Top Dead Center on The REALITY of Car Build Content + £150M Auction Madness!

But there is a very finite amount of you who are idiots.

We put a car up for sale, and then on eBay,

we put a car up for sale on eBay.

DriveTrib did it, it worked perfectly.

Our FTO got bid up to 150 million pounds in one minute.

Which would have been great.

In 45 minutes, and you can't undo it.

We then try listing stuff on Facebook,

you get Jokers, they're like,

I'll give you a Mars bar on a PS3.

Okay, fine, that's kind of funny.

But then we've had people go, yeah, no, actually,

I want it, and then they'll just deliberately not turn up.

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Talking Shot.

Today we're at TDC with Ed Winn and Will.

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We're here in the workshop.

Thank you for having us down.

It's weird doing a podcast in the same place we do it,

but it's not ours.

You've not got the editing tomorrow about us.

Our podcast has been bought out by Talking Shot.

How long have you been doing it?

The podcast has been now...

Oh, it must be almost a year.

So that would say about six weeks.

We've missed a couple, so we must be around about a year by now.

You find doing the content creation already before

is like how to start the...

Does it feel natural doing that?

Yeah, to be fair, part of the reason why we decided to do it

is simply because we talk so much shit.

Is that, yeah, we were like, we might as well,

people will probably like this,

because nine times out of 10, if you walk into this unit,

we're arguing, we're bullying Ben.

We're collecting the toy cars, they can't afford.

That's kind of how it goes.

Sounds good.

Yeah, there's a lot of that.

Also, we now have to, when we have a normal conversation going,

I save it for the podcast.

You can't talk normally, so we just in silence.

Just nervous in the corner.

Sometimes we do that pre-podcast.

We've had really good conversations.

I would have like a 45-minute hour conversation.

We're like, now do that again.

Yeah, I watched my line again.

It's so annoying with it all the time.

But no, thank you for having us there, guys.

I tell you what, we'll start with a bit of an opener.

Sometimes we've been sort of forgetting to do it as an opener.

It was a good like brain exercise for it to get you started.

What does success mean to you guys?

Personally or together, you can answer it however you like.

I was almost sarcasticly going to say lots of cars.

I was going to say lots of cars.

I think personally that is probably, that's my goal,

is all I care about in life is having the cars that I want.

But I think for TDC, we're actually quite analytical

and we do like nothing is ever enough to be fair.

We've got a video that's just done two minute views now

that's ticked over, I want three.

And then it gets to three, I want four.

And that will never stop to be either the success.

Success is doing the same thing.

Yeah, that will never stop to be the success.

Success is doing well, but yeah, I don't know what it is.

I think that's probably part of us.

I'm not competitive, but when it comes to YouTube,

I'm like, I just want more.

It could be better.

It could always be better.

You have to have that though.

Yeah, yeah.

Because with YouTube as well, it can be very difficult.

So you have to have that tenacity with it.

Yeah, to keep on going.

Yeah, because there's so many elements to it that

if you're not going like 100% on every single aspect of it,

you are gonna lack in some ways.

I think also it's the freedom of it as well.

If you don't have freedom to do either of the things

you want to do, especially for us making content,

if we didn't want to do what we were doing,

it wouldn't be good content.

That's why I think it's kind of worked as well

as it has so far.

Yeah.

And also it kind of relates back

to that personal thing of wanting more cars.

Like when TDC started,

even though we had a healthy budget for a YouTube channel,

we couldn't go out and buy a Jaguar XFR

and modify it.

And we had to start on something cheap.

And the more views we get

and the more success we get, we can buy a better car.

It's like a game.

It's like need for speed.

It's like the more work you put into it,

you might be able to get that next car.

We do street races at night.

Yeah.

Has the pinch yourself moment sort of already happened

or are you getting there?

You know, because I mean the last video

is one of the last videos,

sorry, recently they did obviously with the Hellcat

and that was, you know.

To be fair, I actually, I've said this a few times,

maybe not on camera,

but for me it's been basically since day one of TDC.

I've, at car throttle, I felt, I was like,

wow, I'm incredibly lucky to be able to get to do this,

but to do it with no borders, no limits

and just go, just make what you want.

Literally from day one,

even when we bought the Zafira and the Crossfire,

I was like, this is ridiculous.

We have a budget to go and buy a car

and do something.

It's top gear.

Everyone who's watched top gear wants to live top gear.

But yeah, recently we've got to drive,

TDC's changed over the last five years.

We've gone from real shit heaps

to driving a Lamborghini Murcielago,

a Lamborghini Gallardo and a Ferrari 550 Maranello

and that's been quite nice.

It's been quite fun.

It's insane that obviously the channel's kind of built

on build stuff and we know that

and that's what we're going to continue to do,

like relatable build stuff,

but through the success of the channel,

we've been able to go and do the things

that we've always wanted to do.

We have a video coming out today.

I'll see this podcast will come out at later date,

so that'll be out.

But this evening video goes out

where we drive our dream cars,

which is what Edwin just mentioned,

a Gallardo and a 550.

And just on that day, I'm like,

this isn't my car,

but still I'm,

someone's just let me drive this on the road

and I'm filming it for,

it's not, it's not, it is a job,

but it doesn't feel like a job.

That's the most,

it's important to remember when we do this stuff

that we never,

it gets stressful and it's frustrating,

but then you go,

we're making car videos on the internet.

It's not that serious.

If you enjoy what you do,

you've never got to work in a day.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so yeah.

Well done.

No one, you haven't got a Gallardo on order, have you?

Because there was one conveniently

on my way up this morning on the M5.

Oh, I mean, unless you've found one this weekend,

I'm not sure.

I was trying to,

I was like instant car checking it going.

I'm just trying to find out more about this car.

Oh no, William's trying to,

just pulling behind it

and following where he cut this.

The reg plate was like OK Lambo with a four

and it didn't work on instant car checking,

I'm thinking,

that would have been a very expensive number plate.

Is that a legal number plate?

And then I was just trying every, like,

is it a one?

Was it a one or was it like a U

where someone's put a clever little,

you know, the bolting and just painting it black

and it still wouldn't work?

I mean, a legal number plate must be one of ours.

Yeah.

There you go, there you go.

So obviously the channel's doing amazing.

You guys are absolutely killing it.

What do you think like your secret to success is?

Because so many people do what you do now,

like automotive journalism is like,

shit hot, everybody wants to do it.

Yeah, I think, well, a part of it is what I just mentioned,

which is that we actually want to do it

and that we're not thinking of it

from a perspective of right, we're going to start YouTube

and that's what's going to make us a load of money.

It's more of a we do YouTube,

which means we can do car stuff every day.

And then the byproduct of that,

if it's successful, which has been thus far,

is that it will be profitable

and which means we can keep doing it.

So I think that is a key part of it

is that I think there are, not everyone,

there's plenty of people who will be listening to this

and go, well, I am passionate about it,

but it's not working.

But it's obviously not,

you just need to keep at it basically

and try and stay like true to what you want to do.

Because a lot of YouTube, and this isn't just cars,

is people guilty of looking at other content

and going, right, that worked, I'll do that.

But they don't want to do that.

It's like, even if you,

we always talk about Matt Armstrong

because he is the biggest in at least like UK anyway.

But he wasn't successful for a long, long time.

But he just kept doing it.

He didn't, when he was doing crashed cars years ago,

but other people were doing super cars,

other people were doing track stuff, whatever.

He didn't go, I need to do that.

He kept doing crashed cars on his driveway,

buying the cars he wanted to buy.

And it's now worked out for him.

So I think that it's not as much a secret,

but it's if you do it and you're passionate about it,

audiences understand that.

So.

The other thing as well is that we're very lucky

that we had six or seven years of working on the sidelines.

We both worked for car for all behind the scenes

and we got to watch without having to do it ourselves,

what made a successful channel

and what went into a successful channel,

like the editing that went into it,

the planning, all that sort of stuff.

So when we started on it,

and also you like, we both kind of warmed up.

You overdrive me on the beginning of car for all.

We're on the bench.

Yeah, we kind of had a head start in knowing,

right, I know day one, we need to plan out 20 videos.

We need to then now start putting feelers out

to make that work.

We need to know that we have to post once a week

in this beginning stage to get people going

and keep with us.

So we are very lucky in that regard that we knew,

not knew, but you know,

had an inkling of what would do better than other things.

And that's what lots of people don't get.

That's them at Armstrong moment

of taking a year of working out,

oh, I post every other week and people like that.

Oh, they like this thumbnail over this.

So it takes time, but yeah,

we've got very lucky in that aspect.

Yeah.

You guys have a like a really good chemistry on,

cause you know each other a long, long time.

Yeah.

So that the chemistry works like this good banter.

Oh yeah.

And it's weird as well.

I was watching the Corvette and the Hellcat video

and the reaction that you guys had,

we had one similar in a,

Ben used to have a Lotus Amira like,

and we went in a tunnel and it was clearly

not a standard exhaust.

Something that was like this,

it was almost like the sound was incredible,

but like I wondered if would the viewers

have found that video as good

or that segment of the video

if your reaction wasn't at like,

you know, kid in a sweet shot.

Yeah.

Total shock.

Yeah.

I think that that is,

that is something that top gear brought us

as in the new top of the top gear from the 2000s.

Before that cars were stuffy.

To review a car,

you could talk about the turn in and a hand leg,

but realistically people that enjoy cars,

that's not what they're about.

They like the way it makes you feel.

Cars make you feel things as wanky as it sounds,

but they do.

They make a noise and you go,

oh, that's cool noise.

And I think that's something up until my last breath,

if a car goes past and I'm on my death bed,

I'll go, what was that?

Yeah.

It's just how it's hardwired into us.

Yeah.

It's just a shame now you get these cars

and they don't.

Don't say the word.

No, no, no.

I actually wasn't.

I was actually going to say how then they just sound

like hooves now like,

you know 10, 15 years ago,

that car, if it is a car that's still sort of like

in production,

you know that car,

previous generations sounded like,

you know, godly.

And now they just sound like a,

yeah.

Yeah.

It's a must for me.

Yeah.

So many OPFs and cats.

Yeah.

Before that actual exhaust pipe,

you've got so much gear.

Yeah.

There's no wonder they even petrol sound like,

or the variants of the cars now.

Yeah.

Having said that though,

if every car sound like a V12, maybe.

Maybe we go.

I don't say when we get bored of it,

but yeah.

That's the best thing that like we,

if you're, let's say you're a Schmi

or you're someone who just likes super cars,

that's what gets you going.

But for us, I could see a 106 GTI

and it doesn't have to just be the noise.

It could be,

oh, it's got the original stripes up the side.

That's rare.

That's cool.

Yeah.

It does different things for different people.

It doesn't just have to be the noise.

Yeah.

That for me is the beauty of cars

in general, but mainly like older cars

is they have character to them.

That's the, yeah.

Well, the 80s hot hatch video

pretty much backs that up.

Yeah.

The turbo flutter and the old school noises.

You just don't, you don't get now.

Yeah, exactly.

