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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Felipe. I'm Nick and I'm Doug and we got a big podcast
for you starting with the news. Nick, start us off. All right. The new BMW X5 has officially
been released and boy is it a looker. Do you like how it looks?
I do like how it looks. Yeah. And by the way, good news, the X headlights that look like the
cartoon emoji character dead face, you can remove like there's a button to turn off one of those
sets. So there's flashes, not X's. I do not love how it looks, but primarily only because
of the wheel arches. I think everything else looks pretty good. The wheel arches are sort of
cartoonishly exaggerated in kind of an odd way. Sorry, I have to get low because Sean got mad
at me for getting low earlier. They're exaggerated in kind of an odd way. And other than that,
I think it looks like, I mean, it's fine. It looks like a new car. It's a new class BMW.
That's what they all look like more or less. Yeah. When is this coming?
Uh, 2027 is the model year then. They revealed that at their factory in America.
October. And that's going to be great. And then it'll go on sale. And then other ones are coming
in early 27. This is fantastic. There's going to be an electric. It's going to have a 435 mile range.
Nick, you pumped for that. I can't get past the looks, although the rest of that sounds pretty
competitive. The outgoing model is just so classically handsome and good looking. It's so
boring. It's so dull. It looks so generic. Like, I hate to say it because it's a fantastic car,
but like the X5 has not been a like interesting car for a lot of generations. And they decided
to do Volkswagen Atlas wheel arches this time and I'm interested. To go just a tiny bit deeper,
five power train options. The 40 will be the regular B 58 with a mild hybrid. 50 E will have
plug it would be plug in hybrid, 403 horsepower. An M 60 E will be a plug in hybrid with more
power. Electric as Doug said with 435 miles of range is really strong. And they've also said
there will be a hydrogen model, although they don't have a timeline for that and it will never
happen. Have you seen the interior? Do we have an interior photo? It's quite something.
It's a lot of street. It really does match the other new class BMWs. It looks like a wide like
upper display and then a large driver's display with the same like cut corners that the three series
and the X3 have and then a passenger display too. There's also a four spoke steering wheel. Does
that bother you, Nick? The fourth spoke is vertical at the top. Yeah. That is an odd choice. I would
prefer a cleaner three simple. Honestly, though, all of these, they did a good job at spacing it up
without making it too polarizing like some of their designs. I don't love it. I'm not the target
audience. I think it's fine. You are literally the target audience. You give a couple of kids,
you live in the senior suburbs. Nick wouldn't buy a new car if he got slapped in the face by the
new car ferry. I'm actually considering the XC 90, which funny enough, they did the most boring,
non-redesign redesign ever. Like it's hard to tell the difference between the two. This was like
three years ago. Filippo, he's telling us a year and a half ago and it looks worse than before.
Yeah. It was a good update. Every facelift looks worse than what came before it, without exception.
Don't agree. That's okay. LP640D, the LP580. You think the LP580 looked better?
No, the other way around. The facelift looked better. Were you saying the opposite?
The previous, the pre-facelift car always looks better than the facelift car, 100% of the time
without exception. The E90 regular LCI looks better, I think. That's the one exception. I was
going to say that. That's the one exception. The LCI E90s look better. The life cycle impulse,
as we call it, as BMW enthusiasts. The Gallardo situation was made much worse with the facelift.
They facelifted the front and not the rear, which is a mistake that a lot of automakers make,
and it looks heinous. The early Gallardo's look the best, but the later ones are the best.
I was arguing Mercilago. The LP640 Mercilago looks better as a pre-facelift owner.
Absolutely. It does not. It only does to people who have the early car. If you actually look at them,
the cleaner look of the early car looks, because the early car, people want the later car and
they convince themselves, oh, if only I had that asymmetrical vent design. The truth is,
the early car looks better. It's cleaner. Speaking of rears, I do think the rear of the
New X5 is the worst-looking part. I think it's a little bit overstyled. Also, there's not the
split tailgate. Every X5 up till this one has had a split tailgate. They've said that to reduce
complexity and weight. They're removing that. Unfortunately, for them, the New X5, the base
trim is 300 pounds heavier than the prior one. Every BMW is getting heavy. Split tailgates
are hard to engineer, and there's a real question as to whether people actually care.
I will also say one quick note. The new one, you can order with slate in the interior. Maybe
that's part of their 300 pounds. It's hard for me to explain how many times I changed the
baby's diaper on the split tailgate of my Land Cruiser. I don't have that feature anymore in
my Sequoia, but I do have a pop-out rear glass. Does the X5? I have not seen anything about that.
I don't believe it does anymore, because of the spoiler design. No way. No chance it does.
And the new 3 Series wagon, which historically has always had it, does not either.
Wow. The world is changing beneath our feet. Nick, are you pretty excited about a brand new
X5 in your life here? Are you going to be seeing them around your town all the time?
We probably will see that. It gives me IX5s. I wonder if I won't notice, but it is bigger, I
guess. It is a little bigger than the prior X5 by 2.2 inches. The IX is about the same size as
the new X5. What's your favorite X5? The E53X5, the first X5. I owned a manual one,
and it's just, I think, the most beautiful SUV. I think that the most attractive X5,
and my favorite X5 overall, this is going to blow you away, was the E70X5M in the blue.
I was going to say the same thing, actually, and I hate to agree with you. You agree with me or him?
With you, Doug. That X5M, I saw one yesterday, and I was like, oh, that is a good-looking car.
Why haven't I owned one? Overstyled, two-sporty looking, and I think the E70 is the worst-looking
XF. No. This new one is. The one on the screen. Anyway, I can't wait to drive this thing when
it shows up. It's going to be an absolute blast for us all. I have no doubt, especially Slate
in the interior. Give us our next news story, Nick. What else do you got?
E-Shift. We've talked a lot about the Ioniq 5N and 6N and whatever that have this fake shifting
feel. Porsche can shift gears, which is unusual. Porsche has now, in the new Taycan,
excuse me, also has this functionality. It's supposed to mimic a PDK, and there's a bunch of
different products. What do you mean by new Taycan? They're not changing the Taycan, right?
It's a facelifted Taycan. It's for $27, and there's no more cross-terrismo or sports-terrismo
Taycan, sadly. But there's a bunch of cool things. It's supposed to mimic different drive modes,
and there'll be a different baseline RPM at idle, and it'll feel a little bit different.
First reviews are out. Seems like it sort of works. What's kind of interesting in my mind is
they didn't try to mimic an engine sound. You may have thought, okay, they're going to
make the sound like a flat six, or they're going to make the sound like the Carrergy TV 10,
because they could, right? They're faking the gear shift. They're faking the sound and feel.
They could make it sound whatever. No, the sound that comes out associated with each gear is just
like an electrical sound based on early reviews. You know what sound I would like to hear?
Yeah. I would like to hear a 997.1 engine with a failing intermediate shaft bearing.
That would be fantastic. Every time you shift, it's like there's some metal rubbing.
That would be fun. Don't you think, Filippo? I love that thought, yeah.
I mean, there's no reason they couldn't go to the sound of bore scoring.
This is great. Fantastic feature. We reported on this recently. Now we have a picture of a button.
Yep. And so it's intended to simulate PDK, but it doesn't. It just makes electric car noises.
That's fine. It's supposed to be a noticeable gear shift feel and gear specific drag torque,
which is like engine braking, and a virtual rev limiter at like 7,000 something RPM, so not
even that high of RPM. And it's available. There's like a bunch of, there's eight different
gears and some couple of different modes. Nick, you're going to want to play around with this?
I mean, it's weird because the people who would really care about this, the enthusiasts,
we're going to keep buying actual manuals or not even EVs in general. So like,
I don't know exactly who this appeals to. I think it'll be interesting. I want to play with it.
