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Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio on

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Chaos and EVB. Hey guys, it is a great day.

As I always say for radio show, it is a great day for or car show. Hopefully the weather is

cooperating with you guys as well as you guys know, car season is definitely upon us. Lots of car shows

going on, and be telling you guys for the last couple weeks. Make sure you start marking your calendar, start

looking to see where all the different car shows are at.

You never know where we're gonna pop up. It's funny.

We got off the air last week, and as soon as I hopped off the air, I started getting more messages sent to me about more car shows that were coming in and can we attend and we're gonna be at this one of stuff. I am still trying to

make commitments of the ones that we've already committed to and find ways to work other ones in. But like

let's tell you, guys, you never know we're gonna pop up.

I try to get a lot of stuff. It's just

it's hard. It's not easy. One thing I did say,

I think the last couple weeks, I told you guys, if you had anything you wanted us to talk about, and I thought it was interesting enough that we talked about it, and of course that generated a whole bunch of Hey Daves. So this week's episode, it's gonna be

a bunch of hay Days. And if you don't know

what those are, that space where people right into us, send us emails, send us text messages in the forums, whatever, and they're like, hey Dave. And then they asked me

a question. If I find that it's something good talk about,

we roll with it. So here we go, you guys

ready for the first Hey Dave. By the way, how

are you guys? You guys good, do pretty good so far.

Speaker 3: I'm living l I V in Nina movie.

Speaker 2: So the first Hey Dave that I got for we'll probably this first segment, I guess bestily because it's gona take a little bit kind of cut through. It is Susan.

So Susan sent me a Hey Dave, and she asked us a question. We were talking a little bit about

the restoration of our own product projects and the different ones we have laying around and what the problems we're running into them and stuff. And she's got a real problem.

I mean, if you it's hard to kind of set me break it down to you. I'll just break into

the pieces, I guess the easiest way to do it.

She has a vehicle that she's taken in for I guess full restoration. Now. I did reach out to her

and send her a bunch of questions. She didn't get

a chance to answer me back. So there's some things

I don't have all the answers to, but I got enough information that makes me just wonder some certain things.

And I'll tell you guys how it works out. So

sixty eight Camaro and took it in for restoration. And

I'm understanding full restoration at this point in time because she said that they had done some body work, and it sounds like they've done some motor work, So in my mind, that's can probably be full restoration, right. And

I guess your concern is, is you know, how do you know when they've had your car for what you believe is too long or how long shit take for certain things to be done. I'm going to start by saying,

I think you're well over that she told me they've had this car for three and a half years. Yi,

three and a half years now, I don't know some of the questions I asked, and I wanted you guys, A lot of you guys should know this. But if

you're not doing all the work yourself, right, which a lot of guys and gals don't, there's certain things they feel comfortable doing, and there's certain things that they don't feel comfortable doing. I fall into that. I'm not a

body guy, Okay, I told you guys, I'm just I don't think I had the patience for it. Now, that

doesn't mean that I have an attempt at body work.

I've done somebody work and it's come out pretty nice.

I had my mini truck for years and years and years, and I did probably eighty percent of the bodywork on that myself, and you couldn't tell that I did it.

But do I think I did it correctly? Honestly? Probably not?

And what I mean by that is I didn't have any problems with it. I didn't have any cracking or

anything like that. I had to do some body work.

I had to use some mud to fill out and smooth out some marries stuff like that. It didn't crack.

But what I mean, do I know what I'm doing?

Speaker 4: No.

Speaker 2: I've seen it done on TV and I played well.

I could play a professional on TV. But do I

think somebody could have did it better and quicker than it took me to do it. That's what I mean

by it's not my cup of tea. I can figure

things out, like Okay, I know how to mix mud and stuff like that. I've seen it. And if if

I didn't know how when I did that, YouTube wasn't really a thing, but you could really YouTube stuff. It

depends if you have value to your time absolutely, I could.

I could spend a lot of time watching videos and teach me how to do things. And I told you guys,

I don't think YouTube is the answer for everything. But

I don't mind going to YouTube to try to educate myself.

And sometimes it's not a YouTube if I go read like form stuff where I read articles to tell me how to do things and I try to figure out problems that they ran into. Absolutely so when I worked

on the mini truck, it had some dents and stuff when I purchased it, and I didn't back then, and I was you know, I was young, I was still a kid, and I didn't really have the money to throw at it like that. So I had to figure

it out. So i'd like said, did the bodywork. But

it took me in one den. It took me three

attempts to get it nice. So I filled it. It

didn't come out right. I cheese grated it. I went

ahead and sanded it. It still didn't look right. I ended

up kind of standing in a way most of what I did, and I went ahead and pounded on it some more. And because I really thought at that point

in time, if I brought most of the dent out there's be enough. But I realized there's just more to it,

so I had to figure it out. But I got

the point. We were on a small scale too, right,

which is probably a little harder than say it was probably about a foot and a half by a foot and a half was where the DT was. And I

had I went bought a hammer and a dolly and all that stuff, guys, and you know, did what I thought was the right way to do it. And I

mean what I knew, Like I said, there wasn't video to watch back then. It was just I've seen people

do it, and I feel like I could figure this out. Well,

there's probably people could figure out a lot quicker, and there was probably better ways to do it than what but I did accomplish. When you do, that's the reason

why I say I'm not a body guy. Can I

figure some things out? Sure? There was a you know,

I told you guys, I bought it. I used to

buy and flip a lot of cars. It was just

something I enjoyed doing. Most of the stuff I tried

to buy, I tried to get without any bodywork need to be done, but just there's always body work. Seems

like when you buy a car for flipping for the most part, at least back then it was. And I

diss painting a little bit of painting and mess that up two or three different times, and then figured out how to have a little more study of hand. Like

I said, I think for me it's it's a patience thing.