It's that character of something

that weighs less than a tonne,

has more or less, or they're about 200 brake,

makes all the noises you want to hear.

Yeah.

And that makes you feel good

as a petrolhead, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

And also we get a lot of, on those videos

and there's a fear I was like this as well,

where even if people haven't owned those cars,

they go, like my mum had as a fear.

Yeah.

Or my nan had a Corsa of the same year.

Nothing like that one.

Yeah.

They go, but that's cool.

This one's got 300 horsepower

and Wilfins in fifth gear.

Yeah.

So people will like that.

It's attainable cars that people can want to buy,

want to purchase rather than the super cars

which are just, just unattainable to them.

Yeah.

Unless you're at Armstrong.

Yeah.

He's going to have like a Jay Leno fleet soon.

Yeah.

It's just getting ridiculous now.

But to be fair, the thing I do think about it

is that, I mean, even we scoff sometimes,

we're like, could leave some views for the rest of us, man.

But realistically, every car he buys,

he puts the work into.

Yeah.

Like it would be amazing to look at your garage

and go, I built, I've rebuilt every single one of those.

Jay Leno or someone, nothing against him.

But he's just bought it.

Yeah.

He buys it and goes, cool, that's not a car in the collection.

Whereas it's cool to be able to go, yeah, we did that.

Yeah.

I made that.

Cool.

We've had many instances to do with my Armstrong

where we'll talk to a stranger or something

and we had it recently.

There's like a coffee stand down the road.

A really independent one that was quite silly.

But he was like, what do you do?

I mean, so we do a car YouTube channel

and he's like, you have no idea who we were,

which is normal, obviously.

And he went, oh, I've been watching that.

I'm a strong guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That guy's great.

I've done so many good videos.

We're like, yeah, yeah.

And I had the same thing.

My McGann broke down on the way to a shed fest,

to a show.

And obviously, I was pretty annoyed

because I was late at this point.

And then I got picked up by the recovery driver

and he was talking about,

I can't remember what he was.

He was talking about cars.

And again, yeah, no idea what TTC was.

He's like, I love that, no, I'm a strong guy.

I'm a strong guy.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love him.

I've got my broken car in the back of a lorry.

Other than repairing things like an SVJ

and an outrageous Rolls Royce about,

what, for you guys,

what's the one thing he does very well

with his YouTube?

I think it's giving it, it's giving anything a go.

And that is what it's,

we've always said it a few times

and we try to sort of do a similar thing is where

you have to do what no one else would even think of doing.

Well, most of the audience are gonna go,

I'd love to do that.

Or I wish I could do that.

I wish I had the time or the money or the know-how,

but Matt is doing it.

And other YouTubers as well are doing it going,

right, I have a broken SVJ.

Anyone with a brain is gonna get rid of it.

They're gonna sell it or sell it for parts

or have someone else fix it if they had the money.

But he says, I'm gonna do it.

And I'm gonna do it with my mates,

with my dad, with other people.

So that's the, like the Ferrari engine.

That was one of the first times I was like,

it was the 430 he gave to his dad.

He took a Ferrari engine and rebuilt it.

Yeah, like that.

You want to dream of it.

And there's not many people

that either don't have a proper mechanical background

and even a mechanical background in like Ferraris,

that would then attempt that, but he did it.

So I think that's the element where people go,

do you know what?

Fair play.

Yeah.

He's a normal guy trying that.

It was pretty much first hit as well.

Yeah, it was very first.

You know, go, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Put it together and I thought, no, that doesn't work.

Yeah.

He's also very good at walking the line

in between being really nerdy and being really accessible.

That is, that's, I think his, his like beauty in YouTube

is that he will go, he's a quite complicated thing

that if I was to, I'm nerdy enough

that I would start going into too much detail

and the layman would be completely confused by it.

Whereas he's good at bringing it down to a level

where I know what he's trying to say.

I get it.

I already know the concept.

That's a nice summary.

Someone who has no idea goes,

okay, that makes sense to me now.

I see what we're doing.

We're working on this thing.

It's quite easy on YouTube to go.

So anyway, I've just done this

and people are like, I've got no idea what that is.

Yeah.

How we're talking about.

Yeah, exactly.

I would love to know, he's obviously got,

he's very good at it now.

I would love to know how many hours he spends

then doing his voiceovers.

Because you can imagine how many voiceovers he does.

He goes, no one's going to have a clue

when I'm talking about that.

Can communication open circuit, whatever.

Like everybody's going to think,

what am I talking about?

So you can imagine just how many hours

he does behind the scenes,

having to dumb it down.

Yeah.

That's the other thing I'll give him as well

is that he does his edits.

Exactly.

We don't.

We probably could.

And it might be like a little bit better,

but that's, I think, a big percentage.

Shade on Ben.

Yeah.

A big percentage of his success is that,

like the process is him.

Yeah.

Start to finish.

So when he gets video and edit it,

he understands the process

because he knows what he's done.

Yeah.

He's just rebuilt the event store.

So it's best that he does it.

Yeah.

And that is again, something that like we don't do

and it's what most YouTubers won't do,

the general process is I'm a YouTuber,

I need an editor and a videographer

and whatever else.

So that, like to be doing that at his level is.

Oh yeah.

I still know today.

I like the Borigo edit

every time you guys do it.

Yeah.

That does get me to do it, I like that.

Mainly stolen from Cletus Buckvarland,

which he also edits his videos.

I think that's part of the reason

he's very successful as well.

Maybe we need to get rid of him.

Yeah.

Ben, mate.

Sorry, mate.

We'll just send this to the podcast right now.

We'll walk in and I'll like,

no, you're not needed to know.

There's a trend of like people editing memes

into like long videos now as well,

which are quite funny as well.

Yeah.

I think that was always like at Carthroal,

that was always deliberately kept out of it

because it was supposed to be professional.

It was not seen as correct.

But if it's part of your personality

and you want, you have a joke at anyway,

stick it in there.

Cause that's why people are watching videos

is for the person.

They want to feel like connected to the person.

So if you put your jokes in the stuff you find funny,

people will like it.

Yeah.

You know, as long as you're not spamming a soundboard

every two seconds, I think it's fine.

Yeah.

What's your favorite video you've done so far?

There's a lot.

I go back and I watched the off-roading series,

which didn't do very well for us,

but it was, that was one of the most like,

kind of pinch myself moments

is that we bought two 500 pound cars

and took them and we played hide and seek.

Sorry, we played tag with them on an off-road arena.

That's just dumb.

No one does that.

Like who's doing that?

It was just a fun day and the video came out well.

It didn't do well, but I still don't care.

Yeah.

That was great.

We did a micro car, we bought the micro car,

which is still one of the funniest cars that we have.

That was, I always watched that video

and think that was great.

We also did a race through London.

That is so good.

With the guys from all the gear.

I watched that last night.

And again, that was one, it just didn't quite hit the,

it was different to build content

and more enthusiast content.

So maybe that's why, but we watched that video

and go, this is a good video.

It's funny.

Yeah.

Why are you not watching this?

This is a good video.

Yeah, exactly.

They do say sometimes, the videos you put that you're all into,

sometimes don't do as well as the ones

that sometimes you're filming and go,

yeah, you're not doing really well.

American Cars video.

I mean, I'm not saying we didn't put any effort into it

because we do a lot of writing and scripting and planning,

but that took us less than a day to film that video.

And it went out and actually in fairness,

it didn't do very well when we started,

but we like played around with the thumbnail and the title

and sort of how it was packaged.

And then it, it's a two million of your video.

It looked like, we just drove some cars around

for the day.

We've spent weeks on videos and they do half that

or not even half that.

So yeah, YouTube's like that sometimes.

But you nailed in that video for me, you nailed that.

You know, they were talking about that top gear element

of comedy.

Yeah.

You know, it's a good watch.

It's interesting.

It's informative and it's a seven liter C6.

Yeah, exactly.

What, 6.2 liter ridiculous, which I love, by the way.

The noise on those.

I did have to scroll back a few times every time.

I think you, I think actually, I think there was only one

or two shots that you got of like you accelerating

in the exhaust, like the exhaust noise.

I think you used it a couple of times.

I think I must have like claimed that five or six.

Your spike over.

Yeah.

It's just me.

Yeah.

Most replayed.

Yeah.

Just me.

Well, you talk a little bit about,

obviously the dynamic you two have got together.

I mean, how did you meet originally then?

So you've been mates for about 10 years or whatever,

but how, how did that happen?

It was from car throttle, basically,

is that everyone was actually already there?

Yeah.

It's really weird because obviously I joined as an intern

there 2016, everyone was already there in sales,

I think you were at the time.

And actually, we didn't really talk too much at the time.

I was quite quiet.

I knew I wasn't qualified to be there.

So I just did work, but then it was,

I got offered a permanent job

and then you got made redundant.

Well, yeah.

You started then like four days later,

I got made redundant.

That's great.

And then while I was made redundant,

I said, I'd said to Adam, the CEO,

if you need any help in the interim,

like finishing articles or doing anything,

I'll do it for like basically nothing.

Cause I'm quite free at the moment.

And he was like, yeah, sure.

And so after two or three weeks of that,

he said, I think I can hire you back,

but it will be on social media

cause I'd be making memes and stuff for them

as well to post.

And then, yeah, we'll know we're on the same team.

And yeah, it was, I mean, to be fair,

we didn't talk,

well, we talked a little bit at the beginning,

but it was more so they would say,

there are free tickets to this car show

if you go and cover it.

And both Will and I just wanted to go to car,

like go and look at cars.

We didn't get, we didn't even get,

I was thinking about this.

We didn't get reimbursed fuel.

No, no, we just paid around fuel, yeah.

We just get a free five pound ticket.

I was like, yeah.

I could have gone and paid back,

but in exchange, we did a day's work,

paid for the fuel to get there

and then edited the content and put it up.

Oh, great.

Yeah, that's a nice deal.

It was like, it's a great deal.

Free car show.

Yeah, exactly.

So it was probably through doing that.

It was most weekends,

we'd go and do something

or we'd go and look at a car for sale or something.

That was the first thing it was that you,

it almost felt like that was when the bond started.

It was like, you came to me and said,

there's a car for sale.

Yeah.

I was like, well, I'll go with you.

After that, it's like, okay, now it's done.

No, we're done for.

Yeah, there's a car for sale.

That's definitely it.

No, just need a bit of motivation

to go and look at it, don't you?

Yeah.

And there you go.

Josh, hello.

I was just trying to,

because I feel like I'm on a boost to see here,

which to be fair, it is.

Yeah.

Oh no, this is not right.

Actually, you tell me you'd like to talk,

because there you go.

That's me set up.

I just can't fix the floor.

That's brilliant.

So sorry, I was trying to fiddle

to like drop down a little bit.

Oh, there is.

This could be one.

That might be the one that's broken,

but it might be as with many things in this year.

Watch and go to the floor.

Yes, no, I won't.

I'll try it.

I might fall, I might fall back.

Of course, the camera wants to see it, do it.

How long is the channel room for now then?

