{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"\"The Score Lies!\" Why Credit Scores are Failing First Time Buyers (& What The Top 1% of Dealers Are Doing)","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/the-score-lies-why-credit-scores-are-failing-first-time-buyers-what-the-top-1-of-dealers-are-doing","audioUrl":"https://chrt.fm/track/C6AG88/traffic.megaphone.fm/CREUR3695141503.mp3","description":"In this episode of the Industry Spotlight, joining host Sam D'Arc are Ben Atkinson, VP of Auto Lending at Upstart, and Evan Driscoll, General Sales Manager at Audi Jacksonville to discuss why the credit score has become the most overrated number in auto lending and how a full-spectrum dealership running everything from $2,000 used cars to $400,000 Rolls-Royces gets first-time buyers approved at competitive rates with no money down.\n\nEvan breaks down how a slow approval costs his store at least $1,000 per car per day in aging inventory, and how a 10-second automated decision changed the math. \n\nBen explains why Upstart evaluates 280 data points beyond the credit score, including income stability, deal structure, and loan-to-value, and why a buyer carrying negative equity with great credit can be a bigger risk than a first-time buyer with a strong job. \n\nThey also get into why 24/7 automated approvals matter most during the weeks traditional lenders go dark.\n\n\n\nThis episode of the Car Dealership Guy Podcast is brought to you by Upstart.\n\n\n\nTopics:\n\n04:30 Why Slow Approvals Kill Deals.\n\n05:50 The $1,000 Cost Of One Extra Day.\n\n08:00 How Soft Pulls Close More Deals.\n\n09:50 Why Customers Love Soft Pulls.\n\n11:20 The 10-Second Approval.\n\n15:00 Why First-Time Buyers Get 7% Rates.\n\n16:30 The 280 Data Points Beyond Credit Scores.\n\n20:00 24/7 Automation Beats Banking Hours.\n\n21:00 The Beach Chair Email That Enraged A Store.\n\n24:30 Why Manual Credit Apps Are Dead.\n\n26:00 One Portal Beats Five Logins.\n\n29:00 People First, Tech Second.\n\n\n\nUpstart - Unlike traditional auto financing, Upstart uses thousands of data points – not just credit scores – to approve more buyers, structure more profitable deals, and speed up funding. 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I guarantee if you ask anybody, they're going to say that.\n[101.0s] It's always tough working with the correct lenders for the right customers on the right vehicles.\n[107.1s] Because we're what we call a full spectrum dealership.","canonicalId":"term:lenders","priority":0.42,"confidence":0.88,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"In auto retail, “lenders” are the banks/finance companies that provide the auto loan or lease financing for the buyer. Dealers often need multiple lender relationships because approval rules vary by customer credit profile and by the vehicle being financed.","simplifiedExplanation":"“Lenders” are the companies that give people the money to buy the car (the auto loan/lease). 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They’re often cheaper cars, which affects how the dealership arranges financing."}},{"startTime":142.0,"endTime":147.4,"type":"term","title":"tires","url":"/glossary/tires","quote":"[137.6s] But he loves selling every car that we can get our hands on,\n[142.0s] even if we got it for $100 and all it needed was a new interior or tires or whatever.\n[147.4s] Props to the Hananiah group for not having a coronary when he used car manager buys a Rolls","canonicalId":"term:tires","priority":0.28,"confidence":0.55,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"In used-car reconditioning, “tires” are a common refurbishment item because they directly affect safety, ride quality, and inspection readiness. The transcript uses tires as an example of the kinds of work a dealer might do to make a low-cost car retail-ready.","simplifiedExplanation":"Tires are part of the car’s safety and condition. Dealers often replace worn tires when they’re getting a used car ready to sell."}},{"startTime":142.0,"endTime":147.4,"type":"term","title":"new interior","url":"/glossary/new-interior","quote":"[137.6s] But he loves selling every car that we can get our hands on,\n[142.0s] even if we got it for $100 and all it needed was a new interior or tires or whatever.\n[147.4s] Props to the Hananiah group for not having a coronary when he used car manager buys a Rolls","canonicalId":"term:new-interior","priority":0.22,"confidence":0.52,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“New interior” refers to replacing or redoing the cabin materials (seats, upholstery, trim) to improve the car’s retail condition. It’s mentioned as part of the reconditioning work that can turn a cheap acquisition into a sellable vehicle.","simplifiedExplanation":"“New interior” means fixing or replacing the inside of the car so it looks and feels better. 