and roof openings. The host is reacting to marketing claims that acoustic glass, seals, and aerodynamics reduce perceived wind noise by 20%.
Frameless doors mean the windows don’t have a thick metal frame around them. The host is saying that, with doors that can come off, it’s tough to keep wind noise down because the sealing is more complicated.
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-aggressive 911 meant for track driving. It has big aero and a high-revving engine, so it looks and feels very “race car.”
They’re talking about a special charity Porsche 911 themed around Buzz Lightyear. They’re matching different Porsche models to different Toy Story characters.
In car styling talk, “wings” usually means aerodynamic body elements like front/rear spoilers or winglets. Here, the speaker is comparing how the themed red accents look in the wing areas versus the other cars.
A charity auction is an auction where the proceeds go to a charitable cause. In car culture, these events can drive unusually high prices because buyers are competing while supporting a cause.
A write-off is when something you paid for can be treated as a deduction for tax purposes. The host is saying the buyer might get some tax advantage from it.
Goodyear is a well-known company that makes tires. Here, they’re making special tires for a themed charity tie-in, so the tires are part of the joke/branding.
Here, “takeovers” means car meet events where people show off their cars. The point is that instead of replacing special tires, the host would just add stickers to get the look.
It’s a driving school that teaches advanced skills on a controlled course. They practice things like braking hard and handling the car when it starts to slide.
Car
Dodge Srt
In this podcast, “Dodge” is mentioned because it’s connected to a driving school for high-performance cars. The idea is that people can learn how to drive these cars more safely and effectively. It’s not a specific car model here, but a brand-related program.
Autocross is a timed course where you drive through a cone layout. Advanced training means learning to steer and accelerate more precisely and confidently.
The BMW M2 is a smaller BMW built for performance. It’s meant to handle well and feel sporty, not like a regular everyday car. The podcast mentions a “new M2,” meaning there’s a newer version people are talking about.
X-Drive is BMW’s all-wheel-drive technology. It can send power to more than one axle to help with grip, but this M2 is described as still mostly acting like a rear-wheel-drive car.
It means the car usually sends more power to the rear wheels. The front wheels help when traction is needed, but the driving feel stays closer to rear-wheel drive.
This is how fast the car gets from 0 to 60 mph. Faster zero-to-60 generally means quicker acceleration, but it can vary with traction and how the car launches.
Topic
M2 drivetrain choices (manual RWD vs automatic AWD)
They’re talking about how the BMW M2 can be configured. Specifically, you can get a manual only with rear-wheel drive, while the all-wheel-drive version uses an automatic. They also mention the starting price.
All-wheel drive means power goes to all four wheels. That usually helps the car grip better on slippery roads. In this segment, they’re saying the AWD version of the M2 comes only with an automatic.
“Tossable” is a compliment meaning the car is easy to steer quickly and confidently through turns. It feels agile rather than heavy or difficult to place.
A six-cylinder engine has six cylinders working together to make power. People often like it because it can feel smoother and more refined than some smaller engines.
The BMW XM is BMW’s big, flashy performance SUV. It’s meant to be a special, high-power version of an SUV, but the hosts are saying it didn’t really land with buyers.
Car
Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon
The Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon is a famous, very boxy SUV that’s known for being tough and capable off-road. The hosts are basically saying other brands try to copy the vibe, but the G-Wagon is still the standard.
The G-Class is a luxury SUV that’s also built for off-road driving. It’s known for its very boxy shape and tough design. The podcast mentions it because other brands try to make similar SUVs, but the G-Class is still its own thing.
The Land Rover Defender is a tough, off-road SUV with a classic boxy design. In this segment, they’re saying it’s a decent alternative to the G-Wagon, particularly because it can cost less.
The Lexus LX is a comfortable, upscale SUV that’s also capable off-road. The hosts are saying it’s a good choice for people who want something practical and mature rather than flashy.
In car talk, “stock” means the vehicle is largely unmodified from how it left the factory. Enthusiasts often contrast stock cars with modified ones because changes like tuning, suspension, and exhaust can dramatically change how fast and how exciting the car feels.
Diamond Motor Works is the shop/dealer the host bought the car from. They’re also part of the story because they said they would handle the timing belt before the host takes the car.
“NA” means naturally aspirated, so the engine makes power without a turbocharger. Pairing that with an automatic transmission usually makes the car cheaper and easier to drive, but it changes the character compared with a turbo + manual setup.
This is a car with a turbo engine and a stick shift. The turbo helps the engine make more power, and the stick shift means you control the gears yourself.
A “sport roof” is a roof setup that can be removed or opened up more than a normal roof. It’s meant to make the car feel more open-air when you want it.
The “Viper” is the Dodge Viper, a very loud, high-performance American sports car. People like it because it’s dramatic and driver-focused, not just “computer fast.”
The Toyota Sequoia is a big Toyota SUV. It’s the kind of vehicle people use for everyday driving and family trips, and here it’s mentioned to show the speaker actually owns more than just sports cars.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car from Toyota. It’s known for being fun to drive and popular with enthusiasts, and here it’s mentioned to show the speaker owns a real performance car from Toyota.
The Toyota Camry is a regular, everyday car that’s meant for families and commuting. People like it because it’s comfortable and practical. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because many families keep buying Camrys over the years.
The “cluster” is the dashboard display with your gauges and warning lights. If it “lost” the cluster, it likely means the gauges or screen stopped working, which usually takes time and money to fix.
Term
monospecule
They’re talking about the car’s structure. A monocoque (likely what they meant) is when the body shell is strong enough to carry the forces, instead of using a separate frame.
This is a particular generation of the Range Rover. The host is saying the turn-signal parts weren’t identical, but the mounting bracket fit, so he could swap parts between vehicles.
A mounting bracket is the part that physically holds another part in place. The host is saying the bracket fit, even if the stalk itself was different.
LIVE
Hello, and welcome to this car pod.
I'm Kenan.
I'm Nick.
There's a lot to talk about this week, but the biggest news comes from Kenan.
Kenan, you're leaving us.
I am leaving cars and bids sort of.
So I did a YouTube video going over all of this, but the time has come in my life where
I'm ready to try something new.
Now, those eagle-eyed amongst you will have noticed that I have represented some cars
on cars and bids for other people recently.
And this was all to test to see if there's a business case for me to do this on my own,
doing my own auction representation for private clients, because that's what I know how to do.
It's what I've been doing for the last six years.
And I've decided that I want to branch out and do my own thing.
Now, I want to make it abundantly clear that I have had a lot of people reach out.
Everybody's been very kind, but I'm not leaving the podcast for the foreseeable future.
I will still be here.
Doug will still be mocking me.
Nick will be just crapping all over the E39 to make me upset.
But I will still be around for the time being.
Kenan is departing us in a way.
He will remain in most of our content.
I mean, obviously, sometimes he's not here.
He's traveling, whatever.
But he's going to be in pods generally still.
We are still stuck with Nick, but Kenan is launching his own new business,
representing cars for people at auction, which I think is great.
Kenan has an enormous amount of experience doing this.
He worked at an exotic car dealership before, Marshall Goldman,
which is a real high-end dealership.
He's done a ton of great work for us.
He was there the day we started this company, the day we launched it.
And he's done a ton of great work for us.
He understands the auction business back and front.
And he's done a great job already representing a few cars.
He had told us he was going to do this, so we were kind of working.
We all sort of worked together on it.
And he represented a few cars already.
They all went fantastically.
He does a great job presenting cars.
And I think that the Kenan R auction business,
I'm excited to see what happens in the Kenan R car auction representation business.
Nick, would you hire Kenan?
Yeah.
Well, we've always said, you know, be the seller,
the buyer you want and the seller, the person you want to buy from.
Nick really latched onto that one there.
Yeah, be the person you want to buy from.
Yeah, he always said it.
He always said it.
He always said it.
Exactly like that.
Kenan is fastidious, almost to a fault.
He's always late to things because he's getting everything right
and following the procedure as opposed to me,
who sells a multiply that's leaking oil and power steering fluid at the same time
and like, eh, good enough.
Yeah, I was going to say, I asked if you would hire him and you were like, yeah.
Yeah, I might not take him out as a client.
He wouldn't take me, but I would hire him.
He probably wouldn't take you and with good reason.
Well, thank you for the support.
I'm very excited to this.
Everybody has been so kind.
And I also really want to say, truly from the bottom of my heart,
working at cars and bids with my friends every day
has been one of the greatest journeys of my entire life.
I've had so much fun doing this.
And this is just the next chapter in what I want to do and how I want to grow.
So I'm not going anywhere.
I still love Doug and I love Filippo unless he is talking about Porsches.
But other than that, not much is going to change.
We launched cars and bids six years ago this week.
It was six years ago this week.
And so Kenan has put in his time and it makes sense.
I mean, I think it's the next sort of logical conclusion.
This is a small organization.
There's not an enormous amount of room for growth.
At some point, Kenan wants to do something else.
And I think this is great.
And I think it's a great business, the auction representation.
There's a lot of guys out there who don't really necessarily want to do every step of the auction.
And I think Kenan is really specifically good at that.
And I think people will be really, really happy using the Kenan service.
I'm not an investor.
I'm just advocating for Kenan because I love him and I know he's great at it.
Oh, thank you, Doug.
That is very kind.
It is true that selling cars on auction is the way to do it.
It's funny if you go look at other ways to buy cars.
It has dried up a lot.
If you're interested in an interesting enthusiast car,
you're going to find it on one of the auction sites.
But it's a lot of work to do that.
Cars and Bids has done a great job of making it very easy to submit your car.
But the nuance that it takes to do it thoroughly and properly is...
It's a lot of work.
And I love doing it, but I understand that not everybody does.
So if you want to reach me, I have a website.
It's KenanR.
And I want to make my name very clear because it's a weird name to spell.
It's K-E-N-N-A-N.
Kennan.
My dad's name is Ken.
My mom's name is Nancy.
That's where my weird name comes from.
They put it right together.
That's right.
They put it right together.
Ken and Nancy.
Kenan, what has the response been so far?
You already announced this a couple of days ago.
Is everybody happy, excited?
Are you getting some leads?
Things going?
I've had several submissions.
I have several cars already in the pipeline and more that are coming.
And I'm starting conversations with people about some very cool and interesting cars.
So I'm very excited so far.
And I want to thank everybody for the positive response I've had thus far.
It's been overwhelming.
Will you help people buy cars?
Yes.
I will start doing that as well.
So if people are looking for specific cars, I do happen to have a lot of access to a lot
of different cars.
So I'm happy to do that as well.
Looking for a Mark IV Supra Turbo.
Well, we'll see how that works timing wise.
We'll see how it works out.
We'll see how it works out.
All right.
Well, I'm really happy for you.
I'm excited for you.
I'm thrilled that you're still going to be in our content.
