Wes Tankersley joins Jay Finning for a One Drink Wednesday crossover, mixing casual bar-chat with sharp commentary on how people react to politics and culture. They discuss “facts over feelings,” why polarization makes listeners reject new information, and a Boise flagpole controversy tied to Pride/BASC symbolism. The conversation also touches transgender participation in PE, gun-safety expectations during traffic stops, and how tragedies can be understood through root-cause thinking without excusing harm. They wrap by promoting the interactive Instagram live format and movie trivia.
Jhae Pfenning welcomes back Wes Tankersley to the Hard Parking studio for Episode 320 – a true "Two Nobodies" crossover hang. Wes, co-host of Two Nobodies Who Know Nothing, host of Shaping Success (and Shaping Success Treasure Valley), and your regular partner on One Drink Wednesday IG Lives, joins for relaxed conversation, drinks flowing (maple bourbon for Wes, vodka for Jhae), podcast life stories, and whatever comes up between two friends.
This laid-back episode captures the spirit of Hard Parking: real talk, zero pressure, and good company. Whether you're catching up on the shows or just here for the vibes, it's classic conversational podcasting at its finest.
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Timestamps
0:00 – Intro & "Ready for this, Mr. Wes Tankersley"
0:18 – Brought to you by Right Honda & Right Toyota (Scottsdale, AZ)
0:35 – Welcome back Wes + One Drink Wednesday vibes
3:20 – Maple bourbon pour & studio energy
7:10 – Podcast intros: Two Nobodies Who Know Nothing, Shaping Success, Shipping Sources, Treasure Valley
15:00 – Main conversation & random topics
25:00 – Patreon supporters shoutout (Mark Stoneman, Kathryn Cox, Eddie Ramos, and the crew)
32:00 – How to support the show (Patreon, Buy Me a Coffee, memberships)
35:00 – Questions, comments, concerns + next week tease
37:xx – Outro
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One Drink Wednesday
"But you know, we talk about One Drink Wednesday all the time, or I talk about it. You hear it on the closing of every episode and I figured, hell, why not get you on here"
This is a recurring part of the podcast where they do a themed “One Drink Wednesday” bit. It’s mentioned as something the audience already knows from other episodes.
“One Drink Wednesday” is a recurring podcast segment/format referenced as something listeners hear at the end of episodes. It’s not an automotive topic itself, but it frames the show’s recurring content and crossover context.
Concept
chapter by chapter
"We started out like going through his book. He has a book called R's Victorious and we went through chapter by chapter"
They’re describing how they go through a book in order, one chapter at a time. That helps keep the discussion organized.
“Chapter by chapter” describes a structured discussion method—working through a book one section at a time. In a podcast context, it’s a format choice that can affect how the conversation builds and how listeners follow along.
"I forgot to mention in the opening that this Sunday is the Copper State 1000. If you recall recently, I had Desi Alazzetta... And so the Copper State 1000 will be held at Tempe Diablo Stadium."
The Copper State 1000 is a big off-road race in Arizona. It’s the kind of event where your car has to survive rough roads, not just go fast.
The Copper State 1000 is a long-distance off-road rally in Arizona that’s known for testing both driver skill and vehicle durability. It’s typically run as a timed event with a mix of rough terrain, so prep and reliability matter as much as speed.
"And so the Copper State 1000 will be held at Tempe Diablo Stadium."
Tempe Diablo Stadium is the venue mentioned for the Copper State 1000. For listeners, the key takeaway is that the event is tied to a specific staging location, which often affects logistics like start/finish areas and spectator access.
Term
BASC
"I mean, BASC is a big thing here too. Like there's a lot of BASC people here. And so they can't really hang up a BASC flag anymore either. ... You have like the BASC district. BASC quarter, yeah, is what they call it."
BASC sounds like a local group or community. The conversation is about whether BASC-related flags are allowed to be displayed, and how that compares to state or American flags.
BASC is referenced as a major local group in the area, with people and flags associated with it. The transcript treats it like a recognizable organization or community identity, similar to how a city district might have its own branding.
"They just don't want you putting something other than the state flag or the American flag on a flagpole, you know? So the BASC thing is, I'm curious with that because it was a couple blocks, right?"
A flagpole is just the tall post where you hang a flag. The speaker is talking about what kinds of flags are allowed to be shown there.
A flagpole is the vertical post used to display flags. In car-related contexts, it can also refer to how vehicles or event setups mount flags, but here it’s mainly about rules for what can be displayed.
Concept
situations degraded
"We're saying this is why this happened, and we understood why it happened, and it's fucked up. But I'm not going to go outside and start picketing or screaming to the top of my lungs, because I can see how both situations degraded to where they are."
They’re saying the situation got worse over time. Once people start panicking and reacting, it can spiral fast.
The speaker is describing how a tense scenario can rapidly worsen—people panic, assumptions form, and actions escalate. In car terms, it’s similar to how small mistakes compound when drivers don’t recognize the risk early.
"...if an officer pulls me over, I'm coming at that officer with respect..."
An officer pulling you over is basically a traffic stop. The safest move is to follow the officer’s directions and stay calm.
A “pull-over” is a traffic stop where an officer directs a driver to stop the vehicle for questioning or enforcement. How a driver responds—like staying calm and following instructions—can strongly affect the outcome.