I don't want to own one. And I think a lot of people, I think it's a cool idea. I think they
should do it. I can't imagine this is a long, eventually everyone's going to realize, okay,
this is ultimately a gimmick that doesn't improve the performance of the car. It's sort of like
going from the IBM ThinkPad to the ThinkPad by Lenovo. You're like kind of, it's like a
intermediary step to just warm everyone up to the idea of EVs because they realize they couldn't
just throw us in. It's like going from the IBM ThinkPad to the ThinkPad by Lenovo. Nick, what
is that shirt that you're wearing today? WTF is a kilometer. It is going to be the day this comes
out July 3rd, but we celebrate the 4th of July all week in my household. So I'm celebrating today
on Wednesday as we're filming. I am leading a kids parade on Saturday, so it will not be a cars and
coffee sadly, but I'm pumped. You're leading kids parade. Are you going to wear that shirt in the
kids parade, Nick? I think so. I don't think kids know what WTF stands for. Right. And I'm sure the
parents, especially up where you live, the parents will probably be like, yeah, man. Like what the
Frank, you know, what's a Celsius? I agree. I agree. By the way, you should tell the parents
that the X5 is built in South Carolina. They'll like it. It's so confusing now. Yeah. A lot of the,
you know, I sort of posted some American truck sentiment the other week on this pod and people
were like, Oh, the tundra is made in America. No, it's not. Yes, it is. It's a Toyota.
But those trucks are as American as they get. They are designed in America. The components
are all built in America. The truck is only sold in America. They're only sold. Yeah,
the Sequoia and the tundra are only sold in America, like Japan, but it doesn't get any
more American. They also are exploding all over the place, which is like Mary Chevy Tahoe of them.
Like the powertrains and those tundras and Sequoia is like at any moment they might blow up.
I'm going to be zipping around in my Ford Focus on the 4th of July and enjoying being in America.
To be fair, what do you think is the most American car, Nick? I'm not asking for facts,
because you won't have those. We don't know that. I'm asking for like feeling.
Based on vibe. It's got to be the Corvette, right? And I think we do have a new story on the Corvette,
but it's big power. There's not a lot of refinement. It is like the most prosperous,
like fast, loud, like it feels like America. I'm glad you didn't say most in GTD because that's
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Let's move forward to Polestar, speaking of America and cars we did not get. Polestar's been banned
from America for stealing our secrets. If you drive a Polestar, you're stealing from us. Fully
Bill, give us the truth. They have been banned from America. That part incredibly is true.
It's not actually true. The software was banned. Well, because you could switch where the software
comes from or how the software works or whatever. Not really. So a couple of years ago under the
Biden administration, the Commerce Department, there was a new law and rule that basically meant
that you can't have software that was developed in China or that had pieces of that software
that was written in China. Is that just in vehicles or is that in all sorts of stuff?
Yeah. For our purpose of vehicles and primarily only vehicles, there's a lot of other products
that obviously have software developed in China that are for sale here. The thought was I don't
want to allow for Quo that may be stealing information, maybe using GPS, camera information
for whatever purpose. There's not really evidence that that's happening, but there's a fear,
certainly, that that is what is happening. Polestar, of course, is owned by Geely, which is a
Chinese company. I'll know Volvo also owned by Geely. All the automakers could either kind of
prove that they didn't have any Chinese software and code in their car stack or apply for a waiver
trying to explain how they use the data, explain the data privacy and security around it,
explaining why the Commerce Department shouldn't be concerned. Volvo was granted a waiver.
Polestar, which has the same ownership, was not granted a waiver. And so starting with the
2027 model year, they will not be able to sell any vehicles. Nick, are you aware of this?
Polestar noted brand that makes a confusing amount of vehicles that are good lease deals.
The two, the three and four. Well, the two's gone. The three and the four.
And the three and the four, and no one knows which is which, and one of them doesn't have a
rear window. They're gone, Nick. It's over. What are you going to do? I'm aware, to be honest,
it is the most confusing thing to me is how Volvo got through and Polestar did it. Because when
you look at the cars, the Polestar looks like a Volvo with just a slightly different logo.
And you know, it's interesting. That was the argument the Commerce Department tried to make.
Hey, wait a minute. The Polestar looks like a Volvo. But in the end, they didn't grant the waiver.
Yeah. So the Polestar and some Polestar employees, former employees, because most U.S. employees
have or will be laid off, have been a little upset by this, right? Because they're brand
that they've invested a lot of time in. And there is a lot of American role in that. And by the way,
the Polestar three, which is their small SUV, is built at Volvo's plant in the U.S.
And so the car is literally built in the U.S. So there's been a little bit of confusion and
frustration from Polestar employees around why were we not granted a waiver when our corporate
sibling Volvo was. Volvo's response is that we will never be able to see what the Polestar five
could have been. No, it came out. It is available in Europe. Some journalists have been to press
drives for it. That's the point that we'll never be able to see what it could have been. It could
have turned the fortunes around for this entire generic brand. Yeah, it could have. So Polestar,
no more. I think the big story here is obviously the Commerce Department flexing some muscle and
being able to just make it so the entire automaker cannot sell cars here and not necessarily through
super clear reasons. All those arguments for why they were successful is these are all in a case
by case basis. We were able to demonstrate to the Commerce Department that data is not a risk.
And so they issued us a waiver. I don't know if they took different approaches than Polestar.
I don't know if the Commerce Department is being less inconsistent. We'll probably never really
know for sure. I'm going to make two predictions here. Number one, Polestar will be granted a
waiver eventually. Number two, I don't think I'm going to try anymore. TikTok is stealing from us.
No, Oracle owns all their data. We don't know that. Senator, I'm Singaporean.
Excellent callback to TikTok CEO explaining to some US senators that Singapore is not part of
China. By the way, Polestar, the press releases around this, we're really focused on. We're
frustrated by this, but our core market is actually Europe. Europe was 80% of their global sales
last year. And so they're going to keep their focus there. They have said and they've made
clear or as clear as you to the extent that you believe them, that they will keep servicing
vehicles in the US. They'll keep their service departments open and they will still sell their
remaining US inventory, which based on the number of pull serves that I see, I imagine is sizable.
The Polestar 5 looks like a Panamera Audi 7 situation. Nick, we're not going to get this
beautiful car. What a shame. Filippo, you've done the reading, so you can fact check me here,
but my initial reaction to this was Alon Musk was heavy into the government early on.
They're a car company that's disinterested in making cars anymore, and they built their company
mostly based on exploiting regulatory loopholes and government subsidies. Did Alon Musk cash in
some favors and say, ban my competition so that I can sell more Model Ys? I love the just full
lawn conspiracy theory at Elon's expense here. Yes, it's total tinfoil habit and no facts.
Our best bet is to just not respond. First off, you agree, Filippo, the weirdest part was when
he called them Alon Musk several times. Second weirdest part is the idea that Polestar at any
point ever was a real competitor for Tesla. Nick, that would be like you trying to, when you're
leading that parade, trying to ban a worm from also being on the street. Well, not really.
You got to start somewhere. It's like a lion. You pick off the weakest of the pack. So Polestar
was the low-hanging fruit, and then you could say, oh, well, maybe we should also ban Lucid,
because there's some shady stuff going in the Middle East. You know what I think they should
try to ban is the very best electric car of all, the Mach-E rally. Now, Nick Stafford, who's one
of our producer folks here, he does all the editing. He saw one this week, and he sent me a picture of
it. He said, I saw one of these, and I said, I've seen one of them, but just one. Filippo,
I've seen one, literally one also. Car can go rallying like a Stratos.
