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Guys on this post Thanksgiving day special Zach and I are in the studio and I am bitching
about Waymo's getting lost in parking lots.
I hit a milestone in my spider, Zach hosts a made up but fun award show and a whole lot
more.
It's the smoking tire podcast.
Let's do it.
Hi everybody.
Welcome to the show.
I guess you're going to be hearing this either Wednesday or Friday or Thursday or
Thanksgiving maybe.
Well, no, you're right.
We might do that Friday.
Big old surprise when you put this up.
If you hear it after Thanksgiving, I hope you had a good one.
If you're listening to us live, I hope you're going to have a good one.
Zach's about to go to Palm Springs for a week in a Volvo cross country.
Yeah.
The Jews travel to the desert but in comfort.
Right.
V90 cross country.
We said we'd never go back there.
40 years in the desert.
Remember when we were on the hike in Angels Landing and these orthodox kids were walking
up the stairs or the switchbacks and what of them was like, I'm so tired and my brain
was just like, should we go to this?
40 years.
You should have known.
Residual cardio.
You guys study real hard for this.
Yeah.
Already.
You know what?
You don't want to make mozza?
The fuck?
They didn't have time for the bread to rise.
Yeah, sure.
Always in a rush.
Why?
Um, yeah, that should, I mean, your Thanksgiving is not that stressful, right?
It's pretty, is it pretty mellow?
Uh, why do we call it?
It's a trip notification.
I think my cousin described it.
Do people do drugs?
No, no, no.
Not that I got a trip.
No, not that I got a trip.
Um, got a question.
It's just there's a lot of personalities, you know, and you have to like, some of them
are really cool and chill and some of them are a little judgy and you got to kind of manage
all of that.
And there's just like lots of kids, lots of dogs, there's lots of, lots to pay attention
to.
A lot of moving parts.
A lot of moving parts.
It's very fun.
And I truly love all my cousins.
They're really cool and fun.
But trying to get time with them, I feel like a politician, you know, like scheduling half
an hour while their kids doing something.
That would be funny if you guys have to like send in like, you know, send me that calendar
or your thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Find your slot.
Beer on the roof at 3.30.
It really is.
We have a dinner on Friday night that's no kids, which is fun.
So it's just adults only, the kids will do whatever.
I think one of the kids is old enough to babysit the adults now.
Yeah.
I mean, the kids will steal the liquor from the liquor cabinet and get shit faced at
home while you guys are maybe they're like 12.
That's so the age that that happens.
That's a good point.
All you need is one of them to be 15.
One of them is just.
Yeah.
You cannot have a 15 year old baby sitting at 12 year old.
They will all be drunk.
We'll see.
She doesn't seem like that kind of kid, but maybe, no, no, I'm not, maybe that's just,
I'm projecting my own family.
That's all we know.
We know what we were.
Look, all I'm saying is I was the 16 year old.
I had friends at high school who did that for sure.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Mine, oh my God.
So I'm pretty sure we've talked about it in the past.
Thanksgiving is Hannah's family's holiday.
It is a, it is non-negotiable whether or not Hannah goes to her family's Thanksgiving.
I've always been told that it's optional whether or not I go, but she's going, right?
Like she will never go to my parents Thanksgiving.
Oh.
That's what that means.
I mean, literally, we've been together since 2014.
So this will be year 12, 14.
Oh, yeah.
11.
Sorry.
No, I was trying to think at what time of the year we met, but it was before that.
So yes.
So this year, year 11, and she's never been to my family's Thanksgiving.
I've been to, of the 11, I think I've been to like nine of the 11, okay?
It is Thanksgiving a big holiday for your family also because you as a Hebrew like myself.
Christmas is a little underwhelming.
I mean, historically it was.
My mom would do Thanksgiving for like 40 at my house.
We had growing up, like not like a huge house, but like the biggest house for entertaining
and my mom.
40's a lot.
Yeah.
It's a lot.
And we had, you know, we lived in a very Jewish neighborhood.
So we had one of those like kosher ready kitchens where you have essentially two kitchens in
the kitchen.
So we, you know what I mean?
Okay.
I've ever been in a house.
It's like a conservative or Orthodox Jew where they keep kosher.