"...I get pulled over, I put my hands on the wheel, if he told me to stop, I'm going to stop."
When police pull you over, they often want you to keep your hands visible. It’s meant to show you’re not reaching for anything and that you’re cooperating.
This phrase refers to the common safety instruction drivers follow during a police stop. It signals that the driver is complying and reduces the chance of misunderstandings or escalation.
Concept
root cause
"...it's like, okay, well, how do we get here? Like, what was the root cause? What could have prevented this?"
“Root cause” means asking what really caused the problem, not just what happened right before it. It’s how people try to prevent the same thing from happening again.
“Root cause” is the idea of tracing an incident back to the underlying reason it happened, rather than focusing only on the immediate event. In safety and incident analysis, this approach helps identify prevention steps.
"And it's called RCA report, root cause analysis. And so what happens is you have to identify, and we would do what's called patient rounding to"
RCA means “root cause analysis.” It’s a way to figure out the real reason something went wrong, so you can stop it from happening again.
RCA stands for root cause analysis. It’s a structured method for figuring out why an incident happened, not just what happened on the surface.
Concept
preventive vs reactive
"And it's not a preventative major, a preventative step. It's something like, how can we make sure it's reactive, not proactive?"
They’re talking about preventing problems before they happen versus dealing with them after they happen. The goal is to catch the risk early, not just react once damage is done.
The speaker contrasts proactive prevention with reactive response. In safety engineering, “proactive” means addressing risks before an incident, while “reactive” means responding after something goes wrong.
"And his thoughts are, okay, I pull you over. The first thing that you need to do is you need to put your hands on the steering wheel, roll down the window and wait for me to come talk to you."
A traffic stop is when police pull your car over. The point here is to follow a safe routine so the officer knows what you’re doing and doesn’t get surprised.
A traffic stop is when law enforcement stops a vehicle for a suspected violation or safety concern. The speaker is describing a safety-focused procedure for how to communicate and handle documents and potential weapons during the stop.
"The first thing that you need to do is you need to put your hands on the steering wheel, roll down the window and wait for me to come talk to you."
The steering wheel is what you hold to control the car. During a stop, keeping your hands visible helps the officer feel safe because they can see what you’re doing.
The steering wheel is the primary control you hold while driving. In the context of a traffic stop, being told to keep your hands on it is about making your movements predictable so the officer can approach safely.
"When I get there, and I ask for your license and registration, you say, hey, is it okay if I get it?"
Police usually ask for your driver’s license and the car’s registration. The idea is to have them ready so you can hand them over calmly and safely.
License and registration are the key documents drivers must typically provide during a traffic stop. The speaker emphasizes having them ready and accessible in a controlled way so the officer can verify identity and vehicle information without escalating tension.
"It's in the glove box or it's in my pocket, I'm reaching for it. Then hand him both your concealed weapons permit and your driver's license at the same time so that he knows that you could be carrying so that he's not freaking out thinking that you got a gun."
The glove box is a small storage compartment in the front of the car, usually on the passenger side. Here it’s mentioned because people often keep their documents there.
The glove box is the compartment inside the passenger side of the dashboard used to store documents and small items. In the transcript, it’s mentioned as a common place to keep paperwork so you can retrieve it only when the officer allows it.
"And then he may ask you, hey, do you have a gun? Yes, I do. It's under the seat. I'm not going to get it."
Some cars have space under the seats where people store items. The transcript is saying that if something is under the seat, you should communicate clearly and avoid sudden reaching that could alarm the officer.
“Under the seat” refers to storage space beneath the driver or passenger seat. The speaker is describing a scenario where a gun is located there, and the key point is that the officer should be told clearly and not be surprised by sudden movements.
"There's one that comes up to the driver's side and there's always a trailer that kind of comes up with a passenger side. And the trailer that comes with the passenger side is... the spotter, right?"
Sometimes two officers handle a traffic stop. One talks to the driver and the other watches closely from the side to see what’s happening inside the car.
In some traffic-stop tactics, one officer approaches the driver while another officer positions on the passenger side as a “spotter.” The spotter watches the driver’s actions and the vehicle interior to reduce surprise and improve situational awareness.
"But we've had people on like Mitchell Bailey from Smile Spirits and trust me,
[1856.7s] Vodka, and then we had Andy Koenig on from Koenig Distillery."
Koenig Distillery is a company that makes spirits. They’re mentioned because someone from there was a guest on the show.
Koenig Distillery is a spirits producer. The hosts reference it as a guest connection for the show’s drink segment rather than as an automotive topic.
"But we've had people on like Mitchell Bailey from Smile Spirits and trust me,
[1856.7s] Vodka, and then we had Andy Koenig on from Koenig Distillery."
Smile Spirits is a company that makes drinks. They’re mentioned because someone from that brand has been on the show.
Smile Spirits is a spirits brand referenced as a guest connection. It’s part of the “One Drink Wednesday” crossover theme in this episode segment.
"And we had a couple Whistle Pig.
[1862.5s] I can't remember her name, Whistle Pig.
[1863.8s] Yeah, we have the girl on from Whistle Pig."
WhistlePig is a company that makes whiskey. They’re being mentioned because someone from that brand has appeared on the show as a guest.
WhistlePig is a spirits brand best known for rye whiskey. In the episode, it’s mentioned as a guest/brand crossover tied to the show’s drink-focused segment.
