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Dave Polage. Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio on

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lower buying all these presents and clothes and stuff for these kids that need help with Christmas. So it is. This month is always really really busy for

us. We stay extremely actively involved and busy and it wears me out and

you can tell them just dad a bit tired. But I did manage this

week to get out and bout and do as you guys know, one of my favorite things, and visit a bunch of different garages. And I'm gonna

tell you it's interesting. This year I think has been just a little some

of the same stuff, guys, but just a little bit different in conversations as the economy has been playing a big effect in everybody's life. I sat

back and I listened to a lot of conversations this week with customers and auto garages, and that brings us to the topic of the show this week.

The struggle is real, and that's them what we name the show. Just

listening to people talk about trying to find a way to really make the money last and make the right decisions with their money. It's been really interesting,

uh, just talking with customers and stuff. As they sit and they wait

for their car, they try to make decisions or they're sitting in lobbies and stuff. When I'm hanging out in auto garages and stuff. Like I said,

I love to go to our friend's garages and just kind of sitting.

I don't meddle, but I like to have have conversations because I just want to see where people's space cameras. That's metaling I'm talking about, see what's

going on. But I actually like to know what's going on. I know

what's inside customers head because a makes for great conversation with us here on the show. But I find with having some of these conversations, I don't think

this is really new. We obviously we know that the economy is not really

where you want it. I mean, if you're watching any of the news

platforms that you guys want to and people put different spins on it, I get it depends on what channel you're listening to, what you're rooting for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you're rooting for. But this is WKQA

Freight and Radio. But you know it's your dollargist isn't going as far as

you guys want it to. We can put any spin on it that we

want to, but I mean, I know I feel in the grocery store and I or everywhere else. It is one of those situations where when it

comes time to make a car repair or you have a major breakdown or something like that, you have to make some hard decisions. So talking with customers,

a lot of decisions that they're making really comes down to repair or buy something new or maybe something slightly used. I mean when I say new,

I mean sometimes new to them. It may not be a brand new car,

but it will be new to them kind of car. And that decision

is not lightly made. You know. I listen to people go, well,

I'm gonna need to think about this, and then you know that means they're leaving the repair shop. They let the car sit there for a day

or two while they make a decision. Very common at repair shops. And

a lot of times when somebody says I think I need to make a decision, that means they're gonna go worse and look possibly of buying a new car.

And I get it. I know how you guys do, and I

understand. But here's some of the situations I ran into this week. You

know, I talked to some people had twenty sixteens, twenty nineteens, and they needed four or five thousand dollars repairs on their cars for some major breakdown stuff, and at that point were talking with them. They were like,

I did. I kind of got online and we went to a dealership and

you started really valuing your car. Yeah, they did. They start They're

like, I really started kind of taking a better look at my car because I you know, I've told you guys, people just inherently get in their vehicle and just drive. They turn the key, it starts. I told

you guys, this's a million times, and it takes them where they want to go. And that is the extent of maybe throwing some soap and water

on it every once in a while, that's the extent of their Even sometimes you're like hearing a noise and stuff, some people will rather just be like, oh, it's just a noise until that check engine like comes on or something really doesn't work in the morning, they're not bringing that car in, you know, Okay. And that's why we say, get yourself to me

a perfect exam for you. How many times have you gotten into somebody's car

and they go all the time. Do you hear that I've gotten people's cars

all the time I sit down the passenger seat and they're like, do you hear that? And maybe it's because I'm a car guy and they just want

my opinion, but that happens a lot to me where I'm just I'm like, oh, you drive, I don't feel like driving, And you guys know I like to drive, but I'm just, you know, sometimes I don't have I don't have any problem with somebody else driving, and I'll sit down the passenger seat. We'll be getting down the road and all of a

sudden, they look at me to go. Did you hear that? I

thought I started hearing something last week and I'm like, oh, here we go. I don't because I don't. I don't know this is why you

wanted me to come with you. I don't know. I don't always want

to play car guys. Sometimes I just want to sit in a car and

go someplace. And I don't want to play. I don't want to be

the car guy. I just want to I want y. Yeah, I'm

just I'm not trying to diagnose the cars that go down the road. And

then you feel like, yeah, exactly you said. I feel like I

got asked to go, like I'll drive and it's because they didn't want to directly they asked me to look at their car, but they wanted me to look at their car. It's like you go in a grocery store and you

like get in a conversation and they're like, oh, can you come out of my car and like come diagnosed it, and you're like, yep, all right, let's let's see what you got going on. Yeah, like

I said, you get to that point where that's exactly what it is.

I just it's hard for me sometimes because yeah, I sometimes I can go, yeah, I do hear that noise, but I'm also not trying to get out of the car and spend a half hour, you know, out in the driveway now trying to figure out what's wrong the car. Figure.