And I'm excited to see how this new venture works.
I'm a big fan of people starting their own businesses and believing in themselves and
betting on themselves.
And it's real.
And I'm excited for you.
Thank you, Doug.
I really appreciate the support.
But let's continue on to the rest of the automotive news.
More news.
The big news story this week, of course, was the reveal of this new crazy looking Audi
Nuvo Lari.
It seems to me, you guys correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not really keeping that
close up on car news.
But it seems to me this with these months, it seems to me that the Nuvo Lari is just
a Temorario underneath.
The big news story is the way it looks, which is pretty intense.
Is that right?
I actually like how it looks.
And I was maybe a little harsh on the lute last week.
There's been a lot of comparisons between this, the Project 00 from Jag, a handful of
other debuts that modern car designs gotten very futuristic.
The front is definitely the polarizing part with the, in my opinion, Bugatti inspired
front grille.
The rear looks very Temorario.
I love how it looks from the rear.
I think they actually kind of nailed it in that it's very futuristic looking without
being that polarizing compared to the other two I mentioned, the lute and the Project 00.
I'm curious to see, because all the images so far have been pictured.
I'm actually surprised to see that we have this image here, because all the images I've
seen so far have been like the cars like in a studio with like a white background or
a gray background.
And there's no way to really, I'm curious to see what it looks like around other cars
where it's, because I think the design will actually translate a little better to reality
where it's like, whoa, what is this future thing as opposed to seeing it by itself in
a studio where it's like, okay, maybe this is a little over the top.
Regardless, I do find it interesting that this is they're taking a totally different
approach to this than the R8.
The R8 was kind of this halo car that brought people in and was pretty successful.
They claim they're going to limit this car to only 500 units of production.
And obviously the Temorario is not limited.
They're going in a different direction with this.
This is instead of being sort of the halo car at every dealership has one and it's cool.
This is going to be something we rarely see.
Now my guess is 500 units refers to a coupe.
There will probably be a convertible.
There will probably be a GT.
They will end up with 1500 or 1800 units, but it's still interesting that this, you know,
the sister car is not limited production, the Lamborghini.
So it's interesting to see that they're kind of going super limited on this one,
different from the previous car.
Well, I think that the sister car, it's like they had to, right?
That's the entry level model for Lamborghini in essence, like for their super car.
So of course that wouldn't be limited in production.
That will just be very expensive and that will limit the number that are produced by some people
who can buy them.
But it is interesting to limit this one.
I am surprised at that.
I also, I love, I kind of dig the way it looks.
It's like, this may be a bad comparison.
It's like an R8 and a Cybertruck.
Yeah.
And had a moderately good looking child.
I think it's cool personally.
I think it's kind of cool.
I know there's been criticism and I think it's a bit of a shock to people right now.
So I understand the criticism, but I have a suspicion that when all is said and done,
like actually it's people are going to look at this and go, wow, that was really kind of
an interesting slap in the face.
You know, like that's kind of an unusual and interesting thing.
I'm not necessarily ready to say that I like it, but I'm very curious to see it in person
and I certainly don't hate it.
I like the concept of car design moving forward and cars that move forward car design.
And Audi's had a good history of that.
And I'm interested to see where this goes.
I am a little bit disappointed that essentially it's just a Temurario underneath.
It's really just a new skin.
It would be cool if there was something a little bit different, especially because I was a little bit disappointed
in the Temurario in general about how big it is and how kind of overwrought it is.
But obviously, you know, economies of scale and all that, they're not going to do something different.
But were you disappointed with the R8 and the Gallardo in the end?
I mean, once the R8 got the V10 and the Gallardo weren't that different.
The R8 had a 4.2 liter V8, you know, for a long time and a lower entry price.
And it seemed to me that it was more available with a manual transmission.
I mean, I don't know.
I think that the R8 had some distinguishing factors,
whereas this car's sole distinction seems to just be the styling which I'm not as obsessed with, you know,
and that in the Enzo MC12 community, we wish there had been more distinction between the cars.
Well, it was. What are you talking about?
They got the MC12 got longer.
What are you talking about?
A long nose and a short nose.
You couldn't get that.
I wish they had done a short nose, new Velari.
The other interesting thing you brought up the R8, obviously they didn't name it the R8
because they said they were going to retire it.
They named it after an Italian race car driver, kind of odd, but whatever.
But I think remember when the R8 came out and they were worried about it cannibalizing Gallardo sales
and the Lamborghini and the Audi being too similar.
So they said, all right, initially the R8 only came as a V8.
They can't do this here.
There's no V10 version of the Lambo.
They're both the same powertrain.
So I suspect that they are limiting production basically to placate Lamborghini and say,
look, we're not going to cannibalize a much higher margin car.
Although the pricing of this is alleged to be 600k plus, which is more than the Tamario.
At 500 units, though, I think they can probably get away with that,
especially if it looks like this.
There will be people who just want it based on the design.
But I agree.
It's kind of interesting.
The Audi has now moved into the position of being the rare one and the Lamborghini has
moved to the position to become one.
But I think that's also partially because the R8 strategy by the end was no longer working.
It just had gotten too expensive.
It was not selling.
The R8s were just sitting on showroom floors at the end of production.
They needed to do something different.
They did.
And I think this car is kind of a cool follow up to it.
Well, and the RSQ8 is the other example, right?
It is basically a Nouris, but arguably better in some ways.
I think I prefer the styling of it anyways.
But people aren't flocking to the RSQ8.
They want the Lambo, right?
So instead of trying to go just under the Lambo's and cut them on price, they're saying,
all right, let's just make them a little bit more limited.
It's just sort of like a marketing stunt because we already have all the stuff made.
So it's an interesting strategy.
We'll see if it works for them, but I'm with you.
I think the design is not that terrible.
Maybe BMW paved the way with the large front grills where that's now normalized in my brain,
but I don't hate this nearly as much as the Instagram reaction implied.
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And on the subject of Audi,
we have our next news story.
The other big piece of news this week is that the Audi Q7 has finally been redesigned.
This car came out, I believe, in the States for the 2017 model year.
And I presume that the new one will also be a 27 model.
And so that's, you know, a 10-11 year production run for the old one
in a very competitive segment.
I mean, the three-row luxury SUV segment, Mercedes-Benz GLS, the BMW X7.
This is a tight and competitive, Lexus has a new car in the segment, the TX.
This is a tight and competitive segment.
And it's amazing how long the Q7, the previous Q7, was able to be a successful car.
And it was right up till the end.
But I'm thrilled we got to redesign one.
It looks great like all of Audi's new crossovers except for the Trash Q4.
It looks great.
SQ7 looks like it's going to be cool, 600 horsepower.
I am pumped for this.
I think I haven't driven it, I haven't seen touched it,
but I have a feeling this is a segment leader.
And not only the segment competitors you mentioned,
but I think like the Palisade, a few of those cars have gone upmarket.
And I think the, as Lucille would call them, the nurturers,
I can't remember their exact term, the hot nurturers is what I call them.
But they are buying the Palisades and such in part because this had become so stale
and Audi Volvo were kind of like not too flashy, but just nice enough.
Yes, 600 horsepower for the SQ7 is serious business,
but inside it is screens galore as you would expect.
But again, the outgoing model is a little dated inside.
It's behind on technology.
I think this would check a lot of boxes for people
where they don't feel like they're buying a 10-year-old product.
Especially because interestingly, despite it being a very competitive segment,
the rivals are also pretty old.
The new GLS, I think the current GLS, I call it the new GLS
because it looked like the old one,
came out I think in 20 and the X7 I think also came out in 20.
So it's a fairly old segment.
That new Lexus TX is only a year or two old.
That's pretty new.
But Audi's kind of ahead of the curve here and with a new high,
everybody kind of switched a lot of development dollars to EVs.
And so I think product cycles got sort of stretched out
for these traditional gas-powered cars.
BMW did the IX and Mercedes-Benz did the EQS SUV.
And so their regular gas-powered cars kind of lasted longer, longer, longer,
and they're all getting old.
And a new Q7 is pretty cool.
I love the Q6, which is the slightly smaller electric version.
I thought it was one of the most compelling EV SUVs I've driven.
And I have a feeling that this is going to be like that,
but bigger and with a gas-powered train.
I do not love that turbo 2.9-liter V6 that is going to be the regular powertrain.
I think it's a little bit tepid when you first are accelerating.
It's not my favorite powertrain.
Didn't love it in the other cars that it's in.
But I think it'll be fine.
Most people probably won't care that much.
Yeah, which that was a hybrid of some sort.
There will be. I'm sure there will be.
Get ready, Nick.
Nick, this is going to be your next car when it's heavily depreciated.
Why don't you have a depreciated Q7 already?
Well, it definitely need to replace the Cayenne soon.
I've now replaced coil packs one this week, one last week.
And my wife's like, why don't you just replace all A?
And I'm like, nah, let's do it as they pop.
That is the way to do it.
It's popping so often that my wife, who's not a car person,
goes, oh, I've popped another coil pack.
You just spoke perfect car guide language without realizing it.
Like, yes, it pops.
Like that's correct.
And like sure enough, like under one cold one.
Like it is a 15-minute job in the driveway.
So that is my current warranty slash maintenance plan for my wife's daily.
But yes, maybe it's time to upgrade.
Yeah, I think maybe it is, Nick.
That car's got how many miles on 120?
130.
Wow.
You've gotten your use out of it.
The problem is it's worth like 13 grand on a good day,
maybe 14 if Kenan represents it.
So I just, I don't know, it's a lot of money out of pocket
that could be spent on other things.
Yeah.
A lot of money.
Oh, to buy a new one.
To buy a new one.
Well, maybe this Q7 will depreciate.
Certainly the outgoing model will.
And that has third row would check a lot of boxes.
So maybe that's maybe that's the problem is the outgoing model wasn't interesting.
The first gen Q7 was interesting.
There was a diesel.
There was a V12.
Yeah.
And cool body kits and you can do all the overland mods on them.
I totally agree.
The second gen was kind of a dull like, it was good.
It was a great car, but it was kind of a dull traditional family car.
I think you need something a little bit more exciting to be perfectly honest.
That's a shame.
Yeah, but it's Nick.
So a little bit more exciting.
It's for my wife and she wants dull because we have enough problems.
So we'll see.
But I am.
I'm excited that the styling on this also came out really nice.
Yeah.
It's not polarizing.
It's not weird.
The headlight pod is still a little odd to me.
I mean, you got to do something to mix it up because the current one to duck's point is
a little boring.
So that's just enough pieces of flair for it to be interesting without a way to redesign
its vehicles.
The last couple and actually keep them looking nice and still make them look new and different.
It's not that easy in today's world where everybody's trying to evolve rather than
fully change, except for the Hyundai Santa Fe, of course.
But they've done a good job with this latest generation.