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Patreon is a membership platform where fans support creators with recurring payments. In automotive podcasts, it’s often how the show funds production and keeps episodes coming without relying solely on ads or sponsorships.
– Intro & "Ready for this, Mr. Wes Tankersley"
– Brought to you by Right Honda & Right Toyota (Scottsdale, AZ)
– Welcome back Wes + One Drink Wednesday vibes
– Maple bourbon pour & studio energy
– Podcast intros: Two Nobodies Who Know Nothing, Shaping Success, Shipping Sources, Treasure Valley
– Main conversation & random topics
– Patreon supporters shoutout (Mark Stoneman, Kathryn Cox, Eddie Ramos, and the crew)
– How to support the show (Patreon, Buy Me a Coffee, memberships)
– Questions, comments, concerns + next week tease
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Ready for this, Mr. West Tankersley?
Let's do it.
This is Hart Barkin, brought to you by Wright, Hunter and Wright Toyota
out of Scottsdale, Arizona.
I'm your host, Jay Finning, joining me in a few moments.
He is the co-host of To Nobody To Know Nothing.
He is the host of Shapings Here Says Treasure Valley.
And most importantly, for this call, he is my co-host for One Drink Wednesday.
He is West Tankersley West.
Welcome back to the podcast, man.
What's happening, dude?
I feel like I was telling you earlier, like I feel like I'm out of place.
So I'm going to drink some of this maple bourbon because I feel like when we're
doing One Drink Wednesday, we have to pour something.
And I know you got like a full glass of vodka, so have fun with that.
No, just for the record.
Let the record show that I'm drinking ice water.
Or water, there's no ice in it.
Yeah.
I can't believe you're drinking it with no ice.
What the hell?
Because unlike you, Wes, I'm not an alcoholic.
Cheers, Jay.
Yeah.
Cheers.
So yeah, I begged you to come back onto the show.
I know that usually when you're on here, it's a huge ratings plunge, but I figure
at this point I can't get any worse than I've been doing lately.
And so, I mean, you look like a million bucks.
You look famous.
And so maybe that'll help boost the algorithm.
But you know, we talk about One Drink Wednesday all the time, or I talk about it.
You hear it on the closing of every episode and I figured, hell, why not get you on here
and let's talk about the shit we talk about and let's talk about what you have
going on in your To Nobody To Know Nothing, which it's not new.
You guys have been doing it now for a while, but I've told you on a few occasions,
I think it's a really excellent thing to listen to when I'm driving around.
So tell us about To Nobody To Know Nothing.
Well, the sad thing is, I think you prefer that over just my regular podcast,
which is, you know, that kind of makes me want to cry.
But Robert Watson was a guy that I interviewed and I met on TikTok at one point.
And he is, he's a baby boomer, right?
And I'm Gen X and it's cool because we get to talk about all this different stuff.
We started out like going through his book.
He has a book called R's Victorious and we went through chapter by chapter
because shaping success is really about like motivation, right?
So all these chapters that he had were all these lessons that he learned in life
and all the things that he was doing.
And it was just one of those things where we started going through that
and then naturally just progressed into other things.
So we talk a lot about, it's not a political podcast,
but we do talk a lot about what's going on.
Like this morning we were talking about the Strait of Hormuz and those types of things
because he was former military intelligence.
So he was an analyst and what he does is he, he still does it,
even though he doesn't work for anyone, but he'll go through and he'll analyze the situation
and then he would give the, hey, President Trump, this is what you got to do.
Hey, President Biden, this is what you got to do.
Or this is what I would see could happen from these two different scenarios.
Now you pick and choose what you're going to want to do.
And so someone called us at one point, we were talking about something
and I can't remember what it was, it wasn't even very political,
but they said, oh, look, it's two nobodies who know nothing.
And not that degrees make you a man or make you smart,
but you're saying that with like people who had, there's five degrees right here.
And we're just, we are nobody, but we look at things factually,
kind of like you and I have these conversations all the time,
but like what's really going on.
And we think with the facts, not our feelings,
which is a real hard thing to do these days.
Hey everyone, I hope you're enjoying this conversation I'm having with West Tankersley.
I forgot to mention in the opening that this Sunday is the Copper State 1000.
If you recall recently, I had Desi Alazzetta,
the current chair of the Men's Art Council.
And so the Copper State 1000 will be held at Tempe Diablo Stadium.
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What do you mean by that, Wes?
Oh, you know what I mean.
I mean, it's crazy.
It's like people do not like,
you know, you look at the political things that are going on right now, right?
Orange man bad.
So if orange man says something,
everyone else is going to do the, not everyone,
but you know, like 50% of the population is like,
nope, not going to do it.
And you watch like the, you watch the right,
and they just do the opposite.
Whether it's right or wrong, they do the opposite, you know.
The left, you mean?
The left, I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah, it's whatever he says is wrong,
and we're not going to do it.
So if he said don't, he says that breathing air is good,
they're going to stop breathing, you know?
I mean, it's kind of that.
It's not that bad, but you know what I mean.
Yeah, there's a lot of memes out there,
and I think they all started in 2020, right?
When it comes to injecting yourself with bleach.
And then there's a segment of the population who,
well, you got the crazies, right?
So that's the danger, I guess,
is if you say something like that,
there's going to be a subset of idiots out there
who actually do it because they don't understand.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't say it,
but there's also people who are going to say,
oh my God, I can't believe this person said that.