This isn't one of the stories we have, but I'll mention it. California just rolled out a new
incentive for EV sales. I saw that. $300 for a new EV that's below $50,000. The $50,000 cap,
fun fact, does not apply if the manufacturer is headquartered in the state of California. Tesla
had been headquartered in the state of California, but no longer is. It only applies to Lucid and
then a sub 50k EVs. So like a bunch of like Honda or Hyundai Kia, I think would count as having
headquarters there, but they don't sell very many 50k plus EVs. Headquarters, Nick, tell them where
Hyundai Kia's headquarters actually is, buddy. Hit them up. Say it right now. Orange County?
So he thinks Toyota is headquartered in Japan, but Hyundai Kia's headquartered in Orange County.
Don't you have a rule? You don't go north of the Hyundai building?
Yeah, but if you're going to say Toyota is Japanese, you got to say Hyundai Kia is Korean,
for Christ's sake. I mean, their vibe is, they're not American brands, but where they're physically
have an office is different. By the way, the other Polestar model, the Polestar 4 built in South
Korea. Is that true? Yeah. Really? Yeah. The Polestar 4 has a cave in. I can't speak to the
then, but it is built in South Korea. Yeah. Any cars built in North Korea, Filippo?
Not that I'm for sale outside of North Korea. Give us the next news story.
Oh, what is this vehicle is the new Hyundai Elantra? What fun fact for you?
That's the new Elantra? Yeah, it looks wild. It's incredibly futuristic looking. It has these
huge rear fenders, really cool light treatment. So in South Korea, speaking of Hyundai in South
Korea, it's called the Alvante. It's what the launchers called and the Alvante next generation
has been revealed, picture of which is there. The rest of the car looks equally kind of wild,
and it will be coming here as the next Elantra. We expect to see it in 2027.
Wow. It doesn't look bad. Same powertrains, et cetera, as before, technically a different
hybrid engine, but who really cares. But it looks really quite cool and like a huge screen,
as you'd expect. It's a new interior and that really kind of wild.
Are you looking at this thing? Have you seen this thing? I am. I'm with you. It kind of gives me
uris vibes in a couple of places, but it is bold, futuristic, kind of cool. Yeah.
You know what the problem is going to be? This is one thing I don't like about the
Hyundai sedans is that they show up with these pictures, and then when you see them on the road,
they have 13-inch hubcaps, and instead of LED lights, they have halogens in every orifice,
and it looks like they're on a fast track to the airport rental lots, and then
to the seater parts of town. You know? Like the Kia K4, am I wrong? Yes.
But on the seater parts of town, in town where there's a lot of rental car fleets,
they're driving around everywhere. I do. The K4 looks fine. The Lancer looks fine.
The K4 looks getting nice trims. The weaker K4s are weak. I love base trim vehicles,
and so I'm here for it. Yeah, like the Enzo. Like the base Enzo, yes. No radio. I mean,
you must like that. Yeah, right. I do. It's a cool design. Obviously, Hyundai has been known,
and Kia have been known for pushing the boundaries of design and pushing their design
language forward in a meaningful way generation after generation after generation. This is just
the next generation of that. And by the way, there is a small window in the C-pillar between the B
and C-pillar. The C and D-pillar. Excuse me. Is it a hatchback then? I believe it's a sedan,
but it looks a little hatchbacky to me. Hey, Filippo, if you could daily an Enzo,
an MC-12, or one of those little Mario carts that they ride around, like tour groups ride around
in Japan, and you have to dress up as Bowser every time, what would you daily? I prefer the MC-12,
but I'd be worried about the extra length relative to an Enzo. You prefer the MC-12 because it's
open roof. Isn't it longer? Oh yeah, it's considerably longer and wider, but what's the
reason for your preference? Oh, I think the MC-12 looks the best out of them. Including the Mario
cart? Yeah, certainly including the Mario cart. So you're not going to go with the Mario cart?
No. MC-12. Huh. Nick? MC-12 as well. Easy. All right, new Elantra. I can't wait. There's
a manual transmission. Maybe. What's that? Maybe. Oh yeah, maybe. No, it will. It's going to be fast
and it's going to be exciting and Nick and I are really pumped for it and it'll be a turbo four
cylinder and this may not be so bad. Small cars I think in order to sell in this market need to be
more than just a car. They need to have a little bit more excitement to them and I think Hyundai
has realized that in Kia and I'm excited to see this thing around. What a big week of news.
Totally agree. I would say some Morayonic 5s around. Those are still my favorite. It's worth noting
the Toyota Corolla still sells in hundreds of thousands every year and doesn't have anything.
It has a hybrid version which it didn't use to and it gets exceptional fuel economy. I mean,
yeah, it's a little dull and the current Civic is maybe a little dull too. Such a good car though.
But also offered with a hybrid and they can get away with that in a way that no other brand can
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Except for Porsche. Okay, give us our next news. Ooh, what is this? What's happening here?
That's the Corvette. It's been facelifted a little bit. We've talked about this before.
There is a new engine in the Corvette and so now the base Corvette has increased in price to 77-ish
K or so, but the base Corvette now hits 200 miles an hour. Nick, you hear that? Previously did not.
For 77 genes? I'm being told it's actually still 73 on the base.
Sorry, sorry, 73.5 is your correct. 73.5.
While the 200 miles an hour for 73 K.
I was looking at this. 74. What do you think the second cheapest car to hit 200 miles per hour
is that's for sale right now? That's a good question. Gotta be doubled. I mean, I know the
answer, but I'm curious. Oh, Lincoln Navigator. No, a good guess though.
Filippo in a Mario Kart dressed as Bowser. What is it? Nick? I mean, 9-11?
An Italian car of sorts. 9-11 Turbo does hit 200 miles an hour. I think it's the only 9-11
variant to hit that. The Panamera Turbo S also hits it, but a Cadillac CT5V Blackwing hits
200 miles an hour and around 140 K sticker is the second cheapest. So where we cut the
price of entry 50%. How often do you think about buying a CT5V Blackwing? Often. Nick, how about you?
Same, although I know Kennan really wants one too, so I gotta let you all have that one.
You think Kennan's stick to claim to that? Yeah. Kind of like the Viper. I want a Viper too,
but Kennan's stick to claim. I'm gonna just let him have that. Kennan's been on a Viper for two
years. I think if you want it, you can probably pop on in. I think you could pop on in while he's
still considering it and still pop out and have him still be considering it. I think you'd be fine.
By the way, for $200,000 less than a 992 Turbo S, which also hits 200 miles per hour speed,
you can have 200 miles per hour in a Corvette. It's quite incredible. So yes,
a little bit of a price increase compared to last year when the MSRP was in the high 60s,
but 200 miles per hour is now a thing in base Corvette. In fact, the Z51 doesn't hit 200 and
that's too much aero and so it's a little bit slower, but the base Corvette 200 miles per hour.
You need the slippery one. The Corvette has always been the value play in this segment.
What was the first car that you remember hitting 200 miles? In your mind, it's like,
wow, here's a car hitting 200 miles per hour. When I was a kid, it was all supercars,
but didn't the Nissan GT-R do 200 also? At the moment, the current list is the
CD4, the CD5B Blackwing, the 911 Turbo S, and then everything else is in the
supercar family except for the Lucid air sapphire. My SLR, the SLR's claim to fame was that it would
easily do 200 miles per hour, but that, again, was for holy trinity level super and hypercars,
not like a 73 grand base model. The Nissan GT-R would hit 200. I have a feeling it wasn't
dramatically more expensive than the Corvette. You're talking about the Nismo versions. Maybe
they were a little low 100s or maybe 120 or something, but the GT-R was doing it too. But
it also always had the reputation of being the value performance car. At this moment,
by far the cheapest, quite impressive feat and also insane how much speed has been democratized.
