The New Kids on the Block (who will graduate)

You're smiling.

I'm just waiting.

I'm on patiently.

I'm on standby.

You've been thinking about this.

I heard standby and then, you know, I'm just like, I'm ready.

I'm at parade rest.

I'm ready.

I'm putting that in the edit.

Go for it.

Good evening, Bill.

Good evening, Stanley.

Hello, listeners.

Welcome back.

It's another episode of the BS Car Guys podcast.

Tonight, we're talking new kids on the block.

No, I'm not referencing the 1980s, although lately, lately our house has been binge-watching

a fantastic show from the 1980s and 90s called Family Matters.

And our daughter has been introduced to all that is Steve Urkel.

That is amazing, amazing, amazing Steve Urkel, Jaleel White, fan favorite, crazy.

As much as I watch TV and stuff in movies and things now, we, I didn't really watch that

show, I didn't watch that show religiously like some friends ours, mainly because

I had no control of the TV.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, we were, we were big, we were big on the TGIF lineup and I loved watching

all those shows, Perfect Strangers, you know, little known fact Harriet Winslow from Family

Matters was the first character because she was the elevator attendant on Perfect

Strangers, and that spun off the show Family Matters.

But, you know, as a kid, obviously, I didn't pick up on that.

But as a kid, I really identified with Urkel.

I thought he was the best.

He was a dork.

He was always struggling to get his point across and be seen and heard for who he was.

And so as a kid, you identify with that when you're a kid and you're

kind of dorky and you're into dorky stuff, you know, but now as an adult and a dad.

My goodness, that Carl Winslow, I feel his pain.

Like every episode, I'm like, this is he, this is my spirit animal.

I turned out I grew up to be a disgruntled cop named Carl Winslow.

Like I identify with him very strongly, more so than I ever identified with Steve Urkel.

That's, that's how the, that's how the, well, somebody distracted me.

I apologize.

That's how it goes, man.

You know, we grow up and we start identifying with different

characters and TV shows, but you just did a thing.

Obviously, I like podcasts.

I listen to podcasts often.

I don't know if you're familiar with this podcast, but I was listening to

the days that you saw McCulloch podcast.

It is a faith based podcast and kind of like us.

There's a black guy and there's a white guy that's on the podcast.

It's just, you know, he saw McCulloch.

I guess it's that his name is on the marquee.

So, but listen, this is I hate to interrupt you because I want you to tell this.

It is rare.

I've known you for a long time and it is rare for me to not catch

something and hear what you're saying.

So I know our listeners did not understand what you just said.

Tell us the name of this podcast again, but, but in a manner

in which they can understand and I can understand.

First of all, we are like five minutes in.

You can, you don't have to pick at me quite yet.

Actually, you do because that's what we do.

And I was distracted by my wife who was bringing my phone in

and I was trying to figure out what was going on.

But anyway, back to what I was saying, the Esau McCulloch McCulloch podcast.

It is a faith based podcast.

Esau McCulloch.

Esau, got it, got it, got it.

Yeah, it sounds like a one word and it was such a long one word

that I was like, I don't know that I can write this down and remember it.

Esau McCulloch.

McCully, McCully, like McCully Culkin.

I'm guessing that's how you spell it.

I don't know how you spell it.

Okay.

Anyway, Esau McCulloch.

Faith based, faith based podcast in the Holy Post podcast network.

There's a black guy, there's a white guy and they pick at each other.

Not at the same rate we pick at each other, but they pick at each other all the time.

And they had a thing that happened on that podcast that I was listening to.

And I'm going to challenge you off the cuff, off the cuff.

What, what the exception of family matters?

What is your favorite blacks that come from back in the day?

Hmm.

Comedy or drama?

It's your choice.

Martin or I never really like hanging with Mr. Cooper.

But for drama, it would definitely be NYPD undercover.

Or NY undercover, whatever.

New York undercover.

Wow, that deep dive.

Now, what was your, I know the answer to this.

What was your favorite white sitcom back in the day?

I know the answer to this.

Boy, I'd have to pick an age range.

Probably tour of duty or hard castle in McCormick.

I did not know that.

You just, you didn't say the thing that I knew you were going to say,

because you know, I was going to say it, because I know a dude that had

the biggest crush in the world on Topanga.

I mean, who didn't have a crush on Topanga, but we didn't have that cable life.

So I only saw Boy Meets World on occasion.

Wow.

That was a special treat.

The reason why I asked that, which actually doesn't kind of pertain to you.

It could include you.

There's a lot of people.

I guess there's a lot of people that are do not share my

complexion that what are very unfamiliar with black sitcoms.

However, everybody knew the mainstream sitcoms.

I guess that's the best way to say it.

So he challenges his podcast mate to this all the time.

I mean, you know, given a little more time to reflect on it,

I watched a lot of Fresh Prince, but I don't think like a lot of times as a kid,

especially as a like an only child, basically for a large part of my life.

A lot of television I watched really was kind of education, sadly enough

for what the real world was like.

And obviously it's a very skewed example of the real world.

But but I probably learned more about social norms and, you know,

conversational cues and how to be in a room with people and be witty

and funny from watching shows like Martin than I would have from watching shows

like Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because it's just so far fetched.

I mean, not that Martin wouldn't, right?

But there was just something more about an adult level humor in Martin

that I was like, I kind of want to hear this and hang on to this.

And, you know, figure out a way to work it into my life versus like I

wasn't going to learn to do the Carlton so I could be cool at a dance.

Right. So no, you shouldn't have did that.

Not at all. I didn't do that either.

Surprisingly, for me,

so I was asked this question recently, a very similar question recently

because we were talking about something and a men's group.

And it was like, you didn't watch the Cosby show growing up.

We know Cosby got issues now, but the Cosby show was a really,

really, really big thing back in the day.

If you were there, you know, right?

And my point of my stance, I was like, yeah, we watched the Cosby show

because I think that was required watching for all black people in America

at that time and at least three quarters of all the white people in America

at the time because the show was so popular.

But at the same time, I always looked at it was fake.

It was it was very kind of like Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

It was like a I don't know the right way to say this,

especially being a white guy, saying it, but both Fresh Prince and Cosby

felt to me like such a

exaggeration, an exaggeration and a polar opposite

of the of the African American people that I did know.

It was like these are black people being told

they have to act like white people on a TV show.

And there was something unnatural feeling about it to me.

But now I will say there must have been something about the time

a day Cosby came on, and I couldn't tell you what time that was.

But I felt like I feel like I didn't watch a lot of the Cosby show.

But I watched enough that when I got

was like eighth grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, somewhere in that

like 93, 94, the first time

I watched a Saturday Night Live and saw Adam Sandler.

I said, that's that funny white dude that I like from the Cosby show.

Because because he was really funny on the Cosby show.