I don't think I have. I just want to go

to the next step. And I think I jumped too

quick sometimes with outletting things dry correctly or whatever. And

I think that's where some of my mistakes are, right.

But that's the reason why people usually either their good body people or they're not, and they send things off for body. And then there's guys who's are really good

at body, but they're not good at motors, and so they do all the bodywork themselves and they send it out for the motor work to be done, or transmission work, suspension with whatever. It is very much trial raor it

really really is. So Susan seems, like I said, it

seems like for her vehicle it's a complete restoration in three and a half years. I'm gonna say it's probably

way too long, but there's a long time it is.

Speaker 5: It is, But I guess It depends on like what the factors are. You know, if there's a family friend,

you know, did you send to an actual body shop that you know specializes in that.

Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like in her explanation for everything that which the kind of layout she gave me that it's a family friend, sounds like she commissions somebody to do it.

So of course I was like, okay, so what did you do? A contract? Like, I think get all that

and I'm kind of hoping she gets back with me all the actions. But you know, I was wondering, is

there a contract? And if you guys don't have one,

make sure you do have one. You take car to

a shop, you guys, hear me talk about the expectation, right, So there's always the expectation in letting somebody know what your expectation is. When you take your car to any

type of repair shop, you should lay out with your you know, your expectations are a dollar amount, estimate time.

What's the percentage over the estimate if there is one, there usually is gonna sa probably standard it's gonna be about twenty percent for what the estimate is. Sometimes it's

gonna be a little bit more, especially in stuff like this tricky? Did you have agreed to pound labor hours?

So how many labor hours did they tell you it was going to take to do everything you want to do in a restoration. If you take to a body shop,

they should be able to provide that for you. If

you do a full restoration, they should be able to tell you how many man hours did they believe it's going to take to do that? They too, Yeah, it

is so some of its phase. And you pay as

you go, so you're not gonna take down payment when we get to this point, you're gonna give me another money.

That's how I did it. So if we did extensive

work when I was in the car business on older vehicles, I had a couple of rules that I lived by. A.

I took it down payment. B. I gave you an

estimate of what I thought was gonna be. But if

I knew it was something tricky, I I was very transparent.

I'm like, it's an open check bookt this point in time because I don't know what I'm getting into. And

as long as you're okay with that week work on the car, I'm not trying to scare you. I believe

it's going to take X amount of dollars to do it.

But what happens if we to the point where I need parts that I can't get or and when I say don't can't get there's a reasonhy im gonna say.

You can always get parts, but they're harder to find in the research. Like sometimes it would take me forty

hours to track down.

Speaker 5: A part for a car or a little more expensive if you're just trying to get it right then and there instead of waiting for a sleeper part.

Speaker 2: And the internet was a fingle thing back in the day.

It's not as easy on certain thing as it is now, so you'd have to spend that time tracking down parts.

There's a portion of this show that we're going to talk about that as well, because it still works, but a little different. So I would go on every single site.

I knew a lot of different companies that sold use parts.

I knew where there was junk yards that most people had no idea there was junk yards, and I would get online if they had some mech then there was a lot of stuff listed online. But I get online

find what I could and the rest of him. I

start making telephone calls and I'd start calling junk Hey, I'm looking for such and such and they were like, I don't have one, but there's a guy in my town who specializes in such and such vehicles. He may

have that part. And that was the start to the

next guy, to the next guy.

Speaker 5: And I feel like back then, too, right, forums were pretty popular selling hearts like you can go in a form and people were listening to the parts that they had for sale and you can contact him. I feel

like it's kind of gone away a little bit.

Speaker 3: I think about Craigslists. I mean Craigslist.

Speaker 2: It did work work back in the days.

Speaker 3: But now our generation uses other apps. Like we were

just talking the other day, I mean offer up. You've

even heard about those apps?

Speaker 2: You know. It's like Marketplace is the big one right now.

But I've told you guys, I hate marketplace because it just seems like it's full of people who don't want to do any work to sell their product. They don't

want to answer any questions. I'm not I don't want

to buy something, or their fate posts or wa post whatever.

There's just so many problems to go with.

Speaker 3: Or you post something and all you get is, hey, is this available, Yes it is, and ghosts you're like, why did you even ask?

Speaker 2: Like, I'm like why, I always say, why are you even selling it? So one of her other things was

that she posted is the excuse some of the excuses she getting his parts are hard to find for your car. Well,

it's a sixty eight Camaro. It's not that hard right now.

If you're looking. If you're trying to source like I

have been, and you're trying to source original stuff or new original news stock, okay, that's challenging. But three years

at least had something to show for No, No, I agree with you, Yeah, one hundred percent, it is. There

should be something three and a half years. Look, we

did full frame down restoration on the trans am, guys, and you know for the paint in bodywork, and my car was clean. I mean, it didn't need a whole

lot of stuff. That transam was not tore up. It

just wouldn't shine anymore and it was driving me nuts.

Didn't matter, I think I told you guys, I had three different companies come out and try to shine this thing up. It would not hold a shine. It was

just a paint they used back then in seventy seven.

So I finally had to bite the ball, and it took me a long time to get there. I really

toyed with because I didn't want to paint the car.

But and then I'd look to see if I could just have the car recleared. I was like, we just

clear and they're like, this is this is not gonna work.

It's not gonna be what you want. The best thing

to do is trying to guarantee this to have a good shine. Well it was, but it wasn't. It wasn't

gonna be what I was looking for, is what I was told. So I finally decided we had the car

stripped down to it all down a bare metal, and I had it repainted as if it was factory. And

it looks great. If you look at that car, it

has a beautiful paint chob on it. But it was

a little over a year. It was a year time

from the time I dropped the car off to the time they stripped everything down, went through the whole car, did everything. Now, granted, we took the interior, we took

all the glass out. Everything was stripped down all the

way on the car. The fenders came off, the doors

came off, it was all painted, all everything blown apart and then assembled. So it was done right and it

looks great, But like I said, it was over here.