Are you, now, is there anywhere you can go 200 miles an hour?
The Bonneville Salt Flats. Yes. You could not do it on public road, Nick. Do you understand that?
I know. I've never gone 200. I really want to, but finding a place where you could do that safely,
not even legally, right? We can put that one aside and just assume there are ways around it,
but safely, you would need an airstrip or something like that. I think that Texas does
those half mile or mile long drag strips. That would be interesting. I don't know how long it
takes to get to 200, by the way. I don't think that's been. I remember Stratman tried it a bunch
with his Veyron and even doing it in ideal conditions was not easy. There's too much headwind
and blah, blah, blah. It takes a lot of space. It's not easy. I own a car that was the fastest
car in the world. Briefly. Did you know that, Nick? We're very happy for you right now.
But yes, new Corvette pricing is out at 73.5 for the base model. It gets you 200 miles per hour,
a little crazy. Imagine doing top speed in that Countach.
You need a lot of space for that. What was top speed? Like 183 or something like that.
It was fast. It was fast, but you couldn't do it. You couldn't go that fast because you were scared.
It was the fastest car in the world until the 288 GTO came and unseated it.
After that, there becomes a lot of dispute as to what the fastest car in the world was
because people think it was like these roofs, but to me, that's like a modded 911.
Right. I have to imagine with the Countach at top speed, you'd be worried about the
self-tapping screws holding the wing in from giving out. I don't think you could do that
speed with the wing. I think you had to do it winglessly. I guess, yeah, all you would need
is a Phillips to remove that. You can carry Met Gaff to come and remove your wing and you're good.
That's all you gotta do. All right. What's next, Nick?
Well, last but not least, so Ian Callum, a famous British designer, one of my favorite designers
really of all time, did all the greats. He reimagined the XJ220. Now, this is just a design
study. It's not a real car, et cetera, but I called this out because I just think it's an
interesting what if, right? Honestly, I don't think the side profile is the best view, but
it's a pretty gorgeous car. You gotta wonder, Jaguar, when they decided to reboot the brand,
they could have gone any number of directions. This would have been an interesting one to me,
which is kind of what Aston's doing of the ultra high-end limited production Halo cars
like the Valkyrie and all of those cars. If Jaguar had done that, this is maybe what
that would have looked like, and I think it's pretty cool. You know what Ian Callum designed?
Escort Cosworth. Not his most well-known design, but sure.
That's a great car. That thing does look cool, Nick. Is Ian Callum out of work now? Is that the
situation? He has his own design studio, and you have to wonder also, which may be teasing a future
update, but instead of hiring Apple designers for your cars, maybe Ian Callum's design studio would
be a good place to give a call. Maybe that's why he did this, is just to get his name out there
saying, hey, I'm designing cars. No one asked me to do this one, but doesn't it look nice?
And hey, if you are in the market for a new designer, Holler.
Yeah, that loot shape, boy, it really hasn't grown on me. In fact, it's grown worse.
Speaking of the next news.
That Instagram email exchange between Ferrari and that guy where they were trying to sell the car,
his response was how we all feel, and it wasn't that interesting, but I think that
the interesting part was the, it was enlightening to see how they were trying to sell a select
group of people. I also, it's funny, Ferrari has announced that it's sold out in China,
but when you looked, when you, did you just do this Flipper? Did you look closely at this
news story? Do you know what it means? I don't, I don't want to mention it is sold out in China.
It was 88 units for a billion. Not only that, but when someone fact checked it,
the dealers all replied, we're still accepting orders. We have not sold out. So they've sold,
they've sort of had 88 people, much like any new EV comes out and people pre-order them,
like that doesn't really, I mean, there was a deposit. It is allegedly non-refundable.
I'm sure 88 people could say fine. I mean, China is a huge country, but like,
they will sell 88. They'll sell 88 in a country of a billion people. So in the United States,
that would be the equivalent of them selling like 19 cars or 22 cars.
There's still some, obviously it's still Ferrari model. It's a, well, and they will sell people
to people who want to play the allocation game. They've claimed they're not doing,
Ferrari and SPR has been very adamant that they are not, we obviously all know that they are
doing this, but they've been adamant that they are not requiring the purchase to then buy any
other cars. But by the way, I think Ferrari PR would say about every Ferrari, that's all a good
dealership. The hard part of that is like, at this point, you actually have to really run the numbers.
Like if you're doing this just to get an SP4, like you're going to lose half a million bucks on
this car. And so are you going to make- If you already lost half a million on SF90, that's another.
Well, that's true, but are you going to make a half a million on an SP4? Maybe. The SP3's made
a ton, but like you got to be, it's a dice roll. And with Luce, it's not like that's the only one
you're getting. Yeah, you also had to buy an SF90, which you also lost a half a million. So you're
dropping like millions of dollars to try to make millions of dollars, or you could just
toss it all in Bitcoin. Am I right, Nick? I mean, at least with the SF90, it's an enjoyable driving
experience. Like this, I had no one's driven it or very few people have driven it. Who knows,
but it can't be that great. I mean, it should have like most other EVs with some improvements.
So whereas as the SF90, like we baddened out that a lot on this pod, but like it's still
a really fun car. Like the problem was more the price point and some of the other things and the
F8 and 296 sort of being too close of competitors internally, but the Luce doesn't have any of the,
like I'm, if I were going to lose half a million dollars, I'd rather lose it on a sports car.
Here's a question. Nick, here's a real question for you,
the general question. Would you rather have a Ravuelto or a Ravuelto and a Luce?
You almost got to wonder at this point that the Luce becomes rare. It's like a La Forza.
Like so few people buy it, then it becomes this like weird quirky artifact where like everyone's
remember when Ferrari made this massive public mistake and like it just sort of becomes like
this fun and like odd conversation starter. Yeah. I think they will sell them though,
because I think that they will have people who want the allocation thing. If Ferrari called me
and said, hey, you get a Luce, if you buy a Luce, you'll get an SP3, I would do it.
And that's how they're going to sell them. It's the only way they can sell 100%. It's the only
way they're going to be able to sell them. I've never understood why not just charge more for an
SP3. Like instead of making people waste their money, just spend an extra 600k to buy the SP3.
No, no, it benefits them in two ways. Number one, they sell the lesser cars. So that gets
them to sell the world. But don't even bother with the lesser cars. Save all the R&D money and
just charge more for the halo car. But it also benefits them because they get to the brand
mystique. There's this proof like, oh, if you buy a Ferrari, you're going to make a million bucks.
And so not only do they sell the cheaper cars, but they also continue to tout the success of
the brand by limiting the production of the halo cars. And then they go up in value and people
are still talking about how Ferraris are great investments. It's honestly a great strategy
until it isn't. And this little, this heinous thing, this trash heap that they're going to try to
foist on people is when the party stops. They just took it too far of like, hey, we're building
kind of throwaway cars, not throwaway cars, but we're building cars. No, it's a throwaway car.
This one is. So yeah, I don't know. I think it'd be cool if Ferrari developed their own cars and
beds and just said, for all the special ones, we're going to make you bid against each other,
let the market decide what it's worth. And we're not going to make you buy all these cars you don't
want. Just like give us $20 million for this car. If they did that, a lot of the sales for the cheap
stuff would dry up. And no one would feel like they're in this like special world where Ferrari
shows me and then they, and then I gained value. And this is amazing that I'm part of this.
Well, it would be a sealed private auction that you only invite certain people to.
And I think killing off the sort of entry level, the California's and the Portofino's,
I don't know, maybe it would be like what Aston's doing, like you'd only have the really special
cars. Yeah, but those cars still make money. There's a lot of people who buy those cars and
then don't buy the SP3. So it's nice to have those in the lineup. But then it's also nice to
voice the SP3 buyers, those cars on the SP3 buyers. Filippo, Rivalto or Rivalto and Luce?