Must be getting on for February 24th.

Yeah, so I was going to say coming up two years,

that's five months away.

Yeah.

More than that.

A year and a half.

But yeah, 18 months or so.

Yeah, yeah.

It feels longer.

It does.

Yeah.

What made you actually sort of,

I guess you had reasons why to sort of move on,

but what made you actually go,

you know what, let's do this.

Let's put this into action.

Let's make our own channel

and let's run with it.

Yeah, to be fair, it was kind of the timing

of there was many things that happened.

So I got made redundant from overdrive at the time

and that was October last year.

So I was at the time thinking,

well, what do I do now?

Like, you know, do I go on my own and do this?

Do I do something completely different?

There was so many thoughts going on.

Then you weren't obviously particularly happy

in the job at the time.

And we used to talk most evenings,

actually on Warzone, to be fair.

Yeah.

Warzone is actually,

Love it again.

The TDC exists.

Love it.

That's a fact.

Love it, love it.

That's a dangerous game.

From playing that obviously in 2020

and then you go on and go,

oh, today was rubbish.

And then I would do the same.

And then obviously I got made redundant.

And then after a while we're like,

well, we could just do this.

And then obviously there's lots of other things happen.

Then Alex came along and said,

Alex, actually wanted to buy overdrive.

Yeah.

So I got a call one day from Alex

and it was just, it was so strange

because at that time I was like, right, I'm done for.

I don't know what I'm doing.

I've got, there was nothing on the horizon.

I don't know what's going on.

And Alex called me with Rory and said,

what's going on with overdrive?

And I was like, I've been made redundant.

I want you to know, and he said,

now I might be interested in buying it.

I was like, okay.

And I genuinely thought he just wanted,

he wanted no involvement for me.

He was just going to call me as a,

I was his contact, if you know what I mean.

And then he said, I'd be interested in buying it.

If you put me in contact with the owner, with Scott.

And he's like, would you, would you stay on?

I was like, yeah, of course.

But I genuinely thought,

I thought he just wanted the channel for,

for whatever he wanted it for.

And then he said to me on the phone,

I remember this, because it was in my old house,

so I was just sat at my desk and he went,

if you were to like choose anyone,

like to do the channel with, who would you do it with?

Because a second person's always better.

And they knew.

They knew exactly how I was going to say.

And I think of, I went through a couple of people

as to like just sort of, I was flagging a bit.

I was like, well, Edwin would be a good one.

Like I did great to do it with Edwin.

And then it kind of went from there.

It was months afterwards.

But yeah.

And I had, so I started at Carthrop in 2016, 2015,

and I had left my university degree

that I was about to start for it.

Cause I'd been a fan since 2013.

I think I subscribed to them within their first five videos.

And I was on their website every day.

I loved the, I loved it.

And I'd basically stuck through the whole thing.

They got sold once to a big company,

which didn't go well.

It was a shit show.

And I kind of stuck it through.

And then it got sold again to another media company,

which was even worse.

And again, I stuck it through because I,

mainly I loved the channel, but more than that,

I loved working with like Jackie and Ben.

I couldn't really imagine leaving, just leaving

and leaving it, you know, for them to,

to carry on.

So you've sort of known for a good amount of time now.

Exactly.

Like it was that, I worked, Carthrop,

I worked there from when I was 17.

So it was my only, I'd only ever known that

if that makes sense.

And funnily enough, right around the time

that this was going on,

like Alex had started looking around Overdrive,

I got contacted by Drive Tribe.

And they said, we're looking for a presenter

for their second channel.

I believe it was.

Would you do a screen test?

And I remember thinking like,

if you had gotten in contact with me any other time,

like at any point in Carthrop,

I would have told you Flykite

because I couldn't care less.

Carthrop was my thing,

but it had got so rough at Carthrop.

I was like, I would actually consider doing that,

which immediately made me think,

all right, well, things aren't good here.

If I love it this much and it's one,

I'm starting to look elsewhere,

things aren't great.

And then the moment Will said,

Alex has floated this idea, I was like, yeah, yeah, let's do it.

Well, then I've got five offers.

Say apologies, Drive Tribe.

But yeah, the moment I came off,

I was like, absolutely yes, let's do this.

I'm out.

Yeah, that was really weird

because we went to meet Alex at the old unit,

which is only like 10 minutes down the road from here.

And we'd both met up just for an evening.

And again, it just felt like it wasn't formal.

I was like, come and for dinner and we'll have a meeting

and we'll talk this.

It was just like, do you wanna make a YouTube channel?

Yeah.

But for me, it was even, it was really weird

because I had left Carthrop in 2020.

So a lot of the, I've obviously kept in contact

with pretty much everyone, but it was weird

because I was like, it was like first day back at school.

I was like, I've done a big summer holiday

and I've come back to the sort of people I know,

like Alex and Rory.

And obviously like actually I'd spoken to Edwin,

but not worked day to day for a couple of years.

So yeah, that was weird, but it just kind of felt right.

It all just kind of fell into place.

Like it just happened to all kind of work out,

which is, hey, fate, whatever you wanna call it.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I just could have took that phone call.

You just, you know, two weeks later,

I mean, you did that.

Yeah, I might have taken a job at DriveTribe

or something and it wouldn't have worked or, yeah.

And then it kind of fell through

with the deal with DriveTribe, with Overdrive anyway.

And Alex said, well, do you wanna just,

let's just not buy one, let's just,

I'll just kind of help you start up your own channel

and I'll help you bankroll it.

And we were like, sure, that sounds like a good deal to us.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, what a great opportunity really

to sort of roll with your content.

Exactly, yeah.

You have the security I suppose of, yeah, I'll tell you what,

yeah, this is being backed by a very

sort of ratable channel here.

That's wrong with it.

Yeah, the unit, they get quite tight quite quickly though.

We were one ramp between realistically

like six people working on cars.

The old unit, yeah, one ramp.

So it was a bit of a fight.

No parking or anything like that.

And we get moaned up by the other businesses going,

there's a fear of GSI in a parking space.

It's not mine.

I think Alex misunderstood how quickly we'd go,

so you've given us money to buy cars.

We're buying cars.

He'd walk in and be like, what's this car in my unit?

We'd be like, that's a new one.

We're buying another one tomorrow.

You can see he's like, oh, for God's sake.

What have I given birth to?

Yeah.

I'll say what we got.

I think the first car, correct me if I'm wrong,

was the Porsche, wasn't it?

Correct.

Yes, the 911.

Yeah, up on a car stack.

Yeah.

Just end of life.

Which funnily enough, came from car fall.

So we had gone to that exact scrapyard

to for a video that we came up with,

which was can we go to a scrapyard,

find a car and put it back on the road

in the same day?

Just one that was going to go for scrap.

And while we were walking around,

this 911 was up there.

And I think I actually say it in the car throttle video.

I had asked the guy who's taking us around.

He said, yeah, it's still going through insurance,

but it'll be for sale at some point.

I say to the camera,

should we buy the cheapest 911 in the UK?

That's just as a throwaway comment.

And then as we decided, right, let's start TDC.

Again, fortuitously, I got a call from that guy.

And he said, by the way, that 911 is ready, ready now.

Cause I'd asked the boss at car throttle before,

can we buy it?

He said, yeah, do a deal with them.

I got a deal mostly worked.

And then he pulled out the last second and said,

no, I'm not buying it.

So I'd already picked off the scrapyard.

I was like, I'm really sorry.

And then he just happened to call me back

at the beginning of TDC and say, do you want it?

It is here and it's cheap.

And we were like, why not?

Let's start with that.

To be honest, looking back on it, it was a pain.

Oh yeah, it was horrible.

To go in with that with no prior experience

working on 911s.

And also that was our first actual build.

But I think it was quite a bold statement

it wasn't, we didn't start with something so naff

that no one cared about it.

But it also wasn't so expensive

that it wasn't relatable.

It was like perfectly in the middle of something.

And everyone loves a 911, come on.

Straight in the deep end of that 911.

And even like we've seen from like other people

in the YouTube space, they go, that was a bold move.

Just part of the five damage 911.

The first time we looked at it, we were like,

oh my God, we saw that wiring loom frazzled.

Cause we did the deal without ever seeing inside of it.

It was so high up the rack.

So they said, if you want it, it is fine damage.

They had a, I think a photo from the outside

looking through the windscreen, but we were like, cool.

In the video where we opened the door

and we look inside it, that is legitimately

our first ever time looking at it.

We'd already bought it.

So that was genuine shock.

What's interesting is that obviously,

even after 18 months in hindsight,

we'd probably do it differently now.

Absolutely.

And so like we had electricians come in

and do the, that was one of the first times

on the channel, we had like outside help.

Cause we looked at the wiring and thought we could,

we could do this for a week

and it still might not work.

And then the content's not quite good enough

because wiring is quite boring.

So we had electricians do it.

And it's obviously still not perfect.

But in theory, we should probably

should have spent the time doing a new loom.

And then there's lots of other things we should have done.

But, you know, now we can use,

take that and do that on the builds we're doing now.

Yeah.

Because at the time, I suppose time was crucial.

So the time you did have, you wanted to spend

sort of making sure the content was right

rather than necessarily stripping everything out,

putting it in yourself.

And we were, we were conscious at the time of,

and this is especially relevant to YouTube now

is that people expect a lot instantly.

And they want lots to happen in the video.

We didn't want to get,

and actually our first few videos we've said this week,

we're not that happy with how we did it

because we spread a lot.

We spent not a lot of content

over like two or three videos.

And it wasn't to like the fourth or fifth video

we sort of said like, so this,

let's just do it how we want to do it.

It is going to be harder.

There are going to be times where there's a week,

two weeks spent on like a video that was 25 minutes long.

But I think people will prefer this.

We can't just go do a video that says,

we've bought a 9-11 and then you talk about it

for 20 minutes and then everyone goes,

well, hang on, you just bought a car

and talked about it in this video.

And then we want to see something happen.

You start it, try to start it,

diagnose something.

So that's something we've taken since then

all through the channel, especially on the build stuff

is that people expect, you know,

I'd say value for money because they're not paying

for anything.

Pay off, they want it either to start at the end

or there'd be some big thing that happens where you go,

cool, that was a nice end to the video.

If you get to the end of the video and you're left like,

oh, I wanted more, they might not come back next week.

I'm going to say something really outlandish

and it might upset a lot of people.

I can't watch Tavaresha's videos anymore

because it is so much talking

and it has gone very, especially like the P1 project.

You're looking at me like, what are you saying?

Yeah.

I don't know why I just.

I do find myself, I can watch them every week,

every time they come out,

which seems to be longer and longer now

probably because he's buying P1s

and ridiculous cars and whatever.

I do find myself like skipping through right to the end.

Like, is there a start here?

Yeah, did it start?

Yeah.

I can imagine how stressful it is

because we've done it before that our new project car

is it's very tricky to buy a project car and reveal it

and then go, right, we need to get to work on it.

And then you find something that's like rust repair

which needs two months worth of welding done.