The designer came from the Android.
He built a lot of great Android phones.
Give us the next news story, please.
The new Bronco Philson.
Nick, did you read about this?
Yes.
And speaking of the news keeps coming out.
I swear it's a conspiracy right after we finish all the stories we'd want to talk about.
So these, both the new Velari and this came out like Wednesday afternoon, about three
minutes after we finished filming last week.
When I worked for an automaker, the theory was you released on like a Wednesday Thursday.
We filmed this pod on a Wednesday morning.
You released on like a Wednesday Thursday to try to get people talking about it through
the weekend.
And it was, I felt that was one of the stupidest things that I had ever heard in my entire life.
You spent a lot of weekend time talking to your parents and friends.
About the Bronco Philson.
Hey, man.
Did you hear?
A trim level.
It's obviously idiotic.
This is legitimately cool though.
It has a detuned Raptor motor.
And if the only way that you can get that.
So it's not just like you and I, we missed the Eddie Bowers.
We missed the, the Mercury, uh, Nautica edition.
We miss all the collapse, the LL bean and Orvis cars.
Like there was some cool stuff back when we were kids and, and Ken was a toddler.
Now we're bringing it back.
So Philson's actually based out of Detroit.
They make a really high end or at least higher end.
It depends on how fancy you are.
Nice stuff.
Um, like mostly American made.
Now there's some asterisks there, much like my Shinola watch.
Like it's, they're, they're proud to be made in Detroit.
So I think it's cool that the, all of the collaborations are coming back with apparel
makers and tie in with the U S is cool.
I, the, the, the collaboration is cool.
And I had not heard of Philson before and I looked through the car.
It looks like a nice, it looks nice inside.
Nice outside.
I think the fact that the power train, cause the raptor, I love the Bronco Raptor.
I would never in a million years be caught dead driving.
It's way too excessive and ridiculous.
And I mean, there was a time in my life where that would have been cool.
And probably Nick still thinks it's super cool and wants to do it.
But, um, but me personally, it's just too much.
The idea of getting the power train in a, not only a Tamer Bronco,
but a kind of a luxurious Bronco.
I think there's really a market for that.
I think it's a really great idea.
And I hope that this doesn't become like a one year only collab,
but sort of works its way in as a trim level because I have a suspicion it's
probably something desirable.
Now one interesting thing we have talked many times on this pod.
We initially said that there should be a Lincoln Bronco and then this is kind of
came out and sort of quasi confirmed that there will be a Lincoln Bronco.
I hope this isn't where this ends.
I hope this isn't the Lincoln Bronco.
I hope there is still more to come on that front.
If we're going to do a Lincoln Bronco, this is kind of the recipe.
Not only does the detune Raptor, it has custom Fox shocks that are meant to
ride a little bit smoother.
And then they do a ton of sound dampening to make it quieter and
comforter.
So for someone like you on Nine Tucket that wants a cool truck that isn't
too flashy, that doesn't draw a lot of attention, but is nice.
Like this is cool.
Then I actually think that the styling touches again, just enough to make it
like kind of unique, kind of cool, but again, not overly so.
It has a lot of appeal.
It is the touring version of the Raptor.
By the way, I'm reading here that actually the powertrain is the same as
the Bronco Raptor.
It has the same 420 horsepower.
I am curious, how could you possibly luxurify the doors come off?
Like I'm very curious how sound deadening, you know what I mean?
They said cars.
I've been in a lot of cars where they tried to make a bad car nice.
Like a lot of those defender companies try to make them put all this luxury
stuff in and make them nice and it never works.
I'm very curious to see how that works.
Their PR says acoustic glass enhanced door and roof seals and optimized
aerodynamics to reduce perceived wind noise by 20% compared to standard
models.
Hard to believe that's actually going to work because this is a car with
frameless doors where the doors come off.
It's very difficult for me, but I'm curious to check it out.
I think this is the most appealing version of the Bronco on sale.
I think this is by far for me.
I agree.
I could not agree with you more.
I mean, I'd rather have the Raptor, but I agree this is the one most people
will choose.
Yes, you would.
I would want like a yellow one.
Of course you would.
Hell yeah, brother.
You drive that to some of your political rallies.
Am I right, Nick?
All right.
Move on to the next story.
Your weekly comment.
Yes, the GT3RS.
So Toy Story.
We're all familiar with Toy Story.
We love the character from Toy Story.
Toy Story 5 is coming out relatively soon.
And Porsche has partnered with Pixar to make three unique 9-11's
to raise money for charity.
And they're done in liveries to pay homage to each character.
So Buzz gets a GT3RS, which I think looks...
I'm shocked at how much I like it.
I'll come back to that in a second.
Jesse gets a Target 4S and Woody gets a Carrera T.
And now this isn't the first time they've done this.
Of course, Porsche also did Sally from Cars.
Like they've worked with Pixar to do stuff like this before.
And they're selling these to raise money for charity.
But the thing like to me is like, if you told me on paper
what this GT3RS looks like, I would go like,
that is the ugliest thing ever created.
Kill it with fire.
But I don't know if it's nostalgia or just that Buzz's colors
really work that well together.
But it looks so cool.
The interior in particular, like with the purple of like
Buzz on the seats and stuff.
And like this red, like check it out in the wings.
The other two don't quite look as good.
But I think that this one looks really good.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
This is the one of the three that looks the best for sure.
But I think this is really fun and cool.
It doesn't feel trite to me.
I don't know.
It just like really works in a fun and interesting way.
I think kids will freak out about this too.
Kids will freak out.
I have a heartwarming story to tell you about Porsche.
I have a private Instagram where I post pictures of my family.
I don't post it publicly.
And some of my old Porsche colleagues are on that
because they're friends of mine and still are.
And my kids are obsessed with Toy Story and that gets posted.
And Porsche reached out.
My old colleagues at Porsche reached out and said,
look, we're making this.
This was about a month ago.
They said, we're making these Toy Story Porsches.
And we're going to take them on like a little tour of the country
before we sell them to sort of raise awareness.
It's with Toy Story.
They said, can we bring them to San Diego?
We saw your kids love Toy Story.
Can we bring them to San Diego so your kids can check out?
And unfortunately, they weren't.
They were like getting done right before arriving right before
we were leaving to come to these cars.
And I said, we're not going to be able to make it happen.
But it's a shame because my kids would have been absolutely obsessed.
But that is a sweet story.
And I do think that kids are going to be obsessed with it.
And the Sally Carrera car or cars sold for crazy, crazy money.
3.6 million.
Yeah.
Which was a charity auction.
I mean, it's a write-off for somebody in the end.
But still, this is a cool thing.
And I think it's a cool tie-in.
And I'm excited to see it happen.
I think this Pixar portion thing is sort of a ridiculous thing.
But how can you complain when it's for charity, you know?
Right, exactly.
And it's fun.
I think one of the weirdest things to me or one of the most
like insane things is that the tires are special from Goodyear.
They actually say light-year on them instead of Goodyear.
Goodyear made a special cast for the tires.
So like, God, imagine having to replace those tires eventually.
Nobody will.
You can't replace them.
You gotta pull them off and save them.
I don't know, dude.
At my takeovers, we just do tire stickers.
You can get little stencils and spray them on.
In the cars movies, the tires on the cars say light-year.
It was like a throwback to this movie.
Yeah, Nick.
Your takeovers and your political rallies.
And we know Nick.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Well, not all of us can walk around barefoot on Brown University
or whatever you're doing this summer.
What are you talking about?
You're actually almost barefooting yourself.
Look, I know we got to end early for your sound bath
and meditation sessions.
So we should probably go to the next news.
All right.
Move on to the next news story.
I got my sound bath coming up.
Nick, what is this new story?
You threw this in.
What is this?
You know, I didn't read a whole lot past the headline
that I saw on Instagram.
However, Ferrari is debuting a new laptop.
You all may remember the Acer that came out a long time ago.
They and their desire to continue to dilute the brand.
Ferrari is doing a laptop.
Nick, make your joke.
Go ahead and say it.
Well, you've already made fun of my joke,
but finally they found something Johnny Ive can help with.
So congratulations, Ferrari.
Got him.
Go, Nick.
It's no doubt going to be a beautiful rectangle.
We're all very excited for the new Ferrari laptop.
All right.
Next news story, please.
By the way, someone wrote to me in the automotive design
community a three-page letter defending Johnny Ive.
I read it.
I'm not going to reply.
You make some valid points.
I was maybe a little hard on the guy.
It's questionable.
No way.
You were not hard on the guy.
I think everything you said was valid.
And I think that the design world, there becomes this
hero worship of famous designers that I've not quite seen as
much in other places.
Like music.
It's like any world where you have to really use your
creativity and brain.
There's a real hero worship of the people at the top in
those fields.
And I don't think he deserves it.
This car, you call them a fake and a fraud, I think.
I wouldn't necessarily go that far, but I think that maybe
there needs to be a little bit of a come down for this
reputation.
And I'm just glad that they're launching a new computer
slash consumer electronics division.
That's great.
In corporate America, right?
You don't fire people like that.
You just move them to a different department and make
them someone else's problem.
So perfect solution here.
You don't have to fire Johnny.
I've just put them in charge of the laptops and we can get
Pininfarina back to make Ferrari's beautiful.
You don't want Pininfarina back.
That's the thing that nobody quite understands.
Bro.
They're all gone.
What's it?
Gandini, like his ghost, his son, his grandfather,
somebody of the Italian design houses being the
stalwart like touch points for great design in the
world are over.
Pininfarina, they're dead.
The people who started it and made it special, the Indians
own it now.
It's not what it was.
Gandini's dead.
These things are not what they were.
It's over.
It's all over.
It's moved on.
Maybe Philsen a collab with another clothing designer.
Summer is officially here and there's two things I'm
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The four-way stretch is genuinely surprising.
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Move on to the next news story, please.
We've given Nick too much ammo on this one already.
M2.
New M2.
We had talked, we'd reported on this a couple of months
ago, but it's finally confirmed the new M2 will offer
all-wheel drive or all-wheel drive only?
It will be offered with all-wheel drive.
So it will be the M2X drive.
We'll go on sale this summer.
So it's going to have BMW's X-Drive system.
It will still be rear-wheel drive biased, and it will be
automatic only, but it shaves a third of a second off their
zero to 60 time, which is not nothing.
So I think it's cool that they're offering a couple different
versions of the M2.
I'm glad they will continue to offer the manual rear-wheel drive
one, because I think that's a...
I don't know.
Yes.
Keep in mind that the all-wheel drive one will only be
offered with an automatic.
The manual, if you want the manual, you have to get rear-wheel
drive.
Which I think most people have manual.
That's exactly what they want is rear-wheel drive as opposed
to all-wheel drive.
But nonetheless, it's going to be slightly more expensive.
It's going to have a starting price of $74,950.
