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Matt and Tommy dive deep into the United States Grand Prix, highlighting Max Verstappen's impressive comeback in the championship with a 40-point gap now separating the top contenders. They discuss the struggles of Oscar Piastri, the strategic race of Lando Norris, and the complex dynamics within McLaren as the title fight intensifies. The hosts also analyze key moments like Charles Leclerc's role in the race, Alpine's controversial team orders, and notable battles in the midfield. The episode wraps up with reflections on Ferrari's performance and predictions for the remaining races, emphasizing the thrilling and unpredictable nature of this Formula 1 season.
Topics:
max verstappen comeback
oscar piastri struggles
lando norris strategy
mclaren team dynamics
charles leclerc race role
alpine team orders controversy
midfield battles
ferrari performance
championship predictions
race review analysis
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy. It feels like the
900th podcast of the weekend, but we are here for the most important one of all,
the race review. We're still in Austin, as you can tell. We'll be back at our set-ups for driver
ratings. Tommy, you're just smiling. I just can't believe the weekend. You're in dreamland,
not just because you're here in Austin because we've had a great weekend,
but the maths been mathing, sir. You, you're, well, we, we are so happy, aren't we? I
mean, to be fair, I'm actually happy. Like, Max banter aside, you know, I'm wearing this Ferrari
shirt with pride in this podcast for once. I'm very proud of Ferrari as well. I thank them very
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lock yourselves in, get your seatbelts on. It's my most memorable moment, not Tommy's,
and I'm going to go with Max Verstappen 40 point gap. 40 points. 40 points is what separates
the three drivers at the top of the standings. Lando's even closer, 14 points to Oscar Piastri,
but Max Verstappen has the momentum. He has the media coverage. He has a lot of fans, I think,
that probably in 2023 couldn't think of anything else, couldn't think of anything worse than
supporting him to win another championship, but they're all now on the Max bandwagon,
it feels like. And I can't believe we're even talking about the potential opportunity of that.
I can't believe we're talking about it either. I know we've had constant like
back and forth banter about this and that is what it started as. When he won the Italian
Grand Prix, we were here kind of saying, it's an outlier. Yes, Red Bull found something,
won by 20 seconds, but it's a very unique circuit. It's not going to happen. He's still
94 points behind. Obviously, it was 104 behind after the Dutch Grand Prix, but he was 94 behind
after Monza. And we had this almost comical kind of scenario that was like, look, if Max wins
every race, every sprint, Piastri suddenly gets the odd DNF here and the odd fifth place
and things like that. And Lando is also having, you know, McLaren aren't as quick and is finishing
second and third. He could win the championship. And it was almost like, very, very funny, but
it's not going to happen. And it's almost playing exactly out of that of that order,
minus, you know, a George Russell random victory in Singapore, but Max still took points
off, you know, took points off McLaren. And I can't believe we're here like, I'm just looking
at it now 104 points after the Dutch Grand Prix. And we're now at 40. So how many races ago
was that? So one, two, three, four, so five races ago, he has gained 64 points. Obviously,
the sprint in there as well. 64 points he's gained on a McLaren team and on Oscar
Piastri that we genuinely struggled to predict them outside of the podium. Oscar has not had a
podium in three races now and looks like he's genuinely struggling with the car. It's probably
the most concerning thing. If you're an Oscar Piastri fan who wants to see him win his first
world title, that he was genuinely just a bit mystified as to the feeling within the car.
He had no confidence and he couldn't couldn't push. He wasn't putting any pressure on the
Ferraris really apart from right at the end. He got within just over a second, I think,
of Hamilton, which was quite surprising. Lewis potentially falling off a cliff at the end there.
But apart from that, he genuinely just sat in fifth place. And that was that. Meanwhile,
you have Max Verstappen out in front, so comfortable. Big thanks to Charles Leclerc. It has to be said
for keeping Lando Norris at bay for so long. You're playing with your phone,
Tom. You're distracting me. What are you showing me?
I mean, this shares the Max dominance of the day that he led all 75 laps, 19 sprint, 56
grand prix, sprint pole, sprint win, sprint fastest lap, pole grand prix win. Didn't get the fastest
lap, but apart from that. And some people tried to say, how on earth could I predict Max Verstappen?
Good surprise. Well, there. Find out later. Give me that point right now, you absolute bleep.
Right. So, yeah, 40 point gap for Max Verstappen. It's just ridiculous. Question from P1P.
Remember, PGO stick one. What percentage is Tommy at now?
20. Is that it? Oh, my boring. I literally asked you walking back to the hotel, obviously. And
you said to me, you can wait for the podcast. I'm thinking it's going to be 30, 35, 40.
20% with five races to go. And Max has won how many races in the last few and a second place?
That's still a high chance for someone that's 40 points behind him.
Yeah, for someone that's an insane pessimist as well.
Yeah. And for someone that's that far, far behind, the reason it has increased so much
is just because, as I said earlier, he's kind of doing everything that we've said,
which is why the belief has shot up so much after this race. Because
after, I think it was like Baku, it was like, well, it's too little, too late. He needs another
really poor weekend from Oscar, potentially, you know, another double McLaren DNF. Obviously,
they got the double McLaren DNF in the sprint. And my pessimistic brain was still like,
oh, it's not enough because it's only eight. But then, you know, Oscar's finished fifth,
which is, you know, the scenarios that we've kind of had here is thinking that Oscar Piestri is going
to be third, you know, is going to be finishing third and second and things like that. But Oscar
Piestri will get onto him later. That he's, you know, been really, really struggling. And
yeah, I think, I think Max that it's really starting to believe now. And I just can't, I just
can't get my head around that this is happening. It doesn't feel real. And this is just what this
championship needed so badly. I can't, I can't tell you how much this has changed my enjoyment
of the World Championship. But it's not even because it's Max Verstappen, because of like Max
Verstappen being in it, it would be anyone, the fact that you've got the top three in the
championship flipped in the top three form between the three of them. It's closing in all the time.
