Lillian Thall and Emily Winslow share their thrilling experiences from the Rebelle Rally, an all-female off-road navigation competition that emphasizes skill over speed. They discuss the challenges of navigating using only maps and compasses while driving a bone stock 2024 Honda Pilot Trail Sport through rugged terrain. The duo reflects on their performance, finishing eighth overall despite tough conditions and mechanical challenges faced by other teams. The episode also touches on automotive history and upcoming events in the car community.
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Get ready to shift gears and hit the off-road with Mercedes, Lilienthal, and Emily Winslow as we learn about the exhilaration and challenges of the seven-day Rebelle Rally. This adrenaline-fueled episode takes you straight into the driver's seat, navigating through the complexities of this unique event where electronics take a back seat to traditional paper maps, compass, and dead reckoning. Our guests, seasoned rally veterans, share their journey and experiences across the gruelling terrains. With Emily at the helm as the navigator, and the duo having partnered three times, you are sure to get a first-hand account of the thrill and camaraderie that makes the Rebelle Rally a unique adventure and a test of true grit - for ladies only!.
As the dust settles, we also dissect the nuts and bolts of what goes into surviving this seven-day ordeal. From weathering the storm damage in the area to mastering the capabilities of the stock crossover and fine-tuning a 285 horsepower V6 10 speed automatic engine, the Rebelle Rally is more than just a race against time, it's a test of skill, determination, and mechanical finesse. Mercedes and Emily open up about the joys of learning left foot braking, the honor of having dirt in their car as a trophy, and the anticipation for the upcoming 2024 Alcan 5000 rally that Mercedes and Andy will tackle. This episode is not just about the journey, but also the triumphs, the challenges, and the sheer thrill of off-road rallying.
In our feature segment, we have a review of the 2024 Mercedes-Benz GLS 450 4Matic.
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Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast, a 30 minute mini version of the In Wheel Time car show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am, Central On the telepathically commuting smoke and mirrors network.
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Alright, coming up, it's the grand downs of the Rebel rally.
Ebersity's Lillian Thall and Emily Winslow.
They're going to talk about this year's Rebel rally event.
Conrad has this week in auto history and we'll get you caught up on the stories making car news this week.
Howdy, along with Mike out of this World, Mars King, Conrad DeLong.
We need more Jeff Zeekin.
Oh yeah, I'm Don Armstrong.
Come for your Don.
You won't be able to talk anymore, the rest of the day now.
That guy put a lot of energy in that, that or pack a Marlboro.
Back in the day, we used to call those guys squeezers.
Oh, hey, hey, hey.
Squeeze their voice like that.
Oh, but it's different, stands out and that's what you want.
Alright, let's move on.
Shall we?
Mercedes, lillian Thall and Emily Winslow Hello ladies, it's so good to see you.
Hello, thanks for having us on the show.
Hello, okay, were you two paired up last year?
We were.
Okay, well, I thought that the name sounded familiar, but Mercedes, obviously we know you and it's good to see you without your husband for a moment.
Yeah, oh, he's there.
He's there somewhere you know he's lurking around in the room somewhere.
Tell him this.
Tell him that Rebell rally.
So, I don't know which one of you wants to explain to everybody what the rebel rally is, but I'll let you decide that and let us know what.
What is the rebel rally?
Well, emily, do you want to go first, and so the in wheel time crowd might not know who you are?
Do you want to mention who you are and how you fit into the mix?
Yeah, so my name is Emily Winslow.
Mercedes and I have been partners now three times in the rebel rally.
So basically what it is, it's an off road rally for points and time, not speed, and it's no electronics.
So they lock all our electronics up.
It's navigation by paper, map, compass, dead reckoning, things like that latitude, longitude.
So it's seven days of score competition.
It starts in kind of middle of California and goes all the way down to the border of Mexico, mostly off road, in either four by four vehicles or all wheel drive vehicles, and we're camping and we're driving 10 hours a day at least and just trying to find checkpoints out in the desert.