By the time that car comes back,

it's out of everyone's minds.

So there's a balance that everyone,

especially like Tavaresha has to do where

he needs to keep it in people's minds enough

but there's also things that take time to arrive.

I can imagine the carbon body panels he needed.

They're not gonna turn up in a week.

They're not, you know, in stock anywhere.

So you have to fill in the gaps with stuff.

So I can imagine that's why stuff gets stretched out

a little bit.

But of course, people are gonna be frustrated

because they're like, I wanna see it done.

I can do it.

But it's so easy to do the car when it,

like even the Jag, we wanted the Jag done in a week

but we're like, there's no engines.

There's no timing chains.

There's nothing. You can't do it.

Let's buy a car.

And then you get it done and people go,

right, next car, next car, do it all again.

I think that's where the whole 24 hour challenge

things come from.

You think there's people, YouTube is like Matt.

You guys have realized that there's the people

that love these projects that we're working on

and there's like, it's a series on one car

and then there's the guys who wanna see an AMG

finished in 24 hours and on the road and being driven.

Yeah.

Well, I think it just adds an element.

And it adds an element to it that it's a,

it's against the clock.

You only have certain amount of time.

So it immediately makes you go, oh, will they do it?

Will they finish it in time?

And I don't know, it's something that we,

because we did it with the MX-5,

we literally said, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

A lot of them you watch and it,

they always just get it done in the last 30 seconds

and it just happens to work

and it feels a little bit cheesy.

Yeah.

Whereas we're like, if we don't finish it, we don't.

Oh well.

Yeah.

And people tend seem to like that.

They're like, oh, it didn't, you didn't finish it,

but it's still good.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's weird what people want out of YouTube today.

Yeah.

How much of an obsession do you guys sort of like,

it's like an obsession, but it's almost like,

you know, it sort of like grinds on you

with the content and succession.

Like, do you ever get worried or sleepless nights

thinking, oh God, you know, what if this doesn't work?

Yeah.

I thought you might say it.

Like we've just had a period recently

that was really, really strong.

And then we've kind of come into a not as strong period.

The normal.

And you go, oh, if that's it.

What if we never have a video that performance again?

Yeah.

And we're obviously, I think we're both confident enough

that we know what to do to sort of rectify that.

And obviously at the same time as we know what works,

we're also learning as well.

So that's why we're trying other videos

and going, what if this works?

Like a year ago, we weren't doing videos

like that American car video.

But that's our most successful video by a long shot.

Isn't that mad as well?

Yeah.

And that's not what the channel's built on,

but it's still what the audience watches.

And it's also new audience as well.

That's what's key to us is that,

that's the hardest bit about YouTube

is you need to cater to the people that are there.

But then there's a lot of other people out there

that you need to keep like growing the channel.

While just keeping the current ones happy at the same time.

Yeah.

And if you keep the new ones happy

and the old ones go, hang on,

I don't want this.

Yeah.

And they can be savage as well.

There's obviously lots of content creators over the years

who've changed for whatever reason out of choice

or whatever and their content has changed.

And oh my God, people can be really savage.

Yeah.

Luckily, it's like, we talk about it quite often.

We're lucky that we started on social media.

We started on Facebook.

And Facebook, I mean, we were there from 2015 to 2020.

You would, if there is a photo of your face

doing anything, you are getting ripped to shreds

in the comments for absolutely no reason.

We do informational videos

that were just like an interesting story about cars.

You'd get horrible things said to you on the daily.

And I actually think because of that,

I'm pretty much, you know,

you can't do much to hurt me on YouTube.

You're YouTube comments.

You're not Facebook.

Yeah.

You're not YouTube.

Don't worry about that.

That's, you know, there is constructive stuff

that is actually quite good.

Like we'll see it quite often.

Someone will say like,

I'm a long time watcher of the channel.

I preferred when you did this versus this.

We'll take note of that.

Yeah.

But the other thing we also talk about quite often,

especially to other creators,

is I use it like a restaurant analogy,

but the people commenting are a very tiny percentage

of the people that watch the video.

Like most people that watched the video enjoyed it and left.

If you have a good meal at a restaurant,

you don't go up to the chef and go,

mate, that was incredible.

If you have a really bad meal,

you might go, could you send this back?

Yeah.

No, it is good news.

Exactly.

The majority of people are happy and they carry on.

Even if you see a comment that has 300 likes

that says, this is the worst video you made,

you'll sit and stare at it and go,

it's the worst.

I said, what have I done wrong?

400,000 other people watched it and thought it was great.

Don't worry about it.

Just carry on.

People are always quick to complain,

but never to praise.

Exactly.

That's just the way life is.

I think it's funny with Facebook.

I like the older generations took it over

and it became more toxic.

Yeah.

It's kind of worked that out.

Facebook is like a waste.

It's the other side of the wall.

Yeah.

People are tearing each other's heads.

It's the social media waste.

I saw it on YouTube and it goes, he's fat.

I go, oh, great.

Yeah.

That's such a nice comment compared to Facebook.

Yeah.

Thank you so much.

It's the war zone.

It's the social media.

War zone of social media, isn't it?

Yeah.

Well, we're dropping in.

Going on a car roll.

Yeah.

The friendly fire is on.

Yeah.

Hardcore mode.

Do you have a big American audience?

Is this sort of like take on American cars?

Have you seen the 60s ones?

Yeah.

Is that?

There is a conscious effort, I think.

And that was kind of from the start anyway.

There's like two sides to that story

is that you need to stay true to what you're doing.

We are from the UK, so we can't fake being American.

But you can appeal to an American audience in some way.

We've obviously just been to Monterey Car Week

and we were surprised at how many people watched the content

and were like, I love the hot hatches.

I love this because they don't get that.

It's the same way as, like Top Gear was very popular.

Top Gear UK, the main three.

But they never panned it to a US audience.

They actually abused US audiences.

It's quite regular.

Most of the Americans are still going, I love this.

This is great because they're unashamedly like what they are.

So there's that side of it.

But also YouTube's not as different to TV.

So we have been doing a bit more American car stuff.

Also, we are interested in it.

I was less so until recently, but I'm coming around.

So like that video, we mentioned the two million view one.

Part of the reason that's performed so well

is usually I'd say we have like five to 10%

of our audiences, American, which is pretty good,

I think for where we are.

That video is like 60%.

Oh, wow.

So as soon as the American audience started growing,

the video started to...

Yeah, that's good.

There's also a lot of how like, I won't say hateful,

but like more negative comments on that video

because they're completely new people.

They're like, and the Americans going,

that's British guys abusing our cars.

They're not having that.

Some of them missed the point, but yeah.

The American audience isn't,

because obviously it's the size of it.

And I think I'm like someone like a Matt Armstrong

and whoever they must have a massive American audience

that we would like some of that.

Please.

Yeah, send them over.

Half and it's not, the American audience is more valuable.

They, we tend to see that they watch through more

and the revenue is higher.

And it's not from a greed perspective.

It's more from a sustainability perspective.

We talk about it quite often with people

that if you're a gaming YouTuber

or you're a makeup vlogger,

you just need to roll the camera

and buy 20 quid's worth of stuff

or you just play the game.

Whereas we need to go out and buy a Jag,

we need to rent a unit

and there's a lot of cost reflected in car YouTube.

And we also are supposedly, we've heard from advertisers,

one of the least valuable groups to advertise to

because we know it all.

Because someone goes, you should get, no,

talk about, I know better than you,

that's a car pass.

Some people are like that.

So it's a tough, a tough group to be in

or a niche to go for.

So it's quite valuable to have a larger American audience.

So yeah, it's a bit strange.

Yeah, I've never looked at that, but yeah, you're right.

You're right.

How do you sort of decide what is the next project?

What is the next five grand car challenge?

What, how do you sort of come up with that recipe?

We had a list that we've kind of,

we have a channel in Slack where we just throw ideas in.

So we run through that quite a lot,

but a lot of it is kind of what we want to do.

And there is a percentage of that is, will that work?

And we go, well, let's just try it.

Because like the off-roaders one,

we really thought that would work

and we enjoyed it, but it didn't work as well.

And then we went and did 90s hot hatches and thought,

90s hot hatches, that's niche.

You have to know to know about that.

And we didn't even buy like well-known ones.

We bought sort of left field options.

And that was one of our best series.

And then we did the sports car series,

which again is way more broad

and that was really popular as well.

So, but we try our best to just go,

that's what we want to do.

So we're going to do it.

It's rare that we'd go,

oh, we should buy that because that's what

the YouTube wants or whatever.

I think as long as we like it,

the audience will understand it.

Yeah.

The other thing is that luckily,

we are like, Will and I are tedious car boys.

There isn't really a car that you can stomp us on.

If you say X budget, this shape, this, this, this, this,

this, we'll each come up with five cars that we like.

So that's, I think we're quite lucky in that aspect.

But if someone goes, what if we do this for the next car?

We'll both go, oh, I've always wanted one of the,

one of the X and that fits into that category.

Let's try that.

Like the Jag was, you're like,

XFR I've always kind of want to try that.

I've always always wanted any 55.

There'll always be something that we're both passionate

like we both really want that falls into the category.

If it was, you know, pick up a, you know,

something weird that I don't like,

I'm not going to care.

I'm not going to build it how I want it.

No, you've got to be passionate about what you do.

The TBR Climera, I'd always wanted to put a turbo on one of those.

So there we go.

Now we can do it.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's like using the channel to,

to, to have those experiences is that I always think that

a lot of the cars we put on the channel,

had the channel not existed,

I probably never would have,

would never have done it.

Yeah.

Cause like, okay, right.

There is, we have, we now have the freedom that we're making

content with it.

So whatever happens, happens.

Like the turbo Corsa is something I have looked at for years.

You see how on Facebook and go, God, that's dodgy.

Yeah.

But I need that.

Cause I've seen a video of a guy flying down a B road.

Yeah.

I just, I'm like, I need that.

But when you're, if you want to have a better term,

but like a regular punter, you go,

I, that's a silly thing to buy.

I said, I don't want to be,

we can buy it because we're making videos about it.

When the money's in your pocket, you don't go and buy it.

Like you, you talked about buying the X220 personally,

multiple times and got scared from it.

Oh, it's too small or I need it in a garage and need this.

Whereas here we can, okay, we can just experience it for,

and obviously like we're not actually experiencing it

as an owner would over the course of a year,

year and a half using it every day.

But at the same time, we can, we've rattled through

so many cars that just would have taken years

to get to or you may never get to.

So that's almost the point of the channel almost,

is like, there's a load of,

there's a load of cars out there.

I just want to buy and experience and work on and modify

and that's what we're working through basically.

And unless like other than the Cadillac and the micro car,

we very rarely buy a car, but it's not something

we actually want.

If it's something like even the Cadillac

of the Niki Nong, I've thought I'm intro,

I'd love to see what it would be like to have one.

So there's still a bit of interest there,

but we'll never, I believe that we'll never buy

something that's just for the sake of buying for something.

It will always be because we're like, oh, cool.

I have to feel something to care.

