The MuscleCar Place Nov 21, 2025

TMCP #628: SEMA 2025 Show Spectacular #2 – Mike and Jim The Ring Brothers, – Jim Dvorak with Mothers Car Care, Jason Engel and Jared Morris Trick Rides Fully Custom 1969 Mustang, Rick Love with Vintage Air

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The Muscle Kart Place, online podcast, episode number 628.

This week, our second of four, that's right, four feature shows right from the SEMA 2025

show floor.

We have the world-famous Ring Brothers, along with their designer, Gary Regal, Jim Dvorak

of Mother's Car Care Products, Jason and Jared from Trick Rides with all their carbon

fiber Mustang stuff, and Rick Love from Vintage Air.

This is a star-studded show, and the Ring Brothers in particular are automotive-builder

royalty, and I think this marks their 20th year doing it.

And while their 71 Aston Martin was the talk of the town at this year's SEMA show, it wasn't

always this way for those guys.

20 years ago, it was more something like this.

Well, the first car we brought here, we were out between this building and the hotel

by the dumpster, and pretty sure nobody knew which one was the dumpster.

This is the Muscle Car Place online podcast, brought to you by National Parts Depot.

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If you're buying, selling, restoring, even racing them, this is the place for you.

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Yes indeed, I am Rob Kibbe, and welcome to the Muscle Car Place podcast.

Well, here we are, show number two from SEMA 2025, as we approach McCacken Weekend in Chicago

and Thanksgiving here in the states I've learned next week.

It's called American Thanksgiving.

I was just talking to somebody from Canada yesterday, who I like, and they said, it's

not Thanksgiving here, you know, and I said, I forgot.

So Thanksgiving here in the states next week.

Now, look, this is a public service show.

I know it.

You know it.

To get you through those happy family holidays next week, we're going to have two more shows

from the SEMA 2025 spectacular here for you.

Maybe you share them with your family at the Thanksgiving table, or maybe you escape

the family instead of smoking and drinking, you can just go for a walk and burn things

off, you know, with us, whatever we can do to help.

We're here to help.

It's up to you, man, but two full shows from SEMA next week.

Also next week on the Give Me a Friend show will be our annual review of Plain Streets

and Automobiles.

It's a crowd fan favorite.

It's one of my all-time favorite movies.

It's one of those movies that just does not get worse with multiple viewings.

It seems to get better, which is a rare, rare thing.

But I'll tell you, there's one clip that makes our producer laugh more than any

others this time of year.

And it's from WKRP.

The copter seems to be circling the parking area now.

I guess it's looking for a place to land.

No, something just came out of the back of the helicopter.

It's a dark object, perhaps a skydiver, plumbing to the earth from only 2,000 feet in the air.

That's the third.

There's no parachutes yet.

It can't be skydivers.

I can't suggest yet what they are, but oh my God, they're turkey!

Johnny, can you get this?

Oh, they're crashing to the earth right in front of my eyes!

Oh, I just went to the windshield of a parked car!

They did this terrible.

Everybody's running around, pushing each other.

Oh my goodness!

Oh, the humanity!

Thanks for that on-the-spot report, class.

Thank you.

Just tuned in.

The Pinedale Shopping Mall has just been bombed with locked turkey.

Film at 11.

There you go, Byrne.

That was for you.

That was an episode turkey drop.

I think that was the most viewed WKRP episode ever, something like that.

With all of that said, we have a lot of interview stuff to get to,

so there will be no more stuffing here.

No more filler.

Just meat.

We'll get to it.

Up first is going to be the Ring Brothers.

This is Mike and Jim Ring, of course.

For the first time ever with a designer, his name is Gary Riggle.

They brought, well, there's 71 Aston Martin.

That car is called Shaken.

This is the full story of it.

This thing is hard to describe.

In the interview, while it is in depth, it doesn't do it justice either.

This is a groundbreaking car in our industry.

It will become the new mark that other builders try to achieve,

especially if they're going for some new coach-built style car.

It's not a hot rod.

It looks like something that, frankly, Aston Martin would have built themselves.

It looks in functions like an OEM car.

They had it driven by Ben Collins, the Stig himself.

You remember the original Stig from Top Gear.

The Ring Brothers has won so many battles in builders' competitions,

they don't participate anymore.

Nobody told them not to.

I think they just choose not to do it anymore.

They did win the best on RS, though, at the Roadster Shop Party this year,

and that car is on a Roadster Shop chassis.

So that's interview number one.

It's one we look forward to and schedule purposely every year.

Then we're going to have Jim Dvorak on from Mothers.

Mothers' car care products.

Neat guy.

Never met him before, which is hard to believe

because he's been in this industry

since the beginning.

He's awesome.

He just gives some nice practical lessons on proper detailing

for a professional result as a DIYer.

You can find Mothers' products at your auto parts store.

They're everywhere.

They're great.

They're great for people who are new to car care

and they're great for pros as well.

And again, this is more from the angle of a DIYer,

but Mothers' products are some of the best in the business for sure.

I've got plenty on my shelf out in the garage.

In fact, I just picked up some more for some fall detailing.

Then we have Jason Engel and Jared Morrison from Trick Rides.

Now, one year ago at SEMA 2024,

I met them and they had no car at all,

but they shared their vision of being at this year's SEMA show

with an all-new, fully wide body,

fully carbon fiber, fully CAD-designed 69 Mustang.

And that's exactly what they brought.

And what I didn't know at the time but learned here

during this interview is the skeleton of that car

is a real 69 Mustang.

I thought the whole thing would be brand new,

but they used a real original 69 Mustang

and re-skinned it with a carbon fiber body of their design

with wide flares, wide everything.

It's got a road to job chassis on it.

And the price that is very competitive,

he said the Ring Brothers came in high-fived them

and then told them to charge more.

So there's that.

And then we're going to end with Rick Love for Vin and Jared.

Now, Rick is a staple on this show

and a staple in our industry, frankly.

Vin and Jared has a lot of new product out and available.

The thing that I saw from them this year

is how they have lit control panels

that you can cycle through lights with their LED lit backlit.

And you can choose the same color schema

as decoded digital gauges.

Isn't that nice?

So you can make all the stuff match.

They have some more foreign car offerings.

The big thing here is their builder series.

So Vin and Jared is known for their Sure-Fit kits.

They have 185 Sure-Fit kits.

So that's 185 versions of that kit

for 185 different model cars.

But if that doesn't solve your needs,

you can always use their builder series.

So for a hot rod, if you're making something custom,

and that's all Gen 5, 2,

Bernie and I were sitting there playing with them

while we were waiting for the interview to start.

It moves a lot of air.

And it does so with such beautiful variable control.

It's awesome.

So those are the four interviews you've got.

Next week, again, we're going to have two shows for you.

And I don't know when we'll drop them.

I don't know if they'll be Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday.

I'm not really sure yet,

but there will be two that come out next week.

So we'll have Heights, Center Force, and Blueprint Engines in them.