So, they're either green checkpoints, a big kind of flag that you know you're there.
Blue checkpoints are usually kind of a three foot stick in the ground, and then there's black checkpoints that there's no marker and that you hope you have navigated to the correct, exact square on the ground and you just you work all week to get points and see how well you can do.
I have to ask are you allowed to use a sextant?
No, everyone asks me that.
I think that's only for water.
No, no, you can use a sextant anywhere.
You just use it for the stars.
No, no, you just use it for the day, so probably wouldn't work.
These are some of the tools you can use, so I have props with me this time, guys.
So Emily still has a lot of my gear or her gear with me, because we basically drove back from Glamis near the Mexico border and I live in Oregon and then she lives in Washington and so she's she's got all her navi stuff by me, but you know map and compass and plotters to be able to plot on topographic maps.
So this is what she lives by and needs briefed by, and then I have duplicates in case we run them over.
OK, so those are the slide rules of the rebel rally, and so, emily, you're the navigator.
Correct.
Yeah.
So you don't know the route.
Until how long before the race?
the day of she had it real well.
I mean, we know where we start.
Like we we all met in Mammoth mountain this year to do the kickoff and we know it ends in Glamis and that's it.
So every morning at 5am you get up and she gives you your between 20 to 30.
Latitude longitude points for the day, and then I start mapping them with my rulers on the Any number of 1, 2, 3, 4 maps for the day, and then generally we start off the starting line around between 7 and 8am, depending on what number you pulled, and then you Navigate all day with the maps and Mercedes drives across the whatever crazy terrain we're thrown into and you just keep going so how accurate are the maps?
you said they're topical terrain maps, but there's good Point on the map that you can say hey, I'm in the right spot.
Or is this purely?
I mean so generally it's either 100,000 map or 50,000 map Everyone's not.
You'll get a 200,000, which is a very zoomed out view to kind of see if you're traveling a far away, but Usually you're working on like 100,000.
Map with the same rulers.
And she will.
She is known for deleting.
She'll delete any city name, she'll delete any freeway, she'll delete anything that you could possibly know where you are, if you've maybe been there before or just in general.
So she doesn't care for you to do Know where you are by visual.
She wants you to do triangulation with your compass.
She wants she always says heading in distance.
Don't lie, so you need to know that there's.
You know there might be a mountain over there and where are you from that mountain?
So she likes to make it a game is it all female competitors?
Yes, yes.
Interesting.
Well, because the guys won't ask for direct yeah we started at seven o'clock, we'd be lost by 715.
That's our drunk drunk what the other, and so alright, and you didn't you did.
The only help that you had was each other.
Yes, and then any other team if perhaps you need help.
Everyone is very we're all very competitive, but we all understand we're all out there, so if someone's panicked and lost, you will help them.
So we are good.
But yeah, basically it's the two of us in a car for 80 hours Trying to figure it out and what are you driving this year?
So this year we drove we partner with Honda and so we drove a 2024 pilot trail sport.
So it is a three row seven to eight passenger SUV crossover.
And you have to pack everything you're going to need for that 80 hour trip in the in the truck.
Exactly yes, so this was a bone stock crossover.
So we were 1 of 3 Honda teams that were of Honda of America and so we're the only bone stock vehicle.
So all 3 were trail sports.
So there were there were 2 pilots 1 was modified With Hillary and Liz, and then there was a passport trail sport and that was with Serena and Serena and, oh gosh, I still Nicole.
Yes, thank you, I still rally break, as we literally just got back a little over a week ago and I just got back from Seema.
So I, yeah, the Seema show.
So I'm like totally still lacking sleep, but yes, and then we're in the only bone stock one.
What we did is we, we deleted, we took out the second and third row seats, so we had tons of room and all those anchor points where the seats were we had put in D rings so we were able to use those as hard mount points for ratchet, for ratchet straps.
