Heavy-duty trucks are the “workhorse” class of pickups. They’re designed to tow and haul more than regular trucks and usually handle heavier loads better.
Midsize trucks are pickups that are bigger than the smallest “compact” trucks, but not as large as full-size trucks. They’re a middle ground for people who want a truck for work or towing, without the biggest size.
“Body on frame” means the car’s body is built on top of a separate metal frame. This is common on trucks and truck-based SUVs because it’s strong for towing and rough use.
Ford F-Series is Ford’s lineup of full-size pickup trucks. The podcast says sales are down about 11%. That’s included to show how Ford’s truck demand is changing.
GM is short for General Motors, a major car company. Here they’re being mentioned because their truck sales are dropping, and that matters for the market.
Electrified vehicles are cars or trucks that use electricity in the power system, like hybrids or fully electric models. The hosts are saying GM has more of these options than Ford.
The Ford F-Series is Ford’s main line of pickup trucks. When sales for it drop by a lot, it’s a big deal because pickups like these are a huge part of Ford’s business.
Supplier issues mean problems with companies that provide parts or materials to the car maker. If those parts don’t show up, the factory can’t build as many vehicles.
Aluminum suppliers are businesses that make or provide aluminum parts/materials for cars. If something goes wrong at one of them, the automaker may not be able to build as many trucks.
Dealer lots are where car dealers keep the cars they’re selling. The point here is that even with problems, there are still F-Series trucks available at dealerships.
A “four by four” truck is one where all four wheels can get power. That usually makes it better for slippery or rough roads, like snow, dirt, or trails.
The Ford F-150 is a very popular full-size pickup truck. The host mentions it because they’re seeing lots of them around, which hints at how truck demand and inventory are shifting.
The GMC Sierra 1500 is GMC’s big pickup truck. The host says Sierra sales are doing better than Silverado’s, especially because the 1500 version is selling well.
The Chevrolet Silverado is a large pickup truck. It’s important in the market because many people buy it, so its sales trends are a big signal of what truck shoppers are doing. The podcast mentions that its sales were down compared with the prior period.
The Chevrolet Silverado 1500 is a mainstream full-size pickup truck. The host says sales for it are slipping, and that new model changes can cause a short-term slowdown.
“Retooling” is when a factory changes its production setup to build a new vehicle or updated parts. When that happens mid-cycle, it can create a temporary slowdown because the line has to switch over to the new components.
The Ram 1500 is a large pickup truck. The podcast is saying it’s selling strongly right now. That’s why it’s included in the discussion about which trucks are doing well.
“Hemi” is a nickname for a type of V8 engine design. It’s known for making strong power and feeling responsive, which is why people get excited when it’s offered again.
The Ram TRX is the extreme, performance version of the Ram 1500. It’s the kind of truck people buy for big power and off-road capability, and the hosts think it could help sales later.
A factory warranty is the coverage the carmaker offers when you buy the truck. If the warranty is longer or better, it can make buyers feel safer and more likely to purchase.
The Toyota Tundra is Toyota’s big pickup truck. Here, the hosts say its sales haven’t changed much year to year, but it’s still selling less than the closest major U.S. competitor.
An engine recall means the company says there’s a problem with the engine that needs fixing. Owners are usually asked to get the repair done, and the hosts say it doesn’t seem to be scaring buyers away here.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is Ford’s electric pickup. The hosts say it was discontinued, but there were still sales because some trucks were left on lots, and they expect a future version with extended range.
A “range extended” electric truck is designed to go farther than a normal EV. It usually adds a backup way to make electricity when the battery gets low.
The Hummer EV is GMC’s electric vehicle known for being big and flashy. The hosts say it’s selling much worse lately, partly because it’s very expensive.
The Hummer EV SUV is an electric SUV. The podcast says its sales dropped a lot compared with the prior period. That’s why it’s brought up in a discussion about EVs and what people are buying.
A “status symbol” is something you buy to show off your status. The hosts are saying the Hummer EV may be bought more for image than for value, which can make sales drop.
The Silverado EV is an electric pickup truck version of the Chevy Silverado. They’re talking about how many are being sold and that sales have dropped compared to the prior year.
The Sierra EV is GMC’s electric pickup truck. In this part, they say its sales are doing a bit better than the Silverado EV, even if the difference is small.
This is the category of mid-size pickup trucks—bigger than the smallest trucks, but not as large as full-size pickups. The episode is using this category to talk about which trucks are selling best.
Q2 of 2026 is just a specific three-month period in 2026 (the second quarter). They’re using it so the sales numbers are comparable to the same time period last year.
The GMC Canyon Crew Cab is a midsize pickup truck with a larger back seat area. The podcast says its sales are doing better than some other similar trucks. It’s mentioned as a model that’s gaining traction.
A “6.4 liter V8” is a big gas engine with eight cylinders. The “6.4 liter” part tells you it’s a large engine, and “V8” means the cylinders are arranged in a V shape.
The Nissan Frontier is a mid-size pickup truck. The hosts say it sold a lot more than last year, which is why they’re impressed with Nissan’s momentum.
A value proposition is basically the reason a buyer thinks a product is worth it. Here, they’re saying Nissan is offering a deal that makes people want the Frontier.
Trim levels are different versions of the same truck with different features. The hosts say Nissan is planning more versions for 2027, including a sportier option.
The Ford Ranger is a mid-size pickup truck. They’re talking about its sales falling, and comparing it to another truck (the Nissan Frontier) to show how it’s doing versus competitors.
The Jeep Wrangler 392 is a Wrangler with a big V8 engine. People notice it most for the loud, deep sound and the way it feels different from regular Wranglers.
The Dodge Power Wagon is a tougher, off-road version of a pickup truck. It’s made for people who want to drive on rough terrain and use the truck in demanding conditions. The podcast mentions it because it was being driven and stands out as an off-road option.
A V8 is a type of engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. People often like V8s because they usually pull strongly at low speeds and sound great.
The Ford Maverick is a smaller pickup truck than most traditional trucks. Here, they’re talking about how many are being sold and whether sales are rising or falling.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a smaller vehicle with pickup-like utility. In this segment, they say sales are dropping a lot and that Hyundai plans to stop making it after this year.
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Ford electric truck
They’re talking about a future Ford electric pickup that’s expected to start around $30,000. The point is how Ford plans to sell it in a more normal, straightforward way compared with a different electric truck that’s more DIY and limited in options.
“A la carte options” means you pick features one-by-one instead of choosing from a few set packages. They’re using it to describe how one truck is ordered more like customizing a build than buying a fixed trim.
Rear-wheel drive means the power goes to the back wheels. They mention it because one truck is limited to rear-wheel drive only, which affects how it feels and how it’s configured.
Charging refers to how an electric vehicle replenishes its battery using an external power source. The host notes that charging can be a challenge for some of these vehicles, which matters for EV usability in daily driving and commercial fleet schedules.
A fleet is when a company uses vehicles for work—like deliveries, service calls, or rides. The host is saying these trucks might fit that kind of business use.
Slate sounds like a newer company making trucks, and the host is comparing how it sells and supports vehicles versus Ford. The key point is that Slate doesn’t have dealerships, so it relies more on partnerships with repair shops.
Tesla is a company that makes electric vehicles. In this conversation, Tesla is mentioned as the company that pushed other automakers to react by building their own electric trucks.
The Tesla Cybertruck is Tesla’s electric pickup. It’s famous for its unusual look, and the point here is that it forced other truck makers to react with electric models too.
A compact truck is a smaller pickup than the big full-size ones. The hosts are talking about this smaller category as the one that might try to beat the Maverick.
These are medium-sized pickup trucks built to handle dirt roads and rough terrain. They’re comparing them to see which one still feels best when you’re driving on regular roads.
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck that many people are familiar with. The podcast is talking about truck choices and how different trucks compare for everyday driving. It’s included because it’s a common benchmark truck in these discussions.
