which it, look, it's not in for the future this thing.
It can't be.
Those cars are just gonna be worthless.
You know, no one's gonna want it.
As a final ditch effort,
let's say petrol cars are bound tomorrow, fine.
I want the thing to look like I like it, fine.
But yeah, I can maybe understand it
if it's like, let's say you live in London
and it's a car that you've owned 50 years or something
and you just want it to work and go to the shops in.
You don't want to deal with having to sit there
and manually choke it for, you know,
five minutes to get a car in the morning.
Then I can kind of understand it
if it's your forever car,
but you just want to drive and look at.
But you're robbing the soul of the car.
It's such a tired thing to say
that it's like you're taking the soul out of a car,
but you are, you're taking the thing that made it
what it was and just making it a poster.
You're just making it a thing to look at.
Which for a car for me,
that is not what a car is, a car is to drive.
Yeah, that's it.
You may as well get on.
I think in the future,
you may as well have just got the bus.
That's what they want you to do anyway.
I think this, I think you give it another 50 years.
This whole, oh, I'm going to take my car on a B road
and you know, and give it around the car.
Just to drive for your car.
It will literally just be a point A to point B.
You know, and some of those cars are car to me,
as long as it gets me from point A to point B.
Personal travel is, you know that.
Because really like,
personal travels hasn't been a thing for that long.
I always think about like,
all we do is cars,
but cars haven't even been around for that long.
How long have humans been around?
But we've had cars for like a hundred years.
But as we know it anyway,
cars have been around for like a hundred years.
So they've come on a fair bit,
but I always think of the,
on the sort of what you mentioned before,
we mentioned this on our podcast,
but we went to Goodwood recently
for Festival of Speed.
And I, the Ferrari F80,
that's like, that's a big moment.
That's the Ferrari of this generation.
So, and I've not been that interested in it
because of the, you know, despite the numbers
and I think it looks great,
but it's got a V6 in it.
And I saw it launch at Goodwood.
I was like, if you're 12,
even if you're 12, you know, 112,
you're going to look at that and go,
that was so underwhelming.
Whereas, and then there was a,
the comparison is there was a Pagani,
two cars afterwards.
And that thing, you could see,
there's a crowd of people
and you could see everyone looks at each other
and goes, wow,
even when there's somebody who's not into cars,
people with fingers in their ears going, that,
that's a car.
Whereas the Ferrari thing,
that was, that's my only like thing is that
if the cars like the Ferrari are
like the F80 are what kids are looking at,
I don't think they're going to become
quite as obsessed by them.
Because they don't have the same things
that cars did 10, 20 years ago.
Yeah.
And then it's scary.
Well, then you've got to think not just about us
and whingeing about having to drive electric cars,
but then you've got to look at the manufacturers and go,
they, you know, their production team
was literally their engineers,
but to put these together.
And I hate this thing.
Yeah.
Off a Ferrari.
I mean, there must be some Italians in that factory
going, this thing should have a V12.
My money.
Yeah.
You're talking to me,
we're making the big Ferrari without a V12.
Yeah.
I know, I know.
What a shame.
What a shame.
Well, that's unfortunately,
we're on this wave.
The other thing that I wonder about those is,
I feel like the poster car has disappeared.
Yeah.
Like you take the 80s,
it's either a Testros or a Contagion.
Yeah.
You had two.
That was it.
Even going to the early 2000s,
it was the Enzo or it was the Mercilago.
Yeah.
For me, that's what it was.
Yeah.
There are so many things now
and there's such a saturation in the market
of people posting on Instagram,
people posting on YouTube.
You know, I used to get my information from Topkit.
Yeah.
I've been covered it three months beforehand,
but I was six.
I couldn't go and buy magazines.
Yeah.
Now, like I watched the last seasons of Topkit
and they'd be like, it's the speed tail.
I'm like, I saw this two years ago.
I know this.
This is already gone.
Yeah.
Any kind of special feeling of like,
this big thing is coming seems to just be gone now.
Even the F80, I wasn't excited.
I hadn't seen one yet,
but I've been like,
I've seen four videos on this on yesterday,
on Instagram.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the special feeling.
There are so many different iterations of the same car.
Yeah.
You know, that's it.