You know, what kind of a leader, blah, blah, blah.
And so, no, I get it.
It's, and I wouldn't say it's left or right.
It's just when people are so convicted
in their feelings about something,
then they're void of hearing any discussions
or conversations with any factual or new information, right?
There's cars, it's a weird car reference, right?
But there's cars I just haven't liked.
And once you learn a little bit more about the car
and what makes it special, that's new information.
And then you could say, okay, well, you know,
it's a cool car.
It's not for me, but I can definitely see
why people have the appeal for that car.
But there's other people who say,
I don't give a fuck what you say about that car.
It's a piece of shit.
And I'm never going to look at it, you know?
And it's like, dude, I've just given you
some very objective information,
some tracking factual information about this.
And you can still feel the way you feel,
just know that that's how you feel.
That's not how it is.
And so, you know, I think you're 100% on point with that.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like here in Boise, you know,
just kind of an idea of what's going on around here.
It's like, last year they passed a bill
where they banned anything but the American flag
or the state flag being up on,
or the city flag or whatever, being up on a flagpole.
So like, if it wasn't tied to anything, then...
Hold on.
So it's a government, though, right?
It's like, it's got to be on like a municipality,
like the courthouse versus...
Yes.
Jay Tuck's Chevrolet.
Yeah, well, and what happened was it came down
to the fact that the mayor of Boise,
like they would have pride flags everywhere, right?
And so, the mayor of Boise decided
that when they passed this ban, there was a loophole.
So she made the city flag the pride flag,
and then she put it up.
And then now the pride flag, the Boise flag is the pride flag,
which is crazy to me because like,
if you think about it, you're representing
a very small part of the population of Boise, right?
But this is what she did to prove a point that she could do it.
And then this year, they're like,
oh, well, now we're going to pass the bill
a little bit differently, so you have to take it down.
So they take it down the other day,
and there's this big old story that just because
we're taking this down doesn't mean that we don't
invite everyone to come to our city.
And it was like, okay, no one was saying
that you weren't inviting everyone to the city.
Right, no one ever said that to begin with.
You put the target on your back by being like,
hey, guys.
Yep, exactly.
And I don't have anything wrong with the pride flag,
but I don't think that it should be on a freaking city flag
poll. This is the representation of the city when
you don't represent everyone in the city with that.
The United States flag represents our country,
and it's become something that is so polarized, right?
It's like, you're a racist if you like the American flag.
And I've got the American flag tattooed on my chest and my arm,
so I guess I'm racist.
It explains a lot, you're a racist son of a bitch.
Yeah, my best friend.
So what is it, Wes?
Are you racist or are you gay?
I'm also a bigot.
I don't know if you know that.
And we all get called like, that's the problem, right?
So now I don't agree with you.
Now I'm a racist.
Now I'm a bigot.
Now I'm a Nazi.
Now I'm this.
Now I'm that.
And it's like, that's not it.
We're just people.
And it's insane to me that Adam Crowell
talks about it all the time, right?
I'm not saying that racism would go away
if we stopped talking about it,
but if we sit there and we point out
that every single thing that we do is a racist,
what are people going to start thinking?
Like, we're just a terrible country.
We're terrible people.
We can't say anything because we're all racist.
We're all bigots.
We're all Nazis, you know.
How the hell does the mayor get away
with changing the flag?
Well, that doesn't even make any sense to me, right?
Because was it just for a month?
But you said they just changed the flag.
I get the city council, like people voted on it.
Was it like Prop 436 and everyone voted yes?
It was weird.
There was like, there was a city council,
and I don't live in Boise,
but I know about it because, you know,
this is happening and like my wife and I,
we were married in June, which is Pride Month, right?
And so every once in a while,
we'll go have a staycation downtown Boise
and like we're rolling around
and like there are Pride flags everywhere,
like on every corner.
And it's like this whole big deal
that they want to have this whole month with it.
And I think what happened was so many people were like, why?
Why don't we have a straight flag?
Why don't we have this?
You know, like once you start doing that,
it becomes, why do we have this for just this one group,
but we don't have that?
And they can't even, I mean,
BASC is a big thing here too.
Like there's a lot of BASC people here.
And so they can't really hang up a BASC flag anymore either.
So it wasn't just the Pride flag,
but that's what they're honing in on.
They just don't want you putting
something other than the state flag
or the American flag on a flagpole, you know?
So the BASC thing is, I'm curious with that
because it was a couple blocks, right?
You have like the BASC district.
BASC quarter, yeah, is what they call it.
BASC quarter.
So why can't the, can the BASC quarter
have the BASC flags up?
I mean, it's like going to Chinatown
and seeing the China stuff.
And it's like going to the, I don't know,
the gay parts of every major U.S. city.
And there's usually one or two blocks
that are dedicated to Pride and like 24-7.
And that's fine because you know where you're at, right?
You know, that's the district.
And that's always a victorious destination
for whatever reason, right?
Yeah.
I mean, you know, when we went to Puerto Vallarta,
we were in basically the gay district the whole time
and these flags are everywhere, the trans flags,
and then the regular flag.
And there's like, I don't know, 12 different flags.
I had no idea.
But I, I don't think they have any business being on
like federal or state or municipality,
just like you're not going to hang the,
your favorite schools flag anywhere up on the school, right?