I think all together it's probably about a year and a half for everything for it to be done, not three and a half years.

Speaker 3: I kind of feel bad for it and for Susan though, because it's like three years, you know, and then you have to make that decision. It's like do I still

keep the car there?

Speaker 2: That's why, And then that's why I want to know how much money's invested.

Speaker 3: This right, because it's like, if you take it to another person, one it started three years too, but you're right, you're starting from here basics again. And here's the thing

person not knowing where it's gonna go.

Speaker 2: It's no different than back of the day if you brought me a car and you're like, oh, I want to go ahead and go through this car and go through the motor, go through transmits, all that kind of stuff.

I had over this guy's place and he's had it for about a year and it doesn't seem like we've gotten very far or he did the work on it doesn't run right. My first response was, Okay, I need

to go as if no one's ever touched the car and go through everything. I know that you paid five

grand to have such and such done, but I don't know the history of what he's done, and I don't want to be on the hook for shoddy work. So

the long way for me to do it is to kind of go through everything, take a look, and do it to my satisfaction, which costs money. And so that's

why I really wanted to find out for you know, how much money did you put down? Was it, like

I said, is it a contract? How much was were

you estimated? What was the overage on the estimate? Because

there always should be one should and that should all be in writing, and you should be getting updates as well, right, you should be getting updates even if is that you've run into problems. You know, they should be like you know, reaching.

Speaker 5: Out to you and you have a source to find that, right, And I say that's another idea. You do that a

lot too, where you know, maybe you find the parts that they're looking for and you bring it to him so he can you know, work on it as well if he can't find the parts or source it correctly.

Speaker 2: And I've done that many many times where I'm like, okay, I'll source the parts. Since you say you're having a

hard time finding the part, I'll source the part and I'll bring it to you. Which, by the way, that's

what we've done with White Noise our Nova. I have

sourced a bunch of stuff because I wanted the car put together a certain way. There's certain things a car came.

I told you, car came with a bunch of boxes of parts, but some of the stuff wasn't quality to me.

It came with a lot of stuff, but stuff I didn't want to hang back on the car. I wanted

to be nicer. Especially a lot of the trim and

stuff had little dings and stuff that just it was gonna take more work to get those out. So I

started sourcing new trim for it. That's kind of the

first part of this. There's there's there's a lot of

caveats to go into this answer that I gotta tke.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist.

Now back to your host Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So if you're with us. During

the first segment, we were talking about Hey, Dave's and one of the ones was talking about restoration body shops and how long is too long to have your car? And

Susan has sent us something and I was trying to answer best I can. So here is kind of going

back to where we left off at. I like to

anybody do any work with, like to have that report with And I told you guys that even goes just general a lot of repair and stuff. I like to

have that report. I like to know the people and

stuff that I know. That's not always possible, but when

it is possible, is the best way to do it.

And here's the biggest reason why some type of report, especially when you're doing a project like that, the expectations are easy to kind of bounce back and forth between the two of you, you know, as far as can one of the things can I use? You know, if you

can't find the parts, you want me to source the parts, like, because here's the thing. Most people are restoring cars for

a living. It's not just your car they're restoring. They're

restoring a bunch of different cars.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: I always hate the excuse of can't find parts. It's

one of the worst excuses ever. I really hate. It's

definitely hitting a bucket down the road. Yeah, even though

it's true because I've fallen into it. It's very hard

to find parts. But it's when I say I can't

find your part to somebody back in the day, it doesn't mean it's not out there. It means within the

limited time that I have and all the rest of the stuff I'm trying to take care of today, That's what I was, I can't find your part.

Speaker 3: It's it's not that you can't, which you can't. Sometimes

you can't find the part, but it's also how hard did you try to find that party that was always my biggest links Did you go to try to find that part?

Speaker 2: You know you've heard me talk about this forever big thing, so nowadays is a lot easier. Right. So I on

the Nova we're talking about, you know, the Nova. I've

supplied a lot of the parts for it, because they're upfront with me from the get go. They're like, I'm

not really sure where I get that from. Maybe you

have a better connection than I do. And they even

had a buddy of them that restores Nova's like, I know, he's got a bunch of stuff. And I was like, well,

I know you guys are busy, and instead of you guys having to try to hunt down the parts, I'll hunt down the parts. I don't have anything else to do,

I'll hunt down the parts too. So we've hunted down

a lot of the stuff that I want it now, I'll everybody. I started talking about this weeks ago and

somebody's like, well, I thought your guy's car was complete.

My car was complete when we bought the Nova. Essentially

it's complete. It had a lot of boxes of stuff

that came with it. Pretty Much everything was on the car.

It was hung except for a couple of things. But

the things that weren't hung on the car were in the boxes. Now, with that being said, and when it

comes to restoration, you need to make the determination of is that what you want? Is that the look that

you want? What I mean esecially when it comes like

trims and stuff like that, trim gets messed up. It's

really easy. The trans Am has trim that goes all

the way around the windows. I've done everything I can

to keep it pristine, because it came off the car pristine.

So i have it up in the mezzanine right this second, away from everybody, so now we can trip on it, step on it, whatever it may be. I can't say

that was the case with the Nova. I got four

sets of trim with it that came with a car, four different sets of trim. I think one of them

is for a different year, and somebody can confirm that.

For me, I'm not the biggest knowledgeable person on when it comes to Novas. I had never owned one before,

I'd never restored one before, so I just always liked it, and that's the reason why we bought one. And I'm

quickly teaching myself Nova knowledge as I jump on the forums, I talk with people and I'm learning things. I think

I told you guys. So we were searching for the

back ass panel because the car is in SS and it's a true SS car, but the back panel that I had was not in the best shape and I didn't believe it could be restored to me to look right.