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The host is saying they also sell older, high-mileage trucks, which changes what kind of loan approval is realistic for buyers.","imageAttribution":"Wlb5V (CC BY-SA 4.0)"}},{"startTime":199.9,"endTime":214.1,"type":"topic","title":"affordability and automotive today","url":"/glossary/affordability-and-automotive-today","quote":"“So Evan, one of the most talked about issues on Daily Dealer Live is affordability and automotive today. I spoke to Afson, matching a consumer to a vehicle that they can afford.”","canonicalId":"topic:affordability-and-automotive-today","priority":0.35,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"This segment focuses on affordability as a core challenge for first-time buyers in auto retail. It frames how lenders’ criteria and inventory choices affect whether shoppers can actually get financed.","simplifiedExplanation":"They’re talking about how hard it can be for people to afford a car and still get approved for financing. The discussion connects that to what dealers can offer quickly."}},{"startTime":214.1,"endTime":220.5,"type":"topic","title":"Getting deals done approved quickly","url":"/glossary/getting-deals-done-approved-quickly","quote":"“Getting deals done approved quickly. Talk to me about that as a challenge at your dealership.”","canonicalId":"topic:getting-deals-done-approved-quickly","priority":0.4,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"The hosts discuss how deal approval speed is a friction point in the dealership process. The idea is that slow approvals (or needing to resubmit) can cause shoppers to switch to another dealer.","simplifiedExplanation":"They’re talking about how quickly the dealership can get the loan approved. If it drags on, the buyer gets frustrated and may go buy from another dealer."}},{"startTime":246.4,"endTime":253.0,"type":"term","title":"subprime deals","url":"/glossary/subprime-deals","quote":"“...first time buyers, you know, subprime deals, no money down. You know, you may have a Toyota that doesn't book out well at all...”","canonicalId":"term:subprime-deals","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Subprime deals” are auto loans offered to borrowers with weaker credit profiles. Lenders often require different terms and may approve only certain vehicles or lenders’ preferred inventory.","simplifiedExplanation":"A “subprime deal” is a car loan for someone with lower credit scores. Because the lender sees more risk, they may be pickier about which cars they’ll finance."}},{"startTime":250.7,"endTime":253.0,"type":"term","title":"no money down","url":"/glossary/no-money-down","quote":"“...first time buyers, you know, subprime deals, no money down. You know, you may have a Toyota that doesn't book out well at all...”","canonicalId":"term:no-money-down","priority":0.45,"confidence":0.85,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“No money down” means the buyer doesn’t pay an upfront down payment to start the loan. In practice, it can increase the amount financed and may affect lender approval criteria and interest/terms.","simplifiedExplanation":"“No money down” means you don’t put cash upfront when you buy the car. The lender usually finances more of the purchase price, which can change approval and loan terms."}},{"startTime":253.0,"endTime":262.7,"type":"term","title":"books out","url":"/glossary/books-out","quote":"“...you may have a Toyota that doesn't book out well at all, but you have a Honda that books out amazing. And you just didn't know that that's what the bank essentially wanted...”","canonicalId":"term:books-out","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.75,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Books out” refers to how well a vehicle/stock unit performs in the lender’s underwriting or approval process—i.e., whether it reliably gets financed. Dealers may learn that certain makes/models “book out” better with specific banks, affecting which inventory they place first-time buyers into.","simplifiedExplanation":"“Books out” is dealer shorthand for whether a car is likely to get approved/financed by a lender. Some cars are easier to get financed than others with certain banks."}},{"startTime":301.4,"endTime":306.5,"type":"term","title":"financing approval","url":"/glossary/financing-approval","quote":"“...if customer comes in, they're on one vehicle and you walk down the road from a financing approval standpoint and it's the wrong road, you actually have to back all the way up and then resubmit...”","canonicalId":"term:financing-approval","priority":0.6,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Financing approval” is the lender’s decision to approve a buyer for an auto loan (and often the specific vehicle and terms). In dealership workflows, delays or re-submissions can slow the deal and push shoppers to competitors.","simplifiedExplanation":"“Financing approval” is when the bank/lender says yes to the car loan. If it takes too long or has to be redone, the buyer may get frustrated and buy somewhere else."}},{"startTime":331.6,"endTime":339.1,"type":"concept","title":"speed to decision","url":"/glossary/speed-to-decision","quote":"So, you got to. Success in 2026 in automotive is speed to decision and the accurate decision and being able to relay that, convey that to the consumer.","canonicalId":"concept:speed-to-decision","priority":0.45,"confidence":0.85,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Speed to decision” means how quickly a dealership can move a shopper from questions to an actual financing/approval decision. In practice, faster decisions reduce drop-off because customers don’t feel stalled or forced to shop elsewhere.","simplifiedExplanation":"“Speed to decision” is how fast the dealership can give you a clear yes/no and a workable deal. If it takes too long, people get frustrated and may go buy somewhere else."