Powertrain is the set of parts that make the car move—like the engine and how it sends power to the wheels. They’re saying the Raptor’s powertrain is the big reason it feels quicker.
The Toyota Tacoma ZR2 is an off-road trim. In this discussion, they’re saying it’s not as smooth or exciting-sounding as the Raptor’s engine, partly because it typically uses a four-cylinder.
A twin-turbo V6 is a six-cylinder engine that uses two turbochargers to make more power. Turbos help the engine feel stronger, especially when you press the gas.
A performance tune is an engine calibration update (often via the ECU) that changes parameters like fuel, ignition, and boost targets to increase output. The hosts say their Ford performance tune is what helped the Raptor reach the specific horsepower and torque numbers they quote.
Torque is the engine’s twisting force. More torque usually means the truck feels stronger when you start moving or when you press the gas.
Term
adjust those shocks
Adjustable shocks let you change suspension damping behavior to suit different driving conditions. The hosts mention that the Raptor’s shocks can be adjusted a bit, but also that some versions are factory-set, affecting how much tuning you can do.
Term
DSS fees
“DSS fees” appears to be a transcription error for a suspension/shock-related acronym or component name. The context suggests the shocks/damping are factory-set, meaning the truck’s ride tuning is largely predetermined rather than fully user-adjustable.
TRD Pro is Toyota’s off-road package. It usually includes upgraded suspension and other parts meant to handle rough roads better.
Car
Ford Raptor
The Ford Raptor is a special off-road version of Ford’s pickup. It’s meant to handle rough trails, and the hosts are saying it sells better when it’s easier to find and when the price feels worth it.
The Ranger Raptor is the off-road, more powerful version of the Ford Ranger. The hosts are basically saying it can be a better deal than some other off-road trucks because it costs less while still offering serious off-road gear.
The Colorado ZR2 is Chevy’s off-road version of the Colorado. The hosts say it can be a better choice if you don’t need the Raptor’s top-end power, because it sits higher and may be easier to keep from scraping on rocks.
The Tacoma TRD Pro is Toyota’s top off-road version of the Tacoma. In this segment, it’s mainly mentioned as the benchmark that the Ranger Raptor undercuts in price.
A front locker helps both front wheels work together when you’re off-road. If one wheel starts slipping, the locker helps transfer power to the wheel that has grip.
A “rock roller” is an off-road truck that’s good at slowly climbing over rocks. The hosts are saying the Colorado ZR2 might be better at that because it sits higher.
EV chargers are the stations or wall units that plug into your electric car to add battery power. Where you can charge matters a lot—charging at your own parking spot is usually easier than relying on public chargers.
A dedicated charger means your own charging spot or charger that’s meant for you. That makes charging more reliable because you’re not waiting for other people to finish.
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EV thing
They’re talking about what it’s like to own an electric car in real life. If you can charge easily where you live, it’s usually a lot less stressful.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is an SUV that’s meant to be comfortable for daily driving but can also handle rougher roads. The podcast brings it up while talking about Jeep SUV models in general. It’s part of the lineup people consider when shopping for a Jeep SUV.
The GMC Yukon XL is a bigger, longer version of the Yukon. It’s basically made for more room for people and luggage, and the hosts are pointing out that sales have been dropping.
The Chevrolet Suburban is a big family SUV with lots of room. The discussion is about how many were sold recently, and that sales were down compared to the prior period.
The Cadillac Escalade is a large luxury SUV. In this segment, it’s mentioned because its sales were also down, showing the slowdown isn’t only affecting cheaper models.
The Chevrolet Tahoe is a big, popular SUV. The hosts mention it because it’s selling strongly compared with other full-size SUVs, even while the overall category is down.
The Ford Expedition is a large family SUV from Ford. The hosts are saying its sales dropped a lot, which helps explain why the overall full-size SUV category is declining.
The Ford Bronco is Ford’s rugged, off-road SUV. The hosts say it’s doing better than other Ford models lately, which is why they call it a bright spot.
Truck-based SUVs are SUVs that share their basic structure with pickup trucks. In this segment, the hosts are saying sales for this kind of SUV are dropping.
Stellantis is the company behind multiple car brands, including Jeep and Ram. The hosts are talking about how some of those brands are doing better than others.
The Jeep Grand Wagoneer is a big, family-sized luxury SUV with three rows of seats. Here, the hosts point to it because its sales rose a lot compared to other similar vehicles.
The Jeep Wagoneer is a large Jeep SUV, usually smaller than the Grand Wagoneer. The hosts are saying Jeep changed the naming so shoppers would know what they’re buying, including a longer “L” version.
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branding dispute over calling it a Jeep
They talk about how the company wanted people to refer to the Grand Wagoneer—Jeep or Wagoneer. The story is basically about marketing and branding changes after the launch.
Jeep.com is Jeep’s website where you can set up and price vehicles. The host is using it to make the point that the truck/SUV is marketed and sold as part of Jeep.
The window sticker is the label on the car’s window that shows important info for buyers. Here it’s being used to show the car was officially identified as a Jeep.
A hybrid uses a gas engine and an electric motor together. The electric part helps the car use less fuel, and the hosts say Toyota is still prioritizing hybrids.
A range extender is a backup gas engine that helps make electricity when the battery gets low. It’s there to help the car go farther without you having to plug it in as often.
The Lincoln Navigator is a large luxury SUV. The hosts are using it as an example of a model whose sales have dropped compared with the previous period.
The Infiniti QX80 is a big luxury SUV. The hosts say it’s doing well in sales, with an increase of about 18%.
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Dude, the numbers are in and I want to talk about this because who makes the most popular
truck and who doesn't?
Yeah, also who makes the most popular SUV?
The answer probably won't surprise you.
And there are some big winners and losers with the sales data that we have from the
previous quarter.
Yeah, so Q2 numbers are in basically the first half of this year.
Can you believe we're already done with the first half?
I know.
Yeah, it's flying.
The time is moving fast.
But there's also a couple of news items and I'm still, okay, I know it sucks.
I'm still in the search for my next truck.
Yeah, so we are actually actively going to shop around a little bit in this episode, see
what truck Andre might end up with soon.
We should start out with the sales figures.
Yeah, because I compiled all the numbers.
We had basically press releases from every manufacturer.
But what we're focusing on here, this is TFR talking trucks.
We're focused on midsize trucks, compact, full size, heavy duties, all of that stuff.
Also the SUVs we're talking about are only truck based.
Body on frame.
Body on frame.
So like Tahoe Expedition Sequoia.
Big ones.
Yes.
Big boys.
We're not going to talk about like Broncos and Wranglers because Roman and Tommy can
talk about that.
It's for those car guys.
Yeah.
So where do you want to start?
Full size.
Yeah, full size.
Let's do it.
Because I'm sorry, I wrote kind of a sad headline.
It's looking bleak.
But if you scroll down and if you look at the numbers, this is coming from tfltruck.com.
So if you want to see a little bit more detail, you could always go there.
We really appreciate it.
And here's the numbers.
So overall, if you look at the bottom of this chart, the total, and this is including heavy
duties, the total segment for full size pickups was down 3.3%.
So that's not looking super hot.
Yeah.
So the whole market is down a little bit from the same quarter in 2025 to now.
So that's what we're comparing against when we're talking about percentage change last
year to this year.
So Q2 2025 to Q2 2026.
The GM combined truck sales between Chevy and GMC are still in the lead.
So this past quarter they sold up, if admittedly still very impressive, 240,000 trucks between
the brands.
But that's down a little bit compared to 247,000 for the same quarter last year.
Yeah.
So that's interesting.
And if you dig into the numbers a little bit more, the Sierra 1500 is actually still
very strong.
It's still gaining some sales.
You won't see kind of that breakdown here on this page, but I just memorized all the
numbers in my head.
So but the heavy duty GMCs and Sierra are not doing so well.
Yeah.
So they're down a bit 2.8%.
It's not massive.
As far as F-Series trucks go, is that a typo for 2025 or did GM and Ford sell the same
number?
Oh, that might be a typo.