And then the following show, the final show,

we'll have McGuire's, Holly, Hemmings, and Diamondback.

And that's Tire. So it's going to be very, very fun.

With all of that said, let's get to it.

Don't forget, once per month,

we do have Mr. Rick Schmidt from NPD on to talk.

All things National Parts Depot.

And you can send him your questions, of course,

for January 2026.

We have already recorded

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Rick will be at McCacken 2025,

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If you hear this today, it comes out.

He's there right now. Try to find him.

He's there somewhere.

He's leaving Saturday, the 22nd, pretty sure.

He'll probably be on the ground

in some like 36 hours.

So try your best to find him.

Okay, up next are our four feature interviews

with Ring Brothers,

Jim DeVork with Mothers,

Jason and Jared with Trick Rides,

and the grand poo bobsima himself,

Ricola with Vinegar. Enjoy.

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Here we are

with the Ring Brothers and Gary.

Somewhat of a tradition,

we get a feature interview with

Mike and Jim every year,

and Gary, I've never met you before,

but I'm looking forward to the reason you're here.

Are you the designer or a designer?

I'm not sure. Which is it?

I'm the designer on this particular car, yes.

Well, for those that are listening,

we're in the Gen-Tex booth.

They are an OEM supplier

of all sorts of cool stuff,

but I'm going to focus on probably the rearview mirrors

with the cameras in them and stuff like that.

So it's a product you probably have

that you don't even know it, but you do.

And for some reason, they dig

dudes from Wisconsin that make cool cars.

So, we are here for the second year.

So, Mike, why are you still doing this?

Every year you say, oh, this is so much work.

I hate it so much. I can't do it.

I think that's Jim.

I've told Jim a long time

that it's probably where you'll find me

on the floor. I just love it.

Yeah.

You know, working with Gary,

it's even more fun.

As long as we can find the customer

to build stuff like that, Aston,

and the Mustang, I'll keep doing it.

Jim, you've told the story.

What was the name of the Quickie Oil Change place?

Speedy Peas.

Speedy Peas. There we go.

I might re-open that,

although nowadays it will be

slowy peed,

or maybe no pee.

Well, the world-famous Ring Brothers,

world-famous have a collision repair shop.

And you've always said,

we've fixed wrecked cars,

and we've built hot rods on the side.

But I think that's a very humble statement

from some humble people.

You're the world-renowned Ring Brothers,

and you brought more world-renowned products this year.

So for the first time ever,

we have a non-ring to talk to.

Gary, what do you do here for the Ring Brothers?

My name's Gary Regal,

and I'm fortunate enough to do

the vehicle design styling

for Ring Brothers cars.

I do a little bit of CAD modeling,

if necessary, to help make the parts.

So it's an absolute pleasure

to work for these guys.

They allow me to do the types of projects

that are in my brain,

which is a crazy dark place sometimes,

but it's a lot of fun

and a privilege to work with them on these cars.

What's your background?

I'm a vehicle designer.

I went to college for industrial design,

and I worked in the OE side of the industry.

So I worked for Mitsubishi Motors

and vehicles.

I worked at Ford for about a year in Detroit.

Always dabbled with hot rods

and resto mods and things like that

on the side doing design work for different shops,

and it took a life of its own,

and I got tired of the corporate thing

and just took the plunge and started doing this

full time.

Probably 12 years ago or so,

introduced myself to Mike and Jim

at the Columbus Good Guys show

and started with a few little projects,

and here we are.

Are you the first outside designer

for the company?

Well, you've worked with Sean

and some other guys, I believe.

We used to work with Sean Smith

for a while and he

I think it just was perfect timing.

Sean went to work for Steve Selene,

I think, and

Gary was at our booth and

his dad actually introduced us.

Jim came up to me

and wanted to introduce his son,

this guy that had his little

book of all his money had done.

So it was a good marriage.

So, what's the story on this?

Is 71 Aston Martin here?

Whose car was a customer car?

The customer request that you build this car?

I've told this story a few times,

but he came in and

he actually owns a bunch of other cars

that we built. He came in and said

I just want to build a car, and I asked him

what do you want to build, and he said

what do you guys want to build?

I said anything besides another Camaro

and he says how about an Aston Martin?

I said perfect, so

he went out, it wasn't a couple days later

he had one sitting at the shop, 71

and that's kind of how it come about.

Do you guys have any knowledge

or experience with Aston Martin's part of this?

God, no. I mean the owner does

he's got several brand new ones.

We had no idea

I don't think Gary might have

No, that was what was so fun about

the project is that it was

something we knew nothing about

and we instantly knew

what we wanted to do to it.

You know what I mean? It was like great canvas

but need some

Beyonce

How many years is this car

I was working on it for about

two and a half on the design side

and I believe it's about a year and a half

in your guys' shop if I'm not mistaken

so I had a little bit of a head start

but they caught up quickly.

Yeah, it was two and a half years probably

total from clean

to paper. I think all of our first

time to see it in person is here.

Did it come out in April or May?

August at the Quail.

Can you walk me through this car?

I mean is it grafted together

with a new Aston Martin? I mean it looks like

a brand new car with chrome bumpers.

That's a 100%

scratch built car. Obviously

we started with a

71 and this

is what it became but

actually at in Monterey we had

part of the original car there that we had

built a bar out of behind this car

to serve martinis

to people, kind of the James Bond

thing obviously. You can really

if you see that picture you can

with one and by the other you can really see

what it started out as

and what it became but

So it started as a scan

and then? Yeah, did a 3D scan

and built the entire car

and CAD inside and out

and we all agreed that the silhouette of the car

was beautiful. It's an iconic vehicle

but it just lacked a little

bit of the drama or the sex appeal

that was appropriate for an Aston Martin.

Earlier vehicles in the 50's

and 60's had some gorgeous hips

and shapes on them and then the later ones

on them today have some really nice

shapes on them and a lot of drama

but that particular car, that era

was a little slab sided, a little stiff

looking but the silhouette was beautiful

like I said so we

flared the rear quarters 5 inches per

side, widened the front

4 per side

the car is 82 inches wide

it just barely fits in the trailer

I realized that

the mistake I made with that when I was

helping them put it in and out of the trailer

at the quail was like oh boy

So if you see a trailer going down the road

that's got hips on it, that's why

two beggies

Once we did that

and kind of gave that drama

back in the body side of the car

everything really fell together nicely

the wheel base is extended 3 inches

but the overall length is the same as the original car

So you altered the wheel base

but kept the length the same

so push the front axle forward

the rear in the same spot

What kind of a customer gives a blank

canvas and I assume a blank check

No it really wasn't a blank check

although we did have to correct our number

after about 6 months

That was a tough call to make

actually it was more

guilt of where we thought

we could do it truthfully thinking

where we could be and then what it actually

took because the car

definitely morphed

If you took one of those skins off

an early Aston Martin you'd be like

we need to do stuff a little

We planned on using more of the car

but it just did not

lend itself to it at the time

Why is that?

