Vin Anatra / The Cost of Loving Cars
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used car lot
A used car lot is a place where people sell cars that other people have already owned. These cars are usually cheaper than new ones.
Term
subprime loans
Subprime loans are special loans for people who might have a harder time paying back money. Because it's riskier for the lender, these loans usually have higher interest rates, meaning you pay more over time.
Term
financing
Financing means borrowing money to buy something big, like a car or boat, and then paying it back little by little instead of all at once.
Term
depreciate
Depreciation means a car loses value as it gets older or used more. So, a car you buy today might be worth less if you sell it later.
Car
Mercedes-Benz 560 SEC
The 560 SEC is a fancy Mercedes car from the 1980s that looks cool and is fun to drive slowly around. People like to fix them up and make them look even better.
Car
Mercedes-Benz W204 C63
The W204 C63 is a sporty Mercedes car made between 2008 and 2015 that has a strong engine and is fun to drive fast.
Term
slush box auto
A 'slush box' is an old-fashioned name for an automatic transmission. It means the car changes gears by itself but can feel slow or not fun to drive.
Car
Mercedes-Benz CLK
The Mercedes-Benz CLK is a fancy car that looks sporty and comfortable. Some versions have a supercharger, which makes the engine more powerful.
Term
twin cam
Twin cam means the engine has two parts that open and close the valves, helping the engine run better and faster.
Term
single cam
Single cam means the engine has one part that opens and closes the valves. It's simpler but not as good for high power.
Car
Mercedes-Benz 300 TD
The Mercedes-Benz 300 TD is an old station wagon that uses diesel fuel. It's very reliable but not very fast.
Concept
Sight Unseen
Buying a car 'Sight Unseen' means you buy it without seeing it in person first. It can be risky because you don't know exactly what condition it's in.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part that helps your car's engine make more power by pushing extra air into it. This means the car can go faster and be more efficient without needing a bigger engine.
Part
OM 617 engine
The OM 617 is a type of diesel engine made by Mercedes-Benz. It's famous because it lasts a very long time and is very strong, so people like to put it into different cars.
Car
Toyota 2JZ engine
The 2JZ is a type of engine made by Toyota that is very strong and can be made to go really fast. People often compare other engines to it because it's so good.
Car
Volkswagen Gtis
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car made by Volkswagen. It is good for everyday use and is easy to drive.
Car
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is a fast car that has power going to all four wheels, making it good for racing and driving in tricky conditions.
Car
Subaru WRX STI
The Subaru WRX STI is a sporty car that has power to all four wheels and a turbo engine, making it fast and good for racing.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty version of a regular BMW car, made for people who like to drive quickly and have fun.
Car
Volkswagen Golf GTI
The Volkswagen GTI Mark II is a sporty small car made in the 1980s and 1990s. People like to change parts on it to make it faster or cooler.
Part
five lug
Five lug means the car's wheels are held on by five bolts, which helps keep the wheels on safely, especially when driving fast.
Part
12 valve VR6 engine
The 12 valve VR6 engine is a type of six-cylinder engine made by Volkswagen that is smaller and smoother than usual engines. It helps the car go faster and sound cool.
Part
bigger brakes
Bigger brakes mean the car can stop better and safer, especially when driving fast or on twisty roads.
Part
OBD2 setup
OBD2 is a system in cars that helps check if the engine is working right and lets mechanics find problems quickly.
Car
Peugeot Gti 205
The Peugeot 205 GTI is a small, sporty car made by Peugeot. It is known for being fun to drive and easy to handle.
Car
Volkswagen Jetta
The Volkswagen Jetta is a small family car made by Volkswagen. It is used for everyday driving and can carry several people comfortably.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a large, sporty SUV made by Porsche. It is designed to carry people and cargo comfortably while still being fast and fun to drive.
Car
BMW F20
The BMW 1 Series is a small luxury car made by BMW. It is designed to be comfortable and fun to drive.
Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a small, sporty convertible car made by Honda. It is known for being fun to drive and having an engine that can spin very fast.
Company
FCP Euro
FCP Euro is a website where you can buy real and high-quality parts for European cars like BMW and Porsche. They promise to replace parts for free if they ever go bad.
Car
Volkswagen Scirocco
The Volkswagen Mark I Scirocco is an older sporty small car made by Volkswagen. People like it because it looks cool and is fun to drive.
Car
Chevrolet Chevelle
The Chevrolet Chevelle is an old American car known for being strong and fast. Many people like to fix and keep these cars because they are special.
Term
carbureted car
Older cars used a part called a carburetor to mix gas and air for the engine. These cars need to warm up before driving to run smoothly.
Concept
car enthusiast
A car enthusiast is a person who really loves cars and enjoys everything about them.
Car
BMW E39
The BMW 5 Series is a medium-sized luxury car made by BMW. It is comfortable and good for both driving and everyday use.
Car
BMW M5
The BMW E39 M5 is a sporty version of a BMW car made in the late 1990s and early 2000s. It's known for being fun to drive and powerful.
Car
BMW M2
The BMW M2 is a small, sporty car made by BMW. It is designed to be fast and fun to drive.
Term
halo car
A halo car is a fancy or fast car a company makes to show off and get people interested in their brand.
Term
T tops
T tops are car roofs where you can take out two panels to let in fresh air, kind of like a convertible but with a bar in the middle.
Term
supercars
Supercars are very fast and fancy cars made to be really exciting to drive and look at.
Term
hypercars
Hypercars are the fastest and most advanced cars in the world, even more special than supercars.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a very fast and special sports car made by Ferrari. It is famous for being one of the most exciting cars to drive from the 1980s.
Term
MSRP
MSRP is the price the car company says the car should cost when you buy it new. Dealers might sell it for more or less than this price.
Car
Porsche Carrera GT
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very fast and special sports car made by Porsche. It is built to be very powerful and exciting to drive.
Car
Ford Gt
The Ford GT is a very fast and special sports car made by Ford. It is designed to go very quickly and is made in small numbers.
Car
Ferrari F430
The Ferrari F430 is a fast sports car made by Ferrari. It is an updated version of an earlier model with better performance.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car made by Porsche. It is known for being fast and having a unique shape that many people recognize.
Car
Ferrari 360
The Ferrari 360 is a fast sports car made by Ferrari. It has a special manual gearbox that many people like to use.
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that we should all come together and start making fun
of people with low mileage cars.
Like if you meet someone and they have your dream car
and it has low mileage, you should just be like,
just ask them why they couldn't afford to drive it.
Like, oh, so did you need to bought the car
but you couldn't afford like insurance?
Like why didn't you put miles on it?
You know, it's like just making fun.
A year the car was made and the mileage on the car,
there needs to be a ratio that we need to come up with
that's acceptable and not acceptable.
Mr. Vin, dude, thanks for coming to hang out on the podcast.
How are you?
Thanks for having me.
Long time in the making.
We've been talking about it for like a year.
I know, I know.
How is the life of a used car salesman going?
You know, my mom and dad were just in town.
And I told my mom that I was like, oh, I want to, like,
start making fun of you.
I have a car dealership and she literally thought
I was going to get like a corner used car lot.
And I was like, damn, that's what it sounds like
when I talk about this.
It does, it does.
That's why I bring it up.
I think it would be so cool though to have like the,
like the streamers with the little colored flags
and like the wacky waving inflatable arm tube men,
like the whole shit.
Like on the windshield, the painted numbers,
like $6,995 and 95 cents
at 30% interest.
Yeah, dude, subprime loans all day.
Tower going to make the money.
Subprime loan on a nine, six, four.
There you go.
You can finance the stuff like you can finance a motor home
or like a boat.
Everybody, I live in Minnesota.
So everybody's got like a wake surfing boats.
Yeah.
And the loans are like 50 year recreational loans.
Dude, and those are expensive.
Wake boats are like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I know.
And that's why you need a 50 year loan.
And the thing is, is they only last technically,
probably, I don't know, seven, eight years
and then nobody wants them anymore.
And then you're stuck with like a 50 year loan.
How is this work?
Look, my thing with cars has always been like,
I always bought cars that I didn't think
will depreciate super fast, you know?
So owning a boat seems like the worst idea ever.
It is, it is.
It's, yeah, you buy a boat for 200 grand.
You pay it off in 50 years.
And when you're done, it's worth like a happy sandwich.
I do pretty good with the cars too.
Like I've bought, I've owned probably, I've lost count.
I always think of cars I own.
I'm like, oh yeah, I own that.
I forgot about that one.
Probably like a hundred cars.
And it seems like the ones that I always lose money on
are big body Mercedes stuff.
Oh yeah, Mercedes are tough.
I think they're coming around now.
Like people seem to be, you know,
after the freaking Porsche bubble exploded
and no one could afford them anymore
or want to pay for them.
Like I feel like people are starting to be pretty privy
to like, ooh, old Mercedes are cool.
Especially for the, not really using an old Porsche
to be like a sports car most of the time.
You're like driving into car meets and shit.
So like get an old Mercedes and have a sick cruiser
and just like pull up.
That's kind of where I'm at too.
Like especially if you look like a 560 SEC
or something like that, they're like 15, 20 grand.
