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Michelin CrossClimate
Michelin CrossClimate tires are special tires that work well in different kinds of weather, like rain and some snow. They help your car grip the road better so you can drive safely even when the weather changes.
Brand
Milwaukee
Milwaukee makes strong and reliable power tools that people use for building and fixing things, like drills and saws.
Term
M18
M18 means the tool uses a special 18-volt battery that lets it work without being plugged in, so you can use it anywhere.
Brand
DeWalt
DeWalt makes strong and reliable tools that people use for fixing and cleaning things, like cars or around the house.
Car
Ford F-150 Raptor
The Ford F-150 Raptor is a special version of the Ford F-150 truck designed to drive really well off-road with strong parts and a powerful engine.
Brand
Escort
Escort makes devices that help drivers know if there are police speed detectors nearby, helping them avoid speeding tickets.
Brand
Jaguar
Jaguar is a company that makes fancy cars that are known for looking good and driving well. They are from Britain and have been around for a long time.
Car
Jaguar F-Type
The Jaguar F-Type is a sporty car made by Jaguar. It looks cool and is fun to drive because it is fast and handles well.
Term
Cup 2 tire
Cup 2 tires are special tires that help cars stick to the road really well when it's dry. But they don't work well when it's rainy or slippery, so they can be a bad choice if you live somewhere wet.
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wax
Wax is like a special shiny layer you put on your car to keep it looking nice and protect it from dirt and weather.
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polish
Polish is something you use to clean up little scratches and make your car's paint smooth and shiny before putting on wax.
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clay bar
A clay bar is like a special sticky bar that cleans your car's paint really well by picking up tiny dirt and grime that washing alone can't get off. It makes your car's paint feel super smooth.
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BPF
BPF is a clear protective layer put on a car's paint to stop it from getting scratched or damaged by the sun. You can put wax on it, but usually, you don't have to.
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ceramic coating
Ceramic coating is like a special clear paint you put on your car to protect it and make it shiny for a long time. It lasts longer and works better than regular wax.
Term
PPF
PPF is a clear sticker that you put on your car's paint to keep it safe from little scratches and rocks. It helps keep your car looking new.
Car
Ford F-150 Lightning
The Ford F-150 Lightning is a pickup truck that runs on electricity instead of gas. It's designed to be powerful and useful like regular trucks but cleaner for the environment.
Term
range
Range is how far an electric car or truck can go before its battery runs out and it needs to be charged again.
Concept
Hybrid
A hybrid car uses both gas and electricity to help it go farther and use less fuel. It switches between the two to save energy.
Car
Ford F-150
The Ford F-150 is a big truck that lots of people buy because it can carry heavy stuff and is very reliable. It's been the most popular truck for a long time.
Car
Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that has its engine placed in the middle, which helps it drive really well. People are talking about it because Porsche might stop using its usual engine and switch to electric power instead.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous fast car that many people love. Now, some versions use both gas and electric power to make it better for the environment while still being fun to drive.
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ICE motors
An ICE motor is the usual kind of engine in most cars that uses gas to make the car go. It's different from electric engines that use batteries.
Car
Porsche Taycan
The Porsche Taycan is a fast car that runs only on electricity instead of gas. It's Porsche's way of making electric cars that still feel sporty and fun to drive.
Car
Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo
The Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo is a fast electric car that looks like a sporty wagon. It can carry more stuff and handle rough roads better than a regular sports car.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known fast car from America. The new E-Ray version uses both gas and electric power to make it even more fun and powerful.
Car
Ford Gt Model
The Ford Model T is one of the first cars ever made and helped many people own a car for the first time. Talking about it now shows how much cars have changed, especially with new electric and hybrid technology.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a famous fast car from America that lots of people recognize. The newest versions are still very powerful and are often compared to other sporty cars.
Car
Golf Gtd
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car that many people like because it's easy to drive and useful for daily life. The GTD version is a sportier model that uses a special type of fuel to give it more power.
Company
Barrett-Jackson
Barrett-Jackson is a big car auction where people sell special and old cars to collectors and fans.
Company
Hendrick Motorsports
Hendrick Motorsports is a famous racing team that races cars in NASCAR and works on fast cars.
Term
cruise control
Cruise control helps your car keep a steady speed so you don't have to press the gas pedal all the time. Some newer systems can even slow down or speed up depending on the cars in front of you.
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lane departure
Lane departure systems help keep your car from drifting out of its lane by warning you or gently steering the car back. This helps prevent accidents if you get distracted.
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Welcome to the Abantz Podcast. I'm Dan.
I'm Nick.
We're not together.
And there's a delay, because there's a massive storm.
I mean, I wish I was in Arizona, but I mean, it's been...
Our good friend Michael has been down in Auburn rescuing people for the last two nights.
You know, good for him.
But it's been pretty... We had a levy break and it's, you know, no jokes aside.