I want to just decompress. But I also get it. People have hard

decisions to make with a car and they're trying to figure out what's going on the car. So, like I said, going around to hey after the

show can with me in my car When when I see people in garage and they're trying to make those decisions, it is a very very hard decision to make. I have said, you guys heard me on the show talk about

before. One of the hardest decisions is trying to decide what to do with

your money on a car. Because something that auto garages say all the time

to somebody, it needs X amount of dollars with a repair. This car

is broken, you need this. Your car's are broken. It needs that.

They say it to somebody twenty times a day. You may only hear

something like that one time in your life. For a large repair, we're

not talking about, you know, breaks, And I understand people's level of large repair is different in people's mind. Like if I told you you need

six hundred dollars worth of repair, you may think in your mind that's a large repair in your mind. And I get it that, Okay, six

hundred dollars is a lot of money. When I say large repair, I'm

talking about when you start to get to three four five thousand dollars repair and people go, well, it's not worth it. I'm just going to do

when explain, like what the part is used for? You know why it's

so much? Right, Well, I tell everybody one of the most important

things to do is to walk people out to the car if you can, and show them the level of brokeness on the car, right, you know, you can do that with breaks. You can do that with some things

underneath the hood. Now, if you got show them why they need Yeah,

if you've got to motor that's messed up, or you got a transmission this messed up, that's a lot harder to do sometimes transitions and not really you point to a car that is not making noise. See this sounds like,

this is what it sounds like. But when people go five thousand dollars,

there's a lot of money, and I go, you have to be able to break it down from you go, five thousand dollars is a lot of money. And it is true. Five thousand dollars a lot of money.

Okay, now we're talking about real money. And then you got to

explain that the labor part to a lot of people as well. Yeah,

yeah, absolutely when you know it, you know it's high nowadays as well.

And I absolutely agree with the fact that that's what it is. You

have to do that. But five thousand dollars, let's say on twenty nineteen.

So you let's say you have a twenty nineteen Toyota and it needs five thousand dollars repair. Like let's say on a transmission. Okay, that's at

that point, that isn't It is a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money when you consider the alternative of if you've tried to go buy another twenty nineteen, right, you're gonna be at thirty eight thousand dollars into buying that vehicle. So it's five thousand dollars or another car payment at

thirty eight thousand dollars, which one, you know what I mean? And

people go away. I can make I can make payments on thirty eight thousand

dollars a new car. You can make payments on a five thousand dollars repair.

Yeah, so I'm away one of the other. So the problem with

it, well, it also I mean, I think it also just depends.

You know, all right, how many miles is on the vehicle?

You know how many Is this repair going to last me six months? Is

it going to last me two years? You know what's the better route for

our and so I broke this down. Okay, So the average repair guys,

let's say, if you do the transmission, you could be three to five thousand dollars, right, But if you have a twenty nineteen and you do the miles and stuff like that, and the average miles used to be fifteen thousand miles a year. Now it's gone up, by the way,

it's almost twenty thousand miles a year. So let's just say fifteen thousand miles.

You put a one hundred and thirty thousand miles on a vehicle within that time period. So the average vehicle one hundred thirty thousand miles on the vehicle

at low miles is what's considered nowadays. So if you went bought a twenty

nineteen to replace it with, and you're gonna pay thirty eight thousand dollars for it, you're gonna have close to one hundred and thirty thousand miles on that replacement vehicle, which is right at the time that things need to start to be replaced anyways. Replace anyways, I'm not saying it's kind of a major

breakdown, but you're gonna do some major maintenance to that vehicle. So you're

gonna pick up a vehicle up keep that's at the and then when you pick it up you might have to like replace times, you're gonna do some things to it. So all that stuff, you know, kind of folds into

it. The car is a money pit. No matter which way you look

at the most expensive thing you invest in, it just is from house to car. That's the next big thing. Unless you've got some really strange hobby

that exceeds the value of a car. Those are the two most expensive things

you go into. So I feel for some of these people that got a

chance to sit and I talk with because they really are making life, especially when kids are involved in all that kind of stuff, because you know, I tell everybody kids alter and you're making the for the car for your kids a lot of times because they've got to get places. You got to pick

them up, take them a daycare, you know, taking a soccer press.

Sometimes it is the kid's car, yeah, or the kid's got to get to college or whatever. It is. Your car is your kid.

It is in your case, yeah, exactly. So it like I said,

like this, I get the struggle. This struggle is real, and

I do get the struggle. But there's a lot of decisions to be made

when it comes to repairs. And if you really break it down and you

break down the science, I can pay off three to five thousand dollars quicker than I can another jumping into another car payment and you know your car.

If you pick up another used car and then I'm gonna go buy brand new.

Sure you are for fifty thousand dollars. Now you're fifty thousand dollars commitment

and hold another car for something you could have fixed for three to five thousand dollars. Doesn't you get in the question what's new to you? Well,

here's the take three or five thousand dollars to break it down at the course of two years. It's a better investment to fix your car if you can

get it good. If you can just get two more years out of that

car with a three to five thousand dollars investment, that's a better invest I spent for another two years sometimes and it has taken on a brand new car paying for Sometimes sometimes people are just too quick to pull the trigger on some decisions when it comes to money. You know, it is you know what,

Brother's not right, It's like, well, I mean I thought long ahard you did, especially you know in the market and stuff. You know,

it was like either you know, pay like fifty grand for a brand new car and stuff, or you know, pay for a decent car.