You slam them on some pentas.
You can do a lot within.
The problem is, and I encountered this,
which is why there's a BMW engine in this one back here,
is the transmission options are bad, dude.
And the engine options truly aren't very good.
You know, everybody's like, oh, it's great, but they're not.
Yeah, I see people doing manual swaps on like the,
what is it, W204 C63s and stuff now,
which like makes those cars a little bit more interesting
because previously, you know,
I always thought those cars were so cool when you drive them
and you're like, this is a slush box auto from 2006.
Like it's not a good driving experience at all.
It's not, it's not a good experience.
You can swap like the CLK compressor transmission,
I guess, and swap into other things,
but the old stuff is really hard.
So if you have like the old twin cam
or the old single cam stuff,
you might as well just do that.
Yeah, totally.
I want to, I want like a 300 TD.
Are you sure?
Just as like a cruiser, it'd be sweet.
Not out, but you can't do it in California
because they're so slow and we don't really have limits here.
So when you're not sitting in traffic,
you're doing like a thousand.
And that would just not, not do it.
I did, I had one of those for scouting
the overcrest rally in Idaho and flew out,
bought at Sight Unseen.
It was a wagon, non-turbo.
There's turbo ones that are non-turbo
as this was the non-turbo.
Yeah, brutal.
Climbing the mountains.
We end up getting halfway up this mountain,
the thing's overheating.
The gauges back, these things are like bulletproof.
So they can, they can handle a little bit of abuse.
Got halfway up this mountain going up these switchbacks.
And I just, I couldn't, no power plus overheating
was just like, what are we going to do?
So we popped the hood.
I grabbed my little survival shovel,
which I do not know why I brought it with me,
but I did bring a little like unfoldable survival shovel.
And I shoveled, I packed the entire inch compartment
with snow and then there and packed the whole thing in
and then shut the hood and I was able to cruise
the rest of the way up the mountain
with the thing packed through snow.
But dude, they are brutal.
That's an incredible fix.
It was, it worked, it worked for a little while.
Anyway, I got us to the top of the mountain
and the other side's all coasting and on the way down,
but dude, yeah, they're bad.
The turbos are not bad.
You could get away, own a turbo,
you could daily drive that for sure.
My buddy has got a short wheelbase, a two door G-Wag
and that he put a OM 617 in.
That thing is sick.
Dude, that's a beast engine.
A turbo diesel.
That's the 2JZ of diesels, right?
Yeah, dude, that thing is so cool.
It makes like 400 horsepower.
Like it looks OE in the engine bay.
It's so nice.
The short block on that, I think can do 800 horsepower
before the block just cracks.
It's just like that and that's it.
So I wanted to find out a little bit about
kind of your car history
and where this kind of started for you.
What's a car that you've owned that most people didn't get?
Have you been down that road yet?
Where you've bought a car and people didn't understand it
and they got it later?
No, I think like, sorry if the audio is terrible, guys.
I went to my shop to try to get away from bad audio
and now someone next door is just like cutting metal.
Yeah, they're building a shed.
We'll see if AI cleans it up.
We'll see it.
I'll just think, hey, it's audience, I'm sorry.
I tried my best.
Well, you better be extra good to make up for it.
We'll go for that.
You better be extra good.
I'm a pretty like, I don't want to say basic,
but like I think I like genuinely like mainstream cool stuff
for the most part in terms of cars.
So like I've had, you know, GTIs, EVOs, STIs, M3s,
like things that I think people kind of do get.
I think most recently the car that I have
that I like love so much that most people don't get
is the Mark II GTI.
And like I built this car.
It's got a full like Mark III swap in it.
So it's got a 12 valve VR6, five lug, bigger brakes,
all this stuff, whole OBD2 setup.
And like I built that car and most people just,
if you're not into Volkswagen's, you don't get it.
You're like, it's not overly special looking.
It's not fast.
It's not a great driving car.
Like it sounds kind of cool, but like I don't really get it.
Whereas for me, I'm like, dude, Mark II with a 12 valve swap
is probably the cool, like for 18 year old me,
that is the coolest car on the planet.
What was 18 year old, do you driving at the time?
My first car was a 1996 GTI 2.05 speed.
So like base model GTI made like 90 horsepower.
And you can do literally nothing to it.
Unless you put like a new speed supercharger on it,
there's like literally nothing that can make that thing.
Mine had a K and N intake, a remiss exhaust.
And it had, when I bought it, it had coilovers on it,
which was sick.
And then I put some like 15 inch, a mill, like 15 by eights on it.
And I traded a standard STA, STA 500 BMX frame
for some Mark II or caros that I put in it.
And you drove it.
Oh, and I did a Jetta front end swap
because like you had to do something.
So I did a Jetta swap.
And that was my driver for a bit.
Like that was my car through high school and stuff.
And I love that thing.
But I always wanted a VR.
So I was like, VR was like the king.
But I, you know, when you're a 16 year old kid shopping
for a car, you're like, I'm going to get the one that's cheap.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And for me, it's like putting the VR six things in cars is peak.
You know, if you think about, I mean, it was what you could do.
The swaps that we could do back in the day,
I don't know exactly how old you are.
So maybe I'll date myself a little bit, but it was okay.
So not not too much younger than me.
You did a 16 valve swap.
You did an ABA swap.
You did a VR six swap.
Or if you were the shit, you did a one AT swap.
Or back then was crazy because you're talking about putting a motor,
taking a motor out of a car.
That was a pretty new.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, the one AT really debuted in what, like 99.
Yeah.
So that felt pretty baller when people had one AT swaps.
You were like, Holy shit, this is crazy.
The G60 swap is kind of the outlier too, I guess.
Yeah.
When I did this swap, everyone was like, oh, do a 36 Cayenne motor.
It's real easy.
They make a ton of power, blah, blah.
And I was like, yeah, I want a 12 valve 2.8 liter VR six.
Cause that's what I wanted when I was a kid.
And I was like, I don't care about it making 300 horsepower.
Like I'd rather it make 170, but be a 12 valve, you know,
cause I want, I also adult me wants like pretty OE type stuff.
So that car has factory radiator, air conditioning, like all regular parts.
So if anything goes wrong, you're just like, oh yeah, I'll hit up FCP.
I'll go get, you know, thermostat housing for it or something.
Like you don't need like swap parts and stuff, you know.
Was there a time when you realized that, you know,
when we're younger, it's, you see some of that stuff and you're putting like
an FSI swap and things and big turbo and all the power and, you know,
you could put a turbo on that thing and make 600 horsepower in a weekend.
You know, it might not last that long, but you could do it.
Was there a, what was the crossover for you when you're like, okay,
old me versus young me chasing power versus chasing drivability and kind of the,
the nice thing versus the thing that's hanging on by a thread.
I think, um, I think honestly it was pretty recently.
I've built a bunch of nonsense cars in my life.
You know, I got built a lot of cars with like engine swaps and
take everything out of it and make it into like a bad street car.
Cause I wanted a crazy race car for the street.
And I think you do a bunch of those.
And then you're like, I don't really like love this.
And it changes with your use case.
Cause like for me, I live in Southern California.
Driving anywhere sucks.
There's just traffic all the time.
Like most of the time you're just kind of like cruising on the streets.
So you start thinking about like what makes a car more fun for your use case.
And it's like for me, I live in a grid area where there's no nice roads that are closer
than like an hour away.
There's always traffic.
It's always hot.
So I'm like, what do I like in a car?
And I'm like, well, I have to build a car around like what I'm using it for,
not what my brain thinks I use it for.
Cause if I'm like, oh, in an ideal world, I live in a way,
in a place with a back country road.
And I want to have a BMW 2002 with a F20 S 2000 drivetrain that revs to 10,000 RPM
and all that.
But then I'm like, yeah, but you live in a city environment
where you just don't get to drive like that.
So like that car would actually probably not even be that much fun where I live.
You need to, it sounds like you need to come out on an overcross rally.
Dude, yeah, I truly love driving more than anything.
And then I drive around where I live.
And I'm like, I hate being in cars.
Oh man.
I just want to just walk to my job.
I always wonder like, I think of like, I think of guys like you and Brian and Mike Burroughs
and Mike Burroughs builds whatever.
And then whenever I go there, he just is like driving around.
Everybody's just driving around Costa Mesa.
Like how like, it's horrible.
There's no, people always think that Southern California is like this mecca of driving.
But in reality, we're this like super densely packed city suburban area.
And then all the outskirts of the city have nice roads like Angeles Crest Highway,
you know, Azusa, Malibu, like all of that stuff, like in the mountains.
But in the city, you know, you go to a car meet in the morning, you wake up.
I literally make two left turns.
I get on a freeway and you drive on a pin straight freeway for like 40 miles.
And then you're like, I'm here.
How does that affect the culture?
I don't think it does.
I think people, people like, you know, it's, we got the craziest car culture ever.
I mean, you've been out to California, like the car scene on a Sunday is crazy.
It's honestly overwhelming because like we did an event when I finished that car in Connecticut.
And it was in Bridgeport, Connecticut on a Wednesday night in like March or April.