So I've been on on the hunt for one. I

wanted a real ten metal you know, plate forty. You

can buy tons of them, some of them, but well, they all are plastic. It's funny because as I got

in the forum, a lot of guys are like, oh, I've bought one from so and so. It says it's metal.

When it came in it was plastic. And I'm like, yeah,

I know how that happens, because that's happened to me.

So I I like to supply my parts because now if I was paying somebody, there's money that's got to be involved with that. If the guys are storing my

car and it took me twenty hours to track down a part, do you think it took him twenty hours. No,

he's not going to look at it. It's going to

take as far as he's concerned. Took him more because

you know, mine was straight, just steadily looking, looking looking, and then you know, maybe the next day I throw another five hours at looking, looking, looking, and I'm on forums, I'm talking to people where I find one anybody have any source for that all that kind of stuff as a shop, they don't have time to do all that they could. But there's going to be a charge for that, right,

And I would expect them to be a charge to a certain degree. If they don't have a direct connection

for this part on that car, and they got to spend a lot of time for it, then you know, to a certain degree, I guess they got to get paid for their time somewhat. And then what's reasonable, right,

So you've got to figure out when what is the reasonable amount for that? So sometimes if they're willing, they're like, hey,

if you want to find us the parts, that should be great for you because you did all the legwork and search. Like I said it, so we I need

a new because I wanted them on the Noba. I

wanted new vent windows and all the metal trim, the bracket tree, all that kind of stuff. Well not everybody.

Some people had parts of it but didn't have it all.

So I had to hunt and get all the pieces to make that happen. That was something that was really

important to me. Because our car had it. And although

it was in decent shape, you guys know, allow of that chrome metaling stuff like that, starts to show little signs of pitying. And I was like, okay, well now

I got to pay somebody to sand it down and then I go over ahead and have it replayed it.

And by the way, as you guys know, I was black everything on the car, so I wanted it black.

So when I did the math on it and I started looking at it, I was like, it was cheaper for me to buy new it was already black, right, it was to get it off the car, send it out, have it stripped down, have somebody reap go ahead and you know, played it out and black for me, reassemble it all back together, and then you know, and hope they would begin to put it back in the car, and then hope it looks good when I can just buy it already done, and I know it looks great.

By the way, it was cheaper to you when I did the math for me to buy all of it.

And that's happened for a couple of different things. I

told you guys. You know, we blacked out the bumpers

on the car, because that's what I wanted. I found

a place that sold black bumpers. I was like, oh, well,

you know there's a place. It was cheaper for me

to do my own than it was to buy it, So it went both ways. So that's where I like

the availability of being able to sometimes, Hey, let me if you guys are okay, let me go ahead and do the legwork. A I think that so you can

make the decision. I can make you a decision, right,

And I think it cuts down on time by me supplying certain things, like, look, that's time you don't have.

All I gotta do is give you and you just got to put them on the car because you're restoring the car. You don't have to go try to find

it and then wait for it to come and all that kind of stuff. By the way, I'm also able

to make the decision on a lot of my parts by timeliness. So I may three different people that have

it for a part that they say they're having trouble sourcing, and then out the three people I talked to them like, okay, who can have it to me the quickest, right? You know?

I mean quality time? Time? Do you expedite? I always

ask that question, do you expedite If you guys don't know what that is. That's if I pay you today,

can you put it in the box tomorrow, you know what I mean? Like, that's what I mean in some

companies like well, we don't do that, you know, you know, it's just it goes out and whatever I have companies, I deal with it literally, will box it and walk it to the UPS store for me, or drive to the UPS store for me and get it in the mail.

So come to me that quick because my guy's waiting for it. And I've done that many times and never

hurst to ask that question. When you're dealing with people,

and if you build reports, they.

Speaker 3: Give you forty bucks to expat it sixty bucks, you know, to know it's in the mail that day or not being in the mail two weeks later. You know, it's

like I rather time is money. So it's like I

can make an extra book if I have the part there today, you know, and not so much two weeks later.

Speaker 2: So give you guys a perfect example. So I told

you guys, we were tracking down the ss pannel. I'm

trying to find somebody had original I called a bunch of places that say that they had the original. But

when I got them on the phone, I'm like, can you do me a favor, Just go out and look at the one that you have. You know what, we

got two of them, you know social, we have two in stock. Show up the box up for me. Tell

me is it metal or is it plastic? You have

it listed as being metal the on your website. But

I'm questioning that now, right, you know what I mean?

And they come out, sure enough, this is plastic, I said, yeah, But on your website says it's it's original metal. It's

not that.

Speaker 5: It's because the people are probably listening don't actually know what they're listing. They just know what it should be,

but they don't really know what's in the image.

Speaker 2: I think what happened is some of these places that did sell ten metal ones and now run out for whatever reason, maybe the whoever is making in form doesn't make it, or if they had gotten a bunch over the years. Like there's one company I dealt with the

there was a new original stock. I bought stuff from

them before, and they had listed they had two of them.

When I called them, I'm like, I know it shows that you guys have the originals? Are they really originally?

And she was just like, you know, I don't really know.

I can just go buy whatever it says the website.

And that's why I asked, can you just go out and take a look. I don't want you to send

it to me if it's plastic. And she came back

to to know they're both plastic. She goes, but I

read what it says here or even in our description.

I'm like, right, So, long story short. I turned to

the forums. I went to the forums and I was like,

and I told you, guys, he's worked very well. This

is kind of like looking through the paper back in the day and using Craigslist back in the day. It

kind of works the same way. And I just put

it out there. I'm like, hey, here's what I'm looking for, guys.