}},{"startTime":365.8,"endTime":379.0,"type":"concept","title":"time to sale","url":"/glossary/time-to-sale","quote":"So, you know, time to sale is kind of like the biggest thing we look at here. How fast can we get the cars through the shop, get them through detail, get them on the lot, get them photoed, and then get them out of here","canonicalId":"concept:time-to-sale","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Time to sale” is how long a dealer keeps a car on the lot before it sells. The longer it sits, the more money it ties up in inventory costs and the more the car can “age” (lose value or require extra reconditioning).","simplifiedExplanation":"“Time to sale” means how many days a car sits at the dealership before someone buys it. If it takes too long, the dealership loses money because the car is taking up space and may need more work later."}},{"startTime":401.4,"endTime":407.1,"type":"concept","title":"borrower","quote":"our approach is how do we empower Evan with as much information as possible to help him with that borrower against all of the vehicles that he has in inventory, right?","canonicalId":"concept:borrower","priority":0.35,"confidence":0.65,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"In dealership financing, a “borrower” is the customer applying for the loan (or financing) who will be responsible for repaying it. The speaker’s point is that the dealer needs better, faster information to match the borrower with an appropriate financing outcome.","simplifiedExplanation":"A “borrower” is the person taking out the car loan. The dealership is trying to figure out what loan terms fit that person."}},{"startTime":410.8,"endTime":416.0,"type":"concept","title":"single offer, single vehicle","url":"/glossary/single-offer-single-vehicle","quote":"I think the industry started with this kind of single offer, single vehicle, and there was a lot of back and forth between Evan and the lender, right?","canonicalId":"concept:single-offer-single-vehicle","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.8,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Single offer, single vehicle” describes a process where a lender/financing outcome is generated for one specific car at a time. The speaker contrasts this with a workflow that compares multiple offers across multiple vehicles so the dealer can match the customer faster.","simplifiedExplanation":"This means the dealership starts by trying to get one financing offer for one specific car. The alternative they’re describing is comparing multiple options so you can find the best fit sooner."}},{"startTime":420.7,"endTime":435.9,"type":"concept","title":"multi-multi-basis","url":"/glossary/multi-multi-basis","quote":"So, we kind of think about it on a multi-multi-basis, right? Multiple offers against multiple pieces of inventory, and then he's enabled to kind of figure out how to solve that problem","canonicalId":"concept:multi-multi-basis","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.78,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Multi-multi-basis” refers to evaluating multiple financing offers across multiple pieces of inventory (cars) at the same time. The goal is to reduce back-and-forth with the lender and let the dealer quickly determine which car/payment structure best fits the customer.","simplifiedExplanation":"Instead of checking one car at a time, the dealer looks at several cars and several financing options together. 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It’s usually done when you’re closer to getting an actual loan approval and rate."}},{"startTime":596.0,"endTime":616.8,"type":"term","title":"soft pull","url":"/glossary/soft-pull","quote":"[589.5s] You know, further down the process, it'll be a hard pull to kind of like solidify it.\n[596.0s] But up front, it's soft pulls around that we go.\n[599.7s] How do you explain that difference, Evan?","canonicalId":"term:soft-pull","priority":0.85,"confidence":0.95,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"A soft pull is a credit check that doesn’t meaningfully affect a consumer’s credit score. Dealers use it early to estimate eligibility and pricing without the same scoring impact as a hard pull.","simplifiedExplanation":"A soft pull is a credit check that’s basically a low-impact peek at your credit. It usually doesn’t hurt your credit score the way a full credit check can."}},{"startTime":641.3,"endTime":679.7,"type":"brand","title":"upstart","url":"/glossary/upstart","quote":"[641.3s] And then the consumer picks, or how you go into the upstart portal, \n[650.1s] You first have to have the customer information fully loaded in upstart.\n[655.7s] I put up starts credit app on my website.","canonicalId":"brand:upstart","priority":0.7,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Upstart is a digital lending platform that dealers can use to submit a credit application and get financing offers quickly. In this workflow, the dealer sends customer and vehicle details so Upstart can generate rate/offer options.","simplifiedExplanation":"Upstart is an online company that helps arrange car financing. The dealer inputs your info and the car details, and it returns financing offers faster than traditional back-and-forth."