It's the way the bodies are assembled

We assumed going in that it would be similar

to Camaro or Mustang

with a significant steel

and we could just re-skin it

Those cars were hand-built aluminum

originally and the way

they were hem and riveted together

when they took the skins off

there was virtually no car left

What was there had to be modified anyway

So at this point

the only steel left in the car

is the floor and the firewall

and there's a little bit of a roll cage

structure running up the pillars to

provide the carbon roof into

Other than that it's all carbon fiber

inside and out

The whole body?

My goodness

Is it an Aston Martin drivetrain?

Nope, we reached out to them in the beginning

showed them renderings

asked them and if you know anything about Aston

they've kind of been

they said they didn't have the bandwidth

but if you look at their financials

they've kind of think last year

they lost 350 million

didn't have the money to put

towards something like that to help us

not that we were looking, it was more of

not only it's scary for

guys like us to

put a type of motor drivetrain

in something we know nothing about

and expect to get it to run

with the wiring today and the computers

they're very sensitive to what the original

engine drivetrain was designed for

tire size, weight, all that

so we've got friends in the industry

that struggled with some

MG stuff and we don't want that

Well it ended up with a Coyote

because obviously

Ford did own Aston Martin at one point

it wasn't totally putting

LS in a Mustang but

And the Coyote

visually looks a lot like

the original V8 that was in the car

that particular car is the first V8

that Aston Martin built so we knew

we had to stick with the V8 it's a big part

of the story of that car

and others builds their cars to drive

that Coyote motor with

a hair up supercharger makes as much power

as you want it's reliable for the customer

that can stand by it so

Aston Martin's suspension stuff or is it

a totally different chassis? It's a

roaster shop chassis that was made

for that car because it's a

transactional car now

independent you know just kept

morphing and that's why

the calls to the owner of

this little more like

the glass it's the same

windshield it's the same

back glass same profile

of side glass the car

is originally a vent window so we got rid

of that meaning the profile

the glass is the same the windshield is the same

a little bit corners rounded off

but the back glass got big notch out

of the bottom so we spent

about seven thousand dollars with the original

glass trying to cut it after

all that the only thing we

could cut with the water jet was

the windshield we kept trying

the back glass originally we

water jet and it worked

but then it cracked sitting

but all the new glass we got none of it

would work it just wouldn't and we talked to

an engineer finally and said

you got lucky and he said you probably

could do the original one but it wouldn't last

and he was absolutely right there's

so much tension built in even relieving

that big notch but

my point was the original glass

quote for those four pieces of glass

was ninety two thousand dollars good lord

yeah so it's like that

ain't happening you know a lot

of people would have went plastic or whatever

and we're like we are not putting

plastic windows in this car

we swam in that pond before we're not going

back there plastic

windows yeah what goes wrong

eventually everything all of it

no we shouldn't

technology's changed there too it's just

not what a car should have

who do you go to have glass made

a place in Pennsylvania

I think they're called like bent glass or

I don't know somebody that they call me

and I can give you the exact name but

we went to Europe at first

we went to people

that do glass for like the OE

concept car builders

and whatnot it's expensive

but you know it was

nice in that everything was in CAD

Gary could give them

good CAD we didn't have to build the buck

they actually built it so it's

still very costly but not

near $92,000

does the interior go together all like

modern assembly type stuff

because it's a CAD design material

yeah CAD gives you a

significant amount of planning that's the real

advantage so yeah all the

flanges and fasteners and everything are all

baked in any part that was

wrapped on the interior once we built

the surface in CAD we offset

that part the thickness of the leather

to accommodate to accommodate that

and then even added a little groove where a

seam could be tucked in

so it's just the amount of planning and control

that you have also just enabling

you know the visualization of it

the owner could see what the car was going to look like

Mike and Jim knew what the parts

were going to be once they arrived at their shop

it's a challenge for these guys that

I'm sympathetic to the car is complete on my

computer yet they're sitting

in their shop in Wisconsin with a chassis

and waiting on one part at a time

basically to arrive from the composite

manufacturer but in general

you know it went together

I'm not going to say like a model kit but

it was a pretty easy process

it's a lot of scanning even

you know while you're building it because

you know we can't build interior till we have all the

wiring Jim's got everything set all the

wires where it's got to be all the air conditioning

all everything all the column

everything has to be set and then

we scan again and then Gary gets that

so interference from all that he's

got a design around that

we had the owner sit in the car

and got the proper seat location

pedal location for him and

they were able to provide that scan to me

for the interior design

just looking inside of it it looks like a modern ergonomic

car looks like your arm should go

where your arm should go and you know

your head's going to look where your head should look

and you don't have to adjust for the car

for the most part I mean we've got a lot of comments

that the car looks like an OEM

built for a concept car

I struggle with you know what even to call

this thing it's certainly not a hot rod

it's not a Rust-O-Mod it's really more of a

coach built vehicle

is Roaster shop the right chassis

just for a drivability perspective

well Ben Collins drove

the car pretty hard on Friday

up at Paramp and

he said the car he actually got out and said it was

too flat he was pretty

impressed with how that car

drives and handles is this the best car

you've ever done I don't know

maybe the next one will be

yeah you know you always

are in the moment

you kind of forget the past but

what was your first year here

with the car 20 years ago

20 years ago and I assume that the build process

today is enormously different

than it was well the first car we

brought here we were out

between this building and the

hotel by the dumpster

and pretty sure nobody knew which one

was the dumpster

was that a Mustang

it was a Mustang

have you brought more Mustangs to this show

than any other car probably

probably what's the second

most getting to be Chargers

maybe at this point Charger

my personal favorite is

68 to 70 coke bottle Charger

we've got another one coming

and I think it's going to rock them

there's one on the drawing board right now

do you enjoy the non-traditional

stuff even more is it just fun to have a unique chance

so like an Aston Martin it's the most

unique car I've seen you guys making a long time

because it looks like if somebody said

Aston Martin brought this car I would believe it

it looks like their car

we appreciate that because that's

like Gary said there might

be a lot of haters because what you took

Aston Martin and did that to it but

they're going to at least say it's pretty

most people think it's a Mustang

I mean everybody that every post time

is that a Mustang or a Datsun 280Z

or what is that thing

the internet haters but I think once

you stand next to it and get a sense

of the proportion and the width of it

no one's going to mistake that car

for a Mustang when you're standing next to it

if you could make everybody happy

with one car there wouldn't be all these

different manufacturers out there

what do you think has changed the most

in building cars over the last 20 years

is it scanning things technology

everything I mean everything

do people expect

not like an honest answer how many

manufacturers go drive their cars

regular enough a lot of them

I don't know anybody

that's really taking our car

as a trailer queen

we would never build a Riddler car

that's never if somebody came to us

and wanted us to build a Riddler car

it'd be a hard no

we have no

I mean the money spent on the bottom of a Riddler car

is I wish people would give me