Yeah.

I think that's why people like the channel so much

is just day to day, like normal people buying the cars

they've always wanted to buy,

not unattainable cars that will never get to touch.

So I think the relationship between you both as well,

doing that is just, I mean, yeah.

Two makes buying cars they really want.

I'm interested to see how tonight's video will do

the one of the 550 and the Glado,

because it's way out of our usual range.

And like we, I don't think in the next 20 years

I'd have enough cash in my pocket to go in

and buy one outright.

I could maybe finance one one day or a crashed one,

but I want to see how people react to that

because that is, I would love,

if I find a crash for 0550,

I will sell everything and sell my family.

And I'll make it work.

So I'm interested to see if people take to that

in the same way, or they consider it the same thing

as most supercar things where they're like,

oh, I don't care because I can't have it.

Yeah.

Or I don't want it.

Exactly.

Yes, I will.

That's YouTube.

You're going to be watching a video one day

of me working on a 550.

I'll tell you that for you.

Yeah.

It's going to happen.

Yeah.

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The American cars then,

the whole thing with Trump and his tariffs,

less European cars going into America,

maybe more American cars coming here.

What do you think the US have to do

to sell more cars, Eric?

Because competition is ridiculous.

Like, we're pretty good at cars.

I'd say flat-out build good cars

as they can't do.

Yeah.

No.

I get it from some of your videos.

Yeah, yeah, what you're seeing is.

The American cars are, they are,

they're cookie cutter, they're built to,

and they, they're built for mileage.

Yeah.

The Americans do miles.

It's the reason why you couldn't own an original mini

in America.

You'd hate it.

It would be terrible.

But because of that,

their interiors are so horrible.

They are such a bad place.

And the argument that we get in the comments is like,

have you ever sat in the Cadillac?

Yeah, brother, that's a $100,000 car.

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about the equivalent to the three series

that you go and lease for a couple hundred quid,

which everyone does in the UK.

If you can't compete with that,

or you can't compete with the Merck,

or you can't compete with even the Volkswagen,

you're dead in the water here.

Cause that's what people are looking for.

They're looking for in the UK at least,

not a status symbol,

but something that at least is like,

cool, a standard amount of, that's an okay car.

And especially the interiors of American cars,

they still do not have that.

It's just horrible.

Even the Hummer, that's a $90,000 car.

It's got canvas on the seat.

You get a rock done when you move your arm.

It's terrible.

It's not even like, I hate modern Peugeot's,

the series passion.

I don't think you're on your own there.

It's the ergonomics of the interior.

It's like just nothing makes sense.

It's just horrendous to use,

horrendous to look at, stinks of plastic.

I hate them.

But we went to LA and went into one of the higher,

you can hire cars over there for ridiculous money,

can't you?

It's so good.

But it was like you can have,

either have a Mustang or the Chevy Camara.

Is that the Camara?

It's the equivalent?

Yeah.

Oh my God, they're crap.

I mean, it wasn't the full SEM one anyway.

It was, you know, it was the like,

it was the full cylinder.

Yeah, made a good, pretty decent noise to be honest with you,

but the interior garbage, like just rubbish.

Like it feels like they're 20 years behind on it.

Exactly, absolutely.

But, you know, that's at the same time,

their reliability is pretty decent, you know, for some.

So I get that they build cars differently to us,

but I don't think they'd ever take over a market,

our market, which is so, especially the UK,

hell bent on having a status symbol,

if you want to call it that.

Everyone has BMW now.

It's not, it's not special to have a BMW,

but yet you don't want less than that.

That's the average English consumer.

Cadillac or something means something completely different

here as it does in the US.

It means you're a wrongon here.

Yeah.

What kind of drive?

Check your hard drive.

It's a bit old, bit stale.

Do we cast knobs then in the UK?

I think we 100%.

Absolutely, yeah.

I can't remember where I saw it,

but this isn't one of our thoughts.

It's someone much smarter,

but the number plate age thing is something

that no other country really has in the same way.

You literally have a number on your plate

that shows how new your car is.

I know, I know.

That is a huge thing.

Or you can spend a load of money

that makes you look very rich,

and then people will judge you on that.

Exactly, yeah.

Oh, it's forwarded.

That means you've got even more.

It's a weird dichotomy where a 25 plate is a thing.

Come get your 25 plate.

Come get your 26 plate.

That's, I've never heard that in America.

People talk about model year,

but it's the fact that it says it on your car.

You need to get the new one.

It's September 1st today,

so your 25 plates, they're old.

They're gone.

It's just dropped like 10 grand a year.

I just much love the UK for that though.

Oh yeah.

And the amount of people that just want to truck,

that's why we have the used car market

is relatively good

because people are willing to just chop stuff in

all the time for a different finance deal.

I've had it a bunch of times.

It's been talking to people like friends of mine

or relatives who aren't into cars

and that I want to buy a car.

And they have a budget.

And I will say, right, if you look at the,

Volkswagen is still a German brand.

If you look at the Volkswagen or the Ford

or, you know, in your budget,

you'll get a really good car,

but they go, no, I want the BMW or the Mercedes.

So that they will buy the Merc

that's got the most basic kit.

Yeah, no spec.

Cloth seats, manual.

Half a million miles.

You've probably got windy down there.

You've got absolutely nothing.

But because it's got Mercedes on it,

that's what they buy rather than go

and buying an equivalent other car

that has got absolutely everything

they could possibly want.

Which is, I always find that bizarre.

Yeah, ridiculous.

And I don't think they have that

quite the same in the US.

No, I heard something, actually,

similar thing someone else said it.

If you have to answer what car you've got

by the model rather than the brand,

you're judged on that.

For instance, okay, what car do you drive?

A Clio.

But it's a 182 Clio, it's a track car, it's amazing.

Or if you say, I'll drive a Porsche,

or a Mercedes.

You should have to say Porsche.

Yeah, that's the same Mercedes.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, so I've always thought that I thought,

yeah, actually, yeah, that's so true, isn't it?

Yeah, if you have to say, oh, I'll drive,

you know, a Clio 182 track car,

then, you know, it's not the wrong way.

I think you buy what you want to buy

because you're passionate about that car.

Yeah, yeah, because it's the new US

and it's the new expensive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Finally enough, I went and saw an old schoolmate.

It was like a housewarming path type thing.

And he was like, oh, I got a new car.

Do you want to have a look?

And I was like, I was into cars.

And I was like, yeah, sure.

Walked out with another couple of guys

and it was an A-Class.

It was a 180, so it has the Peugeot engine.

Renault engine.

The Renault engine, sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I wasn't going to say anything,

but everyone else was like, that's sick, mate.

And they say, what, this is not the same, this is it.

Yeah, man.

I'm not gonna shit on it.

He walked towards it and it's his and he's happy with it.

But I was like, but no, everyone else here just goes,

this thing, look, he's got a brand new seat.

It's milk.

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Like, that's funny how that it's just an optics thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Underneath and it's not on stage.

That's what makes me laugh about people putting like,

you know, they'll put an M badges on, you know,

or put, and I'll put four exhausts on something.

An M118R.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The people who know enough.

Exactly.

You're not falling because they know enough.

And the people who don't know,

don't even know what that means anyway.

They don't care.

So you're only doing it for yourself.

You're falling yourself.

It's quite funny, really.

It is an up-badging thing.

To be fair, we saw it at Feb,

you get it in the U.S. on, but in a different way.

You get a lot of Mustangs out there.

The amount of V6 Mustangs we saw.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'll even say like GT fight.

It's like, it's not, it's a V6, it's not.

Yeah, they must have a similar thing,

with different brands, I think.

What's the worst thing?

You know when you've got a car in

and you think, oh, I don't want to do that.

What's your worst job that you want to take on a car?

It is car dependent, you know.

But, we're moving the engine for a Jaguar, actually.

Yeah, that's cool.

You haven't done that.

There's times of that.

At least a couple of times you can get that done.

I hate, I hate electrics.

That's my thing.

I don't like wiring.

I'm not smart enough to understand

why the, why electricity goes in one way and not another.

I don't understand.

I'm an idiot.

What do you mean, earth and ground?

Yeah.

Give me a bolt that I can get wrong three times ago.

It's a 10 mil.

No, it's a 12 mil.

No, it's a, okay.

It's a 13 mil.

I finally got it.

It comes undone.

I put it back on.

Easy.

I don't need to, I can't look at graphs.

I can't look at relays.

I hate it.

Yeah, I will never understand electrics.

Someone says, oh, this is a,

if it was just this wire goes to that place.

I'm like, cool.

But they go, yeah, but in between that,

you've got a fuse and a relay.

And there's this other thing in there.

I'm like, why?

I, my brain can't compute why I need all those things.

Like I need just, I need power to things.

And that's it.

Connect the battery to the engine somehow.

At least we put a bolt on back to front.

It's like, okay.

Yeah, I can see what I've done.

At least with electrics, it can go very wrong very fast.

Yeah.

There's a mystery why something won't turn on

and it's deep in under the carpet.

Why is it under the carpet?

Yeah.

Why do I have to look under the carpet to find the wire?

Oh, and now there's fire.

Whoops.

Yeah.

I can't stand that bit.

One day I may be able to understand it,

but I don't think so.

No, I don't.

I think it's one of those things you either have

or you haven't got the patience for the electrics.

It's just a minefield.

We have an electrician friend who works at,

this is your garage near car thrall.

And all he kept, he just kept going.

He's like, think of electricity like water.

It just flows where it wants to.

I kept going, I know,

but why can't I find it right now?

That's not, I don't need Master Oogway

to be giving me inspirational quotes.

I didn't find this fuse.

Obviously you're going to prefer American cars

in America.

Yeah.

Yes.

It's a certain car to look at from America

and go, yeah, I actually prefer that to our equivalent.

I actually can't think of,

yeah, maybe some of the older stuff,

modern stuff, there isn't many

because lots of European stuff is so good.

Yeah.

I always think of the Mustang.

And when the Mustang came to the UK,

that I thought, I wondered how well that would do

because obviously part of the charm

of having a Mustang in the UK

is that you have a left-hand drive Mustang

and most people are always a little bit odd anyway.

But when you get a right-hand drive Mustang,

I was like, okay, but so that will define

how good an American car is.

It's being sold as a British, as a European car,

but it's a Mustang

and it's obviously been quite popular.

So I always think about like

if they were to sell a Hellcat here

or a Corvette, which I think they are,

I think they're trying to do.

And they made it right-hand drive

and they made it accessible

and the price was right, how well would it do?

But I just don't know.

Yeah, is it as cool now it's right-hand drive

that it's got all the EU legislation

and stuff, not really.

I think it's though, it's similar in reverse

because like those Jag XFRs are sold in America.

And in theory, a five-litre supercharged, big saloon,

which is their bread and butter,

they didn't take up because there's a conscious thought,

oh, Jag, I wouldn't want to deal with that in America.

It's the same thing in the UK.

It's not that it's not cool,

but I think part of the reason

why so many Mustangs and Corvettes get sold

is pride in America.