Yeah.
That's okay.
But Ford F-Series trucks are down about 11%.
Yes.
That is a correct number.
Yeah.
That's a correct number.
So they're down more than GM.
GM is down 2.8%.
Ford is down 11%.
But still sold almost 200,000 trucks, about 198,000 total.
Yeah.
So that's, I mean, we have to dig into this, right?
Because for both, well, maybe Ford is more.
So like trucks is their main bread and butter, right?
GM has a little bit more, I guess, reach because they're doing a little bit more electrified
vehicles and they're a little bit maybe more broad as far as their coverage.
Neither one of them are selling like small cars, right?
Yeah.
So the Ford walked away from cars actually many years ago.
GM also walked away from most of their small cars.
They have some small crossovers, of course.
But if the Ford F-Series is down like 11%, that should be a big deal.
Like it's a humongous deal.
It is.
And it's something worth talking about a little bit because Andre and I were just talking
about some of the supplier issues that Ford has had.
They were having an issue with one of their aluminum suppliers.
Yeah.
There was a fire at the aluminum facility.
But at the same time, it still seems like, as you pointed out earlier, there is still
stock of F-Series trucks on dealer lots.
So it's not like you can't get your hands on one.
Yeah.
And we're kind of really this region, we're around Denver, Colorado.
We're very like four by four pickup truck focused here because everybody loves adventure
and trying to go out into the wild, into the mountains.
So when I drive, not just by one dealership, but several like along I-25, you usually see
a lot of F-150s and Superduties hanging out new trucks.
It's not like the lots are empty or something else is going on.
So there may be other reasons for this.
And of course, each region may be different from another region.
But this is troubling.
And I'm hoping that Ford and also GM can turn this around.
The Silverado sales were down about 7.3 percent.
The Sierra was up and mostly think the Sierra was up because of 1500s.
But both Chevy Silverado 1500 and Sierra 1500 are having new trucks come out.
Yeah.
So usually what happens then is some people may wait until the new truck arrives, so they
may delay their purchase or the factory has to turn over.
The factory has to like retool maybe partially for some of the new parts.
So there could be a little slowdown because of that.
And even though Silverado sales are down a little bit and Sierra sales are up, the Silverado
still sells about 50 percent more trucks than the Sierra does.
So it's about 95,000 compared to 145,000 for this past quarter.
There is a bright spot, though, as far as RAM trucks are concerned, because they
sold 110,000 trucks for this past quarter versus 95,000 previously.
So they're up about 14 percent.
Yeah, that's really great news.
And I think that's mostly coming also, well, not I think.
I know it's coming from the 1500 lineup.
So the heavy duty RAMs are about even a quarter to quarter.
So there's not a lot of motion there.
But RAM 1500s are really kind of on fire right now.
And I think it's mostly has to do with the Hemi coming back.
I mean, because that was the biggest change from previous years.
Yeah, so people are loving the Hemi.
And then, you know, obviously we're excited for the TRX and the Rumblebee trucks that
are upcoming, those are going to take a little while to impact any sales figures
because we're a ways out from actually getting those trucks and dealers.
But once they do, that could potentially have an impact as well.
There could be more excitement there as well.
And also what RAM has been doing is they were increasing their factory warranties.
And maybe that's also enticing some people to come in and buy maybe more RAM trucks.
So that's really good stuff.
What about Tundra, though?
Tundra is pretty consistent.
It hasn't changed much.
It was 39,400 for Q2 2025 and 39,750 for Q2 2026.
So very little change with the Tundra from last year to this year for that same quarter.
But still, Tundra sales quite a bit behind even the next closest seller from one of the
big three here in the States.
Yeah, and I was a little bit worried, you know, when we've been looking at all the news
with the Tundra engine recall, but it looks like it's not affecting their sales in a big way.
So I guess that's good news for Toyota, right, in general.
And, you know, they're addressing those problems and the people are still coming in
and purchasing some new Tundras.
I also had to break down a little bit in this chart about how the hybrids are doing or not
doing and also some of the electric trucks for discontinued the F-150 Lightning.
So that should come back in a couple years as a range extended truck.
We still don't know many details about that.
But the Hummer EV is down significantly on sales.
Yeah, down 57% basically for the 4500 units in Q2 2025, which is already not that many units.
Now the 2400 units.
So the oh, no, sorry.
On 1900.
1900 because I was looking at the lightning.
Yeah, even though the lightning has been discontinued, the lightning sold 2400 units
which is more past quarter, which is more than the Hummer EV.
It's also more than the Silverado EV or the Sierra EV.
Yeah, so there's well, so I think there were a lot of F-150 Lightning still left over on lots
and people, you know, finding ways to buy them and find them.
And there may be some deals to be had.
Hummer EV I think has one problem is that they're super expensive.
They're basically status symbols, you know, these big powerful vehicles.
You know, remember, we reviewed the Carbon Edition, which had like carbon fiber wheels,
which were insane and just very expensive vehicles.
And maybe the appetite for those vehicles, especially electrically speaking, is not quite there.
And even so, the Silverado EV being theoretically more affordable, at least, only sells a couple
hundred more units.
So yeah, Silverado EV was down about 26 percent.
Sierra EV was up a bit, but only by about 200 trucks.
Yeah, that's interesting.
And I think that may has to do like the Sierra EV doing growing sales versus declining.
I think maybe has something to do with the, it just, in my opinion, it looks better.
You know, it has a little bit more traditional look to it, rather than this Silverado EV is
a little bit more kind of blobby.
It's a little bit more like a jelly bean.
Yeah.
And the Sierra is a little bit more upfront.
So overall, truck sales for full size and HD pickups for Q2 of 2025, they sold about
600 and eight, almost 609,000 trucks total.
But for the same quarter of 2026, it was about 589,000 trucks.
So yeah, a couple of tens of thousands of trucks less.
Yeah.
So yeah, let us know what you think about this and also which truck maybe you're looking
at at buying.
We'll talk about what I'm looking at a little bit later in the show.
And also thank you guys for joining us on patreon.com slash TFL car.
Yeah.
And there's a live, you can comment, you can ask us questions.
We can get to some of your comments and questions, maybe a little bit later in the show.
So just please just wait just a few more minutes and we'll get to some of those
comments and questions.
Yeah, we'll talk about a little bit, but we can talk first about some midsize
truck sales, because this is also a pretty important category of trucks.
Obviously, lots of midsize trucks that get sold.
And as always, the big winner in this category is the Tacoma.
So that's that's been pretty consistent.
And it's really, it's not even close.
Yeah.
And it's always Tacoma, Tacoma, Tacoma.
And actually overall, the midsize pickup truck segment has been growing still,
even in this second quarter of 2026, it was up almost 2% versus previous year.
So and I think that's a testament for like those trucks are a little bit more compact.
A lot of people like them because they can put them in their garages
and they can fit in some most garages and also a little bit less expensive,
right, than some of the full sizers.
And who knows, maybe fuel prices over the last couple of months could have
impacted that a little bit, but it's about 170,000 midsize trucks sold total
for Q2 of 2026.
So well under the figure that we were just looking at, but the Tacoma sold
about 75,000 trucks, which is actually a 5% increase.
So the Tacoma is doing very well.
And Tacoma is on a surge.
I mean, there, I think, I think that the record year 2025 overall, I think
they sold like 270,000 Tacomas and they're on a pace to out, out do that this year.
So whatever Tacoma is doing, people are liking.
So pretty soon it's going to be maybe even selling more than Sierra's, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then GM trucks combined in the midsize segment didn't change a whole lot.
They sold about 37,000 combined between GMC and Chevy.
So around half of what the Tacoma sold.
And that's, that's the next closest competitor.
But interestingly, kind of like with the full size and heavy duty trucks,
the Chevy trucks sales are a little down and the GMC Canyon sales are a bit up,
even though the Colorado still overall outsold the Canyon.
They sold about 26,000 Colorado's and 11,000 canyons.
But the Canyon's a bit up versus last year and the Colorado's a bit down.