It was looking like it was going to be one of the most boring and, you know,
the most boring and uninspiring championship fights we've ever seen. And now it's really
like cooking up like we could have an absolute all time banger.
An all time banger indeed is is cooking up right now for sure. Yeah, the McLaren fight,
as we've said, has, we've both struggled to fully emotionally invest in it due to all of the McLaren
team antics that we've spoken in depth about. But yeah, 20% for you. No one asks about my
percentages because I'm more of a realist. Right now, I'm sitting at a point where I'm
trying to be as realistic as possible. I think the hype is amazing. It's fantastic for the sport
that Max has a genuine chance now of winning the World Championship. I was trying to do the
maths and I think from what I could tell, he's three points away. If he was 37 behind Oscar,
with all of the races to come, he could win and it wouldn't matter where everyone else finishes. So
that was something playing in my mind. I still believe, you know, Lando has not fallen off
a cliff. He's been there. He finished second. We'll get onto his race. For me, I just can't
see past Red Bull having at least one race where Max struggles with the car or at least isn't as
quick as the McLarens and we get a one two and all of a sudden the narrative changes again and
it's between the two McLaren drivers. He's not close enough yet to be able to have a,
not a stinker, but a third place to Oscars first, for example. It's so true. He has to be
perfect. And I think today weirdly shared and we'll speak about this more later as we get onto
the McLarens race. But I don't think that was a case of, you know, Monza. I know it was comfortable
for Max and we've just said that he led every single sprint, everything, every single racing lap.
But I don't think he was miles ahead. And, you know, I think there's an argument to be had
that, you know, had Lando been in second behind him for the, from the very first corner,
Max would have certainly not had an easy race. I still think McLaren are very,
very quick. It's not, it's not like we've got a situation here like last year where Red Bull had
fallen off in pace. This is just Max kind of doing unbelievable things with that car that I
genuinely think is still second best to the McLaren. But he's just maximising the weekends
and putting in brilliant pole positions. And now he's able to basically challenge at the
front and win now. Let's get to a question from at PE1CHL. Max certainly has to thank
Charles here, right? Yes, I think so. I don't think it's an absolute slam dunk that Lando wins the
race does if he keeps that second place out of turn one. Looking at the race pace, it felt like
Lando in clean air maybe had a slight advantage, but it's still difficult to overtake. We saw
how long it took Lando to get through on Charles. I believe that Max would have held on and won
the race. It's hard to say, of course, you know, Lando said in the post race conference about Max's
famous phrase of balls and mums and dads and things like that. But I think he definitely
has Charles to thank in the way of the race being easy for him. It was very much just out
in front managing the gap, didn't have to push the tyres to a level that made him feel
uncomfortable. And it was very much just Max out in front, like 2023 all over again, seemingly
untouchable. And when Lando did get through, yeah, there was marginal gains, but nothing to suggest
that Lando would have had that half a second or six, seven, 10th advantage that you'd need to get
through on Max, who is quite literally the hardest driver to overtake. Yeah, indeed. I don't think
that Charles singlehandedly, you know, won Max the race, but he made it a hell of a lot easier for him,
because it just meant Lando couldn't put Max under any kind of pressure. So the fact that
Charles got in the mix meant that Max could stretch his legs and then he didn't need to
really worry for the rest of the race. And I certainly worried for the rest of the race.
Let me just run you through. Honestly, being, you know, in Tommy's presence,
when Max is winning. I'm going to be an emotional wreck for the rest of the race.
He is an absolute mess. Well, we had to leave the track very early because we wanted to do this
podcast. We literally left on lap 13 to bring you this podcast at a good reasonable hour.
So you're welcome. And even on the shuttle, watching the race on my phone,
Tommy's looking out the window. He can't... What's the gap? I'm like giving him intervals
and he's just, he's concerned even at a seven second gap with Charles Leclerc in second.
Like he's an absolute, like just completely and utterly in your own head about, you know,
Max, something's going to go wrong with Max. I mean, while I'm just staring at it going,
mate, trust me, there is literally nothing to worry about. And this is at a point where you,
you're literally 20% belief. If you get to 75%. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm going to be an emotional
wreck. If it closes again and it's even closer and we're really starting to believe,
it's going to be so difficult. It's so funny as well, because you have an urge, like, you know,
when you watch England play in the World Cup and you can't watch the penalties,
you haven't urged to not watch the race. I'm like, bro, we have a podcast. You can't just
not watch the race. So yeah, that will be a fascinating curveball for the P1 podcast. If
only one of us watches the race and the other one goes, well, yeah, at least Max won the
championship. That's fantastic. Next question from Alex Blissett. Who will McLaren back
now as the Verstappen threat has become real? Now, the reason I was at 20% and only 20%
is because a certain Lando Norris, I think, is really coming into the mix now. And I remember
thinking that after Zandvo, when Oscar Piastri extended to, was it like 32? Was it 32 on Lando?