And he was about the only white dude on the Cosby show

that had a reoccurring role at school.

And so I immediately was like, that's my guy.

Like I identify with him because I'm white and he's white.

And, you know, he's funny.

I want to be funny.

And so I had held on to who he was on that show.

So then to see him on Saturday Night Live, I was like, that's my dude from Cosby's.

I I completely forgot he was on that show.

I bet he was in 10, 12, 14.

I'd have to IMDB, but I think he was in a dozen episodes.

Yeah, so growing up for me at that time, it was

we got mostly we got pieces of the show because we had to be in the bed at nine o'clock.

My grandmother was strict that way at nine o'clock every light in the house turns off.

But what I can remember about my bedtime.

I couldn't tell you what time I went to bed, but I could I could go back in time

and and like Detective Bill figure it out because I know that I went to bed

at the exact same time unsolved mysteries came on.

And I'd have to lay I'd have to lay down in my bed

and be trying to go to sleep and hear that stinking music

and be like terrified out of my mind like, why, why, why is this my life?

Nine o'clock, it was nine o'clock.

I think I'm pretty sure it was nine o'clock.

And the reason I know that is because eventually we got a TV upstairs

in the room and we were routine to get in trouble for having a TV.

That's not a clock.

Hey, listen, I know we're going to talk about some car stuff.

Before we get into the topic of tonight's episode, new kids on the block.

I started us down this wrong rabbit trail by talking about stuff from the 80s.

But let's talk about some car news that is also entertainment related news.

Have you heard the show ever?

Do what?

Oh, not right.

It was best TV show ever.

Next was it?

Was it though?

Was it the best?

I don't know if it was the best.

I mean, from a car stunt, from a car stunt content.

That was a good theme song from a car stunt content.

Fall guys, probably better.

I'm just saying.

So all right.

All right.

I know it's a truck and not a car.

I get it.

So so let's talk about car movies.

You know, we've had this conversation on here before about what's your favorite

car movie and we're going to have a new favorite.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out there and say we will have a new favorite

and it will have to get its whole episode to discuss it.

Some some Kang, A.K.A.

Han from Fast and Furious franchise is out to prove that the thing

that made previous Fast and Furious movies good was the people in the movie

that actually no cars and that when those people weren't there,

the movies got worse and he's doing that by making a new movie.

I am unaware of this.

They are filming currently.

In fact, they are filming a open to the public ticketed event

this weekend in New Jersey.

That's you could go be a spectator in and possibly be seen in the movie.

And the movie is called Drifter.

It is a movie all about drifting.

And this is where things get really exciting.

He's making the movie.

He's not brought in a bunch of people who make movies for a live in

in Hollywood, who know nothing about cars to participate in this movie.

No, no, no, no.

He's got Brian Scott from Hoonigan fame and Jim Conner films.

He's got Adam LZ, actual YouTuber and drift.

I don't know if he's a champion or not, but, you know, competitive drift driver.

James Pumphrey, Rutledge Wood.

From Top Gear, Dai Yoshihara, actual formula FD champion.

Huge names in the drifting world and automotive content world

are all a part of making this movie.

And they're basically people that he's become friends with, right?

So Donut Media people, Hoonigan people,

and they're all coming together.

I saw Hurt in a behind the scenes video from Hoonigan.

So he literally is bringing all the people that he knows

that are passionate about cars to work on a movie about cars and about drifting.

I don't know what the plot's going to be.

I don't know how they're going to make it a movie.

But I just know this doesn't have a choice but to turn out epic.

It's got all the right people involved.

I had no idea that this was a thing I was looking at while you were speaking.

I, of course, will watch it because why would you die?

Right.

I I'm going to remain positive.

I'm going to remain positive because one of the, you know,

there's there's there's something to say about people doing real stunts

and really cool stunts in movies like Hoonigan and stuff like that

or make a really good video, YouTube videos like Lisa, stuff like that.

Is it I think is a different a little bit of a different world

when you are making a movie?

And I have no doubt that he wants to make the best movie possible.

But if he makes.

There are plenty documentaries and, you know,

fan movies that kind of do cool things.

I I want a real movie.

I want a real movie because one thing one thing that the first

fast, the the beginning of the Fast and Furious saga did that

the the the ones now don't do is they're real movies.

They're real stories have real people, you know, they obviously characters.

But it does have a storyline.

It's just, you know, the storyline involves cars.

And I kind of want that again.

Yeah, I mean, a bunch of guys in their 20s, you know,

trying to make a little bit of money and maybe doing some shady stuff

or stealing some DVD players, you know, it's while it's still kind of far

fetched, it is more relatable than an AI thumb drive that's going to take

over the world and turn every car on the planet into a cyborg.

Right. I mean, that's that's a lot harder to wrap your head around.

So having a movie about some guys who drift

and maybe maybe somebody steals some of my girl or wrecks a car, whatever.

That's a lot more relatable.

If you're listening producers of this movie, of this movie,

this is what this is kind of what I need.

I need a point break with cars.

Hmm. Well, that was Fast and Furious one.

That was one of our cars.

No, no, no, no.

That was that was point break with cars and people

who were stealing stuff.

I mean, point break, but with today's cars and updated story,

they didn't really update the story.

And you kind of correct.

It was kind of point break with stars.

I need I need that again.

I need that again.

Hey, sometimes you you you you you go back to an old idea

because it was a good idea.

See, I think drifting is one of those sports.

It's the right time to make a movie about drifting

because you can tell a grassroots story about a kid

getting into drifting and the struggles he experiences

in building a car and wrecking a car and competing and drifting

and moving up through the ranks.

There's enough of Tokyo drift right there.

We talked about.

Yeah, but that was not competing, right?

And and it was also being made by people

who don't really know cars as well.

Like it's it's a big budget movie, movie studio.

Whereas this you can do you can do a much more like

grounded in reality story in a sport that there's still

some relative unknown around it, right?

I mean, it's most people have heard of drifting,

but maybe that's because they've heard of street takeovers

and stuff, too.

You know, they don't know what competitive drifting is really about.

So I think it's got some potential to be a really good movie.

I think that's worth covering.

So, you know, we'll we'll throw out some more updates

as filming continues.

I think the last last part about that, I think it does as well.

I just don't I just want a real story and a real movie

that that involves drifting, that's around drifting

and ask you a question before we move on to the main topic.

Do I can't remember it off the top of my head.

Do we ever get a rally movie?

A rally movie, not really, no.

I would like to see like a bio pick on like Colin McCrae or something.

You know, yeah, but now I don't think we've ever had

like a real true rally movie.

That would be pretty cool.

Yeah, I was just thinking about that.

It's like we haven't got how do we get a drifting movie

before we get a rally book?

Well, in America, drifting is a lot bigger than rally.