So GMC has had a pretty good year.
Yeah, this is puzzling, though, because when you and I compare Colorado versus
Canyon, the Canyon is always like several thousand dollars more expensive.
It's a little bit more premium.
You know, it has a different brand image.
And like 84X is actually, we just sold our 84X traded it in.
So we published a video about it.
Yeah.
And we bought something even more interesting.
I think we traded it in for a Wrangler with a big old 6.4 liter V8.
So as much as I liked our Canyon, the Wrangler is cooler.
Hands down.
Can we say this?
Can we claim the GMC Canyon increase in sales just to TFL truck?
Because we talked about GMC Canyon so much.
It's, uh, let's say yes.
But we can't prove that we can't and nor nor should we try to because I don't
think it would help our argument.
But, but it is puzzling that the Colorado is down and the Canyon is up that much.
I mean, the Canyon is up almost 22%.
It is.
So the other big shocker here is that the Nissan Frontier sold the Ford Ranger.
So after the GM trucks and the Colorado, the next biggest seller is the Nissan
Frontier, which sold almost 22,000 units, which is up about 35% over last year,
which is pretty impressive.
Yeah.
Nissan is doing great.
I think they have the value proposition, right?
So they're adding a few more options, trim levels for 2027.
There's a new, uh, sporty trim level that we recently saw in Arizona.
So I think Nissan is really doing really well and they should continue to do well.
And I think Chevy should take notice here because they're, they're, they're
almost going to pass them soon.
They are.
They're closing in.
Yeah.
Uh, that's interesting.
The Ranger by comparison is down about 10%.
So, so far, Ford has been down across the board.
The F series is down and the Ranger is down.
Yeah.
This, there's something happening there.
That's not good.
And they went from 18,000 Ranger sold to 16.
So they're really well under the Nissan frontier.
Yeah.
And then if you look down a little bit more, of course, there's the Canyon word
discussed that, uh, the Ridgeline is also right below Ranger, right?
Um, sold about 12 and a half thousand and it's down, but the Ridgeline is also
being put on pause, right?
So for 2027 Honda said that they're not going to basically produce Ridgelines
and they're, they should come back strong the following year, maybe even with
different powertrains.
Exactly.
So they're going to rework the powertrain a little bit.
I think that that's a, a welcome improvement because the Ridgeline is at
this point getting fairly dated and speaking of dated.
Uh, the gladiator, the Jeep gladiator, which is down about 33% from 13,000 sold
to 9,000 sold.
So on this list, the gladiator is the only one that is under 10,000 sold.
In fact, the hybrid Tacoma specifically split off from just the Tacoma in
general, they sold more hybrid Tacomas than Jeep gladiators full stop.
Yeah.
Now hopefully we'll see at some point in the future, a 392 gladiator and maybe
that'll spice things up a little bit.
That would certainly be a very expensive mid-sized truck, but
it could spice things up, but a really cool one.
Yeah, it's amazing.
When we, we just off-roaded the Wrangler 392, I was driving a different
truck, the power wagon behind you guys, another 64 Hemi.
Yeah, but, but the Jeeps 392 Hemi sounded way better and I mean, just that
low rumble that it emits, it's just, it's just amazing.
Yeah, it's like a big boat.
That 392 in the Wrangler is loud and it completely changes the whole
character of the vehicle.
So if they drop that motor in the gladiator, that would get me a lot
more excited by the gladiator.
I can't spend $80,000, $90,000 on one, but it would be cool.
But they've been teasing us long enough to when is it coming?
Come on Jeep.
They gotta do something.
I know they're doing drops every month, you know, they're doing new
special editions and stuff like that.
But we need more than drops.
We need like a new vehicle.
Yeah, we need more than a special edition or a color scheme.
We need a gladiator with a big, angry V8 in it because it's been, it's been
too long since we've had a V8 in a, in the midsize of a truck, in a truck
that's more or less midsize gladiator.
We do lump in here.
It's all, it's a little big, longer than the coma.
I mean, it's a little longer than most of these, but in terms of towing
capabilities, payload and all that, it fits squarely.
Yeah, totally.
So the midsize trucks overall are still doing pretty well, not, you know,
still up.
So scroll down just a little bit because the Ford Maverick, how can we
forget the Maverick dude?
Yeah, it's doing, well, it's about even.
So maybe we've reached the point where everybody who really wanted the Maverick
already is kind of getting one.
So it's not growing in sales, but there's still big numbers, right?
47,000, almost 48,000 for the quarter.
That's a lot of numbers.
Yeah, technically the Maverick is down 0.4%.
So we're keeping our streak of four products being down, going, if that matters
to you, they're only down by a couple hundred trucks, but the Maverick, big,
big seller, especially compared to the Santa Cruz, which is down 28% from only
7,500 units last year for this quarter to 5,400 for 2026.
So the Maverick is selling almost 10x the Santa Cruz.
Yeah.
And the Santa Cruz is being discontinued after this year as well.
So Santa Cruz is kind of exiting this market.
Um, but if you look at the numbers Maverick selling about 48,000 trucks,
got little small trucks, that's almost three times of what Ford sold Rangers.
Yeah.
So maybe the Maverick is eating Rangers lunch at this point.
Um, it's possible.
Could be.
Yeah.
The Maverick needs some more serious competitors out there because, uh,
obviously that, that truck is killing it.
So I think maybe before we go to SUVs, we should answer a couple of questions.
Yeah.
Do you want to?
That we saw.
Okay.
The first of which is about Ford's compact electric truck that we've been
seeing some prototype images of and Don is asking, what do you think sales will
look like for the upcoming $30,000 Ford electric truck compared to the slate?
It's an interesting question because Ford's truck is going to be a much
more traditional approach to it.
It's going to have four doors.
Um, and I think the, the, I would guess that the specs, the production line,
the way that you equip this truck would be more traditional than what the slate
is doing, which is a very much a la carte options list for that vehicle and very
much DIY and they come unpainted and it's two door and rear wheel drive only.
So I think this truck is going to have a more traditional approach that maybe to
some extent we'll have a larger audience because it's a four door and obviously
four door truck sales way exceed two door.
Yeah.
But at the same time, I think Slate's different approach to building a truck
and equipping it has some people excited.
So there's the potential that that excitement around the slate and how DIY
it is could be swaying some people in that direction.
So I think it's really up in the air.
It's, it's a tough call.
And I think a year from now, when we're sitting here in this room, we'll
know more about this.
But my comment about this is, first of all, we don't know a lot about the Ford yet.
I mean, we know what it looks like.
It's, it's, we, we estimated, yeah, sort of because it's camouflaged.
We estimated the size.
It should be have about the same wheelbase as a Maverick and about the same
overall dimensions as a Toyota RAV4, which means it's pretty short.
It's not a very big vehicle at all.
It's 18 inches smaller than the Maverick as far as length is concerned,
which could have a lot of positive effects.
For example, for big cities, people might love this because easy to park, easy
to maneuver, same thing for Slate, right?
Same comments, very small, easy to maneuver, very efficient, but they're both
electric, right?
So if you're living in a tall apartment building on the 22nd floor or whatever,
how are you going to charge it?
You may have some, you know, challenges with charging some of these vehicles.
These vehicles, both of them could also be great for fleets.
You know, just maybe even, I don't know, you could even run Uber in one, I guess,
as far as maybe this Ford, more so the Ford than the Slate.
The Slate would be hard for Uber duty, but good for part moving parts, probably
for sure, our store.
So it's a really hard call.
But I think Ford, gosh, I mean, they've been down on sales, like we just
discussed, and, um, but they usually don't back down.
I mean, they're, they're, they're the big gorilla right in the room.
And like when Tesla challenged them with the Cybertruck news, they came out
like two years later with the lightning and they were very, you know, very
powerful with their answer.
So whatever Slate throws at Ford, I'm sure Ford will stand up and
well, dude, Ford has like over 3000 dealerships in the country.
Slate has zero, which is pretty huge.