The school, the school flag should be the state flag,
the American flag and the school flag, right?
Yeah.
But yeah.
And I think that that's...
I have pride flags everywhere.
It's just, I'm not, I'm not for it.
And that doesn't make me homophobic by any means.
No, the big thing is though is they were,
they banned it from being on the municipalities.
Like you said, you can still have it on your house.
You can do whatever you want.
It just...
Okay, yeah.
That's the problem.
It's like you're sitting there saying that we're not inclusive, right?
And that's not the case.
The case is, is why are we putting this flag up
for a small percentage of the whole city,
you know, the whole state or whatever.
And they did it out of spite
because they told them they couldn't do it.
You know, that was, that was the problem.
And so it was just weird.
Like there was this funny last year,
or last week when it passed, I just saw that.
I'm just like, you got to be kidding.
But it's those types of things that, you know, drive me insane.
As a PE teacher, I have a friend, Matt Todd,
who's been on my podcast a couple of times.
It's because you're a bigot, Wes.
Yeah, right.
Because I'm a bigot.
You're a gay, you're a gay, bigot Nazi.
I'm a homophobe.
Yeah.
But it was funny because they were talking.
Drop the foe, Wes.
Drop the foe.
You're just a, oh wait, Matt Todd.
Anyway, Matt Todd, I really enjoy Matt
because he's talking to all these people
in our state at the local level.
And he was talking to someone
who is representative for the state.
And she was talking about PE and how he said,
he asked her a question like, what is the problem?
How do you feel about women having transgender males
coming into a women's space?
And are you concerned that something could happen to you?
And she's like, why are, because I'm concerned for my kids
and this and that.
And she's like, well, why are you concerned for me?
I need to be concerned for myself.
And if I don't have a problem with it,
you shouldn't have a problem with it.
And he's like, well, you have guys walking in
all out into a girl's locker room.
If that happened with my daughter, I would be pissed.
You know, like how is this okay?
And she says, well, what we need to do
is we just need to do away with PE.
Why do we even need PE?
Why do you need to dress down?
And I was just like, you got to be kidding me.
Yeah, yeah.
This is not the answer.
And then he asked her, it was funny
because he asked her if she had played any sports
in high school.
And she's like, or if she lettered in anything.
And she's like, no, I didn't play any sports,
but I did get a letter in debate.
So you have no clue what it's like to play a sport.
You have no clue what it's like to,
you probably took those two PE classes that were required by
so that you could get your diploma.
But you saw no value in it.
And you've never really looked at the value
of physical education.
And, you know, I have a, that's hard for me
because I love to eat.
Yeah, and I can't.
I think that you don't have to be able to letter anything.
I think it's just, I think it's kind of common sense, right?
I mean, you just have to be a parent.
You just have to be a normal person.
Because I can guarantee you there's a ton of liberal women
who do not want some dude going in,
or some dude who identifies as a woman
going into the restroom with them
or their daughters at any given time,
nor do they want them playing sports with their girls.
So for someone to not understand how that's a problem,
there's a lot of, even beyond the sexual predativeness of it,
because believe me, you, we know there's a lot of sexual,
it is a fucking, it is a disease in the world right now.
It's probably always been a disease in the world.
I don't know why it's got to be so hard.
I mean, I think it's pretty simple.
I mean, all we have to do is just put a picture
of what you got on the wall, and this is where you go.
I mean, it's pretty simple.
Junk, no junk.
Junk to the right, no junk to the left.
Junk to the right, trunk to the left, like what, you know.
Dong over here, no dong over there.
I mean, it's not that hard.
It's like, who cares now?
Dong with the wind.
Yeah, right.
That's the next movie that's coming out.
Yeah, I don't know how it's controversial, you know,
and I just, it blows my mind.
I just, maybe it just goes back to the beginning,
but to nobody's or no nothing.
So Robert Watson, he brings these conversations,
and these are the type of stuff you guys talk about.
He pretty much puts in a little more better,
better information than I do during this call, of course.
But I just find it fascinating because you both
share these great stories.
Yeah, he does the research.
Like, I mean, it's honest, literally, like what Robert
and I do is Monday morning at five o'clock,
my time, six o'clock is time, I turn the damn thing on,
and we just, hey, what's going on, Robert?
And then we talk about some study that he read
or something that I had going on or something that was,
and we just have a conversation about it.
It's like, this is how these two nobodies feel about something
because, I mean, it's interesting because, you know,
we're, like I said, we're 20 years apart.
And so he's grown up in a different scenario than I have,
and been through different things.
But we've also had some pretty cool things in common as well.
So it's a fun conversation.
I think one of the things that makes it so good
is that he's so careful too, right?
That he's, because he's still a professional
and you're obviously careful and a professional as well.
But I just find it hard for someone to watch that
and be upset about stuff you guys are talking about.
And the only thing I could come away with
each time I listen is if people are listening to that
and they feel strongly against whatever it is
you guys are talking about,
because you're right, it's not always politics,
then it's emotional.
And, you know, it's the cliche facts over feelings, right?
And I feel like for someone to, as I say, I feel, I feel facts over feelings.
For someone listening to that and come away with any level of anger
or any level of anger and say,
hey, you guys are too nobody's know nothing.
And I think even one time, Brian and I were talking about something on my podcast
and that was kind of one of the comments as well.