After Lando's mechanical failure, there was a narrative kind of pushed, I think it was by,
by, you know, the UK coverage, that this might actually be good for Lando, because
there's no pressure on them and the pressure's off. And I will admit how wrong I was because
I think it was, I remember hearing that and thinking that's absolute BS. I don't believe
that at all. But I think we are actually potentially even seeing that play out. And I
do wonder how much it's helping Lando, not just the fact that Piastri is under all this enormous
pressure, but, and now is obviously starting to struggle quite a lot and is having this run
of form where he's not been on the podium a few times. Not only that, all the kind of talk seems
to be about, can Max do it? Can Max do it? It's almost like Lando's like the forgotten guy in
this championship. And he's on a good run of form. I know he's not taking headlines like Max
has happened is, but he's getting, he's now 14 points behind. And, you know, he's finished second
again. It's a much smaller deficit than Max has got. Piastri is really struggling. And this is
what has put my going to put McLaren in such a tough decision. Because how do they pick aside now
when they said this when Max was 70 points behind of, yeah, we might have to back one
driver, but how on earth do you pick now? Because, because, yeah, Oscar's got the points,
but it's not a huge amount of points now and Lando's the one in much better form. So
I genuinely don't know the answer to this one. McLaren can't back anyone is my thoughts on
this. Five races to go, neither doesn't have a world championship. Doesn't even matter if
they had 10 world championships like that. This is the absolute pinnacle of motorsport
winning this world championship. And they are within what a first and a fourth away from
essentially being on level on points. So McLaren can't back anyone if they were going to back them,
it would have been Piastri at 32 points ahead. But then we would be questioning, well, why would
you do that? Max is way behind. Absolutely nowhere near. So this is a dilemma that cannot
be fixed in my opinion. They cannot back Oscar because Lando is right there. And of course,
all of the narrative is Lando is the one being favoured. We had another slowish pit stop didn't
he today, which we'll get into a little bit later with your crazy prediction. But it is
a problem that cannot be fixed in my opinion. And this is going to work so beautifully into
Max Verstappen's hands. For me, you know, going back to the percentage, I didn't actually
say a percentage. I still think that Lando is at this point, and it could very well
change in two races, one race time. I think Lando has more confidence in the car. And I still believe
that Max and Red Bull will have a one maybe two race struggle between now and the end of the season.
So that's why I think right in if I was to be put in gunpoint, choose a world champion,
I think I would go with Lando. And Max may be missing out by marginally. And then we talk
about Spain and Tommy doesn't want to talk about it. That's where I sit right now.
But there's also a massive chance of Max Verstappen and McLaren. Yeah, it's so difficult
to in their position. What do they do? They've got Oscar who seemingly was completely and utterly
unfazed for most of this season. Now looking like he doesn't understand the car, at least
in Cota and he's had moments already in the last few that Singapore obviously aside because
of that. But he's in a phase of the of the calendar that we've seen him struggle before
and he's seemingly struggling again. I wouldn't want to be McLaren because we've spoken before
how important this will be in just the general narrative and the chatter which we know McLaren
care about a lot of if they don't win this driver's championship, I can't even begin to
it would be a story that would go on forever. No one has sort of overcome a deficit as big as Max
Verstappen back in 2022. And the deficit that was 104 that's more than double the record that's
ever happened in Formula One. So late in the season as well to do it. Yeah, so late. Yeah,
ridiculously late. So yes, I can't see McLaren backing any of them. They have to fight.
And it just is just so fine. It cost them. It's so fine. But yeah, it could cost them.
But they also they can't pick. Yeah, it's weird that they they're in a situation. Yeah,
they can't pick someone. But they yeah, but it could it could easily they almost need. And I
wonder if like the top McLaren chiefs and Zach Brown or Zach Brown, obviously, we know that he
has an allegiance towards Lando. He's got a personal collection with him. But from like
a business perspective, McLaren needs a DNF from one of their drivers. Yeah, it's an insane
thing to say. The massive and make the call to be fair if Lando was to win and Oscar have
a DNF, that's still 12 points. Yeah. And then yeah, it would need to be in a in a weird way,
a Lando DNF and Oscar to have more than a race victory with four races to go. Then they could
have the argument that they have to back a driver. That's the only way. Yeah, because
because I was about to ask you and say like, how many points does Max need to be behind
for them to make that decision? But I think it's more on the gap between Oscar and Lando as
it is between Max. That's what's making it such a challenge of making this this question so difficult.
But they actually have the minerals McLaren to actually say, you know, Lando is 26 behind Oscar
to go, no, you have to play second fiddle now. It's just and there's no way that there's no way.
I think the way Lando has spoken about the way he wants to win a world championship,
he is McLaren through and through. You know, the way he's like celebrated the constructors
championship almost like it's a world title for him for himself. Because it really does mean a
lot to him. I think he would be more inclined to be incredibly difficult, but would be more
inclined if the time came to say, okay, I'll do it for the team. I don't think Oscar and
Oscar Piatri's camp are allowing that in any scenario. If it's mathematically impossible,
then we continue to fight. Mark was on the receiving end of that exact situation with
Sebastian Vettel. So fascinating stuff. The championship is so finely poised and it just
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Tommy, what is your most memorable moment?
My most memorable moment is Oscar Piastri and basically just the fact that he is in
Struggletown right now. We said this last race that his form isn't bad enough to really,
you know, hit the panic alarm. He's got one finger on the panic alarm,
but he's not pressed it, I think at the moment, because this is not the way the championship I
thought would go. We had, we said it yesterday that after Zandvoort, we had the conversation that
is it done? Is it over? Has he won the championship? He's 104 clear of Max, which we weren't even
speaking about, but that was because he was 32, was it? Or 34? 32? I think it was 32.
32, clear of Lando. And it's like, okay, that's going to be too much to overcome when they're
going to be finishing one, two every single week. And the gap has just been coming down and down
and down. Not only has Max closed in on this massive deficit, Lando's closed in. He's not
scoring podiums. I think the one saving grace is that in Singapore, had that incident not happened,
he obviously outqualified Lando. So he has got it in him still. But you do, I think as much as we
can look at something like Baku, I'm also wondering how much like Monza and the situation that happened
there, where there was never a hope that you know, Max would be in this championship after Monza.