Oh, I'll take just the Luce, I'll be honest. Give it that Rivalto. I don't want to Luce for 650,
but I kind of want it otherwise. I will say, just a couple of responses. Ferrari,
you do not need to build your own auction site. Come to us where we're here. We'll-
You can white label it. We'll help. We saw a lot of other Ferraris, including Scuderia,
just a couple of weeks ago. Secondly, I have heard from some rumors that Luchas are hitting
press fleets. And so Doug, I'm sure that you're at the top of their list to get a drive and really
see what it's all about. Yeah, no, it will actually be interesting how they figure out how to drop
this in the press fleets because everybody's going to badmouth it. And you know the ones who
don't badmouth that are just liars. And I can name some of those people, but I'm not going to.
I know exactly who's going to say nice things. I know exactly who's going to say nice things.
But that's fine. They can do that. And they can participate in the whole charade. And I'm okay
with that. And the initial press junket, remember, not only did they tightly control what you said,
they watched you, they only let you film on their cameras. They were really, really careful about
it. And my second conspiracy theory for today, the Ferrari CMO has stepped down. Now the public
relations team makes it sound like it was his choice. Who knows? You know, often when executives
step down to spend time with their family, it isn't always that direction that they say publicly.
However, if I were them, and I were seeing the comments on my Instagram right now, if you go
to the Ferrari's Instagram page, open up any post about the Luce and for whatever reason,
they insist on posting about it almost daily. And it is just the biggest dumpster fire of mean
comments you've ever seen. Nick, you do not understand the level of arrogance that this brand
has. And honestly, it's hard to understand. Well, found it. Because this has happened many times.
People said this about the California. People said this about going hybrid. People said this about
the SUV. And many other cars throughout my lifetime have been have been touted as sort of
their ruining Ferrari. They're doing this, that automatic transmissions, although that was a hit
success, actually, but even initially. But the point is, this is the brand has this incredible
level of arrogance that's like, you think we can't make X number of cars in a year? We're going to
do it and still succeed. You think we can't do shoes? We're going to do it and still succeed,
et cetera, et cetera. And they believe that they're on the right course. The CMO is stepping down,
I think, as an example of someone who's saying we need to change tactic. And they're,
they're spin on this. And you could either believe Ferrari in this, or you can say that
they're spinning it, is that they, Enrico Guardiera, who was formerly the marketing chief,
had said earlier this year that he was going to step down. They asked him to stay through the launch
of this vehicle, which is their most important vehicle launch at forever. And like, there was a
pre agreed to, I will say they did have somebody lined up in Massimiliano, D.C. Vestra, who was
formerly a BMW of Italy's, like the head of BMW in Italy, they did have somebody lined up to take
that job, which gives it some credence that indeed it was a planned out. I'll give you some
credence. The luce is trash. Marketing, it will be hell. This is the worst thing that's ever happened.
Give us our new story. It's possible that the former marketing person knew how bad it would be,
for sure. We got a doodoo. Filippo, say Urus, like you would say it.
Urus. Oh, wow, because it's not Italian word. This isn't just an Urus. This is the new
2027 Urus SE Performante. You might ask, didn't they already make a Performante Urus? Yes,
this is the SE Performante. They also made an SE. So now they're combining it all.
The SE is the base one post faceless. Yes, yes, we all know. So what's this, Nick,
is it more powerful? One could argue it's the best, most powerful Urus ever made.
One could argue it's a 20 horsepower bump in a body kit. It's an almost a horsepower bump.
It's not even 20. It's 11 horsepower increase. 11.
If you want the latest, greatest Urus and you have an early one and you want to upgrade,
this is the top dog. It does look kind of cool. They made a couple small enhancements,
but ultimately it's a trim level. It reminds me so much of the Gallardo where they started
doing the Gallardo SE, the narrow edition, blah, blah, blah. We're at the end of cycle.
Nick, what a shame that we don't have an off-road version of the Urus. Still.
I agree. There's a lot of ways that could have spiced it up other than probably the most iterative
minor bump in trim level imaginable, but it's something, it's better than going luce or
any number of other directions. So on the scale of brilliant to stupid, it's fairly benign.
It's a natural progression. I would have loved more. I would have loved more over the top,
like go with just a little bit more extreme, but it's out there. You can go buy it and the
Lambo product strategy is just playing it safe. Yep. And you know what? I bet they're pretty
damn thrilled right now that they didn't go EV and I'd have taken Urus SE performante over
whatever the hell the floor. The Lambo CMO is not planning on stepping down to spend more time with
this family anytime soon because marketing this won't be that hard. If you like the Urus, here
is 11% more. Well, it's just 11. It'd be 11 horsepower more, but yeah, you get more, which is
it's like 1% more. Surely there's no more news stories, please. Please. That'll do.
We got to move on to the talk cars segment. There's a lot to discuss the talk cars segment.
There's a lot to discuss. And I want to start with Filippo wants to talk about the event.
Cars and Bids had an event recently and boy was it an event. Filippo, tell us every thing.
This past Saturday, we were at the Lars Andersen Museum in Brookline right outside of Boston,
Massachusetts. We had 400 something cars, a couple thousand people that came to like cars and coffee
on Saturday morning. The Lars Andersen Museum really beautiful. It's like a great park and an
incredible museum that started by a very historic family. You should Google their Wikipedia when
you get a chance, especially Lars Andersen's. It's quite something, but a really, really cool
museum. They have a Kuntasher 2, a Carrera GT, a couple of Ford GTs, a bunch of really great cars,
and a lot of antique cars in the basement that's open. And the event was incredible. It was like a
lot of really, really cool cars. I got to talk to a lot of folks. So thank you if you came up
to talk to me or to producer Sean at the event. It was really, really awesome to chat
and get to meet so many of you. We're doing more and more events constantly because it's so fun
to hang out with people. And so please do comment if there's one there. Filippo, tell us what your
favorite 400 cars there at the Cars and Bids, Cars and Coffee at the Lars Andersen. Tell us
what your favorite three cars were. All right. I didn't get a chance to see as many cars as I
wanted. For example, there was a Saab 9-5 wagon with a stick that was in the lower lot that I
didn't get to go to. But there was a Spiker C8. Love the Spiker C8. There was a BMW Z1. Also love
that. And there was a 430 scooter rear with a car seat in it. The dude, the kid wears headphones,
but brings his son along in this car, which is just really quite cool. We talked to him
for a video that's going to be out in the car of the Bids channel next week.
Did anybody show up in a Vex hall of the VX220?
Sadly, no. Also, we were down at Vox hall.
Not this side of the pond, baby girl.
Regardless, no, sadly. But there were a lot of, there truly were a lot of absolutely incredible
cars there. Did anybody show up in an E31?
In an E30 wagon? E31.
In a BMW 8 Series, yes. 8 Series. How'd you google that?
No, but I thought my joke was good. So I went with it and then went with the real answer.
Let me tell you something. Me and Kenan come from a time when they didn't give different
E numbers to different body styles. But none of our fans do, because they have been doing that
since the E90. Yeah, they do it since E90. But pre that, it's E46. Every E46 is an E46.
I was aware it was an 8 Series, and there was a really nice 8 Series there, yes.
Do you ever wonder what the E47 was that didn't make it?
No, but don't you wonder in that same vein what the next 911 will be called?
994. What about 993?
It already happened. It's 994. This isn't discussable. It's true.
This would be like me saying there's an elephant behind me.
And then a 995 and then a 998. Yep.