If it's a nice conservative, if it's a, you know, a fairly high end house, there will be
two of everything.
Wow.
Because they separate all this shit.
So there's two, you know, two dishwasher has separate milk and meat.
There was not necessarily two stoves because if you have a multi burner set up where they're
spread, it's like, I don't remember the exact rules, but our, we lived in a fairly high
end, but cookie cutter planned community.
Like there were three copies of our house in the community, but it was Jew ready.
You move in all of them had the dual setups for kosher.
That was on the ads on the bus for the realtor for kosher ready.
So for us, it only came into play during like parties where you, I mean, having two dishwashers
if you're having a big party is fucking money.
Yeah.
We were talking about that.
Miss Pat.
I started to do it.
She has five.
Five different.
Five different.
13 bathrooms, 11 bedrooms, 15,000 square feet.
And then she goes and I didn't realize how much it would cost to have the lights on and
stuff.
I mean, hopefully she's joking that she's on a payment plan with the power company.
Damn.
No, you've heard.
Yeah, I mean, she's probably not on a payment plan, but that's, you know, it's hilarious.
Yeah.
You hear about that with people who buy Bugatti's and then they go, right, the service
is 25,000, like, nine, five, nine, yeah, yeah.
So anyway, you know, my mom did Thanksgiving growing up, but after, I guess it was after
like my, we moved out, my, me and Alexis moved out, my sister, um, it, it, they started
doing the country club Thanksgiving, which is literally like the club they belong to,
which I'm not going to say what it is, but standard issue, Westchester, you know, County,
New York country club.
And they have the big Thanksgiving day buffet and bloke.
So they've been doing that for, I did it a couple of years that I met Hannah then, you
know, so it's that.
But, uh, so I haven't been to my family's Thanksgiving in eight years, but that's kind
of nice because then, then they're not cooking all this food and they love you that you
aren't coming in.
No, they love you.
And your mom can't be like, I did all this work and their friends are probably there.
Well, by the way, it's still, it's 25, my, my mom's still entertain, my parents still
entertain the entire family.
They just do it at the club.
Okay.
So they have a table for 26 at the club.
It's like a quarter of the people that are there is my family.
And there's a three hour thing.
It's just nobody has to make food or bring anything, but I'm just saying it's probably
great.
Hopefully she doesn't, she can't guilt trip you as much for not attending because she's
not like, I did all this stuff to their credit.
They've never guilt trip me.
Having said that, I decided that this year, I was going to go and my mom was like, Hannah's
never come.
What can we do to like, so, and Hannah's family is like pretty rigid on this and Hannah's
been pretty, and I go, all right, well, how's this going to work?
So I, so our Thanksgiving, the Farrah Thanksgiving, is going to be a brunch.
Full three hour deal.
Whole family agreed to do this to make it a brunch Thanksgiving, from like 11 to two.
I'm then going to, with Hannah, hop in and from the club, we're going to bring our
shit.
We're going to fly to my parents house on Tuesday, be there for two nights, immediately
from Thanksgiving dinner.
We're going to take a two hour Uber to her family's house, which is on the southern shore
of Long Island and dive right in to her family's Thanksgiving.
Wow.
Among the more hardcore things I have ever had to sleep in the car in life, man, you
get a chatty.
Everything about this is terrible.
And oh, by the way, Jillian's coming with us.
Okay.
So no, so you won't rest in the car.
No.
Yeah.
Back story.
Jillian is my sister-in-law, the wife of my brother-in-law, John, who passed away of
leukemia.
She is still very close with me and my wife, and she is aggressive.
She's an aggressive personality, and so you can't just like nap in a car that she's
in.
No.
She has to talk.
And if you're ready for it, she's super entertaining, like Armin, one of our great friends.
And if I'm ready for it, he's the most entertaining person to be around, but if I'm not, I need
your plugs.
Unfortunately, she'll be at the Thanksgiving, too, so maybe the turkey, all the crap,
you know?
A trip to fan effect.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the good news is Hannah's parents, for the first time ever, who are older than
my parents, are also not about cooking this year.
So even though they've got like 19 people down there, they're getting Thanksgiving take
out from the local Jewish deli, which culinary-wise, for me, is like super ideal.