And it didn't feel like it was such a big thing. But you look back at it now and wonder
how that situation planned out. That was just so unnecessarily needed to get messy in a championship.
And you know, Oscar feeling like he's not backed by the team and the whole kind of like
pile on that happened of McLaren saying, what are you doing in the championship? Why are you doing
that? That has increased the pressure as well. And I'm not, I'm not for a second saying that
moment is the reason he crashed in Baku. You know, he had a terrible Baku Grand Prix weekend.
But these things are all adding up now. You have you have that moment in Monza,
then you have the Baku crash, then you have the Singapore moment where he believed that because
of papaya rolls and the way it is, you don't collide with your teammate. He should have been
allowed to get back. And the team said no. But then now they've kind of flipped and said, well,
there were repercussions. So it's almost like they are, they've changed their mind. And
I don't think that is helping at all in a championship fight.
There's a lot of external factors, isn't there? There was so much more that's adding
to the pressure, I think. I agree for sure. You make a good point about Monza. I mean,
how much would he love to go back to that situation? Say no, jog on and have a 20 point
margin over Lando because yeah, it's three points with three points in either direction.
So Lando gained three and he lost three. So it's such a difficult thing for
Oscar to be managing. It's the first time he's ever challenged for a world title.
It's his third season, which I have to echo and keep saying because
he has learned as much as he's come across like this bulletproof character,
on the inside, he's got to be constantly just learning and adapting and trying to
figure out how to deal with all these different situations. These arguments within the McLaren
team of is this fair, is this fair and things like that. As much as McLaren think that it is
helpful for the two drivers to have a fair fight, I agree with you, it's creating more noise than
if they were just battling on track and then came together and oh, that wasn't very nice.
They talk about it a little bit at Singapore and it's over. There's no more media coverage of
it. But now it's repercussions. It lingers on and on and on.
And so yeah, I'm sure it doesn't help. The media noise does not help.
So let's go into a question from people on Patreon member Alan Enderpay.
With all this pressure building up for Piastri, will he start to really worry about possibly losing
the championship? I think that he's human, right? I believe this would be probably the first time,
in my opinion, that he will be looking firmly in his mirrors now and going,
oh wow, yeah, they are really close. And it's not just Lando, it's Max Verstappen
lurking in the background as well. So I think he would be, he'd have no emotions if he wasn't
worrying about that right now. And his performance in Austin would suggest that yes, he is starting to
perhaps overthink a little bit at the moment. And he was miles off. He was miles off Lando's
pace. He was running in clean air in fifth place. He couldn't get anywhere close to the
front three. If this carries on, there's no chance of him winning the world title.
So for him, he has to reset. We go to Mexico, don't we, next weekend,
not necessarily a McLaren track. So you might well think that they're going to be on the
back foot potentially there as well, because Red Bull has always been very good and Max especially.
I do genuinely believe he is starting to worry about losing the championship and he has to
bounce back and he has to put in a performance that shows not necessarily in qualifying. Like he's
pretty good in qualifying and has been across this whole year, but he needs to make like a statement
because right now his lead is just constantly evaporating away. I said after the sprint race
where he had that collision, again, you know, it's not penalty worthy, but he's he's taken
a big risk for changing his line so dramatically. And before qualifying, it was a case of look,
Oscar needs a big result soon. He needs he needs a big result to silence this chat of
is he crumbling? Is it too much now? Is the pressure getting too much for him? And instead,
he has arguably one of his worst, you know, qualifying performances with a deficit to Lando
where where his most impressive thing at the start of the season was the fact that he'd sorted
qualifying out. He was so so quick. He's getting lots of pole positions. You know, we were
halfway through when we did our midseason driver ratings and Oscar Piastri was easily the driver
of the year up up until that stage, we thought how on earth is Oscar Piastri doing this? He looks
so comfortable. And the thing the thing here is that he'd had that start to the season.
You look at last year, and he went through a stage in the middle of the season last year,
where I think I even said it during one of our live shows and we were talking about it that
like, I think Oscar could win the title next year, he's looking so good. And then he had a really
bizarre end to the championship. You've just got the results up now of what happened at the end of
last season. So when we actually look so from Mexico to Abu Dhabi, his results were eighth,
eighth, seventh, third and 10th. Of course he had the Abu Dhabi issue with Max, but that is not
good reading if you're Oscar Piastri. What is actually really fascinating now is now we're
looking at this and we've got the side by side. His results are almost matching up, very, very
similar to the middle of the season last year, he was on form. The middle of the season this year
is on form, you know, all his best results kind of came between Austria, Hungary, Netherlands,
Belgium, Monza, stuff like that. And then the form dropped off. Now he needs to be
praying that that doesn't happen again. But it surely got to be in his mind, thinking that, you know,
when we look back to what happened after Zandvoort was presented with a brilliant chance
and, you know, he only needed very few, very few points really, like Lander could have taken
seven points here, seven points there, ages the rest of the season and he still would have
probably been fine. But he can't afford to go on a bad run now at all.
No, and the record suggests that he may well do. So let's hope for his sake, he's able to pick up
his form and really challenge Lando and Max on track. Next question, Conman 81. What happens
first? Lando catching Oscar or Max catching Lando? That's a really, really difficult
question because, as I say, the form is flipped of the way the championship is going.
I'd probably say Lando catching Oscar, to guess. But that is really marginal. I'm not confident
either way of what's happening because all I know is that the way it's going right now
is it's all just closing and closing and closing between all three of them and we could be in a
situation where, you know, if we get to the point with two or three races to go, and even if it is,
because Max obviously has a long way to go still, 20 points separating them with
three races to go, two races to go, it's going to be so good going in. The pressure will be
unbelievable going into those final races. It really will. I'm trying it in my head,
go through this mathematical scenario where, if we're talking about form, it's Max Lando Oscar.