You just skipped the prior ones? Yes. I'm not supportive of this.
Well, I don't care if you're supportive or not. It's all stupid anyway. The whole thing is stupid.
The whole brand is off the rails making these big electric things. What do you do after 999?
Well, Nick, that's like 25 years now. It's going to be the next CMO's problem,
and he's probably going to be the fellow that they pushed out at Ferrari.
Yeah.
By the time 999 happens, there won't be Porsche anymore. We're going to be flying cars and
futuristic cities with tubes that go everywhere. Those exist.
They're called subways. Have you thought about a Vexol VX 220 for yourself, Alipa?
Yeah. They're cool as hell. Nick, you know this car?
Nope. Can he pull up stuff or not? Yeah. I will try.
This car is so cool. That looks like a Sean car.
I know. He's blocking most of what makes the car look good. It's also heavily modified.
This is a Nick special. So, Alipa went to the car show and it was a fantastic experience.
Nick, how come you weren't there at the event? I am not invited to the events. I don't know if
we can't edit Nick live. When Nick is in content or on the podcast, we can edit what he says.
Live? That's questionable. That's a good point. That's why Nick doesn't come.
Now, after this event, I want to tell everybody, after this event,
Filippo and several other members of our team, they're not our employees. They're team members.
They went to some sort of team gathering in the woods. That happened before and it was delightful.
Oh, it happened before. They all dug holes and such.
It's a little known fact, but we actually do put a lot of work into running cars and bids and the
YouTube channels that we have as a business. Sometimes it's nice to have a little bit of
business-focused time. Oh, what did you focus on? What are some cars and bids? What do we got
coming on cars and bids? People get to wait and see. You're not going to tell us future information.
Nick, aren't you dying to know? I'm going to say you're going to start selling watches.
No. We're good. I'm thinking of throwing that out there. No. We're quite focused on being car
enthusiasts, enthusiasts of cars. Can I talk about something different?
Yeah, but before we talk about something different, I want to talk about Nick has a
couple of big things to talk about. Wait, I do too. One of which is last week,
he was here and he told us here two weeks ago, he told us he was going to buy an Audi TTRS that
was listed on the site. Nick, I assume you weren't all talk and you actually followed through with
that. Tell us how it went. We don't have a TTRS. My friend Ted was looking at buying one. The bidding
was to cars and bids credit strong. Frankly, the number we kind of decided upfront that we
were willing to pay up to, it exceeded. The new owner, I'm told the sale went through. I talked to
the seller as well. He seems to be happy with it. That's off to another home. My friend Ted did buy
a different TTRS. He bought a heritage edition. It's like dark red with this cool peanut butter
interior. I'm still hoping to get together with Ted and check it out, drive it, and see what a DSG
TTRS is like. We did that on the site. Don't you think that'll be probably better for you,
given your... Yeah, you can. Money shift it. Filippo, couple things. First off, a heritage
edition TTRS. Filippo has gold wheels and it's a two-row. Thank you. Thank you, John. Finish the
joke for everybody else, please. Nick, question for you though. It sold for 53,000 United States.
What was your number? Was it 36? It was higher than that, but the hope was to get it for a good
deal because for my friend who lives in Chicago, you'd have to ship it and then he wanted a stock
one. So the idea was you take off them. He wasn't willing to pay a premium for the mods.
He was hoping I would remove the mods. There was a lot of extra work involved, so it didn't make
sense. What happened while I was gone? This podcast, just this. This was one of the topics,
and it was so clear even then that it wasn't going to happen, but I let Nick go on about it
because I snuck in an enormous amount of money shifted at TTRS jokes. Nick, speaking of mods,
I hear that you've made a big change. I hear that you're a full-fledged Californian.
I have nine Z plates. So for those who follow California, it's like an alphabetical sequence.
So it's a 2006 that looks like it was bought yesterday because the Range Rover has nine X
or Y. I can't remember, but the license plate sequences in my driveway look like I've, I don't
know, stumbled upon money very recently. You can't have a driveway with a nine X and a nine Z and a
nine Y. I know. I got to figure that out pretty soon here. Nick, it is interesting because usually
in my experience, what you do is you buy a kind of a rough example of a car that does not pass
smog. You work on it until it does, then you title in California. The fact that you've got all
these cars title in California suggests to me that you've had a bunch of cars for a while.
Are you planning to make a move here? We're all ready. That is the real epiphany. So I was in
Wyoming for a week. I drove my dad's F-250 around. I passed 100,000 miles in Yellowstone Park.
F-250 men, you and I. Yeah. I enjoyed that. But then he has a 67 Mustang and I drove that and I just,
I loved it. And then I got home and my driveway has three SUVs across it. Inside the garage is a
wagon, then a sports car. And then parked offsite is another hatchback. And so I have six cars,
five of which are family cars that have four doors. And it's like, why, I want to involve
my family in the car hobby. I want my kids to be involved. So I understand why I kept adding
family friendly fun cars. But now I'm in a point where I have five out of my six cars are basically
family cars. Like, what am I doing? So you did this to yourself. Everyone told you not to buy a
P-38. That was insane. Yeah. No one asked you to do that. I didn't buy it. It was free. I just gift
the fence. Well, yeah, but you're in it now for more than a word of positive.
Right. We all did ask him to buy that convertible Range Rover. We're all supportive of that. If it
was me and I was Nick, I would have a convertible Range Rover and some sort of manual sports car.
That's what I would have. I definitely want to reduce the number of cars because six is just a
lot to like maintain and drive around. And then I want to add another sports car. So whether that
is the 67 Mustang, which my dad effectively told me, like, you can borrow it for a while if you
want to drive it and get it serviced up or I find another old like vintage car. But I want,
I want more experiences and like, I don't need when I'm taking my kids somewhere to be like,
which of the five cars with car seats do you want to take? I can really narrow that down. So I think
we're going to get rid of the Cayenne. We're going to get rid of the Focus. I'll probably get rid of
the P-38. We'll keep the Range Rover convertible. I'm going to keep the E 55 for a while longer,
but I'm on the fence a little bit about that only because again, I don't need so many family cars.
But the other thing I realized with the P-38 is I'm a poser. I have like, it's off-road as like,
oh, I need an off-road vehicle. I've never gone off-roading in it. I've tried once or twice and
I've never, like it's like having a track car and never going to the track. We all agree that that
is how I would describe you to you. Yeah. Yeah. E 55, I power slid onto the on-ramp yesterday.
Like at the very least, like if I have the kids, like I can enjoy that and kind of like
drive it to its limits versus like an off-road vehicle. It's not like I'm going to off-road
just like randomly on the way to a client dinner. Can I make a suggest, a dead serious suggestion to
you that I want you to think about legitimately? And talk about with Filippo and talk about with
the others. You want to be at Quail. You want to have a really important special car. You want a
vintage. You got some cash there in these cars. If you sold all your cars short of that convertible
Range Rover, you could buy a Ferrari Daytona. Oh, interesting. It's like a better looking
SLR first of all. It is. And you don't have to worry about changing an airbag with the battery
cell attached and therefore it's a better looking SLR. It gives you the vintage vibes of the Mustang
and it would get rid of all of your bizarre menagerie of cars that are weird and you have a
Ferrari Daytona. I had not considered that path. I'm not sure I will consider that, but it's interesting.
Funny enough, in the market reports, we'll talk about next that Diablo on the site was another
moment where I'm like, oh, that is the perfect car for me. $125,000 of service at George Evans
has the 6.0 and GT bodywork. There's so many cool cars out there that, again, should I consolidate
and I have six cool cars, but not like amazing cars and have fewer cars, but more special ones
and more sports car oriented experiences. So I'm going through a lot of thoughts.