to build a car

do you get a lot of

up and coming builders who want to

go to you guys for inspiration and lessons

does that happen still

I don't know obviously you help everybody

you can in this world and

if they need help I'm sure we'd help them

I'm surprised you said that because

that's why I was late I had a builder

that wanted to interview me thanking me

and actually he said

Jim talked to him

about three or four years ago for 35 minutes

and it meant so much to him

and he said he was outside he didn't forget it

when he wanted to interview me and he just wanted to tell

the world that these guys

inspired me to do what I did

and you know and he was so thankful that

Jim gave him couldn't believe 35 minutes

of his time and I'm like

well we are not

rocket scientists and you know we really

enjoy that part of this show

and at the end of the day when we're

screwed in the ground we really

would rather be known as just

good people than a car builder

that's what life's about

we're just lucky enough to use this medium

to meet people and

we weren't very liked when we went to school

we went grade school and stuff you know spelling bees

and all that stuff

they wanted to throw our asses out of there

took sixth grade twice

I don't know why

it was fun

here's a story

in school they had a thing called a day

so everybody that got an a got to get

on this bus and go to this water park

which was probably 45 minutes to an hour

in a way

so when Mike and I were in school

they come up with a thing called d-day

and they take you half way there

and make you walk home

I got one more

who were your builders that you aspired to be

when you were doing this 20 years ago

I don't think we ever aspired

to be anybody's builder

I think we just wanted you know

I don't know if it was inspired

a word I would use but

I'm impressed and still today

is Troy at Red Rides

because Moose who works for Troy

who everybody can relate

he grew up same class as me

and I've known Moose

long before he went to work for Troy

and I think that and then him

exposing me to what they did

was like mind blowing

but I thought what Troy did was like

when we went to a show way back

when Troy did the predator

you and I had a Mustang at World of Wheels

and at the time and I went over

and looked at that I just could not fathom

could not fathom

what he had done

to think of all of the years we've been doing

that's coming from a town of 600 people

and to have

the president of formula 1's

phone number and to be able

to call Jay Leno

all of the people that we've met

through a car is just mind boggling

to me and honestly

became friends with all of these people

I think that's the special part of this car

is these people

car people are usually pretty cool

and we've met a lot of them

who's been the most surprising

like the chillest or the coolest

or even better who's been the worst

I could say that but I'm not saying it on here

I don't know

we really can't say who's been

they're all car people

it's like golf you go golfing

and it doesn't matter who you're playing with

it's just that time together

that is pretty special

and you get to meet

you could play golf and go out as a single

and hook up with people and just wouldn't matter

if he was the CEO of Ford

the guy is your plumber

and that's how this industry is

you don't know who you're talking to

and that's what's cool and at the end of the you figure out

and then it's like you know what

he didn't judge me for that

or he didn't wow me or act like

oh my god this is so and so

it's just people talking and I think

what this industry does is make you treat everybody

how you want to be treated

and nobody cares what you do

obviously we want

owners that got a little money to build the car

but on the most part you don't know

who you're standing next to

the quail was a huge example of that

billionaires that you look at

and you wouldn't think they had two nickels

and they're multi-billionaire later

you find out or the

crown prince of Bahrain

in the prime minister we're talking to him like

you and me right here and we have no idea

until he's gone

hopefully you leave a good impression with people

when you're just who you are

well fellas I'm going to guess

that the quality of your product and your personalities

is why you're so successful

because you're just two normal dudes

from Wisconsin that just

happen to make the world's greatest cars

at SEMA so

hopefully you've been interviewing us for a lot of years now

you don't see

any different person than you met

how many years we've been doing this

not at all back to the golf thing

I don't do that by the way

he does but I asked a guy

how I can shoot in the 80s he said play seven holes

Gary good to meet you nice to meet you

thanks for somebody being in charge here clearly it's you

yeah

ringbrothers.com

ringbrows.com

ringbrothers

there's a ringbrows out in the east coast

it was a really cool story real quick

my son

gets these calls once in a while he runs the machining

part and they keep saying well can you send me

to the meat department

well here there's this grocery store

up in a big one up in

Massachusetts and they're called

ringbrows so they get calls

all the time for hinges and stuff

and you know and we get calls

for the frozen food department

and they exchanged

last week exchanged

clothing items and it's been

really a wonderful thing just out of the blue

we got ringbrows and they got

ringbrothers

maybe they'll have them build you a

grocery shop or something

that would be awesome

I would like to take one second

to thank GenTex too we've got this

real nice table and snacks sitting here

and the technology that's in this car

it's important for people to understand

the visors are

a self dimming technology this is the

first vehicle that's ever been

shown in as soon as

the light hits the visors their glass

you can see through them they're transparent

when the light hits it it's like your

transitions eyeglasses or a

photochromic process where it darkens

but you can still see through it

the rear view mirror is

piped to a rear camera

it has some really cool tech in there

and I believe you guys are working on a mirror

that you will be selling

through ringbrothers the only

an exclusive self dimming

rear view mirror that

can only be sold through ringbrothers

so we're really really excited

even the rear view mirror

if the light hits that and it's bright

it actually does the same

to the side mirrors so it's really

neat stuff they're all tied together

what else do you sell on the website

I think it hinges

door handle

wheels and other things but

I mean for them I know we manufacture

to sell a product that's

just through us it's pretty

freaking amazing yes it is

here's another car builder that just walked in the door

this is zip simons from street metal

zip we're

rounding out the interview

ringbrothers.com

Viva

here's a new one

Jim Dvorak here at the mother's booth

Jim we've never met before

have we? Never

well are you in for a treat

this is the fun loving muscle car plays

podcast with people old

and new happy and sad

with cars across the spectrum

that need cleaning and polishing

what a day it's a wonderful day to be here

thank you for coming Robert this is fun

so mothers as a brand a lot of people know

everybody probably has used

in some fashion or form so

what do you do at mothers I'm a product

specialist I cover public relations

tech support and customer service

so if people have any questions or

problems they're trying to fix on their car

I help them out do you have

a chemistry background or how do you

end up in this line of work I'm a car guy

born a car guy in southern California

was just really

excited about the things that mothers was producing

and anything that makes

a car shine is something up my alley

I appreciate the beautiful builds like

we have here in our booth

and just excited to be

part of car care how old is mothers

we're celebrating

about 55 years how long you've been

at mothers about 20 plus

about that

in your 20 plus years

what's been the big shift

is it like Carnubo waxes with everything

but when I was a kid that was the coolest thing

so we still use that word

still super strong to use Carnubo waxes

what has been a shift

is to do spray wax versions

so you mist wipe

and buff the car finish

to bring out a brilliant shine and protection

with a lot less work

especially if a person does not need to polish

their paint a spray wax

is perfect because it does leave behind

that wax protection without all the effort

how do you know if you need to polish it first

how does it look and feel

if you see

old cloth marks in it

can that polish out?