You know, you're paying fifteen twenty and stuff I wanted something brand new that someone didn't touch, and stuff that you know I could have first ownership.

But you're paying for that that quality. At the end of the day,

though, you have to make that decision fifty thousand dollars car paying for a brand new car or three five thousand dollars repair the hard decision to make.

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your host Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back to the show.

So if you guys were with us first first segment, we're talking about the struggle is real. So I got another struggle for you guys, other than

just trying to figure out, you know, the money situation of trying to fix and repair the car and everything else like that, it goes a little deeper when you're trying to fix some repair your car. Here's a situation that

we're running into in the auto garage world and stuff, and I know customers are on the far side of it, and repair shops that listen to this show, you guys know how you fall on this on the other side of the coin. Imagine we've talked about this before, taking your car to the

repair shop and the part. You can't get the part for the car.

Okay, it's on national back order. We talked about national back orders before,

yep, but it's six month waiting list. Where did The problem that

I had is is the repair shop, as in the independent repair shop, catches all the heat for that. You as the customer, are mad as

can be, and it's the repair shop's fault. It's nobody else's. They

are mad at the repair shop because you don't have the part. Then they're

mad at the manufacturer. But even though it's the manufacturer's fault, is they're

still you because you're manufacturer. And it's because, to be honest, you're

the front man. You know, you're the You're the person that picks up

the phone says, hey, this is what's going on in your car, And you're also the person that's going to say, I hope you have a great day after fixing there car. You know, but you know what tell

us about you gave him like really really bad news is like to me, sometimes it's it's habit for places to say it we have a great day.

It's almost kind of setting when you say have a great day after you gave somebody like really bad that goes back to what you just said earlier, you know, the repair shop. It just sometimes gets so used to saying it

over and over you got to think about what you're saying. But it goes.

But it goes both ways, though it does, because you know, I forgot I was gonna go with this. He was like, I think

you mean like it goes both ways because it matters how like the customer reacts.

Because there's some moments where if you're a customer and you are angry and hostile and it's bad to say it like this but why does the repair shop want to help you if you're Yeah, because they're in the business to help you, right. But it's also like, and that's where you've been.

You've also been to that point where if you do just push and shove just a little bit more, that person might be more willing to help you.

You've met people where they don't really want to do that you you bullied your way through to make and want to help you. You You've we've all been

there where there's people that just don't want to do the jobs. You gotta

kind of jump to good job if you never really know where they're at, right, is it really on back order? Are you just a little lazy

to call the next shop to see if they got a partner? But then

that's when we go into the just going just a little bit more into depth of the repair, you know, like you were saying, maybe the repair shop just needs to explain more about the repair and stuff. That's more going

into the effect of I think if we just repair, we go more into the depth of this is why we need your repair, then the customer will understand, you know, and then start That's how you can start bringing down the anger you know, but continue what you're about to say. The issue

with it for me is is the national back order side of things. There's

a lot of parts. So I keep on hearing about national back order,

like you just can't get it. I don't know when we're gonna get and

that's you can't get it from any other part supplier. You call all your

like regular part suppliers and it's only dealership only. You can only get through

the dealership. And then you call them and it's like it's on national backward.

I can't tell you when it's when we're gonna get one. You on

the list, but I have fifty four people that have been on the list and they've been on the list for two months. That's what they say to

you, you know what I mean. So then you call the customer,

You're like, I got terrible news for you, and then the the just the the outlashing starts, and then what do you do. I guess I'm

just curious with the listeners, think where where is that? There's only so

many calls we can make a Why am I getting destroyed over it? When

you know what I mean, there's nothing I can do. There's there's no

one about cursing me out or anything, you know what I mean, like that you could do that would change it. As an autogarage side of things,

there's nothing you can say, bully, be mad at me that's going to change the outcomes. So I don't I guess I kind of is it

because out of just frustration, you think you need to yell at somebody, But that's not going to fix anything. Like I still, it's still not

going to change the fact that it's not going to fix the order. And

I have us us as professionals in the repairs up as many calls as we get about that day as frustrated customers. You know, we still can put

on a smile behind the phone and still try to help the customer even though they are bullying us in to try to help them. You know, there's

no help to be had, there's no help to be had, but we're trying. No matter how mad the customer is, we are still trying our

hardest. I think this shop. Do you really think auto garages want your

car to sit there in their parking lot and take they want to pay space.

No, they really wanted to fix your car, get it out of there and make the money. They have no reason to want to hang onto

your car. They truly want to get rid of your car. I say

that all the time, and I know it's hard for people to believe.