Yeah, when people here find out I'm from Washington, they're asking me all about it.
Like, it's all over the news down here too, apparently.
Not that I've turned on the news down here, but people here are very aware of it and asking,
like, oh, are you trying to get away from that water?
And I was like, yes, that's exactly what I did.
But it was more than I expected to get away from.
I didn't know it was coming, but here I am.
Yeah, exactly.
And it was going to be bad, but man, this is nasty.
And then the poor snow people, we feel bad for all of you, because all that got washed away.
Apparently a bunch more is coming, which is probably going to make things worse.
But I don't know how much, just that's going to last with how crazy the weather's been.
So yeah, I hope you got good tires, those Michelin cross climates and some good snow tires,
something because it's not fun getting around there, I've seen.
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, we're recording this on the Tuesday before, I mean,
and it's, we're supposed to get a big windstorm.
So hopefully, you know, all these trees and everything around here,
the roots are so soft.
So I had to get out of my house today.
As you know, I work from home and I have a tendency to like stay at home a lot.
And I decided to go do some retail therapy and ended up at Home Depot,
which, you know, any good, you know, tool person will do wandering around.
And I, in typical, you know, Dan's not here, so I have to do things on my own,
which sucks.
But I was, I've been, I've been looking at getting a new shop back for the shop,
obviously, and I've been looking at the new Milwaukee stuff.
Big surprise, I know my garage is red.
And Home Depot had it mislabeled.
So I got a nice discount.
And I was laughing with Dan before we started.
It's the big, the big catch on this new vacuum is the fact that it has a button
at the end of the hose that you can turn the vacuum on and off.
Just so we're clear, this hose is only like six feet long.
Like I could reach back and turn the power off,
but I don't know if I, I don't know how I've lived this long without,
without having a vacuum with the button that's Bluetooth on the end of it.
It's giving me a good reason to clean the whole garage and reorganize stuff.
So, but that, you know, a little retail therapy never hurt anything.
And, you know, everything's on sale.
The batteries for the damn thing.
I mean, I'm going to use my existing batteries are more expensive than the vacuum cleaner.
So I got to work my way up to that.
That's one of those like, totally unnecessary, super nice to have features.
Who would have thought a Bluetooth button on a vacuum hose would be so handy,
but I can totally see how that would be handy.
Because, you know, just turn, especially when you're in just, you know,
cleaning out the car or something,
being able to just to turn it off and, you know, not have that extra noise.
But yeah, completely unnecessary, still a cool feature.
Glad they did it.
I'm glad you found one on a good deal too.
That's a cool vacuum.
I mean, it's also, I mean, and I get it,
most of the people that buy these things and these high end tools
are using them on job sites.
And so they're, you know, they're talking about how it will, you know,
on full power on one of the big 12 volt batteries,
it'll, it will last, I think it's not 12 volt, it's a M18.
M18, yeah.
Yeah.
It'll last 40 minutes.
And I'm thinking, I'm barely going to have the thing on for probably
20 minutes vacuuming the car,
but it will be nice to be able to take it anywhere without having to plug it in.
I do have the miniature one, but I wanted something a little bit more
garage friendly in the fact that I can take on the spiders and things like that.
Yeah.
So I have my DeWalt back, my hand back that I care.
And I love having the battery operated one for the road trip.
Like it's in the trailer mounted in the toolbox there.
So I can, I always have a vacuum with me and right here with all the dust.
Super nice to have.
So if you've got the space having a portable vacuum that runs the batteries is a
great to have option.
Or like we said before, modify your old Dyson v6 that everybody got at Costco
that the battery is now dead on.
Stop buying the Dyson batteries.
They're crap just by the adapter for whatever tool batteries you're using.
I have noticed that they are picky.
You want to make sure that they are compatible with the newer style
batteries.
Like some of those power stack batteries don't always work with those
adapters.
You get newer adapters and you don't want to run them to empty on those,
on those battery adapters.
The DeWalt backs, they'll walk you backs, whatever you can run those
empty all day.
It doesn't matter.
But the ones of the adapters you want to keep like run an oversized
battery.
But with the Dyson v6 with one of my nine amp hour batteries, it runs.
I've never even come close to draining it.
Like cleaning like three vehicles.
There's still tons of power left.
It doesn't actually use it as much as I thought.
So that's the way to go.
Yeah, it is interesting.
I mean, I will always, I will keep the compact one for the truck
when we go places, especially like when we're in Moab.
But this is going to probably stay at the house.
It could be portable, but it's still a six gallon, you know,
wet drive back.
But I'm excited.
I'm waiting for the bags for the things.
So it doesn't make too big of a mess.
But it's, I mean, you know, like you and I, I started to go
down this whole like, I saw an ad and I was like, oh, that
would be nice to have.
And then you just start, and I have watched so many videos now
of all these comparisons and things.