And over 500 people came out to this event.
I was blown away.
Like I didn't even bring like drivers that were in merch or anything to sell because I was like,
16 people are going to show up.
It's Wednesday, it's Connecticut.
It's kind of the winter still like no one's, no one's coming.
And it turned up crazy.
Like it was one of the most fun meets I've been to and people were so excited.
And it hit me when I was there because people were like,
this is the first event of the year for us kind of.
And like there's nothing else going on.
Whereas in California, I mean, any weekend there's like,
I'm not even exaggerating 50 car meets.
At like Sunday morning, you could be like,
I'm going to go to this one, this one, this one, this one.
Like there's so many options that it's almost like makes it a little less fun because like
you don't know who's going to go to which one and what cars are going to be at what.
Like it's just like, it's so spread out because it's so,
like we have so much going on.
Is it, do you think there's any world in which it's too much of a good thing?
I think so.
And at Hoonigan, we used to say we would try to avoid doing events in California
because we were like, the saturation is crazy because
you would try to coordinate with people and be like,
hey, can you come out on this date for this event we're having?
And they're like, oh, sorry, no, I have this off-road thing or no, it's JCCS or no.
It's this like, there's always like a big event going on every single weekend.
But it's like, it's amazing.
It's like, it's hard to complain about because I love car stuff and going to events and stuff.
But it's like, yeah, I think it is a little bit of like too much of a great thing.
It's been a long time since you, well, I guess,
relatively speaking, maybe not, but it's been a while since you have left Hoonigan.
I don't want, we don't need to rehash all that.
Those stories have been told.
But how are you feeling about like where things are for you now as a content creator?
And do you feel like you're, you're doing it?
Do you feel, are you, do you feel struggles?
Like how do you feel about how that transition has gone from then to now?
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Yeah, it's a good question.
It's a kind of loaded question.
Like some days I just miss having a job working for a company.
Now it's like everything I do is on me.
And I understand some of the things that I used to give scottos shit for,
because it's like when you own a company or you run your company,
you have so much responsibility to keep everything moving and going.
And all decisions ladder up to you, which is really tiring.
But the YouTube part of it I think is pretty funny,
because in my opinion it's like this job that gets no respect.
You know, it's like people look at YouTube or I'm sure
podcasting or hosting rallies and stuff.
And people just think like you have this fun job,
and it doesn't really have work attached to it, which isn't really the case.
So it's hard to complain about it, because like people are like,
oh, but you can just get to have fun all day.
And you're like, fuck, if you only knew.
But I enjoy being a content creator.
I love doing car stuff.
It's like my dream to do this.
So it's really cool.
It's just a hard balance of like doing what I feel is like true to me
and what I think my audience wants, which is like my audience is like guys like us,
like like late 20s to like, you know, mid 40s into cars,
doesn't want to watch like clickbaity nonsense.
So it's like, how do I balance like trying to do stuff that I think will get views?
Because that's sort of how you survive versus like not being one of these like new gen
content creators that I hate so much.
Because like there's a lot of dudes and girls who I respect and I like what they do.
And I've been following them for a decade who you can't replicate what they do,
because it won't work, right?
Like I can't try to be Adam LZ light because like no one's going to watch me
because Adam is like a million times better and has a lot crazier stuff going on.
But then you have all these like new gen people who are doing kind of like
gross stuff that I hate, like building Alibaba cars or like, you know,
just destroying stuff for like for clicks and like things like that that I think breeds bad
culture. So for me, it's always a struggle of like, how do I make stuff that I think is like
just good, like mature content that is fun to watch and like you get something out of it versus
like doing stuff that I think would be more successful for like an overall like business
or like numbers growth. That's always like the fine line of like, how the hell do you do that?
You know, what's the what is the grind like? Like what is a week like for you? Or, you know,
what's your cadence? Is it once a week? Once every couple of weeks?
Yeah, we make a video once a week because I want to do like higher quality videos.
I don't really want to do just like run and gun vlogs.
So my week is generally like Monday is my desk work day.
So I do all my emails and phone calls and meetings and planning and creative and kind
of just do like I tried to just be like at my desk on Mondays. Jolly does first pass of edit on
Monday. Then we review like, depending on how long it takes him will review on on Tuesday.
So Tuesday is like a kind of balance day for me where it's like, I do some desk work,
maybe I'll start planning out the shoot we're doing later in the week.
Because all of our shoots are actually pretty structured. So we'll be like, hey,
we're going to go shoot this like I'm going to shoot an intro here and then we're going to do
this and then like, we'll have like a talking segment and it's like four minutes long and
then there's going to be this and then it kind of loosens up and then, you know,
and then we'll come back to the shop and like wrap up. So we have like cadences for each episode.
So and then Wednesday is like Wednesday through Friday is kind of shoot days.
And that could range from like whatever, you know, whatever we got going on, whether it's
buying a car, working on a car, going somewhere to like talk about cars, really anything.
And then it's like, yeah, Wednesday through Friday shoot, we try not to work on weekends.
Like I try to, you know, Jolly is my main dude here. He shoots and edits and I try to give
him like a normal work life balance, you know, because I think when we were younger at Hoonigan,
like we didn't have any, we just like worked a million hours a week. And now I'm like,
I don't want to like torture people for work. So I'm kind of like, you know, we work pretty
normal hours and if we have to work a weekend day, we do, but we try not to. So that's kind of like,
that's my week. But I think what's funny about it is, is what happened to us with like, I kept
having to like push the podcast because the thing with YouTube and shooting is like,
you have to be super flexible and most other people don't actually respect like YouTuber
time. So you'll be like, all right, we're going to go do this thing tomorrow. And then they cancel
on you and they move it to the next day. And you're just like, always shuffling things around. And then
I'll try to do calls and stuff in the morning. Like if it's past my Monday work day, like a company
or partner or someone needs to get on the phone, I'm like, can we do it at 8am? Because once I
leave my house, I have no idea if I'm going to be available. Like, where did you learn how to
storyboard? Like your stuff seems pretty, I wouldn't say that it feels really storyboard,
which I think is probably a testament to the fact that you're doing a good job with it.
Where did you learn how to do that? Did that come out of like watching content at Hoonigan and
some experience there? Where did you, where'd you get that from? I have no idea. So Hoonigan,
we did a lot of planning for like what we wanted to make, but we didn't do much storyboarding or
like, like we would have like a narrative arc, right? Like Scott would come up with like, we're
shooting a series of stories and then we'd test them out on track and like each episode is like
this, this and this, but for the most part, for the hosts and like when we were shooting, it was
like, you pull up somewhere and you just bust out the camera and you just do it. And even like, we
went, we would go feature cars and stuff, do no research on them. Nothing, just show up and like,
Hoonigan was so much the like off the cuff, you know, experience of doing stuff with a bunch of
dudes that you liked. So when I started doing content on my own, that's a lot harder to like
carry a show as like someone who's just cool and fun and interesting. So I think immediately,
I started being like, what the fuck can I talk about to like get through this? And I loved,
you know, like every freaking vlogger ever, like Casey Neistat and people like that. So you're like,
how do you make it look visually interesting? And for me, the thing that bugged me the most
about vloggers is like, I really don't like the constantly moving backgrounds, like when you're
just like vlogging and you're like this, like it's super jarring on the eyes. So I was like,
how do I do things that are a little bit more like camera static me moving? So like, it's a little
bit easier. And then that kind of like rolled into thinking like, well, if I need to change framing
bunch, how do I like tell a story as I move? And then I started just kind of like writing down
episode blocks and being like intro and that brings me to this and that brings me to this.
And like, I would have like kind of talking points. Because I know personally, I repeat myself a lot.
And that's annoying to watch too. So I'll do like bullet points on each like story block. So I know
kind of where I'm going when I'm talking. So I'm like, if I'm talking about, you know,
selling 964, I'm giving you a background, like in the next segment, I don't just like repeat myself,
because I'll do that. And I'll be like, Oh, shit, let me check my notes. And I'm like,
all right, cool. I already talked about, you know, this, this and this, so I should really focus on
this on the next piece. So I have no formal training in it. And I honestly had no idea. I just kind
of like would think about what I would want to watch and just kind of like make it. I don't know.
I don't know if I don't really know anything. You consume automotive content. I feel like
between editor at Petrolicious and and Overcrest, I am consuming car content without doing it on
purpose, like 10 hours a day. It is nonstop waterfall, which means I don't want to work on that.
I don't want to work on the 9 11. I don't want to clean up the garage. I did a little project
yesterday of I'm on my fourth or fifth vacuum pump for my TDI and my is usually trooper that I've
got. And I keep killing them and sending them back to FCP hero shout out FCP. So I like, oh,
I got to wire up a vacuum switch and make this nice and do it. It's the first thing I've done
since I moved into this house in June, because I'm so burnt out by the time I'm done working. And I
love what I do. I love talking to you. I love talking about cars. I love planning the rally and
putting things together and writing articles for Petrolicious. I love it all. But by the time I'm
done, I'm like out of gas for like what I would want to actually do for myself. Do you experience
any of that burnout? Do you feel that 100% 100% and honestly, I was just talking to someone recently
about this and I said, it's a little bit of a bummer for me. Like I love what I do too. And this is
absolute blessing. Like I love cars. I'm not built to do really anything else. Like I all I
think about is cars. It's all only thing I know if I knew like I don't have any other knowledge
and any other thing except cars. So it's what I love doing. But I feel you on that because I'm
like, man, cars were such a passion for me. And I loved doing it. And now sometimes like if it's
not content, I don't really want to do it. Like the GTI, I have cams, valve springs, a shifter,
some seats, and I got fenders repainted for it. And like I've had this stuff for six months.
