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It's no driving gloves. Let's see how this works again tonight. Still gonna be me tonight.

Still put in a little bit of game plan together on how no driving glowing ahead. I'll tease

right now. We'll have a big interview coming up on our next episode, whether it be next

week or in two weeks, probably in two weeks. This every other episode when I'm doing it

solo really works well. And I think I'm giving you a much more value for your time because

I'm coming in prepared. I'm coming in ready, coming in hot. So I've got a fix tonight. I

think we're going to touch a little bit on new stuff. We're going to touch a little bit

on old stuff. We're going to touch a little bit on sports cars. We're going to touch a

little bit on electric. We're going to touch a little bit on branding. Just a whole bunch

of little topics tonight. We're going to bounce back and forth. Please feel free to

jump into the comments and if you have any opinions on anything that I'm saying, any

of these ideas that I'm tossing out here. I'm going to keep you informed of what's going

on in the car hobby because that's what no driving gloves is. We are the gloves off approach

to the car hobby. And finding it, there was a Michigan dealership this week that showed

up in the news because she lost their license in Michigan to sell new cars because their

definition of a new car differs from Michigan. And diving into this story was a little bit

interesting and fun. I guess we'll say more interesting. It's really not fun. It's really

puzzling because I'm going to ask you a question, pause for a second and then we'll go on. What

is your definition of a new car? Now, see, I'm not one who says the odometer only has

to read 12 miles or eight miles. I mean, I've been around cars that are new that have a

hundred or something. I've actually been the first registered owner buying my 1991 Lotus

Alon M100 off MSO with 34,000 miles on the car. And I purchased that car in 2002 because

the dealer had never sold it, had always run it on dealer plates. And the owner used it and his

wife used it as a fun toy until they went to a Mercedes convertible and this car became available.

I bought it from the original dealership. It wasn't even a Lotus dealership anymore,

but it had never been titled and I bought it as a brand new car. Now, is that a brand new car?

You know, it's interesting and I was like saying that, you know, I was the first,

I was the original owner of this car, but I did buy it with 35,000 miles on it.

And that's kind of where this Michigan dealership's getting in trouble. They're selling

demo cars and loaner cars, you know, you can take a car in for service and they give you a car to use.

You know, these cars will rack up a thousand, 1500 miles and then the dealership sells them as a

new car, probably for full boat dollars. I never really did get a confirmation in anything I read

on this, but they sold it as a new car. Is that a new car? I mean, it was used as a rental car

technically, especially in the loaner situation, while money never changed hands.

It was driven by many different people for potentially

weeks at a time. I can't tell you, I'm not sure what cars exactly were involved,

but Michigan doesn't define that as a new car, so hence the dealership loses their license or

has their license suspended. But it just makes me wonder and makes me want to ask you, what do you

think is a new car? I would be very disappointed if I had purchased a car and found out it was a

loaner or a demo because I'm used to seeing those on lots with a slight discount because of that.

It was disclosed. Again, this dealership wasn't disclosing that it was used as a loaner or such.

When I bought my Maverick earlier this year, I actually got it with 1600 miles on it.

Now, I'd put 1500 miles of those on there, but that's kind of the same thing.

We thought we had the financing all wrapped up. They let me take the truck home. They knew I was

going on a road trip that I was going to put 1500, 1600 miles on the car, and they never

contacted me for the whole week. When I was on my way back, I said, okay, when do I need to come

in and sign the paperwork? They go, oh, we've got a little snafu. We need you to come in. We ended

up sorting through everything, and it wasn't a big deal. It was just something that was miscommunicated,

but we had to rewrite all the paperwork showing I was buying the car with 1600 miles on it,

as opposed to buying it with 24, I think, was when I first test drove it. It had 24 because it was

delivered to one of the dealership dealers or one of the sister dealers of where I bought it,

and they had to drive it a couple 15 miles or something to this dealership so that I could

pick it up. If I wasn't the one buying it, I don't think they would have sold it as new.