Let's say for the next three, four races, they finish in that order. Max will take 10 points
out of Oscar every single time, which means in four races time, with one to go, he will have
the same amount of points as Oscar Piastri. Obviously, there's a sprint in there as
well, but we'll ignore that for a second. If Max then has Lando in second, that's a
seven point gain over the next four, which is 28 points. He's 27 behind Lando,
which means you could, in theory, in the next four races, if that is how they
finish, they'd have one point between all three of them. Oh, please, sign me up.
That is an insane scenario. If I've done the maths correct, that is ridiculous. Maybe
a sprint thrown in there and a sprint, it could be one or two points different.
We could genuinely have a three way fight going into Abu Dhabi, and that's not even an insane
theory to say that. How has this happened? Because we hyped up this season so much,
and then immediately within the first three races going, oh, okay, McLaren are just
going to win. And then even halfway through going, oh, this is a really
underwhelming fight between the two McLarens. And now we're hyping it up again as the most
generational championship fight. It could be. It could be. We're not there yet, but we're
close. We're close. And obviously, how can we forget George Russell? He is still in contention.
Shaula Clare has, unfortunately, after the Austin weekend, fallen out of contention of
the World Championship, which is gutting. You know, there was potentially a comeback. He was
halfway alongside Max out of turn two. So that's when I believed. And then very quickly, I didn't.
Next question. People in the picture remember Bay Sempz, did Lando run a very smart race? Cutting
into Oscar's lead with minimal risk for a P2 seems like a very measured approach.
On the absolute face of it, yes, I would say that he was incredibly measured just like
we sort of predicted, didn't we? We said that in the run up to the race after qualifying,
Lando will probably not do anything particularly crazy, but we don't tend to really see that from
Lando. We don't see a George Russell dive bomb sprint race thing that we saw earlier this weekend.
And I think that Lando did run a very smart race. I think McLaren and Will Joseph deserve
some plaudits as well of kind of screwing Lando's head on ever so slightly after the
soft tires started to overheat and just said, look, just take a little bit of time.
Come off the back of Charles Leclerc, put the carcass temperatures back down
and then go on another attack. And that's what he did. And he went through. I think the one thing
that obviously cost Lando a chance at the win was the start. I think that's more,
I would say that's more on Charles Leclerc having a brilliant start on the soft tires
and swinging to the outside, taking basically the racing line into turn one.
And I think Charles did a brilliant job there. Lando, I think where you can probably be
critical of him is how long it took to get past Charles Leclerc, especially in that first stint,
the amount of times you would go to the outside, something we've had a very large frustration
of him in previous races. But when you look at it at the end of the day, he finished second,
Oscar finished fifth, he didn't pick up any damage. Yes, there might have been a chance
of beating Max Verstappen. But if we look back at qualifying, we said, well, we're not
going to have a go at him if he doesn't, if he is cautious, because he's trying to win
a world championship and sometimes a second place is better than a first. And I don't think he had
the pace advantage to even have a chance of beating Max. So when all is said and done,
it was a smart race from Lando. And he may well look back at moments like this and think,
that is exactly how I need to win a world championship. So small little bits of,
he could have done better there for sure. I think it was slightly
frustrating to watch it. Well, not for me. I was loving Charles Leclerc in P2.
Keep going to the outside line. But Lando did have a decent race. I think it's fair to say.
A decent race, yeah. This is one for driver ratings. But he doesn't deserve huge plaudits for
having this amazing race, because I think he had had the pace of Max. I think the start
can't blame him too much for being cautious at turn one. We said it that he doesn't need to go for
a ridiculous dive bomb on Max. He can settle in behind. Obviously, the problem for him was that
Charles was starting on the soft tyres, so he would get a good run on him. It was very
frustrating. And it's part of Lando's game that, you know, he's incredibly quick and fast
racing driver, but his strongest asset is not his kind of wheel-to-wheel aggressiveness sometimes.
And there's a risk versus reward there, of course. But it felt like he was doing the same move all
the time going to the outside when I think I was very, I was basically willing to give him
the benefit of the doubt of being cautious on Max's step, and I totally understand that.
But Charles Leclerc should have been a bit easier pickings. I think Charles did a sensational job
as well. But I do think Lando should have got through, and then it's maybe a case of you never
know, he could have challenged. But then I think you're totally right that when you look at the
whole race from the face of it, even if he had made the move on Charles Leclerc in one lap,
got it done, would he have had the pace to make a move on Max Verstappen because you need a big
deficit with these cars with so much dirty air and, you know, it wouldn't have been an easy move.
So then, no, I don't think he would have. So yeah, it's not like it's a good result for his
championship, for sure, to be P2, because with Oscar so far behind, he's the one that's caught up
even more. Indeed, yeah. You look at the end of the race, and well, the first stint compared to the
end of the race. Charles Leclerc was sort of like six, seven seconds behind Max, and yet you see that
Lando lost 10 seconds behind Charles Leclerc in that first stint. So it could well have been
very costly, but it's all very much speculation as to whether he would have beaten Max Verstappen.
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Next question, P1Patreon member DK161444. What are your thoughts on the Yuki Oli battle?
Yeah, a crazy moment for sure. I think to be fair to Oli Bearman, I think Yuki got caught out by Yuki
Sonoda. I think on reflection, I was kind of like, whoa, what are you doing? Yuki was wise,
and we've seen that move many times of a dive up the inside, the way that corner goes.