Like, you know, stick to cars and you guys don't,
you don't know shit about anything that you're talking about.
And I'm like, well, yeah, we have opinions
and our opinions are pretty valid,
whether you agree or disagree with them.
I just think that there's just so many people out there.
You know, I read a comment to you earlier on my freaking reaction,
my movie reaction channel from a thing I said about Magneto and X Professor X.
And this dude became so unhinged about something that I'd said on the short,
which is designed to obviously, you know,
smoke people like him out of their caves or their mother's basement
and get them to, to interact.
And that's basically what I said.
I was like, yeah, good job.
But I say this to smoke you out of your basement, you fucking retard.
You know, and I usually use that kind of a language,
but the way that guy was coming at me like,
what kind of a nerd idiot fool are you?
Like, you know, if you don't like what people are saying,
I gave my opinion on Professor X and, you know, and Magneto,
and it wasn't even controversial.
That's the thing though.
It's like your response to that, like I was,
when you said that, I just laughed out loud.
You couldn't hear me laughing, but I was laughing pretty good about it
because that's what those clips are for, right?
And it's funny.
I just let Opus, I know you, we both use Opus.
I just let Opus do it, you know,
like I let it do whatever it wants to do.
And then I, and then Nikki posted for me.
And this guy went off on me about something
that I said about Charlie Kirk and Renee Good,
like they're comparing the two, but then it's,
the comparison is when it's convenient,
but when it's not, it's not.
It's like everyone's saying good riddance to Charlie Kirk,
but those same people who said good riddance to Charlie Kirk
are saying, oh my gosh, how dare you, this poor lady,
this mother of two that, that was a lesbian, that was this,
that was that, blah, blah, blah,
just murdered in cold blood or whatever,
but good riddance to Charlie Kirk.
And I said, they're not the same thing.
They don't even say she was a lesbian,
they just say she was a mother.
Right, they don't tell you that stuff.
And like you said, like when we were looking at it before,
and this is the thing with you,
like you out of everyone that I know,
dissect things to the ninth degree,
like you are going through it over and over again,
before you even talk about it,
you've thought about nine different sides
of every single angle and we're talking about it.
And I'm like, well, what about this?
And then you're like, well, what about that?
And then people think that you're just talking,
you know, like, oh, you're just saying what you're saying.
But I had a guy who basically told me
that I was going to lose my job.
And then he went through all of it, the racist, the bigot,
the Nazi, Charlie Kirk was a racist, bigot, Nazi.
I am a racist, bigot, Nazi.
I'm going to lose my job.
Good luck finding one.
This and that and blah, blah, blah.
It was funny because I just,
I just chuckled every time I saw his response.
And then I would go through and I'd respond to him back
with something else until he finally stopped.
And that was what I was waiting for.
I'm like, I'm not stopping until you stop.
And I'm just going to, whatever, dude, you know,
they all go to name calling, whatever they believe.
I think to be fair, and you'll agree with this,
it's also the same people who say that Charlie Kirk
was a martyr and he was murdered doing what he believed in.
Or the same people, a lot of the same people
who say Renee good deserve what she got.
Yeah, I don't, it's neither one of us are those people.
We see the positive and the, I wouldn't say negative,
but the tragedy in every one of these situations.
But the difference is we're able to see both sides
and not to overuse the whole both sides this and both sides that
because you know, I want to throw a chair through the wall
every time I hear someone say both sides this and both sides that.
But I would say not both sides of the people,
both sides of the action.
Yeah, you know, and then when I say that,
do I think that good deserve what she got?
No, do I understand why it happened?
Given the situation, yeah, I could understand
how somebody would think that maybe their life was in danger.
Regardless if they got hit months prior,
I can see how an officer would think that
when the wheel is spinning, you know,
and then it ends up the car lunges forward.
I mean, it was a poor decision in my opinion on her part,
and it was a poor decision for the officer to have pulled the trigger.
But I understand why he pulled the trigger.
I don't understand why she drove forward, you know what I mean?
So it's like both of those things are shitty.
And just like Alex Pretty, like, yeah, he shouldn't have been there.
And he was, I wouldn't say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He wanted to be there.
He put himself in a situation.
And I think what happened to him was very unfortunate,
but I understand how it happened.
Not that he deserved it.
But when a gunshot goes off and everybody's panicking,
and you think that he's the one who pulled the trigger,
because why else would anybody else standing around have pulled the trigger?
And so you guys unloading on him, it's a tragedy.
You know, he should probably be alive today,
but I'm not justifying and you're not justifying.
We're saying this is why this happened,
and we understood why it happened, and it's fucked up.
But I'm not going to go outside and start picketing
or screaming to the top of my lungs,
because I can see how both situations degraded to where they are.
Yeah, and I just, I think the thing that you and I have talked about quite a bit
is the fact that these things could have been avoided, right?
I don't necessarily know how Charlie could have avoided it other than haven't,
like, well, he could have avoided it by not being there, right?
Like, he could have not done it.
He could have-
To debate behind a plexiglass wall like a president, that's it.
Right.
But then why go to a college campus and do it?
Yeah, exactly.
And good, you know, the thing to me was, listen, an officer,
and this is how I feel about, if an officer pulls me over,
I'm coming at that officer with respect, whether I was right or wrong.