Not even just that.
Yeah.
But look at the, what's the car Mark McCann's just bought?
The B11.
The bike.
No, no, no, no.
The KTM.
Yeah.
But yeah, the KTM, like there are,
everyone makes a sports car now
or everyone makes a super car.
So you are right.
Where there used to be the, the vantage,
there'd be a Ferrari equivalent.
There'd be four or five.
Yeah.
In the McLaren, you go, oh wow,
they're unreal.
Now, yeah, literally everyone.
Yeah.
I said to Ben yesterday,
I said to Ben, that was my poster car.
One of them on my wall.
Yeah.
One of them there.
Yeah.
And now you'd look at a basic Huracan and go,
well, it's the Ferrari business.
Millions of these.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And then you get in the car now,
we've talked about this recently,
but like you get in a car
and it's almost like a chore.
Like that, that Tiguan is just a full on chore.
And it's a, it's a work vehicle,
it's a great work vehicle,
but you get in it and you're,
you're like a fighter pilot
before you even set off, right?
Start off.
Yeah.
You're like a fighter pilot
before you even set off, right?
Start off.
You're like a fighter pilot
before you even set off, right?
Start off.
Auto signed,
speed limit warning off.
Get that off, off, off.
And then you can turn all that over,
but you can't turn that stupid thing
where you're reversing out
onto a main road and it's seeing a cargo.
How slams it's brake on.
You're only doing like two mile an hour.
We've gone past the whole,
they killed it with the missions
and now they're killing it
with this safety technology
where it's just a chore to drive.
There's too many things.
The glada and the 550,
which obviously we've spoken about.
I know a fair bit about glada,
but when I got in it,
there's nothing.
Yeah.
It has a steering wheel.
And this is a manual one as well.
So it's a manual.
There is no mode.
There isn't even a sport mode.
It's just like, no, this,
this is a Lamborghini.
Sport mode is,
that's what it is.
It's the key.
So there's no like,
even the 550 I had a sport button,
but other than that,
there's traction control and that's it.
That's, that's what I think
people are now coming round to it.
And this is probably more like
the people who've got the money
to spend on these cars,
which is not why they're getting expensive.
They go, hang on.
It's the, we missed the good times
when they were actually there.
It's unlocked.
It's got a handbrake.
It's got all the bits you want.
From a design point of view,
like we go back to these older cars,
we're like, wow,
those things are beautiful.
What was up with steering wheels?
Like, look at this.
There's some of these steering wheels
they make now.
They're like, they're a work of art.
You could get like this beautiful Porsche 911,
like, immaculate.
It'd be probably worth like
250, 300 grand nowadays
because it's just perfect condition or whatever.
You look inside in the steering wheel.
The four spoke steering wheel.
Yeah.
I think it's because the airbag size.
Oh, right.
It's because like now,
if you look at a Porsche steering wheel now,
those really nice ones,
the steering wheel, the airbag is this big.
It's just a little button.
Okay.
Whereas back in the day,
they were like, you have to have the four spoke
that was this big.
Yeah.
It's huge, horrible.
We always talk about the 355.
Yeah.
They have, there was,
I don't actually do it.
Is it earlier one has no airbag?
The early ones have no airbag
and the later ones have.
The later one has the steering wheel.
It's also a four smoke, I think.
Yeah.
And it's awful.
Compared to the old ones.
It looks like a Ford steering wheel.
It ruins the interior.
It looks like, you know,
when Aston's had those Ford ones
and the badge is slightly off center.
And it's like,
Yeah.
Who let that out of the factory?
And yeah, I guess it's just that tech moved on.
But then tech moves on,
but then like,
I always use the super as an example.
I've used it as an example loads of times.
Like, what a great, like the late,
and some people would say,
no, the old one was better.
But I thought that,
you know, that's a really good looking car.
I'd never buy one,
but that's a really nice car.
I can really appreciate that.
And then I watched like the first review on it,
and I'm looking at the steering wheel and I'm going,
it might as well be a Yaris now.
You've ruined it.
I don't know, I don't know why steering wheel
is such a big deal for you.
I think it's the things you see,
the things you see and the things you touch
are like the, and here,
see are the most important things in a car.