scratches and spider webbing

maybe little accidents brushed up against a bush

or an object in a parking lot

if it starts to look dull

then you probably need some polishing or paint correction

ok where do ceramics come in

that's the last decade here

is everything a ceramic

ceramics are really big

so a ceramic is an ingredient

often used either in addition

to wax or instead of wax

to provide a great coat of protection

on the paint

it can be longer lasting

can be more resilient than

wax against bird droppings, bug splatters

and other environmental fallout

so the vehicle can stay cleaner

longer and be easier

to clean when you do wash it

how long should a good

ceramic wax

last? it depends on your environment

you live in SoCal how about for you?

several months to six months

simple to apply consumer

type ceramic spray wax

or ceramic coating

do you find that most of your consumers

are putting it on with

hand application?

how many people have a DA at home?

not that many but it is growing

that people are interested in doing their own

paint correction

dual action polisher DA

it's a random orbit much like the

rotation of your hand versus a rotary

which is the high speed

spinning which can really cause

some problems if you don't know how to use it

so stay away from rotaries but DAs

or random orbitals

are very consumer friendly

our new product last year that we

introduced here at SEMA was our

California gold ceramic paint correction

that's an excellent product

for use with a DA or by hand

I've heard that term over and over

and I still don't really know what paint correction means

I assume it means what it sounds like

but what is it doing?

you're removing those towel marks

the spider webbing the scratches

the oxidation you're correcting

the visibility of the paint

so instead of scratches

you see just glossy depth

of the paint

what do we have here that's new?

so our new product we have three new products

this year we have our hydro clay

which is our California gold

clay tool that you can use

as you've washed the vehicle

and it's still wet

it actually soaks up some water

uses the car wash soap as a lubricant

or you can use a spray wax if you wish

and you just go over the car

moving it and back and forth motions

to remove the roughness

the contaminants, pollens, brake dust

and other particulates that can settle

on the paint that don't wash off

because they're kind of attached

but they can be safely removed

with the hydro clay

and instead of a clay bar

it's instead of a traditional clay bar

we still sell the traditional clay bar

and some traditionalists prefer that

but this is nice because it's faster

a little bit easier

and if you drop it you can rinse it off

and reuse it

how long does that last?

about 20 cars

another new product we have

is in addition to our simply ceramic line

which is our exhaust tip cleaner and polish

so a lot of vehicles

have polished stainless steel exhaust tips

or chrome or black chrome

this helps remove the soot

the dullness, water spots

but it leaves behind a nice coat

of protection too so it stays shiny

longer

that's a nice thing to have, everybody deals with it

you shouldn't do this I'm sure

but can you use it on a wheel?

so we wouldn't use it on a wheel normally

so most modern wheels

on your daily drivers

your Honda, your Chrysler and whatnot

are going to be clear coated

so we'd want to treat those like body paint

if you have an aftermarket wheel

that maybe is a polished aluminum

you'd use our mag and aluminum polish

so it's important to find

out and establish the wheel finish

before you start rubbing

or using a chemical

and that's part of the job that I do

if you call into mothers and you're not sure

about what to use on your wheels

I'll help you out

what's the last one here, ceramic spray?

spray and rinse

another addition to our California Gold

simply ceramic line

it is a great product to provide

easy to apply ceramic coating

after a wash you rinse it

start at the top of the section at a time

you mist an area lightly

and it is important to use

the product conservatively

don't use too much

so you spray it on an area

shower it with a hose

it disperses the chemistry across the surface

and provides a ceramic coating

granted it's not

like the thousand dollar coating

you might get it at a detail shop

but you can apply it and reapply it with ease

with just a few dollars

and that's always at the end of a car wash?

at the end of a car wash

and you might do it depending on

if your car sits out or stays in the garage

every couple months or so

do you do it while it's still wet?

you actually do need to have it still wet

and it seems contrary

everything that we've learned in the past

but it uniquely disperses

and attaches to the finish

of the vehicle

whether it's glass, chrome, paint

plastic headlight lenses

it provides a coating over that vehicle

so you're misting it

rinsing, misting, rinsing

going covering all the surfaces

of the vehicle

and then either air drying it

with a blower or

microfiber towels

the best part about working for mothers

coming to the SEMA show

really?