And I think what happened there was Oli had lined up that move the whole way round and was
ready to go for it. And at the last minute, Yuki was like, I know exactly what you're going to do.
I'm going to cover the inside and it caught Oli out. So it's not like the most insane thing.
But what I would say is that in theory, the being on 10 penalty points should make you
think a bit, in theory, that the whole reason for that being in place is to be more cautious and
try and avoid accidents. And of course, it's a long time until they reset. So maybe it wasn't
a very, very risky thing to do. Because you could argue that if you're on 10 penalty points
and you're in a situation where one bad move, bad move, you're getting a race ban,
you need to make sure that your move is almost like completely risk free. And I think
going up the inside of that corner is a risky move. We saw, you know,
Sainz and Antonelli collide there and many others in the past. So I think it was just
a little bit of an experience from Oli, but I'm not going to give him too much heat from it.
But I do think he needed to be a little more cautious just because of the situation he's
found himself in at the moment.
It's a difficult one. I think your point on the penalty points and having 10 penalty points,
as a Formula One driver, you can't just be constantly sat there in a race car doing the race,
thinking I'm on 10 penalty points, I need to be cautious. Like they are very much acting on
instinct. That being said, I'm not defending Oli here because it was his mistake. He'd made
his mind up that he was going to go up the inside no matter where Yuki went.
Yuki was, I think, to Oli's defence slightly as to why it was such an extreme incident in the
sense of him going across the grass and spinning was that Yuki was quite slow on that double left
hand corner because he wanted to cover the inside line. And then you see a little jolt to the
left a bit more because he saw, oh my goodness me, Oli is still committing to the inside line.
Well, there's no track there. So it's definitely on Oli in my opinion.
Yuki don't think he really had his part to play. He's very much in his own right,
in his right, he can do that. He's allowed to cover the inside. It doesn't matter if he goes a
little bit slower, breaks a bit earlier to make sure he covers the inside. That's what he was
doing. And it's up to Oli to make a decision of where else to put his car. So yeah, it was a very
close moment for Oli and it would have ended up in a race band, I think, had he collided with
Yuki. Yeah, crazy to think. Count his lucky stars, really, that he's not coming away with
two penalty points. So yeah, sad for Oli because I think that meant he lost a position to Hülkenberg
as well at the time. Next question, P1 Patreon member Bex P. What are your thoughts on Alpine
imposing team orders when there were literally no points at stake? Completely and utterly
ridiculous. What are we doing here? Just let Colin Pinto, who is literally fighting for
his life, for his career, and again, doing a great job on the back of Gasly. He was so much
quicker than Gasly. I think he was on the fresher tyres and he was just all over the back of him,
the entire lap round. Bortoletto was there sort of sneaking around, trying to get past as well.
Holding position when you've got a... It doesn't matter if it's for 17th and 18th.
There was Bortoletto in 19th, also trying to get through. So the wise decision is Alpine
over the radio to Gasly and going, look, just don't make it hard for Colin Pinto. He's much
quicker than you get through. That didn't happen. Instead, he was told to hold position. I've just
seen an FIA document come through and always have a slight heart attack that something's happened.
That's actually just the Carlos Sainz doc. But instead, Colin Pinto gets told, hold position.
Colin Pinto then ignores that team radio call. And I think that is where, as much as it's
a bit silly for Alpine to even try and get them to hold position. For Franco, I don't know if that
works in his favour by the way that he has then just ignored those team orders. There's nothing to
gain from him passing Gasly because he's already shown he's got the pace. He's not impressing
anyone by going past Gasly, in my opinion, at least in the paddock, of course, maybe in
the fans. And his fans would love to see that move. But from a team perspective,
Franco is trying to get a long-term contract probably from Alpine. So whether that would
have worked in his favour, I'm not sure. But that being said, I think Franco, again,
doing a brilliant job of being very much on par with Gasly, if not a little bit quicker.
That's something that is not being spoken about enough. And he should get his plaudits for that.
It's an absolute joke, the team orders. I think it's so, so, so unfair on Franco
Colopinto to impose those team orders. Because I would argue, if anything, the situation, if you're
throwing team orders in that situation, the team order is to Gasly to say, your teammate is behind
you on much fresher tyres, don't hold him up or don't let him go. If anything, it's the team
orders the other way. So I can't believe they've put Franco in a really awkward situation.
And I agree that I don't think it's going to look great on him, that he's
ignored team orders and gone for the move. But it's such an awkward position to be in,
because he had such a tyre advantage. I could totally understand them saying,
hold position, if they're on completely the same tyre dealt, like situation,
same number of laps or everything. And there wasn't this big difference.
Because you go, look, Franco, there's no point doing a risky move here.
You might collide. But he had such an advantage that it just made it so silly. And then, of course,
yeah, it puts him in a really awkward situation where he wants to impress and he wants to show
the team, look, I'm quicker than Gasly. I'm in the situation. I can make a move really easily.
But then he'll get loads of heat on him as well, because he's ignored team orders. I think
it's ridiculous from Alpine to do that. At least he does have that argument,
what we've sort of mentioned. I think he can stand his own when I'm going with the team.
I hope they don't do anything silly here based on it, because I personally think,
you know, unless Franco has this absolutely horrendous run, I personally think he's done
enough now to stay. Yeah, for sure. I think he's doing some pretty good results. The only
thing that we can really judge him on is his comparison to Gasly. And he's doing a remarkable
job with that, I would say. Next question, P1Picture. Remember, Jennifer English,
how well did Ferrari perform relative to what we expected? Did they show signs of resurgence,
or was it just a one-off? Well, I didn't, you know, there's still time to get the
disqualification document in if the line has been worn. No, but I couldn't believe Ferrari's
performance. If you'd have said that after what happened in sprint qualifying, and how we were,
you know, you were at your lowest saying what on earth is going on Ferrari, they are genuinely
rubbish behind Williams, struggling so, so much firmly into the midfield.