And also I know Slate is doing partnerships, you know, with shops
and mechanics and like all the other stuff.
But, but Ford has an established marketplace, the established dealership network.
But I also hear a lot more buzz about the slate than I do about this Ford
truck. Admittedly, there's not that much to buzz about with this Ford truck.
Well, we don't know its name.
Yeah, we, yeah, exactly.
We don't even know what it's called.
So once we get more information, there might be some more excitement
around this truck, but it will be interesting to see the two duke it out.
Who between them is going to do better.
It's hard to say, but I, I do think it's going to take a lot for any compact
and more affordable truck to dethrone the Maverick because the Maverick
is, is pretty well established.
Well, you saw that like 48,000 a quarter.
I mean, that's approaching 200,000 vehicles a year.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that those are huge numbers and whatever Ford is doing or
Slate is doing, that's going to be hard to beat.
It's, it's, yeah, it's going to be hard for Ford to one up themselves.
And it's going to be hard for any other manufacturer, even Toyota, to make
a compact truck that's going to dethrone the Maverick because it is pretty
well established, but certainly not impossible.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's a tough question done.
And then I think we had one other comment.
Yeah.
Is there a couple of others?
Let's see.
We'll Nathan, Nathan, Mura's here and Elliot is here.
So thank you guys.
Which midsize off-road trucks here to Raptor or tier D pro is the best on road?
I have an answer for that.
I don't know if you, well, you probably agree.
I have, I might agree with you.
Do you want to take this first Raptor Raptor?
Yeah.
So Raptor, largely because of the powertrain, because both the ZR two and
of course any version of the Tacoma are four cylinder trucks.
They're a little bit more coarse and those engines don't sound incredible in
any configuration.
The Raptor on the other hand, that truck, the twin turbo V six in it sounds
pretty great and the amount of additional power in torque, especially if you
do that Ford performance tune that we did on ours to get 455 horsepower and
536 pound feet of torque in a midsize truck makes it an absolute rocket ship.
And that also makes it a blast when you drive it on the road.
Of course, the ride quality on the Raptor is also phenomenal.
It's as good as anybody's.
So you could adjust those shocks and the 02 shocks are kind of set.
I mean, those DSS fees, they're set at the factory and that's what you get.
And that's the Raptor has the TRD pro.
Yes, you could adjust those shocks a little bit, but overall speaking, I just
like the Raptor just personally, you know, I like the seats that it has.
I like the ride and the power is fun.
I mean, you could kind of go slowly, but when you need to punch it, I mean,
the Raptor is pretty amazing.
I compared compared to the other two compared to the ZR two in that TRD
pro Tacoma, the Raptor has another turbo, two more cylinders, two more gears
in the transmission, more horsepower and more torque, especially with that Ford
performance tune.
And they're hard to get.
So gosh, maybe we just talked about ranger sales being down, right?
I mean, if for, I don't know if the Ford wants to produce maybe a little bit
more Raptors, if they did, and if they were easier to get, because our local
dealers almost never have a Raptor on sale.
So if they had a little bit more of those, I think they could see their sales improve
actually.
And I also got to say, just in terms of a value proposition, if you can call
anything that's almost $60,000 hers in a midsize truck, if you can call that a
value proposition, which in this day and age, I mean, that's just kind of where
we're at the fact that the Raptor costs about the same as that, at least our AT
forex did.
It's a little, it's more expensive than a base version of a Colorado ZR2.
So you are going to spend some extra money to get that extra power performance.
But the, the Ranger Raptor is less expensive than a TRD Pro Tacoma still
by considerably a pretty good margin.
Plus you get that front locker, which is also a nice thing to have off road.
So I think the Raptor represents pretty good value.
If you want a better rock roller, you could save some money, get the Colorado
ZR2 and if you don't care so much about that all out power and performance,
the ZR2 sits up a little higher.
And I think it's a better rock roller because a Raptor sits a little low
and those side steps are not, not the best for rubbing against rocks.
As we found out, we did it as we found out.
Yeah.
So that's that little rant.
Okay.
So Elliot is also mentioning, I talked about like big cities, hard to charge,
right?
Yeah.
He's just mentioning that a lot of renovated buildings, heavy V chargers
built in or even in the rentals.
Yeah.
I guess it depends the city on city or neighborhood on neighborhood, but,
but in general, like if you're living in like a three or four story
apartment complex, right?
There, you may have more options because there may be a little bit more parking.
It's possible, but not always convenient.
If you can have your own dedicated charger in your own parking space in a garage,
something like that, that, that you know is there and accessible to you all the
time, then that's just a much more predictable and convenient way to do it.
So I don't know that, that always makes the EV thing just better.
A little tricky, a little tricky there.
All right.
So should we hit a little bit more SUV and then we've got to go to auto tempest.com
because I'm looking for a truck.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So starting off, Oh, this, this was a news item.
Well, let's do a CVs first.
Yeah.
So we'll talk about sales on SUVs.
Of course, as per usual, the big winners are the Tahoe.
The leaders, uh, GM has been controlling the segment like Tacoma controls the mid
size pickup truck segment GM with the Chevy GMC and a Cadillac.
They control the big SUV segment and we're not actually put the comment in here
as well on TFL truck.com.
We don't, we're not talking about like the German manufacturers here because
like the GLS or the X seven, um, a lot of those SUVs you could also talk about,
but they're not really pickup truck based.
Exactly.
We're talking about like truck based body on frame, uh, vehicles here.
Yep.
And Tahoe and Yukon, those are the two big sellers.
Tahoe did about 27,000 and the Yukon did about, well, actually almost 28,000 and
the Yukon did about 24,000.
Both of them are down.
Tahoe's down about 8%.
Yukon's down about 4%.
Again, I would imagine that fuel pricing probably had some impact.
Well, a lot of these vehicles, including even the Jeep Grand Wagonier and the
suburban and the, well, not so much Sequoia, but some of those bigger SUVs are
usually fleet SUVs as well.
Yeah.
So there is a kind of a mix, uh, many, of course, families by them as well.
But, but you always see them at like airports, you know, running shuttles at hotels.
Um, so there could be a variety of different purposes for these big, uh,
luxurious vehicles.
Yukon sales include the Yukon XL, which is a suburban version of it basically.
And the suburban name is broken out separately.
They sold about 13,000 suburban's last quarter, which was down 20%.
So all the way across the board, even the Cadillac was down.
Cadillac escalate was down about 6%.
So all across the board, GM was struggling last quarter.
Yeah.
And, and in general, total full size SUV sales are down about 6.6% from 150,000 to
140,000.
So it's reflective of the whole industry, but after Yukon and Tahoe sales, which
are at the top, not in that order, Tahoe first, then Yukon, then expedition
below it sold about 23,000, which is down quite a bit down about 27%.
So yeah, I mean Ford with their body on frame sales are, are down a lot.
I will say, even though we're, we're not focusing on it, Bronco sales did
surpass the regular, yeah, for, for the quarter, for the second quarter.
Is that the first time?
I think that was the first time, like the Wrangler still has a lead overall for
the year for the whole year.
But, but the trend is towards Bronco, Bronco is getting a lot of notice right now.
So there is a bright spot there for Ford.
But as far as what we're talking about with trucks and truck based SUVs, a lot
of those sales are down.
Yeah, which is puzzling.
And yeah, hopefully they can turn this ship around and get it because it's, you
know, I always root for the underdog, you know, we're looking at some of these
numbers and the expedition could have taken a number two spot easily, right?
There are about a thousand vehicles off the Yukon, yet they were down so much
they kind of slid down, you know, so it's always like a weird to see some of those
changes.
Yeah.
And then another bright spot for Stellantis, because we were talking about
the Ram 1500 doing well, obviously the Gladiator didn't do so well when we were
talking midsize trucks, but surprisingly the Jeep Grand Wagoneer did much better.
So it went from 9,500 Grand Wagoneer sold Q2 of 2025 to about 15,000 for this
past quarter, huge increase.