But it's exciting.
I'm glad to see that the M2 is being iterated on.
I personally love the M2.
I've never had anything against it.
I think it looks cool.
I think they drive brilliantly.
It's what BMW should make a small, rear-wheel drive fun.
It's also a good size.
Yeah, it is.
It's also a good size.
It's 475 horsepower.
It's a good size, and 475 horsepower with all-wheel drive
in that size is a pretty compelling car.
Push through corners, accelerate fast, has a lot of grip, little car.
You want grip.
You want turning capable.
I think that's a fantastic situation, if it were.
Well, I recognize there are people who want to have one car
to do it all.
If you live on the East Coast and you're a younger professional,
you've got to drive in an inclement weather.
This is a pretty compelling car.
I do everything.
It deeply pains me to say this because Doug is a big ego.
But Doug was right.
When it came out, I was in the camp of, it's so ugly.
And then Doug's like, you'll get used to it.
Just give it time.
And I'm looking at this now and I'm thinking,
what was it that I didn't like before?
It's maybe they've softened it.
Maybe my eyes are getting worse.
But I don't mind that whatsoever.
It's a really big cause.
In the years since it's come out, the car industry has gone even
further away from cars like this.
My commentary on it, when I went to Phoenix to review it,
when it's product launch, was that it may look a little weird,
but this is still a manual, little, tossable, rear-wheel drive,
six-cylinder car.
And we should appreciate them while we can.
And I think that you can comment on the styling all you want to,
but this is a gift.
And the industry hasn't exactly become more full of manual,
rear-wheel drive, fun, tossable cars in the several years
since this car came out.
And I think this car is still very desirable.
And like you said, Ken, and I'm glad they're iterating on it.
It's still making it even cooler and giving it more options
and more things for different people.
I think that's awesome.
I'm into it.
I see them all the time.
So I don't know that we will see as,
I mean, we'll probably see the all-wheel drive one here quite a bit
as people want the automatic and they'll want the higher trim level
and more performance and whatever.
But I'm into it.
I just have really liked this car.
By the way, at that product launch I went to,
they were launching two products at the same time.
And I was also right about the other one, which was the XM.
XM? Yep.
Haven't seen one of those in a long time.
With good reason.
Now, there's a bad car.
Nobody wanted.
You saw an XM.
I mean, the problem is when you see them, you notice them.
It's impossible to miss.
That's true.
So I feel like I recognize and jot down mentally
each one that I've seen.
These car companies will do everything they can
to compete with the G-Wagon except actually compete with the G-Wagon.
They're like, oh, BMW, so we can't do a boxy off-roader.
We'll do it.
We'll do it our way.
And it's like, your way is crap.
That's why they like the G-Wagon for God's sake.
Honestly, the Bronco Filson is probably the closest good attempt.
Well, the Defender did an okay job, I think at a lower price point.
There are some decent competitors.
For real adults, the Lexus LX is pretty good.
But the G is the G.
It lives in a world all its own.
Yep.
It really does.
All right.
Next news story.
All right.
That is the end of the news.
All right.
Time for the taught cars segment.
And I have a little news.
Nick, are you ready for it?
Oh, I'm ready.
All right.
I bought a Supra.
Kenan, pull it up.
My God.
Look at that.
Kenan R.
He made it happen that quickly.
I'm that good.
I asked for it earlier in the podcast.
And here it is 25 minutes later.
Unbelievable, Kenan.
This is why you've got to use the Kenan R vehicle services.
Now, I bought a Supra.
I bought a Supra.
I got nine cars now.
I'm going to do a whole video on it.
I'm not going to see it.
It's being California in a couple of weeks.
I'm not going to see it for like three months.
So I hope it's good.
I'll do a whole video on it when it arrives.
None of my friends are excited about it.
Nick, especially, and Kenan.
These are the two who are the least excited.
I mean, like, I respect the Mark IV.
Every time I see one, I take a picture of it.
Like, I still, I don't go super every time I see it.
But I respect when I see one, especially one that's very
stock, which appears to be quite stock.
I was going to say, I would be excited if you were planning
to mod it and give us some power.
But I do worry in stock format.
It might be slightly underwhelming from it.
I think this is going to be just like your 993
and that you're going to be bored of this thing so fast
because of the way it is.
Like, I think it is going to be soft.
I think it is going to be not particularly exciting.
I think it's going to be cool.
The mistake you make is not understanding the purpose
of this car in my life.
So I have three very focused sports cars
that are very special.
And for this car, what I've been looking for
is a car that I can just take my, go around
and go to the store, take my kids primarily.
That's what this is really going to be for.
Take the dog to daycare and all that.
And I think this is like the perfect car for that.
And I don't need to, I don't want a hard-edge car for that.
I specifically want something that's stock.
I realize and understand all of this,
but you moved on from the 993 pretty fast
because this is going to replace the 993, right?
I haven't sold the 993.
That's still the guy.
I still love it.
Physically, mentally, you've...
No, no, I still have the 993 Turbo.
Still excited about it.
I am very curious.
I got this car a little quicker than I expected.
I thought it would take longer to find,
and I'll tell the story of finding it.
It did come through the podcast,
but I'll tell the story of finding it
when I do the whole video tour of it,
when I see it in a couple of months.
But I am curious having the 993 and the Supra,
which one I'll end up driving more.
I have a suspicion that once the Supra lands,
I'm never going to touch the 993 again.
That's 100% what's going to happen.
So the 993 will be coming to the market soon, I'm sure.
To me, this particular car is just not
about the all-out performance.
I want something that I think is cool for a daily.
And this is a pretty cool daily.
And I bought it from this place,
Diamond Motor Works in Illinois.
I'll tell the whole story,
but he deals on a lot of Supras up there.
And he said to me, he said,
I want to change the timing belt.
It was original before you take the car.
And I said, great, you got like a specialist
you use or anything like that.
And he said, no, I just take it to the Toyota dealer.
He said, they know how to work.
It's a 2JZ, they work on a ton of those.
There's still a million cars.
And I'm like, oh my God, what an unbelievable experience.
I don't have to go to some crazy,
ridiculous specialist to get stuff done.
This is incredible.
What a dream.
So hopefully.
I don't think you want to do that here, maybe?
Maybe where he lives.
I only do.
I thought it's absolutely going to the Toyota dealer.
100%.
Same place serves the Coya.
Last summer you were on one about wanting an NA automatic version
because it has all the looks and cool,
but it's like way cheaper.
So why did you not go that route?
Why did you spend double?
No, I bought a manual turbo.
The kids are into going fast and I wanted the right one.
So this is a 31,000 mile totally stock manual turbo.
It had been a one owner car until 2020.
Are you worried that's going to be too nice
for what you want to use before?
No, it is too nice.
I wanted a little higher miles and this has a beige interior.
I wanted black.
But at some point you're being a little bit of a beggar chooser
because a manual turbo in red unmodified is very,
very, very challenging to find.
I also wanted the sport roof, which comes off,
which this car has.
So I just realized like, yes, it is too nice for me.
I will probably, my kids are going to eat Doritos in it.
I will lose some money because of this decision.
But it's worth doing as opposed to waiting six months
to try to find a slightly worse car for slightly less money.
Well, we'll see you at race wars, buddy.
I'm excited.
This is going to be my daily.
I'm going to show up everywhere in a mark form,
be so legit.
And by the way, this goes back to a point that I made
on a previous podcast, which was that none of you,
none of you accept or enjoy cars except for European.
You're all European car snobs, not me, baby.
I'm going to have an American car.
Like I still, I will work on the viper also.
This is why I've been putting off buying the vipers.
I've known every launching this business.
I've been just like playing it safe.
But I will get a viper like that is going to happen
in all of an American way.
And then, and then you can no longer give me crap about it.
There's a lot of I will gets over here.
I'm sitting over here with two Toyotas, two Porsches,
a Ford killing it.
We got, we got every country represented Lamborghini.
We're doing it all over here.
And by the way, I'm curious if people will call me
a Toyota guy now because I've got this Sequoia
and the Supra Mercedes guy through and through.
At the end of the day, you level this criticism as,
but the overwhelming percentage of the cars you own are European
and you are a Mercedes guy.
Well, wait a second.
Hang on a second.
This is my, I now have had an unbelievable number of Toyotas.
Do you want to know how many?
No.
1234
Wow, unbelievable number.
These up to single digits here.
I think it's six.
How many Toyotas?
He unbelievable.
How many Toyotas you own, buddy?
I've had families who've had every generation of Camry get out of here.
You know, they've had, you know,
I've only had, what is it, three Porsches.
So I've had twice as many Toyotas and I have two right now
and I love them both.
I'm high on my Sequoia right now.
Last week we talked about how you couldn't handle the G-Wagen.
You needed to stick with your Toyota.
Now we're questioning whether you can handle the 993.
We're replacing it with a Toyota.
We all get older.
Some of us can still do the hard things.
Some of us settle.
Well, I had, I had the 993.
Well, he's going to say,
I have a Kuntas and a Carrer GT is his response,
which is the appropriate response.
You had a big service bill at the 993
and then all of a sudden it lost a cluster.
That was when I first got it.
I've just got it.
I've put 5,000 miles on it.
You first got it.
You've had it in the collection six months.
No, it'll be a year when I get home
and then I'll have a decision to make
because I can't keep.
It's a year, yes, but you didn't drive it for three months
because you're away.
Some of us keep our cars for a very long time.
That's, that is true.
Driven it to the moon and back.
Yeah, that's right.
On my way back.
I wouldn't know what that's like.
He didn't drive it to the moon and back.
Nick, how long you kept your current fleet?
You got that kind for a long time.
Other than that, what are we doing?
Not, not very.
I think average lifespan,
it's been like a year per car.
On that subject, Nick,
one thing I heard about you
and I would like to discuss is
I hear you hired a summer intern.
Yes, I am so pumped on this.
Okay.
So everyone that like you have nine cars,
you know,
obviously it gets to be a lot of work
when you have too many cars,
especially if you buy rougher examples
of nicer cars like I like to do colleges out
or you know,
what have you school is out for summer,
depending on the grade level yet for the summer.
And so there's a lot of kids,
you know,
there's not a lot of jobs,
AI, all that stuff.
They're looking for stuff to do.
So I hit up my neighbor Blake and said,
Hey, you know,
I got some odd jobs around the house.
I've mostly used them to smog cars
that are currently registered in states
between Idaho and Wyoming.
I don't want to make a dated reference here,
but it hit me when Nick was talking about,
because he brought this up
in our group chat a couple of weeks ago,
our text group chat with me and Ken
and Nick and a few other people.
He brought this up and it hit me then
and I'm going to make the reference now.
Nick is Kramer.
Remember when Kramer hired an intern?
And the intern would like walk around
following him and like take notes.
And Nick is Kramer.