Yeah, they got a good sprint result, but that was good luck because of the chaos.
And if you'd have said that you go into this, you know, the next day, and another qualifying
session at the same track, it's not like crazily different conditions. And certainly
Charles Leclerc is fighting for a front row on the grid and battling for P2 in the race. And
even Hamilton, you know, I know he dropped off at the end, but was finished fourth.
I just can't believe, you know, third and fourth almost seemed like a minor miracle. And it's probably,
you know, sad for you that that is what they're at now. But it is an impressive result based on
just how bad things were on Friday. So as you say, yeah, I was at my lowest, wasn't I, on Friday,
just purely because I was just sick of like this being the norm. Well, now after Sunday,
well, now after Sunday, we're so back, we're winning it all next year. There's a lot of promise to,
no, I'm kidding. I'm not quite there yet. But I was just sat there going, what, how? I don't,
I don't understand what is going on at Ferrari. And I don't think they truly understand either
just purely through these peaks and troughs of performance, of how to dial this car in.
It's, it's quite sad to watch as a Ferrari fan, but this was a positive for sure. I'm proud of the
team for bouncing back after Friday. I think Charles Leclerc had a phenomenal race, made the
soft tyre work the only driver, I think in the top 12 or whatever it was on the starting grid,
to start on the soft tyre and to take it that long into the race as well, I think was, was
something that none of us expected. And then the mediums worked very well as well in his
next stint. So I don't know if this is a resurgence personally. I can't think, I don't think you
can really say that when the consistency isn't there. But it was nice to watch and a Charles
Leclerc podium is, is something that I will always accept. So a positive day for sure. So,
you know, I'm just, it's a humbling experience 2025, because when Charles Leclerc is on a
15 race, win streak, I will like look back to these times and think, wow, well, you know,
now we're in the glory days. Biggest winner we're going to head to, driver or team? Who are we
going to crown as the biggest winner of this weekend? I think Max Verstappen has, has a really
large shout for that one. Is it Max or Verstappen? It's literally, it's literally, like,
there's literally no one else it could be. Yeah, for sure. We'll give Max Verstappen biggest
winner. Biggest loser, I think, hmm, who are we going to throw? I think Holkenberg. No, actually,
no, he's scored good points. He's scored good points in the race, but I'm just thinking
about what happened to the spread. I think it's got to be Askopiastri. Askopiastri, yeah.
Pressure has mounted up so much. He's lost. That's a very good point. He is basically,
because what, what did he lose to Max, 23 points? 23 points. So it's almost like a normal race,
where it was another backer of like a DF and a win for Max. So we said that he needed another
Max to be able to close on Piestri, needed almost another 25 point swing. And he almost
got that. You know, I think, I think the most concerning thing for Piestri in a weird way
is it wasn't, I know it was a crash in the sprint, but when we were talking about
the race, he was just slow. And I think that is the thing that's so concerning. So it's
got to be Piestri. Piestri definitely up there. I think Alex Albon had a pretty difficult weekend
as well, having that spin on Portoletto, I think it was.
Want to apologize as well. If we've got any sort of small details wrong, because
it's very difficult to keep up with everything when you're at the track and when you're
losing reception, watching it on a shuttle and things like that. But yes, I think the screens
fail on the first lap. Yeah, that was crazy. So we were literally, we were, we were sat down
ready to watch the race. And of course, you know, you watched the screen for 90%, 95% of the time
at a Formula One race. It's mad to think when you actually say it out loud that most of your time.
So we could see the track and we could see a screen.
Yeah. And we're going, right, here we go then. Formation lap starts, screen turns off.
And we're sat there like.
And by not turned off as in like, like all signal goes on all of them in the whole
area. So that so we didn't basically see that one until the replay and we saw them go.
Well, we didn't see it until they literally went past. And I saw Charles Leclerc in second and went,
this is the greatest day of my life. So that was when I did think we were winning it all.
Sadly, Charles has been eliminated from championship contention.
Okay, let's now look back at our predictions that we made on the run up to this United
States Grand Prix. Very close indeed. 45-44 to Tom Bellingham. As we head to a good surprise,
where I cannot wait to talk about this one. Because of course, I went for Max Verstappen,
who gained 23 points on Oscar Piastri, who literally had a maximum score from a sprint weekend.
And people are going, how on earth can that be a Max Verstappen's good surprise? Well,
there you go. He didn't get fastest lap though, did he?
Great. Kimmy Antonelli. I'm joking. Yeah, it has to be. Because if you go, oh,
how can Max be a good surprise? But it's like... Any driver can be a good surprise.
Yeah. And also, if Max had won the sprint and finished second in the race, this wouldn't come
in. If anything, you're risking going for a top driver because they have to be literally perfect
in an almost overachieve even more. And that's what he did. So thank you very much. I'll take the
point. Tommy, was yours a good surprise? Not even remotely. It was Gabrielle Bortoletto,
who I think arguably was one of... This is almost biggest flop territory of how for Bortoletto.
Not even big flop, biggest flop. Because Hülkenberg just had the measure of him all weekend.
Hülkenberg looked so, so quick. And Bortoletto was really, really struggling. So terrible, no points.
Terrible indeed. So we are now level. We are now level as we head to a big flop,
where I went for Kimmy Antonelli. Of course, having a very difficult race indeed,
where did he finish? Out of the points. P13, I will take the flop. The flop is back.
The Williams, if that had come in, my flop streak would be so crazy right now.