Yeah, now globally, it might it might be reversed.

But I think rally is just bigger in Europe,

primarily, not so much Asia or the US.

So I think that's part of it.

Yeah. All right.

All right.

So let's talk about these new kids on the block.

I was completely surprised by this topic that Bill broke up

and he did this.

So that's mine.

So I had no idea.

Yeah, I got to thinking about this because

so much of the the idea of scout motors, in particular,

lives rent free in my head every day because they're in our backyard.

They're in Stanley's home state.

They're, you know, in one of the sales territories that I manage.

And I would love to get in there and sell them some equipment.

And so there's there's not a day that goes by

where I don't see something for them on on social media or,

you know, I don't kind of think about it when I see another SUV

or whatever. And I'm like, I kind of excited about this scout.

But it got me thinking.

It was like, you know, there's as far as brands go,

there are some new kids on the block.

And I was like, oh, that's a good name for an episode.

We got to kind of get into that.

And so I thought what we would do is just kind of discuss.

We get Stanley's take because Stanley's way more in tune with

what's happening in the EV world or I should say in new car world than I am.

So I thought we would kind of break these into two categories.

Now we're going to give an exemption to Tesla.

Sorry, Elon, because we know you listen.

We're going to give you an exemption because you've now been around for 20 years.

And I'm not going to call you a new kid on the block anymore.

You're you're established.

Nope. People don't like you.

People like you, whatever it's like Nissan.

I'm just going to say you're here. All right.

So we're going to kind of keep this on focused on two segments,

the new kids on the block, the new EV brands

that are somewhat established, in other words,

meaning that they are currently selling models and have been for a couple of years

and then soon to be EVs

that are still kind of in the

you know, ground game, get support, get money, get backing,

get a vehicle built and get it into a showroom somewhere.

And so I thought we kind of approach it like that.

Now I did mentally have to do a little bit of like

Jiu Jitsu and say this will be a three hour

podcast if we don't draw some kind of lines in the sand.

And so I removed brands

that are very heavily influenced by their parent company,

IE Polestar or BMW Electric

or Mercedes EQS or Cadillac, something with a Q in the name, right?

Like I kind of got to set those aside and say,

we talk about you guys later because you're a part of an established brand.

That makes sense. OK, OK, that makes sense.

And again, I have no idea what Bill is about to say.

So yeah, let's do it.

All right. So let's start with the two

sprouts from Tesla's universe, Lucid and Rivian.

They've been on sale for a little while.

I would say both have been

somewhat successful in their markets.

I do think they are kind of in two different markets in the EV world.

Right. Lucid is very high end, very luxury oriented.

Correct. Rivian is luxurious, but it seems to be more adventure oriented

than luxury. It's more like luxury adventure.

Whereas Rivian or Lucid seems to be more just luxury sedan minivan.

Yeah, it's not a minivan, but I agree.

I still feel strongly that it's a minivan, but whatever.

OK. All right.

So what are your thoughts on those two brands in particular?

All right, cool.

Off the off the cuff, both, like you said,

both kind of sprang from the Tesla well.

Start with Lucid, Lucid is of the two.

If I had the money and I think actually billed the best,

one of the best EVs on the market with the with the air.

It is unaffordable for most people.

But I think Lucid will stay around for another 10 years.

Simply because of this, who is investing?

Excuse me. Who's investing in them?

They have huge investments from outside of the United States of America.

They have gone into partnerships with some established brands

to produce some motors, because they absolutely have a pretty dope

for lack of better words, motor and and light.

So I think they're going to stick around for a little bit

just because of money from non US money

as a valid brand in the United States of America.

The cars just cost too much.

And we had a conversation in the past about this a little bit is

something should have stayed upmarket.

And I think they are purposely kind of stand upmarket

because they kind of they're going to stay upmarket

with Lucid the brand and go downmarket

with things that they do for other people.

And with the investment from again,

with the investment from outside of the United States of America,

I think they're going to at least be around for another 10 years

because that's a lot of money and those people have deep pockets.

Riviam, I'm a little scared for.

I they hit the scene with a splash,

i.e. somebody who I know and love very dearly did put a deposit down on one.

We're not going to talk about that person right now.

But I'm a little scared for them simply because I think they.

They need to diversify a bit.

They came out high and end up market again and then needed to come downmarket

where somebody kind of was where people can people can't afford them.

Because again, they have a they that they approach

and so easy game from a different standpoint.

They're the only ones who was kind of doing hub markets on a massive scale.

The R3 if the R3 was the second car that they came out with,

I would be more positive because they would

have had something that people we would have seen the car more.

We I do see Riviams a lot now, but I don't think.

I don't think they have the correct product currently to be successful.

So so let me ask you this.

If you're looking at but if you're looking at Lucid

with their global funding and backing and Rivian with

let's say they're I mean they at least have three full models

on the market as opposed to Lucid's to and I'm counting I'm counting

their delivery vans as a product that's actually on the market.

If you look at that strategy of getting into like fleet vehicles,

do you think that gives Rivian the ability to be around 10 years?

All right, so that was the next part I was going to say.

Thank you for allowing me to collect my thoughts.

Sometimes I'm not as good as this, as I think I am.

So an advantage that Rivian does have over Lucid is

they have they have entered the commercial market

and that is a space that I think they can take to be honest.

They can take it on if they if and they have the right due

that's back of them because one of the commercial vehicles

that they are selling right now is the Amazon delivery vehicle.

And right, to be honest, Amazon ain't probably going nowhere.

I target is going somewhere before Amazon goes somewhere.

So yeah, I think you're exactly right.

So and we've talked about everything has a place that they need to be.

Delivery vehicles, electric vehicles are really, really good for

because for for for eight hours, there's nobody's driving.

Just let it charge, work all day long.

Usually they have short routes that let it charge

while people are loading it again at night.

Do the same thing again tomorrow.

So I think they can I think they can increase their market share in that space.

Even like outside of the Amazon space, even though I think

that van now is exclusive to Amazon, so they're going to need to diversify a bit.

But they could I think they could stay around

not necessarily keep their their passenger cars available,

but where they're going to make that money that is in the commercial space.

Delivery vehicles.

Well, local delivery vehicles, not not over the road delivery vehicles.

I think I think they can eat that up.

But again, I don't think either one of those companies

have the right car to to make themselves

available to the public that that are going to sustain the company.

Loose it costs too much and is really the sapphire is a crazy car.

But and then like you just put you're just saying the gravity.

I think it's going to fail because I mean, you pick at all SUVs

like that many vans, but that thing really is a minivan and they're going to have

to make people want that hundred thousand dollar minivan.

And I don't think that's going to happen.

The R3 is that the R3 is the one when the R3 is the market.

I think people are going to be excited for that car.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I do think that Lucid's got a tough appeal battle.