And I'm like, I just can't and my plan for it was actually to do it at my home garage and not
film it. Just like do it when I want to have time to do it. But then I just don't have time to do
it. And just recently I was like, I should just make an episode about this somehow, which like I
don't know how to title and thumb another episode about that car, but like I should come up with a
concept and then do it for a video. So at least I get it done. And that to me, I was like, man,
that kind of sucks. That sucks bad, dude. That sucks. I just don't have the time, you know,
like I just don't, I don't have the time to do another project off camera because it's like
I work for my YouTube company and all my, you know, the other companies are surrounding it
like a hundred hours a week. So I'm just like, when are you going to be like, Oh,
I'm just going to go do cams in my garage and, you know, spend an entire day doing that.
I feel like it's making me drift away from the old me. Say it a little bit like the old me was
dude. I was like, I would do, I don't know. I would do whatever I was doing during the day,
whether it was, I was a wedding photographer for a while. So I was doing wedding photography or I
was doing whatever or talking shit on vortex or whatever it is that I was doing with my
and in the evening, I would just come out here at like four o'clock and I'd be out here till
like nine, 10, 11 o'clock and Jesse, my wife would be like, yo, are you hungry? You know,
and I would just, and I would just grind and just build. And the last thing I built was this,
this Mercedes and I built it like a four, really to do something for overcrest and
show boroughs. I could do it and I haven't touched anything since and it feels strange.
It's a, it's a tough one and it's hard to not sound negative about it. But I think it is like
a part of getting older, which is like, you know, you just have like some different priorities and
stuff also and just like kind of being overloaded with it. But it's, it's tough because like I do,
I love coming to the shop. Like sometimes I'll be here and I'm like in a rush to get home.
And I'm like, but then I'll stop and I'll be like, man, like my mom was just here yesterday.
We were working on my dad Chevelle before because I'm sending that back to New York for him.
And we were just like doing an oil change and like just like little stuff. My mom is here
hanging out and she was like, wow, this is crazy. Like you ever think you would have all this?
And I was like, no, I was like, I used to dream about having a garage because my car,
like I just had a car port at my apartment, you know, and now it's like, I have all this
and it's like, I got lifts and cars and like tools and stuff in a place. And I'm like,
this is crazy. And sometimes I'm like, I can't wait to get the fuck out of here and go home
and do nothing. And you're like, whereas six years ago, I would have lived here. I would have
just been like you, I would have never came home. It would be like two in the morning and
still working on my car because I'm inside. Yeah, this is the first insulated garage I've
ever had is this. And I even with you, I had a, my worst garage situation was I had this
like a thousand square foot house with Jesse and I had a rabbit that I was building for her.
Is this route of ended up being really sick? But it was the garage was a home depot shed
that someone had wood screwed to the side of the house and the rabbit barely fit in it.
So I had like an easy up set up at the entrance of this shed so that I could
like push the car out and have room to work. So I would push the car out under this easy up
and, and I was, and I didn't think anything of it. Bro, we know a lot of the same guys from the
East coast. So, you know, like swoops and the, those dudes from like the Volkswagen scene and
then a bunch of my friends who I met out here from New Jersey, the auto real dream, like drift
guys. And we would always just talk about like, we didn't even have garages. We were all just
working out of our parents driveway. Like me and Greg would just be welding stuff on our cars in
the snow. Like there would just be snow piled on the side and we're just like outside and you work
on it with like a jet heater blowing at you. And that was just like how we built cars. And now we're
Oh, I have a shop. My standards are almost too high now.
Why? Like you're, you're standard of what you expect for yourself because you have learned.
We've learned, right? We've learned the how to like weld some and do things correctly.
We're back in the day. You just, it used to be, I'm in the mode of I want to get it done right
the first time and then start the car. Yeah. 15 years ago, it was like, I want to start the car.
When can I start the car? And you start the car right now and the wires are like hanging all over
the intake manual. I still, I still have that a bit. Like who gets a part and is like, I have to
put this on. That's why the GTI is crazy to me that I've had like cams and shit and I haven't done
it because normally like I'm the dude parts show up and I like open the box immediately and I'm like,
I got to get to work. Like I got to do this shit. So doing stuff for YouTube is sometimes like the
killer for me because you'll be like, even if it's a project we have planned, you know,
and you're like, all right, we're going to get this done. Like we're going to shoot it in three
weeks. I'm like, God damn, we got all these brand new parts or like these like things I just bought.
I can't like do it yet. So I'm like 50 50, but then when it comes to just like personal stuff,
like I think maintaining cars has become really hard for me. I was like, people do my oil changes
recently because I'm just like, I don't want to do that. You get excited about building these
cars and you're like, Oh, I got to do this, this and this. And it's great. And then you have five
cars and everything needs like one little thing. And you're like, I'll get to it. I'll get to it.
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The car dealership actually will eventually serve this addiction in that if I can grow
the car dealership alongside YouTube, then what I could do will kind of help build everything.
So like I look at this like a couple steps ahead is once I could, like YouTube doesn't make any
money. This is hilarious. People always, a dude I want to hire to be a tech for this next thing
I'll talk about was like, well, you're rich, you make YouTube money. And I'm like, I sent him a
screenshot of the GTI. And I was like, I did a video to 200,000 views on the GTI and I made
$1,200. So I'm like, there's no getting rich on YouTube when you have like employees and,
you know, a shop space and you got to build cars, you got to do stuff, you got to pay yourself.
That's tough. Some channels make a lot more money. I don't know how we're not going to get
into that, but like, but it's tough on just views. So if I could grow my YouTube with the
partners and people who help support me and the merch business and then the car dealership,
and another thing that I'm starting that I can't talk about yet, but
like, I think what I could do is the car dealership could require a technician to like
make all the cars perfect before they get sold and, you know, do little fix ups and things like
that. And then that could help me build like YouTube cars too, because we won't always have
work on the like dealership maintenance side. So we'll be like, well, we could also build this
car for that. And that'll help get my builds going. And then also I could be like, Hey,
I'm busy. Can you change the wheel bearing on my car that I need?
Yeah. So I'm hoping that like in the near future, I can actually shop owner's dream
mission who could be a part of the channel and like all the content and stuff because I think
it could help grow everything, but you need to hire like a dude that's like Wayne, remember Wayne
Carini dude. Yeah. Yeah. That's super old guy. Yeah. That's you need that guy. So but to go back
to the Hoonigan slash like how I feel now is the biggest thing I have and I don't know if you
could relate to this is hiring people is fucking scary. Yes. Like, you know, you have an employee
and you're like, you care about these people and you're like, I have to pay that. Like I have to
make sure they make a living a livable wage and they get paid and I'll keep having work for them
to keep getting paid without putting me in the poor house and having an environment that's conducive
to not being toxic or hard or stressful and you want it to be a good place for people to be.
Yeah. It's tough because I was like, you know, I want to bring this dude on
to help like work on cars and I'm like, Hey, I can't afford to pay you full time wage. Like you
could do day rate, but you need a job. Like you can't afford to live on day rate. So, you know,
it's like one of those things where you're like, how do I get enough headway where I can like
bring someone in knowing I'm going to have to pay him a lot of money and be like, well, I could afford
that for the next year. So that's why I'm like, I'm trying to build this. So it could be a little
bit more sustainable because being a one-man show with a shooter editor is like, it's tough.
Yeah. I mean, you have to bring on, you'd have to bring on a ton of partners really,
you know, you'd have to have like three partners for episode to make the door stay open.
And I don't. I mean, I only do one in episode. I never really overlap, but I've got a couple
good partners like FCP, G-Technic, Penzoil who helped me like literally stay afloat.
But it's funny because the audience is like divided, right? You get some vocal minority who
like gets pissed off when you do ads and then other people who like don't care because they get it.
But I just don't think people understand that like without partners, none of this
shit exists. And like, that's all work too. So, you know, I won't like a lot of work.
People don't understand that having partners, they don't just give you money and you get to
just hold their product up. It's tons of meetings and pitches and strategy and like
scheduling and social stuff. And what are the deliverables going to be? And how much is it
going to cost? And here's the contract and why haven't you paid me? And dude, it is crazy.
What you don't realize is like partners like FCP and whatever, right? You, they'll pay me,
which is great. And I appreciate that. And I do really support their business because like,
I like the group of people who were there. I support what they do. I think they're good.
But like, I can make more money hocking fucking Ridge wallets, you know, because like and Ridge
wallet, I don't ever need to like, I don't have to wear their shirt. I just like the shirt. But
like, I don't need to even associate with them. Like, you know, I could Nord VPN will just pay you,
you put an ad in the video and you move on. I mean, they're still hard to get all those deals.