There may be the Nick Roshan collection coming to cars in bed soon and I sell them all at the
same time. I found that all to be very interesting though. I strongly believe you should consider
a Daytona. Let's move on to the market report because we got to do questions. The market report,
of course, is brought to you by Filippo. Filippo, he's in a large room with a lot of drywall
and nothing on the walls. Filippo, I'll give you one because we got to move on to questions.
I'll give you one. What do you want? Earlier this week, we sold a Ferrari 330 P4 Recreation
by Nordic AutoCraft. This is a replica and I think for a long time when I've thought replica,
I have thought Kuntas built on a Pontiac Fiero or F50 built on a Pontiac Fiero or Diablo built
on a Pontiac Fiero. That's common one, but yes. You get the point. They're not all that. We sold
the Ferrari 330 P4 for $600,000. It was like incredible last hour of bidding because it's
incredibly desirable. Now, like, Nordic AutoCraft does real work on Ferraris there, the shop you've
bought a recreation from. They do really, really solid work. It has a 5.5 liter V12 from a Ferrari,
from 455 into this case. It's got a G50 5-seat manual. It's cool and it's real components,
but $600,000 for a replica is not what you first think of, but maybe it should be because there's
some really high class ones. This replica Ferrari market has become interesting because there's
like two P4s and they're $20 million and they haven't come up for sale for 25 years. You can't
get one, right? No matter how rich you are, you can't really get one. This is happening. There's
other companies who do this too, Norwood is famous for it, but there's other companies that do it.
She's an engineering. They're making incredibly high quality replicas, basically indistinguishable
from actual Ferraris. In this case, Powertrain from a 456 is fuel injected. You could distinguish it,
but you still get all the good stuff that you want. Even some of the really rich people who
have some of the $20 million Ferraris are pursuing and purchasing these high quality replicas
because it lets them actually be able to use the Ferrari that is otherwise just an investment in
their garage. It's interesting. I think it's a pretty cool way to spend $600,000. I think this
is a real car enthusiast way to spend $600,000 as opposed to a poser way. $600,000 is a lot of money
for something that doesn't have provenance, but it is an incredible driving experience,
and that's exactly what you're getting in this car. You'll never be able to tell people,
oh, it's a Ferrari. You'll never be able to get those auction results, whatever, but we will
probably have a more exciting experience than basically anybody else who spent $600,000 on any
car in existence. I think that that's a cool thing with these Ferrari replicas. I really do.
100% agree. It's so cool. I have the real money.
Like I had mentioned before, that Diablo that was for sale at the same time,
similar vibe in that a 91 Diablo with the miles that it had is probably a 200s car,
maybe 300. This one was not only serviced to the nines, but it had been a bit of a recreation
to look like a Diablo GT, which is a multimillion-dollar car, or at least well into the million.
385 for this car is strong if you just thought of it as a 91, a very early Diablo of a 16,500
miles. When you add into the fact that it had documented service of 125 grand and OE recreation,
or not recreation, OE parts from the Diablo 6.0 and the headlights, the GT, it has the SV wheels,
like it's a bit of a hodgepodge, but I think again, as a driver, this is one where you're,
okay, as a driver, I can say it's a 91 Diablo and drive it hard, but then I get the look in theater
of a late-model seven-figure car, very similar, and apparently the market didn't mind. They didn't
value this as a 91 Diablo. They valued it somewhere in between. No, I mean, I think it's pretty clear
that it's, especially with the recent servicing, and yeah, the look is amazing. I mean, it really
does look like a GT. It's pretty cool. I think those are both pretty cool results for cars that
may not make the purists happy, and thus may not be as great of an investment as buying a
perfect numbers-matching car, but the benefit is you get an amazing, amazing driving experience.
It's a cool thing to do as an actual enthusiast, for sure. 100%. We got to move on to the questions,
which today are brought to you by Nick Roshan. Nick, thank you so much for wearing that shirt
on the podcast today and dressing up for us. All right, a lot of great questions today,
including several for Nick. Starting with from Mr. Magoober,
dear Nick, can we please, dear group, can we please try to convince Nick to buy a V10 Ford
Excursion? It would allow Nick to fit into the V10 Club, and it has three rows sitting like he
wants. Nick, take us through. You're just talking about driving the Super Duty. You're talking about
driving a Ford. You seem like a Ford guy. A couple of us want V10s. I got a V10. You obviously follow.
What are you thinking on the Excursion front? There are a lot of interesting paths into the
V10 Club that doesn't involve buying a fast car. I would probably be more like the S6,
S8 crowd, or even an E60M5. However, the problem with the Excursion would be
the three-row cars for my wife. I cannot in a million years imagine my wife
moving around an Excursion through town. At least it's not diesel. That would be slightly easier
sell, but that is a lot of car and not a lot of amenities inside. I do think they're really cool,
and as much as everyone loves the seven-three Excursions, they're double the price, if not
more than a V10. You got to wonder at some point it becomes interesting, but that is not the top
of my list for a three-row SUV. Too bad because how cool. There are also companies that do
conversions of an F-250 to an Excursion. I haven't seen a new F-250 conversion, but somebody must do
them. You've sold some on the side. Excursionated would be great for you.
It's a lot of car. Remember, I got a really tiny driveway, so we'd be sticking out into the road.
It would become a problem. I want to find the smallest three-row SUV I can find while still
being minimally functional. I got you if you want. Kia Rondo. It never did a three-row in the States.
You can get them outside of the straight, say so.
They did. I thought we confirmed they did. Install the three-row yourself.
Next question here from a quasi-bred, your Doug. Do you think you'll ever find another car you'll
keep long-term? It feels like recently you've been losing interest in your cars within a year or so,
like the RS2. I own the RS2 for three years. Internet time is so different from real time.
People say this to me all the time. You're already selling it. It's three years.
What do you want from me? That's an enormous amount of time. It's like an elite's.
I would wager the AMK4 Super. We'll share the same fate. Do you see yourself buying another car
that will be in mainstay in your fleet, like the 4GT, Carrera GT, or Countach? No, I don't.
That's probably never going to happen again. Car prices are too expensive. All the stuff I
really think is amazing is too expensive. I'm not going to put any more money into a car,
into cars right now. I already have way too much of my net worth in cars, which was not intended.
The cars have all gone way up in value since I bought them. I didn't really try to do that.
I definitely would not have bought these cars today, given today's financial situation,
but it's sort of what's happened. You have kept buying cars.
Yeah, but his point is I've kept buying revolving cars.
The Kia Rondo did have a third row in the U.S.
Nick, you agree with this? I totally agree. I'm in the same boat where it's like, okay,
there's a functional cap on how many cars you can own at the same time. If we only are going to
live to 100 years old conservatively, you have a finite number of years, a finite number of cars
you can own within those years. You got to keep moving them through. Six to 12 months is a good
amount of time to get to learn a car. Frankly, I've sort of wondered that with the SLR. The
mercy I kept for three years, but the SLR might be like a one-year car, not because I don't love
the car, but I just want to keep cycling. There's a lot of cars I've never owned. I've never
experienced like a V10 excursion. Probably neither of those two, but at some point,
I will say I won a new experience. It's been a good run. I put the miles on.
I think also the other thing is you and I both put a decent amount of miles on these cars.
At some point, like your 4GT idea, you sell the car before the miles get prohibitive to
make it hard to sell. You've got to get out. At some point, you've got to get out and lower the
odometer down and do the same thing. If you keep doing it, if you just keep driving it,
eventually the concept of owning it for a couple of years and getting out for not much money,
you'll get screwed. You'll have put too many miles on the car and you won't be able to get out.