And obviously a lot of the guys that are doing the comparisons
are doing job site stuff.
They're, they're talking about, you know, how you can do it,
use it for 45 minutes and how, you know, it picks up this
large debris and things like that.
And obviously I'm using it for something a little bit different,
but it's probably, you know, an elephant gun to take on a
deer, but I'm happy to do it.
So nice.
I actually got a new toy this week too.
The unit in our rates went on sale for about a hundred bucks
off.
So I picked up an R8 to upgrade my R7 in my Raptor.
The R8 has the mute button on the front.
It has Bluetooth, which does have some nice options for
configuring it and for tracking like a GPS lock out.
It's just nice to use with the app, the R8 companion app.
I don't think it's, it's not a huge upgrade as far as
detection over the R7.
It's not really at all, but I just like the way it works
better.
And so I'll just sell my R7.
If anybody's interested, I've got a lightly used, very
good condition unit in R7 that I will put up for sale with
all the accessories.
So make me an offer, tariffs are up, prices are high.
I actually recently did some shopping for the, for the
new car, which we will talk about in the future
episode, but ended up picking up the Escort Maxcam
360.
So because I wanted something with a built in webcam
in it and that seemed like the best deal and they
were doing some, you know, I did Black Friday
did it, but I'm kind of, you know, I, it's been
a while since I've had an actual Escort and I
really liked, I mean, I had one of the original ones
and it was great.
So I'm interested to kind of see how this works.
And I'm also got it to the point where if I don't
like the way it works, it will, we'll go back, but
we'll see.
I wanted the webcam feature more than anything.
Yeah, I want to skeptical the dashcam features in
it, but apparently it seems to work.
Okay.
I mean, the basics, does it record somebody hitting
you?
Yes, then good.
That's probably all you need.
And that's what I want.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll do a nice review on that.
There's, I mean, everybody was shocked that
about us reporting that Jaguar had fired their
director.
And I think a lot of people are interested and
really excited to see if Jaguar will turn around.
So I'm hoping so too.
Yeah, it was kind of obvious in the last episode
or I guess it was the episode before that, but
I'm excited to see the opportunity this presents.
Jaguar would be foolish to waste it.
They have the perfect opportunity to say, hey,
we're changing direction based on your feedback
and give customers what they want.
Jag, I mean, think about, I always think about
the F type and the SVR and like Jaguars had some
cool cars even recently.
And so I hope they get back into that model,
especially with all the electric stuff lifting.
I think in 2030 was supposed to be the day that
dropped that date.
And now we're going to talk about this later in
the episode, but there's been some big changes
to that, which we saw coming from a mile away.
So.
Yeah, pretty obvious.
Actually, I don't know if I told you this,
but Uncle Peter picked up 24 F type brand new
off from Jaguar Bellevue, the limited edition one.
And it is stupid comfortable, stupid fast.
It's the way Jaguar should be.
But and I will be doing a review of the car
in about a month or so when we can get it
on the road because it's on a cup two or
something like that right now.
So it can't be driven.
So yeah.
Yeah.
The absolute worst tire for the Pacific Northwest.
I mean, it's a good tire.
It's a great tire.
It's just terrible in the wet and the cold.
Yeah.
The car was originally sold.
It's great when it heats up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a sports car.
So yeah.
What do you got on the agenda tonight?
Sorry, you cut out for a second there.
What did I have for the Carter tip tonight?
I said, no, well, yeah, I was going to say
what's on the Carter tip and what kind of
fun automotive news did you dig up for tonight?
Oh, okay.
Well, let's start with the Carter tip.
Yeah.
I got a couple of things.
So speak the terrible weather and be think of this,
but it also even think of it down here
because there's dust blowing around.
And it's how often do you actually
to wax your car?
We'll wax their car all the time.
And what's the difference between wax and polish?
Right now is a great time to know
if you need to wax your car.
Go out there and look at the outside.
And if the water's not beating up on it,
that's your first sign.
And so wax, let's talk about the difference
between wax and polish is first polish.
You use to remove fine scratches and swirls.
So you would start by stripping your paint down.
All if you're going to polish,
you're going to strip it down
with an automotive wash that's designed to do that.
Citrus washes, things like that.
Griots sells them.
You can get ones that are made to take it down.
Take all the disinfectants off the paint.
Then you're going to clay bar it or synthetic clay bar it.
Again, goes here, forensic griots.
And then you're going to polish those fine scratches out there.
And then you're going to go to that waxing step.
And then waxing, you said,
around in Washington, I've noticed,
you probably need to wax your car
about three times a year if it's your daily driver.
In states like California, once a year maybe.
It depends how much you're stuck in traffic.
And then most places on an average of twice a year.
If it's in really hot, hot sun,
like you don't have a dedicated shaded parking spot,
this thing's always outside.
That's almost worse on your paint than rain
because it's constantly getting sun bleached.