But I'm to the point where it's like, I get pulled over,
I put my hands on the wheel, if he told me to stop, I'm going to stop.
And she could have been alive today if she would have just got out of the car when he asked.
And that's the problem is like, Kirk didn't have that option.
He was just sitting there and someone shot him.
She had the option to live, he did not.
And I just, I don't know, I can't see how common sense doesn't come into play there.
It just doesn't make any sense to me, but this is where we are.
Well, you know, you think about life, right?
And it's like, when you're punishing your kids, or when you're growing up and something happens
in school, it's like, okay, well, how do we get here?
Like, what was the root cause?
You know, what could have prevented this?
And you know, I work in the hospital system.
I've worked in the hospital system since 2008 in an IT capacity.
But I was also an imaging manager, second shift for four years.
And we would fill out incident reports all the time.
And it's called RCA report, root cause analysis.
And so what happens is you have to identify, and we would do what's called patient rounding to
and floor rounding, we'd go around, you ask the nurses and the patients and all this kind of stuff.
But what you do is you identify multiple times before the incident happened, flags.
Okay, this was an opportunity.
This was our first opportunity to escalate.
This is the next thing that happened that should have been stopped,
but it wouldn't stop the first time.
What was the stop the second time?
So you get to the third flight.
Next thing you know, there's four or five checkpoints of failure along the way to let
up to the ultimate event, right?
And so that's kind of how my brain processes this stuff too.
It's like, okay, how did we get here?
How did we get to the point where these anti-ice protesters were out there?
You know, what got them to that point?
Because at that time it wasn't Renee Good and Alex Pretty because, you know,
before them, before Renee, nothing, right?
But once that happened, how did we get to the point of her unfortunately getting
blasted on and losing her life and what could have been prevented?
That's what root cause analysis, the whole purpose of root cause analysis is how could
we have prevented this?
And it's not a preventative major, a preventative step.
It's something like, how can we make sure it's reactive, not proactive?
I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
Some people just don't have the ability to analyze and break down.
And those are some of the same people who just lose their shit,
regardless of what happens and who it happens to.
Yeah, I mean, and it's again, it's like we've been talking about this.
People will sit there and they'll rip you for saying facts over feelings.
But the fact of the matter is, is like, look at what you should do.
Look at what, you know, we talked about, I've talked about gun safety on my podcast before.
And we were talking about how when you get pulled over, like I took a concealed weapons
class to get my concealed weapons license.
And when I'm sitting in there, the guy, the guy who is teaching this class is a sheriff, right?
And so he's telling me, and he's a sheriff, how he would prefer to be notified that you have a gun.
And his thoughts are, okay, I pull you over.
The first thing that you need to do is you need to put your hands on the steering wheel,
roll down the window and wait for me to come talk to you.
When I get there, and I ask for your license and registration, you say,
hey, is it okay if I get it?
It's in the glove box or it's in my pocket, I'm reaching for it.
Then hand him both your concealed weapons permit and your driver's license at the same time
so that he knows that you could be carrying so that he's not freaking out thinking that you
got a gun.
And then he may ask you, hey, do you have a gun?
Yes, I do.
It's under the seat.
I'm not going to get it.
I just want you to know that you have it.
I, you know, the fact that matters is those guys are on high alert because they don't know
what's going to happen, right?
They don't know who they're pulling over.
They could be pulling over someone who's high on meth and going crazy
and not even know it.
And the guy pulls over and then the first thing he does is reach for his gun and pop you, you know.
And to me, it's like, oh, well, we shouldn't, one of the comments that I got on is, oh,
we shouldn't have to do that.
You shouldn't have to just say shit.
You don't have to tell them nothing.
And it's like, I don't have to tell them nothing.
You're right.
But I would way rather do it knowing that I'm going to be more protected if I tell him
what's going on so that he is feeling safe and he knows how to react if I do something.
I think a lot of it depends on where you're at too, right?
Because I think about all the times in my life I've been pulled over, which isn't a lot,
but I do remember pretty much every time and usually there's two officers.
There's one that comes up to the driver's side and there's always a trailer that kind of comes up
with a passenger side.
And the trailer that comes with the passenger side is, for lack of a better term, the spotter,
right?
They want to see what the driver's doing.
It's funny.
I got pulled over once.
I think it was in 1999 or 2000.
And my passenger stuck his arms out the window and the police officer walked up.
He's like, dude, what are you doing?
Because he was always told that when you get pulled over, stick your hands out so they
can see your hands so that you know you're not threatened.
So it's kind of funny because it's almost exactly opposite of what the sheriff was saying
to you guys.
You know, keep your cool, right?
But I mean, in any event, neither one of these two incidents that we talked about would
really bear that situation.
For one person, they were just already fed up and it was too late.
And the other person is just a weird fucking sequence of events.
Let's talk about one drink Wednesday.
Yeah.
This is the thing that everyone's like, hey, I watch your podcast.
I watch you in Westwood.
That podcast is like, no, we don't watch us do anything because we don't have a lot of people
on there. We have some very faithful, fun people that we both love and are happy that
they're on there with us.
But it's not a podcast.
It's Instagram live, right?
Until we get that, until we get that Instagram to a thousand followers that usually go live
first and then I join you from that page.
Right.
Because that's the only way to do it.
You know, and we got, like you said, we got some crazy people like when I pulled up this
Vermont maple bourbon, you know, Anna sent this bottle to me.