Like even troubled cars like you get cars or just painting the butt you can you were trying to find there's a it's a problem vehicle. It's got a

million problems. Every time you fix something, something else breaks and people go,

well, I've been waiting a week for my car, and I've been working on your car for a week trying to figure out all the problems.

But the problem with it is is you done come into the problem and there's other cars that come into the shop that you have to get out the door too. You can't just take every single technician and throw them on that one

car and that you can't do anything else. It just doesn't work that way.

And some some cars require you to work through it. So a lot

of times if you have a really troubled car, sometimes you are working on the car later at night, like when everything slows down. You're bringing that

troll car where everything is slowed down, and you can you can really break it in. You break it down, you can focus on that car because

it's such a problem forr especially electrical problems, all that kind of stuff.

You plug one hole and then you got two other hole that happens in the auto field, and you try to explain that sometimes the customer. Some customers

get it and they're very appreciative. Some are not. You just run into

those problems, and I just always wonder when the cut if the customer truly gets the fact that sometimes there's nothing you can do on back order stuff problems that you're trying to solve and figure it out. You know, you all

the crazy stuff that happens in an autoha, do you ever think that a manufacturer might come up with like a solution for it. Like we have all

of these brand new cars that just sit on lots, and we always talk about inventory problems and stuff. Why don't we start taking like, Okay,

if we know this part's gonna be on back order for about six months a year, why don't we somehow create a system where we do get that person in a very new vehicle, and like you can set it up where new vehicles you can only drive two hundred miles, you know, until that vehicle can't be used. How many times vehicle. Now is it though, because

think about how many times you've gone to a dealership, you've released it to a customer. It's considered a used vehicle at that point in time, it's

gonna be okay. Then put them in used vehicles, put them in used

vehicles, and then to put a two hundred mile cap on it happens.

There's so much liability. I feel the liability goes into that used There's just

no way. But it's fun funny you bring that up because this week that

was actually part of the conversation. It was like, it's on national back

ord for six months. Why I can't be out with my car six months?

You're gonna to call a dealership and see if they'll give you another car to go into that insurance, Like, there's nothing I can do for you.

I didn't create the back order on the part. I mean, call

your manufacturer and see what they want. Insurance I know that he well,

he mentioned insurance, and we mentioned insurance a lot. But insurance only covers

you for so much. You know, By the way, did you know

you can't get a rental vehicle until the police actually does a diagnostic on the vehicle. Yeah, you know, you know the diagnosis has been done.

Well, I'm just talking about like he's talking about, like, well, go get it, go get a rental, you know, from the insurre because you know, here's the thing. Sometimes companies don't give you a rental

because your car well you know you got the cheat. It's not well,

it's not it's one thing that's been crashed. It's another thing because it's got

a broken part. A lot of times you can't get away for however they

were. It's just it's one of those things. Like I said, the

struggle, the struggle on it is is crazy real for a lot of people, the way that that works out, truly it is. But on the

other hand, you know, I get people like I'm just gonna go buy another car. I'm like, well, this one's still got to be put

back together, Like you still got to do something with this car. It

holds no value in a million pieces. Well, I think that's that's where

like cars get left on lots comes from into play. Yep, yeah,

no, I agree with you. I I because you know, we talk

about all the time, plan for the customer, like I do I feel bad for the customer, like I I but there's nothing that you can There's nothing I can say, do or offer them to change their problem. Like

withinside the industry, you know what I mean, Like that I could offer help and say, hey, this is what you should tell your auto garage, this is how they should work that. Trust me, we've already tried

everything we can try, you know, and ununctionally, you've already everything we can try. Well, you got to do business standard too, right,

so like you can't really sell them or you don't really want to sell a used part either, but you know that could get you down the road for the meantime, But you can't as a business do it either. You can't

put a used clutching a car. So if it's a clutch problem, you're

not putting You're not putting used clutching a car, you know what I mean.

If it's a transmission problem, you're not putting used clutches in a transmission if they're on national back order. You know what I mean, Like,

you're not right, That's what I'm saying as a as a business, right, So yeah, I mean I mean, if you're doing it yourself and you really need to get down the road, yeah, it's it's it's just it's one of those situations where you just aren't getting You're not you're not doing that, you know, I mean you're not. There's a lot of different

thing you know, I'm not I'm not putting the used light bulb like this is true, Like I'm not putting to use light bulb. And then because

you can, but in the light the light assembly is on national back order, you know. I mean, these are some of the things we're running

into in the industry, crazy parts, Like they're like, well, let me just get you it's the crazy solutions that you have to come up with.

It is, it's it's absolutely just to the point where it is set up crazy crazy. It's it's hard. It's it's amazing to me that it

just the industry is what the industry is with and it's not just one manufacturer, it's every manufacturer. And the problem with it is because there's once again

I'll tell you, there's certain people who produce parts and they make the parts for a lot of the different cars that are out there. Even though it's

different manufacturers, there's you know, certain companies they make they'll run Honda parts this week and Toyta parts that week, and you know what I mean, And they're making all the parts for these cars that are in there. That's

the reason why the national back order stuff starts to affect a lot of different manufacturers. One part supplier that's making a lot of parts for all these different

cars. We've talked about that before and it's in the news again this week.