They would have had to have sold it as a demo or something. There's some honesty in this dealership,

and I've worked with them before, but like I said, this Michigan dealership really raises these

questions, and it's something you might want to look into in whatever state you're in or wherever

you're located to find out what your state classifies as a definition of a new car,

so that if you do go in and there's some car that's got 1,453 miles on it, and they're selling it to

you as a new car with no discounts or anything, can they legally do that? Odds are a very state

to state. I can't say odds are. I don't know what states. I don't know every state's legal

definition, but as car people out there or as somebody just scrolling by the podcast,

what is your definition of a new car?

Like I said, that's where we're at on that one. We're going to be asking those questions,

but there's been a lot of EV news in the last couple of weeks, and you read the headlines,

and they sound horrible for EVs. EVs have had it rough. Don't get me wrong. Since the tax

incentive went away at the beginning of October, EV sales are down. I think it's something like

28% on year-over-sales compared to last year's October. That was kind of expected. I think the

EV manufacturers expected it. Ford tried to play some games. General Motors tried to play some games

to kind of extend that rebate. General Motors got caught, and after General Motors got caught,

Ford kind of omitted what they were doing was very similar to what General Motors was doing,

and while legal, go back to our previous story, wasn't quite ethical. So everything

sorted out with air. There's no fuzzy rebate math going on, but one of the headlines I read,

Scout Motors has 130,000 reservations. Now, remember the new Scout coming from Volkswagen,

Retro-styled EV. Like I said, the headline, Scout Motors has 130,000 reservations.

Nearly all want the gas engine. What does that make you think? Number one, I'm going,

Scout's not available with a gas engine. I'm a car guy. I know that. I kind of followed the Scout

at launch. We talked about it on the podcast earlier. All Scouts are EVs. Nearly all want the

gas engine means everybody wants the range extender, kind of like Dodge is doing with

their electric truck. They're getting rid of their, they abandon their full electric truck,

and the one they're selling you comes with a six cylinder motor. I can't remember if it was a V6

or an inline six, but all that motor does is serve as a generator to extend the range,

basically recharge the batteries once the batteries become depleted. And that's exactly

the same thing in the Scout. Well, kind of, the Scout's using a turbocharged four cylinder

that's actually mounted behind the rear axle as a generator so that when the batteries get depleted,

it, it can continue to go, which this is the, that I say Dodge, I meant Ram, I'm sorry.

This is the ideal electric vehicle for Americans. This is what the Chevrolet Volt and the Cadillac

ELR had. It's kind of what my hybrid Maverick has, even though my Maverick will not run 100%

on electric. It's not a plug-in hybrid or anything, but I get a lot of electric.

Since I bought the truck, about 30% of my miles have been on electric. We've got about 80 to

8300 miles on the truck now, and about 3000 of those honestly are all electric. I think it's 2800

and change. So even without this generator thing, the truck's able to, through regenerator braking,

through just, you know, coasting through, however, it's able to keep the batteries replenished and

with some careful driving, you can get pretty decent electric. I mean, think, you know, think

of a normal truck with 25 miles a gallon. I've saved 100 gallons of gas, three bucks a gallon,

say, you know, 300 bucks. I'm not doing it to save money. It's never really going to pay for itself,

but it still adds up. And then when you're going to full electric, like the scout here, if you buy

it as full electric without the gasoline motor, and like I said, 130,000 orders, 30,000 of those are

not looking for the extended range option on it. And I'm trying to, if you do buy it full electric,

it's a nickel-magnese cobalt battery that offers you 120 kilowatt hours and offers you about 350

miles until you have to recharge. And it's a big, heavy battery pack. Now, if you do the gasoline

motor, you are getting a lithium-ion phosphate battery that's about half the capacity, but gives

you about 150 miles to drive on electric. For most people, 150 miles will cover them for 98% of their

driving. Think of the last time you went on a 150 mile round trip road trip. Not many people do it.

I mean, I do it a lot because of my job. But with this, you get 150 miles of electric. Some of this,

you'll get back with the regenerative braking, going downhill, coasting, you know, a lot of ways

to put this electricity back in the battery without even having to plug it in. But you could

plug it in, you know, when you get home, plug it in and you don't even do it on 110. You don't even

have to shuck out the money for a level two or a level three charger. Then let it put a few more

miles on it. And if you do run out of electric, then the gasoline engine kicks on. And sorry,

it's a naturally aspirated four cylinder, but it kicks on and will increase your total range to

about 500 miles, which basically means you get 150 miles of electric and 350 miles out of the gas

capacity of the truck to run this four cylinder generator that's replenishing the batteries.