I think people have a love-hate relationship

either they thoroughly love it

and they enjoy all the variety

or they get over it after about day three

I tell you it's a lot of work

and a lot of tired feet here

they used to say

I think it was 14 miles of aisles

something like that

you walk up and down every aisle at the SEMA show

they don't like to say that anymore

because that intimidates people from coming

but you can walk

everywhere you turn

there's beautiful cars, there's great products

and you always run into friends

so it's a great event to come to

that is for sure

there's times when you see people you haven't seen for years

because you come here and you may not see them again

for years but it sure is nice to reconnect

all right Jim it's nice to meet you

thank you for the introduction

mothers.com what's the website

mothers.com

here we are

SEMA

2025

one year ago

possibly today Jason

we stood somewhere

that way yes

you and Jared said you know what we're going to do next year

a year from now and I said what

and you said we're not going to even tell you it's so secret

and I said well that is a very difficult interview

hard to

hype that up Jason and you said well

okay yeah we're going to bring up all new

never been done before

carbon fiber

69 Mustang

and one year from today it'll be here

well it is one year from today it is

and we're standing here with it

Jared's still tall handsome great hair

still didn't quit

no I haven't quit

okay get us up to speed on the story of trick rides

over the course of the last year so

sometimes you do interviews with people and you don't know them

and then other times your friends

we're in the friend camp so I have been following

yes but we need to give people

a picture of your background

as a car builder

and then why we are now here today

so how long you've been building cars

as a businessman

we have been building cars for

about 20 years a little more maybe

out of Oklahoma out of Oklahoma yes sir

kind of got into carbon fiber

about six years ago

was that right Jared six years ago yeah

and have learned the process

of it then

technology really

moves fast in this industry right

as a designer

I started seeing the ability to develop something

digitally right so

now you can make some curves and turns

and asymmetrical designs that you

really couldn't do by hand

so Jared and I

teamed up as partners to create

trick rides we want our cars

to be bold and different

with wild designs

and then really we were able to do

that is digitally

to get the curves to come

I can show you all this but to be able to

do all of this that's

why we did what we did you're seeing

here today but between the two of you

you've got a long history of producing

I don't know a few hundred cars

maybe more full

turnkey not hot like

production style cars right yeah we've been together

since 2012 yeah

yeah the market

of the production car like the

$400,000 production car

it's a thing it is

people love having a sorted vetted vehicle

to my knowledge a wide body

carbon fiber Mustang didn't exist

prior to you guys not until today

or yesterday actually yes that's

correct so this one here she's

number one yes we do

have some sold we're doing

20 of what we call

scorched that's the name of the car

okay you'll be able to pick your color

it is like you said a production

car that's in that price

range nobody's doing that

and we're proud of that

why a wide body Mustang

I know you know about Mustangs

you don't need to bore me to death I know

lots and lots

and lots of Mustangs yes

I want something different we've all seen

wide bodies right but most

wide bodies that you look at

are a car that has been

wide bodied in other words they bolt

on giant flares onto it

kind of resemble a 55 gallon

barrel and put

giant wheels on it this is a different

concept this is a

wide body you could not run a

295 tire on a stock

69 Mustang it'd be impossible

and you could not run

a 335 without a many tub

that's impossible

the styling cues of the car

of a wide body to make it flow smooth

like this giant flares

on it is not easy

so we wanted to produce something

that's wild

people look at and go

whoa and see you know front

splitters and side splitters

and rear diffusers and all this cool stuff

that's really what trick rides wanted to do

so Jared what did you

think you signed up for when you wanted to do this

the last I recall

you're excellent with carbon fiber

and assembly and things like that correct

and is that your primary role

here in this partnership yes I run

the shops I control the build

process Jason pretty much

showed me renderings

of the car and that was kind

of how he got me to come into

business with him was by showing me

renderings of this probably about a year

and a half ago or so then

he was like this will be what you do

you know and so I am

just over the whole process how it

gets built what we do how we

build it timeframes

parts all those things

and manage the guys do you guys produce

these bodies yourself

what we do is the composite brothers

they make the panels for us

ship the carbon panels to our

facility yep and we

produce the bodies the cars

okay yeah that makes total sense to me

take the original car dissect it

make the skeleton and everything

and then bond all the carbon fiber

as you see it here

okay that's the next question so you use the phrase

original car is there original

Mustang in there is it all

there is an original Mustang in there

no kidding is that how it works in this

industry you got to start with a donor car

usually or no so

having some experience with that

for 20 years

for 20 I would highly recommend

starting with an original

it maintains that original title

the consumer can easily insure it

there is a lot of positives that go along

do you have to do it that way

no you do not

you could build a kit car

which could look just like this

but at that point

the

consumer to title it

insure it all those things change

in comparison to an original classic car

okay what is the chassis

on this car and I assume all the ones you are going to build

all roaster shop

every one of them

Jared and I came to get on that decision too

we had never run roaster shop before

no we had never done it before

you have them in the simplicity of it

the drivability of it

you can't beat it

and that is not giving them kudos here

because you know I am trying to do it on camera

I am telling you that is first class

and bolting it on the bottom of that car

and you go drive it

it literally drives like a new car

and that is no joke

is this a bespoke chassis for you

or is this like a fast

this is a spec chassis

spec series

for a 69 Mustang

we do some options on them

we get a fuel cell

and we will get them powder coated

things like that

consumer can order that same exact chassis

and bolt it on to a 69 Mustang

okay I know you have the body here

so if you start with a spec chassis

then how are you achieving the

wide body itself with the wheel

tire and all that

that is a good question

I will let Jared answer that one for you

is it important like technical?