Yeah, 56% increase.
Yeah.
And I don't have a like much of an explanation explanation for that, other
than to say that they refocused it, right?
So remember, there was a Wagoneer and a Grand Wagoneer.
It was a little bit confusing, you know, do I buy a regular Wagoneer or what
does it mean if I buy a Grand Wagoneer and how do they differ?
So I think even Jeep recognized it and they said, you know what, we're going to
just name all of them Grand Wagoneer.
There's going to be the L version, which is like the suburban size, you know,
long wheelbase, a long version of it.
And we're going to, you know, refocus some of the trim levels and it seems like
it's working, right?
I remember years ago we went on the launch for the Grand Wagoneer in New York City.
Yeah.
Which is a little odd, but I kind of get what they're going for because it's
more luxurious vehicle, but I remember they got mad at you that you called it a
Jeep because at that time they try and we weren't supposed to call it a Jeep.
You're trying to make it a Wagoneer and not a Jeep, but they've backtracked from
that.
Yes.
And they put a Jeep badge on it.
Yeah.
So we won.
So you were just ahead of the curve basically.
Thank you.
Well, no, but where I was coming from is like, you go to Jeep.com.
To configure a Wagoneer, right?
And you go to a Jeep dealership to buy one.
So if it walks and talks like a Jeep, it probably is a Jeep.
The Jeep style grill.
And if you looked at the window sticker, it did ultimately say Jeep in there,
but they didn't like me saying it.
They did not at the original event.
No, they were, they were quite taking them back.
So anyways, Grand Wagoneer is doing really great.
And it's actually outsold the suburban suburban and escalate.
The escalate was down.
Okay.
Once again, it's a very premium, very expensive vehicle.
Also the escalate EV is down, including their long version, the, the L.
Yeah, it's down by like 40 vehicles.
So not a huge, but they sold what 1700 escalate EVs in the whole quarter.
So not, not very huge.
No, not a ton.
So as, as we mentioned, um, Tahoe and you consult really well, then expedition,
then Grand Wagoneer, surprisingly, then suburban, then escalate, which both of
which were down.
So after the big three from the States, next in line, we have the Toyota Sequoia,
which sold about 7,600 units, which is up a little bit, but in terms of sales
compared to a lot of the other brands, still pretty small.
Yeah.
There's a big step down, right?
If you look at, like you said, the, the American brands versus some of the
Japanese brands that are also next in this list.
Um, but the Sequoia is still growing.
So that's pretty good news for them, right?
Yeah.
Um, and also, um, all of them are hybrids.
So Toyota is still very focused on hybrid vehicles.
GM is doing none, none of the GM vehicles are hybrid.
Ford expedition is also not hybrid.
And so is Jeep, uh, is also not a hybrid.
Although the Jeep Grand Wagoneer range extender is supposed to still coming
becoming, but it's not here yet.
Yeah.
So we'll see if that has any impact on sales after the Sequoia.
We have Lincoln navigator.
So sales well below what the expedition and also down.
Yep.
Down quite a bit, 17%.
So they sold about 6,000 navigators, which is a similar number to how many
armadas were sold.
They sold 5,400 armadas, which is actually up 27%.
Yeah.
Nissan and infinity are actually looking kind of bright.
It's a bright spot here.
Another one where the armada is up, like you said, and the infinity QX80 is also
up about 18%.
They sold about 3400 units of that.
And then after the QX80 on this list is a Lexus LX, which only sold about 1800 units.
And that's pretty similar to last quarter.
It's down 5%.
Yeah.
And Alex was never like a huge seller, right?
Yeah.
They're always kind of very premium, very expensive vehicles.
It's really the LX is really our Land Cruiser 300 series, right?
Because we're not getting a land, you know, the big Land Cruiser.
People overseas are getting those.
But the Lexus LX, especially the 700H with triple lockers, but it's well over
$100,000 for those vehicles.
Yeah.
So those are our basic sales figures, but we do have some news as well, the biggest
of which has to do with manufacturing with the Coa, actually.
So Toyota is investing $3.6 0 with a B into
the San Antonio, Texas facility where they currently build the Sequoia and the
Tundra, but Tacoma used to be built there.
And several years back, Toyota moved all of the production of the Tacoma to Mexico.
They have two plants in Mexico right now.
But now Tacoma is coming back to Texas.
Yeah.
So a huge investment in that plant.
And Toyota is saying is as much as 2000 new jobs at that plant as a result.
Really good.
It's going to take some time, obviously, to build that out.
They're saying what?
By about 2030, it should be fully operational.
So it's not the kind of thing that can happen overnight.
But yeah, no, it's cool to see that they're making that big investment.
They are still going to produce Tacomas in Mexico as well.
They're leaving at least one plant still operational in Mexico.
But this could make the Tacoma a little bit more affordable because there could
be some other tariff concerns or tariff pricing that's affecting the Tacoma price.
Yeah.
So if they move a lot of that production to Texas, maybe they can avoid some of
those tariffs, which is maybe what they're thinking.
Which would be nice because my primary complaint with the Tacoma lineup is price.
So if they could bring the price down or add features and not have to bring the
price up any extra, then that would be great.
Yeah.
So that's kind of it for news because we talked about a lot about Slate and some
of the Ford electric vehicle news already.
So that was kind of the majority of it.
But now we have a few more minutes left for the segment where I go shopping.
Yes, because as we've talked about previously, Andres Tundra is sold.
It's gone, gone forever.
Yes.
And it's been gone for a couple, three weeks already.
Yeah.
So I'm truckless.
Yeah.
You've been driving the power wagon that we have on loan from Ram for quite a while.
Yes.
Because we have an extended loan from Ram and a lot of you folks out there,
listeners and viewers, you've been emailing me or maybe sending some messages on
Instagram and such saying, Oh, Andre, congratulations.
Power wagon is your next truck because everybody thinks I'm going to buy it from
Ram right now.
Diesel power wagon, maybe.
That's going to be pricey.
That's actually coming soon.
We can test one.
Yeah, true.
That's like, that's like an $87,000 investment, which I'm not, I'm not sure if
I'm ready to make.
And to answer your question, if you're wondering about the power wagon, I
decided not to buy it.
Yeah, because you would think, all right, you've been driving it.
Why not just buy it?
Right.
So it's just, first of all, the size of it is just too much for what I need.
Cause I need a truck, you know, just to move my family around and also move my
boat around.
And especially for the towing and payload figures, I agree that the size of it is
too much because the primary reason that you need a truck is not so much to go
off road, which obviously the power wagon can do well.
And I also could do that work.
Yeah, that's true.
We get, we get to go off road a lot at work.
So it's not always the first thing you want to do on your weekend because if
you go off road inevitably, I know you're going to film it.
Yeah, I know.
And also, like there's the thing about driving a truck off road and also being
a passenger in a truck that's off road.
Yeah.
And if my, you know, my daughter, my son and my wife, who are, you know, being
jostled around in a truck, that's not very fun for them.
Yeah, it's more fun for the driver than the passenger.
Yeah.
And I could say, Hey, you know, let me passenger and you drive, but then once
again, they would rather go to the lake.
Yeah.
So I just need a vehicle mostly just to tow the boat, which is about 6,000 pounds,
which is not huge.
So you could get a duly Cummins long bed.
At least or an F 450.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, so you've also may have heard me crying on camera that, oh, I missed my
F 150 hybrid, right?
Oh, and a lot of you accuse me of crying and I do sometimes shed a tear.
The accusations are true.
Yeah.
So I went to auto tempest.com slash TFL.
So they're sponsor of ours, their partner.
So really cool site.
We've talked about them in previous shows, but they're now official partner of
ours and would appreciate your help.
If you can go to when you're looking for a next vehicle, go to auto tempest.com
slash TFL because they have price trends, right?
Yeah.
So not only can you find listings for vehicles and see how much they
cost right now, but you can see price trends over time, which is also a really
helpful thing.
And this is just an awesome tool.