Tonoy had so people kind of gave me some suggestions, led me in certain directions. Why I end up partnering

up with somebody who, by the way, is in the forum site that I'm in for novas and had that place.

I was looking for it and then I was like, hey, I see you're selling it. I don't mind. You know,

I'm not even trying to talk the guy down, like, I'll pay exactly what you're asking for it. But here's well,

if you would do for me, because it's only way I'm really interested. Would you be interested in boxing it

up and ship it to me, and I'll pay you to ship it to me. He was like, yeah, I

can do that, So okay, let me I already. So

here's I didn't need to. He did it for me. Basically,

what did it for me? Because he was just that cool.

People are like, well, that's risky. I was willing to

take the risk. We're not talking about a whole bunch

of money here. I worked, what two hundred bucks whatever

it is, you know, I mean, I know I'm not saying two hundred dollars a lot of money, but I've called everybody. Nobody has what I'm looking for. This guy

has it and he's willing to box it up and send it to me. So I communicated with him, and

I talked back and forth, and we had we passed batches back and forth, seeing me pretty legit knew what he was talking about, had some knowledge on the cars, you know what I mean. So I know it's not

like you know you started like man, I'm sure I'm not getting scammed, you know, but he has the right question. Yeah,

he had the knowledge on the car, and he's like, yeah, I don't mind doing that.

Speaker 5: And usually if they're pretty good thoughten you have picture or you Yep, he had a picture of it.

Speaker 2: So I wired him the money and then he sent me a message boxed up goes out tomorrow morning for you.

I was just like, well, that's great. Now it hasn't

shown up yet because it's just within a couple of days now of all the communication making all work. But

I believe it's coming. It's coming, right, I've seen the

mature of it. It is original metal, and here's the thing,

we're doing something different with it. Anyway, I'm not leaving

it original, so it doesn't really matter. All I want

to do is make sure the medal was straight on and stuff like that, Like we're doing something a little different to it. You purists probably won't like it, and

that's fine because I've talked about the whole thing on this car. The most purest probably won't aren't going to

like some of the things we do, but at the end of the day, it's our car. I'm going to

do whatever we want to it, and that's the reason why I bought it. If I wanted a all original car,

I paid the money for an original car. I did

buy an all original It is what it is. But

I bought it with knowing I was going to do this, this, and this to it. That's the reason why some of

the car was already in a box. It didn't bother

me because I'm like, I don't really care anyway. I'm

not using that. I'm not using that. I'm gonna put

this on it and do our own things to it.

So I coup forms. Guys, that's the new thing. Go

to forms, enter a form for whatever car it is you're restoring, and talk to them. Ask them the questions,

find out where to find the card set, the place that you're going to go to the body shop? Time,

How long is it gonna take? Do you need to

find your parts? Hope that answers some of the questions.

I got some more for you, guys. I can't believe

I could take another christianer break, but sit tight. I'll

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So we've been talking about Hey,

Daves and I think we've pretty much beat the body shop, slash work, restoration topic to death. I hope I answered

all the questions the best I can, with having a little bit of knowledge of what's going on, but having enough I feel from it to kind of set you in one direction or the other. The end result on it,

like I said, was if it's been three and a half years, Susan, I would one percent be like a make sure you got your money it's worth of what's been done already, and maybe it's timer to go someplace else if you feel you got your money's worth. If

you didn't, that's where you're going to have to make a really difficult decision as far as you know, arbitration something, because nothing's worse than not being your car for three and a half years and it hasn't really gone anywhere for the money you already spent. Like I said, most

places require pretty healthy down before they start on it.

I know we always did, so, like I said, hope that works out sending the information. I'm just kind of

curious how this all pans out. I told you guys,

so your next part that you guys looking for, you can't find it. Make sure you guys are going to

the forums and join whatever car you have, whatever group, start asking the guys. It's I guarantee you're not going

to be the first person looking for whatever part is that you're looking for, and some of the other are going to have the answer. I was just in one

actually earlier today and I was talking about somebody was looking for something and I made a comment and said, you need to look here, and then he sent me back and goes found it. So it's just it's a

supplier that I use that most people probably don't know the name of because they've never had to deal with them.

But I've been using them for years and avery's like, what's the name of that? I'm not telling you. You

have to find me on the form. But it depends

on what kind of cars you're you're working on. But

I have some that I keep in a notebook that, like I said, they're not common names that our household.

When I say common, if you're in the business or done enough frustration, you may know them. You may not

because you've never had to buy from. Yeah, they're specialty shops.

Like now you know. I I got a buddy that's

restoring a Trifi and he's got same thing. He's got

a list of certain places things I've never heard of it.

I'd never restored one of those, so, you know, he and he started telling me names and things like, Man, I've never heard of that. He start telling me. He's like, oh, yeah,

they specialized in this and this. I was like, well,

maybe I can. Maybe they got some of the stuff

I'm looking for. He goes, I don't know, because they've

really kind of specialized in this particular car. But maybe.

But I had never heard of them. It was just

a new name for me. So I kind of shotted

that down. Just remember later on, and I learned that way,

like why I think the forum is the best thing.

Just join one that has to do with your car.

They're online, Go on Facebook, whatever, I don't care, whatever site you need to join through, but get on a connection site where people are constantly talking about that particular car.

I'm on one for camera's guys, I mean, and everybody's like, what are you doing on that way? You guys? Remember

we built the camera for a hunter for his first car, and I've always liked cameras, but I don't know everything.

There is no about camery, where to source parts for it them off.

Speaker 3: That's how I found my knuckle when they were wanting like I think six for the Z and I was like, I went and joined forums. I'm like, does anybody I

was just trying to find a knuckle and then yeah, that's when somebody was like, you know, you know, I was like, no, I didn't it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, So same thing for me, Like I'll I instantly I know enough about cameras to be able to work on them, but as far as where to source things from, I was like, I don't know. But there's guys, that's

all they do. They build old gen cameras and they

put them back together, so they had a bunch of knowledge. Hey,

you check here that they probably have it in stocks, Like sure enough.

