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I'm your host, Doug Tabott, here with my co-host, Tyler Sanders.

We're the automotive news and entertainment show that's not just for car people.

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to the contrary.

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Take a breath, Doug.

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Easy, easy.

Over here.

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That's true.

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Warmup Lab.

It was fueling this podcast, Tyler.

Well, the same stuff that it was fueling the last podcast.

I'm drinking some Jelonek Fernet that is delicious and porty and Amaro Bittery.

It's wonderful.

I've moved on to an organic reposado tequila.

And I forget the brand, but it's wonderful because it doesn't have any additives.

That's one thing that I didn't realize because whiskeys and bourbons especially are

very strict on what can be called a bourbon.

That I don't have to worry about additives, colorings, et cetera, but you and a couple

other friends are into tequila and that is apparently a whole thing.

Even in Scotch, they're adding coloring left and right.

It's wild.

No bueno.

Indeed.

We've got a couple updates.

We love to stay current on things that we have covered in the past just in case

you all aren't staying current.

This is your exclusive source of what's going on in the world.

I'm sorry.

It would be a great source, but late.

Late.

Very late.

This is a good time to ferment.

Yes.

Well aged.

That's right.

We like a good Scotch.

Leno's law that we talked about which was an exemption from emissions tests in

California for cars over 25 years old like many other states are doing because

let's be honest, very few are still on the road and the ones that are are not being

driven that much.

They make a marginal negligible is the better word and negligible impact on

greenhouse gases and otherwise harmful emissions.

It has been shot down in committee.

Of course.

Yeah.

I even saw a few weeks ago that some group of people had essentially gutted

it to only mean another four years of cars past the 1975 current limit or something like

it was essentially a shell of its former self.

As we have discussed previously is a lot of news, happenings, stories, things like the

first bang is great.

But then when nobody else is paying attention, no updates follow.

Listen, even if they had gone, so I believe California is a strict 1976.

Yes.

It was 76.

Even if they had gone to when essentially most U.S.

production cars had conformed to the new emissions rules that came around in 1980.

If they had gone to like 1985, they just bumped it 10 years and said, figured out the

percentage of cars that are still on the road prior to 1985 and just gone.

This is nothing.

The combined emissions, harmful emissions of cars pre-1985 in California is probably

the equivalent of two Teslas driving to Google, commuting every day like it's nothing.

So even if they had moved it up to where it was more feasible to still get smog

equipment and buy cars that had their original smog equipment and weren't completely choked

out because early smog equipment was crap.

And let's be honest, often it reduced the quote unquote tailpipe emissions, but it was

far more harmful because it also reduced gas mileage and the warm-up cycle made them

run super rich and stuff like that.

It's just, yeah, they're not saving the world by striking this law down.

And it's unfortunate that they did, but California is going to California.

And it's still crazy to me that out of all the places in the U.S., California seems like

the place to be, probably more of Los Angeles itself, but California seems to be the place

to be for if you're a car person, but they're the most restrictive.

Indeed.

Just like carburetors and catalytic converters are restrictive to the Air Force on cars.

Yeah, California is the catalytic converter of the world.

Another update on Montana LLCs.

We made a video, man, at least a year ago talking about how Montana LLCs were a bad idea.

The juice was not worth the squeeze.

The reward was not worth the risk.

We did not say they are legal or illegal, one, because there's different laws in all

50 states.

So the legality depends on the state, two, we're not attorneys.

You have to consult an attorney to determine whether or not you qualify for said loophole.

It's not a blanket declaration, but, man, you'd swear from the comments that it was.

We had internet attorneys galore saying, you guys are idiots.

This is 100% legal.

And I'm like, you can't say that.

Are you an attorney?

Number one, if so, in what state?

And I've never heard an attorney say, this is 100% legal.

There is always some sort of caveat or whatever, especially with something like a Montana LLC

that is a gray area, period.

It's literally, I got this.

There's 50 states.

It's 50 shades of gray.

Oh, there it is.

Yes, on the fly.

Go ahead, Tyler.

Oh, but yeah, we didn't even say if it was legal or illegal.

We just literally said it's not worth it.

Pay your taxes.

They're probably going to get caught, like some TLDR of that.

I said it was not worth it for me.

And I cited anonymous experiences of people who have been sued by the state and people

accused me of making stuff up.

No one's ever been sued.

I'm like, I literally know multiple people who have had lawsuits against them, not just

threats.

But yes, it wasn't probably worth it for those people.

Some of them it was because they won those lawsuits.

But for me, it's not worth it to be in that lawsuit personally.