I don't know if they have the staying power to stick around.

Rivian, I feel like because of their strategy of getting into fleet vehicles,

I feel like that gives them a little bit longer of a shelf life.

And maybe that's enough to get and, you know, what's the what's the magic

number like is it 10 years? Is it 15 years?

I mean, right by 15 years, we knew Tesla is not going anywhere.

Anytime soon, they may wind up being gobbled up by somebody

at some point and become a supplier to other companies, you know,

but I don't know that they're ever really going away fully.

We're going to hear the name Tesla in perpetuity, right?

But Rivian Lucid, I'm not sure yet.

Like they could potentially still go away.

All right.

So another thing about you, because you just even though

we're not going to talk directly about Tesla,

Tesla has brand cash that those people that those two companies just don't have.

Normal people don't know what a Lucid or Rivian is.

We know. That's true.

But, you know, and one of the reasons they are is because they made it

a thing that people they they.

They did the thing that Lucid is trying to do,

but Lucid is trying to do 15, 18 years later,

put the Model S out there, let it be fancy.

Kind of make that.

Oh, that's nice. That's cool.

It's fast. It does all these things.

But the the Model S already did that.

And now the market is saturated enough

where they're they're the Mercedes and the BMWs

and they kind of do very similar things.

And so Tesla was able to do that in a bubble

because they were the only thing viable at the time.

I tell you 100 percent.

I believe that the air is a way better car than the Model S.

You people can fight me on that.

You can act me on that, whatever it is a better built.

It is a better built, better quality automobile, right?

Is, you know, it it probably has

more hours of thought and an effort put into it.

And it probably will last a lot longer.

That would just aren't a fan of the price tag.

Oh, 100 percent.

Another thing about that is Tesla did a pretty good

a trick, a good job of tricking people

and thinking that Tesla was a luxury brand.

It is not a luxury brand.

Lucid is, though.

Yes. Well, all right.

So while we're on that, let's let's go to the next.

What I'm going to call established EV brand.

Now, this one's a little bit trickier

because this is a global EV brand that decided

to invest in being a US competitor.

And I wouldn't call them really a competitor yet.

But because they.

They come from someone who was at

highest levels at Mercedes, the qualities there, the luxuries there.

But their problem seems to be, to me, brand recognition.

And that's then fast.

OK, cool.

That's I figured what's going to go next.

So then fast, like,

Vietnamese company came to America.

I think this is technically an American company.

Technically, an American company.

Technically, technically an American company.

They had a really, really good idea.

And they fumbled the bag as the young kids would say.

They put a vehicle on the market

that was not fully baked in today's world.

You cannot do that because YouTube and social media.

I agree. I agree.

Here's the thing I don't understand about VINFAST.

This is my struggle, because if you if you do a little internet research

and I didn't know all of this until I started digging into it

and all I did was make me feel less confident, not more confident.

But in the Asian market,

where they were building cars and selling cars first,

because I guess the barrier of entry was a little slower there,

they were they they're selling a lot more models.

Yeah, they're selling like basically like a Vespa scooter that's electric.

Now, they do have an electric bike in the US now that you can buy

the Dragonfly, but but they only have four models of cars in the US.

And I'm a little confused that

these are the four year offering, which are essentially

with the exception of a third row in the VF9, they're essentially

the same four cars. Yeah, exactly.

There's not enough

variety in the models to me.

To just build a name for yourselves.

Now, if you had a a two door car or like a sports car

or or like a real off roadie SUV or a sedan, something to differentiate yourself.

But but if you've just got four generic

SUV things that you don't really

you don't really stand out, you don't you want people to be like,

ooh, what's that new car? Oh, that's a very fast.

I've never seen one of those.

Instead, one of these goes past and now you've seen one

and you didn't even know you saw one because there's no there's no character to it.

Now, I'm going to show you a van fast.

And this was hard to do because I had to basically tell my computer

I was in Vietnam

in order to find find this thing.

So your reaction to this and tell me if you feel the same way I did.

OK.

So, yeah.

That is the vehicle that that is a vehicle, the VF three.

If Google it, if if you can, when you get a chance.

So that is an example of a vehicle that can do very well.

Well, has the potential to do well.

But really what it does is make catches people's eyes.

And that's what I meant, like you really need something.

To establish your brand

as being worthy of remembering and thinking about.

All right, so this is another thought about that fast.

And now, so then VF

fast reminds me of what the Hyundai Auto Group did back in the 80s.

Yeah, this is a really good point.

They came out and they fumbled.

That doesn't mean that you can't get the ball back.

And I'm a trick of the lake down the field and, you know, win the game.

I know you don't do sports.

Other people will understand.

You can strike out and still win a game.

That's right. You can still strike.

You can strike out and still get a touchdown.

I think you went away.

What? Yeah, I think you went away.

I think you froze for a second, but we're just going to keep going.

Yeah, you you you're saying you can strike out and still get a touchdown.

We know you're sports.

I'm going to get you that shirt for sport.

Um, so.

Because of VIN fast and where they are building their manufacturing facility,

I think they had the opportunity to do something that the other that the other two don't.

They can make themselves a regional superstar.

Yeah, Raleigh is on Raleigh's on the rise.

Charlotte Charlotte.

It angles 100 green was right there is 100 miles away from from from Atlanta.

So I mean, you can make yourself a regional superstar.

Because one thing that I have noticed since living in Charleston, South Carolina,

where we build Volvos and we build Metro, Metro's fans, they are everywhere.

People drive Volvos here.

People drive the drive those are Mercedes fans because hey, we are we are invested.

You know what I mean? Right.

You go to you go to Tennessee.

People are driving these cars because they build them there.

That's exactly right. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you go to Greenville, Spartanburg.

Everybody's driving a BMW because they work there.

Yeah, exactly.

I was about to say that I was about to say that as well.

They can make themselves a Southern Southern

Southeastern superstar because not the two to our own horn,

but the Southeast is up and coming.

That's right.

That we at South Carolina is one of I think

this top three fastest growing states in manufacturing, fastest three

growing states in population.

North Carolina is like four or five.

But in the crazy thing is North Carolina was already up

was already a big place for that as well.

North Carolina is becoming a bigger financial hub on top of what is always

Duke Energy, all these things are there.

These people from up north and people from the Midwest are moving here

because there are a lot of jobs here and there's a lot of opportunity here.

And hey, I don't see that car.

I don't see that VF three being out of place, running around Charlotte.

Running around Raleigh, running around Greensboro, running, you know, just.

Well, OK, and so this was my thing with that car in particular.

It wouldn't be out of place in another five to 10 years

because we're going to talk about these other soon to be new kids on the block.

All right, so let's hide that now.