He's an idiot and he does crazy things
and now he's got a summer intern.
And that's what Nick is.
He's like the crazy neighbor who's insane
and is always doing crazy things.
And that is Nick's situation.
So of course he's hired a summer intern
to help out with his tremendously difficult life.
You know, it's,
I hadn't even considered that that was what it was.
But you agree now.
You agree now.
Everyone needs a summer intern
once you have one, there's no going back.
I'm not offering him any credits
or certificates at the end of this program.
However, I am paying him in cash, money.
What are you throwing him, Nick?
What are you throwing him?
I offered him 50 bucks an hour,
which I think was aggressive.
And so I've since walked it back to like 40.
Like I shortchanged him on the last job a little bit.
Sorry, Blake.
But like I mostly just having him like I drove,
drove the car to the smog.
I then I had him drive it to the upholstery shop
to get some samples.
Like it ain't very hard work here.
Like the dudes, I had him wash a car, my wife's car.
I'm going to have him help me like hang some things up.
Like it's not,
it's not exactly like difficult labor.
Nick's car blog has staff.
No, we were Roshan Media LLC.
A little bit behind Ken and R,
but we are, we're a business.
You need to understand Nick's car blog is a property
of Roshan Media.
Okay. So there's Roshan Media.
And then there's Nick's car blog,
which employs him.
And then there's the summer intern.
There's a lot to this.
I'm sorry.
I did not understand the nuances of Cray America
industries here.
I guess.
We are a multi-state business.
We're going to make our own pies soon.
We have locations.
We have locations in California and Montana.
That's right.
That's right.
And you want to be my way.
We may be expanding to Florida next.
We'll see.
Anyway, I'll put through 180.
Two days a year.
Keep us posted with how he does, Nick.
It's great.
I think this is great news for all the people out there who,
who have got too many cars and need some help.
Blake, if you're listening, I'm not making any promises,
but let's just say there could be a promotion on the horizon.
Let's keep up the good work.
Let's say once you graduate from whatever community college
you're at,
you might be promoted to full-time intern.
There may be a chance.
There's an unpaid internship at the end of this paid
internship before we're all...
What he should do, he should, he should publish his experiences
of being Nick Vershaugh's intern.
Well, people always ask me, like, how do you do all this stuff?
You got a full-time job, blah, blah, blah.
Interns.
We got interns.
We're hiring.
We're farming at work.
That's great.
Nick, I'm really thrilled.
You're going to be really excited when your kids get old enough
that you can make them do the stuff.
Yeah, that would be nice.
Right now,
Ryder did help me with a project, my four-year-old.
And then I had all the hardware on the ground and he tripped over it.
And I still can't find bolts that are missing.
And it's like, oh, this is not good.
We have, on that subject,
I put together, I bought for the kids here,
I bought one of those right on Power Wheels,
and it's a Lexus Overtrail Lexus.
Like, I want, but I can't have it, so I got it for my kids.
Lexus?
And we put it together,
and we have four kids under five right now in our house.
There's friends visiting and there's kids everywhere.
And we are still looking for the passenger mirror.
Everyone was trying to help me.
And they, you know, which involves,
when it's a two-year-old trying to help,
they basically just, you know, they drop stuff
and they take something and run away with it.
We still, we've had the car for a week and a half.
We've done deep cleans of the house.
We cannot find the passenger mirror.
The current theory is that the passenger mirror was placed
inside of the seat before I screwed it into the car,
and it's lost forever.
That's excellent.
That's the problem.
But someday we'll get to,
what I really need is a summer intern.
Well, it's a monospecule, like the Testerosi.
You just got that one mirror on the driver's side.
Unfortunately, it's the only on the passenger's,
the mirror we have is the passenger's side.
You're right, we're missing the driver's mirror.
Kenan, you got some talk cars for us?
A little bit.
So I did something, so my birthday was relatively recently.
And so my friend Ryan got me a present,
and I opened it up and I was surprised
that it was a turn signal stock.
Now, you know, BMW drivers don't use them usually,
but I have done so much that there actually
was a where difference between that one
and the one in the car.
He replaced it on his car,
and because you know how nice the E39 stock feels,
one of the best in the industry.
To feel a brand new one is crazy how nice it is.
And so that was his birthday present.
So I am the only BMW driver in history
that has replaced the turn signal stock.
I am so jealous of you.
That signal stock feel in that car, Nick.
I don't know if you know about this,
but the feel of the signal stock in that era of BMW
wasn't just the E395, but I was one of them,
is the greatest turn signal stock feel
in the history of the automobile.
And one time I had an L322 Range Rover,
and I discovered that the signal,
the part wasn't the same,
but the mounting bracket was the same for BMW
because BMW had essentially developed that car.
And I switched out my Land Rover turn signal
for a BMW X5 turn signal
just so I could feel the feel of the BMW turn signal.
To this day, I think that car is driving around
with an X5 turn signal.
Anybody who's in it is probably like,
what the hell? It's amazing.
How is it, Ken, and are you really enjoying yourself?
It's unbelievable.
It's one of the great ironies that they...
Someone's...
Because looking at the engineering,
the work that led into this to make it nice is incredible.
And of course, most BMW drivers just have never experienced it.
They just don't use it.
It's interesting because we're kind of joking about this,
but kind of not.
Turn signals is something that you press all the time.
It's one of the touch points in the car
that you interact with the most.
And I think that this is one of GM's biggest failings
in the new Escalade, which has a fantastic interior.
Everything is absolutely brilliant and beautiful,
but it just has the regular turn signal stocks
from a base model Chevy.
And it's like, this is not...
It wouldn't be that hard to really just...
This is something you're pressing constantly, constantly,
and those feel loose,
and they could go in any direction poorly,
and it's so good on the Ethereum 5,
and it's a silly thing,
but it's just everything that you touch
that feels great in a car is a reminder
that the car was built well,
and engineered well.
Precisely. That's exactly what I was thinking.
The Ford GT has Ford-focused turn signals, right?
It's just little things like that.
You're totally right.
I was thinking about steering wheel, gear shifter, pedal...
Those are things you interact with the most.
And the turn signal stock, like, that's like...
And so I know it's a very boring, weird thing to replace.
It's an odd birthday gift, but I resonate with it so hard.
Especially after 207,000 miles.
A lot of stuff wears, and it's cool.
It clicks off, and it just goes...
It's silent when it goes.
It's very...
I don't know what engineer worked on that,
what company worked on that to design it for BMW,
but man, they crushed it.
It's such a shame, because the next-generation BMW
turn signal stock was trash.
That's where they went to the flip-back to the center thing,
and it's never been the same since.
Although, actually, new ones are pretty good still.
Nick, you got any turn signal stock opinions, I imagine, for you?
That whole conversation was painful.
I can see why this is a Porsche podcast.
The type of people who appreciate those details would like a Porsche.
It is unbelievable to me, Nick, that you do not own American cars,
because the level with which you care about precision is so minimal
that I would think you would have a WS6
and a couple of rotting six-cylinder firebirds on your front lawn.
I put the horn as broken watch for finger bumper sticker on my arnaz,
and just go.
If you hit the gas pedal, you don't need the signal.
You create the hole.
You put it on your arnaz.
Why don't you get an SRT8 Grand Cherokee,
or get something just so rockously American?
I think you're due to go back to it.
I agree.
The SRT10 RAM pickup, the quad cab with the four-speed auto,
kind of disappointed, but I want to get back on that train.
I do want another American car.
I just get turn signal stocks.
They don't excite me.
Like the size of the motor, the transmission.
I already have a big motor and a great transmission.
Ideally, some Mercaros.
That's sort of my list.
All right.
Time to move on to the market report and report.
There's a lot to report in the market.
Kenan, do you want to start with your market report?
Yes.
I'm going to start with the F10M5.
I think this is a crazy value.
So we've been talking about F10M5s a lot recently.
We have also on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel,
but this one sold.
It's a 13, so it's an early car.
Sold for $14,000 for an F10M5 for a 560 horsepower relative
and modern BMW.
That is nuts.
Put it in perspective.
I bought my M5 for $11,300 all those years ago.
This is like getting into that territory of how cheap these cars are.
That's true.
It's a scary powertrain.
Boy is it.
But for $14,000, how scary could it be?
The engine's already been replaced.
Well, that's only that I think is the scary part.
In 2019.
Oh, my gosh.
It's already been done in 2019.
So it's been done already.
Seven years ago.
And the car was only seven years old when it was done.
So you figure you do an engine every seven years,
you're probably about to do.
Oh, my gosh.
It was an early one.
They built the later ones a little bit better, I think.
I agree with you that those cars are big values,
but you have to be able to throw away the money
because there is a chance you will indeed throw away the money.
Now, on the subject of BMWs, on the opposite end,
did you see the M-Coupe result?
Yes, this one.
Let me bring it up.
We sold an M-Coupe just a couple of days ago with a S54.
Yeah, for $52,000.
$52,000 with 60,000 miles and silver.
This is not a collector S54 M-Coupe.
There remains a significant amount of interest in this car.
It's kind of funny because BMW has never been able to break
into the Porsche sports car GT3 territory.
And they've tried various times that weird M4 GTS and the Z8
and all these cars that, oh, let's do a sports car.
But there are still some BMWs that the market really, really prizes.
And in an S54 M-Coupe,
even regardless of mileage and color not being like perfect amazing,
it's still a valuable, desirable car in the market.
I totally agree.
I mean, it makes sense.
These cars have had a cult following since they were new.
I actually talked to somebody who worked for BMW at the time,
like BMW corporate.
And when these cars came out, they were so nervous,
but the people who bought them were so dedicated
and into them that they sold them.
And so like this car is so like the S54 is an amazing engine.
Granted, it's slightly new because it's had a five speed gearbox
as opposed to a six that was in the M3.
But it's like, you know, a lot of power, rear-wheel drive, cool looking.
I mean, it makes sense.
They're still not common, but yeah,
I'm glad to see the market is strong on these.
It deserves to be.
It's a really special car.
I had a die cast of this.
I gave it to a friend who bought one.
But it's funny how when cars become vintage and I can't believe
we're thinking of cars of the late 90s, early 2000s as vintage,
but your expectations lower.
You're willing to overlook things like bad turn signal stocks
because you're like, hey, it's a 20, 30 year old car.
Like it all it needs to do is have a vibe and look cool.
I don't need it.
Like some of the flaws that it was maybe criticized for in period,
you can overlook and be like, I have five speeds is enough.
Like what happened?
So I think this is quite as fast as its closest rival.
Who cares when it's 30 years old?
It's a nostalgia thing.
Is the Supra turbo quite as special as a E39 M5?
We don't care anymore.
It's a nostalgia play.
It's much more special than the M5.
I will admit that like it is.
Does your heater core leak on your wife's shoes?
Who cares?
It's a vintage car.