Yeah.

Anyway, states are cracking down Illinois, the California of the Midwest is cracking

down.

I'm going to need you to show your work at some point on that.

What does that mean?

What does it mean?

Look at their politics.

Oh, I don't actually.

I live in Ohio.

I don't really care what.

They have just updated their laws, retailers, Occupation Tax Act, the Use Tax Act, the Service

Occupation Tax Act, blah, blah, blah, Illinois vehicle code.

Sounds so sexy.

Right.

Previously, dealers were not responsible for collecting sales tax from Montana LLCs.

Right?

We don't care who you are.

Just whatever.

Now it is a dealer's problem because they have updated the code to quote, add

a presumption that the non-resident purchaser exemption claimed on such-and-such forms does

not apply to transactions where the purchaser is a limited liability company and a member

of the LLC is a resident of Illinois.

I feel like this is a smart way to get around the problem.

It pretty much puts the kibosh on the whole biz.

Yeah.

So at least in Illinois, dealers cannot give tax exemption at the time of sale if the

person behind the LLC who's purchasing it is a resident of Illinois.

Let's see.

It adds a presumption that the exemption from motor vehicle, the sold in Illinois to non-resident

where the vehicle is titled in Illinois does not apply, said that already.

A purchasing non-resident LLC with a member who is a resident of Illinois may rebut the

presumption that the exemption does not apply by providing evidence such as proof the item

is insured for primary use at an address outside of Illinois or proof that the item will be

permanently stored or garaged at a physical address out of Illinois to their selling retailer

to properly claim the non-resident purchaser exemption.

So Illinois is basically saying, nope.

Love it.

For Illinois residents who are trying to skirt the taxes by forming a Montana LLC at the

time of sale, done.

Well, and this seems like it creates some probably annoying hoops and hurdles for real

people who have this situation where they have a Montana LLC and the whatever.

So, but I imagine...

Are there any?

Well, that's what I was saying.

I imagine that is such a small group of people that the extra legwork is probably

annoying for that one or two people.

But yeah.

Yes.

It's great.

Can you imagine if California did this?

Holy moly.

California has been pretty strict on Montana LLCs for a while.

I know there are a lot of Montana plates out there, and a lot of them are to get around

smog rules, interestingly enough.

But I feel like Ohio is not far behind Illinois here because Ohio has been tattling on people

who are buying out of state who have Montana LLCs, so they've been tattling to other states

for quite a while.

Nice.

So, Ohio is probably going to read what Illinois did and enact this pretty soon.

I would not be surprised at all if this is coming down the pipeline for a lot of other

states.

So, it's unfortunate, but I have to say, unfortunately, I think we were right and

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Speaking of government oversight, there's a couple articles lately that are very

concerning to me, and they're all about the surveillance company Flock.

Flock is mostly known, at least to me, as having the license plate readers or ALPR, automatic

license plate readers, that are mounted on vehicles, mostly police vehicles, but I've

seen civilian vehicles with them, bail bondsmen and stuff, and mounted at the outskirts

to certain cities.

This is a city we used to live in.

Twinsburg has them at the entrance, and if somebody drives by them and they go, oh, this

plate comes back to somebody with a felony warrant, okay, let's go get them.

Dispatches the cops, they maybe go make an arrest, and we had a pretty crazy situation

actually when we lived there.

There's a police chase into our neighborhood that was triggered by a Flock camera who

picked up a felony warrant.

Why somebody with a felony warrant would drive a vehicle registered to them, I don't

know, put a dang fake plate on it already, but they crashed out a couple blocks from

us and the guy was on the loose, and this was like, I don't know, 11pm, and I had

the scanner on, or I heard the siren, so I put the scanner on and there's a felon

who's running around our neighborhood, so I went out in the backyard with my dog,

and I let him out to see, make sure, because I knew he would sniff out if somebody

was hiding in our backyard.

You could sniff him out if they were down the street.

Yeah.

Start barking about it.

Yeah.

If there were Girl Scouts trying to sell us cookies, eh criminals, get them.

It was a little bit crazy, and at that point I'm going, man, this is great, cops

are here, they're getting these felons off the street, well, sort of, or not.

They're running around.

They're entering into people's backyards, Doug.

Backyards, but, however, however, what Flock is doing now is essentially time

traveling us to 1984.

One of the articles comes to us from the ACLU of South Dakota, and I'm not the

biggest fan of ACLU in general, but I am a fan of our constitutional rights

as individuals, and it seems like, oh boy, this is the new Patriot Act here, but

with a private company.