I could just like pick a little bit and have a small corn-beef sandwich for dinner and
be like, this is great, you know?
It's like not.
There's no pressure to have actual Thanksgiving dinner when it's just Jewish deli takeout.
So, but this, that's going to be, it's going to be pretty intense.
And then we're at her family's house for three days and we have no car.
Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be tough.
But I was wondering about that, like couldn't you take the, oh, Jillian, you can't take
the Jaguar because that's, we wouldn't be able to take, yeah, because we're also, we're
doing a new thing.
So for anybody flying into JFK, prepare for the apocalypse.
Getting out of JFK, the last three times I've been there has taken over an hour.
To get, like, to get, like the shuttle to the wherever, to get to think, to get, whether
it's that or an Uber, it's, it's ours, it's horrible.
So we're taking a layover in Minneapolis and flying to Westchester Airport, which is
like five minutes from my parents' house.
So I'd rather have the hour layover in Minneapolis.
So we're trying that as an experiment.
And the two regional flights instead of the one, this is fucking genius.
The two regionals instead of the one transcontinental on Thanksgiving, much more likely to get upgrades
and we, in fact, got upgrades on both.
So like, yeah, hopefully we don't get totally fucked and stranded in Minneapolis.
Sidefall.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a risk, there's, there's a risk associated with this plan.
Like you should borrow a car from your parents though and just instead of Ubering.
But I'm not going back.
Oh, you're flying back.
That's the problem I'm flying.
I'm flying of JFK.
Yeah, because the problem is arriving at JFK, not leaving, Sunday morning, six o'clock
leaving from JFK will be fine.
It's the arriving at 3 p.m.
Because even if you take the 6 a.m. at LA, that's the 3 p.m.
Arrival.
Yep.
Dude, that is the seventh circle of hell.
JFK to Greenwich at 3 p.m.
Fuck that.
It's terrible.
You need a boat.
I'd be quicker.
I mean, that's one of those I hate helicopters.
And if they did a chopper, I bet it would be worth it.
Is there not one?
I feel like Uber helicopters.
I mean, there's that blade shit that goes to Manhattan.
I don't think they crashed.
I don't think they crashed.
Fly you anywhere.
Okay.
I mean, pick a service.
Well, it's crashed.
Yeah.
There was one that crashed in Manhattan.
But it was like, yeah, it was one of those things where like the company had gone bankrupt
but then it's sold to another one.
But it was the same owners and like a lot of paperwork.
Shuffle.
Boat would be tough because JFK is on the South Shore and so you'd have to go around
Brooklyn, up Manhattan, East River, and then out long down.
That would not be particularly efficient.
Anyway.
Well, inside baseball.
Thanks.
Well, when you were turned...
That was fucking 15 minutes of radio.
I have a gift for you.
What?
For driving.
For your car.
For me.
Oh, invest in stocks.
I drive your car.
This is Vin and Ron, yeah?
Yeah.
The driver is there.
Yeah, the driver is there.
But like we were just talking about that.
Yes.
Yes.
I will confess that buying two of these license plates I got one for myself also enters
me to win Vin's E92 track car, which I'm sure I will win.
I will.
I'm sure myself.
But if I put this on my car, I get one of those entries.
No.
I thought about that.
But I did use my own money.
However, it's exactly what we're just speaking about.
Yeah.
No, that's great.
That's very good.
Yeah.
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Also to Paul and Todd from every day driver we're here on the other show and so the last
show is kind of about them but Zach hosted this new award show, The Racer Creator Awards
by Racer magazine which was relaunched this year by our friend Taro and we were nominated
for Best Podcast and won.
So we got a trophy which is fun.
It's hefty.
It's very hefty.
And I don't really know what it took us to get it but thank you to whoever was involved.
So Scotto was on the committee I guess.
Which I have no clue who's on the judges thing.
I have no fucking idea.
And then he replied to our Instagram like you're welcome.
I voted for you guys.
Is this a center lock?
It's some kind of a wheel hub.
That might be a center lock nut and this is some kind of wheel hub thing.
It's weird because at first it's like this is a made up awards thing.
Like this is just a thing that's been made up and then and then someone hands you a trophy
and you go, I want.
Yeah.