They go, that's an American car.

I want an American car.

I don't care.

I'm English.

Equally, they don't care about an English car in America,

whereas people here, the amount of XFRs,

go, oh, proper British car, I'll have that one.

That's true.

There's pride in the car that you,

from the country you're from.

I can't really think.

There are some things that they do

that we just don't have an equivalent thought for,

like, well, they don't sell it anymore,

but things like vipers and stuff.

I don't think we've ever,

and even to be fair, the Corvette,

we don't like price,

that the problem with the Corvette is,

as soon as it gets here, it's an expensive car.

Whereas in the US,

Corvette is actually attainable to most people,

whereas a Corvette here is then into super car territory.

And then it's like, well, would I have that?

Or would I have an RA?

Or would I have something like that?

I watched a, it was a real the other day.

It's one of those ones where they walk around the car

like a dealership and say, like,

how old are you?

What would you drive?

And it was, they went to the techs in the back who,

and it was, I think it was a local Honda dealership

and three of the techs

who were maybe 20, early 20s, Max,

call it late teens, early 20s,

said, I've got a Project C5 Corvette

and I've got a C8 Corvette on order.

I'm sorry.

If you went to a UK mechanic

who's just finished his apprenticeship,

he's not got a Corvette.

No, no, no, no.

Poland GTR.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, or he's got a PD with a remap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's not,

I know there's differences in wage over there,

but like, not enough to make having two Corvettes

at 25.

That was bonkers.

It's the problem of having your M140i

that you've worked towards and you financed

and that sort of stuff.

So yeah, they just have different,

I guess, like goals,

if that makes sense to you.

You're absolutely right when you say that

because we were over at,

I think yesterday called Salon Privé,

down sort of more Oxford way.

And we saw these Corvettes there

and I thought, what a cool car.

I thought, if it's American,

it won't be that sort of expensive though, will it?

So I thought, okay, I'd have a look last night.

And you're right.

They are literally asked in vantage money.

So why, unless you really liked that car,

why would you buy here a Corvette over a Vantage

or something similar?

Yeah, you're right.

And the problem now is that then,

now they're saying the cars are better,

which they are.

I mean, the C8 is a mid-engine,

like it's got a proper engine in there.

But now it's like, well, I don't want that though.

I want the American thing.

So they're a really weird part of the market.

Yeah, no you're right.

When we were driving around in Monterey,

like a C6 would go past people like, yeah.

And then you'd hear like Ferrari 488 noise

and you'd go, oh, and a C8 Corvette would come past

and all three of us would go, yeah.

No, it's not what you're supposed to do.

You're not supposed to be European.

You're supposed to be loud American

and with a low cam and making me go,

yeah, like secretly I like it.

You're not supposed to be like clean

and nice from well cut.

Yeah, no, that's it.

Anyway, give them a break.

There's Tesla's everywhere.

They've dominated.

Yeah, that's fair.

That is true.

Yeah, that's it.

What do you call it?

An NPC car.

NPC, yeah, a washing machine.

But to be fair, they've succeeded in doing that thing

which is becoming a status symbol.

Like, especially in America, I've heard that it's like

kids will be like, oh, I want a Tesla.

They don't even know the model.

They just want a Tesla

because it is a brand that is like luxurious.

YouTubers have them, movie stars have them.

It's a cool thing.

Yeah, I've had that multiple.

My girlfriends and nieces asked me,

they're like, are you gonna get a Tesla?

I have to explain to them like,

I couldn't think of anything worse than a Tesla.

But there's one that does not 60 in like this time.

This person does it.

I'm like, and it's got this screen in it,

but it's really hard to explain why it's just a dishwasher.

Exactly.

Unless they're old enough to experience the noise

that how it makes you feel.

Yeah, of course a Tesla's gonna sound good.

It does not to 60 in 30 seconds.

It does everything.

Great, but yeah.

I've like fully indoctrinated.

I don't know if that's the word really indoctrinated.

My miss is into it.

So now she'll be like, she'll go,

oh, I saw a Porsche today, but it's electric.

Yes.

Oh, I love you.

I love you, yeah.

Yeah, we're not the biggest.

Well, recently, yeah, the Hummer video

being least popular one that was...

I still love that Hummer.

I don't care what anyone else says.

Yeah, yeah.

If I could have one, I actually would.

I genuinely would.

I think it's cool.

If you, or if you like, if you were wealthy

and you had literally everything,

or if you're an American living on some ranch

with five million thousand acres,

it doesn't matter, does it?

Yeah.

You take those little roofs.

Yeah, you take the tops off.

Yeah, take them off and...

I define anyone who is like an electric car hater

to drive or even be a passenger of that car

and not go, this is cool.

It's cool.

I get it in a Tesla.

You do one pull in a Tesla and you go, that's quick.

And you do it again and it wears off a bit.

And again and again and again,

it wears off each time until you go,

yeah, there's nothing here other than speed.

Whereas that Hummer had enough character

to make me go, all right,

I'll pass the electric thing for now.

The charging was bullshit though.

The charging was.

The charging was ridiculous.

300 or so, yeah.

The battery must have been like twice the size of...

The battery is set, it's...

14 hundred kilos.

There is a ridiculous amount of battery in it.

I saw a stat the other day that it was like,

to charge a Hummer, I can't remember exactly what it was,

but to charge one of those Hummers like once

for a full range is like powering a whole house

for a few days.

That's crazy.

That's how much it needs just to move it.

America!

Yeah.

I'm the same.

I really liked that Hummer,

but I was thinking the other night I was like,

if it had a thousand horsepower and it had a V8 in it,

would I prefer it?

Yeah.

I thought it would make less sense

because even it's electric,

it didn't cost us that much to run it.

No.

Like filling it up cost $50,

which is what you'd pay in a regular car,

whereas that is,

if you had a thousand horsepower V8 in a three,

even it was a three ton car,

you're gonna be filling up 150, 200, whatever.

So it's like, it would be funnier with a V8.

Yeah.

I was in stitches.

I mean, we put it into those corners and stuff.

The noise of the tires was ridiculous.

That was genuinely something I will never forget.

That was a, the best thing was on the,

it was the, before the reason we did that bit

is that we were tracking the M5

and Ben was trying to film out the back of the Hummer

on the M5.

And I was like, it feels like it would go quite quick

on this one.

And I said to Ben,

I'm just gonna pick up the speed a little bit,

just see how it was.

I instantly lost the M5.

Ben's rolling around with the bootcooked.

We're not filming anything.

Please stop.

Brilliant.

Absolutely brilliant.

Oh, it was gold.

Oh, it was gold that was.

Yeah, great.

Those sorts of episodes are brilliant.

Absolutely brilliant.

Where you found like an outrageous car

and you're just trying to do daily things.

I love that type of content.

Yeah.

Do you think there'll be more and more people

tuning into likes of yourselves in the future then?

Because, I mean, new car design, new car,

the way they're going is not great.

Do you think people will continue to buy older cars

and wanna do what you're essentially doing to them?

I think so.

I always worry about like how

what the take-up will be with like a younger generation

because it does seem, there seems to be less.

But I mean, we were in Monterey

and even when you go to Karsha,

there are still plenty of like kids or teenagers

that are there,

but it's hard to quantify what that means

because you're at Karsha.

So of course, there's gonna be that.

It's hard to say how many people are now growing up

going, I love cars because my dad or my mom

or whatever liked cars.

But I would hope so.

I always talk about like things like the Rimac

and stuff like supercars like that.

And even actually just modern supercars,

they all now do much of a muchness.

They're all really good to drive.

They're all very, very fast

and they all look roughly similar.

Is that people go, actually there's other stuff

that's a bit more interesting.

And I think that's starting to come back

is why manuals are now so popular again.

And yeah, I think that's coming around.

Also like RestoMods seems to be the word

of the car automotive community

in the last 10 years, 15 years.

Hopefully that's an indication that people are going,

why don't I take this new technology

and just use it to improve the older stuff

instead of just making new stuff.

So hopefully it means that at the same time,

there is a bit of like RestoMod that I disagree with

where you're just robbing an affordable car

and making it something for millionaires.

The 550 is something like,

there's someone's just brought out a 550 for our RestoMod.

How long that means they're still gonna be 60 grand,

70 grand?

People are gonna go, cool, I'll send that to him.

He's gonna, it's gonna be two million pounds.

Cool.

I don't mind paying 200K for the base car now.

No, yeah.

Up the prices go.

So yeah, it's a 50-50.

But if it means that people keep met,

petrol, manual stuff around longer.

Keep it cool.

I saw the flip side of that yesterday.

I saw a Mac, a DB6 Aston Martin.

There was a Jag, I don't know if I got the older Jags,

like a 50s shaped Jag.

Ooh, okay, nice.

Engines have been stripped out

and they'll be replaced with, yeah.

I thought, ah, that is not,

RestoMod's need to be,

looks like the original thing,

but goes like a modern.

Yeah, yeah, it's turnkey.

You can get, lie on it, exactly.

That's it, reliability, performance, everything else.

But then putting these motors in and thinking,

what are you doing?

When this whole agenda finishes,

which it, look, it's not in for the future this thing.

It can't be.

Those cars are just gonna be worthless.

You know, no one's gonna want it.

As a final ditch effort,

let's say petrol cars are bound tomorrow, fine.

I want the thing to look like I like it, fine.

But yeah, I can maybe understand it

if it's like, let's say you live in London

and it's a car that you've owned 50 years or something

and you just want it to work and go to the shops in.

You don't want to deal with having to sit there

and manually choke it for, you know,

five minutes to get a car in the morning.

Then I can kind of understand it

if it's your forever car,

but you just want to drive and look at.

But you're robbing the soul of the car.

It's such a tired thing to say

that it's like you're taking the soul out of a car,

but you are, you're taking the thing that made it

what it was and just making it a poster.

You're just making it a thing to look at.

Which for a car for me,

that is not what a car is, a car is to drive.

Yeah, that's it.

You may as well get on.

I think in the future,

you may as well have just got the bus.

That's what they want you to do anyway.

I think this, I think you give it another 50 years.

This whole, oh, I'm going to take my car on a B road

and you know, and give it around the car.

Just to drive for your car.

It will literally just be a point A to point B.

You know, and some of those cars are car to me,

as long as it gets me from point A to point B.

Personal travel is, you know that.

Because really like,

personal travels hasn't been a thing for that long.

I always think about like,

all we do is cars,

but cars haven't even been around for that long.

How long have humans been around?

But we've had cars for like a hundred years.

But as we know it anyway,

cars have been around for like a hundred years.

So they've come on a fair bit,

but I always think of the,

on the sort of what you mentioned before,

we mentioned this on our podcast,

but we went to Goodwood recently

for Festival of Speed.

And I, the Ferrari F80,

that's like, that's a big moment.

That's the Ferrari of this generation.

So, and I've not been that interested in it

because of the, you know, despite the numbers

and I think it looks great,

but it's got a V6 in it.

And I saw it launch at Goodwood.