Surveillance, the article reads, surveillance company Flock now using AI to

report us to police if it thinks our movement patterns are, quote, suspicious.

Yikes.

Yeah, the police surveillance company Flock has built an enormous nationwide

license plate tracking system, which dreams records of Americans' comings

and goings into a private national database that makes it available to

police officers around the country, so the cops can search these movement

records of any vehicle that they identify that comes to their attention.

But now the company is analyzing our driving patterns to determine if

we're, quote, unquote, suspicious.

I feel AI somewhere in here, Doug.

What's that AI?

Oh.

Didn't you hear in the headline that's using AI?

I'm just trying to grapple with this whole, look, Doug, so I've been, this might

not be, this might not resonate with you, but I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077

lately, fantastic video game.

I thought it was a band, but okay.

No, no, no, it is about a dystopian far future where private corporations

run everything, lots of surveillance, like essentially techno dystopia in

another flavor from like Blade Runner and stuff like that, but this

feels eerily like that kind of situation.

It just makes me feel uncomfortable.

The, what is suspicious and suspicious to who?

And that's a very good question because that is already, I don't agree with

all the First Amendment auditors, quote, unquote, but I also know that

police will often overstep their bounds and the bounds of our

constitutional rights during traffic stops because they think something

is suspicious.

Now, suspicion alone is not reason to extend a traffic stop, to do

an unconstitutional search, to really do anything to detain somebody.

There has to be reasonable, articulable suspicion, suspicion of a crime.

There has to be something more than just, yeah, you're suspicious.

Does this mean that those people that have the, the, the, the signs

on their windows that says, I will not put down my window.

I was sectioned this of the law.

Sovereign citizens?

Yeah, the sovereign citizens.

No, they're totally off base.

Okay.

No, if you were stopped for a traffic stop in almost every state,

you have to provide your ID.

And typically the things told to you during a traffic stop are quote,

unquote, lawful orders.

Again, this is not legal advice here.

This is just like, this is, this is what it is.

There's some states, every state has their own nuance of what is a

lawful order during a traffic stop.

But I know there's a, there's one specific, I think it's a federal law that came

as a result of a lawsuit years and years ago as now case law that a police

officer cannot extend a traffic stop beyond what is reasonable for the

original purposes of the traffic stop.

So they can't just be like, oh, well, you know, what you're doing,

where are you going, what do you have in your car?

Like, unless there is suspicion that arises during the course of normal

traffic stop, they can't just be like, well, we're having a drug

dog come out for watch it.

Yeah, like our traffic stop is over.

So that that's, so that's where in person, this quote, unquote,

suspicion thing can get out of hand.

But now we have cameras using AI to determine that we might be

suspicious purely based on our movements.

Now, a little shifty over there.

Sounds good, because they're saying we're targeting human trafficking,

drug trafficking, organized crime.

Those are all bad things that we as citizens want stopped.

100% another tool to potentially stop those things on board for that

specifically, however.

But where does it end?

This is a very broad spectrum, especially when we have no

accountability with this private company of what determines suspicion.

What if they get hacked?

I go for fun drives randomly.

Yeah, this very suspicious.

I guess cannonball suspicious person's rocketing across country.

You might have a point with the cannonball they're doing.

What are you saying?

I just, you're moving a little quick occasionally, sometimes

allegedly, I was a drug trafficker.

I drive the speed limit.

That's true.

That's suspicious.

Driving 150 miles an hour is not suspicious.

It's illegal, but not suspicious in the least bit.

But this is like, what is suspicious?

And the, whoever's looking at the data or getting notified could

have a different definition of suspicious.

And this is.

Well, and this is actually funny back to cannonball.

They're using a tool called multi-state insights.

Many large-scale criminal activities such as human and narcotics trafficking

and organized retail crime involve movement across state lines.

True.

With our new multi-state insights feature, law enforcement is alerted

when suspect vehicles have been detected in multiple states, helping

investigators uncover networks and trends linked to major crime organizations.

So if you're going to Disney with your family, apparently now

you might be human trafficking.

I got to say, though, this interstate situation, this could have been

the proof that Fred Ashmore so desperately needed.

No.

I just, I don't know.

No, it could have been had he actually done his claimed cannonball.

Here's another scary thing.

This comes from 404media.co.

Flock, the surveillance company with ALPR cameras and thousands of

communities is looking to integrate with a company that makes AI powered dashcams

placed inside people's personal cars.

The move could significantly increase the amount of data available to

Flock and in turn, its law enforcement customers.

So Flock is basically wanting to partner with the dashcam company

to turn private vehicles into roaming surveillance tools per this article.