So you're going to want to do a really,
give it really good coats of wax
at least two or three times a year.
And then if you want to just bypass all that
because it's kind of a chore,
just go see our friends at Aztec.
You know, go see your friends at Metropolitan,
see one of the Avon's partners,
get that ceramic coating on there.
Make sure you've got it.
This is another reason why you should Aztec your car
because it's got UV, excuse me,
UV protectant in the Aztec,
in the paint protection.
And so you don't have to worry about those things.
Can you wax BPF?
Sure.
Do you need to?
No.
In fact, it's not really,
it really doesn't really have much of an advantage.
Ceramic coating it absolutely does.
Ceramic coatings are graphing coatings
or whatever the latest one they have now
over the top of that PPF
and it's going to make it even better.
It's going to add a nice hard layer on top of it.
Ceramics are way harder than wax.
So they stay on.
They're not totally permanent,
but there are some pretty permanent ceramic options
for people if you don't daily drive your car.
So if you, this is kind of a no-brainer.
If you have a car that you just reserved
for the weekends and sunny days,
ceramic coatings are awesome
because you never have to worry about the wax.
So just some tips there.
Well, and as you were mentioning about griots,
they've got a lot of products where they're
building ceramics into their products
where it's not necessarily going to give you
the longevity of a true ceramic coating,
but it will definitely add some
of a protective layer for at least a couple of weeks
or until you wash it several times.
Yeah.
And there's one of the things that Nick,
I think told us with those griots ceramic,
ceramic spray, if you spray that
while you are drying off your car,
it works really well for applying it.
And that's, and if you look,
I think Project Farm did a test,
and griots actually came out on top
for the non-permanent coatings.
So there's a huge difference
between spray on coatings.
Don't get the marketing confused.
The kind that you have with the professionals apply,
that takes serious paint prep and cleaning to do that.
Like most products, like paint,
like PPF, it's all in the prep.
You can put it on,
but if you're not prepping the surface right,
it's kind of a waste.
And so that's what you're really paying for
when you pay for those products.
The product itself isn't that expensive,
but getting your car ready so that it is in,
you know, optimal condition to take that coating,
that's what you're really paying for.
So you're paying for the prep.
It's worth it.
So that's why I'm just going to have a professional
do it every time.
I don't want to do all the prep work.
I used to have the time.
I don't anymore.
So.
Agreed.
All right.
So let's talk fun automotive news
that everybody saw coming from a mile away.
A big announcement this week
Ford is dropping the F-150 Lightning
because nobody bought it.
Big shocker.
It had huge over promises of range.
It under delivered them.
I still like the truck.
I think it's useful for what it is.
If you just want,
if you want a commuter and you want a truck,
it's a decent option.
The Rivian's far better,
but the Rivian's also $30,000 more.
Cyber truck.
I still think it's a terrible truck.
It's weird looking.
If you like it, great.
It's whatever.
It's fine.
It's got good crash safety ratings
and the range is okay, I guess,
but I still think it's a weird spot.
But as far as hybrid or a fully electric trucks go,
Rivian kind of owns that market
and they've done a great job at it.
Ford really kind of blew it on that.
So they're dropping the truck entirely.
Big shocker.
Hybrid is where it's going.
Yeah.
I've had several conversations
with the Vaughn's members
and they go, well, we see them everywhere here.
Well, yeah, this is Seattle.
That's why we see a ton of the Rivians,
a ton of the Teslas.
Electricity is a big selling point here.
When you go other places,
you're not seeing as many of them.
It is true.
If you drive I-90 between here in Issaquah
or here in Bellevue,
you will see Ford lightnings everywhere.
People have bought them here.
We don't debate that,
that they sold well here,
but it's the rest of the country that Ford is saying
that they didn't sell well.
Yeah.
It's kind of unfortunate in the sense that,
I hoped Ford of all people would be able,
Ford being the king of trucks
with their best selling vehicle
for God knows how many years with the F-150,
you'd think that's something
they could have hit out of the park,
especially within a truck,
you have so much room
for that battery platform
that you don't have in other vehicles.
But they got, I think,
at most like 75 miles less range
than they anticipated
and it was plagued with reliability issues,
which to be fair,
Ford has a recall on every product,
every other week
and a software update
that I received over the air
it feels like every two or three weeks.
So that's not new,
but it's a whole lot.
The more you look at electric cars,
the more you need to think about them
less as vehicles
and less as,
and more as software platforms.
They're usually dependent
on the software being good.
And yes,
that hardware is obviously important too,
but when you don't have all that software
sorted on a vehicle like that
and you run into so many issues,
you really piss off customers
because they're a lot more like that.
They're a lot more dependent on that software
being really fine tuned.
And as we've talked about many times in this show,
software isn't something
vehicle manufacturers typically do well.