But I gotta take quick commercial break. You guys may know what I'm

hinting to. If you guys been watching the news, We'll talk about it.

You guys, hold tight. I'll be right back and we're gonna jump

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automotive specialist. Now back to your host, Dave Polach. Hey, guys,

welcome back to the show. So keep on with the whole struggle thing,

right, It's real. It's real struggles real. So I know because

I just had to go spend what was it, eight hundred dollars on parts in my car and I've still got a b buy apart. Man. Think

about it, I've been eight hundred dollars on apart and it always happens.

You get back to the garage and there's something you miss, but you think you have everything for you, but you are like the example of what not to do right. It's like you don't want to. You don't want to

I mean not being mean, right, but it's like you don't want to wait all the way till the last minute to do all of the maintenance.

You kind of want to do it a little bit. He was doing a

little bit. Money laid off. He was doing a little bit of maintenance,

and then and then Cameron laid off. Camera still has parts sitting on

the workbench from last year that he started doing. I kid you not,

you know, being car guys. The radio is still so you know,

I tell you you know. Camera started off here as an intern. Cameron

is our computer guy. We turned Cameron into a car guy, even with

him being my son. Yea caen More computer and he likes cars, but

he loves to drive fast cars. But Cameron is the one who's a car

guy who particularly doesn't like to work on the car. He'd rather have somebody

else do the work and him just drop it needs to be worked on it.

I have parts sitting in the garage as backup. Perfectly. We bought

a bunch of parts for his car, and then last Christmas time last year, we brought him, yes, it was last Christmas, and he installed about three quarters of him and the harder ones to get to that were gonna be the hardest ones are still sitting on the work bench here. We are

giving them back around a Christmas time. Hey, I put them out last

week, Okay, so now put them out Now. He has a bunch

of parts he bought for himself for other things that now the cars come around that it's time to do it for maintenance, and he's like, Okay, I need to put these on, plus the parts I didn't get around to put it on last last year. Exactly what it is, but they were

some parts backward. But he has his own worst nightmare. But back order

parts and problem parts in the struggle, right, It's not just affects yah, Yeah, it affects everybody. You guys know that we covered for years

this topic, so this will not be anything new for anybody who's been listening for a while. For those of you that just start listening, it's a

flashback. And uh, Tocata airbags. I told you guys that we had

never heard the end of Takata airbags. And I'm not picking on them.

The reality of it is, like I just talked about in the last segment of talking about parts and back orders and all that kind of stuff. Manufacturers

go to a supplier to make things for their cars. That's what they do.

They go to that supplier. And I said, even though at that

point in time, Honda was being picked on for the Takata airbags, I was like, I know from being in the industry, Takata had their hands and a lot of manufacturers cars, and you didn't hear anybody picking on any of these other manufacturers. And then slowly you start hearing about this person was

voluntarily taking cars in and looking at things, and this manufacturer was slowly taking things in. And I was like, they're slowly taking things in because they

know that they had the same inflators in those cars, or in inflator very similar that probably it's gonna have the same problem. Is this bade by Takata.

And everybody's like you think, I'm like, I don't think, I know. I know that you're gonna You're never going to hear the end of

this. This is gonna keep on going, This keep on going because they

made so many airbags for so many different manufacturers. But yet we focused right

on Honda and kept on beating up on Honda. And I was like they're

in other cars. We're just you're just not hearing about I'm not just the

only ones, you know, there's somebody yeh, absolutely. I'm like,

cause they were trying to put their hands in everybody's company and they were doing really good, and people just kept going to Kada. They just kept on

Takada for years, buying airbags for the longest time. They were reliable.

They were reliable, and I'm like, so, you know, everybody was so pinpoint focused on what was going on Honda. It's like you're watching this

hand and not paying attention with the other hands doing and that's exactly what was going on. So here you are what this week you got? BMW is

now another one that's in the notes for it. The full list. I'll

give you the full list right now as a right now, BMW was added to the list. Their X fives were actually added to the list. They're

twenty fourteen models. But right now, as of today, the current list

it affects Akroas from two thousand and two to two thousand and threes, which is problem yep is a Honda. You got the Hondas from two thousand and

one to two thousand and two Honda Chords, the two thousand and one to two thousand and two Honda Civics, as well as the Cervs, Odyssey's and pilots off ranging from two thousand and two to two thousand and three. And

then of course you got Chrysler and Dodges vehicles are alwaysting. Nobody I want

to talk about the Chrysler and Dodge suggestion. Nobody wanted, you know,

and I said it. I said it out loud. I was like,

I know Chrysler and Dodge has to cauta stuff in it, but nobody was talking about it. And I was like, I know it does, but