Hate it so much.

See, this is why I don't have, I'm going to sound like a conspiracy

theorist, where's my tinfoil?

I don't have a ring camera.

I don't have any of this like.

I was going to say, you're not married.

So yes, you don't have a room.

Almost, we're getting there.

But in all of that stuff that seems to be, oh, this is so convenient.

You get a video of that.

It goes through our server.

We get it's like, no, no, no, no.

That's just, I don't even want a Roomba.

I don't want anything mapping my house that goes like, I know this has to

go to somebody else's server and I know it's not going anywhere.

I just don't trust it.

This is what I get for being in technology.

I don't trust any of it.

I agree.

Oh, I still have a smartphone.

I acknowledge the hypocrisy of me holding this rectangle that is sending

a lot of data, but I, I acknowledge the risk of this rectangle and

I don't want any more.

I am perfectly willing to throw my smartphone in a lake.

If, if my business could survive without it, I, I would

go live in 1984 and not the proverbial 1984, the actual 1984.

No stinking cell phones and, uh, carburetors.

Uh, when did we get fuel injection?

That's where I'm looking at.

Racing NASCAR.

Do it for Dale.

A fuel injection like the 40s.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we're long, long time ago.

It's not ubiquitous until later, but, uh, this is scary stuff.

Honestly, I am all about law enforcement using the tools available

to them to enforce real crime.

I am not about when broad strokes laws are made or tools are

given that can, can be used just the power that is given to

these companies to collect data on law abiding citizens is, is scary.

It comes back to Thomas Jefferson's quote, not Thomas Jefferson.

Those who would give up liberty in the name of security will

have neither butchering the quote, but.

So I, hmm, I don't like this.

I have found, I think from Flock's own website, flocksafety.com that

they secured in March of this year an additional $275 million in funding

from the government, from green Oaks capital, bedrock capital,

Meritech capital, matrix partners, sans capital founders fund,

Kleiner Perkins, Tyner, Tiger global and Y combinator.

None of those are the federal government, which I don't necessarily

want to say I trust the federal government with this, these datums.

I don't trust large corporations, hedge funds either hedge funds

and venture capital funds.

And all they care about is profit.

So eventually VC money ruins everything.

Well, it comes back to the Facebook model of people have discovered

that we are the product, not the customer.

And in the case of flock, we are the product, but the customer

is the federal government or local on and or local law enforcement agencies.

I just, I don't like that a for-profit company is gathering up this data.

That's my problem.

If this was for public good, allegedly under the guise of public good.

Well, I'd feel I'd sleep a little easier at night, I guess is though.

I wouldn't be great, but it'd be like, whatever, this sucks.

But I feel even worse.

Maybe that's a better way to put it.

I feel even worse that this is private, like investment hedge fund,

hedge funded stuff.

I in some sense, I will agree with you there because as we've seen

with the suppression of free speech, we'll say, or the censorship

that is done by companies like TikTok, which we've recently

been demonetized from for no apparent reason.

And Facebook and Instagram, et cetera.

Those private companies are exempt from upholding constitutional rights

that belong to individuals because they're not the government, they're

private companies, but they are essentially becoming an arm of the federal government.

So you have this private company flock who's going, well, we're a private

company, we can violate all your constitutional rights all we want

because we're a private company, but our customers are federal government.

So they're a subcontractor of the federal government who's an end

around for our constitutional rights.

So it's scary.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who said those would give up essential

liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither

liberty nor safety.

Do you like the vamping I did about sadness to give you the time to

figure that?

Yes.

Is that we're professionals here on switch.

And that's from NPR.

I've quoted NPR and ACLU, which if you've listened long, I'm sort

of libertarian, but listen, I'm all about running temp.

Truth, I'm all about the Constitution.

And yeah, I'll side with anyone who's on the side of that.

Is it time for true negotiator?

It is one last point.

This is why a lot of cannonballers are putting just straight up fake plates

on their cars, not like fictitious plates in the terms of like this goes

to a different car, but just like eBay plates.

Because you can't track the movement of a plate that isn't in the system.

And if any of you are from the UK or Australia, you know that we're

just catching up to you guys.

That's the draconian laws and enforcement methods that are going

on using cameras in those countries are absolutely freaky.

And I think the only reason the US is so far behind is because of the

in the natural inefficiencies that come with state sovereignty is

like these states don't talk to each other and can't without subpoenas

and stuff like that.

And, you know, you have the federal government and then state government

and different government departments.