I was like, if you're 12,

even if you're 12, you know, 112,

you're going to look at that and go,

that was so underwhelming.

Whereas, and then there was a,

the comparison is there was a Pagani,

two cars afterwards.

And that thing, you could see,

there's a crowd of people

and you could see everyone looks at each other

and goes, wow,

even when there's somebody who's not into cars,

people with fingers in their ears going, that,

that's a car.

Whereas the Ferrari thing,

that was, that's my only like thing is that

if the cars like the Ferrari are

like the F80 are what kids are looking at,

I don't think they're going to become

quite as obsessed by them.

Because they don't have the same things

that cars did 10, 20 years ago.

Yeah.

And then it's scary.

Well, then you've got to think not just about us

and whingeing about having to drive electric cars,

but then you've got to look at the manufacturers and go,

they, you know, their production team

was literally their engineers,

but to put these together.

And I hate this thing.

Yeah.

Off a Ferrari.

I mean, there must be some Italians in that factory

going, this thing should have a V12.

My money.

Yeah.

You're talking to me,

we're making the big Ferrari without a V12.

Yeah.

I know, I know.

What a shame.

Well, that's unfortunately,

we're on this wave.

The other thing that I wonder about those is,

I feel like the poster car has disappeared.

Yeah.

Like you take the 80s,

it's either a Testros or a Contagion.

Yeah.

You had two.

That was it.

Even going to the early 2000s,

it was the Enzo or it was the Mercilago.

Yeah.

For me, that's what it was.

Yeah.

There are so many things now

and there's such a saturation in the market

of people posting on Instagram,

people posting on YouTube.

You know, I used to get my information from Topkit.

Yeah.

I've been covered it three months beforehand,

but I was six.

I couldn't go and buy magazines.

Yeah.

Now, like I watched the last seasons of Topkit

and they'd be like, it's the speed tail.

I'm like, I saw this two years ago.

I know this.

This is already gone.

Yeah.

Any kind of special feeling of like,

this big thing is coming seems to just be gone now.

Even the F80, I wasn't excited.

I hadn't seen one yet,

but I've been like,

I've seen four videos on this on yesterday,

on Instagram.

Yeah.

It's the special feeling.

There are so many different iterations of the same car.

Yeah.

You know, that's it.

Not even just that.

Yeah.

But look at the, what's the car Mark McCann's just bought?

The B11.

The bike.

No, no, no, no.

The KTM.

Yeah.

But yeah, the KTM, like there are,

everyone makes a sports car now

or everyone makes a super car.

So you are right.

Where there used to be the, the vantage,

there'd be a Ferrari equivalent.

There'd be four or five.

Yeah.

In the McLaren, you go, oh wow,

they're unreal.

Now, yeah, literally everyone.

Yeah.

I said to Ben yesterday,

I said to Ben, that was my poster car.

One of them on my wall.

Yeah.

One of them there.

Yeah.

And now you'd look at a basic Huracan and go,

well, it's the Ferrari business.

Millions of these.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And then you get in the car now,

we've talked about this recently,

but like you get in a car

and it's almost like a chore.

Like that, that Tiguan is just a full on chore.

And it's a, it's a work vehicle,

it's a great work vehicle,

but you get in it and you're,

you're like a fighter pilot

before you even set off, right?

Start off.

Yeah.

You're like a fighter pilot

before you even set off, right?

Start off.

You're like a fighter pilot

before you even set off, right?

Start off.

Auto signed,

speed limit warning off.

Get that off, off, off.

And then you can turn all that over,

but you can't turn that stupid thing

where you're reversing out

onto a main road and it's seeing a cargo.

How slams it's brake on.

You're only doing like two mile an hour.

We've gone past the whole,

they killed it with the missions

and now they're killing it

with this safety technology

where it's just a chore to drive.

There's too many things.

The glada and the 550,

which obviously we've spoken about.

I know a fair bit about glada,

but when I got in it,

there's nothing.

Yeah.

It has a steering wheel.

And this is a manual one as well.

So it's a manual.

There is no mode.

There isn't even a sport mode.

It's just like, no, this,

this is a Lamborghini.

Sport mode is,

that's what it is.

It's the key.

So there's no like,

even the 550 I had a sport button,

but other than that,

there's traction control and that's it.

That's, that's what I think

people are now coming round to it.

And this is probably more like

the people who've got the money

to spend on these cars,

which is not why they're getting expensive.

They go, hang on.

It's the, we missed the good times

when they were actually there.

It's unlocked.

It's got a handbrake.

It's got all the bits you want.

From a design point of view,

like we go back to these older cars,

we're like, wow,

those things are beautiful.

What was up with steering wheels?

Like, look at this.

There's some of these steering wheels

they make now.

They're like, they're a work of art.

You could get like this beautiful Porsche 911,

like, immaculate.

It'd be probably worth like

250, 300 grand nowadays

because it's just perfect condition or whatever.

You look inside in the steering wheel.

The four spoke steering wheel.

Yeah.

I think it's because the airbag size.

Oh, right.

It's because like now,

if you look at a Porsche steering wheel now,

those really nice ones,

the steering wheel, the airbag is this big.

It's just a little button.

Okay.

Whereas back in the day,

they were like, you have to have the four spoke

that was this big.

Yeah.

It's huge, horrible.

We always talk about the 355.

Yeah.

They have, there was,

I don't actually do it.

Is it earlier one has no airbag?

The early ones have no airbag

and the later ones have.

The later one has the steering wheel.

It's also a four smoke, I think.

Yeah.

And it's awful.

Compared to the old ones.

It looks like a Ford steering wheel.

It ruins the interior.

It looks like, you know,

when Aston's had those Ford ones

and the badge is slightly off center.

And it's like,

Yeah.

Who let that out of the factory?

And yeah, I guess it's just that tech moved on.

But then tech moves on,

but then like,

I always use the super as an example.

I've used it as an example loads of times.

Like, what a great, like the late,

and some people would say,

no, the old one was better.

But I thought that,

you know, that's a really good looking car.

I'd never buy one,

but that's a really nice car.

I can really appreciate that.

And then I watched like the first review on it,

and I'm looking at the steering wheel and I'm going,

it might as well be a Yaris now.

You've ruined it.

I don't know, I don't know why steering wheel

is such a big deal for you.

I think it's the things you see,

the things you see and the things you touch

are like the, and here,

see are the most important things in a car.

So as soon as you mess that up,

you start to go, oh, yeah.

And they really didn't mess that up.

It's like they went,

oh, tell you what,

this is better than the BMW equivalent.

How can't I have that?

Wacker-crap steering wheel.

I sold.

I did it.

If we can be proud, won't we?

Yeah.

Let's make a Z4 that looks prettier,

sounds, yeah, well, it's obviously bigger.

Sounds better, it drives better, yeah.

But then that's, yeah,

it's not, I'm still right, it's too perfect.

All the Carnards are going to love it,

and then Wacker-crap are on it.

All right, get the eBay resistors going

and stick a non-airbag wheel on.

Yeah, true, yeah, true.

That could be a plan.

Yeah, that's it, that's it,

we're on it.

What happens to all of your old project cars,

if you like, do you sort of keep them?

Oh, yeah, that was the, like, the graveyard of this stuff.

We have got a few, we're now in a process,

we've got to a point where we're like,

we need to work through what we have,

otherwise we're just going to end up with a pit of off.

Finish your main and then you can have dessert.

Yeah, I like that, it's round.

But if we have something that is not worthy of us,

really, that's kind of too good

or we don't want to go any further

that we don't giveaways,

which is, it's a perfect way,

it's meant that we've been able to pay for better projects,

like things like the XFR wouldn't have been,

XFR and the E55 energy,

and modifying them, you know,

without being constrained by a sort of tight budget,

is not possible without doing those.

So-

And then the other side of it is

we've tried selling cars privately.

And it's not, it is a very tiny percentage

of our audience, our clowns.

They are hot-takers.

The majority are of the nicest people on earth.

They come up to us and they're like, I love videos,

but there is a very finite amount of you who are idiots.

We put a car up for sale and they'll, on eBay,

we put a car up, so on eBay, DriveTrib did it.

It worked perfectly.

Our FTO got bid up to 150 million pounds.

Which would have been great.

Which would have been great in 45 minutes.

And you can't undo it.

We then try listening stuff on Facebook.

You get jokers, they're like,

I'll give you a Mars bar and a PSD.

Okay, fine, that's kind of funny.

But then we've had people go, yeah, no, actually, I want it.

And then they'll just deliberately not turn up.

I'll go, nah, or they'll turn up

and go, I'm actually not really interested in the car.

I just wanted to come and see you guys.

Well, thanks, but you know.

Come to a show, if you see us out in public, fine.

That's all good.

But that's literally, we took time out of our day

to do this.

And we're not selling these cars expensive.

Like we're trying to move them on.

And we just get messed around.

So the easiest thing for us is to do the raffle.

Like, I think we'd still do it

if we were losing money on these cars.

Cause someone gets it for five pounds.

The guy that just won the TVR is a long time,

like watcher of the podcast, he watched all the stuff.

He's obsessed with the car.

He was like, I want it for eight or not a 10 quid.

He was like, I'm going to keep it.

I'm going to do stuff to it.

I love it.

That's perfect.

That is the ideal scenario where you've got the car

for less, someone that maybe entered

and spent a pound or two isn't,

they're still upset.

They didn't win it, but they're not as gutted as,

you know, having spent 10 grand on the car

and it breaking on the way, something like that.

It breaks, it breaks.

It's one of those things, yeah.

So yeah, they're kind of the easiest way for us to,

not, we keep trying to say, not get rid of shit.

Like we never, all the cars like Kyle went

and spent two days on the TVR,

buffing up stuff that I hadn't got to.

The Jag we've just sent for paint work

and a timing belt, because we don't want someone

to get it and go, oh, oh, okay.

Oh, I've got a scrap Jag.

Yeah.

Great.

What's next?

Is there a car that's yet to be released

or about, that is now released

that you're super excited about?

There it, well, we bought it months ago.

That's, we've mentioned it a few times.

We bought an EVO 5.

Nice.

Left hand drive from every man.

So some of us,

we're the one that's brought a few cars.

We were actually, we were bidding on a Clio V6.

There was a super rough, like ultra rough project,

Clio V6 and auction.

And before we actually considered bidding on it,

we went and went to have a look at it.

And then the guy who was there,

who was a follower of the channel,

he said, oh, by the way, every man are over there

because it was that, I can't remember where it is.

Is that like a track, airfield type thing?

And he said, I've heard they're selling off some cars.

And he was like, they've got a few bits.

And he mentioned EVOs.

So we were like, we just go to their door.

I think obviously you called them.

Yeah, they were like, no, you can't come in

but ring this guy.

And I rung him and he was like,

yeah, we've got some cars to sell.

I got an Aventador at 150.

We're like, no, no, no, that's not us.

Our budget's a little bit lower.

But somewhere between there and Primark.

And he went, oh, I've got a Ferrari 360 for like 45.

We were like, nope, still, not like that.

Oh, okay.