Look at your infotainment system
and how slow and buggy it gets after two years.
Well, electric vehicles
are kind of running into that same thing.
It's not really a surprise
that the Koreans have really figured this out
because they've done electronics very,
very well.
Look at NVIDIA, Samsung,
companies like that over there,
they know how to build electronics.
So of course,
they do pretty well in the electric market.
Sort of makes sense, same with China.
And so,
seeing these failures from Ford,
GM, the American brands
kind of is par for the course
when you think about it from that perspective.
Who does electronics well?
Who does software well?
Guess what?
It hasn't been America for a long time, unfortunately.
You're correct.
You're doing drones well.
That's fair enough.
That's another subject.
Do we do military tech well?
Lord knows what's at the basis of that, though.
I mean, you know, to your point
about Ford, yeah, there is a recall
on everything, on every Ford
for something.
And it's usually technologically based.
And a lot of them can really,
not necessarily brick a car,
but really take the enjoyability away from it.
You know, if something within the dashboard
goes bad.
So I don't know,
you know, I think like you said,
the more hybrid route,
I think is where we'll end up, you know,
as we talk about the pendulum
and the fact that we swung way, way electrical.
And I think we're going to,
we're not going to come back to the old days
of nothing but gas.
But I think more hybrid will be
on the market.
Yep.
Speaking of that,
speaking of more hybrid on the market,
guess who else is canceling EVs?
Oh, let me see.
Who else is big?
That would be our friends at Porsche,
who people were quick to point out
that we said Porsche was canceling their EV plans.
They were like,
no, they're just canceling it from the GT3
or the GT4 RS and the GT4 cars.
Like, no, no, no.
We knew this was coming.
The writing was on the wall.
The boxer in the Cayman,
everything was supposed to be EV only
until they realized,
oh, wait a minute, everybody knows
our customers don't want that.
And so, of course,
those are going to be going back to hybrid,
which is good.
I don't know.
They already,
the hybrid 911s have already been doing pretty well.
And it doesn't make sense to have a full,
like to move the 718s
over to a full electrical lineup anyway.
Like there's small cars.
They don't put out a lot of emissions.
I think this was under the pressure
that everything must go electric
over in Europe by 2030.
Then it was 2035.
Now it's like probably not at all.
So that's, yeah, that's going away.
I couldn't be happier to hear that.
Hybrid is great.
I wish they would just stick
with ice motors and those things
because they sound so good.
It seems very sacrilegious
to make a Porsche completely electric.
Like I get the,
what is the big shooting break sedan
that's not the Taycan?
Is it?
The Cross Turismo?
Okay, that was it.
The Taycan Cross Turismo.
Cross Turismo, okay.
I mean, having one car like that,
I think is great.
But I think with Porsche,
the heart of those cars,
I mean, Ferdinand Porsche
would probably roll over in his grave
if he knew what they were doing
with his cars.
You can't, at the end of the day,
if you show me a video
of somebody driving a Porsche
and you take the sound away,
I can still hear it in my head
because that's the lasting effects
that Porsche has on automotive enthusiasts.
But I don't think that,
like you said,
if there's not customers
to buy these cars,
they're going to stop making them.
And I think Porsche has, you know,
the normal Porsche customer
has spoken up and said,
we don't want this.
You know, I'll take some hybrid.
I'll take, you know,
I'll take a little bit of extra boost
or maybe a little extra power,
but I want to hear that engine.
I want to hear that Boxer engine.
Yeah, exactly.
Like you said it right,
the Taycan is a great platform.
The Porsche does EVs well for the record.
If you've driven a Taycan,
they're going to take on,
they're great to drive.
They handle great.
They're really cool cars.
They're one of the better
layout cars as well.
When you get in them,
they're fun to drive.
But the small vehicles, the 718,
it just didn't make sense.
I think it was just kind of
shoving it down their throat.
And now they have to just,
they're saying they have to
redesign the 718 platform
entirely because the battery
was part of the structure
of the floor,
which is also a terrible
design in my opinion.
That would have made those cars
virtually worthless down the road
because it would have been
too expensive to replace
the batteries.
It's my guess.
I don't have the,
I haven't looked at the engineering
side of this to know how
difficult it would be to pull
a battery out of one of those,
but saying it's part of the
substructure worries me a bit.
So I'm glad they're doing that.
I hope they switch to
like a electric-turbo
hybrid system with like
an all-wheel drive.
That could be really fun.
Corvette did it really well
in the e-ray.
Like there's a good,
there's room in that market
for that kind of competition.
And Porsche coming in,
it just maybe probably
a slightly higher price point
with the GT model hybrid
with those electric turbos
could give like that.
Because if you think of the e-ray
being in the hundred and,
they're about a hundred to
a hundred and forty fully loaded.
There's a pretty wide range there,
but Porsche could come in
at a hundred and twenty,
a hundred and sixty
and probably sell all day.