You're about to you're going to get into some things

that I probably know this much about, but go ahead and I don't know

a lot about these either. But look, let's let's talk about what we think

the the potential is for these vehicles and what is the company

got to get right in order to still be here 10 years from now?

Because people keep trying to come out with like weird, quirky,

new and different ideas for cars and they don't stick around, right?

There was going to be a Google car. There was going to be an Apple car.

There was like a canoe car or something recently that just disappeared.

You know, every two weeks, there's some new electric startup

that's going to change the world and they don't quite get it right.

But I think these other ones that we're going to talk about

for their own individual reasons, maybe have the potential to stick around.

So we'll start with Scout. We'll get it out of the way.

So we'll talk. Let's talk about Scout.

So yes, Elf in the room, they are owned by VW.

So they have. Corporate backing from an established car brand.

Right. And they're a rebirth of an already existent legacy brand.

Namecaster. Right. OK.

But I think it's a new product

because they're going about the EV thing from a slightly different approach.

And I think that stands to set them apart.

I agree.

Scout is doing what I believe is the smart thing

is planning for the future in the present.

Wow. And they have the advantage of leading on a path or all the past.

Evo's wagon and the name Scout.

They are having their pure EVs coming.

They have extended range, extended range EVs coming.

I think they're going to get a hybrid coming.

And that chassis has potential to do internal combustion.

They're planning for all things at the same time.

And if you do not plan to fail, you will fail.

If you do not plan to do the diversified, you will fail.

Yes, which is the fate of a few of these brands that you just named.

Fair Day Future, Lourstown.

Oh, yeah. All these days, it's like, oh, we're going to build this product.

And we're going to do this.

We're going to do that.

And it's going to be like, dude, you build a one thing

and you're not doing it well on top of that.

Well, you have a good idea, but you you you you got the plan

to be able to move around, especially in this game.

Yeah, you can't move around too much,

but you got to have a plan to change directions when you need to change directions.

Yeah, what I like about Scouts Approach is they're they're taking a page

from Rivian's playbook and saying, hey, we have a shared architecture.

So we should release a truck and an SUV because people have a choice.

You don't lock them down to only building a truck or only building an SUV.

Let's give people a choice that way we can sell.

But, you know, it was to make the same number of chassis,

but we'll just give people more options.

Right. Let's lean into some things people do have comfort with,

like, you know, a solid rear axle and actual off-roadness

and give them a little bit of heritage feel goods with bench seats.

Not many people are going out for a bench seat in 2026,

but there are a few of us out there that would be excited about that.

Right. And simple fact that is an option gives them gives them an advantage.

I agree.

And so I think there are some things that they're doing right,

including a gas engine, even if it is just generating electricity

for a battery, I still think that's the right option

because it's not forcing people into a technology

that they may not be comfortable with yet.

And I think that's that's how you're going to get more people on board.

I agree with you.

And they're doing another thing that I don't think you failed

to bring up, but maybe maybe you're going to bring it up.

And I'm just jumping you.

They are not necessarily reinventing the wheel.

Right. You know, you know, who's a partner in that in that joint venture?

Rivian. That's right.

So Rivian has proven that we can build this thing.

We can build a viable electric car.

And now what we want to do is so they get in bed with all these

all these with all these companies that have a little bit more money.

Amazon Volkswagen.

And hey, we're going to use you to supplement what we want to do.

We have the technology out of the way already.

You don't have to reinvent it.

I think it's going to be a I do not somebody asked me a while ago.

Do I believe that Scout and Rivian are going to

cannibalize each other?

I don't think so.

I think that's a different.

Yeah, I don't think so.

And I think the products are going to be different enough

that they they will compete against each other,

but they won't completely cannibalize.

So I honestly, I think I think the market for a international scout

SUV and an R1S SUV, I feel like there's some difference in that market.

The overlander crowd may be cross shop of the cross shops.

Those two, but but the people who have a beach house,

a ski house and a townhouse, they're only looking at that Rivian.

They're not looking at that scale like you like you.

OK, moving on, let's talk about one last thing about Scout.

Oh, and talk about cannibalization.

For all Rivians, a venture motif that they have.

They are too mainstream, almost.

They want to be they want to appear to be too mainstream.

So they they get the the the the the same treatment like GMC and ADC.

GMC and ADC for OK, yeah, they're an accessory.

Yeah, they're an accessory.

They're going to be the people who are going to buy

scouts initially aren't going to be the soccer moms.

It's going to be going to be the people who actually is like,

oh, I remember that it reminds me of that.

I'm going to go get it.

Oh, this thing is actually capable and somebody's going to see it on a trail.

It's like, oh, I think, oh, I should go get that.

Is it a different is the difference between being a venture and off road?

And you're the off road guy.

So I know you know, but I don't know.

I would imagine I would imagine those companies, though.

But I don't I think there's a distinct difference between being adventure

ready and being a vehicle that you actually can take up a trail.

I agree.

Yeah. All right.

Not saying that you can't take a rivet up a trail.

I don't know.

But it doesn't look like that.

That that's not the ones I see look like they never touching dirt.

Right. So so I'm going to circle back to our VF three Vin fast.

Now, one of the reasons why that car jumped out of me is like, man,

why they're not pushing that car in the U.S.

I mean, I get the safety thing, but you can make it work.

And why they're not making an effort there with that car

and to your point, like going specifically target marketing

these inner city markets for these cars is because they mean

they have the potential that if they did that, they could be the first to market

in those cities and those demographics to offer something

before they've got to deal with a company like Slate.

So let's talk about Slate.

All right. So I see you make a segway and stuff trying to be all fancy.

I see what you're doing. Slate.

The honest.

I think Slate has an amazing idea.

They have one of the richest, richest backers on the planet.

And I think I think that it is a toss up

if they're going to if they're going to be successful.

And the only the only reason I say that is

the only thing people hate worse, worse than some cost to

costing to a car that costs too much is a car that looks cheap.

And as cool as I think that thing is,

and as as as if I had a 16 year old son

and I wanted to get a little car to go to and from school,

I would probably do something like that.

If I don't see real people, adults are not buying that.

Yeah, young adults are going to buy this car.

OK, young adults, young adults are going to buy that car

and then they're going to go by a car that doesn't look cheap

soon after as soon as they make a little bit of money.

See, but the thing is about this lady is

you can get it and personalize it to

and and I don't know, I mean.

Offering that many options from a manufacturing standpoint

is not cheap, and that's my concern is how you inventory

or build to scale for this much variance

and and also somehow plan for how many units you're going to sell

is very tough to come out of the gate, swinging this hard.

But if they can make it work and that's where to your point

about having big money behind it, if they can make it work,

I think there is huge potential in in.

Big big companies aren't going to take a note from this.

They're going to feel it, but they're not ever going to change

the way they do things probably.