Now you say we did I mean?
are you literally like you and Andy, or you and Emily, or on there?
was a shop.
There was a shop down in California that did so.
We work with them, with Honda, and then they translated that information to what we wanted to have done down to that shop, and so they prepped it.
Okay, and you're taking this trip quite all of it off the highway with with factory stock production tires.
So so that's a great question.
So basically, there are I believe they're continental all train tires that come stock off the show and floor With Honda.
But what we did, since this is such an extreme off road rally that typically last eight days seven days of actual points, counted competition, and can last anywhere from 14 to 1500 miles you think about that?
That's a long distance we partnered with Max's tires and so we all ran, all three teams ran Max's razor, all trains they're thicker, their heavier duty, and none of us had any tire flats, no tire punctures.
I mean I don't know what happened with this year's track as far as the course throughout the desert.
I mean, there were dozens of tire failures.
There were multiple teams that had dual tire flats at one time.
It was a tire shredding year.
I've never seen it.
And Emily's now completed five rebels, I've completed four.
We've seen nothing of it.
But you know those Max's razors, they did great.
We've had zero issues.
So let me ask you this you're on the vehicle and there's a vehicle failure.
Now you can't have any extracurricular communication because you're on your own.
How do you communicate a vehicle failure to folks around you or to come and someone's help?
How does that work?
So there's a couple of different things that you can do If you have a vehicle failure.
Basically you have to self-sustain so you can bring along your own tools, your own recovery gear, your own whatever it is, to fix your own vehicle parts, things like that.
If you cannot fix your own vehicle, you do have a satellite phone that you can report back to Basecam and say, hey, I need mechanics help, I need a towback, things like that.
There will be penalties if you do need.
If you break an axle, which has happened before, if you break a control arm, if you have some type of catastrophic failure, you need a tow-in or flatbed, which has happened again, things like that.
There was one day and I think the tail end of day three, beginning of day four, again have no idea what was on the course or what people were doing.
Again, we always practice mechanical sympathy.
There were 65 total teams.
Over 20 teams ended up in the mechanics that night.
Oh, wow.
Over 20 teams of 65 teams again Thankfully with the trail, sport did a fantastic job, had zero issues mechanically, that kind of thing, but over 20 teams had to visit mechanics.
So sometimes you're not penalized if you can do it on your own or if you bring it back on your own and have to visit mechanics and use their tools, but if you fix it yourself you might not get penalized.
Sometimes you do.
So no worn winches on your Honda.
Not this time.
We ran bones talk.
That's another great point.
Not this time, but it was bone stock.
So basically what we did is we just had recovery boards up on top of a roof basket and changed the tires out, but she ran bone stock off the showroom floor.
And then, how many spare tires do you travel with?
So there is one factory supplied bone stock or just one factory supplied tire.
That's underneath, where underneath the rear bumper, that's kissed kind of underneath.
And we ran with the second full size spare, which you'll see in some of the upcoming articles that I will be writing.
I'm an automotive journalist, I will get back into that in just a quick second.
But we ratcheted that down in the interior and we also had an air compressor from ARB that I brought on board, a portable one, and then a full size ARB tire patch kit, cause we figured, of course we brought all of that on board, we won't need it.
So hence, every time we bring two full size spares, tire patch kit, you'll never need it.
We never have the goodness.
So Always great.
There you go.
Rather be prepared than waiting, be without yeah.
Always be prepared.
So how'd you guys finish?
So I think we finished.
Great, emily, she pushed herself navigationally.
Emily, why don't you talk about the wide-miss penalties?
Yeah, so, like I said, there's three different kinds of points the black ones you can't see, so you really have to know exactly where you are and navigate there well, and then, if you're, you give you kind of a range of how close you can be and still get points.
And then once you're out of that usually like 200 meter range you start getting negative points.
So historically it's scary to try those because you've tried so hard to get your other points that you don't want to accidentally give them up.