And they're all made up awards until they get their first year, their 10th year.
The Oscars had to have a first Oscars and it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a wreck.
What was this bullshit?
I do think it's cool like to have it in LA because there's so many creators here.
Yeah.
And I think because I think SEMA has creator of the year but I don't know if they have
other creator like award stuff.
There's not a lot of categories basically.
I think SEMA is more focused on one thing.
Yeah.
But you did a good job.
That was a very, very difficult.
That was among the harder gigs I've seen people take.
I mean, venue for comedy was tough.
Yeah.
I mean, it was in a tent which you know, would have been fine if the tent actually had walls.
Right.
It had, it had, it only had two or four walls.
It was during a massive downpour and the walls were facing downtown Los Angeles.
So there's fucking fire trucks and all kinds of shit going by.
I mean, that's a tough, tough gig.
Yeah.
I didn't realize till afterwards talking everybody that, you know, comedy clubs like low
ceiling.
They're known for that.
Yeah.
The last echo.
This was like a 60 foot ceiling with all the sounds you've talked about.
And then off to the left, 30 people were at the bar, you know, a bad corporate shit.
Just chatting.
Yeah.
It was exactly like that.
Yeah.
Like there was no way in which you were going to crush.
I think you did amazing.
Thank you.
You did a great hard.
Yeah.
There was, there was some really funny and, you know, in typical Zach fashion, like sort
of subtle jokes that I thought were really, really funny.
And, and Hannah was like, oh my god, he's killing, he's, she said over and over like he's
killed.
I couldn't hear.
I heard one set of laughs in the entire what eight minutes because it was so loud.
Yeah.
Like you could have shot someone and I wouldn't have heard it.
It was such a loud room.
There was so many.
I mean, it was fucking crazy.
Yeah.
I hope that they keep doing the thing and it becomes not a made up award show that maybe
they find somewhere a little quieter.
Move it inside.
Yeah.
And you got to like, captive the audience more and just make sure when sitting and paying
attention a little bit instead of, like, standing for a moment, yeah, for balls of
a tent, bro.
Like, that's, I love Tarot and I appreciate what they're doing.
And like, I think, you know, it's not normal for it to rain like that in LA.
But like goddamn, that was, that was rough.
Yeah.
Well, if I could survive that, you know, then anything should be easy after that.
No, it's not a, yeah, no, and I mean, I think, I think the, the people who are sitting
around me who was like, people we know, you know, like local LA, you know, cats, we all
thought it was great.
I mean, we thought it was funny, but, uh, but men just, we just, we heard the ambient
noise of the room.
It's like 87.
That's the only one.
It was crazy.
I saw someone's iPhone recording and that, and it was after the fact, like, my adrenaline
was going down and I could hear the noise and I went, it sounds like the static on a
television.
It's just, rain, I could not believe, I thought I was hearing, like, the heater for the
building.
And it was just the raindrops were huge.
Yeah.
We don't get rain like that here a lot.
We usually get drizzles.
But this was like Florida, like, it was an atmospheric river.
It was, yeah, white noise and you could definitely fall asleep to that kind of rainstorm.
The, uh, the Rivian was really good in the, in the rain.
I'll talk about the Rivian on the next show, but, uh, I think you, you did well and, man,
I think, uh, I have to respect Amelia, our friend Amelia Hartford, who won, uh, who won,
like three things.
Three things.
She got, like, a video of the year, female creator of the year and then creator of the
year.
Yep.
Good for her.
Um, her, uh, you know, we've been friends for like a really long time.
I love Amelia and, um, and, uh, I saw her and the boys and she was like, I have to ask
you something that's going to make, you're going to think I'm such a huge loser.
And I go, I don't think you're a huge loser, but I cannot wait to hear what you asked
me.
She goes, I won those three categories, but I only got one trophy.
She's like, yeah, she said apparently they, they, I don't know, whatever.
Because they gave her creator the year they did not feel the need to give her more than
one trophy.
And she goes, can I borrow your trophy for a photo for a photo to look and I go, I go,
sure.
And she goes, your friends with Scott over and I go, yeah, she goes, can you ask him to
borrow his trophy too?
And then, and if you look at the series of photos, here's why she's creator of the year.