But it might mean that down the road,

you get a little better option abilities

with some of these bigger legacy auto brands,

especially for first time buyers, because that's their target market.

You get somebody first time buyer.

You know, you're you're you're a single guy or a single gal

and you're graduating college and you need a car

and you're going to work in an industry somewhere.

And, you know, you buy this thing as a truck

and then you get a family and you buy back seats and an SUV

for the back and you turn your truck into an SUV

and it grows with you.

And then eventually you replace it for something, you know, a little bigger

and you get, I don't know, God forbid, a Tesla or something.

But it's a car that you could buy and scale up

for your first 10 years of being a new human driver adult, right?

And so to me, I think there's potential,

but it's also a big gamble.

All right.

So this is this is this is leading back on our our our past.

Every sergeant and below on Fort Bragg and Cap Magin and New River

will consider buying that.

For all the reasons you just said, 100 percent.

But as soon as they pick up Starshart, it's like, oh,

I got to go get a real car.

But, you know, they ain't got there yet.

They're going to spend some time down there.

So but the the go off of what the difference in variants,

because, you know, I'm a little sick, my guy as well.

This is how they get around it.

And I don't know.

I had to I recently because anyway.

The thing that you have in your background, 3D printing.

Yep.

They're going to sell those whatever those files

so people can 3D print their own stuff.

Yep.

You can get the official slight one.

Or you can buy the thing and do your own.

And I think there's going to be a lot of people that do that.

And a lot of those people who whose wives are driving,

who's driving AT force, there's their sons and their daughters.

It was like, hey, that's cheap.

Get them that.

And if they if they dinner,

well, you can't get a bumper because it's plastic.

If they chair up a bumper, just order a new bumper

and print a new bumper.

Have a new bumper print and just put it on on the way.

Yes, yes.

And look, I'm telling you, if if if I were a young

PFC coming out of boot camp.

Oh, yeah.

Or a freshman in college looking to make looking to make my way in the world.

If this was a car I could go look at and drive and buy today.

It would be on my list.

Oh, I just had a thought.

Would would there be better cars and more expensive cars?

More emotion evoking cars that I would want?

Yes. Yeah.

But but as a young man and fending for himself

with not a lot of inherited resources, this would be on my list.

Like, I would have to consider this as a vehicle.

And probably the versatility would sell me on it.

Um, I just had a thought.

Yeah, I had a thought.

We're just talking about emerging markets.

A few minutes ago.

Yeah. One of these.

I'm going to put this this idea I'm going to eat there.

So somebody's going to somebody's going to do this.

Another thing that happened, another southern phenomenon is college sports.

Yeah.

If if I was late.

Every Tar Heels football game, every Gamecock football game,

every Alabama football game, they'll be driving them vehicles.

I would plant them things on campuses

and let them use them like they use the scooters and stuff nowadays.

Yeah.

And it and like you said, people because you said something about college sports

college sports and they got no money.

I just so happened to have raised one couple of them.

They got no money, they got no money, but you know what they do got?

Mom and Dad brand new to the world, baby, teeny, tiny, little credit score.

Yep. Yep.

And I mean, if you get, I agree with you, if you get them,

they're driving that thing around campus and everything.

Hey, a couple of things, they're going to leave campus with a couple of them.

They're going to be familiar with it.

They're going to be used to it.

So I mean, if you are up and coming and I don't know if there's a company,

one of these up and comeers or I don't know if anybody's ever done that.

Plant these vehicles on college campuses, let people get used to.

Let like you just said, let these kids grow with these vehicles.

Hey, this is your first time as an adult.

This is a car.

Grow with it.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I didn't take it.

All right. So, yeah.

So, so currently can we sell it?

Yeah, we might have just came up with a formula to keep them alive.

So let's talk about who I want to be their competitor,

but I'm not sure if they're ever going to get off the ground and running.

OK. Alpha.

Thank you.

That's what I was going to say next. Cool.

So what do you do after you drive?

Oh, gosh, oh, gosh, a slate on a slate on a college campus.

And now you want to I don't want to look like the college kids.

They go get an alpha.

I want some big company to

or somebody with a bunch of money to invest in alpha so bad

because it's like grown up slate.

It is. It's it's late for your 30s.

Yeah, it is grown up slate.

I can see you and me are the the frying market for office.

We are not our kids are in the market for slates.

That's a really good way to put it.

Yes, because I would if you if somebody pulled up from alpha

right now in my driveway with one of these wrecks SUVs.

Yeah. Yeah.

Basically, any of them in any configuration

or one of these weird jacks like rally car looking things.

Or a super ace tuner with a wing on the back

or a Sega estate wagon off road.

Look at any of those things pull up in my driveway.

And I'm going to be like, yeah, I'll drive that.

What do you need?

Well, I need to sign to drive this thing because it just looks like it's fun.

The the the the the what's the proof of concept for this is

you are not an electric vehicle fan.

You know, you know the names of all these vehicles.

Well, I'm also looking at the website.

Yes. But but this to be honest, of all the EVs,

I think you're the biggest fans of this this thing right here.

Then all the other ones, I'm a fan of.

Of the scout and there's a part of me

because of the extended range gas generator engine thing.

There is a part of me that really wrestles with

the possibility that that might be a vehicle on my horizon someday.

Yeah. Is it five years from now?

I don't know. Is it 10 years from now? I don't know.

But if I'm going to if I'm going to jump into that world of EV purchases,

the scout is 100 percent on my radar, right?

And I recognize that because I will have less anxiety about making that purchase.

But if I look at all of these brands and I think, who do I want

to succeed and who do I want to see and who do I want to be tempted by

and have to go drive one and find a reason not to buy it?

Is alpha? Yeah, I can see you.

If alpha was on the market today,

I could see you wrestling mentally with by the jacks.

100 percent.

Just yeah, I could see you.

Oh, I don't want to do it, but I want to do it.

I want, you know, but at the same time.

And we said you said it a few minutes ago.

They I could not alpha.

But oh, gosh, what was I just saying?

Scouts, right? Scouts, Scouts.

Scout occupies a place in the EV market that's kind of safe.

It's the transition car.

Yeah, it's the car. It's the car for you, right? Right. Right.

It's a day that's like, hey, I could I'm a tip toe in this.

I'm going to get I'm a lukewarm about the same.

Let me try it out, you know.

But so, yeah, I can I can see it.

But at the same time, I know.

I wish Scout would make a jacks or something like that.

Why can't we get a scout people from Scout?

Can we talk to alpha people and make this thing happen?

Because that that factory I'm building is it's going to have capacity.

I'm just saying, let's make this happen.

But yeah, anyway, get back on topic.

I guess a little bit is.

Yeah, I like Alpha.

Unfortunately, I think they got the hardest road.

They think you're right.

They got they need some backing.

They need some backing.

I the coolest one.