And you have to make sure you like hit KPIs and shit. But like, you know, partners take a lot
of work because it's like, how do I make sure that, you know, FCP and what I do correlate together,
you know, like, how do they feel natural? How does, how do I talk about oil, you know, without
sounding like I'm being a salesman, but it's like, I use the stuff. So you got to make sure you show
it and, you know, everything. So it is like, it takes a lot of coordination because sometimes
like a month will go by and I'll be like, Oh, shit, I didn't do anything for like this partner. I
got to like retool some ideas, you know, podcast is growing. So it's starting to get to that point
now where some of the mental health, male enhancements, stuff like Nord VPN or wherever are
starting to come knocking. And I'm kind of going, wow, that's a lot of money, come relatively speaking
to what I'm, you know, charging regular partners and stuff like that. But I don't want, I also
don't want this to turn into like a, I don't, I don't want to change it too much, you know, I don't
want to, because like I talked to Mike borrows about this a bit and it's like, as long as you're
doing partners that you feel like bring your audience some sort of value, then like, and it
doesn't hurt them, then cool. Like I just shot an ad for a coffee company and they do like coffee pods
and I actually really like them. Like I literally drinking one right now, like it's great. That's
not the brand, but I don't even know what brand that cup is. But like, I'm like, I'll promote a
coffee drink to my audience. Like, why not? It's good, you know, and then like things like that.
But then I get all these like online gambling games and, you know, fucking AI promote some AI
bullshit. And I'm like, I don't want to promote any of that stuff because I think it's garbage.
And I won't. But, you know, if like, I'm doing an ad for like a, I forgot the name of it, but it's
like a meal company, like, you know, like you get ready meals. And I'm like, that's cool. I actually
need that. So like, I support doing it. And if that could help me afford to do what I do, it's
cool. So I think you just got to be like, you know, you got to be mindful of, of what you're
promoting to make sure like you trusted and stuff. Like, I'll, I'm going to blast them right now.
I got a dog food company that reached out to me and was like, Hey, we want to sponsor, you know,
a couple episodes. And I was like, pumped. Because I love my dog. I love my dog. No,
thing in the world is my dog. And I'm like, hell, yeah, gave my dog the food for a bit.
And he kept having stomach issues. And I was like, I did a bunch of research and people are like,
yeah, the fat content in the dog food, like is really bad for their stomachs, like this that
and the third, I literally made an ad for my video. And I was like, throw, I didn't show the brand
because I'm like, I'm not trying to make enemies, but like, I was just throwing it in the trash.
And I was like, I was going to do an ad spot here. But this dog food made my dog sick.
You could figure out which one it is. So go buy some drivers error merch because
like I just lost out on a bunch of money because I don't want to promote garbage to you guys.
And I literally was like, I'm not going to do it because like making your dog sick sucks.
And like, I love my dog. I know other dog people love their dogs. So I'm not going to be like,
yeah, for, you know, a couple thousand bucks, like I'm going to pitch you some garbage, you know.
Well, you've always said authenticity is, is your North Star. And I think as long as you stick
to that, you know, being genuine is important to me too. And I think that's good. I've gotten hit
with the, the poly market gambling type things. And I just, I don't, I don't know, man, I just,
I don't do it. I don't think it's a good idea. I think it's bad for the world. I think it's
bad for men. I think it's really bad. And I'm just, I'm just not going to do it. There's
thing. And that's the same with like AI, you know, is like all these like AI tools and stuff
that they're pitching. And it's like, I don't know. I don't really think you should be like
replacing your brain with AI that much. Like just be analog for a bit. Like we love it in
our cars. You're going to love it in your brain when you forget how to do literally everything.
I know. That's the thing is like, as soon as you have something else, I was like,
I was talking to my wife just being, I was like, imagine down the road when my AI is just talking
to your AI, when we're not together and we're not actually having conversations. Imagine going on
a date and being on a dating website and your AI is talking to the dates AI and you're like,
they're trying to get to know each other or something. This is my number one sign of my age,
but it's something I'm really proud of is like, when me and my girl go out to eat, never on the
phones, like never take, like I won't fucking respond to texts. I won't do anything unless
really important, but it'll be like one quick thing and then I put it away. But you go out,
like the most embarrassing shit I see is when you see a couple out on a date and they're
both on their phones, not even talking to each other. I'm like, yo, just engage, like get the
hell out. Like what are you doing? It's already over, man. It's already over. That relationship is
already over. That shit is just crazy. Like even like me and my friends, like we'll go out and
you know, everyone like, we'll like make fun of each other if you like have your phone out.
It's like, dude, no, like this is time to like hang out. Like, it's tough to not be on the thing,
though, man. It's tough. Like I have a free ad for brick. Have you heard of brick?
Yeah, I have. I have a brick. I don't know where it is right now, but I have to like go into the
kitchen and like unbrick my phone during a certain amount of time so I could get worked on just because
I was like, is it effective? Yeah, it works. I think I need one because I mean, we talk about
like my friends and I will talk about like, I'm actually, I'm addicted to my phone.
Yeah. 100%. 100%. Like I'll even like open my phone and go on Instagram and then close it immediately
because I'm like, what? I don't want to do like I'm here. It's like mindlessly do it. So mine is
from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Whoa. I am to 9 p.m. My phone is brick. There's no social at all. I have
Discord. So I can hang out with the overcrest dudes if I need to do something on social or check
DMs or whatever, because I still have to use it for work. I have to go to my computer, log in,
look at the thing that you don't scroll on your computer. There's a little counter. I don't even
have my phone here. I don't even, I don't even have it. It's like somewhere else. It's, it's,
it's legit. So if I need to do something I need to post, I need to like, Hey,
alert goes on my phone. Hey, you need to make this post for mobile one. I go in the kitchen,
unbrick my phone, work, and then rebrick my phone again. And I might get one because I think I
really need that in my life. There's lots of different apps and ways to do this, this stuff.
Yeah, I was thinking about deleting social media and stuff off my phone and only using it on my
iPad because like I hate my iPad, but I would use it just to like check. But I communicate with a lot
of people on social, which I think I want to break that habit and be like, Hey, I'm not talking
here. Like just text me, but it's weird because as a content creator, like I need people to watch
my videos and stuff, but I do think like we all need a more like healthy balance and to like
the smartest thing to do would be like, don't watch garbage. Like right now, honestly,
I'll go on my phone and if I look at a reel and then I swipe to the next one and it's like a trend
of like all the nonsense that you see nowadays, which is like, you know, like the same fucking
text on screen, but done by a million people, like I'll just like I scroll. I'll like literally
be like, I don't want to see this. I don't want to see this. I don't want to see this. So it's like,
limit your amount of time on social media and like YouTube and stuff, but only watch the
shit that matters. Because like there's just so much garbage out there that it's like, I just try
to like, I can't wait until an AI comes out with a model where I could be like, I don't want to see
anything that's AI generated. Like if there's an AI generated fucking thumbnail, if there's an AI
generated video, if there's AI voiceover, like anything that has AI in it, I just scrub it out
of my feed. Yeah, I had the big moment. Well, there's two things. One thing, the worst thing
about the brick is when you're taking a shit, there's nothing to do on your phone. So you have
to like, you have to like read the news or something. They still sell cars in the newspaper.
Oh, we got the Petrolicious post. We got that going on for us.
Maybe I'll put a magazine rack in the bathroom. Dude, yes, there you go.
I was in the shower and this is like probably about a year ago now, maybe a little more.
And I was on my phone in the shower and I was, as you know, what?
What? On your phone in the shower?
I was in the shower on my phone scrolling, right?
No way. That's insane.
I was DMing with people because the thing is, is if I will post a reel and you know this,
if you post something or you do stories, especially if you do stories because it's
so easy for people to reply, you could, if you started posting, you could go,
you could wake up in the morning and talk to people until the time you went to bed.
Because there's that many DMs and there's that many people to talk to
and you could give yourself to all of those people, which is what you're doing.
You are giving yourself to them and my wife opened the door and she said something about,
hey, you know, it's time to eat. And I said, hold the fuck on or something like that.
And I went, what am I doing? What, what matters here? Where am I getting my validation as a
I'm naked in the shower on my phone telling my wife to go away so I can talk to all those people,
all these people I don't know.
Yeah, dude, we're, we're ruined as society. It's crazy. I, I, uh, that's so funny.
Cause yeah, like I'll do it too. I'll definitely be like,
my one thing I've been trying to change and this one's hard and I know people out there struggle
with it. Don't look at your phone. You wake up dude.
Cause I know if you're, if you're, if you're around our age, you wake up like an old carborated car.
So, you know, you need to warm up for a bit. Yeah.
But like I, when I, the days I don't do it and I get up and I just move like I wake up,
I'll make coffee, I'll go like, you know, little exercise or stretch or just like pet my dog and
like look at the sky. I feel so much better than when I literally lay in bed for like an extra 40
minutes and just looking at marketplace or like, or like on Instagram, like it's insane.