And that's one of the only things keeping a lot of our

civil liberties and personal liberties alive is the inefficiency

of government to violate them.

But boy, it's coming, it's coming via via flock, not a fan.

Shrew negotiator.

This is when somebody's trying really hard to sell or buy something

and end up maybe trying too hard.

Facebook Marketplace 2007 Ferrari 612 Scalietti.

Nice factory gated manual.

Nice for only one hundred forty four thousand bucks.

It was cheap. It is cheap.

Odometer shows thirty seven hundred miles, but the instrument cluster

was replaced in 2015.

It's a 2009 European 612 engine installed by Beverly Hills Ferrari.

Nineteen thousand miles is actual in 2012.

The car was caught in a subterranean garage during Hurricane Sandy.

Subterranean quickly became submarine.

I was going to say, did it become like an aquarium afterwards?

Is this like fish women through the windows?

A replacement engine and instrument cluster were installed.

It has a flood title.

Yikes run, but the car runs perfectly and looks fine.

It's far superior to the American version.

The car was made for American production.

It is not a European car.

What's the American vert? What?

I don't know. I think he's talking about the engine,

but it was not clear because it's a European 612 engine,

which is far superior to the American version, even though he's talking about the car.

Bizarre, the 612 is initially underappreciated.

It's coming to its own as the finest, most comfortable luxury

touring car Ferrari ever made at the factory manual turns mission to the mix.

And you have the sport that people want, but can't get with the F1 transmissions.

Only 199 manuals were made, blah, blah, blah through the entire production run.

2007 is the last year Ferrari made manual transmissions wrong.

2010 was the bottom line is that other than the piece of paper,

you know, the flood title, not to mention the saltwater and sand everywhere.

Joey Craig has entered the chat. It's just a piece of paper.

You ain't got this car is far superior to any 612 on the market

with an F1 transmission. It's a smooth criminal.

These people who like, I don't need the Wikipedia frigging chat GPT history

on why a Ferrari 612 is great.

Tell me about what was repaired, the service history.

Like I need real data on this car,

especially on a flood title car.

How many miles has it had?

Oh, it's what have you done since then?

How many electrical issues? It's dry now.

It's dry now.

Hopefully the engine isn't.

Well, that's true.

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It's time for story time with Doug Tabott.

Ooh, we cover a lot of news topics on here, but sometimes

it's just nice to reflect on things that happen in the car

business and barn finds are, of course, all the rage.

People love seeing stories of Ferraris, long lost Ferraris

or Lamborghinis discovered in barns and, you know, it's

like the, what's that show where people go on?

It's like the Cracker Barrel show where they bring their watches.

And oh, my gosh, Antiques Roadshow, Antiques Roadshow.

Yeah, yeah.

The Cracker Barrel show, not eating pancakes, but we got there.

Right. That's OK.

Man, I'm with the connection.

But there is a less glamorous side to barn finds for all

the ones that you see on TV or Facebook that go viral.

There's a whole bunch of just dilapidated cars rotting away

in barns that, unfortunately, are not worth anything.

Well, like one thing I've always wondered is, are there any left?

Yes. In the internet age, where everybody's searching,

everybody's grandma's barn looking for a hemicuda that's

one of 50 with this option made on a Thursday.

Like I can't believe they exist anymore.

Well, they're changing. OK.

Because barn finds used to be the one of one plum crazy

hemicuda with a hood mounted tack that has 13 miles on it.

And now it's that 1989 Toyota Supra.

Oh, yeah.

So they're evolving as the hoarders and neglectors evolve

as parents are from a different generation and stuck away

project cars that they swore they'd finish.

I got a buddy of mine that keeps telling me

once a project car is like, bro, no, you're not going to finish it.

Nobody know. OK.

Why don't you buy a car? You can drive a project car.

But a lot of it, too, is that

it takes time for those cars to come out.

A lot of them are known, but they're never

brought into the public light because they don't transact.

They're kept a secret for a long time.

Somebody may know about a car for 20 years

before it's a quote unquote barn find because then it's finally brought out.

Ed Bullion recently with the help of the private detective guy

discovered the Lamborghini Diablo Vs. Yes.

So that was essentially a barn find that was hidden away.

Nobody knew where that was.

I was searching for it for a while.

And yeah, so that's a nineteen ninety seven, eight.

I think it was.

That's a barn find.

I guess it's our era barn find anger find or whatever.

But in searching for these barn finds,

I found a couple pretty cool ones,

but I found some really, really not ones, not ones, not cool.

No, no, I think that works, just they're not.

They're not walk away, turn around.

They are found, but I wish I didn't find them.