Speaker 5: You'd be surprised how many times that part gets reused in different models.

Speaker 2: On the camera, it's a little different. I can tell

you that the Lexus, some of the parts from the Lexus, the E S three hundred change over on it. Not

a lot, but there is some ods that you can do and make it swinker or whatever I mean stuff.

But I did learn a lot by just joining that particular group. And then just a lot of times I

don't even comment, I just watched the conversations back and forward between other people, and I learned things. If you

ever feel that you're past learning, especially when it comes to cars or anything in life, find a different hobby.

There's no way that you know it all. It's just

it's impossible. Note on. If you think that you do,

you're you were wrong. Unfortunately you're gonna be wrong because

you know, I've never got to the point where I feel like I know everything about cars. Never. People are

teaching me things every day, and I'm good with that because I'm a sponge. I like to learn things. Hopefully

you do too. All right, here's a conversation, so I know,

brace yourself. Some of y'all hate this conversation. Elect your vehicles.

I know they come out. I got some interesting even

if they know cringed camera. So this is cool though.

I we've been talking about for years about customizable vehicles, right, Like we've been talking about you know, if they made a customized vehicle that you could make it yours and the price point was right, that it would probably be attractive to the right people. I think more of your

guys generation. That is really where our conversations always steer.

But this attracts me. And you know, if you know

what I'm talking about. If you guys seen the slate truck,

they've been talking about it probably about the last two weeks.

It's been real popular this last week and there's a lot of news on it. There's a lot. I mean,

so if you haven't looked it up, go take a look at it. I'm not saying it's something you guys

want to own, but for me, I look at it, I'm like, that's a great concept. It's a great concept

and it would actually kind of be I could think of applications that we could use it for out here on the farm. It's your basic electric pickup truck, and

it's under twenty thousand dollars for a pickup truck. It's

not huge, it doesn't have the biggest bed or anything, but you're running around picking things up stuff like that.

It's it's a great concept and it's customizable. Now, the

truck doesn't come available yet in four wheel drive. It's

two wheel drive, but it's been built from my understanding where you know four wheel drives coming because it can take a common in the design where you can accommodate a four wheel drive system. But the truck is way customizable.

I think the Faniels tell me it's not even paint.

It wraps right, so you wrap it whatever I believe.

Speaker 5: I believe it's a one set paint and then whatever color you decide to change to a though, wrap it to that type of color.

Speaker 2: So I've told you guys before, they've tried this before, and a lot of you guys will remember Toyota did it, okay, so and I back when Toyota was doing it, I was like, I thought that was genius. I was like,

this is a really smart idea because they're going after a certain type of customer. And if you don't remember,

it was the Zion and the Zions were extremely customizable, the cube version of them and the car version of it, and there was and I don't know how long it lasted, but I remember when they first came out. It was

a big, thick book I've told you guys about and it had like every part you could buy for this card on it and you could just customize the car.

And it was a platform for Toyota to try to reach out to different people. A younger generation is really

what was for people who were innovative and they want to try different marketing approaches and all different kinds of stuff.

So it was really a platform to try a lot of different things with that car and it worked. And

the biggest thing that was when I you know, I was a younger man when that car first came out, but I knew two people that owned him, and what attracted them to the car was the customization of the car that was available. And when I the catalog was big. Guys,

I knew two different people that owned, like I said, to own them, and they were two different ages. When

was young and what was closed? I think actually I

think he was older than I. They all want to

bought one was was older than me, but they both bought it for the same reason was because there was so many different things they could make it theirs. And

what I mean They're like, well if they had a catalog, means everybody could get to that. Yeah, but it was

a catalog like yeah, this piece, but maybe not this piece, and you use this piece instead, and you know, two thousand different variations. You made your own car.

Speaker 5: And instead of you sourcing it out, you know, China loot for pars that maybe haven't been created yet, or you know that you're looking for a particular look is actually in the catalog that you can kind of source yourself.

Speaker 3: Well, that's why I kind of liked the Slate truck because they kind of created it as like I like their first name. It was like the.

Speaker 2: Blank Slate, That's a great name. I was like, dude,

that's that's per fixed.

Speaker 3: And then like I liked how basically it was the same frame and then you could add stuff to it.

You could add a third a second row seat if you wanted to. You could create it into an suv

if you want to. And then my mind started wandering.

Speaker 4: Now.

Speaker 3: I was just like you remember how those how people used to have those cargo beds on the back, and then you would see drive past neighborhoods and you'd see some of them would have it on wood planks where they took it off. I was like, you could have

a truck and an suv. You could just take off

the have a truck for the week. It looks like

it looks like it just connections drops onto it. I'm

actually really thinking about buying it.

Speaker 2: It would just and I was like, look, I got to think of reasons to have it out here because it's just something could be the driveway and you if you run and go do errands and you pick up some things and you load the bed up some small ice.

It's not as big as my truck. But and when

we start talking about the price point on it, and I was like, okay, if you want to pay that thing, let's just say you had no plans on keeping that thing for three years. It's like a five hundred and

twenty seven dollars monthly payment on it. And he's paid

off in three years. You own that thing, you know

what I mean. I'm like, not bad. It's not bad.

I mean, it really wasn't bad because I had said, and I still stick by, if you offered a vehicle to the younger generation that was under twenty thousand dollars that they could pay on and have it paid off pre I think I said five years instead of three years what it was, but they could pay and had a low payment on it, they could pay it off with them five years, and then if they needed to, they could just throw the vehicle away and go get something else. Because at the price point twenty thousand dollars

five years. If he's twenty thousand dollars, you get five

years out of I think, get your money.