But I thought this year I would push myself a little so I did quite a few of the blacks that I normally wouldn't do and didn't get any penalties this year.
So I feel like for now.
I'm sure that was my win.
So Rebell Rally actually has a GPS tracker on your vehicle so they can see where you're at as you're trying to get to all of these waypoints.
They do.
And then you have a little handheld one that you push when you think I'm there.
So you make that choice and hit that button and if you're wrong, top lock.
So, yeah, I felt very good about the navigating part of the whole thing.
Very good.
And as far as the driving aspect of it, emily and I came out swinging strong early on in the first part of the competition.
There were 10 total crossover teams, and at our highest point we were fifth right behind all the professional racers and the stunt driver, which is fantastic for us, seeing as we were only one of two bone stock crossovers, and the only other bone stock crossover was a Ford Bronco, which in is the class of itself, so we were really excited about that.
This year, there was so much storm damage down near the whole entire area where we were, though, and so it was very, very difficult for all crossovers, especially for a bone stock crossover, and so I think that kind of ate up a bit of time slowed us down a bit, because, even though the kind of ground clearance has got a lot of different off-road tune, suspension and different off-road features, great camera system, a lot of other off-road features that make it off-road capable
and how many times can I say off-road in one sentence, but make it very capable for the average consumer it was something that was difficult for us to slow us down, just based on the nature of all the V-notches, the washouts, the making, the time to get to where you need to be.
So that slowed us down a little bit, and some of the other navigational where are we and how can we get to here and there and everything within a certain time.
So we ended up slipping from fifth to eighth for a final overall, but I'm really happy with where we are considering.
We are bone stock class.
We finished strong, zero mechanical issues, zero tire punctures, zero flats, zero business mechanics.
And for me as a driver, one of my main goals was high speed driving, getting more comfortable and doing left foot braking, and doing that not necessarily just in obstacles and just on rocky patches, but doing it consistently.
What kind of motor did the car have in it?
Yeah, great question.
So it's a 285 horsepower and it's a V6 10 speed automatic, so it's a 3.5
liter and it was.
I talked to the engineers with it and with regarding left foot braking.
They really tuned it and worked with that whole setup to make it a lot easier with left foot braking and a lot more, to get the modulation easier and to be more intuitive.
And once you got it, you just nailed it and it became so much fun to drive.
It was just great.
I didn't want to hand it back.
Did you get a big trophy?
We finished and we got a lot of dirt in our car.
That's the trophy.
And what are they doing with the car?
Are they gonna put it on Don's used car lot now?
Yeah.
I know.
I've heard that the car will live on.
I've heard that there there is a Honda museum, I don't know.
It said it's gonna be living on I don't know what capacity, but I yeah.
I'm not sure it in Seema though.
No, no, it's not at Seema right now.
It's at the fleet company in near Seattle area waiting to be shipped.
So it's in transit, so it'll pop up, I'm sure, maybe media events, maybe I'm museum or a pepsi I don't know, maybe it'll be next year, seema, who knows?
Well, it's great to talk to you ladies.
Congratulation on a job well done and Mercedes, you and your husband.
We need to talk to you too about obviously you've got the rebel rally now behind you and see what you guys are up to fix to do the Alaska run again, aren't you next year?
We are yeah, yeah we're gonna be doing the 2024 Alcan 5000 rally.
This year is the winter edition, that'll be coming up in less than five months.
Gentlemen, exciting announcement.
We cannot see it yet, but we are just chopping at the bit to say it who we're gonna partner with as far as the manufacturer, and hopefully in the next few weeks We'll be able to announce it'll be fantastic.
We should use a convertible on that one.
Yeah, I'm right, exactly for the Arctic winter.
Yet Mercedes Emily.
Thank you both so much for joining us today.
We'll talk to you soon again.
Congratulations on a job Well done.
Thank you.
Thank you I haven't found the show you bet.