I'm joke.
I'm making a joke that I, she was even hilarious about at the time.
But like, here's why she's creator of the year because her photo sat on Instagram from
this, like, may, I, I think makes the thing look like it was a bigger, much more like
legit, established thing than like, it, you know, really kind of was.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, I think it, it, it, it's a good, it, it's like, she's got her like glamour as prep
shots.
And then the thing like her, her, her personal coverage of the event, her team has done
a really, like a really good job, making this thing look like super, super legit.
Secret is no wide shot of, because to, you know, keep the time.
Like the screen, when you, when I first got there, I went, oh, the screens are pretty big.
But then it's not even as long as like a tractor trailer, trailer, you know, it's a little
bit smaller.
And it's one of these like two screens pop out of one.
Yeah.
And so it's, I don't know, 60 feet wide total.
And so that's the stage, the stage is 60 feet wide.
And there was like 200 chairs, I think.
But if you did like a big wide shot, it might not look that huge, her, her, her, all
her stuff is tight.
Her folks like, like that, this photo set here is like why she's like better at doing
the internet than us.
Yeah.
She's very good.
I mean, that in building the cars and all that stuff, she's very good at it.
Do you imagine if I had someone do like a photo set of me, like getting ready for this
thing?
This is not you.
I don't know.
Even like, I don't know how you were when I was getting ready for my wedding and the guy
was like, alright, stand by the window.
I'm like, the pictures are good, but I felt so weird just posing for that stuff.
I just felt so strange.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you ponder something outside while you're putting buttoning your fucking shirt.
Definitely looks like I'm looking over a manor that I've purchased.
That shit is mad lame.
Yeah.
Those, those shots, we look, we glance over them once and they're done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, I'm proud of her and she looked, and she looked great and she was, you
know, she does great work, which is why she's, you know, making all the money.
And I didn't watch Pikes Peak this year, but Zword told me later that he was her coach.
They never met, but she did the GT4 class forever.
And she almost won her class.
Yeah.
And he was like, she almost kicked everybody's ass by the way, and like Jeff's words face
lit up.
He's like, I didn't ever met her.
But holy shit.
Yeah.
So, she's quick.
She's very quick.
And light.
She's done a lot of driving.
Yeah.
Good for her.
Asking for the trophies for the photo is just like a very funny, like, how do we, you know,
how do we cover this?
It's fun.
They didn't make one for each.
Also, also that.
Yeah.
They should have done that.
They were like, even if they were like, you know what I would have done is make like
little charms that hung off the main trophy or something.
If they didn't want to go and spring for other full-size trophies, I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe they miscounted her.
I'm not sure.
Hey, some would stole her other trophies.
It's possible.
So, we started a few minutes late today because I was at the mall with my wife.
I got my eyebrows threaded for the first time.
You ever do that shit?
I mean, I've had them plucked.
I've never had them threaded.
I've seen the signs.
I think it was like, I got a facial and they, women, women I've spoken to have oversold
how painful a facial is.
For me, a facial is not remotely painful, but for apparently some people, it is.
And I think they undersell how painful threading is.
Threading feels a lot more like getting a tattoo than it does like, you know, anything
else I've experienced.
Especially under here.
It's not pleasant.
It's not pleasant.
Well, surely the eye.
Apparently, the first time you get it done, it hurts the most.
Oh.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Because the roots are strong.
Because it's bushy.
And they don't know what's coming.
Your eyebrows do look manicured.
Did they blow them down a little bit?
They all sort of, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My barber does that sometimes.
They get unruly.
It comes out in fun ways, you know.
Then I have, I have four units of A-Rap because I've got these long, like, freaking, you
know, shrimp tentacles.
Or like, uh, it's also a tentay.
It's also the Jewish.
That's the, that's the 0.6% of my DNA that's actually Jewish.
Those are the horns they're talking about in the body.
Did you take the money?
Did you take the opportunity?
Yeah.
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They're fucking bad at parking lots.
Like they're just, they're bad at part, especially a mall parking lot on a weekend in November.
They probably go really slowly.
They are.
Fucking passive.
Yeah.
They're so passive, anyone exhibiting any amount of, you know, assertiveness in their
car, the waymo will just wait for you indefinitely.