Yes, Kimmy Antonelli, I went for, sorry Kimmy, but that is indeed a big flop. So I am now technically
in the lead. Wow, this feels good. Let me just soak this in for a second before it all probably
changes again. Tommy, who did you go for a big flop? I went for Ferrari. And I was so confident.
This was like locked in on Friday, as I have cooked. And then we're like third and fourth,
please. Thank you very much. Okay, no points for Tommy so far. We now go to Sprint Pole,
where I went for Lando Norris, because you took my Max Verstappen, which is really annoying,
because that would have been correct. But this is the game. The game's the game. You went for
Max Verstappen. Well done. Tommy gets a point. We are level. We now go to Sprint Win, where I went
for Max Verstappen. So I will take another point. Goodness, this has been a good week.
There's a lot of points, at least for me. What about you? What did you go for?
I went for Oscar Piestri, because you took Max Verstappen from me.
Yeah, well, you know, tough luck. I'm really sorry. Pole position. I don't think I was going to go for
Max Verstappen here, but I went for Lando Norris, and that was wrong. And I went for Max Verstappen.
So we're level again. We are level again. Crazy scenes, trying to keep up with all of this.
Third place in the race. And this was too high. I went for Oscar Piestri.
I went for Max Verstappen. In second position. And this was because
I think I was trying to block you. Otherwise, I was potentially going to go for a Max P1,
but I went for Max P2 to make you have a terrible P1. So sadly, no points for me.
And yeah, I went for Oscar Piestri P2. And in first position, I went for Lando Norris,
which was incorrect. And you went for... I went for George Russell, because I couldn't pick Lando
Norris. Which wouldn't have been right anyway. One crazy prediction. So my one crazy prediction,
and I'm kind of annoyed with the phrasing that I've got here. I went for Lando and Oscar have
another disagreement. Why did I not just say that there will be another McLaren incident?
Yeah, that's crazy. Because if anything, they didn't disagree because they were like,
oh, if anything, they were all quite lovely about crashing into each other.
Lando backed Oscar. And then they weren't close enough in the race to even have a
mild disagreement because... Crazy. Yeah, that's really annoying because it's kind of right in
another dimension. But alas, I need to figure out the way I say things.
And my crazy prediction. Oh my god. Say this and we'll tell the story.
So my crazy prediction was all McLaren pit stops are under three seconds. And yeah, we were basically
watching the McLaren pit stops. And after Piestri's, they did, I think it was like a
2.1 or something. And I was like, there we go. One down, one to go. We're halfway there.
This is it. The crazy predictions getting locked in. Lando comes into the pits. 3.8.
So we were actually on the shuttle at this point, watching it on our phone and
the cheer I gave out. And people were looking around because they were obviously
other Formula One fans on the shuttle. And I'm cheering away and they're probably
thinking something massive has happened. You know, I'm wearing a Ferrari top.
It's a Ferrari in the lead. No, I'm cheering because Tommy's crazy prediction
isn't coming in on the podcast because competitive. And this is what makes everything
very fun indeed. Let's go to our Patreon prediction. If you're part of the people on Patreon,
you can submit a prediction for us to be or for us to select. And my one, and this was
generationally wrong, was Zingy 13. Sprint poll does not win the sprint.
Same for the main qualifying and race. And Max was like, clean sweet for the whole thing.
Thank you very much. Indeed. And mine was from Glush Lunt outscores Fernando,
which did not happen. Fernando got a cheeky point. Does that mean we'll level on points
going into the next race? Yes, we are. I think that is wow. What a title fight.
What a title fight. This is what everybody cares about. Family top three is what people
care about as well. It's currently nine eight to the boring Bellingham's. Let's see how my
mum and your dad did in third position. My mum went for George Russell, which was incorrect.
And my dad went for Charlotte Claire, which was correct. No. I remember you're scoring zero this
time as well. Yeah, that's the one that's come in. In second place, my mum went for
Oscar Piastri, the wrong McLaren. And my dad went for Max Verstappen, which was incorrect.
But my mum backed Max Verstappen for the win. So we get a point. Thank you,
mum. Appreciate you. And my dad went for Lewis Hamilton, which was incredibly bold.
Yeah, I mean, half of the FP1. We thought maybe maybe. And actually, someone mentioned something
quite funny that I'd forgotten this because we recorded the predictions actually quite a long
time ago. But my dad gave an additional prediction when he phoned up and said that he thought the
McLarens were going to crash into each other. And it happened. So no points there. But it was
just quite quite funny to look back on. But you did score one point with another Ferrari
driver. So there you go. Back Ferrari is the is the moral of the story here.
Right. That is it. Thank you everybody for tuning in to this on the go. We're on traveling right
now and we in Austin. But thank you for tuning in to all of the content that we've put out over
the last few days. It's been busy, but we've loved doing it. And yeah, can't wait for Mexico
next weekend, where maybe we'll be back on UK time, but then we'll have to be it'll be
quite late again, won't it? I guess we're in a local time. Tell me what your final thoughts
before we go final thoughts. Yeah, what a what an insane weekend of action. I think we've not
really spoken about how I think the race is always hard to tell when you're at the track and
you're kind of watching it. You know, in your kind of different setup of like how good that
race was. But from what I saw, it didn't seem like the greatest race in the world, but so much to
talk about because of this amazing championship fight and how the drama has just ramped up so much.
Yeah, I don't think it really gave off a particularly great race. Of course, the
Lando-Charl battle was was interesting to watch. And I think the midfield were doing
some things. But on the face, it didn't seem like an amazing one. Be interested to hear
your thoughts that are listening to this. And that is it. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.
Next weekend, we go again. Can Max close the gap even more? We'll see you soon.
Please love. Bye. Bye.
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