If you shop it around for a vehicle, it gives you tons of information.
So right now you've got price trends for Ford F 150s pulled up hybrid, hybrid
only little concerning.
What?
Because you've already had an F 150 hybrid.
That's true.
But you know what?
My my wife and I really, really liked it.
Yeah.
But you're not, you're not supposed to buy the truck that you want.
You're supposed to buy the truck that all of us want.
You to buy, that's the problem.
Come on, Andre.
Okay.
So let's, we'll, we'll, this is not the only vehicle I'm considering.
Oh, good.
The, the, so I went to auto tempest.com slash TFL and I selected specifically the
2022 to 2023 model years.
So the first model year of the F 150 hybrid was 2021, which is the truck I had.
Remember, maybe you could just buy that one.
But no, I'm not going to buy that one.
That was a work, remember it was a work truck with vinyl floors.
And the blade style key that you actually had to put in.
That is true.
That is true.
For the only person still doing that person, I think, I think so.
Um, but you know me, I'm a frugal fella, you know, I rarely buy, you know,
King Ranch trucks, not a lot of Bugatti Tourbillon in my fleet.
Uh, but you know, as they say, don't buy the first year, which I, which I actually
went through, I used to own the first year of that powertrain of that truck.
And actually it was pretty reliable, but in general, speak, um, I really liked
the 2023 model year and Cole, if you mouse over some of these dots, especially later
in the lower portion of this graph, look at this, I can buy, no, no, I don't
want this, uh, not an Excel.
I used to have an Excel, something nicer, perhaps.
Oh, look at this.
Okay.
Something.
Oh, it's in Texas.
No, you know what?
You could also tell it where you are.
And so you can find a local search, you know, something a little bit closer to home.
Yeah, because I hate buying a vehicle without actually seeing it at first.
For sure.
Yeah.
No, I agree with that.
It's nice to see how this vehicle was treated and how it looks in person, but
as far as what you could do with auto tempest, not only can you have it search
vehicles that are nearby you, what's really cool is you can even narrow it
down to specific trims and features and colors.
Yeah.
So you could go in there and highly individualize your search and look at
this pricing looks to be coming down.
So there's some good confidence.
When I look at this graph online that, you know, the price of them are not
increasing, you know, it's coming down.
So you could find some deals and between like 25,000, the, the, the
lowest price they reported about 22,000.
The highest price is about 89,000.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that must be a used truck with no miles.
Can we click on that one?
An outlier for sure.
That's in Virginia.
274 miles.
So basically a left, but wait a minute.
Why would the 2023 truck have no miles?
Yeah.
Something weird must have happened.
That is weird.
Yeah.
It's basically brand new.
Okay.
So that's probably not the truck I would want.
No, also 80 grand.
Also 80 grand.
I might as well buy a new truck at that point or a common spar wagon.
Yeah.
But you are looking more exactly.
You are looking more in the 40-ish thousand dollars range.
Right?
35, 40.
Yeah.
I mean, I could stretch right to 45, but, but I don't want an $80,000 truck.
So third gen Cummins with a six speed.
How's that sound?
Oh, actually, that's not too bad.
So, but it's.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
So that's one truck I'm considering so I can stop crying.
But another truck I'm considering cold.
If you click to the next page, look at this, a GMC Savannah.
What do you think case?
You want a van?
Yes.
You already have a van, but not any.
I know I have a Buranka van, but not just any van.
Cole, if you can go to the next tab.
Yeah.
So if you're watching, I'm looking at the traditional American full size
van, which is based on a truck, like a conversion, a conversion van with lazy boy chairs.
Well, it's good for your passengers.
I'm not sure it makes much of a daily driver.
Look at this.
You could put a big screen TV inside of these.
It's, it's like a, it's like a VIP shuttle.
Andre is going to start a limo service.
No, for my family.
Right.
Yes.
How much should they pay?
They don't pay anything, but we like to be comfortable.
Yeah.
Um, no.
So we recently went to Albuquerque for July 4th celebration and a couple of
birthdays and we wished that we could like put like my parents in the same vehicle as
like all of us.
So we could, we don't have to take two vehicles and look at this.
Oh, according to auto tempest, look at the two tone.
It's got two tone paint.
It's a conversion van.
It's got a good toe.
It's in Loveland, Colorado.
Look at this.
Hey, I've been there.
Yeah.
It's like next door, um, 83,000 miles, $30,000.
What do you think?
What are you going to daily drive?
This.
Really?
That's so weird.
I feel like this, this is, um, one step below an RV, but, but spends a
similar amount of time parked typically get a motorcycle should get a Harley.
So the thing with an RV, cause I would consider it an RV also, not as a
daily driver, but as a vehicle for road trips, um, it's more complex.
Like your sink can break or your toilet is going to have a leak.
So you want an RV without the toilet.
Exactly.
So I can pull up to a truck stop and use the facilities at the truck stop and
then continue on my way.
Well, yeah, I'm, I'm all about vehicles that don't have black water tanks
because I've seen how badly that can go.
Uh, so yeah, sure, it's an awfully big vehicle to daily.
My wife had the concern, you know, these can tow, I mean, there were a
variety of engines in these big six liter V eights, 6.6 liter gas V eights.
They even had Duramax engines, giant V eight Duramax diesels in these vans.
So power is usually not a concern.
Yeah.
Um, and they tow a lot.
I mean, some of them tow about 8,000, 9,000 pounds.
So it will, it can pull our boat anywhere.
We want to pull our boat probably with ease, even though I've never done it in
the van like this, but what about backing down into water?
My wife had the concern that round your valour.
If you back this van, which is also sitting very, very low on the ground,
I bet if you get the valour inside your van wet, it will never dry again.
I, I don't even know what to say, but, but you know what, these have like beds.
The rear seat goes flat into a bed so you could sleep in it.
Well, I think it's a better house than daily.
Probably.
Yeah.
But, but share the concern about launching the boat in the water and you
could drown the back of this van in the water.
It's this rear wheel.
Uh-huh.
That could be another problem.
No, no all wheel drive.
They built oval drive versions of these vans, but they're expensive.
Yeah.
You could find them, but they're more than $30,000.
Man, still for $30,000, you can buy a very comfortable vehicle.
What else are you looking at?
Okay, next, next on the list is something that I've been considering,
which is a used, slightly used, 2025 Ram 1500 hurricane.
Are you ready for this?
Hurricane would be cool.
You know us, we love, we like V8s, but dude, but dude, I mean, the 57
hammy has been around for, I don't know, 20 years in various configurations.
I want turbo power, um, even though on the Ike, the hurricane engine is not as good
on the way down the mountain, uh, but still lots of turbocharged power.
And look at this.
The values are still stable.
If you look at the graph at auto tempest, um, but cool.
Can you click down lower some, something a little bit lower in the price range?
Uh, let's see.
This truck is about 37,000.
And it's a year old instant long month, which is just a couple of miles away from us.
Yeah, that would be pretty nice.
The other nice thing with these is that there are some pretty massive discounts
locally here, even on new, new versions of these trucks too.
What's the most that we've seen off like 9,000?
Yeah, a lot.
Yeah.
So remember you and I did a video recently at Johnson autoplasa where we found a brand
new hemi powered Ram 1500 for like 50 K, yeah, which is actually a really good deal
for a brand new truck and four wheel drive and everything.
Not, not a total base truck.
No.
So, so those are my only choices.
Uh, luxury van with lazy boy chairs and a bed, uh, hurricane Ram or a third gen
comments, right?
Which will be sick.
I am team Andre get a ram because you've had a couple of Chevy's couple or at least
one Ford, at least one Ford, but no Ram yet.
So, but once again, you asked me to buy something for everybody else and not
something for me.
What about me?
Well, you know, get a rumble bee.
Ooh, get a six for hemi.
It will tow a boat.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
I would do a big old burnout with a boat behind it.
So, so, uh, do we have any comments from folks watching or is everybody just
asleep at this point?
I have, I have comments, but I've been saying them.