When it was waiting for me, it pulled over on the opposite side of the street, in the parking
lot street that I was standing on, and it hadn't stopped for five seconds.
It stopped in a weird place.
It didn't pull over in like the loading zone, it just stopped.
This lady starts honking at it.
Like it's a fucking waymo, dude.
There's no person there to hear you honking lady, but it could have, if it was a human in
a taxi, the human would have not stopped there, but if it had, if they had, they would have
just made a, a U turn to the left.
There's plenty of room plus the actual loading zone on the opposite side.
U turn to the left, back out the way they came.
So I go walk across street, get in the, the waymo.
It then has to make a three rights through the parking lot to go, it will not make like
a U turn or anything like that.
So it's just waiting for everybody.
So P cars back and out, cars trying to thing, this F-150 makes a wide turn, and it just
like sits there, stops and waits for the F-150 to do anything, it's just, that's going
to be, that, that to me shows, that could fill your time, right?
It did, it doubled the time I was, I was going to take it to get here.
And that doesn't mean like self-driving cars aren't like a miracle of modern engineering,
like they are, like it was safe, you know, it didn't hit any, it didn't actually hit
anything.
It navigated, albeit very, very conservatively, a complex driving situation safely.
But like also, like it's, without like a hard pin of like, this is the loading zone,
which for some reason there just isn't.
It's going to be a mess, intermixing with human drivers, and there's still just like
really, really, it just proves that there's no one-size-fits-all, you know, like if you
want to solve traffic, AVs ain't it, mass transit is it.
If you want to have, if you want to improve, improve road safety, and in certain types
of situations, particularly highways, AVs, definitely.
If you want to have an efficient like taxi service, like localized taxi service, like,
ah, there's a lot that people can do, yeah, it's fucking, a computer you can't talk to,
you know.
Well, it's interesting you bring that up because I was walking the dog a few days ago,
and a waymo pulled up, they're in my neighborhood a lot, but it pulled in front of a driveway
to wait for someone.
And this driveway was one of those ones that goes down into an apartment building, so it's
got like the gate.
It's like below ground level apartment parking lot, and about six seconds before the waymo
stopped there, gentlemen, his Honda Civic had pulled up onto the driveway to go to work.
The gate had closed behind him, and then the waymo pulled up in front of him, and blocked
him, and because there's no one to talk to, he honked, and the car didn't move, and he
looks at me.
I start laughing.
I just start laughing because I'm like, this is the hilarious predicament, and Robo
cars like this is very funny, and the guy gets out and like walks up to the car and
just, he was perplexed.
He's like, I have no way to communicate that this is a thing that's happening.
I've seen on most of them on the, quote, driver's door, the best way to describe the door,
and there is a steering wheel there.
There's like a QR code that says, is there a problem officer with a QR code?
Interesting.
So like, if it gets pulled over, that like, I guess directs you to the waymo customer
service.
So I guess what happens?
Something happens if a norm calls it.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm not sure what would happen.
I don't know how you have a complaint from outside the waymo, but like, that's probably
a thing to learn.
I also saw him backing up in traffic the other day, but I think it had stopped.
So for some reason, it had stopped on the crosswalk.
And I arrived after the light had turned red, but all of a sudden, I see a waymo with
its reverse lights on.
I was like, what is happening?
And it would just, it backed up into a slot that was available, because it was encroaching
on the crosswalk and then went back into drive.
It's like, there, I mean, there's certain things they do that are like, you know, you want
them to do.
Like, you don't want them to stop in a crosswalk.
You don't, you want them to be pretty by the book.
You know, a lot of, I want them to come to full stops.
And if that makes them not feel human, like, you just want that.
But like, you, I don't think you want, I don't know if it's a technical limitation or
a rule that Google, Alp, Google or whoever has set for these cars to like not make a
you turn in a parking lot, for instance.
Like I would like them to be able to make those choices that like a rational human would
make.
That may be too much to ask.
I'm not really sure.
But like, that getting in and out of the parking lots is pretty goddamn silly.
And the fact that it won't pull into our driveway here is fine.
But like, I have, I don't have a move.
So as it to because you know, it's taking drops me off in the back by the garbage, right?
I now have to be ready to hit the pull over button.