So you say the, the only thing you know is cars and your life is cars. You live and
breathe cars. I do too. So I think one thing I think about as we go on and I, you know,
overcrest has always done news. We've done news episodes with the podcast.
So we do like an interview news interview, then we'll do like a history of the manual transmission
or something like that. So, and I've noticed we've been doing this for seven years.
We've done like 525 episodes. Wow.
Doing it for a long time. And I look back at the older news episodes and the topics were better
because there was way more things that I cared about. And as we move, the news is becoming more
EV oriented, more autonomous car oriented. And I go, as good as the times are now,
because they are good. There's never been a better time to be a car enthusiast. I don't
think because you can get parts for almost anything. Sometimes they're expensive, but you
could at least get them. It's really good time. But at the same time, the writing is on the wall,
man, for us. Yeah. What do you mean? I just, how long is this going to last?
Is the next generation going to even care about cars? Are they going to be watching your YouTube
channel in 10 years as everything becomes more and more difficult to drive legally?
Things are less exciting. Think about when we were growing up. What were we looking up to?
You're 37. So when you were 20 years ago, it was in, you're in the early 2000s, late 90s.
Cars were pretty cool. Climbing came out with an E39 M5 film that was pretty dope.
Yeah. We were in peak car era then. Now the M2 is no longer real driving. It's
being replaced by a well drive. There's no manual transmissions anymore. And everything's
starting to fall apart. I think the big shift, I think we may see is like, for the first time ever,
cars are mainstream cool. And I don't mean like they're in movies and like rat videos,
because like that's always been a thing, right? I bought wheels off Jermaine de Prix,
right? Rich people like cars. Shocking. But I think now more than ever, cars are this thing that
people with reach are using as a thing to relate to people and they're starting to showcase them
more on social media. So like cars are more mainstream cool. That's why there's more demand
for these like halo cars than ever. It's why a lot of these like cars that weren't worth any money
are worth more because people with tons of money will just fucking buy them out from under you.
So it's like, I worry that I think cars may fall out of cool because trends are cyclical,
just like fucking skinny jeans and baggy jeans and all those other crap. I think eventually
cars for mainstream artists and creators and stuff will not be as interesting and we'll move on.
Then maybe we get a little bit of a fall off, which could be cool because then we get people
who are like just back into like nerds like us who want to be in it. I think media wise,
I think people will still watch because like a lot of people tell me they like my content
because it's not over the top and I don't do fake shit and I just focus on cars. But like,
will you be able to find the content you like? Or will you be continued to be served the crap
you don't like because it does more numbers? Who knows? Yeah, I'm I don't either. So the
how does it feel to be a Ferrari owner? That's got to be kind of weird, right? Because
yeah, dude, I never thought I'd own a Ferrari. I see you've gone crazy too, since you got yours.
So I grew up with a picture of an Iroxy on my wall. Like I was just like, that was I don't even
know why but like I like the wife beater getting out. Iroxy with T tops. I was like my halo car
when I was like a child. And then I got into Volkswagen's. I never really cared about like
supercars, hypercars, any of that. I guess still don't honestly care about anything that's like
like conic's eggs and whatever the hell like no interest. So yeah, having a Ferrari is a weird
one. Why? Why does that stuff not interest you? What is it? Is it too unattainable? Is it too
unattainable? Is it just so far out of the realm? Maybe it's I think it might be like the like the
price is like insane. So like who cares? You know, I don't think I think I'll be come more and more
successful throughout my life. Like I know that. But I like at what point are you going to buy a
$4 million car? You know, like and if you do, what are you going to do with it? You know, you're
going to drive. I know what I would do with it. Yeah, but you know, like if I if I won like $200
million, sure, I'd buy like a fucking, you know, whatever the hell and go rip it. But like, I
don't know. I just don't really care about them. They all look too crazy. They're all like way too
expensive. I just they don't like to me that it's like liking like a video game or something like
they don't really exist. Because there's a lot of really expensive old cars too. Like, yeah. Only
a 959 or an F40 or a 330 GTC or some old expensive Ferrari or something. Yeah, I mean F40 is like
is the goal. I said the goal for my dealer like Halo Halo goal is to one day transact an F40,
meaning like I buy it and I do some like rehab work too and I sell it. Like I don't think I would
ever own one and feel comfortable driving it. Like it's just that's too crazy for me. But like my
dream would be to one day come across a good deal on one, buy it, do some stuff to it and then sell
it. And that would be like enough if I drove it fucking 40 miles, I'd be like, hell yeah, dude.
Like this is a life thing. And then get rid of it. You know, like, because imagine owning a
seven figure car and like driving that on the road. Like that would be crazy.
I was it. I was at car week with my buddy Alex a long time ago. And we were parked. We were on
like the next to the golf course. There's the road out there and everything. There's all these
houses. And I parked my 911. We were just kind of hanging out. We're trying to figure out where
to film. We were filming docile, which was the film that is on stance works now. And just filming
the about car week at Alex was like 19 years old. So his eyes were bugging out of his head as
seeing all the super cars and expensive stuff. I've never been by the way. Uh, really? Yeah, never.
Why? Well, let's finish your story and then I'll tell you. Okay. So I'm sitting on the road.
We're just like looking at the map or phones. I have no idea what we're doing. This dude like
opens the gate to his house was like opens the gate. And the guy walks out. He's like, Hey,
I got something to show you. We get on the car. We walk in great around the corner. F40 sitting
there parked outside behind his gate. F40. We're like, Holy shit. You can see this in the film.
If you go and scrub through and find it. Um, and he's like, do you want to start it up?
Or do you want it? Do you want to hear me start it up? I've got, well, yeah, of course, I've never
heard an F40 run. So he's like, you got to help me open the, the clamshell or whatever. I'm like,
I'm imagining the cost of this clamshell as I'm opening up. This has got to be like five or six
years ago too. And they weren't as bad as they are. So anyway, it's super like heavy. We open up
this thing and he starts it up and he revs it up for us. And he's like, cool. It was so great. Like
and he had like a Mercedes SLR like off over the way too. It was like,
but it was so neat that he wanted to share that with us. And I, and I regret to this day
not going, so should we go for a drive? Why? He probably was dying for it. He's dying for it. He
would have said, why wouldn't he say yes? If he was willing to open his gate, come out and go,
Hey guys, you know, like, does this dude have no car friends? He's just dying to show somebody
this F40. I will, I have a picture of my car in front of that guy's house. If I ever get my 911
out there, which I'm almost certainly well, the guy was not all these probably in his 50s. So
there's still a chance that I could go and maybe he still owns that F40 and maybe he will give me
a ride in it and maybe he will let me drive it. Dude. Oh my God. I think I have a way that I might
be able to drive in at 40, but I'd be too weary to ask, but I met a dude. He was a Dallas Cowboys
player and I met him up at New Combs and he just like watched my channel, which is crazy. Like,
whenever like people who are super successful, like, are like, Oh, I've seen you on YouTube. I'm
like, that's crazy. But he had his F40 up there. He bought it in Europe. He put like, he so far
has put like 6,000 miles on it. And I'm like, you're a fucking hero. Like that rules. And he's
like, yeah, I just drive it like a car. I mean, that would be me. I think like,
what is your what's so what's your like, I'm rich. I'm going to buy it and drive it every day
because fuck you car. What's yours? I'm trying to get back to it. So it was the car. My GT3S was
my favorite car on the planet. And I sold it because I thought it was too expensive for me to own.
And I sold it to start the dealership like to have money to, you know, buy just recently. And
the lesson I learned was like, as I got rid of it, I was like, you're a fucking idiot because you
bought it before it was as expensive as it is now, you know, like I sold it for double what I paid
for it essentially. And I'm like, you should have just kept it and enjoyed it. You know,
it took me selling it to realize that like, now I want to work back to my dream and get there and
then like use it, you know, so that's, that's my new very much. Did you not drive? Did you not drive
a lot? I put 11,000 miles on it in three years. That's pretty good. Like a lot, but not a lot.
You know, like I put 11,000 miles on the first year on my 360. Oh, no shit. Yeah. So like,
in perspective, I feel like I didn't drive it a lot. But uh, but yeah, I think like so my new goal
is to literally get back the car that I sold and then like not worry about it, like just use
it. And if, if I buy it and I'm like, you know what, I've sold one before and it was a regretful
thing, I'm going to buy it again. And I'm going to be like, I don't give a fuck if anyone hits me
or I depreciate the mileage or anything because I'm never going to sell it. So it doesn't matter
what the residual value is. So I'm just going to like buy it and use it. So that's my new goal is
like buy it and use it. Will I be able to get it again? I don't know because they just keep going
up in price and they don't get to a point with this. It'll get to a point where it's too expensive
that I won't buy it because like I already got offered another white 997.2 GT3S beautiful,
beautiful car and the dude gave me a price on it. And I was like, I wouldn't, that's just too much.