Why do cool things got to be harder, harder to make happen?

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

Anyway, that's a good question.

All right. So.

They told me in popular mechanics in 1990

that we're going to have flying cars by now.

Why don't we have?

I don't know.

I don't know why we don't have flying cars, but honestly, I'm glad we don't

because I still like the feel of driving on the road.

I feel like that's more enjoyable for me than than a flying car will be.

I feel like a flying car will be more.

I will be more anxious about flying in a car than I would be driving on the road,

although it's probably somehow safer to me.

It's too much.

It's it's a big unknown and the older I get, the more opposed to it.

I am because it's just that's too different.

Young people, they'll learn it and they'll grow with it, whatever.

But I don't think I'm ready for a flying car.

But speaking of how I feel, let's look at a Fila.

And that'll be our final brand, a Fila.

If I remember, that's the one that's affiliated with Sonic, right?

Yeah, it's Sony and Honda, basically.

Yeah, so.

I think this is how you're my dog, right?

Well, for a feeling weird name.

Honda has to really get into the EV market

and play around a little bit if they're going to remain rival,

which gives that car hope.

Yes. And the fact that Honda has not got more than one electric model

tells you that Honda is pushing their electric resources towards this venture,

right? That's what it tells me.

Very much like a Volvo Polestar situation.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they got in bed with you a little bit and built a couple,

but that's a half-hearted diagram effort.

It's kind of, you know what, remember back in the day

when Honda was rebadging a Zuzu SUVs and things

and then they came out with their own and that broke the car market.

I kind of I can see a Fila kind of doing the same thing.

They're they're tipping their toe into the water

with all these other things, learning from everybody's mistakes

because Honda's a I mean, they're a smart company.

All the most of these companies are they they have to be kind of smart.

Some of them just do the dumbest things.

I think.

I think they got a real chance.

I think they got a real chance because Honda they can.

I don't see a world.

I don't think it's hard to see a world where a Fila doesn't

supplant Acura as Honda Subran.

Wow, that's interesting.

Because, I mean, of all the luxury premium

brands that sub brands of vehicles out there,

we forget about affinity and we forget about

Acura just is at the same time for a lot of people.

Infiniti is sucks, sucks.

It's too hard of work.

They have failed.

I agree.

I agree. It's it's all the wrong luxury in all the wrong places.

And the crazy thing is,

affinity was the one that people were chasing.

What was the Q 45 when it came out?

What was the one? Oh, yeah.

It was it was the one that enthusiast wanted anyway.

But the M the M 45 was an enthusiast car

that they killed way too quickly just because people said it was ugly.

Wait, both of them.

Ugly and engaging.

Can cancel out.

Yes, yes, yes, again, yes, again.

Ask Bravo.

They made it through the eighties.

Oh,

Satra, so I went to the movies to go see a movie

that isn't necessarily the best movie, but it was entertaining.

And I can't even remember what the name of the movie was right now,

because that's that's how forgettable it was Superman.

No, Superman was actually it was just it came out last week.

Anyway, whatever.

Star kid had to be in his mid 20s,

driving a Volvo wagon with wrapped pipes.

I was like, what is that noise?

And he just he eased the car to he eased the car out.

And that's like, oh, man, I can't get my phone out

and take a picture of it.

But anyway, 20 years, 20 years are now discovering

old Volvo wagons, your thing, as they should.

But anyway,

I don't I can see a world where I feel a supplant

stagon or Acura as the as Honda's main subframe.

I mean.

At this point, Honda does not have a unique product.

The only thing that Acura doesn't have a unique product.

The biggest thing that they have over there is an MDX

and everything else is for lack of better words, kind of forgettable.

Yeah. I mean, as much as I kind of would like to have an Integra.

If you can get a civic type of iron, do the same thing.

100 percent, 100 percent.

And I would say, even though old men got more money,

I bet civic type of sales are doing better than Acura Integra.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they were going to get an nostalgia hit.

And then people are going to be like, oh, what's that?

Because these young kids don't know what an Acura is besides an MDX.

That's right. Yeah.

Oh, their mom's car.

Yeah. That's like that.

I don't want that. I don't want that.

That's what Acura makes of, as you would say, many vans.

That's right.

Well, yeah, I think a feeler does have a little bit of an excuse.

I got some some backing from Honda and they got another big player

in the technology market, the technology world and Sony.

And they haven't rushed that car to the to the market yet,

which is just started production at the end of July, like.

And we've been hearing about their car for five years.

Yeah, it's interesting.

I mean, they've, you know,

again, that tells you you're you're looking at a product

that's being put out with money and effort from big corporations

because that's how they do it, right?

They they can spend five years developing it

before a product starts getting made.

These other guys have got to get interest and support

and even money from people before they can even get a product to market.

They have almost they have every advantage that Scott has,

but with with with the exception of the the brand recognition.

Yes. So anyway, that was my that's my new kids on the block.

You know, I I hate to say it.

It was a it came to me as a good idea.

It just wasn't an idea I would have been excited about.

If you would have brought the idea to me, I'd have been like,

EV talk seriously, but.

That's the world we live in now.

And people are excited about EVs.

So we have to figure out a way to talk about them.

And I don't know that easy talk.

That is a thing I'm a I'm a hold to this.

And I heard on a podcast, not too long ago,

that said that my idea was done.

I think it was Doug that said it was done.

But Doug, I think you're wrong here.

I think the market, the current market supports a variety of vehicles,

not just one type of vehicle.

We are in a transition phase in vehicle and vehicle car technology.

Everybody is ready to go full EV.

Some people and you got to you got to meet the market where it is.

You can't force the the market to do what you want.

That's right.

Um, people were coming out

once upon a time, every family had a stage wagon,

and they actually introduced a minivan.

And everybody had a minivan and then SUVs took off.

There are one.

I think they're wanted to officially recognize wagons.

There are less than 10 wagons left and less than 10 minivans left.

The market will go with people because people buy it.

And you just got to get people used to it.

True.

You know, when was the first?

When did you go that own unibody with the with the Cherokee?

But 83.

Yeah, that's probably about right.

83. Now that's essentially the only thing you can buy.

Right, right.

It's sometimes, you know, sometimes they take one, which you saw

the kind of off the topic.

Did you see the video about the Cherokee?

The Haggerty video?

No. Oh, you got to watch that.

That's a good one.

The Haggerty video about the Cherokee.

Maybe I did.

Yeah, the Haggerty video about the Cherokee.

I know you've seen it.

I probably did.

I did not realize that Chrysler, which I should have realized it.

Chrysler, you are you have been doing it wrong my entire life,

not my entire adult life, my entire life.

You have the good things.

And he's like, you know what we should do?

Change it.

It's it's only the most popular thing on the planet right now.

Let's just change it.

Let's not do the thing that everybody wants to do because.