So regulars like we have the regulars.
We've always talked about it.
We've been doing this for four or five years now.
And it's like, we got the regulars at the bar, right?
And we have some people who've been there from the very beginning that are still there
every day, you know, Steven and Turkey have been there since the beginning.
And those are people that will come on and they'll hop on and they'll listen to us talk
about what we're doing.
But it's, for me, it's, I enjoy doing it.
You and I just came up with this idea at one point, hey, let's just do a live.
We need to do something together.
And we've had, I think we need to, you know, personally, like I feel like we're going to
have to figure out a way to get guests back on because I think that that was one of the
things that we did a lot more in the past.
But we've had people on like Mitchell Bailey from Smile Spirits and trust me,
Vodka, and then we had Andy Koenig on from Koenig Distillery.
And we had a couple Whistle Pig.
I can't remember her name, Whistle Pig.
Yeah, we have the girl on from Whistle Pig.
I think what I think that's the challenge is we're not, we're not hosting it from the page yet.
Right.
And what we will, we'll get back to that soon.
Yeah.
And we have to, what we have to do is like, if you're watching the podcast right now,
if you're listening to this, whatever you're doing, just make sure you go follow
at WonderingWednesday on Instagram.
And then show up, come hang out, come have a good time because we do some pretty cool things.
You know, the first 20 minutes are me and Jay Bullshit about what's going on in our life,
but it's pretty entertaining.
And then we go into Rotten Tomatoes and we, and we play a movie game,
like guess the score of the movie game and we give away stuff.
I would say, hold on, I would say we're bullshitting about what's going on in our lives, but
even in that 20 minutes, we're talking about stuff that's going on, period,
so that the people who are watching often join in on the conversation.
You know, and it's my initiative to try if I can remember to start each episode with today as national.
And usually there's like six of them and I choose, I try to choose the best one.
Some of them are pretty stupid, right?
Yeah, so I forgot to talk about it just now.
Again, you're like, yeah, see, yeah, like today's national cupcake day.
Wes, what's your favorite cupcake?
And then everybody tells us what their favorite cupcake is.
Right.
But we get in a lot of really fun conversations and then even with our,
our regulars, and then they start their little side conversations in the chat,
which was always fun.
Or you'll be talking to one, I'll be talking to the other one,
and we're supposed to be talking to each other.
That's always fun.
Yeah.
And then Jay calls me out on a lot of shit.
Hey, you should have pinned that comment, you jackass.
Yeah, you had to pin the comments, man.
The comments are gold.
Someone says something slick and sometimes we just miss them.
Yeah.
I mean, it's very interactive and it's very fun to do.
And like you said, it's not a podcast.
Everyone thinks it's a damn podcast, but it's a live that we do.
And you can't listen to it anywhere because like in my mind,
and this has changed over time, right?
Like we're all talking about a podcast.
It's just an audio thing, but it's, I mean, you're shifting to video.
I've always done video with mine, but I've also always done audio.
And I've always pushed the audio more than I pushed the video.
And it's just, you know, it's a fun time.
Video is good because we can see how we actually really feel about it
by looking at your face and seeing the inflection in your voice and that type of thing.
Yeah.
You know, and I think the biggest thing is people are like,
well, I don't drink or that's like, you know, half the people who join us
aren't actually drinking anything other than maybe water or iced tea.
Some people are actually joining us from work for five or 10 minutes while they're on break.
And then there's always maybe half of them that are drinking something along with us.
And we ask them, what are you drinking?
And then, you know, we haven't done a show until in a while,
but we invite people to show us, go live with us and show us what they got going on,
what they're working on, you know, their liquor collection, their gun collection,
you know, whatever they're welding, you know, like Emilio.
And then, yeah, they jump on and show us and they jump off.
And so, you know, I wanted to get you on here to kind of talk about
One Drink Wednesday and two Nobody's Who Know Nothing.
Yeah.
I mean, and there's, and it's funny because I think that a lot of people just need to know
who we are and know that we're just two regular dudes.
That's really what it is.
And we're having a good time.
It's a virtual bar.
Jay lives in Arizona.
I live in Idaho.
And it's like one of those ways that, you know,
this is the first year I feel like I haven't been down there to do one in the studio.
And I got to do it here because that's been kind of what it was the last couple of years.
It's like, I'm down there.
Let's go sit down and do a podcast.
And it's been a trying year, but it's getting better.
And we're on the up and up and hope to be on the other end of that shit here soon.
All right, Wes, let me let you bounce, get on with the rest of this.
And I will see you on One Drink Wednesday.
And I will talk to you like I normally talk to you on our little, is it signal we use?
Or telegram?
Telegram, telegram.
Telegram, every once in a while, I'll pull it over to Instagram or pull it over to just
regular voice chat and what I'm doing.
When you're sending me a reel or something.
All right, well, cheers, buddy.
Yep, all gone.
We'll see you.
Peace.
Later.
I want to thank West Tanger sleep for jumping on the show kind of at the last minute.
I just kind of thought it was time to have him back on the podcast.
And hopefully you guys can join us on One Drink Wednesday on Instagram.
That is at seven o'clock Pacific time.
And we usually grab a drink and talk about current events and chop it up with some of
our good friends and do a bunch of movie trivia and have a lot of fun with it.
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