Like I couldn't even because you don't have the money or you think the car genuinely just is not
worth that much. Just like I can't, I can't see spending that much on like a 911. You know, like
to me, I joked about it, but I said it when I sold my GT3S is it's like a Porsche, Porsche feels
like a sports car, feels like a car that's worth what its MSRP was. It makes sense. It's an expensive,
like cool GT car, but like you don't like a $400,000 car to me feels like a hyper car price,
you know? So like if you get in a Ford GT or you get into a Carrera GT or you get into
fucking a whole Lamborghini, right? You get an SVJ or something. You're like, yeah,
this crazy wedge shaped thing that looks like a fucking futuristic race car is $400,000.
It doesn't look like a different version of a car that you can get for 25 grand.
Yeah. Like a 911 for the most part, like looks, feels everything like a base model car with
stickers and a wing. So you're like, what, you know, like it's just, it's too crazy for me.
Like I couldn't imagine spending that much money on it. And because most of these things are just
fake anyways, like the values only go up because dealerships in a network pick out a car and they're
like, we're juicing it. It was, I just did an interview with a guy who, of a guy who wrote
an article for, for Petrolicious or filmed it or whatever. And he said in Albania, there's no,
that's not how they buy cars. There's no like you have to buy this car before the other one
in Albania. You just go in and you just buy it. Oh, I mean, the second hand market though,
like the used car market, I mean, look at old Ferraris, you mentioned it earlier that prices
have gone crazy. The prices of like F430 Scuds and 360 Challenge Stradales went from
like, it's increased over 100% in months. Like, and I've never seen it happen so blatantly before
than it did this year, 2025 was like an F430 Scud was like 200 grand. Now they're like 500
grand minimum. And it happened from like April to June. And you're just like, you know why? Like
what's the I think dealerships realize that like second hand dealerships realize like,
oh, there's not a lot of these and people like them and they trade a couple of them between
each other and they like, you know, sell them publicly on auction platforms and each other
buys them for a ton of money and like, yeah, and you lift the whole market, you can literally
10 people can take a car and lift the entire market because all you have to do is transact
a few of them publicly and boom, there you go. Value is there. And it's a bummer.
Yeah, I feel, I feel like I, I thought I could, I could have owned a Tester Rosa for a moment.
There was a moment where I think they're like $150,000 now, maybe they were like,
40. I could have sold my 911 and gotten one. And not the 911 than a Tester Rosa.
I think so too. I think so too, because I can actually work on that. But I think about this
this concept all the time with that car is if I sold that car, there's no world in which it's
probably worth $120,000, maybe a little bit more. I wouldn't do it. I would. There are so many cars
we did a series on this, which is still relevant now. Today, the more I even think about it,
there's so many cars I would buy instead that I want to experience like a, like a Cosworth RS or
E28M5 or a Lamborghini Yalpa or some obscure, like who knows what? Like there's a bunch of
money left over and, you know, flush away in Bitcoin. Who knows? But it's just,
I would, I would never own it again. Well, that's a, my, my girl used to always tell me,
I'd be like, cause I was thinking about selling my Porsche for a long time. Cause I was like,
oh, it's so expensive. Like, you know, crazy. And she was like, what are you going to use the money
for? And I'm like, I don't know. Savings. And she's like, boring. Yeah. She's like, and she would
always tell me, don't she was like, if it's your, if you're just going to put it in the bank,
just keep it in the garage. Cause like, who cares? Right? What are you going to do with the money?
If you're not doing anything with the money, like keep the car. So I was like, yeah, you're
right. You're right. And I always did that. And then that was why when I finally was like,
Hey, I want to start doing a dealer on YouTube, you know, like it's hard for me to just like
pull money out of our like, like our money to like go and buy nonsense cars. So I was like,
sell this car and fucking start over. And she was like, yeah, I support that. Like if you're
going to use it for a business thing and you believe in it and you want to do it, do it. So I
did it. And that's like, but just to do it to get another car, I wouldn't do. So that's why like,
I wouldn't sell you like if I were you, I wouldn't sell your 911 to experience another car. Cause
like you can buy an E 28 M five for like 30 grand. You're better off saving up some money,
buying it and being like, uh, I don't really want to keep it and then sell it. You know,
and I know what would happen. Anything I buy that's not that car that I've had for those years
would probably not last very long. That's why it's like, you're better off
buying it, using it for a little bit and then either losing a couple grand or like clean it
up and sell it and break even and be like, at least I got it out of my system and I didn't
sell the car. I love sounds like a good business model. So tell me about car week. Why have you
never been? Oh, uh, well, we never went when I was at Hoonigan because we were too like lowbrow.
We were like dirtbags, you know, Hoonigan was like the grimy kid brand. So we never
got invited. I don't think anyone would have wanted us there. And like, it just wasn't really
on brand for us in general. And then when I laughed, I don't know. I just feel like I was
like either busy every year around that time or I had something else going on or I wasn't invited,
but I, it sucks cause I want to go, but I feel like it's ruined now by all the like tick tock
car spotter kids. Yeah, it's, I went, I've been twice. Once was like that six or seven,
maybe, oh God, it's probably eight or nine years ago with Alex and we went and it was,
it was super cool, man. It was really dope. You know, going to the track and seeing all the
old cars and it wasn't crazy. Historic is the sick one. Yeah, it is cool. And then we did
sports car vacation land this year. So I didn't really go to that car week because I was working.
So it doesn't really count, but we tried to build something that would disrupt that
feeling, right? Where it's like $800 a night to stay at a super eight with a pube on your pillow.
You know? So we tried to like come up with some sort of way to make it accessible for people and
put it on an event and it, and it worked. People really, really liked it, but go into car week for
a car week, man. I don't know. I really want to go and like experience it and, and check it out,
but I just feel like I don't, I don't know. Everyone was like, yeah, I kind of felt like
the last like this year it was like kind of like jump the shark on being like a shitty event where
too many people show up. And I was like, damn, that sucks. Cause remember, were you, did you used
to go to H2O? Dude, yeah, of course. Dude, H2O was sick. And then I remember the year that super
crashed into the building and it was like, that was the end. Like that was the end of H2O as we
knew it. That court going around the, in his, what was it, an RS three or an A three or something?
That was like, I think I went four more years after that and it was still pretty okay. And then
it like, it became this like thing where people just went like, we all were fucking, we, look,
I mean, I'm not pointing fingers cause like we were idiots too. And we were like, doing dumb
shit and getting drunk and yelling at people to do burnouts and whatever, you know, like,
so like we were all a part of the problem, but like, it went from a really fun, awesome event
to like, it got out of hand too quick. Like, you know, like we were like innocently having fun
being stupid, but then you got all the people like getting wasted and speeding and like crashing and
like, and you're like, you know, doing two step battles and shit. And you're like, man, like
H2O went from this like amazing thing to, to over and it was such a bummer.
And turning into just like the literal represent, literal representation of a
blow up doll out of a sunroof. Yeah. If anyone out there doesn't know what H2O was, it was like
a three day long caravan in Ocean City, Maryland, where Volkswagen Audi took over the entire city
and it was so sick. Like every hotel was a car show, driving up and down the strip was like
VW Vortex internet forum in real life. Like it was a little ribbit of land on the ocean too.
It's like a beach and it's just this little ribbit of land with one road and you would drive
six to eight miles up and six to eight miles back. And it was so cool. I just got chilled
thinking about it. It was so sick. I love it. I do a lot and like pull over and like, oh,
what's going on here? Oh, it's the Mark one meat. Yo, and there was like the coolest event to ever
happen. Like I just think that like it was so unique because you, it was so big that there
wasn't any defining thing. Like you can be like, oh, I want to go to secrets and go clubbing
or you can be like, I want to go to, you know, the nerdiest Mark one meat possible. Or I want to go,
we used to do like the bridges going to the downs. You'd go like street racing because it was like
out of the city. And then like there was just, there was so much going on and it was like,
it was just so fun to go down there. Like, oh man, that event ruled. Do you remember the
Kion swag rabbit? No, swag bunny. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find a picture of it. I
should probably shouldn't even brought it up, but it was that rabbit that was like had the camber
that was like crazy at the lime green wheels. And there's a picture of this rabbit on being pulled
over by H2O police and the camber is like this because the guy had unbolted the hubs and put
bolts in behind it. And it was the Kion swag rabbit. I don't even, I did. Yeah, that sucked
when cars started getting like impounded and stuff. That was like, oof, like we're over,
it's over boys. No one wants to go down and get their card taken. Oh yeah. No, I can't find it.
That's too bad. I'll find it later and I'll text it to you. Anyways, so tell me about
those, the Ferrari ownership. Let's, we can finish there because that seems kind of like
modern Vin. Like how did you end up, what was the goal with the Friday? Did you buy that for the
I was like, I wanted a project and I knew I didn't know what I wanted to do when I started my
channel. I was just kind of like, I don't know, do this, do the thing, you know, so like get a
project car and, and whatever. And I was like, I had this perfect FDR seven, a car I really love.
I wanted, but it was like done and I had a bunch of cars that were done and I didn't have anything
to sacrifice and I didn't build the RX seven. So I was like, eh, this car I'm least connected to,
so I'll get rid of it. So I sold it and I bought this 360 and it was like the crappiest car ever.