I think this, you know, that is the way we're going to get electric cars accepted in this

country. We've said it for a long time. This hybrid stuff and this extended range electric

vehicle or EREV, that's the way it should be done. That's the way to do it. And we're talking, we've

got these, you know, Scouts doing this, but also in the same news, same breath almost,

Ford comes out and says, the new Ford Lightning, well, we put a lot of eggs in that basket.

And we were hoping for like 150,000 sales a year. Turns out they sold 33,000 lightnings last year.

They've reduced capacity. They've laid off people at the factory. It seems Americans

don't want a fully electric pickup. I mean, the thing you can, you know, plug it into your house

and run your house in case the power goes out if you buy a thousand dollar adapter to go on your

house. It's a brilliant idea. It's a great idea, except it's the range fears. And especially if

you're buying a truck to be a truck, which yes, most of us don't, unless you get unless you're

buying it for your business or whatever. But you know, the electric lightning is a great vehicle.

Power your work site, power your house, never have to buy gas, plug it in, never, you know,

does a lot of good things. But people just don't want to buy it because the moment you slap a trailer

on the thing, your range goes from 300, 400 miles to 100, 150. Not exact quotes. Don't quote me on that.

But your range depletes greatly. Where if you had one of these EREVs, extended range electric vehicles,

it had the generator under the hood like the new Ram will, like the Scout will,

you would have to worry about that. You just buzz on down the road. And yeah, you've got your

electric for driving to work, going to the grocery store, going to the hunting grounds,

heading out to the shooting range, going to the racetrack. I don't know, going to the golf course.

You'd have your electric for all of that. But you would still have that gasoline motor. But

Ford's talking about they're going to do one more advertising blitz and really push that

powering your home thing from what I understand. And if it doesn't pick up some sort of sales,

Ford might be discontinuing the electric lightning. And that's really the most truck truck,

electric truck out there. General Motors have done a really nice with their EV truck that,

you know, kind of an avalanche. I think it's a good looking truck, just way, way too expensive,

lightning's also up there in price. And Rivian, people love Rivians, but I think there's some

quirkiness to the Rivian. People buy the Rivian because they can say, they don't have to say,

hey, I got an electric car, I'm treating the environment, I'm special, whatever, I'm different.

The Rivian says it all, where the lightning, you really have to know what you're looking at.

The Chevrolet EV truck, like I said, just looks like an updated avalanche,

which could be a good thing or a bad thing. I mean, it gives a lot of diversity, but

a lot of the avalanches I see are pretty beat up and almost buy here, pay here vehicles anymore.

And of course, the Cybertruck is the Cybertruck. You buy it because you want to be seeing,

I don't think you're buying it to be a pickup truck. I do understand that some are going into

police use now. I'm sure Tesla is donating in a police department or however, but Vegas is supposed

to be getting some Cybertruck police cars or police trucks in the coming weeks. And it's supposed

to be followed by multiple municipalities afterwards. But we're talking about potentially

killing off the electric trucks. We're talking about sales declines across the board and electric

vehicles. There's not all the press and touting how great electric cars are. They're just kind of

mundane in the news. And that really makes you wonder, well, even let's talk a Lucid. Lucid just

came out and cut their production target for this year by 60%. Their target, they cut it to like

18,000 units. I mean, they had a jump in revenue and things, but they, again, reducing the number

of vehicles that they're going to produce. And the Lucid really wasn't affected by the tax credit

or anything because its base price exceeded the stipulations to get into the tax credit. I don't

think the vehicle could exceed $60,000 and I don't believe Lucid has a vehicle under $60,000. So the

$7,500 federal tax credit would have never replied to it. Lucid still exists because

Saudi Arabia has invested somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 to $2 billion to keep the

company alive. And it's just a really oddball thing. But we're sitting here, we're looking

at this, we're looking at this. And then just this afternoon, we're recording on November 6,

2025, the Tesla board came back and approved Elon Musk's requested pay package. Lots of goals on this

pay package. But I'm trying to quickly look at my notes here. I mean, there's vehicle sales

increases, there's annual revenue, there's all kinds of little targets in order for Elon Musk to get

this full pay package. Now, if I'm not mistaken, a year, year and a half ago, the board at Tesla

was throwing a fit because of Elon Musk's previous pay package. It was like $150 or $200 million,

some astronomical number. That was made the background tonight, a picture with Liayakoka.