You know, it's fine.
On the subject of market reports,
I want to pull up a Mustang, coat of Mustang.
Nick, you're going to love this.
This is the midwesterner in you, Nick.
And go to that six cylinder one that we sold top right,
top right in there.
Nick.
Oh, wow.
Nick, this car, this is the last Mustang you'd want.
It's an automatic six cylinder,
but don't you think it's a little bit cool to drive around in a new edge?
Like unironically drive around on a new edge with three spokes
and a six cylinder with only 30,000 miles.
Like you, this car, and it only sold for seven.
Like you could have that.
This is like the nicest v6 new edge in the world
for seven G's.
I think seven's a strong result.
Personally, I don't know who the buyer is that wants this combination
of pristine yet undesirable.
But the automotive community is interesting and people are,
maybe this could be a great parts car for a mystic home that you want
like perfect condition parts.
That is such a great, that is such a great point.
A perfect combination of desirable, of pristine and undesirable.
That is exactly what this car is.
How weird.
I definitely want one of these, but like an SVT, Mr.
Chrome, like, like I love these cars.
This is just a, it's an odd move, but.
I am consistently surprised at how cheap survivor cars are.
Yeah.
Because even if you just wanted to buy this as a regular used car,
I guarantee you could get 10 easy years out of this car
and you've spent basically no money on it.
Survivor cars are just such deals.
That turn signal stock must just feel like butter, you know, just.
No dude, the turn signal stock in this car.
Did not.
The turn signal stock in this car was trash.
You would notice and know.
Your 96 Explorer was the same one.
It was like too low.
You remember it's too low on the street.
I don't know.
I don't remember.
That was not part of the driving experience I paid any attention to.
Well, Nick, some of us are real drivers and some of us aren't.
Maybe I should be a BMW guy.
Cause like that's, although apparently they're nice, but I mean, I,
I don't, I don't care too much if I use them or not.
Yes.
So we, I love the LC 500.
I've talked about this car for a long time and I've been waiting
for them to come down in value so eventually I can get one.
The new Supra just does not.
Well, yeah.
Spiritually, it's the Supra.
I don't think the Supra is the Supra.
And then naturally aspirated V8 and much more futuristic styling.
Yeah.
So this one, so we sold 17,000 miles on it for 85.
You know, yeah, it's like, yeah, but this car, like, I think it is so cool.
That interior is amazing and reliable and like they're just holding value.
That's a big number.
Mark my words.
The LC's with the updated infotainment, the non remote touch will never
depreciate, will always be regarded as amazing design.
By the way, this every LC, every LC 500, not the hybrids.
Not the hybrid.
The NAV8.
It's little remembered, but there was a V6 hybrid option for a while that's
finally gone, but the naturally aspirated V8 LC's will never really depreciate.
But especially those later ones are just going to stay really, really,
really desirable cars.
And yeah, 88 five for a 17,000 mile.
I mean, this is a fairly used car.
You know, I think it's, it is a little bit of Supra.
I think it's also a little bit of SC430, which has followed a sort of similar
depreciation curve, believe it or not.
Nice SC430s actually remain pretty desirable and pretty valuable.
There is a market for a reliable, beautiful, you know, it may not be as high
performance or performance focused as a Porsche or whatever, but this is a,
this is a special car and the market will continue to treat it as such.
Totally.
I couldn't agree with that more, which is irritating.
Well, at least I know I won't lose money on it when I buy 11 day.
Like this for me.
I mean, yes, it's automatic and stuff, but like, I think as one,
at some point or another, I'll have one of these cars because I love NAV eights.
I love the, it'd be nice to have something really reliable that I don't have to be
concerned with.
Like, and you know, it's just, it's got a lot of appeal to it.
Yep.
By the way, we have sold one.
We have only sold one LC 500 H the hybrid and it's sold for only $45,000.
So this is going to be like the NA auto.
Mark four.
Like if you want to have the, the look, but you can't quite afford the big old V eight,
there will be the, the hybrids will be there.
You just pull the H off the back and no one will know the difference.
A little bit of floss.
Just get that off of there.
Get it right off.
It'll be fine.
You're good to go.
Yeah.
Okay.
I want to move on to questions.
Are you guys, are there any other market reports, Nick?
Do you want to report on anything?
I got none this week.
There's a lot of good stuff out there, but nothing I'm ready to,
I got one more.
I would like to know.
So yeah,
Ferraris have been hot.
The hottest cars on the market.
The Ferrari market has absolutely exploded.
And cars in general have gotten really expensive.
Like the market is hot.
I guess it's partially because we're in summer now.
People are buying like crazy.
It's, it's great.
But as an enthusiast, I'm like, you know, where do like you see value?
Like where does that,
and to me it's in Aston Martin.
When I look at Aston's and what they sell for,
I'm like, that is unbelievable.
I was scrolling through some stuff recently,
like that was just kind of curious.
This particular,
like this one sold for 74 grand.
This is a little while ago now in May,
but this was a manual convertible and a V12 exotic low model,
beautiful looking car.
And it sold for 74 grand.
If this were a Ferrari,
it would be multiples of that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a good point.
It kind of depends on what you're looking for.
Like a Ferrari is probably a better investment opportunity,
but it requires a lot more capital.
But if you're an enthusiast,
these aren't really going to go up that much,
but they are a lot easier to enter
in terms of, you know,
entry level price.
And boy, are they pretty good deals.
When you consider, yeah,
manual V12 and by most measures,
they're pretty reliable cars.
Yeah.
The early ones,
the early ones have some things you have to look out for,
rod bearings, main bearings, stuff like that.
But I mean, even this DBS,
this car's competitor when it came out was the 599.
Like they were similar in price when these two cars came out.
And now it's $81,000 for this car.
That is just an unbelievable value for what you get.
So like, I love these cars.
I plan to own some Aston Martins at some point in the future.
So like that.
I just think that there's such a compelling brand.
They're so cool.
Nick, how come you've never had an Aston?
You know, I'd like to,
I can't get a vantage because you would accuse me
of following in your footsteps and show me the picture with a buffalo
or bison a couple of times.
I can't, I can't give you another win.
So it would have to be a different car on a different website
that shall not be named.
There is a DBAR16 speed that I am actually watching in part
because it's not getting any interest whatsoever.
It looks really, really cool.
I would love to get a Zagato anything Aston.
Like there's a lot of cool stuff out there.
They don't get the action or competitiveness Ferrari does.
They also don't get the pedantic people that are like,
oh, how are your turn signals?
You know, it's like people focus on the driving experience.
And by the way, they're not the way they were.
They were also from like a Ford.
I'm sure.
I, I agree with that.
By the way, speaking of that other auction site, did you see the,
there was a scout project scout that sold for $5?
I did see that.
I thought it was 10 bucks.
But yeah, the first person ever to have the worst case,
no reserve possibility outcome excess.
Yeah.
That's what happens when you overload with too much stuff.
Anyway.
But yeah.
So TJ Hunt just got a vantage, the 4.7 on the 4.2 and he adores it.
And this is a dude that's had LS swapped everything's multiple
Ferraris, like crazy cars.
And he's just like gushing in every episode about how usable it is.
TJ came and showed me that Aston a couple of weeks ago before I left.
I'm going to make a prediction about TJ.
TJ is entering his not modding cars era.
Like he's going to mod the hell out of that vantage,
but I think he's going to like, he's getting older.
I think he's going to be in an LC 500 before long.
He did get married.
Congrats, TJ in the last episode.
So yeah, you know, we're maturing.
We're growing up.
We're maturing.
TJ is going to be in a Bronco Philson before you know it.
Okay.
We got to move on to questions, which were actually good this week,
which I'm surprised about because Sean forgot to post the questions
thing until today.
Oh man.
If you want to ask us questions, you go to carsandbids.com,
you click on the community tab and there'll be a thing there to ask us questions.
Usually it depends if Sean remembers.
There's times when Sean completely forgets.
There's times when Sean is completely shocked that we have a podcast.
He says, Oh my God, we're recording a pod.
We have a, this company has a podcast.
I better get some questions up.
But we got them up.
Is Sean sitting there blaming Ryan Lopez?
I assume he is.
Not yet.
But he's not yet.
He will.
Good questions.
He's blaming Filippo.
Oh, Filippo.
It's his, who's in Italy right now.
He should have been doing that.
Filippo's on vacation.
He's been on vacation for two weeks and designated people to handle all of his
tasks while he was gone.
We're going to blame him.
He's not going to watch this podcast.
He's a good person to blame.
Do you realize too, by the way, Filippo's not just on the vacation from,
from work.
He's on vacation from us.
He doesn't reply to the group thread chat anymore.
He's totally like, maybe we get one.
Nick, Nick, I'm going to, as a man who doesn't travel,
you should know something about time zones.
So.
I've been to Europe.
It's, they, they still have internet.
You?
The time difference.
I meet with my European colleagues all the time.
8 a.m. our time is like 4 p.m. or 3 p.m.
their time.
Like there is enough overlap, right?
They're not in India where it's 12 and a half hours.
It's, it's reasonable.
Ken, and do you think Nick's actually been to Europe like Nick?
I've never known him to have.
I've known him for a century.
I will show you a picture of me in front of the Coliseum ready to fight some dudes
after eating a lot of cacio e pepe, all right?
I, I went and experienced authentic.
I think this was in Las Vegas.
I think that happened in Vegas.
No, that's the Venetian.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Look, I'm in Venice.
I think, I think, are you worried, Doug?
Kenan said six years of working with you is enough.
He's out.
Filippo stopped replying to our group threads.
And I'll tell you why I'm not worried.
Sean isn't posting in questions anymore.
Like it seems there's an exodus going on here.
I'm not worried about Filippo.
And I'll tell you why Filippo can't quit me.
He's tried, but I've known Filippo a lot longer than Kenan.
You don't understand.
I've known Filippo now for 10 years and he worked with me before.
He would film my videos back in the day.
He was in old videos.
Filippo and now he lives near me.
He lives like right by me.
Like he picks up my mail.
Like he did that level.
Like Filippo can't.
Not anymore.
We are, we are, we are like this and, and you can't pull one without pulling the other.
You know what I'm saying?
Filippo is stuck with me.
Grudgingly maybe?
I don't know.
Yeah, that is true though.
He can't, he can't shake you.
It's maybe it's like a Stockholm syndrome thing where if you,
Yeah, I think it is.
If you last warm enough, you get it, you get hooked to it.
I've often felt that way.
Okay.
We got to move on to the questions.
The first question from Ferrari Luce Enthusiast.
He's obviously that username was easy to grab.
Dear Doug, dear Doug, you love being right about cars.
I'm going to stop you right there.
I am right about cars.
Doesn't necessarily mean I love it.
He loves it.
And you also love talking about what cars your friends should and should have gotten.