Dumb.

Well, you know.

I will say.

It is a fine line.

I mean, I'm usually the very first person to like poo poo on the automotive brand

corporate people for screwing up a good thing, right?

But you do also.

Have to innovate, right?

Like you you.

Sometimes they're successful innovations and sometimes they're failures.

Changing the Cherokee was a failure, but 100 percent, but sometimes you get success.

And if you don't do it, you don't know if it's a success or if it's a failure.

So I don't fault them for trying.

But also you should have left it alone.

You should.

I sometimes you innovate your way out of that.

And that's who made that or whoever made that decision did that.

Yes, they innovated themselves right out of a job.

Because I mean, yes, I do agree with you.

You have to you have to push the the limit.

You have to, you know, you have to progress.

That's what life is, a progression, linear progression.

Now, there you go, linear progression is a thing.

We don't have to make leaps every time.

Yeah.

Prime example, force, force, good example.

Thank you. That was better than I was thinking about.

You know how long they've been making a lot?

Not eleven forever.

You know who we know who is upset about the way they are the current

about the way they make nine elevens, nobody.

We hear me, Carson, they come up here, come over because everybody is mad

when the when the new nine eleven comes out and then they drive it.

It's like, you know what, I was wrong.

That's exactly right.

I mean, everybody immediately was like, oh,

the new nine eleven T's got an electric hybrid assist in it.

And then they drove it and they went, oh, crap.

Yeah, it's like, you know what, you know what, I was wrong.

It happens every time.

Yeah, every time.

I was like, why do y'all keep doubting these people?

It's like betting against Tom Brady.

Why would you do that?

I think I think somebody from the future.

I I'm going to make a prediction right now.

One day, you know, like.

If you subscribe to Einstein's theory or his comments around time travel,

is that time travel is only possible

backwards in time to the point in which time travel was invented.

So we're not there yet, right?

We can't travel backwards because we haven't invented it yet.

That's that's an interesting theory.

But my theory would be that in the future at some point,

maybe another 250 years, I don't know what point we invented time travel

or will invent time travel and the inventor of time travel will be Porsche.

And they will travel back in time to the beginning of Porsche.

And and Ferdinand himself will look at the Porsche from the future.

And that's where he'll get the idea for the original one.

And he'll be like, yeah.

But and that's and the note will say, build this, change nothing.

Yes.

So I had an idea.

We talked about movies earlier.

I had this I have this fever pitch idea about this movie that is essentially

the same concept somebody takes a car from the future.

The current day kind of future takes it back to the fifties or and.

Has a little garage and going out to the strip and people looking at like,

what's this dumb thing and it smoke checks everybody.

And then, you know, it kind of does the same thing all over again.

We leapfrog and chase the world.

It was a dream.

They mean it all.

Also, one quick thing, just to prove the theory that no one is a pervious to be

stupid at any given time, Porsche, you are doing it wrong by killing that

internal combustion engine, the con that is the dumbest idea you have done

in the entirety of that whole company.

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Don't do that.

I will I will believe they're doing it once it happens.

Yeah, Porsche is the worst for making statements like this.

And then.

The weak cars start showing up to press people they're like, well,

there's actually going to be this version as well.

Yeah, I hope you are correct because that would that would be the worst

move that I have.

I can remember that that car company is made.

Well, it is a good way to kill off a model because

EV sales are not the best right now.

And if if you're a brand like Porsche,

look at what happened to 911 turbo sales when they went from the 993 to the 997.

And people did not want you changing that headlight.

The car is fundamentally a great car.

It's a good performing car.

It's an exceptionally performing car for it today.

It still holds up well today, but nobody wanted a bomb because of the headlights.

Yeah, that's how particular Porsche owners are.

Correct.

I would get I was thinking about this trying to figure out after your text

message, what what you were trying to talk about, what we were going to talk

about, because again, I had no idea what we were going to talk about today.

And the the the McCann,

the McCann, I was looking at because you said new kids in the block,

but I was thinking you're going to talk about new models about to come out.

But obviously that was too basic.

So and I was going to present, I was going to say, hey,

let's talk about the things that are dying.

So I was looking at that when you sent me that text.

And I saw again that the McCann internal combustion engine is going away.

And then sad, sad, sad.

And I had this thought.

The McCann.

And you tell me how how if you feel the same way

of all the SUVs that you can purchase today in America.

If I had the money, if I had the money and I was going out to buy an SUV

and obviously I don't have a limit.

There are two things that immediately come SUVs that come to mind.

The first one is the alpha

because I could not get over the sound of that car.

I love the way it sounds.

And the second one is the McCann.

That you would buy.

Yeah.

And now I admit that the alpha is going to break

at 2000 miles.

Sure.

But so that's that's when it's like I got to have another car

because this car is going to break.

So when this car breaks, I can still get to work because I got to pay for this car.

But

you know what, I'm just going to throw the alpha out.

The McCann is to be honest, it's the best SUV in the market.

It just costs a lot of money.

What does it not do good?

Off-road.

They used to say that about the utility of vehicle.

I mean, look, it is it's very sporty.

It has a little bit.

It has a little bit of ground clearance.

But how much space does it have behind the the second row?

How much headroom does the second row have?

I'm not arguing it's not an attractive vehicle.

I like the McCann.

The McCann GTS is a

bang up vehicle.

But.

Going back to my

I'm doubling down on my I don't call things that are hatchbacks lifted SUVs.

The McCann is not an SUV.

It is it is a it is a

oversized Volkswagen GTI.

And does it do or golf are and does it do golf or GTI stuff really freaking good?

Yes, it does.

Is it an off-road SUV?

No, it is not.

I agree with you that they did not do a rugged model.

That's another thing you're doing wrong, Porsche.

You should have had a rugged.

We can do a rugged 9-11.

We can do a rugged McCann.

Yeah, that's a great point.

That that might be the best thing you've said of this whole Porsche discussion

is why is there not a Dakar version McCann or Cayenne?

That should be a thing.

And I was going to bring up the Cayenne because people used to say that about the

Cayenne and you see how many overlanding Cayenne

with the overlanding community than the Cayenne.

So if they can do that to the Cayenne, they can do it to the McCann and I don't

understand why Porsche hasn't figured this out yet.

Yeah, I don't know either.

I do know we've been going for an hour and a half, though.

Yes, we yes, we have.

Well.

To continue our conversation of teasing the audience

who have made it this far with things that are coming in the future.

We have a special guest coming in the future.

Yes, and you will be excited.

I don't know how we're going to approach this.

I think we're both kind of out of our depth with this, but we're doing it anyway.

So there, which is which is how I've gotten through a large portion of my life thus far.

Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah.

I love you, man.

I love you, too.

Let's do this again.

Yes, sir.

Night, y'all.

Good night.

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