And in 1985, Liayakoka made $20 million in a year. And that was the highest paid executive

in the world. $20 million in today's world, and it's not $20 million anymore, really.

That's kind of a month salary, a week salary for some people. It's just, the money's crazy.

And I remember just two or three years ago, maybe it's five years ago now.

In recent times, within the last decade, Apple became the first trillion-dollar company,

first company that had a trillion dollars in market value. And then it fell off and now we've

got a lot of companies that are worth a trillion dollars. Elon Musk's pay package over the next

10 years is $1 trillion, $100 billion a year, provided he meets all his targets and goals and

such. My question is, where the heck is the money going to come from? Yes, this is $1 trillion

in stock. It's going to deplete the stock or devalue the stock that's already been issued

because it'll probably issue more stock, et cetera. The $1 trillion is based on today's

market value for Tesla's stock. And I didn't even look up before the show, but I should have

Tesla's stock price today is $445.91, so say $450 a share, give or take.

Actually, yesterday, it was $454, so we're not too crazy, but it's down today.

$1 trillion. Is he really worth $1 trillion? Keep in mind, he's not only has Tesla, he has

Neuralink, he has SpaceX, he has his AI company, he has Grock. I mean, he's not focused on just

this isn't like one job either. When Iacocca did it in 85, the only thing he did was chairman of

Chrysler. He wasn't doing much else. I guess he was doing the side thing, restoring the Statue of

Liberty, helping that charitable foundation, but it really wasn't a job he was doing to create

a new thing. If I was an investor in Tesla, which I may be, I may not be, I don't know,

but I don't think I would have voted for this. And some of the people that said they were not

going to vote for this were some of the largest shareholders in Tesla, but obviously it passed.

He has to, let's see here, he has to create the race Tesla's market capitalization to $8.5 trillion.

Now, I'm not even sure what else he has to do, but even if he doesn't do any of this,

he still gets billions of dollars in stock options and that for being at Tesla.

I am a capitalist at heart and all the power to you, but I have a hard, hard time wrapping my head

around a $1 trillion 10-year contract, but then again, don't the LA Dodgers have a guy that plays

for him? It's got a $780 million contract or something like that. I don't know for how many

years or whatever. So a billion dollars to play baseball, a trillion dollars to run an electric

car company, which honestly changed the world, but I don't know. And other things,

back in 2020, General Motors introduced a 10-speed automatic that was designed a lot

in partnership with Ford and these are used in their Duramax, diesel, pickups, etc.

And I can't quite figure out where the connection is, but as of January 1st, 2026,

well, they've stopped producing heavy-duty Chevrolet and GM vehicles with the Duramax logo,

or excuse me, not the Duramax, with the Allison transmission logo on them.

And as of January 1st, 2026, dealers will be required to remove any badging on the vehicle

that alludes to an Allison built transmission in the truck because technically they're not

Allison built transmissions. They might be authorized and maybe slightly developed with them,

but technically this transmission was designed more with General Motors and Ford

than General Motors and Allison. And by June 29th, General Motors will be in violation of the

agreement because they will no longer be paying Allison for licensing to sell their trucks with

the Allison badges on them. So they have basically till the end of June of next year to have all the

Allison badges removed from all of the brand new trucks. This doesn't go retroactive, but this goes

ever since 2001, the Duramaxes and that all have had these Allison transmission badges on them.

Maybe General Motors figured out that people weren't buying trucks because of the Allison

transmission, but I know damn well people were buying dodges because of the Cummins diesel.