So we should take a break from me and see, uh, Elliot says you can install a
real bed, not just a folding bed.
Yeah.
Elliot said he had a conversion van.
Oh, really?
Okay.
I agree.
It's good for a road trip, but as, as a daily and it's, it's a big vehicle.
And that's coming from somebody that has spent a lot of years daily driving a
second gen, but I don't have to daily this conversion van because there's
enough vehicles here at the office.
Well, but also like my son's, you know, he's not, doesn't have his license yet.
Yeah.
Uh, but we do have a Subaru outback that's stick it laying around at home.
I won't tell anyone.
What about the salara?
Uh, salara convertible is still there.
And my daughter doesn't want to attach to it.
She's attached to it.
So I may not be able to always drive it, but listen to this.
If I could find a conversion van for $30,000, I have, and my budget was 40,
right?
Yeah.
Original.
I have $10,000 for a BMW Z three.
What say you call?
Call is excited.
I'll come pick you up when it snows.
But then I can drive my van, which is too well drive in the snow.
Well, I mean, you can, well, it's really heavy.
People do it.
It's really heavy.
I mean, you have a lot of traction.
Good for all kind of performance.
Actually, last year we didn't get much snow.
True.
Yeah.
At this rate, you won't need it.
But we did really love the hybrid because, um, for example, my wife still drives
the I three and, um, it's heavy.
I'm having a little problem, uh, the, um, the range extender engine itself,
the motorcycle engine, um, I need service and she currently cannot use it.
It's just check engine light.
And I think the problem is spark plugs because I've learned now that the spark
plugs on that range extender is a service item that needs to be taken care of
regularly, like every three years or maybe every four years.
So I think it needs new plugs.
Andre ZV needs new spark plugs.
Can you believe that?
So, but, but if my wife gets stranded and, you know, she has driving around,
get doing errands, what if I can pull up in my F-150 hybrid?
Hi honey.
Plug in, plug in her car into my truck, charge her car up in about 10 or 15
minutes to get her a couple of percentage points.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
And she can go home without calling a tow truck without big problems.
Or you just buy a big Honda generator.
Hmm.
You just buy a big Honda generator.
No, I don't want to do that.
I got a phone charger.
No, like a battery bank, battery bank, a battery bank for my BMW, hot wire,
Milwaukee battery into it.
Zup.
So have you seen the little kids, uh, the kids plastic wheeled?
What are they called?
Little Tykes.
Uh, it's kind of like a little Tykes, but it's the power, power wheels.
That's what they're called.
Power wheels, power wheels.
People rad dads will take a, like a DeWalt or a Milwaukee battery.
Hot wire that into a power wheels.
And it goes like three, triple the speed.
Yeah, it's awesome.
So you want me to hot wire the walled battery into my wife's car.
Into the I3?
Sure.
It's like little Tykes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Very nice.
Um, Wow.
All right.
Well, is that all, is that all?
Yes.
Okay.
Pretty good.
So I think Elliot likes it though.
Yeah.
I mean, if Elliot likes my van idea, I'm, I'm happy.
Oh, we solved a lot of problems.
Okay.
Cool.
So I don't think we've sold.
I'm still puzzled why a lot of Ford truck sales are down.
I'm still puzzled by that.
Yeah.
Also puzzled by a lot of things.
Um, but that's kind of where it's at.
There were, there was some unexpected things in there.
The wagon here being up on sales.
The RAM we kind of expected, right?
Yeah, yeah, we knew that was happening.
The RAM was, whoa, we, we, Elliot also has a Z3M Roadster?
Elliot.
Man, we are almost like brothers right now.
Well, yeah, every so far, everyone, when I say everyone, I mean the three
people watching along.
Everyone is trying to get the van.
So I must be wrong.
But also, uh, Jonathan is here and he says, uh, get the van.
I think if you do a van, it needs like a porthole window, a mural on the side
and side pipes.
Like the A team or something.
Sure.
Exactly.
Does it need shag carpet?
Was it, was that GMC Savannah or no, it was called something else.
It was a previous, it was a previous version of the van.
Oh, that's trivia.
I should know.
Is that a GMC?
Can you look up at the A team van, Cole, just for us?
It's not a safari.
What's, what, what was a GMC?
It was like a square body.
It is.
Yeah, it is a GMC.
It's a Van Dura.
Van Dura.
Yes.
Dang.
Now I could be like Mr. T.
If you got a Mr. T, like an A team Van Dura, I would be way on board with that.
Really?
Yeah.
But these vans usually didn't have windows.
I mean, I guess some of them came with windows, but yeah, the A team van is
something else.
Yeah, a man do like an LS three or an LS seven and a Van Dura.
Get way down with that.
They did have side pipes on this van, right?
Yeah.
So, so Elliot used to own or still owns a conversion van and a Z3M Roadster.
He might have you beat on the M.
Yeah.
You know what?
I saw a Z3M on AutoTemps.com for sale, like a 2001 model, and it was $16,000.
It's quite expensive, actually.
Yeah, but it probably hold value better.
So make that argument to the family.
Why are we eating mac and cheese every night?
Because of the M.
Because the Z3M needs Rodbearans, probably.
No, I think actually there were no, there were known for having a tear in the
metal in the back.
Yeah.
Well, it's on a three series chassis, isn't it?
Yeah.
So E36 or an E46?
36.
36.
Yeah.
So it's a pretty solid base of a vehicle.
And that's pretty good.
You know, you and I also talked about me getting a C6 Vet.
Yes.
Me getting a E92 M3, that would definitely need Rodbearans or main bearings.
Rod.
Yeah.
But which is like a $5,000 service.
It's kind of a big deal.
A lot of mac and cheese would have to be a few months of mac and cheese for
dinner every night.
So there you have it.
There we go.
So yeah.
So we sold nothing basically.
No, not at all.
We never do, but that's okay.
That's all for this podcast.
Tune in next week for a lot more of solving.
More of this and more trucks.
Yes.
Thank you for joining us.
About this episode
Quarterly sales numbers show full-size pickup demand cooling, with the overall segment down 3.3% year-over-year in Q2. GM (Chevy/GMC) still leads, but Ford’s F-Series drops about 11%, a big red flag despite visible inventory on lots. Silverado is down ~7.3%, while Sierra 1500 holds up. RAM bucks the trend, up ~14% on the strength of the RAM 1500 Hemi return, plus warranty and upcoming TRX/Rumblebee buzz. Toyota Tundra stays steady, and midsize growth is led by the Tacoma.
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The quarterly automotive sales numbers are officially in, and the crew is diving deep into a shifting reality as full-size truck sales experience a noticeable slowdown across the market. The team breaks down the latest data from the major manufacturers, tracking a slide for traditional segment leaders like the Ford F-Series and GM's pickup lines. Despite the overall segment shrinking, there are a few shocking bright spots in the numbers—most notably a strong surge for Ram and a massive sales spike for the truck-based Jeep Grand Wagoneer. Between detailing factory supplier disruptions, exploring the ongoing struggles of high-dollar electric trucks, and tracking the steady market presence of full-size SUVs like the Chevy Tahoe and GMC Yukon, the guys analyze whether rising fuel prices or manufacturing shifts are truly driving the market's recent cooldown.
Shifting gears to the mid-size and compact segments, the conversation highlights the absolute dominance of the Toyota Tacoma, which continues to outpace its competition and is gearing up to move a major portion of its production back to San Antonio, Texas. The team analyzes how a value-packed Nissan Frontier managed to handily outsell the Ford Ranger, while the Jeep Gladiator experiences a steep decline compared to previous years. Plus, the guys answer live listener questions regarding Ford’s rumored affordable compact electric truck prototype versus the upcoming Slate truck, before debating whether the Ranger Raptor, Colorado ZR2, or Tacoma TRD Pro offers the best overall on-road daily drive. Finally, Andre updates listeners on his personal search for a new truck after officially ruling out a heavy-duty option, using AutoTempest to track pricing trends for an everyday rig capable of towing his family boat.
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