And so I hope they take a note
from Corvette's playbook.
And I think people,
more people should
because Corvette's doing pretty
well.
So,
more competition,
more hybrid competition,
more hybrid competition, please.
I'm going to be interested to see,
you brought up a good point
with Corvette
because I was watching
Top Gear just released
an episode today
where they were in America
and they were testing the ZR1
against the GTD,
the new Mustang.
And it's,
when you put the stats up
against each other,
there's no real beating
the vet,
which I find surprising.
I mean price,
performance,
you know, zero to sixty
for the Mustang
was like three point two.
The vet was two point three.
Like it's half the price,
if not a quarter of the price.
And then you add in the ZR1X
when you get,
so you get the electricity
out of the, out of the e-ray.
I think that that's going
to dominate that market.
And I think,
and I have,
I'm trying to say this gracefully,
I think they're in different markets,
which is funny
because I think people
that are spending
a half a million
to over half a million
for a,
by the way,
the GTD is a beautiful car.
I've had,
I've had an opportunity
not to drive one,
but to see one.
It's,
everything about it is amazing.
But I think,
you know,
a ZR1
is more
obtainable
at
190 to 230
kind of thing in that range
than,
than 500,000
for that GTD.
Obviously,
there'll be a little bit more,
there's going to be a lot more
ZR1s,
ZR1Xs,
things like that,
but
I think,
and I will be interested to see
if the ZR1 market,
how many people are buying those,
driving them,
sitting on them,
on the Xs to show up.
Yeah.
So I've been browsing
the Corvette forums
just for fun
speaking of which,
and,
I know.
Corvette forums?
No,
I know.
I've never, right?
So I've been looking at
ZO6 prices,
Z-ray prices,
ZR1 and ZR1X prices,
and
I know for a fact
that a few people are getting
ZR1Xs with no ADM,
I know,
same with ZR1s,
ZO6s are really
not selling that well.
So if you could find
them on a lot that you
like,
the discounts are being
publicly published
like,
there's one in Salt Lake City
I was looking at,
not just out of curiosity,
I'm not shopping
ZO6s,
and
it was a
hundred and,
I think it was a
hundred and fifty-six
MSRP
optioned out
and they were selling it
for one forty-five.
That's,
and that's a twenty-five
ZO6.
So that's already
saying a lot.
These prices are coming down
because those cars aren't
selling like they hope.
When I said Corvette
is doing well,
I meant performance.
Numbers-wise,
nobody,
they're really not.
Sort of pre-Covid
market,
they're not as bad as that
where you're seeing
like those massive
twenty-thirty-thousand-dollar
discounts.
I'm hoping for that,
then I might be shopping
for one.
But the fact that
you're starting to see
ZO1s and ZO1Xs pop up
at 80 without ADM
is a good,
good sign for the
consumer.
And you're right.
I think the GTD is a
more,
it's in its own way,
I think it's a more
special car
because I think it's
more limited
than the ZO1X is
going to be.
And I could be wrong.
It's a little harder to get,
a little more limited production.
But I mean,
even the 4GTs,
the latest gen 4GTs,
suddenly became affordable
for a while
because they made more
than they said they would
and continue to do so.
I'm wondering if the GTD
could go the same way.
That could turn off
a lot of GTD owners
if they do that.
But that's a really
special car.
And if you're a
Mustang person,
that's as good as it gets.
I mean, there's never been
a better Mustang
performance-wise.
And the ZO1X,
there's never been
a better Corvette.
Even if you are mad
about the mid-engine part,
the numbers that's putting,
that car is putting down
is absolutely insane.
And for the money,
so that the public,
the prices have been
published in the ZO1X
is what it was getting at.
People are showing their
window stickers now
because if you go to
the Chevy site,
you weren't able to
see it for a long time.
But now people are
showing ZO1X's
are hitting the floors
of 270.
That car,
I mean,
it's insane to say
270 is a bargain,
but it's a bargain
for what you're getting.
For that level of
performance,
you're in hypercar territory
already.
So, and you know,
you're getting hybrid,
you're getting a car
that meets 50 state
emissions.
I mean, you're not
hybrid like people are
thinking, but it's got
all the right guts
for what everybody
wants.
It's the looks that
are going to be
controversial.
It's the Corvette
nameplate that's
going to be controversial.
You just want to throw
down numbers, dominate.
It's going to be the ZO1X
period.
I don't care what you're
driving.
Are people taking
delivery of those yet?
I mean, because I know
the ZO1s were at
230 or so.
But I didn't know
if they had started
introducing the ZO1X
as yet.
Not yet.
I haven't seen anybody
actually take delivery
yet.
I've seen people
show that they're
in production.
I guess I should
check the forum again
to see if anybody's
actually posted pictures
yet.
But I know they're
in production.