I sold my mercy at $19,900 in some miles. I agree it's stupid and really functionally,
there's no difference between that and $20,000, but psychologically, some people set caps on how
many miles they're willing to look at. That also comes to a factor where you're just like,
all right, it's time to get out before I go to the next milestone on the odometer and people
start to look at it differently, even if that's the wrong mentality. Or before whatever might break
or whatever needed that service at $20,000. There's that too. Nick, you're in the garage
here with my Supra. What do you think of it? I didn't get a chance to look at it very closely.
The red is beautiful. I really like it. It glows. It looks like a really clean, nice car.
I don't know if someone's wiped it down or just arrived that nice, but I love the Mark 4. In terms
of its looks, I feel like you unfairly set us up in previous podcast to explain that we were
disappointed and you got it. I'm stoked that you got in it. I think they're crazy money,
like someone actually, because I continue to for whatever reason be your back door where people
will send me cars and say, send this to Doug. So someone else sent me one and I'm like, oh,
that looks cool. How much do you want? And they were like 155 and it's like, gosh, that is a lot
of money for a 90s Toyota product. However, it's so special. It's so cool. As someone just obsessed
with the Fast and the Furious and wears my Fast and the Furious shorts every night to bed,
I'm pumped for you. It is cool. I do wish you would mod it, but you see it in person and it is
stunning. It does grab your attention. It punches way above the weight of what I would expect.
Flippo, have you seen this thing yet? I saw it briefly. It spends zero time looking at it,
I'll be honest. All right. Next question. I appreciate that, Nick. I think the rest of the
group doesn't care. I am incredibly excited for it. Good. Much more than I was for my 993 Twin
Turbo. This is a good question from Jordan. Dear team, if you actually lived in a traffic
city, New York, Atlanta, DC, et cetera, you had to commute with a car, what would you be your
perfect daily traffic sitting commuter? Nick, what if you still had to drive downtown? What would
you do? I would probably get a PHEV. I don't know which. Something, honestly, even like a
Rivian, something to that effect, like the R2 would be interesting.
They get an efficient by EV centers. I like it. Yeah. If I wanted to go crazy,
people, when they talk about EV efficiency, it annoys me so much. Again, you get a cheap lease
for like 300 bucks a month, whatever. The Ioniq 5, for instance, kind of looks cool,
contrarian daily commuter. The other car I'm really into is I really want a second gen SVT
Lightning. That could be a really fun daily for 20 grand or what have you. It wouldn't get great
gas mileage, but how fun would that be to daily? You'd sit in bumper to bumper every single day
on that, be reasonable. Well, we would just, I'd leave before the traffic got real bad.
I'm an early bird anyways. But what would you daily, Nick's given us nothing. He said a plug
in hybrid that he named three electric cars and a Ford Lightning gas. I don't know. I think that
I would really struggle to buy something that's not a, at least a hybrid. If you're going
bumper to bumper traffic, you're stopping going. You may as well use a battery and electric power
to massively decrease your fuel costs. It depends then on what the rest of the drive is,
all my other requirements. It's really like, do I need to be able to carry my family? Do I need
to be able, this is just for me to commute in. Do I have somewhere to charge? Do I have somewhere
to charge at work? There's a lot of factors. I do think a lot of EVs are actually really great
options for this. Even, and maybe especially in the Northeast or somewhere where there's snow,
because there are real, yes range goes down in the winter, but there are all wheel drive and can be
really good fits for that. I will say, if I wanted gas, I actually think that my GTI is a really,
really strong commuter car that's a little bit more fun. Yes, it's a manual, but I've never
found that. Do you still have the GTI? Doesn't matter. Yes, it's a manual. I've never found that to be
that challenging. It's pretty light clutch, easy to drive, and has all the tech things
while being comfortable. If you want to gas, something like your GTI is a good car.
Nick, you agree he's the laziest person you know, right?
I can neither confirm nor deny that, but it is interesting that he's saying my GTI.
No joke, I think he's one of the laziest people I've ever met, like the least action-oriented
people I've ever met. He's buying and selling, he's making moves. I don't agree with that.
The answer is an E-class all-terrain. Sean just texted me and said it should be an I8.
It should not be, and here's why Sean. Yes, it's a hybrid, but the visibility is bad.
And it's uncomfortable and low, but Filippo, Sean is a BMW man now.
He doesn't understand. Sean's BMW man now, so he's over here. He loved my E31 question.
He's like, oh yeah, oh yeah. No, he's a modern BMW guy. He doesn't know any of this.
I'm surprised Sean famously had a Cayman that he put like 157,000 miles and commuted
in LA traffic on a regular basis. You can get those for like 20. That would actually
be a really interesting commuter if you don't have snow. Also, I think a Panamera, an early
Panamera, you can get super cheap, super comfortable EV of the Razor. An EQS would be an incredibly
comfortable option. Speaking of Sean, by the way, Sean's bad-colored G-Wagon is for sale.
It's currently live on the site of cars and bids and you can bid on it and buy it and wrap it,
presumably. And Nick, are you thinking about going anywhere with this G-Wagon? Sean's G,
you think about stepping off, throwing a bid? He loaned it to me once. I took it to the dermatologist.
It was great. I felt very fancy. Did people think you were the dermatologist?
People thought he was an off-road king. I think I was the only one there not getting a
Botox or Liposuction type thing. I did enjoy how it drove. It's when Sean's is like the
facelift version, I guess, and people pay a premium for, I want to say, 13 to 15s.
Inside it is way nicer than I thought. Having driven a lot of G-55s and the earlier ones,
they did iterate to make the interior a much nicer place to be where I didn't feel like
I was making a big sacrifice driving like an old behemoth. It felt nice in there. So,
I don't know what that premium is worth to me personally, but I do see why they are worth more
the later models versus the earlier G-Wagons. That's true. I wish Sean the best in selling it.
I wish Philippe the best in being more action-oriented. I wish Nick the best in leading
the kid parade on the fourth tomorrow. Thank you, everyone, for watching our beautiful,
beautiful podcast. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts for us today?
I was going to shout out Sean's G-Wagon, so I got nothing for you once again.
Happy 250th birthday, America. Happy birthday to America, a country that made me, gave me my 4GT
and many other cars that I own, but none of you do because you are Eurotrash snobs. Goodbye,
everyone. Thank you so much for watching our beautiful podcast.
Good about most of our audience that where our most popular makes are German.
About this episode
Doug DeMuro, Filippo, and Nick dive into the controversial redesign of the 2027 BMW X5, debating its polarizing styling, massive weight gain, and the tragic loss of the iconic split tailgate. The trio also tackles Porsche's new simulated "E-Shift" technology in the Taycan, questioning whether fake gear shifts in EVs are a genuine enthusiast feature or just a temporary gimmick. Finally, they celebrate the Fourth of July by debating what truly makes a car "American," comparing the legendary Corvette to US-built trucks like the Toyota Tundra.
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00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:15 The New BMW X5
00:07:08 Porsche's New E-Shift
00:14:49 Polestar Is Banned From US Sales
00:22:49 The New Hyundai Elantra
00:29:14 Base Corvettes Hit 200mph
00:34:46 Ian Callum XJ220
00:36:24 Ferrari Luce Sells Out In China
00:45:05 Lamborghini Urus SE Performante
00:47:18 Talk Cars!
00:47:36 Larz Andersron Meet
00:52:51 Nick's Audi TTRS
00:54:39 Nick's California Registration
00:59:42 Market Report
01:00:04 Ferrari 330 P4 Replica
01:02:25 1991 Lamborghini Diablo
01:04:00 Community Questions
01:04:21 WIll Nick Buy A V10 Excursion?
01:06:24 Will Doug Have Another Car To Keep Long Term?
01:10:44 What Would Be Your Ideal Daily In Traffic?
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