So as soon as you mess that up,
you start to go, oh, yeah.
And they really didn't mess that up.
It's like they went,
oh, tell you what,
this is better than the BMW equivalent.
How can't I have that?
Wacker-crap steering wheel.
I sold.
I did it.
I did it.
If we can be proud, won't we?
Yeah.
Let's make a Z4 that looks prettier,
sounds, yeah, well, it's obviously bigger.
Sounds better, it drives better, yeah.
But then that's, yeah,
it's not, I'm still right, it's too perfect.
All the Carnards are going to love it,
and then Wacker-crap are on it.
All right, get the eBay resistors going
and stick a non-airbag wheel on.
Yeah, true, yeah, true.
That could be a plan.
Yeah, that's it, that's it,
we're on it.
What happens to all of your old project cars,
if you like, do you sort of keep them?
Oh, yeah, that was the, like, the graveyard of this stuff.
We have got a few, we're now in a process,
we've got to a point where we're like,
we need to work through what we have,
otherwise we're just going to end up with a pit of off.
Finish your main and then you can have dessert.
Yeah, I like that, it's round.
But if we have something that is not worthy of us,
really, that's kind of too good
or we don't want to go any further
that we don't giveaways,
which is, it's a perfect way,
it's meant that we've been able to pay for better projects,
like things like the XFR wouldn't have been,
XFR and the E55 energy,
and modifying them, you know,
without being constrained by a sort of tight budget,
is not possible without doing those.
So-
And then the other side of it is
we've tried selling cars privately.
And it's not, it is a very tiny percentage
of our audience, our clowns.
They are hot-takers.
The majority are of the nicest people on earth.
They come up to us and they're like, I love videos,
but there is a very finite amount of you who are idiots.
We put a car up for sale and they'll, on eBay,
we put a car up, so on eBay, DriveTrib did it.
It worked perfectly.
Our FTO got bid up to 150 million pounds.
Which would have been great.
Which would have been great in 45 minutes.
And you can't undo it.
We then try listening stuff on Facebook.
You get jokers, they're like,
I'll give you a Mars bar and a PSD.
Okay, fine, that's kind of funny.
But then we've had people go, yeah, no, actually, I want it.
And then they'll just deliberately not turn up.
I'll go, nah, or they'll turn up
and go, I'm actually not really interested in the car.
I just wanted to come and see you guys.
Well, thanks, but you know.
Come to a show, if you see us out in public, fine.
That's all good.
But that's literally, we took time out of our day
to do this.
And we're not selling these cars expensive.
Like we're trying to move them on.
And we just get messed around.
So the easiest thing for us is to do the raffle.
Like, I think we'd still do it
if we were losing money on these cars.
Cause someone gets it for five pounds.
The guy that just won the TVR is a long time,
like watcher of the podcast, he watched all the stuff.
He's obsessed with the car.
He was like, I want it for eight or not a 10 quid.
He was like, I'm going to keep it.
I'm going to do stuff to it.
I love it.
That's perfect.
That is the ideal scenario where you've got the car
for less, someone that maybe entered
and spent a pound or two isn't,
they're still upset.
They didn't win it, but they're not as gutted as,
you know, having spent 10 grand on the car
and it breaking on the way, something like that.
It breaks, it breaks.
It's one of those things, yeah.
So yeah, they're kind of the easiest way for us to,
not, we keep trying to say, not get rid of shit.
Like we never, all the cars like Kyle went
and spent two days on the TVR,
buffing up stuff that I hadn't got to.
The Jag we've just sent for paint work
and a timing belt, because we don't want someone
to get it and go, oh, oh, okay.
Oh, I've got a scrap Jag.
Yeah.
Great.
What's next?
Is there a car that's yet to be released
or about, that is now released
that you're super excited about?
There it, well, we bought it months ago.
That's, we've mentioned it a few times.
We bought an EVO 5.
Nice.
Left hand drive from every man.
So some of us,
we're the one that's brought a few cars.
We were actually, we were bidding on a Clio V6.
There was a super rough, like ultra rough project,
Clio V6 and auction.
And before we actually considered bidding on it,
we went and went to have a look at it.
And then the guy who was there,
who was a follower of the channel,
he said, oh, by the way, every man are over there
because it was that, I can't remember where it is.