And in the last couple months,

we've uncovered some things we kind of wish we didn't.

I was called out to a collection of about ten cars

in Eastern Ohio and there were some MG 1500s,

which are nice, but nothing super collectible.

Some other random cars and I think it was a fifty seven T bird.

And they had been there for decades, as most of them are.

And sometimes that's a good thing because you go, well, shoot,

they're going to be really, really low miles.

And even though they might need a restoration,

somebody out there wants a car that's been tucked away for 50 years

and not driven because that's just what people want.

Go to some of these crazy auctions and a barn find brings almost as much

as a pristine example because people are buying the story.

Yes. And people like the process of spending money on a restoration.

I don't know why.

Well, and I think there's some draw to being able to do the restoration

yourself and make decisions and make sure it's done to your taste.

You're not trusting some other guy to not cut corners.

It's something to do.

Just or like redecorating the house or whatever women like to do.

I don't know. What are they even doing?

What are the women? I don't understand them.

So I went out there and the T bird was the nicest car there,

which wasn't saying much.

The unfortunate part was that it needed everything done, full restoration.

It was rusty underneath.

It hadn't ran when parked, but it also wasn't low miles.

It was 25, 35, whatever thousand miles.

I could see two to three layers of paint all in different colors.

So it wasn't even a survivor car.

It was just straight up a car that needed a restoration

and a really, really good T bird of that era is 30 to 35 grand.

A banana's award winning rest restoration car,

fresh restoration would be, I don't know, 80 grand, maybe.

So not worth it to not worth it to restore.

Yeah, maybe somebody wanted the project because usually people

who restore cars recognize that they're not going to get their money back.

So it's like, OK, well, that one's maybe a little bit interesting,

but not to me.

We go out into the barn where all the rest of the cars were.

The lady and her sentiments were accurate.

My husband bought two MG 1500s.

One of them was a restoration project.

The other was a parts car.

I'm not sure which one is which.

Well, OK, so let's be honest.

If you're buying a parts car for a restoration project,

they're both parts cars.

No, I would disagree because like one has something.

One is salvageable.

The other only has things which are salvageable or usable.

I guess, but they're both rough.

They were both so rusted through.

I went into this barn.

It was a dirt floor first problem.

Yes.

And the groundhogs had made such a mess of it

that we had to like watch where we stepped.

It was land mines in the sense of like holes,

caves that we would fall into.

And the bodies were rusted through.

I couldn't tell which one was supposed to be a parts car.

And I wasn't even sure if either of them were usable

as parts cars at this point.

There was a couple of Chrysler's that I didn't know what they were.

And there was a Jaguar XK SS replica, OK,

which was actually in the best condition

because it was fiberglass.

Yeah, so the body was OK.

And, you know, she's like, well, somebody wants them.

You know, the old there's an ask for every seat mentality.

I was like, I honestly think you're going to have to pay

somebody to take these away.

Like, I'm not even sure they're worth scrap.

Maybe the Chrysler's were maybe and maybe the T-bird.

But I'm thinking about it going.

I'm 40 now.

I arguably have more money than time.

And I think about project cars as my million mile

for our 456 GT is rotting now a year and a half

into trying to service it going.

When you commit to one of these cars,

you're not just committing to a car.

You're committing to giving

a portion of your limited time left on this earth to this car.

And I'm at a point in life where I love saying, no,

somebody wants me to join a committee.

No, somebody wants me to volunteer.

No, I am fully committed to what I have already.

And anything that I am committing to comes at the expense

of something else at this point in my life.

So to buy a car like that to me is I wouldn't take it

if you gave it to me with the money to restore it

because I'm going, that's time.

Yeah, it's time off of my life.

Now, if you find enjoyment in that, awesome.

Well, and I think that's a different story

because that brings you something.

It's not just a draw on you.

It's it brings you joy, brings you satisfaction, whatever.

That's what you want.

Fine, like you said, but not everybody is that way.

Also the type of car that that is like those

those people are dying off.

So the number of people that want to restore

those types of cars is almost none.

The next one we went out to look at.

We had a good success with the Portion 993

that was bought off of a widow and she had had it for a number of years.

That one was only parked for like two years

and it was actually in quite good condition.

It just had a tiny bit of interior mold that was easily treatable

and the car ran and was fine and needed catch up service.

And yeah, you know, it was leaky and stuff like that.

But it was like a good car.

So that was red.

So sad it was red.

Harry Tyler.

God, Doug, can't you find better color?

Sorry.

But then the next day we went out to look at a Porsche 996

that we thought was just like, OK, well, it was a very, very low mile car.