I thought you were about to lie

no I have no idea what works

so what we did was pretty much

it is just a factory 69 Mustang

factory rear end width

and everything

the car is not minitubbed

because the quarters are so wide

we just made the wheels fit the body

ultimately

what is really cool is no metal fabrication

the transmission tunnel for the tranny

we got a regular back seat in it

just like a 69 Mustang would have

okay so a lot of the compromises

we usually have to make to put these

monster drive trains in

we did not have to make any of those compromises

the way that roaster shop

has designed the chassis and everything

it allows you

to use all these big

transmissions and components and stuff like that

and you don't have to cut anything up

there is no metal fab

yes sir

we did not cut on the floor in one place

and it's the factory wheel tubs in the back

it's the factory wheel tubs in the back

now we had to make the outer wheel tubs

to fit our quarters

but as far as the inners go and where the frame rails

are and all that is all the factory

69 Mustang how it comes

so this car still thinks

it's a 69 Mustang

so a customer comes to you

and they say this is what I want

besides color what else do they select

what's the drivetrain

I didn't even look when I walked in

well the drivetrain in this one is a

John Causey boss 429

based engine it's a 520 cubic inch

big block with the Tremac T56 Magnum

behind it

other options you know pretty much whatever guy wants

you know we're open to anything

I said do you want to put LS in it

we'll do that Windsor based engine

coyotes supercharged coyotes

we don't care pro charge car whatever

whatever guy wants to do we're not going to limit

what he wants what is the turnaround

time on a car like this I assume

this car was one year

one day right

start to finish

I would say 12 to

18 months

I think I'm comfortable with that

the big benefit here is

probably a weight savings too

that's not the reason you probably do this

to save weight but it does

it definitely does save weight

and also carbon fiber is never going to rust

there's a bondo on that car

yeah this is the body right

you don't have to worry about some shady

bondo stuff covered up and whatever else

that's literally the body

so the next car we're doing

is a candy color so it's translucent

you can see through the candy

so you'll really be able to see all the carbon

on the entire car

carbon fiber is great too because

you're not adding this body kit to a steel car

that makes sense it's already built into the panel

yeah the inner structure

it's a Mustang and it's

got a carbon fiber body on it

and it still thinks it's a 69 Mustang

that's correct it's a drive pretty good

man this thing drives good

they drive really well yeah that

Rosershop chassis is pretty amazing

it really is compared to like

the subframe car with a Mustang 2

and all that those are nice

and everything but it's just better

in my opinion what happens after 20 cars

we'll talk

20 cars from now about that

we already have a plan

but no we have some other models coming out

so we hope to introduce

a charger next year

here at SEMA a carbon

68 charger

we also want to work on an F100

truck which we're right in the middle of right now

all carbon we currently

also offer it's not on our site yet

because we're so behind here

getting to SEMA but we offer a

69 carbon fiber Camaro

which we soon would have

some photos and I'm sure

marketing firm would share those with you

alright so I guess next year

whatever it is we're debuting

we will all find out about together

which I do look forward to

and in all sincerity and honesty

as you guys both know this is a business

you choose to be in

you don't have to be in it

there are easier ways to make a living

they'd be a lot less painful

probably

this is art and this makes people happy

so appreciate it fellas what's the website again

it'd be trickrides.com

that's how you can reach us

contact form we also have subscriptions on there as well

Jared, Jason

thank you so much

here we are for our

annual interview

with someone I'm always

relieved to see on the interview schedule

Rick Love

and it's not just because it'll be a softball

easy interview

and you know all of that

it's because I like you

I trust you

you always have something fun to talk about

and then we can complain about things we don't like

never a shortage of complaints

that's for true you know I was talking

we were dropping some new products off the other day

and the union guy was asking me if I've done this before

and I started thinking about

I think this is my 30th SEMA

so it's been a while

seen some changes over the years for sure

well what's the latest and greatest for vintage air

the Kleenex of hot rod

advertise

we take care of the sweat you know you don't have to wipe it off

what we've got there right

brand name everybody when they say air conditioning

they mean vintage air and that's usually what they bought

we try to keep our customers

as cool as possible you know and we appreciate

their trust

and confidence in us all the time

we're really excited this year we've got several

actually a bunch of new products this year

one that we're especially excited about

is we've got a whole new control panel

for our gen five systems we call it the big three

and it's a larger rotary

three knob control panel

very OEM looking for 70s

80s cars larger panel

it'll be a good fit with some of these

larger center stacks that these car has

we're going to integrate it into the later OBS

truck and into the Fox body

Mustangs ok stuff as well

and also got a new universal

panel for it builder series panel for it

so excited about that one we're also

introducing a new 67

68 Camaro upgrade control

panel ability aluminum control

panel very OEM looking though

just an upgrade OEM looking

and the nice thing about it something brand new

for us is we're integrating RGB

lighting into it so color change exactly

that's a fancy way of saying it's going to color

change so you'll be able to match it either to

an incandescent light like a classic

instruments or something like that or

original instruments or if you've got

Dakota digital instruments then you'll be able

to match the color it will basically slave

with the Dakota digital signal

to match the color on our controls

our backlighting on our controls to match the gauges

like a can bus thing like how does it know

that's what I mean it's slaves you've got a slave cable

that goes to the Dakota digital

controller and it'll do that or you

we've also got a switch where you can cycle

through and pick the color you want as well

so it's pretty cool I'm excited about it

we're very excited to get it into the market

we're standing in front of all the compact

units here that I assume are more universal

and I mean the big difference is

the size yes and I assume

the size dictates the volume

of area you can or can't move exactly

the end coil size I mean

anything yeah and the gen 5 basically

that's our electronics package

then we have several different evaporators

using that electronics package

we have redesigned it within the last

year and a half two years all of our

universal builder series systems

for years we had the gen 2 series

had a gen 2 mini a gen 2 compact

a gen 2 super and then

the gen 5 magnum module and

over the last year now we've

redesigned all three of the smaller

builder series unit so now we have

a gen 5 mini a gen 5

compact and a gen 5 super

through different CAD engineering

we've been able to increase the air flow on all of them

compared to what the old systems used to be

microprocessor controlled

now using also a

block expansion valve gives you a little

bit more precise refrigerant control

which is really nice the other thing

that's huge about this now is now

instead of just having to match up controls

from one system to another we have

one controls package that goes straight across

the board so everything yep so if you've got

a sure fit kit that same control panel

will work on any of the gen 5 the mini

the super the compact or the magnum

so it allows a lot more flexibility

for builders as they're building cars

when you figure what kind of control

I want to use and for the guys that

have built cars for years and used some of the

gen 2 systems they know it was a 4 control

system you had a 3 speed blower you had

an air selector and then you had a

thermostat and then a variable heater control

valve we've eliminated that thermostat

now that coil temperatures all

monitored through the ECU

so now you only have 3 controls

more like your late model vehicle you've

got a blower speed you've got an air

selection and you've got a temperature

it's easier for somebody to figure out and

again you don't have that manual

capillary tube to be running so more

simplicity as well I'm probably now

thinking here because we work

on muscle cars so I always

think of it as a kit made for my car

I would assume that's what most people

want to get in general but

is that really true I mean if you've

maintained and upgraded the builder

series here which is that's a legacy

product you don't have to keep it so

you clearly saw the requirement and

the need to keep it what is the builder

series represent versus all the

packages well you've got over

185 different sure thick kits

systems that are designed specifically

for it because it is it's a lot

but there's also a lot of cars

that we don't have a sure thick kit

for you know some of the Buick some of

the early Oldsmobile some of those

we don't have both insure thick kits

for yet so the builder series

allows you to get the same

cooling capacity even if

we don't have a sure thick kit for the system

or you know it may come to the case where

tri-fives are a perfect example

muscle car in some respects

plastic in other respects but you know

you start stuffing a big motor in there

and start recessing the firewall

or something like that now you know

our sure thick kits are designed to mount

off original mounting points that are

in the firewall so if you start doing

some serious firewall modifications

now all of a sudden the sure thick kit

may not be the exact choice for you

you know you do a custom dash in the car

you do a custom interior something

like that that makes some radical changes

to that now all of a sudden the sure thick kit

comes to the vehicle it makes sense

or I don't know maybe you're building a

suburban and you stick an extra one in the back

dual air is getting more that's

getting to be more of a thing we're

seeing that more the one thing that

everybody's got to keep in mind when

you start dealing with dual air is

you've got two evaporators now

absorbing heat you've got a front

evaporator and rear evaporator

heat exchangers they're absorbing heat

you've got to have a large enough

heat exchanger in the front of the

car and you've got to have a little larger

capacity compressor to move enough

refrigerant for two evaporators as well

so it's not as simple as just

adding a second evaporator like any

other system in your vehicle you got

to make sure the components are all matched

up okay I would make sense control

upgrades are the probably one of the

biggest visual change somebody can see

good like because they look new and they