Is that like a track, airfield type thing?
And he said, I've heard they're selling off some cars.
And he was like, they've got a few bits.
And he mentioned EVOs.
So we were like, we just go to their door.
I think obviously you called them.
Yeah, they were like, no, you can't come in
but ring this guy.
And I rung him and he was like,
yeah, we've got some cars to sell.
I got an Aventador at 150.
We're like, no, no, no, that's not us.
Our budget's a little bit lower.
But somewhere between there and Primark.
And he went, oh, I've got a Ferrari 360 for like 45.
We were like, nope, still, not like that.
Oh, okay.
Well, I've got some impretas and EVOs.
And I said, okay, well, let us know.
I'd like to show, send me some videos of both.
And the impretas were just WRX bug eyes.
So we were like, no.
And then he just sent the video of this EVO
and it immediately, because we were lying nerds,
we saw black door handles and we were like,
that's an RS EVO.
Those are worth good amount of money.
And then he opened the door and he went,
yeah, obviously left hand drive on this one.
And we were like, left hand drive.
That's weird.
Looked it up and there were a number of left hand drive RS
EVOs made from the factory, about 300 ever
that were made for racing teams to race.
And it said, you'll know it's real
because it won't have a VIN number.
He popped the bonnet and he's like,
yeah, he's a VIN number and it's just blank plate.
And we're like, shit, this is an actual
left hand drive EVO RS.
We bought it, did the deal.
It took a long time.
It took months for the deal to go through.
Did the deal and then rung up the guy who built it
which is Roger Clark Motorsport.
And he went, oh, I remember building that car.
Yeah, there's like a hundred of those cars
left in the world, by the way.
That's very rare.
And we were like, oh, okay.
So we got a special of our hands.
So yeah, for that reason that I mentioned earlier
we haven't posted anything about it
because that's still got to go for rust repair.
Yeah.
It's quite rusty.
It will, we didn't want to post one video and go,
bye guys, see you in six months on this car's back.
Yeah.
Because as you can imagine,
lots of people with EVOs need rust repair.
So there was quite a long line.
Yeah.
But yeah, so that over there in that corner
there is an EVO engine out the car.
Oh no.
Which is the reason we got it so cheap.
At least some stuff off the table.
But yeah, there's, that's the reason why
we got it so cheap.
Yeah.
Nice.
When you were younger, what was your Subaru
or Mitsubishi?
I was EVO always.
You were EVO.
Quite close on it in Pretzer from like,
playing like Nifa Speed and stuff.
I liked it in Pretzers.
I remember telling my dad once that he once mentioned
that he was interested in an in Pretzer
and I was so excited to see that.
I was like, you're buying an in Pretzer.
I was like, this is amazing.
But as I matured I realized that EVO is the answer.
Yeah.
I had an EVO eight years ago that yeah.
That's, yeah.
I still like to try an in Pretzer.
And obviously on Overdrive we had a WRX wagon
which was unbelievable and so, so reliable as well
which they get a lot of stick for.
But EVO's to me, they just feel a bit more,
because you don't see a regular,
they don't have the WRX or whatever
just roaming around the street for two grand.
EVO's feel a bit more special to me.
Yeah.
Also, like it's something I've always felt
and has been confirmed by not only EVO owners
but Subaru owners to me is that a 350 horsepower EVO
is far faster than a 350 horsepower in Pretzer.
Yeah.
They, for some reason at the same power level
they are never similar at all.
All that all about,
Japan had this weird regulation where
it was just a gentleman's agreement.
Yeah.
Oh, was that what it was?
It was like they all went them and they all did.
276, we all not exceed 276
and then immediately or secretly exceed.
So Mr Bishop went full GM and both.
Yeah.
So like R32s dyno that like 310,
R34s were up to like 350.
Wow.
So, they just went...
Hence by the EVO wins.
276.
Yeah, that's it.
Don't tell them
but we'll just sneak another hundred dollars price.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're all gentlemen, we're not exceeding this, are we?
I love that, I love that.
Well it's only really what they're doing these days, isn't it?
Yeah.
The Super was the same.
I think what was that for?