Hold on a second, Doug.

Yes, 996s are coming into the realm of barn finds.

Are you kidding me? This one was. Oh, my God.

It was a 996 Cabriolet first strike.

Gray interior, second strike.

No, no, no, no, no, plus we're back up to

near we're not zero tip.

Tronic. Oh, no, negative third and fourth strike.

But it had like 20,000 miles on it and a factory hard top.

So we go out to this garage thinking all we're doing is just picking up a 996.

We put the key in and drive it back to our shop. Yeah.

The car was stored with the top down.

Oh, which is not great for tops.

Yeah, because it the servos.

Yeah, yeah, because it get like creasy and full and like the things freeze up.

Yikes. Yeah.

This car had more mold than an abandoned cheese factory.

How? I don't know.

It was disgusting.

We walked up to it and just turned around and walked away and told the guy

we're not touching this car.

He's like, well, it can be clean, not by us. Yikes.

I recommend that you find.

I mean, it was covering the seats, the dash,

the interior was as fuzzy as a frigging baby.

God, how it was disgusting.

Was it stored in like a bat, like a it was just I don't think it was leaky.

And he said, oh, I don't have any leaks in here.

I'm like, I walk in here and I smell the must.

Like it's just a damp building.

Just was not stored well at all. Yikes.

And I'm like, Yikes, it's already a tip nine, nine, six cab.

And it is literally the most undesirable nine, nine, six.

You could possibly practically need to pay somebody

$50,000 to take that car away from you.

OK, now, now, now, don't be a snob

just because you have a rare green manual seat to coon, whatever.

It's just unfortunate that that this is what's happening.

So that one we walked away from.

So multiple strikes.

And then I went out again, Eastern Ohio,

to look at a 59 Cadillac Coupe de Ville.

Now, that is one of the boomer cars that is kind of surviving

because it just absolutely so beautiful.

And it was sent by the person who passed away to a storage facility.

And it was it was nice when it was sent there.

But the storage facility was an outdoor dirt floor shed.

Whoa. And it had sunk in into the ground.

Oh, no. And was likely completely rusty underneath.

And it was just very, very sad because in order to get to it,

we were avoiding yellow jackets, nests and, you know,

climbing over dirt and other tools and stuff.

And it just like it was a sad picture of.

I mean, honestly, like all of these were a picture of

kind of the the fleeting nature of life

and the things upon which we place value.

And and like we're seeing the.

Diminution of value of.

That's a big word.

I don't know if I used it right.

But homeschooler here, I just say it confidently.

And of.

Cars from the 40s, 50s and 60s as that generation is dying off.

And so these barn finds, even if they're cared for,

becoming less and less valuable.

And it was just kind of like this.

I had this philosophical moment where we're like stuck

in this in between of the circle of life.

I'm at the point where I'm starting to collect cars

and the cars that we love are starting to become

really, really valuable.

And then I'm seeing the previous generation where

their cars are just tanking in value

as they're dying off.

Is this and I think your answer to me is going to be no.

I think that this is the first time

that we are seeing this as starkly.

As what you are talking about.

So I think there was a generation that was probably really

into prewar stuff, because you're talking about

among all postwar muscle cars, 60s, 70s, 80s cars.

When the when the transition happened

from the prewar stuff to the 60s, 70s muscle cars

or the 50s, even the 50s, like shark fin, whatever.

We were not as connected as a people.

So I think we didn't the view that you are talking about

wasn't as common because people didn't see it online.

Like you've seen it firsthand.

You're talking about a lot of firsthand experiences.

But I think we can see this stuff happening online.

And it's the first time that somebody like me

gets to bear witness to some day that will happen to 996 GT3s.

Nobody's going to give a hoot and they'll be rotting

and worthless.

But it's something that I hold at such a high like,

oh, my God, I like have to have this.

Right. We're we're seeing a stark difference

between the explosion of values in the cars that we appreciate

and the tanking and values of cars

that we also don't necessarily care about.

But have always been, oh, my God, these are expensive.

I'm still amazed.

And when we were coming up with our cars,

you can have for under 25 K episode that we did previously.

I was amazed at what you could get from like the 60s

because in my head, I'm like, oh, this is like a $60,000 car

because I remember the 50s, 40s, 30s. Yeah.

Like I'm going to my Barrett Jackson,

like all these crazy things and propped up by

the one of one Hemicuda with the three options or whatever.

Like all of that market cooling so significantly wild.

The lesson here, sell your stuff when you're like 65

because that's when everybody else has the money,

you got to get the money to have it before you're 65.