I know people are
expecting to get
high on ones
or when one sells at
Barrett Jackson to
Hendricks Motorsports
and he takes the
001.
Then I know, oh, they're
in production now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaking of electric cars,
go ahead.
Yeah.
To your point back
with Ford, Ford
lied to people with the
GT.
They absolutely
lied to the newer
GT, by the way.
Because
if you don't remember,
there was a big thing.
You had to submit
an application.
We were going to
make a certain number.
They were going to
make a certain number.
And then they came out
and went, oh, we're
going to double that.
And it just
cut the knees out
from everybody
that thought they had
these special specs
and things like that.
Then they
introduced special
versions in the
second batch with
these carbon series,
which don't get me wrong.
That was the
right thing to do.
But it was just
that was a real
kick in the
gut to people.
I mean,
the values have come
back, obviously.
And there's been
a lot of people who
don't do that.
I hope they don't do that
with the GTD.
Obviously the
demand is there.
I think there's plenty
of people out there
that will gladly give
forward $500,000
for that car.
And probably up to
600 for some of
the carbon series
cars.
So we'll
have to see.
I hope Ford
learned their lesson,
but then again,
they like money.
Yes,
and all the
manufacturers do.
Interesting thing
about the GTD,
fun fact I should
say about the GTD.
So there is a note
right from the factory.
You get a brand new
when it comes right to you.
They actually want you
to not drive your car
for 30 days
when you get it.
And the reason they're
getting that note now
is because it's cold
and that paint
hasn't cured yet.
And so they're
literally asking
drivers, I mean,
you can, you can do
whatever you want.
It's your car.
But they're
asking drivers not to
not to drive them.
They want them to sit
for about an extra 30 days
to allow the paint
fully cure
versus letting them
sit at the factory
and wait,
I've seen that with some
of the dealerships that
the owners of dealerships
that have taken then.
Also, there's some people
that are using the excuse
and this is true
that if you take a car in
that has just been painted
like that and has an
off-gast
and you put clear bra over it,
when you take that
clear bra off someday
you could end up
pulling the paint off
which would then expose
all the beautiful
carbon fiber underneath.
But still,
that's a big issue.
And I think a lot of
people don't quite get that
and it is tough.
I don't get me wrong.
You wait that long
for a car
and the dealerships
don't drive it.
I mean,
that'd be easy
if you took delivery in the
winter.
I follow this
one of these YouTube
channels,
they're in Alabama
and they took delivery of one
and they had to sit
for 30 days
because they couldn't
even take it to the clear
bra place until
it had off-gast.
Yep.
We saw people that
after they would
pick up their paint
or would paint their cars
even after it was cured.
You know,
throwing it through
the heat booth
they're like,
no, just if you can
get an option.
But with a GTD
you probably do.
So,
that would be an
interesting daily driver
if you didn't.
It would be a great
daily driver.
I would love that.
Like, I mean,
it's,
I was,
one of these days
I just want to sit
in one
because I want to see
that active
suspension working
in the rear-view mirror.
That's my,
yeah.
Yeah,
I'd probably crash
watching my
rear-view suspension.
But,
officer,
you don't understand
what I'm saying.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I was going to bring
you something cool
from our friends at
Rivian again.
So,
Rivian is introducing a,
it's not a new technology
but it's new for them
and it's new
for most electric cars
and that is LiDAR.
LiDAR has been around
a while.
What is it?
Distance and
ranging.
Is it
laser?
What does LiDAR stand
for?
Light detection and
ranging.
LiDAR stands
for radio detecting
and it's light
detecting and ranging
is what LiDAR stands for.
So,
basically,
it emits
like millions of
these little laser pulses.
Like,
think of a laser
show with all the smoke.
Well,
it's doing that
about a million times a
second.
And it's
doing that all over.
You can't see it.
It's not in the same
frequency that we
look at.
So,
it doesn't blind you.
But this gives you
a much better view
of your surroundings
than radar
or cameras.
And it uses all
of those things.
So,
you can see
that LiDAR is
saying that they can use
that auto drive feature
even on roads without
markings.
Markings are a big deal
for self-driving.
You have to have
clear signs
and clear lines
and no massive
potholes.
So,
basically,
if you don't live
in Washington,
self-driving works pretty
well.
If you
live in a state
where they actually
use the taxes on the
roads instead of just
throwing it out the
window at God knows
what,
it's not going to
play off,
especially in those
really poor conditions
where you can't see
as well.
I don't mean poor like
you shouldn't use
auto-driving when it's
snowing or when it's
fogging.
I'm talking about
like just like really
dark conditions on a
back road somewhere.
This is going to
eventually what gets
us into that next
step.
And it will be
really good for things
like taxis,
things like that
where they need to
actively avoid small
things that can still
do damage.
Rocks on the road,
we saw somebody
in California because
they had a rock in the road,
didn't drive around it.