It dino'd at like 50 or 60 horsepower more than it was supposed to.
Yeah.
Which was B58 best engine.
M5s.
I used to have an F10 and M5 and they dubbed that back in.
They were 550 was the number they had, but they just dino at 600 horsepower.
Yeah, easy.
It's just a dumb, and I always think about it, like, is it partly like a marketing thing where
they can go, ah, then we can release the better version, lay down the line, not do a lot to it,
because they release the competition in which they say, it's 600 horsepower.
They go, well, hang on.
Yeah.
If you don't dino a standard one, you'll probably have 590.
That's all they do.
Like, literally, even like now with mine outside, it comes with apparently 510, which it isn't.
Yeah.
And then there's coding companies now that can just go, OK, then you have 530 now
if you like.
So that's off the later model.
That's all it is.
It's just software stuff.
Yeah.
Type in an email.
Yeah, that's it.
That's it.
But then apparently, I heard something the other day where it makes sense.
Apparently, it's got to be at least 510.
So if you live in a desert, it's hot.
It's humid.
It's, you're running 90-whatever fuel.
Yeah.
It's got to be at least 510.
Ah, interesting.
That makes sense.
This country, cooler air, good fuel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's going to be.
It's 1,000 horsepower.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
With the Ferrari that we drove the other day, I asked them, why is the speed limit on it?
It's supposedly 199.
Yeah.
And Charlie, the owner said, no, it's because the F40 was still the fastest Ferrari at 200.
And they didn't want to, they didn't want to use up it.
So realistically, it's like 203.
They're like, no, a 199.
Yeah.
Because realistically, who's going to do it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're still up to it.
They're still up to it.
They're still up to it.
Ferrari's had those sort of stories.
That's the character.
Yeah, exactly.
Outrageous.
Just cheating.
Yeah.
Just cheating and lying.
Yeah.
Everyone else?
I love that.
You guys are amazing.
Yeah.
It kind of happened on the, you remember when the Top Gear wanted to do the Holy Trinity
track test.
Yes.
And it was McLaren and Ferrari.
Ah.
But basically, it was McLaren saying, talking about Ferrari saying, we want a customer
car, not one from Ferrari.
Yeah.
Because we know that the one from Ferrari is not going to have cats.
Yeah.
Or he's going to have Michael Street McEvoy or whatever.
He's going to have something, some cheating is going to happen if it comes from them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I remember that episode, actually.
I do remember that.
Yeah.
Which on the grand tour, they actually managed to nail, didn't they?
Yeah.
They actually got all three together, which was the first, the world had seen really
of those three together.
But it was good.
Notice how each manufacturer got the mechanics and everyone there at the time.
Was it McLaren or Porsche who were like, I just have a car?
It was Porsche.
It was Porsche.
Yeah.
And Ferrari, obviously Ferrari were.
Yeah.
But yeah, McLaren was, I think they were both the same.
Yeah.
They were like, no, you, I'm only doing it if you do that.
Yeah.
Porsche were like, hey, like we're just here.
We have a car.
Yeah.
Enjoy it.
Where's TDC going in the next year then?
Have you got any aspirations?
Where would you want to see yourself this time next year, basically?
Into your question.
Yeah.
Full interview mode then.
Obviously it's easy to think of subscriber numbers.
That's always a, we've already said like, ended this year, we'd like 500,000
which we're kind of on course for.
I mean, a million would be lovely.
I mean, it'd be lovely because we've, that's like, if we've grown a channel to a million.
Yeah.
It feels like that is always, a million is the best number for anything to be.
Like it's, oh, cool.
I did it a million.
A million is a 1M.
And you get that 1M.
Yeah.
That's nice.
That's the pluck on the wall job, isn't it?
Numbers wise.
And obviously if the, then the channel to keep growing, but just to kind of still be doing
what we're doing.
Yeah.
Level maybe.
We're not saying that we're just going to be going into burgatties and whatever, but
just knowing that we can do pretty much anything we want to be able to do on cars.
To a Yaris.
I mean, sorry, Tesla.
Okay.
Yeah.
T-Electric.
Yeah.
The T-1 in.
Yeah.
The T-1 in.
That's one that we can guarantee.
That will all just be software issues.
Oh my God, yeah.