And then sell it then, get off the sinking ship, essentially.

This is not financial advice. Yes, it is.

Yeah, it's it was it's

it's frustrating because I'm I'm the curmudgeon already

that's complaining about being priced out

about my from my dream cars.

And I think that cycle is coming way earlier for us

because there's so much more money at a younger age

for our generation than there was for the boomers.

They work their butts off and at retirement

started collecting these cars or later in life.

Yeah. And they're only seeing this decrease in value

as they pass away.

And we're seeing that cycle start earlier

and you're right, it's we're seeing the two kind of clash.

It's it's a weird kind of clash with how connected and visible

our world is, I think. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's also sad because

the I'm seeing the people who can't

who physically can't enjoy their cars anymore

who still want to and they're not concerned about the dollar value,

but they physically can't get in or out of these cars that they love so much.

So yeah, it's interesting.

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Doug, what do we got for the pick of the week?

Pick of the week.

I've been driving this car home lately.

It's black on black, which is not my favorite color,

but I know some people love it.

It is a 2011 Aston Martin V8 Vantage

coupe with the desirable six speed manual transmission.

It is the kind of second generation V8 Vantage

with a 4.7 liter V8 and updated electronics

and sport suspension package.

And man, it is just a joy to drive.

These cars are really, really underrated,

in my opinion, in terms of dollar for value,

value for dollar enjoyment per dollar.

They make amazing sounds, fantastically appointed interior.

They don't have all the features you want,

carplay, blah, blah, blah, but who needs it

when you have a perfect exhaust note?

And if it was black over black is not a dandy set color,

I don't think so. Yeah. Not a challenge car for him.

Right. Let's see.

The flop of the week, I already knew

that the new M5 Touring was fat and heavy.

And OK, it's great that BMW is finally bringing a wagon

to the states that we've wanted in the past,

like eight generations.

Yeah. And this is what we get.

This this is what we get a fat pig.

But the local BMW dealer, Taylor Davis,

turned me on to this interesting fact.

It is so heavy that it qualifies

for the accelerated depreciation.

Exemption, which is for work trucks, essentially.

So this is a tax write off where I buy a work truck

used for company purposes over six thousand pounds

gross vehicle weight rating, which is the curb weight plus

the maximum weight of passengers and cargo.

If that's over six thousand pounds, you can write off.

I think it's 100 percent of the vehicle's value in the first year.

Now you have to use it exclusively for work purposes and stuff like that.

But a BMW Motorsports M stands for motorsports.

A M5 performance wagon is so freaking heavy

that it gets the work truck tax write off.

How about them apples?

My soul hurt BMW.

When we wanted this car, we wanted the one from like 20 years ago.

I want this garbage.

I want an E39 M5 wagon, which they never made.

Well, yeah, I said 20 years ago.

They didn't bring they would have brought it to the US podcast audience.

You feel the same.

This is not the garbage we wanted.

So heavy too late.

I'm going to go watch Top Gear and cry.

So heavy.

Because I got all the good stuff.

Prop of the week from the iron butt community.

The what?

Room old man, Pat Cornell, took his Indian motorcycle

and his challenge was to ride 125,000 miles in 125 days.

A thousand miles a day for 125 days straight.

Cannonballers be quaking in their boots.

That's in my goodness, right?

We have massage seats and crap.

This guy's on a motorcycle.

Iron butt, maybe iron bowels.

He is he did this for the Myotonic Dystrophy Foundation.

This was a charity ride.

Tyler, what is Myotonic Dystrophy?

Myotonic Dystrophy is a type of muscular dystrophy.

So really where your muscles get very weak

and you can't control them as well.

I don't there's a lot of specifics

that I'm not going to try to really get into,

but it is a very, very terrible disease.

Weakness of the voluntary muscles.

Inability to relax muscles

that will difficult to let go of someone's hand

after shaking it, for example.

I don't mean to make light of this,

but if I rode that much on a bicycle,

I don't think I would be let go of the grips.

I do think there's a lot of parallels

to what he was doing with this with Myotonic Dystrophy.

Maybe that's why you did it anyway.

Yeah, so he has completed it.

He did it. Hooray. Look at that insane.

His butt's got to be aching.

Right. Right.

One of the comments I just read said no frigging way

a Harley could do this without a top end

rebuild and new trans and a few dozen belts.

It's accurate. That's accurate.

So props to Pat Cornell.

A really, really amazing thing that you did

for charity, whether or not it was for charity.

That is awesome, but but massive,

massive props to you on that one.

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