If you were tasked with selling all of your friends' enthusiast cars,
what would you replace them with and why?
Well, I'm not going to talk to all my friends, but I got two of them right here.
And, and I wanted, I do want to go through that.
For Kenan, I would take him out of his E39M5 and put him in,
in the superior W210 Mercedes E55 AMG.
Blame.
Or two of them.
No, I'm kidding.
Kenan belongs in a Porsche.
He just doesn't know it yet.
Kenan is like,
No, no, I know it, but much like golf, I'm putting it off.
It's something I don't want to get into.
It'll come from me eventually, I'm sure.
Much like golf.
Kenan is a watch enthusiast.
He's a hair enthusiast.
He's a clothes enthusiast.
He's an everything enthusiast.
He belongs in a Porsche talking about grommets.
He just does.
Nick should be in American, like trashy American cars.
Like he should be in a WS6 with like bad wheels.
Like I don't understand why he's not, honestly.
Like he's, that's just who he is.
He should be in a Viper truck.
He should probably have a monster truck, you know, like a real one.
Yeah.
Are you implying my P38 is not a real monster truck?
It's a monster.
I do want to pick up, and that has to be American.
I don't consider Toyota trucks.
Excuse me?
I'm open to a conversation.
You're considered Toyota.
What?
Didn't you see that picture of the Toyota CEO at that NASCAR race with all the Trump stuff?
Yeah.
You know what you should be driving?
That didn't convince me.
You should be driving this.
Wow.
Look at that.
It's, that is crazy.
I think, I don't know if this is true for you.
So growing up in Ohio, a lot of American cars, and much like the Ohio State versus Michigan rivalry,
I felt from an early age I had to pick a side.
I had to decide, am I a Ford guy or a GM guy?
And I picked Ford.
And my grandpa had an F-150.
And like, I've just always been a Ford guy.
And like, always has kind of been like, I don't know what the right word.
Not resentful, but like skeptical of the GM people.
Like, oh, okay.
Yeah.
You quadruple steer.
How cool.
You know, like, no, I want an SVT lightning.
I want an expedition SVT thunder clone.
You are a Ford guy.
I want the Ford.
I agree.
Maybe I'd accept a Mercury, but not.
I can't.
GMC is just a step too far.
Last week on this podcast, when I said that I was thinking about getting a Jeep,
there were a bunch of angry people who were like,
aren't you a Ford man?
Get a Bronco because I have a Ford GT.
And I'm like, no, I'm not a Ford man.
Don't tar me with Nick's brush.
So you're team Chevy, huh?
You got the Calvin.
No, I don't care.
I've had every make and model.
I've had every make of car.
I've had Kia's.
I had two Cadillacs.
It goes back to this holistic approach to cars that you, you're a car stop.
I think it goes back to the, the intent of the question, which is you love being right
and claiming that you're right and picking cars for everyone.
All right.
Well, I've picked for you guys.
And I think I'm right.
Next question from Ferrari 45 Nate.
Dear Doug in parliament, which decision was worse Jaguar's rebrand or the Ferrari Luce?
Luce easy.
I don't even think the Jaguar's rebrand was a bad idea.
This was a company that was aimless, directionless.
It had absolutely no chance of anything.
And so they've rebranded.
I don't even think it's failed yet.
If they come out with a car that looks like that car, they've been trotting around.
I think it could be kind of cool.
Honestly, it has like a my bike Accelerot type vibe.
I've got obviously the announcement of the rebrand, the video, the taking a year off of
building cars, which is turned into all that has been weird, but I'm not even sure that
that's a failure.
The Luce is a failure.
It's, it's, it's a terrible, terrible failure and it's, it's pathetic.
And I don't think that's true of Jaguar necessarily.
It is funny because you mentioned at the beginning, having the, the new Ferrari, the Jag and the
Luce next to one another, I saw a picture, edited them together.
It's like, though that's where we are now.
The Luce makes the Jag look like a bargain if they produce it at the number they're going
to produce it at.
Because $670,000 for the Luce is like, that's one of the things that really kills it for
me.
It's like, it's just, geez, that's so much money.
So I don't know.
The Jag actually looks cooler to me as a result now.
On that subject, by the way, we actually have a question.
I'm going to skip to it because it's a good one.
Hello from CaliAce.
If Ferrari had released the Luce at an entry level price point, like 150 to 200, would
that have been better received by the world?
It's interesting, but when the 650 price tag hits, we all think Ferrari has lost their
mind.
Yeah, it would have been better received, but the problem is it would have been dilution,
even more dilution on the brand and diluted.
And I think that that's the problem that Ferrari faces here.
They release a car that probably should be priced around 150 to 200, but they're Ferrari,
so they can't price it there.
It's not a good situation all around.
And I think that you can't price this car like a Maibach EQS and compete in that world.
You have to price it higher to maintain this sort of image, but then at the same time,
the car doesn't actually perform at the level that we're hoping it does.
And so they're like painted into a corner.
They can't do anything but price it high.
I agree.
There's no pricing strategy for that car that would help or hurt worse.
It was a lose-lose no matter what they announced it at.
Yeah, because imagine if they had priced it at 100 or 150, and then you see them everywhere.
Well, suddenly the Ferrari brand is tarnished like the Maserati Ghibli when they came out
with that at $65,000.
I mean, even 300k, right?
Like, it's okay.
That's middle of the road.
We wouldn't be criticizing the price.
We'd still be criticizing everything else.
There was no winning at that point.
It doesn't matter.
On the topic of Maserati, it was useful when Ferrari had Maserati as another brand they
could use to sell less expensive models.
And they still was in the same family, still the same designers.
You still got something that was exotic.
They could be serviced at the same dealers.
That was nice.
And it would have been nice to have that for Luigi and had it be a Maserati.
But yeah, you're exactly right.
They painted themselves into a corner.
What did you expect them to do?
Don't worry.
It'll be worth 150 grand pretty quickly.
Yeah.
Yeah, you were so...
Question-asker Caliace, you wanted it at 150?
Give it two years.
That might be two years.
I don't even know if it'll be two years.
We'll see.
SF90s are already down 50%.
You've got to figure this thing is going to drop even more.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this car is trading at a third of MSRP in two years
if it ever comes out or trades at MSRP in the first place.
I can't believe we're finally going to have a Ferrari that the dealers are going to have
to work to sell and discount.
Like, what a crazy thing.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah, man.
Dealers, yeah, dealers begging people to take them.
That's going to be...
I hope people screenshot and share like the allocations they're offered or like the special
deals and like the favors they will carry.
Go on Ferrari Chat.
This is going to be a big story on Ferrari Chat.
Like, the dealer called me for the 11th time telling me he's got three luches on the ground.
It's just going to be a totally different experience for Ferrari than they've ever had.
Like, even SF90 and 12-cylinder which have not been tremendously successful cars, they're
sold generally.
They found buyers, they're selling them.
It's rare that you have a Ferrari on the ground.
You know, Ferrari has these rules that dealers cannot advertise like on AutoTraderCars.com.
They only advertise on the Ferrari dealer network.
Like, they don't need to advertise on those.
Well, it's going to change.
Like, this is a car that's going to have to be advertised in traditional ways, probably
with big, least special type things because that's the only way they're going to get these
things done.
Did you see Camisa found one in the live in San Francisco shooting a TV commercial and
Ferrari doesn't need TV commercials?
Who we love dearly but who is a contrarian, if we're being honest.
Even Camisa was tremendously opposed to that car and gave a very anti-luche take in his
post about it.
When you've lost the contrarians, you've truly lost.
The comments on last week's pod, by the way, were so great on some of the...
Oh, every Apple device looks better with a cover.
So maybe this one needs a cover too.
Maybe you need to flip it upside down to charge it.
Like, there was just so many hilarious takes on it.
It's given us comedy.
I will give Ferrari that.
Thank you.
Next question from IS500DMAX.
Hi, Doug and friends.
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but what do you guys think about NASCAR going
to the Coronado Naval Base next weekend to hold a race there?
I figured I'd ask since it's close to the cars in Bid's office.
Ken and Nick, are you going to this NASCAR race?
What are you doing?
I don't remember.
Are we going with Kevin?
I thought there was something we were going to do for that, but I think it's cool.
I think it is really cool they're doing it.
There used to be races on the base.
There were things that they used to...
Vintage car races.
Vintage car races, which were really cool.
We don't have any motorsport anywhere near San Diego.
The nearest track is three and a half, four hours away.
There's nothing really here.
I have this in our backyard.
I think it's going to be cool.
That said, getting on and off of Coronado, absolute nightmare.
The whole entire state of Arizona is going to be in Coronado next weekend.
Most of them are already there.
Most of them are already, but they're staying.
My friend Carly, who lives in Arizona, was like, she was like,
I only go to Coronado when I come to San Diego.
I'm like, you are deep Arizona.
I live in Arizona.
We stayed in Coronado.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the place everybody goes.
But I'm excited for it.
I think it is cool as hell.
I would be going, I'm going to be in real America that week,
Wyoming, fly fishing and side by siding and bonfires and s'mores.
However, I'm pumped for it.
I think it's so cool.
And the fact that it's here, I think Doug, you should be driving
a Chevy Lumina pace car or something to that effect.
Yeah, I totally should be driving the pace car.
Who's driving the damn pace car for this thing?
It ought to be me.
I'm upset now at this point.
I want to be driving the pace car.
It's probably TJ Hunt and Anasta Martin.
TJ, TJ always gets the cool stuff.
Am I right, Nick?
He always gets the good stuff, right, bud?
Right, Nick?
How does it feel to be the second most popular YouTuber in San Diego
in the car space?
Second to TJ, it feels great because he's a lovely guy.
If it were someone I hated, we'd have a different conversation.
Okay, next question.
This is actually a good question that scares me from pricey melons.
Speaking of Nick, pricey melons.
Nice.
Hello, Doug and team members.
We all remember how the hypercar Holy Trinity of the early 2010s was
and how pivotal it was for ushering hyper technology to high-performance cars.
I agree with that.
Would you agree that the new Holy Trinity of the mid-2020s
consisted of the Jaguar Type 01, the AMG GT four-door EV,
and the Ferrari Luce.
God, how far we've fallen.
It's an interesting point.
I don't think that's the Holy Trinity, but all three of those brands
have all released very special hypercar performance level
electric vehicles that are at crazy price points
within the last few weeks here.
And man, we've fallen pretty far from Enzo SLR and Courage GT.
Have a win.
I got the vibe of the justification for higher education posters
when we were kids.
Like imagining all those cars lined up and you think like,
high school is fine.
I'm good.
But GED, maybe trade school.
If that's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, I'm good.
If we're working hard for a Luce and a Jaguar Type 01
and that four-door Fish Mercedes.
Yep.
You know what?
I'm actually all set.
Thank you so much.
I'm going to drop out after middle school and go work on the coal mines.