If I hit the pull over button, right one about to pass the front door, then it turns the
corner and stops right at the corner, instead of going around back by the track.
Yeah.
That's a much better solution.
I wonder about halfway to where I really want to be dropped off.
What if you entered, you know, the address of whatever that business is on the corner?
If you entered that address, what would it drop you right in the spot?
It might do that.
It might do that.
It's possible.
It would do that.
Yeah.
But like, it drops you where the raccoons live.
Yeah.
And more importantly, there isn't a, for me, there isn't a door on the backside of the building
that's unlockable from the outside, right?
So even with my keys, I have to walk around the whole block to get to the other side of
the building.
It's fucking stupid.
But it's not, that isn't, that's a little inconvenience for me.
But as an example of something that could, if you're, you know, the kind of person who's
taking a waymo because they fear being assaulted by a taxi or ride share driver, and it drops
you off in the shadiest place in an alley where people are like burning things in barrels.
Yeah.
Like cooking, bath and shit.
Yeah.
Well, that hasn't really solved your problem.
Well, Mary, Chris missed us.
They're delivering girls now to got your eyebrows shredded, didn't you?
That's essentially the Uber Eats for rings, which is not a joke you should laugh at.
Although, maybe I just got to make enough to cut that word from them.
Sort of beep it out.
You have to beep it out.
Okay.
Yeah, you can't, you can't use that word.
Yeah.
So we won't use that anymore.
I don't know how, I don't know how you can, it may be one of those super slippery slopes
where if like, they, they make it okay for waymo's to make U-turns and parking lots,
like it could end up with like, I'm sure they'll graduate there.
Remember, I told you I was in traffic and one did a left hand U-turn across two lanes
in front of me.
There was like a gap in traffic and I went, wow, that was shocked.
I've seen it make U-turns on regular road on public roads before strange, you can't do
it in a parking lot.
I guess it just won a three point turn, I don't know, a book out there.
Yeah.
They have a wemo, I went to the Petersen yesterday and they have a whole wemo exhibit
of like, the timeline and here's how it began and it shows what the radar is scanning
and light are scanning and stuff, but it's cool, it's cool to see like, here's what
the computer sees.
But there was no timeline for U-turns and parking lots, not yet.
No, and was there, and there was no memorial for Kit Kat.
No.
Yeah.
You know it was cool.
There was a, they have an art installation from someone, I don't know who it is, but artist
called Mr. Brainwash.
But it was very...
You know Mr. Brainwash's?
You never seen Exit Through the Gift Shop?
No.
Oh, you should see it.
I thought that was a Banksy thing.
It is.
It is, but also it's not like, it's actually about this guy who becomes Mr. Brainwash.
Oh, okay.
And in sort of in the movie, while sort of also the movie is about Banksy.
It's almost kind of about, the title Exit Through the Gift Shop just like, and
it implies like basically like you could, you could really commercialize this shit.
And Mr. Brainwash is an excellent example of the commercialization of that type of Banksy
esque art.
Gotcha.
Okay.
It's a very interesting movie.
Okay.
I mean, I've heard it.
I know the name.
It's worth 20 minutes of your time.
So, it's our installation is very cool.
And he did, and I don't know if he hand painted these things or if it's like the Banksy
thing of Mishmash, or not him, who am I thinking of?
Alex Manopoli.
The collage.
Yeah, collage.
Yeah.
But it was like old-timey Victorian paintings and paintings from pioneer time and stuff,
but they're all like, you know, the, the guys like old Victorian guy with a big thing
on his neck, but he's reading cards for dummies that was hand painted in there.
And shit like that.
And like a New York taxi out in the middle of a past year and the 1800s.
There were like 30 of these things.
And I just thought they were really, some of them really made me laugh.
No.
Like a very royally dressed like clearly a king from the 1400s, but then wearing Max
for Stappens helmet.
Oh, that's got hand painted.
Yeah.
It was, it was really cool.
Mr. Brainwash is one of those guys that now has like a team of artists working for him.
So they, the amount of content that has churned out physical art under the Mr. Brainwash
name is a lot and you go, how the fuck could one guy?
It's because in exit through the gift shop, he's directing like 50 people.