Well, I've got some impretas and EVOs.

And I said, okay, well, let us know.

I'd like to show, send me some videos of both.

And the impretas were just WRX bug eyes.

So we were like, no.

And then he just sent the video of this EVO

and it immediately, because we were lying nerds,

we saw black door handles and we were like,

that's an RS EVO.

Those are worth good amount of money.

And then he opened the door and he went,

yeah, obviously left hand drive on this one.

And we were like, left hand drive.

That's weird.

Looked it up and there were a number of left hand drive RS

EVOs made from the factory, about 300 ever

that were made for racing teams to race.

And it said, you'll know it's real

because it won't have a VIN number.

He popped the bonnet and he's like,

yeah, he's a VIN number and it's just blank plate.

And we're like, shit, this is an actual

left hand drive EVO RS.

We bought it, did the deal.

It took a long time.

It took months for the deal to go through.

Did the deal and then rung up the guy who built it

which is Roger Clark Motorsport.

And he went, oh, I remember building that car.

Yeah, there's like a hundred of those cars

left in the world, by the way.

That's very rare.

And we were like, oh, okay.

So we got a special of our hands.

So yeah, for that reason that I mentioned earlier

we haven't posted anything about it

because that's still got to go for rust repair.

Yeah.

It's quite rusty.

It will, we didn't want to post one video and go,

bye guys, see you in six months on this car's back.

Yeah.

Because as you can imagine,

lots of people with EVOs need rust repair.

So there was quite a long line.

Yeah.

But yeah, so that over there in that corner

there is an EVO engine out the car.

Oh no.

Which is the reason we got it so cheap.

At least some stuff off the table.

But yeah, there's, that's the reason why

we got it so cheap.

Yeah.

Nice.

When you were younger, what was your Subaru

or Mitsubishi?

I was EVO always.

You were EVO.

Quite close on it in Pretzer from like,

playing like Nifa Speed and stuff.

I liked it in Pretzers.

I remember telling my dad once that he once mentioned

that he was interested in an in Pretzer

and I was so excited to see that.

I was like, you're buying an in Pretzer.

I was like, this is amazing.

But as I matured I realized that EVO is the answer.

Yeah.

I had an EVO eight years ago that yeah.

That's, yeah.

I still like to try an in Pretzer.

And obviously on Overdrive we had a WRX wagon

which was unbelievable and so, so reliable as well

which they get a lot of stick for.

But EVO's to me, they just feel a bit more,

because you don't see a regular,

they don't have the WRX or whatever

just roaming around the street for two grand.

EVO's feel a bit more special to me.

Yeah.

Also, like it's something I've always felt

and has been confirmed by not only EVO owners

but Subaru owners to me is that a 350 horsepower EVO

is far faster than a 350 horsepower in Pretzer.

Yeah.

They, for some reason at the same power level

they are never similar at all.

All that all about,

Japan had this weird regulation where

it was just a gentleman's agreement.

Yeah.

Oh, was that what it was?

It was like they all went them and they all did.

276, we all not exceed 276

and then immediately or secretly exceed.

So Mr Bishop went full GM and both.

Yeah.

So like R32s dyno that like 310,

R34s were up to like 350.

Wow.

So, they just went...

Hence by the EVO wins.

276.

Yeah, that's it.

Don't tell them

but we'll just sneak another hundred dollars price.

Yeah.

We're all gentlemen, we're not exceeding this, are we?

I love that, I love that.

Well it's only really what they're doing these days, isn't it?

Yeah.

The Super was the same.

I think what was that for?

It dino'd at like 50 or 60 horsepower more than it was supposed to.

Yeah.

Which was B58 best engine.

M5s.

I used to have an F10 and M5 and they dubbed that back in.

They were 550 was the number they had, but they just dino at 600 horsepower.

Yeah, easy.

It's just a dumb, and I always think about it, like, is it partly like a marketing thing where

they can go, ah, then we can release the better version, lay down the line, not do a lot to it,

because they release the competition in which they say, it's 600 horsepower.

They go, well, hang on.

Yeah.

If you don't dino a standard one, you'll probably have 590.

That's all they do.

Like, literally, even like now with mine outside, it comes with apparently 510, which it isn't.

Yeah.

And then there's coding companies now that can just go, OK, then you have 530 now

if you like.

So that's off the later model.

That's all it is.

It's just software stuff.

Yeah.

Type in an email.

Yeah, that's it.

That's it.

But then apparently, I heard something the other day where it makes sense.

Apparently, it's got to be at least 510.

So if you live in a desert, it's hot.

It's humid.

It's, you're running 90-whatever fuel.

Yeah.

It's got to be at least 510.

Ah, interesting.

That makes sense.

This country, cooler air, good fuel.

Yeah.

It's going to be.

It's 1,000 horsepower.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

With the Ferrari that we drove the other day, I asked them, why is the speed limit on it?

It's supposedly 199.

Yeah.

And Charlie, the owner said, no, it's because the F40 was still the fastest Ferrari at 200.

And they didn't want to, they didn't want to use up it.

So realistically, it's like 203.

They're like, no, a 199.

Yeah.

Because realistically, who's going to do it?

Yeah.

They're still up to it.

Ferrari's had those sort of stories.

That's the character.

Yeah, exactly.

Outrageous.

Just cheating.

Yeah.

Just cheating and lying.

Yeah.

Everyone else?

I love that.

You guys are amazing.

Yeah.

It kind of happened on the, you remember when the Top Gear wanted to do the Holy Trinity

track test.

Yes.

And it was McLaren and Ferrari.

Ah.

But basically, it was McLaren saying, talking about Ferrari saying, we want a customer

car, not one from Ferrari.

Yeah.

Because we know that the one from Ferrari is not going to have cats.

Yeah.

Or he's going to have Michael Street McEvoy or whatever.

He's going to have something, some cheating is going to happen if it comes from them.

Yeah.

I remember that episode, actually.

I do remember that.

Yeah.

Which on the grand tour, they actually managed to nail, didn't they?

Yeah.

They actually got all three together, which was the first, the world had seen really

of those three together.

But it was good.

Notice how each manufacturer got the mechanics and everyone there at the time.

Was it McLaren or Porsche who were like, I just have a car?

It was Porsche.

Yeah.

And Ferrari, obviously Ferrari were.

Yeah.

But yeah, McLaren was, I think they were both the same.

Yeah.

They were like, no, you, I'm only doing it if you do that.

Yeah.

Porsche were like, hey, like we're just here.

We have a car.

Yeah.

Enjoy it.

Where's TDC going in the next year then?

Have you got any aspirations?

Where would you want to see yourself this time next year, basically?

Into your question.

Yeah.

Full interview mode then.

Obviously it's easy to think of subscriber numbers.

That's always a, we've already said like, ended this year, we'd like 500,000

which we're kind of on course for.

I mean, a million would be lovely.

I mean, it'd be lovely because we've, that's like, if we've grown a channel to a million.

Yeah.

It feels like that is always, a million is the best number for anything to be.

Like it's, oh, cool.

I did it a million.

A million is a 1M.

And you get that 1M.

Yeah.

That's nice.

That's the pluck on the wall job, isn't it?

Numbers wise.

And obviously if the, then the channel to keep growing, but just to kind of still be doing

what we're doing.

Yeah.

Level maybe.

We're not saying that we're just going to be going into burgatties and whatever, but

just knowing that we can do pretty much anything we want to be able to do on cars.

To a Yaris.

I mean, sorry, Tesla.

Okay.

Yeah.

T-Electric.

Yeah.

The T-1 in.

Yeah.

The T-1 in.

That's one that we can guarantee.

That will all just be software issues.

Oh my God, yeah.

It sounds a little bit soppy, but honestly, if we're still doing the stuff, like,

if we're still enjoying it like we are today, I'd be happy then next year.

I'd never want this to become a job, which sounds, you know, a little bit dickish because

I know this already isn't a job.

I'm very lucky to do what I'm doing anyway.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

But to be able to still say that it's not, doesn't become like, that would be incredible.

Like morning, morning, morning feeling.

Yeah.

Coming in here this morning, I bet you weren't thinking, Oh God.

I'm genuinely lucky to say that other than a brief stint at car throttle where I had

to edit MotoGP motorcycle footage, I really do not like motorbikes.

And I had to come in at like 4am and leave at 1am every day for like a couple weeks.

Really?

That's the only time I can ever say I've disliked my job.

Yeah.

I feel very, very lucky to say that.

That's extremely.

Yeah.

How many people these days could say that?

Exactly.

Yeah.

Which is why we try and say it quite a lot on video, but we're very grateful to the

viewers.

Like it's only because of them and only because of them taking a chance on us starting

it and sticking around that we can do this stuff.

Yeah.

We say it quite often that please keep watching.

You want to drive more cars?

Go away.

I don't look about to work.

No, good on you for that.

It's great.

Really good.

Well, I think we've covered everything, haven't we?

Yeah.

Anything you guys wanted to?

I don't know.

We'll take the BMW outside.

Yeah, we'll take that.

If you want to crash it, we can rebuild it.

That's video.

Put me in it.

Just wait till he has never driven it.

Yeah.

I'm terrible.

Put it that way.

And Ben was stupid enough to let me drive his car all the way to where did we get

last time?

What was the end destination?

Somewhere in Austria.

Yeah.

Austria.

Yeah.

Flashback.

Yeah.

Hello.

I was very tame as you can imagine.

Yeah, yeah.

I drove it like that.

10 to 2.

Yeah.

And I just had my drive in his truck to open my right with my shoulder.

Yeah.

Check in the mirrors.

Yeah.

Now remember, Lou, I'm here to teach you how to drive, to pass your test, not to

teach you how to drive.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're telling me I'm shit.

Thank you.

I mean, all you have to stop flying down.

Yeah.

Brilliant.

Thank you guys for coming over.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Great episode.

Oh, talk about cars.

Like, yeah.

Lou, would you like to drive a few hours and talk about cars for a few hours?

Yep.

No problem.

You've changed our morning by nothing.

Yeah.

We just be talking about cars anyway.

We just sat right here just talking to nothing.

Yeah.

That's a great question.

Yeah.

And we've hated on electric cars.

That's it.

Even better.

Really, if you've enjoyed this episode with the guys from TDC, please make sure

to like, subscribe and let us know who you want on Talking Shop Next.

Bye.

It's going to look so weird.

I can't wait to watch this back.

I'm going to do it now.

You can't wait for that Louie wasn't tall enough for the camera.

You've got a little bit of a Doctor Evil vibe going on.

Yeah.

Freaking me.

I am mini-me.

I didn't think we would just grow up.

The joke is always, you're always slumped in the seat like this because the seats

we have in the studio, you can't touch the floor plop.

And now you're like, yeah.

Yeah, I have to, when I'm on the sofa, I sit like that because I'm, one,

because it's just awkward, but two, I also don't want the embarrassment of sitting

like this.

Yeah.

So there you go.

It wasn't a setup, I promise.

No, it's fine.

It's fine.

I chose to sit here.

I could have done something about it, but I didn't.

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