It sounds a little bit soppy, but honestly, if we're still doing the stuff, like,
if we're still enjoying it like we are today, I'd be happy then next year.
I'd never want this to become a job, which sounds, you know, a little bit dickish because
I know this already isn't a job.
I'm very lucky to do what I'm doing anyway.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But to be able to still say that it's not, doesn't become like, that would be incredible.
Like morning, morning, morning feeling.
Yeah.
Coming in here this morning, I bet you weren't thinking, Oh God.
I'm genuinely lucky to say that other than a brief stint at car throttle where I had
to edit MotoGP motorcycle footage, I really do not like motorbikes.
And I had to come in at like 4am and leave at 1am every day for like a couple weeks.
Really?
That's the only time I can ever say I've disliked my job.
Yeah.
I feel very, very lucky to say that.
That's extremely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How many people these days could say that?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Which is why we try and say it quite a lot on video, but we're very grateful to the
viewers.
Like it's only because of them and only because of them taking a chance on us starting
it and sticking around that we can do this stuff.
Yeah.
We say it quite often that please keep watching.
You want to drive more cars?
Go away.
I don't look about to work.
No, good on you for that.
It's great.
Really good.
Well, I think we've covered everything, haven't we?
Yeah.
Anything you guys wanted to?
I don't know.
We'll take the BMW outside.
Yeah, we'll take that.
If you want to crash it, we can rebuild it.
That's video.
Put me in it.
Just wait till he has never driven it.
Yeah.
I'm terrible.
Put it that way.
And Ben was stupid enough to let me drive his car all the way to where did we get
last time?
What was the end destination?
Somewhere in Austria.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Austria.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Flashback.
Flashback.
Yeah.
Hello.
I was very tame as you can imagine.
Yeah, yeah.
I drove it like that.
10 to 2.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I just had my drive in his truck to open my right with my shoulder.
Yeah.
Check in the mirrors.
Yeah.
Now remember, Lou, I'm here to teach you how to drive, to pass your test, not to
teach you how to drive.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're telling me I'm shit.
Thank you.
I mean, all you have to stop flying down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brilliant.
Thank you guys for coming over.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Great episode.
Oh, talk about cars.
Like, yeah.
Lou, would you like to drive a few hours and talk about cars for a few hours?
Yep.
No problem.
You've changed our morning by nothing.
Yeah.
We just be talking about cars anyway.
We just sat right here just talking to nothing.
Yeah.
That's a great question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we've hated on electric cars.
That's it.
Even better.
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Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
It's going to look so weird.
I can't wait to watch this back.
I'm going to do it now.
You can't wait for that Louie wasn't tall enough for the camera.
You've got a little bit of a Doctor Evil vibe going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Freaking me.
I am mini-me.
I didn't think we would just grow up.
The joke is always, you're always slumped in the seat like this because the seats
we have in the studio, you can't touch the floor plop.
And now you're like, yeah.
Yeah, I have to, when I'm on the sofa, I sit like that because I'm, one,
because it's just awkward, but two, I also don't want the embarrassment of sitting
like this.
Yeah.
So there you go.
It wasn't a setup, I promise.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
I chose to sit here.
I could have done something about it, but I didn't.
About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds as hosts Ed and Will from Top Dead Center share their experiences in automotive content creation, touching on the challenges of selling cars, the evolution of car culture, and the impact of electric vehicles. They reflect on the nostalgia of classic cars versus modern offerings, debate the merits of various automotive brands, and share personal anecdotes about their favorite builds. The episode also dives into the dynamics of their YouTube channel and the importance of staying true to their passion while navigating the pressures of audience expectations.
In this episode of Talkin' Shop, we sit down with Edwin and Will of Top Dead Center (TDC), where they talk all things cars, content and chaos! From buying a fire-damaged Porsche 911 straight from a scrapyard to having their humble FTO auctioned up to a ridiculous £150 million on eBay, the lads share the highs, lows, and laugh-out-loud moments of building a YouTube channel around their passion for cars.
They open up about what success really means, recently getting to drive their dream cars, and why YouTube can be both brutal and rewarding. Plus, we get the inside story on how Will and Edwin first met and built the bond that fuels TDC today.
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