it like the little hush hush. Those are those ones that like Chrysler,

it hit a big year range. It hit from two thousand and five to

twenty ten. Christ are three hundreds, while Dodge Dodge it attacked four different

models of their cars from two thousand and five to twenty ten. You had

to go against the Madenum, you had to go against the Charger. Also,

see it went against the Challenger and the fifteen hundred. But you're not

there done yet. You also had to attack the the Masa B series was

what it was going towards and there's just more runs. Yeah, and there's

just more just keep coming, you know it hits keep on coming. Like

like I said, and we if you guys go back and listen to some of the old shows. When this first start hitting and we were talking about

it, I predicted it. I was like, you're just you're never this

is gonna be a never ending list. And slowly, over time years to

come, I said, You're gonna hear a little more ones squeak out here and squeak out there. I'm like, because manufacturers make parts for so many

cars, there's only so many part manufacturers out there. Like the run of

the way that the parts run, they work, and it's just being in the automotive and having an opportunity to tour some facilities over the years, which has been cool. You know, they do these little trips and stuff where

you get you know, people in the automotive industry. You get to go

take tours and these plants and make these auto parts and it gets to like, you know, they do a fly you out and you get to do look at these you know everything they do and you get these luncheons. You

stay in hotels, the little corporate parties and stuff like that. And I've

been on those trips and you can see it, and then you get to understand that, Wow, they're making parts for Toyota, this type of Toyota car, and they're making this for this Chevy and they're you know, what they do is there's production days, and they run production for this part on this day or that on that day. Cycle and it's just a cycle.

And they're like they have their hands in everything. And then that's the reason

why, Like so car guys, you'll find out that a part swaps on four different manufacturers. They're using the exact same part on that car and in

our switches on cars and I'm just talking about between an Accurate and a Honda.

I'm talking about you'll find out, like between a Toyota and a Chevy uses the exact same part because that's they manufactured and designed that car and they borrowed the part from here to use it on this one. And that happens

a lot. But also happens is when something fails it becomes a part affects

so many different you know, manufacturers because of that reason. So it's just

absolutely crazy the way that works. There's a couple more numbers for you.

It looks like it was fifty two or fifty six point one million airbags that were affected, twenty three point two million words front driver backs, yeah, and then you had about twenty point nine million being the passenger airbags. BMW

was known about, but they actually upgraded it this week to a do not drive. Yeah. I mean, look, I can't tell you. You

know, there was a lot of lawsuits over those airbags were coming up, and they say that, you know, they caused serious hearted people and stuff, and you could dig through those stories yourself and go through them, but at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know, would you want to be behind the wheel knowing that there could you know people, Oh, I'm not worried about it. It's not like it's gonna get me.

I don't know. That's a bigger one head. Another thing I think

people forget and which would be good to let our viewers know. You know,

it's not just for these newer vehicles. You could have a two thousand

and too. You could have a two thousand and five or two thousand and

eight, no matter what year, they're always coming out with recalls for some of these vehicles, so it go check your VIN number, ground your vent number, go type it in. I get bagging on too, cod.

I'm not because obviously you know they're in it now and they're trying to get them pulled and recall whatever they can stuff like that, so it's not like they're not trying to be on top of it. And I don't know if

that was forced on top of it or if they volunteerily. I can't tell

you. You never know. There's so many stuff that happens behind the scenes.

You just don't But the reality is it's out there and they're trying to mitigate everything and the losses and try to figure it all out. But it

just goes to show you that they'll get back around. It might take some

time, but they'll get back around. Right. That's just another example of

how so many different parts intertwined to so many different vehicles, and that's how recalls and all that kind of stuff fit into that big, huge picture that you don't ever think about. And how you know. I remember people going,

what, my car's got to sit here because it's got an airbag problem.

It's got to sit here in the dealership to you guys can figure it out and what am I gonna do for a car? And it's like,

I don't have the answer for you for that. It's not not something we

did. There's only so much I can do, you know. It's like

said, I sold you the car, but I didn't realize, you know, how was I going to know it was going to have that problem in side of it, you know what I mean? And then of course the

front person takes all the blunt of that as falls all the way back around to that again. It's crazy how the car industry works in general behind the

scenes. When most people, like I said, they just get in,

they turn the key. As long as the car takes them where they want

to go. They don't have to deal with all that back slide stuff on

the on the on the back end of things of making all the pieces come together so that car continues to go down the road for the customer. It's

it's a crazy world out there when it comes to cars, Guys, from the customer's perspective of it and the repair perspective of it. People have their

own tunnel vision on both sides of it. And I understand that being on

both sides of it. You're never gonna get away from it. It's a

sticky situation, a sucky situation on both ends. Rather like I said,

right, the customer or the repair shop. Sometimes you just got to find

a way to meet in the middle and make it all work out and hopefully end up having a pleasant experience at the end of it. I tell you,

guys, I try to run that middle line on it because I've done both. So with that, keep in mind, it's not always pleasant.