}},{"startTime":655.7,"endTime":672.1,"type":"term","title":"credit app","url":"/glossary/credit-app","quote":"[655.7s] I put up starts credit app on my website. \n[661.6s] I say, Hey, great, I'm gonna send you credit up real quick. Pull on my phone.\n[665.1s] Here's the credit app, send it to their phone, or I hand them an iPad.","canonicalId":"term:credit-app","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.75,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"A credit app here means an online credit application form submitted to a lender platform. It’s the step where the dealer collects customer data and sends it to the financing system to generate offers.","simplifiedExplanation":"In this context, a credit app is the form that collects your information for a loan. The dealer submits it so the lender can decide what financing you qualify for."}},{"startTime":689.5,"endTime":694.7,"type":"term","title":"doc stamps","quote":"[684.5s] it's got a snow plow, it's like, I don't have to do all that. \n[689.5s] And then all of our fees already loaded in there and the doc stamps and everything.\n[694.7s] literally just hit submit and then you'll have a decision within 10 seconds.","canonicalId":"term:doc-stamps","priority":0.6,"confidence":0.65,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Doc stamps are documentary stamp taxes/fees charged on certain loan and title documents, depending on the state. Dealers may include them in the financing package so the customer sees a more complete “all-in” cost."}},{"startTime":857.66,"endTime":862.9,"type":"term","title":"negative equity","url":"/glossary/negative-equity","quote":"That works both ways, right? Negative equity with great credit is elevated risk for us. 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Where you may have, you know,\n[872.5s] signal around marginal credit score, but then strong income that offsets risk from us,","canonicalId":"term:payment-to-income","priority":0.45,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Payment-to-income is a lending metric that compares your monthly debt payments (including the new car payment) to your monthly income. It helps lenders estimate whether you can afford the payment even if your credit score is borderline.","simplifiedExplanation":"Payment-to-income is basically a “can you afford it?” check. It compares your monthly bills to your monthly income to see if the car payment fits comfortably."}},{"startTime":891.9,"endTime":899.1,"type":"term","title":"AI financing","url":"/glossary/ai-financing","quote":"So Ben, I'm seeing a lot of conversation around AI financing. 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Is there a component of the AI or the machine learning that tends to better evaluate that risk and better price it?","canonicalId":"term:machine-learning","priority":0.6,"confidence":0.88,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Machine learning is a type of AI where models learn patterns from historical data to predict outcomes like loan default risk. In this segment, it’s presented as a way to evaluate first-time buyers more accurately than a credit score alone.","simplifiedExplanation":"Machine learning is a way computers learn from past examples. In lending, it can help predict who will pay back a car loan by using more than just the credit score."}},{"startTime":1014.9,"endTime":1027.4,"type":"term","title":"credit score","url":"/glossary/credit-score","quote":"Not all first time buyers are credit equal, right? That's true. We're going to always be looking for factors that offset that fact that they've never bought a car before, right?","canonicalId":"term:credit-score","priority":0.7,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"A credit score is a numeric summary of a borrower’s credit history used by lenders to estimate default risk. The hosts argue that for first-time buyers, the score can be misleading because it may not reflect other positive signals like stable income or payment history on other accounts.","simplifiedExplanation":"A credit score is a number lenders use to guess how likely you are to pay back a loan. The point here is that first-time buyers can have a weak score for reasons that don’t necessarily mean they’re a bad borrower."}},{"startTime":1056.6,"endTime":1061.9,"type":"concept","title":"deal structure","url":"/glossary/deal-structure","quote":"So we don't look at every first time buyer the same way. 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It can include the terms and requirements that change how hard the loan is to manage, especially for someone buying their first car."}},{"startTime":1061.9,"endTime":1073.4,"type":"concept","title":"friction","url":"/glossary/friction","quote":"It occurs to me as we talk about this AI and this machine learning and the speed to the decision, the reduced reduction in friction.","canonicalId":"concept:friction","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.75,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"In lending, “friction” means the steps and delays that make it harder or slower to complete an application and get a decision. The segment ties reduced friction to faster approvals, especially for borrowers who are good risks but lack traditional credit history.","simplifiedExplanation":"Here, “friction” means the hassle and delays in getting approved for financing. 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