Speaker 3: It's a lot of money. But at the same time,

twenty thousand dollars for a brand new vehicle, right, you.

Speaker 2: Can want it's five years bump for the bumper.

Speaker 3: Right, It's like I'd go out and spend twenty thousand dollars on it.

Speaker 2: It's it triggered for your guys generation and.

Speaker 3: You can basically create it the way you.

Speaker 5: Want it, right, And that's what's going nothing is like, Yeah, I think it's a pretty good reason too. Is you know,

if you decide, say three four years, that you want a different type of style, you can always pull that stuff off and you know.

Speaker 2: Get out of that part. Look. And that was what

I talked about. So that was one of the biggest things.

If you guys haven't been following along, there was two releases.

I know you guys don't see the pressures like we do, but there was two releases out in the car press So that's how I know a lot of you guys that follow that stuff see it. The three D print

thing huge. It is going to be the game changer.

You already have body shops just like I knew it was gonna happen. You have body shops. They make machine

now big enough they want to start putting them in and they'll make the fenders and stuff like that right there.

And think, why is that important? Because we talked about

we saw the layout three years ago. I think it

was where they were talking about. You get tired of

your car, you just have an update offender for it.

You just print the update defender, you put it on the callups. Completely different. That's gonna be the big, big

game change.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome back. So before we went to commercial break,

I'm telling these commercial breaks are going by. I mean, yeah,

they're coming really quick. I don't know what it is

this week, but we're talking about the new Slate truck.

And like I said, if you hadn't looked it up, definitely do it. Like I'm not saying, I know a

lot of you guys aren't interested in evs, and I get it. I mean, but you guys known me a

I bounce back and forth between technology and old school muscle cars, and I even like, I mean, I like everything.

If it's a car, it's cool.

Speaker 3: I it would be practical for me though, because I have a charging station right now. It's like I literally

can throw a rock at a charging station and it's like, I get it, though, I think, look at it you guys so much.

Speaker 2: They go look at all the pictures that they provide and stuff. The versatility of this vehicle is neat. I

don't you guys know, I've been I've been a fan of Tesla forever because of I told you guys, everything they've done and everything they've accomplished stuf like that. I

support it because of what it is, right. This is

something I get behind. Not that I'm in a big

hurry to have a electric view. I told you guys,

I'm not, uh, but this is cool. I don't know,

maybe I'm wrong. The concept on it is very quest

customization behind it.

Speaker 5: I wish they would have gave you an option maybe to get like a gas powered version of it.

Speaker 2: You and I talked about that, but.

Speaker 5: Still with the concept of it being customizable and you, you know, change it into whatever you like. And this thing, right,

I do see it, you know, being a big hit.

Speaker 2: I see it being a huge hit for that reason.

A The price point I think is right. I think

I think they're hitting on the right if it stays where they say it's going to. I think the price

point is one hundred percent right on it. The fact

that you can change so many things, like I said, it can be an suv, it could be a truck.

You can add seats to it. Let's say, like I

was saying, you buy a truck because you're, you know, a young man. You don't have a family yet, and

all of a sudden, whoops, we got a family coming.

You can make an suv and you don't have to worry about geting oother vehicle.

Speaker 3: You just buy body. I would probably buy the SUV version.

Speaker 2: I think I schemes that they have just as a display.

Speaker 3: Probably buy their lowered SUV version. You know, I like

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they'll definitely get driven.

Speaker 3: They're still on our test list.

Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you know, maybe somebody will come through at some point, but no, I mean I think it's cool.

I say, if you guys haven't done your research on it, uh, definitely head over and take a look at it. Like

I said, they got about there's like eight or nine different variants of of what it is. One of the

cool things I thought was in Nathaniel, I were just talking about this a couple of weeks ago, is you have roll up windows, and then you can buy the kit and not have roll up windows. And it's really techy,

which is kind of neat because I know a lot of people into that. Uh you guys. It doesn't come

with a stereo unless you want to upgrade one. It

is you supply your phone, your tablet, your Bluetooth speaker, or you can have the speakers put in the doors, but you still run off your tech run the radio.

I think that's kind of neat. I can see how

that's We already use our phone and I can see like you have it. And then, of course, because I

already take a Bluetooth radio that to a lot of different stuff like the beach like that. You just grab it,

grab it out and you have.

Speaker 3: It right in a way, you just like the Toyota that does it right. And the JBL built in as

a center speaker and you can pop it out and it poos out.

Speaker 5: I just hope that they guarantee a certain year of production so you can actually if you wanted to customize it in the long term, if you decide to.

Speaker 2: I think, like I said, I think the next step is, let's say I've had it for two years and I want a little bit different. Look, there's a pop on

fender or something, you know, something that lets me make it look like a new vehicle even though it's still seeing platform. I've always said for years now that is

where I think things should go to. I see, I've seen,

I've a tenant some things that show me technology going in that direction. And I think that's really neat the

fact that you know, one of the things I told you as far as what you had a thought, Yeah, it did in your head.

Speaker 3: I wonder how much the battery placement is, you know, so that would definitely one of my questions. What, Yeah,

that would be one of my questions. Can I replace

the battery and then if the battery is like but again, if the battery is like ten thousand dollars, you know, send it to the side and just go buy a brand new one. I mean, it's like so many possibilities.

Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see battery pricing coming down on ev vehicle. As far as replacement, it's gonna be once again.

It's gonna be like everything else, everything starts on high.

I think you're gonna see a lot of stuff come down.

We were just talking during commercial break because a lot of the stuff on this vehicle is a wrap, which is kind of cool because you can change color on stuff.

I think you're going to see prices of wrap eventually come down as well. To get some way. But do

you remember when window tenning was really expensive, guys? I do,

and it's not nearly expensive as it used to be.