You know, something's gonna turn over the apple cart. So I'm gonna go

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more for you. Did you ever wonder what cars look kind of you know,

out placed, but you wonder why there are always so many on the road and how that end up happening. We're gonna jump into that wold type

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Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So gready for this one?

What you get? You know, how you see like there's certain cars that

seem to make a huge, a huge impact like on us throughout the decade.

It was like it catches a wave and you see more and more up and you just never thought they really would like So came out and I got talking about it off the air before we came on today, and like he was he started asking, he's like, what cars you think? Like there

was an article he was reading, and I agree, I think I nailed like two of the ones that were in the article, but I started to think. I was like, there's so many more cars that had an impact

that follow more along like what we talk about, especially in different regions too.

They are For instance, like one of the ones I nailed was instantly I said, oh, I know, Volkswagen Bug. I don't think they

ever thought the Volkswagen Bug would ever be take off as popular as it did all the way way back then. Yeah you know volks especially who was made

by right right right, yeah, yeah model. It was the people's car.

But if y'all don't know, we go look up what I'm talking about.

But Volkswagen Bug was huge, especially like on the West Coast, even like me growing up, Volkswagen Bug was the cool car, Like every kid wanted to Volkswagen Buck. Like, you don't really see him in the East

Coast now we yeah, you don't like, but on the West Coast, everybody was lowering him down, making California style bugs out of them. It

was tons of them running around I would like a Herbie. So another one

was so I've given another one that there was tons of them. I don't,

I don't, and I think Chevy knocked it out of the park with it. It was, well, there's two different ones. So you had

the Geo Metro. Okay, so everybody remembers the Geo Metro. There was

tons, tons of them around. I know that these two are staring at

me, like, what are you talking about Geometro. I never thought,

you know, we're talking about these another small car, like you know, Volkswagen sized car. There was. They were everywhere and they ran like tanks.

Man. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I just run those things.

I don't think that you don't only see him anymore, but you did see him right like early. I don't think the world thought that would make

a big, huge impact like it did. That they would just run and

run and run and run and run. And what hashbags were really a good

thing too, Like I'm fing on hashbacks. I'm not figuring that that's like

one of those mini car styles. It's like I can reach and go grab

the I know a lot of people who had Geo Metros because they were cheap and they ran forever. So tell you a story about Geometro. I had

a guy come in at the dealership when I worked at the dealership with a Geo Metro and wanted to trade it in. I almost bought that car as

a commuter car. And I'm telling you why this guy he must have he

was commuting from here to DC back and forth. Right, he bought the

geo Metro. This is the strangest thing. He bought the Geometro, took

it to his shop, had him put full leather interior in a Geometro.

Okay, it was a five speed. He had him put power windows in

it, power locks in it, because it didn't come with it the model he bought. And I think that car had that option. Maybe it didn't,

I don't remember, but power windows in it, power locks in it.

He had him do full leather inside of it, and I mean they leathered it up. I mean you got the car. It was like a

luxury car the inside. He did an upgraded stereo system inside the car.

I mean you got inside the car and you're like, it's a Geometro.

This is a nice car inside it. I mean, he really had it.

But he got more customization. Yeah, he did a bunch of but

I think we gave him like nine hundred dollars for the car on a trade in, and I was like, in the car, I think the car still didn't have a whole lot of miles on. But he was moving up

to Akrola. He was going he was buying a Corolla. Not that he

was buying anything even more, right, but he was Corol is nicer than Geometri, don't be wrong. But but he was moving up to another small

car, commuter car, and I was I actually thought about buying the car just to commute, just for me to drive it like back and forth to work, right. I was like, I was like, man, I

was like, I knew, I knew I could get the car probably for like two hundred dollars more than the dealership paid for it. And I was

thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with it, but man, for like a couple hundred dollars more than what he paid for this thing's I mean it's it'd be. Yeah. I was like,

it's a good little commuter car. You just drives just intil it falls

down around your ears. So you know. Geometro was another one. Like

I said, Chevy knocked all the park off the s n P S ten pickup truck. I wanted the station wagons on it too. I got station

wagon. Did you see a lot of station wagons back then. Yeah,

well station wagons. I don't I think they knew station wagons were always a

hit because you know nowadays, but families had big families. They wanted something

to put them all in. I'm talking things that I think they did.

They really think that they were going to take off. Like I said,

the S ten pickup truck. That was another one, So S ten.

Back when I was in high school, people kids had the S ten pickup trucks. They lowered them down, put them on wheels. They were a

big, huge hit. And the S ten you saw them everywhere like everyday.

Really thought that was gonna have ten. I don't know if Chevy thought

that truck would take off the way that it did. Maybe they did,

maybe they foresaw it, but man, everywhere you went there was an S ten pick of truck. You've put the stop light and I remember they'd be

like five meta stop light all at one time. You know, I mean

there's they were everywhere. So that's just another one of those vehicles you just

wonder, like, you know, I was so Cameron and I were talking and I think I told this story on the air once before. I had

a want I mean, I know, me being in a car guy.