Things like that
where people
running out,
they can see things
coming really, really
quickly.
Slam on the brakes even
harder so this is a good
safety technology.
I hope we see more
of that in all vehicles.
I don't mean
for self-driving,
I just mean for cruise
control.
We've joked about
how bad the auto-cruise
and lane departure
systems are in our
fords.
It kind of ping-pongs
back and forth in the
lane.
This is going to be
the thing that keeps
you.
Well, and as you were,
I mean a lot of these
systems air on the caution
side of it,
they won't even turn
on in the snow
because one,
the sensors get
covered up
and two, they're
smart enough to know
that they're not
getting good readings
and things like that.
And it's also why
your car yells at you
to put your hands back
on the wheel
and it's going to,
you know,
it'll drive you off
a cliff.
Or like our cars
which will yell at you
to put your hands on
the wheel.
Don't get me started
on that one.
Software.
I was yelling at it.
I was in the car
by myself yelling at it
today.
So,
our hands are on the wheel.
If there's a robot
uprising in our,
it's taking our
car's feedback
and our yelling
and our voice assistants,
we're going to be
some of the first to go.
Oh yeah, Alexa's
going to kill me
and that's the most,
that's the only
abusive relationship
I have in my life.
Right?
Yeah.
I would never speak
to a real human
like that,
but you know,
Skynet comes,
yeah.
Oh man,
I wish we were down here
still, man.
This last weekend
we did a hike,
we did Zion Canyon
and then
up to Bryce again
and family in town
and
the roads are clear
and dry
and beautiful
and empty
and it was just,
it's beautiful.
It's,
wish you were here.
I mean,
so many times,
it's,
it's,
it's a stronger
possibility all the time.
I think,
you know,
the more every time
I'm going to pay
things like that,
I'm going,
I don't like this
or paying four to some dollars
for four,
over four dollars a gallon
gas.
So I don't know.
I mean,
I'm Washington's our home,
but it's tough.
Like,
I mean,
it,
it looks so
well,
I'm being,
that's my problem.
I think if we come visit,
I don't know
if I'd want to come home.
So,
Oh, I don't.
The weather is nice.
Warmer,
I think we,
next time we will
shoot for a little warmer
in the summer,
and you know,
319 a gallon doesn't hurt
either for gas.
So it makes it pretty affordable.
I mean,
your adventurous just
hop in the car,
grab Kate,
grab the dog,
come say hi.
It's tempting.
I mean,
like I said,
if I,
I could work from anywhere.
I,
you know,
I'd love to,
it's,
it's in the cards somewhere.
I,
you know,
we need to,
I know her and I both have a,
a traveling spirit.
And so I think we,
you know,
we'll end up in that area
for some,
to see.
Well,
I just hope you come down and explore.
Cause you,
you guys would love it.
So much sightseeing.
And it's so,
so accessible.
I just,
yeah.
Yeah.
I heard it's really nice in the summer,
nice and cool.
You know,
totally.
Same weather as Vegas pretty much.
So if that does anything.
Yeah.
I don't,
don't compare it to Vegas.
I hate Vegas.
I can't do Vegas.
No,
I'm not a Vegas fan.
This is nothing like Vegas.
It's just hot.
Yeah.
I got you.
Same latitude,
longitude.
Latitude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
excellent.
Latitude.
Yeah.
Well,
I mean,
this will,
this will come out next week around Christmas.
And,
and then I,
we only have like a couple more weeks before you're back here
and we can start doing stupid stuff again.
Could you come rescue us?
Come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I should be back by the fifth or so somewhere back there.
Then we can all go play in the snow and the water maybe.
Yes.
It's probably going to be water.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Excellent.
All right, man.
Well,
I miss you.
Yeah.
We miss you too.
Looking forward to seeing you get back.
And I guess we'll chat with you next week.
For this episode of the Avants podcast as always,
I'm Nick.
And I'm Dan.
And don't just get there.
Enjoy the drive.
About this episode
The hosts dive into a mix of personal updates and automotive gear talk, including a new Milwaukee vacuum with a handy Bluetooth power button and radar detector upgrades like the Escort Maxcam 360. They discuss the challenges of extreme weather and its impact on vehicle maintenance, sharing tips on waxing versus polishing cars for protection. The conversation touches on Jaguar's recent leadership shakeup and hopes for a return to their performance roots. There's also enthusiasm for a new Jaguar F-Type review and practical advice on keeping cars clean and protected in varying climates.
Original notes
The ZR1 and Mustang GTD finally have gone head to head and the ZR1 proves it's almost impossible to beat, not just by the GTD, but by basically anything on the market. We can't wait to see the ZR1X and what numbers it's going to put down. If you're willing to wear the jorts, the Corvette is likely going to be king for a long time. In other good news, Porsche has finally back peddled on the full EV Cayman/Boxster that no one wanted.
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