Speaker 3: It came down after this depends on which type of tint that you get, you know. I mean you can

go get the Walmart tent, which ain't bad looking, you know, definitely not, but the sidebar.

Speaker 2: Did you guys see the video that's circling around. Somebody

sent it to me by the guy that got pulled over for his tint and they gave him a ticket per window, per window.

Speaker 3: Now I've seen the video now and I kind of want to look it up. But there's tint out there

that it looks tent on the inside or on the outside, but it's not tinted on the inside.

Speaker 2: So you know, like how usually because the reason why you have the reason why tints.

Speaker 3: He was fighting it on the video. He's like, I

can see clear as day from the from my inside of the car. It's not about what you can see

on the outside. It's about what I can see on

the inside. So they put a tip meter on it.

I gotta I'll send that video tonight. They put a

tip meter on it and it reads zero.

Speaker 2: Over the one where they met. They start with one

window and there and then they go and start my the other one, and they're getting a ticket per window. Yeah.

I was like, I didn't even like, I didn't know that was possible. And then I start I was like,

once again, you guys know I waiver on this back and forth. I'm like, you're just finding reasons to give tickets,

Like I mean.

Speaker 3: Just another thing that popped up in my feed. I

did want to mention it to you guys. We were

just talking about how speed traffic cameras, you know, with that story last Yeah, before that, another article popped up.

They put a construction camera, like a work zone camera.

And I can't remember what state it was, but it's issued forty eight thousand tickets within a two month period that it's It's issued forty eight thousand tickets through a.

Speaker 2: Wa Okay, so look, I understand the whole construction thing, right, not speeding in construction zones. I get it. I think

it's dangerous. I understand you're putting people at risk and stuff.

But I'm sorry, I don't believe that's the reason why you put that there. I'm never gonna believe that's why

that machine is there. You you, I don't. I can't

believe you didn't put it there to save lives. I'm sorry.

I'm just I'm not gonna believe that it's a money generator.

Speaker 1: Mary.

Speaker 2: I mean, I just looked it up. It was Mary

everything against Maryland. I'm just saying they got it twenty four.

Speaker 3: To seven work zone speed camera, and it's issued forty eight thousand tickets in less than two months of time.

Speaker 2: I don't tell you a thousand tickets. I can tell

you when I drive and I go the back way and up into Maryland, I know and that you guys roll with me? What do I say? And Maryland? And

you watch me slam on my brakes and I roll the speed limit. Because if you ever Maryland and Delaware

were both the same way, They're lined up waiting for you to cross into their state, just waiting to pull you over. I'm was like, well, if this doesn't tell

you something, And here's the thing, So I like to drive late at night. If you think that it isn't

set up to pull you you over, why when I'm rolling through at like two o'clock in the morning, there's still police officers everywhere looking to give you tickets. And

everybody's like, oh, that's to be witching now. Everybody's leaving

bars looking. I'm like, nope, nope, not gonn convince me

that either. It's just it's it's the way they have

it set up primetime, right, the.

Speaker 3: Lowest fun Right. So if you're going twelve to fifteen

miles over and they're and they'll either give you a sixty dollars ticket or one hundred dollars ticket or one hundred twenty license, just a ticket and bnestly goes against your license.

Speaker 2: If it does, I'll have to leave that up.

Speaker 3: But if you go take their lowest fine, the sixty dollars, right, it goes, by the way, it goes all the way up to one thousand dollars. If you're more than thirty

nine miles over the speed limit. Right, But if you

are twelve to fifteen and you get their lowest drive for forty eight thousand tickets, means that the city has generated two million, eight hundred and eighty thousand dollars. I

want to pull up their numbers by of the year and see.

Speaker 2: I mean, it's not about money, guys, really money at No, it's absolutely not about money. Has nothing to do with money.

Nothing to see here, magic your imination. Every time I

hear I think it. Literally, I think about it all

the time. No, we didn't watch cartoons when they were young.

I never watched cartoons with them at all. But no,

I mean I take big issue with money generators. I

take big issue with things that just don't sit well with me. When I'm pulled over and it just seems

to be just what it shouldn't be. And I told you,

guys a thousand times, I've been pulled over a lot of times in my life. Most of the time I

probably deserved it. I'm all be honest with you. I

know I did the ones I took issue with. We're

the ones where I pulled over, got pulled over and knew that half of what I was what I was now dealing with was just bs. I'm like, we're just

if you got me, you got me. If you're just

adding things, that's where my emotion with changing it because I can honestly say, one, I've told you guys this on the show before, and they can verify they have been in the vehicle with me. I get pulled over.

If you got me and you pulled me over, I'm like, yeah, I think you got me. I don't argue with the

police officer. I'm like, yeah, all right, now do I

want to speed on the process to be done with this and let me just want to be done. But

if you got me, you got me. I'm not going

to argue with you. You got me.

Speaker 5: But just because you got me, it doesn't mean that you can slap on a bunch of other bus where it is for.

Speaker 3: Me and I know we're wrapping up, but I do think that some officers do keep you on the side of the road for a little bit longer, hoping that you can think about your actions and not wanting wanting to do it right when you leave the scene, you know.

Speaker 2: So I don't know I'm gonna disagree with you on that one because I got another videos I can tell you about that go handhand with that that don't line up, But I can't do it because it's the end of the show and that no. Guys, I hope you're enjoying

your Saturday. Hopefully you guys found a car show to

go to. If not, there's plenty more coming. Enjoy your Saturday.

Sunday is right around the corner. As I tell you

all the time, Spend some time with your kids. Hide

their cell phones in the couch cushion to whatever you got to do, fire at the barbecue, playboard game with them.

They'll love you for it. At the end, they'll have

those memories and so will you. That's the end of it,

you guys, ready to get out of here? All right? Guys,

will talk to you soon.

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