Well, from Wiley MCL.
Dear Doug, are there any quirks and features
that you wish automakers would add to cars that do not exist currently?
I think cold steering wheels would be nice.
Well, I thought you were going to say climate controls on the steering wheel.
Like it's where it belongs and should be.
That's true.
Climate controls should be on the steering wheel.
Instead of volume, they should also have climate control.
But why do they have heated and cooled seats,
but they don't have a cooled steering wheel?
Have you ever thought of that?
I want to put my hands on something.
Here's what I want.
I want to get in a car and I want to put my hands on something
that feels like an air hockey table.
Sounds delightful.
Why don't we have that?
I'm guessing it's because to do the heated steering wheel
is just a coil wrapped around the steering wheel that then makes it warm.
To pump the air up early?
Yeah, that was true.
That was true for heated seats for years,
and then they came out with ventilated seats.
Yeah, you've got more room to work with there.
The steering wheel is kind of, you know, fixed.
I am giving this to the automakers.
Listen, I am a successful business founder.
I'm a fountain of ideas, okay?
And here I am giving something to the automakers.
It's like when I went to the Lexus Press Launch
and the E-S, the new E-S a couple of weeks ago,
I said your LX over there doesn't have car seat tethers in the third row.
I was like, if it did, I would get one.
And I don't think they care all that much,
but I was giving them an idea.
This was me teaching them how to succeed.
You're welcome.
The entire automotive world collectively thanks you.
Do you got any features you wish were in cars?
Nick would be shocked to know what features are in cars.
The features I want are V8, manual transmission, and triple lockers.
They could be like, they got auto wipers?
You can, whoa.
I did.
I just wove themselves?
How do they know when to wipe?
Streaming Bluetooth music into one of my cars recently,
and that's a game changer.
That should be a standard feature.
I'll tell you what I wish they'd bring to the United States.
They have it in Europe.
Is the auto dipping feature for, like the auto dip feature for one side of the road.
So like the oncoming traffic dips on one side,
but you can still see beyond that.
It has finally been approved and that new Audi Q7 that we talked about has it.
And it's not just that.
It's not just that because now there's LEDs,
so there's individual LEDs within the headlights,
and they've finally approved the ability to darken individual LEDs.
And I used this in 2019 on a Mercedes Benz in Europe, and it was amazing.
You could have your high beams on you, full blast,
and a car would come towards you,
and it would just darken the high beams in that column where the car was.
And otherwise, it was full blast, high beams, the rest of it.
So it wouldn't blind the person, and you could still see.
It was incredible.
And that is finally, finally legal in the US.
There are other things that I wish the manufacturer would do.
Like kind of like what the Chinese manufacturers are doing,
like where stuff floats, or it jumps like crazy stuff.
We have the ability to do it.
A lot of cars, especially EVs, are just kind of all the same, if we're honest.
Performance is crazy.
They're silent.
So more gimmicky, cool stuff like that.
I agree.
I'm here for it.
I agree.
Give it time.
They'll come.
As EVs proliferate, they will come.
I'm going to do two other questions.
Two other questions.
Two other questions.
From MB West 7000.
Dear Kennan and other degenerates.
Boy, isn't that true.
Especially when it's the three of us.
Dear Kennan and other degenerates,
what is the proper way to organize service records into various paperwork
documenting a car's history?
Is stuffing it all in a folder sufficient,
or must documents be placed in clear sleeves
in a three-ring binder with an accompanying spreadsheet?
Oh gosh.
What would the spreadsheet be like?
Kennan, did you write this question?
No, I didn't.
But it's a beautiful question.
It's a beautiful question.
Because Kennan is misspelled throughout the question.
Yeah, as always.
That's what you would do if you were Kennan to throw off the sun.
If this was not Kennan, it was Kennan Summer Intern.
Right.
It's Kennan Summer Intern.
That's right.
No, I mean, in my view, if you want the real answer to this,
I believe so.
You open up the binder.
There should be a cover sheet first that tells you what the car is
and has a logo on it.
And like your VIN in the year and all that stuff.
You open that up.
And then in there, you should have,
I like to have like the window sticker,
anything that originally came with the car.
After that, then I'll have like start with registration stuff.
And then chronologically from the oldest piece of service documentation
all the way to the newest.
And it should be done.
They should be in acid free sleeves.
So that doesn't pull the ink out of the pages.
And then you should be able to flip through it.
That's like, and I like to have it like labeled by year.
Like so you could quickly get to it if you need to.
So that's how I like to do it.
And my service binder is about, I'm actually able to switch.
I'm switching to volume two because I have a four inch binder
and I filled it all the way up.
So it's time.
I am embarrassed to admit that this is more or less how I organize
my service documentation as well for my cars.
With the exception of my daily drivers,
which are just stuffed into a folder, but I do have everything.
Well, it's good that you have it.
I can organize it for you if you wish.
That is something that I do.
I love doing that.
Well, no, the dailies, I don't care about the dailies.
My other cars, though, all the good cars I have,
it is organized just like you said.
That's how it should be.
Because how am I supposed to find something
if I need to find a specific record?
And then I also have a spreadsheet.
Yeah, as do I.
The spreadsheet is much more advanced than the binder.
There are a lot of functions.
Don't you find, maybe it's me,
there's a point of which I don't want to know anymore.
The P38, I think the ownership experience would be better
if I didn't keep track of the service because you forget.
Evolutionary-wise, we have adapted as a species
to forget the traumatic and the bad experiences
and remember the good experiences better.
The service records to me are the trauma that I'm holding onto.
It would be like keeping track of every report card I had.
I don't want to see that.
I like it. I like knowing.
I like knowing.
It's very different philosophies.
Part of it is I buy slightly nicer cars than you do.
You're blind or you're going on a volume two.
I don't know if that's working.
Yeah, I've done 100,000 miles.
Yeah.
Over 10 years.
Especially for the purpose of selling the car later,
you want to know.
You want to know what you have replaced and when.
It's important.
Nick, you don't keep cars long enough, so it doesn't.
I went through the binder of my P38 and said,
okay, the heater core O-rings were replaced as was the math sensor
within the last 20,000 miles.
Guess what both failed, right?
And all it did was throw me off or I didn't replace those parts
because I thought, oh, well, someone already replaced them.
They should be fine.
Guess what?
That car is a different situation because that car is trash.
No, it's vintage.
Okay, it's vintage and that's acceptable.
I'm going to do one more question from Emmys0424.
Dear Doug, how high would the price on the CreerJT need to rise
before you would no longer be comfortable driving it?
Kennan, what do you think?
We're getting there.
Pretty close.
I mean, the number you bought it at versus what it's worth now,
I mean, it's just a lot because the thing with your car,
the CreerJT that's unusual, it doesn't get noticed by people,
by normal people.
It kind of just blends into the background.
If your car enthusiasts know what it is and if you're not,
then you don't notice, which is part of the appeal.
However, that also means that normal people pull out in front of you,
cut you off, and they don't understand that if something happens,
it will change the financial trajectory of their lives.
And it's just nerve wracking and I can imagine for you,
yes, you do have money to afford that car,
but it's like, if anything happens, it's just terrifying.
Yeah, it's scary.
I don't drive it much, which sucks because the best thing about it is how it drives
and that's why it has become so valuable because it is such a great car to drive.
The best thing about it is not looking at it, is not thinking about it,
is not even showing people because they go into my garage,
casual car enthusiasts, they don't know what it is.
The best thing about it is driving it and it's becoming untenable.
Nick, how expensive would the P38 have to be before you stop?
I think that is a hypothetical that will never occur.
What about asked a different way?
How much money do you have to drop into your P38 before you think about maybe...
It's starting to get so nice.
I installed a glove box last weekend and let me tell you what,
just classes it up a notch.
When you say it's starting to get so nice, is that inclusive of your experience
where it failed on a one-hour drive?
Yeah, because I replaced all the coolant hoses now
and so it feels very strong, very ready for the next 10,000 miles.
But you know what? I bet you it isn't.
I bet you it isn't. No chance.
I'd love that truck. I know it's stupid.
It's just like you fall in love with some things.
With all of its flaws, maybe because of all of its flaws,
that's how I feel about the P38.
I truly believe, and I know you think this is crazy or that I'm just saying it,
it is everything that people love about the D90 and D110 Defenders just nicer.
It's a little rickety, it's a little crappy.
That's why I liked my Defender 90 because it wasn't nice.
It was a truck.
No, no, this isn't nice either.
The P38 is not nice.
It's just a little bit nicer, more usable than a Defender,
but otherwise the same vibes.
That's not what we're looking for.
That's not what we're looking for.
We liked getting into a car that had no door tops
and you just turn, you can turn the keys standing outside of it
and it rumbles and is rough and ridiculous.
That's what we liked about the Defender.
All of the above is true for the P38.
It's a farm of the doors.
The P38 is luxurious for people like you who need sort of a coddling experience.
Okay, Mr. Turn signal here, let me tell you how luxurious this thing is.
It is plastic, it is cracking, there are holes in it.
It is not nice by anyone's standards.
I don't know if it sounds pretty good.
It sounds like it's ready for the next 10,000 miles.
Anyway, it's fit an absolute pleasure.
Can I add anything to add?
Go check out Canon R.
Canon R, Canon's car auction representation business.
Canon is going to be a killer.
Yeah, thank you.
You can email me to auctions at kenanr.com,
but go check out the video and like I said, I will still be here.
I'm delighted to be here.
It's one of my favorite hours of the week that I get to spend talking with you guys.
You degenerates, fellow degenerates.
Fellow degenerates.
Goodbye, everyone.
Thank you for a wonderful podcast.
Goodbye.
Bye.
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Chapters:00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:14 Kennan Is Leaving Us!
00:05:30 Audi Nuvolari
00:13:21 The New Audi Q7
00:18:46 Ford Bronco Filson Edition
00:22:54 Toy Story Porsches
00:26:26 The Ferrari Laptop
00:30:58 The New BMW M2
00:35:01 Talk Cars
00:35:10 Doug Bought A Supra!
00:42:00 Nick Hired An Intern?
00:46:58 Kennan Got A Turn Signal Stalk
00:51:13 Market Report
00:51:22 BMW F10 M5
00:52:33 BMW Z3 M Coupe
00:54:54 V6 Auto Mustang
00:57:02 Lexus LC500
00:59:34 Aston Martins
01:03:06 Community Questions
01:05:47 What Would Doug Replace His Friend's Cars With?
01:08:57 Which Was Worse The Jaguar Rebrand Or Ferrari Luce?
01:10:10 Would The Luce Be Better Received At A Lower Price?
01:14:06 Will You Attend The San Diego Nascar Race?
01:16:04 Have We Arrived At A New Holy Trinity?
01:17:25 What Future Quirks And Features Would You Like To See?
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