A little bit different, but and was it Ford? Didn't Ford have issues with the transmission or

something? So I mean, the Allison transmission screams quality. I mean, technically the newest

Allison transmissions are going into Abrams tanks or something. I don't know. I went away

and this is going to be a little bit odd, but I'm going to quickly go back and say just in case

you're here on the video, and I don't know why my background's not here. I'm going to push some

button with what I'm talking to you, but I was saying the Hellifant is back. We've got the Hellifant,

a wonderful vehicle, our wonderful motor, about time, you know, Stellantis is stepping up their game.

I don't know if I'm going to get a background back. So this video is really going to suck,

but I apologize. But maybe you'll listen to the audio. You've heard about the Hellifant twice.

You've heard about the new dude pickup truck coming, the updated TRX. We've got a lot of fun

stuff happening out there. Now we're going to go to and it's an interesting article.

Talked about it many times. They're questioning Subaru BRZ WRX sales. They're flat lining.

And again, it's a headline. Subaru BRZ and WRX sales are flat lining. Where are all the enthusiasts?

I can't tell you who put this on. This is on the drive. Is that really the right question?

How about Subaru BRZ and WRX sales are flat lining? Where is the inventory? You cannot

sell a vehicle if you don't stock it. That is so true. I've seen so many cars and it just irritates

the piss out of me that we blame the cars. We blame the buyers. It's the dealers. The dealers

don't stock these vehicles. And if the dealers don't have these vehicles in stock,

nobody's going to go buy them. You know, oh, I want a BRZ. Can't drive it? Well, hell,

I'm just going to order it. Well, yeah, in this internet world, yeah, maybe you get a couple of

sales. You're really going to boost your sales if you have a couple of cars in stock. I checked the

BRZ inventory for the Birmingham area, 50 mile radius of Birmingham, two brand new BRCs in stock

compared to 14 GT86s. WRXs I didn't look at, but I wonder what the WRX number is compared to,

GR Corolla's. Toyota made this wonderful car, the Scion. I can't think of what it's called.

It looked like the smart car, but it sat three. They stopped making them because nobody bought

them because no Scion dealership stocked them. They were always ordered, are always order,

order, order. I wanted to see one. I went to multiple Toyota dealerships on multiple different

months. Nobody ever had one in stock. How people bought them, I don't know. When I see them at

like CarMax and such, they don't last long because they do sell because guess what? The car's there.

It's a good value. It works for a good city car. Again, I just do not understand. You can't

sell a car if you don't stock it. I've seen so many, so many sports cars die because of that.

And I don't, yes, two-door sports coupes, they're not going to sell a lot of cars.

Four-door $50,000 sport coupes. Seems Honda has no problem selling Civic SIs and SIRs and that,

but Subaru can't sell WRXs because they're not stocking the right WRX or Subaru isn't

making what the customer wants. I'm tired of seeing cars again like that that, oh, we built

what the customer wants. Look at the most recent Pontiac GTO, for example. Yeah, they're fun cars.

Big V8s, but we wanted the Holden Commodore or whatever that was. We didn't want this kind of tone

down a little bit Americanized version. Maybe you should have sold the version that was sold,

but maybe there should have been that raw sports car level for $7,000 or $9,000 more in today's

dollars. You just can't sell these things and you can't knock these, it just saddens me to see these

cars. I mean Mazda plugs away at it, plugs away at it. They just keep making the Miata,

keep making the Miata. Under no rhyme or reason should Mazda ever make another Miata. Yes,

they're fun cars, they're great cars, they're neat cars, but there's such a small portion of

Mazda sales. And yes, Mazda did have to concede and instead of going to a next generation Miata,

they did refresh the current generation Miata just recently. But there's dollars and cents here, but

it doesn't seem that Ferrari has trouble selling cars and Lamborghini has trouble selling cars.

And yes, that's absolutely crazy, but Porsche doesn't have trouble selling $100,000 boxters

and Mercedes doesn't have a problem selling $120,000 AMG GTs and stuff.

But not all of us have $100,000 for a car. A lot of us have 40 and that just that market doesn't...

You know, people I know with AMG GTs don't necessarily have another car, that's kind of it.