Maybe a car guy's going to shock some of you, guys. I had

the biggest want at one point time. I liked the eighty seven. I

didn't like the eight eight as much, but I like the eighty seven Ford Escort GT, the one that had the wider bodykit on it. Guys,

if you look it up. I wanted one. I don't know why on

one, but I just wanted one. I was just like, uh,

they starting to pop up. I liked kind of the look of them.

I know they weren't really super fast or anything, but they were agile.

They look cool. I was going through that whole lowered car you know thing

at that age. They look cool when they were lowered down. You put

a cool stereo system, little boxing. Yeah, they're they're boxing. They're

just a cool car man that you kind of You're cool. And I just

I had had a want for one. I ended up getting my hands on

one. Like I said, it kind of looks like a fox body,

but like the cheap version of a Yeah, I guess that kind of does look like that your economy version of right, right, the poor kig version of it. But I liked I liked it, and I wanted one.

I got my hands on one, and it didn't work. It didn't end

up working out. Uh, ended up being built and sold away from me.

But whatever, But I like that car. Ford Escorts. If you

guys remember you go back some time, they were everywhere. I don't think

Ford ever could imagined that that car would take off the way that it did.

That car took off. Do you know why it did? Though?

Because it was small, it was cheap. I remember at one time you'd

get a Ford Escort. I think it was like twenty nine nine nine five.

You know, so twenty nine and nine. People they are just time

to keeping a stop. People were doing a lot of things to do it.

But people are just a lot of people just bought them as a communit car. Now us car guys are buying them and lowering them down and putting

I remember people are putting inkys. That's right, I said, the inkies.

Only old time people will remember that. What did you call? The

people are buying them, they're you know, they were just doing crazy stuff to them. But I don't think, like I said, I don't think

anybody ever thought of that car were going. It's just like we were talking

about the Arc seven. So the first RC seven, that thing was there

was tons of those running around for a while. I don't know, I

don't think it did as well as it probably could have, But there was a point time where there was tons of those little Arc sevens running around and they were they were cool, and they were fast, and it was also like some of these cars, the aftermarket scene is a lot more heavy than you know when they debut. Now you try to get a hands on RX

seven and then find it decent. It's hard to find one that's in decent

shape and people pay good money for him, you know what I mean.

So you know, you just you just had these these little niche vehicles that you know, went around and stuff like that. I look the you had

different you had different cars different I'm trying to remember the the La Car.

I think that's what the name of it is. That really what it was

called? La car? Yeah, look it up, Look look La Car.

I think it is what actually was called Lee car, Late car, La Car, l E c R LACR Is that what it was called.

They were hugely start popping, they start showing up. But I think you

could buy them for like no money L L E. C R. The

car isn't that what they were called? The car? There? It is?

Yeah, So they started popping up for a little for a little while, you start seeing them everywhere. Uh, and people were running running around

and you goes and then you go started popping up. People had you goos

for a while, you know, because you can buy them for nothing.

It's just little niche cars that people when people are going through that whole fuel economy small car thing, you had all these weird like little car ideas that popped up that I think nobody ever could imagine that they would take over, you know, take over the way that they did, and some of these car ideas and smaller cars and stuff. And now you know, you don't

you don't really see that anymore. So I wonder if somebody came out with

a really smart car, man that didn't happen right like they tried. It

came and went, you saw something around. But but if somebody came out

with a small compact car again, could it take off? Could it be

could it run away again? I don't know? Maybe so yeah, maybe,

I mean they were kind of do with the electric style gasoline. I

think I think I don't plan on Gasolene is probably gonna buy electric car.

Electric car. We're we're having thrown down our throat. Hey, I know

it's coming towards the end of the show. Guys, go look it up.

If you guys ever seeing the movie of Wolf Wall Street. Somebody sent

me this stories. I thought it was kind of cool. You see that

laborghen he sold this week where it's wrecked and it's in front. He stumbles

out and he wrecks it, you know, out of the out of the country club. He tries to drive it home and it's all wrecked up.

So the wrecked version that sold for one point five million dollars. He's had

it all this time. They've had something. They've had it stored somewhere after

the movie production has been sitting with it all to one version. It's real.

No, it's the one they used in the movie. Now, I'm

talking about the one that he actually crashed, though I guess they bought that one crashed or something to use it in that movie. But it is a

car. It sold, in its wreck in its wrecked entirety for how much

sold one point five one point five million dollars. That's one of the crazy

stories this week. Another crazy story real quick, A guy got his car

his truck stolen and it was returned to him four days after it was stolen with a note that said, sorry, I was drunk and I needed to ride home. Another crazy stories was the car wrecked. I know it wasn't.

I guess it wasn't too tore up and didn't make it for the police.

Fan. That was two stories somebody sent me this week. I thought

they were funny stories. So we look those up and that No, guys,

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