look cool and they're right they're clicky

and you know all of that mine is

the old potentiometer style is that

yeah we do that with the gen 5

yeah with the gen 5 we're using the standard

cable converters and that's for

like a guy like you that wanted to maintain

the OEM look on it so you've maintained

the look of your OEM control with those

cable converter pots and 66

Chevelle same way 67 Chevelle

same way but we offer

an upgrade for that as well if you

want to build an aluminum panel that goes in the

dash that's a little more modern looking at

that fits the style you're doing in the dash

we have those available for a whole lot of cars

okay and they're probably easier to use

in some ways yeah for sure

some ways yeah they are

easier to use again you know for a long

time and gosh next year will be

our 50th year in business so we're excited

about our 50th anniversary next year

but you know yourself how things

have changed at some point

everybody wanted to maintain the OEM

look of their vehicle they wanted to keep the look of that

original control now

I think the majority of people are doing

more upgrades on their dash as a whole

you know upgraded gauges

gauges everything things like that yeah so you might

want to get louvers and

control panels that are a little more

contemporary looking that'll go with that

so let's switch countries

Z cars we're standing

in front of the Z car signage here I guess

but are Z cars a big deal

man we've supported Z cars

through the years through builder series

and we had several builders here

and overseas that are big Z car guys

they've been using a Gen 2 compact

through the years and gosh

we started getting more and more people asking

about it and now the more

research we did the interest in those

vehicles is amazing and they're just as passionate

about those 240, 260, 280

Z's as we are about our Chevelle's

Camaro's and things like that

and you think about like Stacy David

he's building the 240 Z now

there's one running in the optimum

right now yeah I got to meet Sung Kang

here who's big

fast and furious guy you know and he's a big

240 and we just put a system

in one of his 240's and man

he is raving about it now he's got several

others that he wants to put the system in

and that Japanese sports car

has become a muscle car to them

they're doing engine swaps they're doing

suspension upgrades they're doing all of that so

we're real excited about

getting more involved in that market

and growing are there any other

I'm sure there are but are there any other

what I would call for and make

vintage air supported products

well we've started to support in some

ways some of the older BMW's

and Porsches we're doing

what we call AC solutions

which is basically a firewall forward kit

where you get a new expansion valve

you get a new compressor a new compressor bracket

a new parallel flow condenser

upgraded lines and hoses

and get rid of that old R12 stuff

go to an O-ring 134A system

that's designed to work that way

and you upgrade the performance of the original evaporator

in those BMW's and Porsches

that's a whole other market

Porsches right now

we're going into the Carreras

the 80s era, 84 to 89

84 to 89 Porsche Carreras

that's when the first 4As into those

along with the BMW's

we have been branching out for a while now

and just kind of hitting it just

we've got a couple of the guys that are real big Jeep enthusiasts

and we've got some customers

that are big customers for Jeep

that we've been working with

rebuilders and things like that so

we've got products here at SEMA

we've got a brand new Sure-Fit kit

for the Jeep Wagon Ears

from 67 right up to 91

exactly several different kits for that

and now we introduced also at SEMA

a brand new kit for the YJ Jeep

how about scouts to get a scout

velocity does scouts

and they use our Gen 5 Magnum in their scouts

my son works at this little shop in Iowa

called Anything Scout

I'm sure they're using Builder Series now

that I think about it

chicken in every pot or like an idiot

in every village or something like that

but you have a solution for somebody

even if you don't have a Sure-Fit kit

let's turn the tables here

you do see the industry pretty well

you just have a knack for it

what's next so it used to be

trucks

trucks are still huge

there are more third gen Camaros

and Fox Buddies out

there are more cars in Central Hall this here

than I remember in the past it was more trucks

I assume trucks are still

the bigger seller right now but is that going to change

what's interesting to me

is what we're seeing more of

as you spoke is

guys using like square body trucks

and stuff and there's a ton of guys using those

for daily drivers

for what a new truck costs now

you can build a really nice 67 to 72

or 73 to 88

square body and have a

really nice daily driver with good brakes

good climate control, good steering

and everything and you're still cheaper than

a new vehicle is they drive good, they ride good

and you're not driving with everybody else's

you know my daily driver is an 87

Aerocoop I know we've talked about that before

I just ordered a brand new blueprint motor

for it, I'm going to upgrade it a little bit

I've got our system in it and everything

and that's my daily driver so

I mean we're right next to Roadster Shop here

they've got a full spec chassis for a Fox Body Mustang

we have a complete Sure-Fit kit

for the Fox Body Mustang

they're doing third gen Camaro spec chassis

we have a kit for that as well

for that as well on those third gen

so you know a whole lot of this

comes down to people's interest in cars

comes down to what they're nostalgic about

do you think it's possible

in 40 years that you'll

have a Sure-Fit kit for like a Kia

Sorento

and the reason I ask is because

whatever's up and coming is 40 years old

right that's the thing because

that's the age of the person that was

16 when I was new

yeah exactly

these kids will grow up with little

SUVs I mean that's what they know

you wonder there's still got to be a

passion aspect of it you know it's still

got to be something that people thought was cool

and you know will a Kia Sorento

be cool in 40 years I don't know

maybe with wheels and a lift kit

or a drop or something like that

maybe you can make it cool I don't know

I still think there has to be a

passion aspect of it that

it'll be interesting to see what continues

and what does show as the next

hot vehicle on there

yeah you never know you know I have three kids

and one of them's into it and the other

two just aren't yeah he doesn't

have a new car to some

people my brother's that way I mean you know I've been

a car guy all my life I've been in it since

I was a kid doing you know models and

Legos and working on race cars with friends

and all of that to my brother a car is a

toaster it gets him from one place to

the other it's a utility is all it is

and with our industry

there's always going to be a strong

I mean I am really excited to

see like I did the unveils

for the HRI a boot this year

and in our mobile again and

and there's a young guy there

that just at a charger did you see that I did

man yeah it's 26 years old

was he really yeah I didn't know that you see the level

of work on that charger and everything I mean

it's one right yeah little

and he followed a theme from front to rear

I'm really impressed with that

it's great to see younger guys

continuing to bring that on

I think they'll be a good passion and I

will say that there's you know what

like the new Cadillac EVs

they're great looking wheels

tires and a internal combustion engine

would be great yeah

I can see that yeah and you see from

what just kind of talking like that really

we're taking a step back now

and I think hybrids are going to become

much more apart

before we start getting to more of the

battery electric I think hybrids are going to be there more

I think the marketplace is

spoken yes yes

didn't sell near the electric F-150s

that they thought they would

alright last one I haven't seen a new Dodge Charger

here yet have you I haven't and I was

looking because I've seen pictures of them

and I really want to see in person

seen a couple in person

I really thought I'd see one here with a

hemi in it I did too

I think we will next year oh next year I

would think for sure alright

vintagere.com vintagere.com come see

all the new stuff we have we're always

looking to be improving. Thanks Rick. Thanks

Rob always great to see you.

Here we go gang

okay that was show number two

from SEMA now

gear up for Thanksgiving next week

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your dreams like you've let me chase mine and let's

end this episode where we started

with WKRP

happy Thanksgiving gang see you next week

are you okay? I don't know

a man and his two children

tried to kill me

after the turkeys hit the pavement

the crowd kind of scattered but

some of them tried to attack me

I had to jam myself into a phone booth

then Mr. Carlson had the helicopter

land in the middle of the parking lot

I guess he thought he could save the day

by turning the rest of the turkeys loose

it's pretty strange after that

come on I'll tell us the rest

I really don't know how to describe it

it was like the turkeys mounted a counter attack

it was almost as if they were

organized

as God is my witness

I thought turkeys could fly

thanks for parking at the muscle car

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About this episode

SEMA 2025 brings a star-studded lineup featuring the renowned Ring Brothers, who unveil their groundbreaking 1971 Aston Martin, a project that showcases their evolution as builders. Joined by Jim Dvorak from Mothers Car Care, who shares expert detailing tips, and Jason Engel and Jared Morris from Trick Rides, who present their fully carbon fiber 1969 Mustang. Rick Love from Vintage Air rounds out the discussions with insights on new products. The episode captures the excitement of SEMA and the innovative spirit of the automotive community.

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Original notes

In this second episode of our SEMA 2025 series, we dive headfirst into the builders and brands that continue to reshape the automotive world. From the groundbreaking work of Ringbrothers and their jaw-dropping carbon-fiber Aston Martin “Octavio” build, to the bold vision of Trick Rides and their all-carbon widebody ’69 Mustang “Scorched” series, this episode is packed with innovation, craftsmanship, and next-level thinking. We also step into the world of modern car care with Mothers, highlighting the latest in ceramic protection, paint correction, HydroClay technology, and easy-to-apply spray ceramic coatings that are changing how enthusiasts maintain their builds.

We also connect with longtime industry leaders at Vintage Air, where Rick Love walks us through the latest airflow upgrades, RGB-lit control panels, Dakota Digital integration, expanded builder systems, and new Jeep-specific solutions — all as the company approaches its 50th anniversary. From million-dollar custom builds to practical products you can use in your own garage, this episode delivers the real stories, real tech, and real passion you only get when walking the SEMA show floor with The Muscle Car Place crew.

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