Thank you All right time now on the in-will time car talk show for this week in Auto history.
And Conrad has that for us, don't you?
Yep, yep.
Okay, well, I just needed a little verbal.
No, no, he was waiting on me in 1927.
This week, ford model a production began, the model a Marcus significant departure From its predecessor, the Model T.
But its development was not without its share of challenges, including Henry Ford's initial reluctance to embrace change.
In.
In 1935, this week, the coffin knows knows Cord debuted.
The cord 810 was introduced by cord automobile division of Auburn and the at the New York Auto Show in 1935.
The luxurious vehicle was first mass produced, was the first mass produced American front-wheel drive car with independent front suspension.
The 810 and later the 812 were the first production cars with hidden headlights.
Gordon Bering originally designed the cord 810 as a Deuzenberg but it ultimately ended up getting a cord badge.
Cord produced only 1174, 810 units in.
In 1955 stu de Baker released the Hawk line and it released the Hawk Line in 55 as a 1956 model year vehicle as a family sports car.
The line included from the top the Golden Hawk, the Sky Hawk, the Power Hawk and the Flight Hawk, the lowest price model.
The Hawk cars were succeeded the Studebaker Speedster, which were all two-door four-seat hardtop cars.
And those cars and I don't know why, I imagine probably some because their aerodynamics are huge in the Bonneville.
In 1957, chevrolet Impala was announced as a 1958 model car production, beautiful car, and originally it only was out as a coupe and a convertible.
While the Impala and Bel Air are very similar from the A-pillar Foward, the two cars had structural differences.
From the A-pillar bag, for example, the Impala had a shorter cabin and a longer rear deck lid, and that differentiation between Impala and Bel Air lasted all the way through the late 60s.
In 1957, also, toyota established its American headquarters and began the invasion of the American car market.
In 1983, the first Chrysler minivans left the assembly line.
Lee Iacocca and his Mustang Sidekick, hal Spurlock, found themselves kicked to the curb by Ford and the two spearheaded the new concept car known as Carousel.
When Henry Ford let them go because they often butted heads, the design was radical and unlike anything else on the road.
Iacocca and Spurlock both ended up fired from Ford and hired by Struggling Chrysler Corporation.
With Iacocca as the president.
They released the Chrysler and Dodge minivans, which was huge successes.
That kind of started an industry trend.
Yes, back to you, don.
All right, thank you very much.
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back here on the In-Wheel Time Car Talk Show.
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Call the man for new vehicles, cooling Along with the temperatures outside in the wake of high interest rates and elevated prices.
Even as inventories and incentives rebound, us light vehicle sales edged up 1.8%
to 1.2
million in October, according to global data.
Seasonally adjusted annual rate of sales slowed to 15.66
million vehicles, down from 15.73
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million set in June.
Through an unprecedented increase.
During the pandemic, 0% financing deals have all but disappeared from the market.
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No surprise.
Has that build back better working?
Yeah, not too well, don't you think?
No, I would say Not at you know, 10% interest rates on cars.
And we didn't have a chance to do himmings.
I know I'm disappointed.
Well, I can do a couple.
1956 Cadillac El Dorado, beirut's convertible.
I think we talked about this 50,000.
I'm talking 18.
Talking 17.
136,500 dollars.
I didn't go over.
I didn't go over.
There's one 66 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, big blocks, small box 90 grand.
It doesn't say but I can't really see, I'm gonna say 58.
It's done.
It looks like it may be a big block.
I'm sure 90,000 and 800 and it's gotta be a big block.
I got that one.
Gotta be, and a couple more.
A 2004 Chevrolet SSR, one of the most disappointing vehicles known to man.
8 grand no, the things are like 12, 14,000.
I'll say 11.
20,000.
475.
Take them to dinner.
A 63 Chevy Impala.
Our last one, 7,900 dollars.
I would get that one.
Okay, that's the one out.
That'd be the bargain, okay.
We have them at $HELP report found
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