You know, yeah, the wife might have an SUV or the husband might have an SUV or however it's going

about, but we need these $40,000 cars and the sports cars. And the only way we're going to get

these $40,000 sports cars is for the dealers to stock them. And I don't know if the manufacturer

has to require it, that for every 60 F-150s you order, you get whatever, say, Focus ST or whatever.

I don't want to say Mustang because they don't seem to have trouble selling Mustangs.

I just don't understand it and I'm tired of seeing these headlines blaming the enthusiasts.

Yeah, you might have an argument on the enthusiasts and buying manual transmissions,

but as I've said repeatedly in the past, I am not a manual transmission person

anymore. I like manuals, I enjoy driving manuals, but it's last year's technology.

I mean, I have an extremely expensive table saw in the garage called the SawStop because of the

technology on it. Do I use a hand saw? No, I have an extremely expensive SawStop table saw.

That's newer technology. Yes, the manual transmission is like sawing and sawing and sawing,

but for some reason people still want manuals. And there's the bread and butter and exciting

thing to this episode that Tremac just introduced a new six speed manual trans axle. Now somebody's

got to do the software for the vehicles, but it is specifically designed to replace the dual clutch

transmission in the C8 Corvette. You can end up with a six speed manual transmission, uses

the mounting points for the C8s, eight speed dual clutch automatic, so we can have manual

swaps C8s. People are paying tons of money to manual swap their Aston's in their Ferrari 360s

and their 458s and things like that. So if you really need to row your own gears,

Tremac has helped you out with the Corvette C8. The trans axle can handle up to 1,000 horsepower

and 800 pound feet of torque along with about I say an 8600 RPM input speed. Those are just

standard little check off boxes, check off the boxes. But like I said, somebody's going to have

to write the software, but I guarantee you somebody will be able to write the software to make this

transmission work. It's kind of like the first guy that did a 26 inch rim. Do you do the 26 inch rim

or you do the 26 inch tire? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Well, nobody's going to

write the software for a Corvette C8 to handle a manual transmission that you row your own gears

in and you have a third pedal unless somebody makes the trans axle and somebody actually made

the trans axle. They didn't wait for the software because the software is going to come. It's going

to happen. But I keep reading these and oh wow, oh wow. What do I want to say?

What? And everybody's talking C8, C8. They overlooked the fact in a couple of journalists

I've seen in that and go boy, we wish this was a manual, but it's only available with a dual clutch

8 speed. And I'm not talking about the C8 at this point, talking about the Mustang GTD.

And ironically, the Mustang GTD and the C8 Corvette

use the TR9080 DCT transmission.

So the GTD uses the same transmission as the Corvette. So if you're a programmer,

you got C8 software to be writing, you got Mustang GTD software to be writing,

I don't know who might cut up their GTD to stick a manual in, but I guarantee you somebody is.

Yeah, granted, it's a $300,000, $400,000 Mustang, but $300,000, $400,000 isn't a lot of money to

some people. Hell of a lot of money to be, probably hell of a lot of money to you,

but is not a hell of a lot of money to some people. So that just kind of, even though I'm

anti-manual transmission, manual transmissions or last year's technology,

doesn't matter. People want it. People are going to write the checks. Obviously,

a Tremac's right in the checks. Now, granted, they also make that same

a dual clutch transmission for these vehicles.

But so in theory, this transmission should go in your C8 Stingray, your Z06, your ZR1.

I don't know about your ZR1X or whatever it's called, but I think between the Corvette market

for those three models and the Mustang GTD market, and I'm sure that transmission should get

slipped in somewhere else. I'd like to go back and see what was put into the most recent Ford GTs.

2020 Ford GT transmission.

You know, if it's a seven-speed dual clutch transmission for my get-rig. So now we can't

give you a bonus there, but enjoy your new manual transmission GTDs and your C8s if you got the

money and you got the skills. But like I said, exciting night. We've got something special

in store for you in the next episode. I'm looking forward to doing it. It will be pre-recorded.

It will not be streamed live, but we're going Saturday to get the footage, do the work, and

you'll have a one hell of a follow-up episode to this episode of No Driving Gloves. If you are

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