And I honestly was just like, I didn't really, what I bought it for, what I ended up doing with
it is exactly what I wanted to do with it. I was like, I bought that car and I was like,
this is a gross color, gross interior, good driver. I want to repaint the whole thing,
manual, swap it and like make it cool. And I never thought it would be like such a sick car.
Like I was kind of just like, I don't go into builds and projects thinking like,
I'm going to own this forever. This is going to be the best thing. I was like, I want to try it out.
It's cool. Like, I don't know, put an exhaust on it. Sounds sick. So I did it. And yeah,
like I was just quickly became like one of my favorite cars because I was like, this thing
is just like a car sound is everything for me. So like, man, driving a car that sounds like that is
like, it's just so cool. And the fact that it's a crappy Ferrari makes it awesome. Like that car
changed my car life to me because I was like, having a car that's really special and really cool.
But you can stop, stop, stop. What the fuck? Sorry. Why is this keep? Why is this ringing?
You know, you know, just like a click and end and it's fucking.
It's hard to tell you that you ruined it. Yeah. But no, one of those things are like a
super special car that feels special to drive. And you can just use it like without it being
sacred is just something that I was like, wow, this is so sick. Like I didn't know this existed.
And for me, I really made me think like I kind of like crappier cars, like not crappy cars. Like
I like driving junk, but like, I like cars with issues. I like cars that have paintwork on them.
I like cars that have miles on them. I like things that aren't like collectors, you know,
because it's like getting in your Ferrari 360 gated manual and just being like, oh,
I got to drive 150 miles today and just like doing it and not caring about it is sick.
To the point where I actually think I want to start making fun of low mileage cars and just
being like, what happened? You couldn't afford to do it. So sad. You couldn't afford to drive it
more. Like what was the problem maintenance costs and just start bullying people with
low mileage cars and just make fun of them because I'm like, why do we think that's cool?
Why did anyone decide that like a sick car with no mileage on it is cool? Like there's always
the sentiment that you'll pass it along to the guy that'll actually drive it who wants the low
miles who will put the miles on it. But that guy never comes along. No, he never comes along. It
always gets traded back and forth by a bunch of nerds that don't drive the car. But like,
why is it cool? Like no one cares. There's no, I mean, I know it's like,
it's just like no one. There's no good stories about a car with 900 miles on it. You know, like
a guy that never leaves his house. That guy doesn't have stories either.
Yeah, it's like, get out of here, dude. I don't care. You know, like I just don't give a shit
about it. I think we should make that we should all come together and start making fun of people
with low mileage cars. Like if you meet someone and they have your dream car and it has low mileage,
you should just be like, just ask them why they couldn't afford to drive it. Like, oh, so
you need to bought the car, but you couldn't, you couldn't afford like insurance? Like, why didn't
you put miles on it? A year the car was made and the mileage on the car, there needs to be a ratio
that we need to come up with that's acceptable and not acceptable. I'm not a good enough at math
to figure it out, but we should, you know, it needs, if it has, it needs to have been driven at least
a couple thousand miles a year, a couple thousand. At least you have to drive at least
a thousand miles a year. A thousand miles a year. Okay. Because if you have a lot of cars,
like I make fun of Scotto a lot, you know, but he's got a lot of cars and he likes his
bullshit more than his cool cars. But like, I get it. If you have like seven cars, it's hard to
put a lot of miles on them, you know, doesn't matter. So you can't, why are you giving him an
out? You've got too many cars that if you can't drive them, you've got too many, you should sell
them to someone who will. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I don't, I actually, I used to like idolize people
with big car collections and then like you own four cars and you're like, whew boy, not possible.
You know, because you look at guys like Adam and TJ and stuff, but like they have mechanics.
Yeah. The only way you could own a bunch of cars like that is if you have copious amounts of free
time and money, or you have a mechanic because there's just no way for a working adult to like
maintain six cars. It's just, it's a limit. That's it. You know, that's, that's all there is. Hey,
I found this picture for you. We'll end on this note. You tell me if you recognize this,
recognize this car or not. This was the end of H2O right here. You see, have you seen this shot?
That's like legend, man. That was, and that's like, that's so modest nowadays, but like the
dude in like 2007 or whatever this was extreme camber came with H2O and ironically enough,
it started with cars that had like solid rear beam axles and stuff. You're like, it's so ridiculous.
It was funny. This guy actually was pretty cool. I ended up, he was a, gosh, I can't remember the
water wagons guys. No, man, I can't think, I can't think of anybody's names. I'm really bad at that.
Anyway, so this car was actually kind of unique. Like he, he did like this whole dash thing. If you
were to get in it and sit in it, he redid the whole dash in aluminum and right in the middle was a
Garmin. Just like a little four inch Garmin was right on the middle of this thing. It was such
a strange car and such a strange deal. I mean, if Vortex bred a certain type of creativity with
cars, I mean, it was definitely like a weird world of like, it makes sense on pre-social media,
whereas like people trying to be extreme to stand out and also trying to be like different.
Like there's so much of that. Like I'm going to do this because no one else has done it.
Vaub, you know, that I think still exists on social media, but was like pre, like I call it
pre-internet, even though we were on the internet, but that was like pre, that was like website
internet. Yeah. Yeah. There's also the, there was, it was definitely tribal too. You know,
Mark one guys, Mark two guys, or you had one AT swap guys versus the VR six guys. And you had,
you know, square headlights versus the round headlights. You were always looking for your
tribe amongst the larger tribe. I said it was like so special about like forum days is you
weren't trying to impress the entire internet. You were literally trying to impress your subculture
within a subculture, within the subculture. So like for me, this is embarrassing. And I know
you're to lose all your respect for me, but I was a Mark four kid. Like I had a Mark four GTI.
That was like kind of my home for a long time. And like I was a big person in the Mark four scene,
but you could go into the Mark three forum and no one knows anyone. No one knew who you were at
all. Like you might not have crossed paths because you were like a Mark one guy, right?
Yeah, it was Mark one guy. So rarely went into the Mark one forum, except to like browse a photo
thread here and there, right? But I didn't participate. So we could have been on the same
internet forum, but never crossed paths. We were absolutely posting at the exact same time. I was
trying to get banned and you were who knows what you were doing. I got banned. I spent most of my
life on vortex. I had, I had a count. I've been back 27 times. I had 10,000, 15,000 posts. Dude,
I was like a monster. It was literally go in the garage, work on the car, do all this shit. So I
could be like, guys, look how far I got on my project today and you do your project thread,
and then you could talk about it. And I feel like that was such a good catalyst for projects was
sharing projects. Yeah, I actually, you want to know just we could end on this me feeling real
nice and nostalgic is I still participate on forums. I go on rent list Porsche 997 forum and
someone started a thread about my new silver GT three. And I literally like, they were like,
Oh, he sold his car, but he's back in a 997 like sick. And I commented and no one knew who it was
because I didn't like my name on there is different. And I started posting and I just use it as like
my build thread now. So I like, I update the forum before YouTube. So I'll be like, Hey guys,
pulled my engine out today, like this and this and like the sea line is bad. And I'm like,
yo, this feels like I'm 18 again. And I love it. Like, like just making content for 28 guys who
still use the forum like your rules. The small tribe, the small tribe. Vin, thanks for hanging
out with me, man. It was good. I hope I hope I can get my car out there for air water. I really
want you to drive it. I was watching you talk about driving the, I think it's the car that's
right behind you there. Maybe. No, it's getting picked up tomorrow. I hope so. But I really
want you to drive this. I think it's special. I think it is the, I think it's what a GTT
touring would have been back in the day. I want you to have a go. Dude, thanks for your time.
I appreciate you hanging out. Yeah, we'll see you. See ya.
About this episode
Vin Anatra dives into the realities of car ownership, discussing the quirks of low-mileage cars, the challenges of financing vehicles and boats, and the nuances of classic Mercedes and Volkswagen builds. He shares personal stories about engine swaps, like the VR6 in a Mark II GTI, and the shift from chasing raw power to valuing drivability and practicality, especially in urban settings. The conversation blends humor with insight, touching on the evolving car culture and the balance between youthful enthusiasm and adult practicality.
12 valve VR6 engine
bigger brakes
carbureted car
car enthusiast
depreciate
FCP Euro
financing
five lug
halo car
hypercars
BMW 1 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW M2
BMW M3
BMW M5
Chevrolet Chevelle
Ferrari 360
Ferrari F40
Ferrari F430
Ford GT
Honda S2000
Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Roadster (W198)
Mercedes-Benz C 63 T-Modell (S204)
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Peugeot 205 GTI
Porsche 911
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche Cayenne
Subaru WRX
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Jetta
Volkswagen Scirocco
Original notes
Vin Anatra is a former Hoonigan SVP turned independent creator who spent nearly a decade helping build one of the most influential brands in automotive media before walking away to start Driver Era — a YouTube channel and small car operation built around buying, experiencing, and selling special cars one at a time. He's a lifelong car obsessive who came up through the Volkswagen forum scene, built his way into dream-level cars he had no business owning, and is now figuring out in real time what it means to do the thing you love for a living when doing it for a living is slowly changing how you feel about the thing you love.
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