Yeah.
He has like, the movie is at the end, it culminates with a plot spoiler.
It's a documentary.
There was a big warehouse show, he's just like filling the warehouse with stuff and it
takes like all these people and he's sort of directing people where to put shit.
But like, you're like, wait, wait, is he even making any of this?
What is he doing?
Like, yeah.
I saw another, I think it was like a vice-doc, but you know, it's like the famous artist.
It got famous for their work.
And now they are directing people like, okay, take a, take a picture of a light bulb from
the 50s, but screen printed over this thing and they just have someone else do the actual
work.
Who else, Dale Chahouli, the famous glass blower guy, he did, like way back in the day, do
his own glass blowing, but he's now, now he's this, he oversees, you know, whatever, 50
people that do that, it's a Chahouli style or whatever, but he gets like all the credit
for it even though it's like mad other people doing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, cars are beautiful, Mr. Brainwash at the Peter's.
Sorry, I recommended it.
That's the guy.
He's on the right.
His name is Terry.
His real name is Terry.
Got you.
Terry Guitguetta.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
You definitely, wow, it's amazing.
He really hasn't aged much since that exit through a gift shop movie.
Oh, that's probably cool.
I like the giant little Tikes cozy cool.
We've got a picture in that, which is fun, but yeah, you can save a little Tikes cozy
coop when you were a kid.
Oh, yeah.
You know, that's the best selling car in history.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
That's cool.
Yeah, they had a lot of stuff.
Yeah, Ferrari with horses and stuff.
That's cool.
Come on.
I mean, I hope somebody painted that.
I like the, whatever the being inside the Vincent Van Gogh house thing.
That was rad.
It was like, if you stand back, it looks like a two, it was painted after the Vincent Van
Gogh scream style.
And if you step way back, it's like, looks too dimensional.
You go closer, and it has a sign.
Like, you can go in here.
You can sit on the bed.
Yeah.
So of course, Sarah, step that did, because his, his love of cars, it goes beyond you and
mine.
Oh, yeah.
And you took him for a ride in the Ravology.
Did that, yeah?
Did he enjoy that?
He did.
He's good.
He's like us.
He points out little things.
Like, how come they have these windows switches?
And I was like, well, because they want the driver to be able to roll down the windows on
the passenger side, if they're alone.
But they do look cheap.
Did you see the, you haven't looked at the new one yet?
But the new dash.
The new interior.
No, I have it.
Looks great.
That's the one you choose.
Yeah, they've re-engineered.
I appreciate that those guys are doing, like, updates to these cars.
And the newest generation, like, interior looks really nice.
Looks really great.
And gauges are great.
And the way it activates everything works.
That car is fast.
Like, even with the auto, I mean, it's like 500 horsepower.
Yeah, and 3,300 pounds or something.
Yeah, it ripped.
It ripped.
And you know what?
It doesn't feel like Mustang horsepower because it's light and actually kind of stiff, like
two stiff for L.A.
Yeah.
And I jumped on it and I just went, okay, we are climbing through the dial right now.
Yeah, they go.
That orange car that we're going to drive for the video that's downstairs is a fucking heavy
boy.
That thing's got big power, manuals, the 429 boss, it's rigid.
They're fun, man.
All right.
Yeah.
Peterson's good.
Peterson was good.
It's very fun.
Superb.
I'm out of things on my list.
I'm sorry to say.
Oh, I did.
Well, I did just hit this morning.
I hit 7,000 miles in the spider.
Cool.
Which is nice.
On the way back from Malibu.
I hit seven.
That car has been, that car has been ace.
I mean, not wood, whatever, but did the break in, run it in, it just works actually as
like it's supposed to.
The only downside about that, the whole engine gearbox, everything package is like the
clutch is kind of heavy.
So you don't really want to sit in too much traffic with it, that gets tiring quickly.
But outside of that, what a fucking great car that is.
Yeah.
No regrets on that one.
That thing is, I should do a road trip to somewhere in that car.
That's really what it's, it's actually better for that than anything else, really.
I mean, you could drive to the ice, fat ice race, whatever it's called.
I could do that.
I could do that.
Pretty cool.
And it's, I mean, top down, like with bundled up, the pictures will be rad.
And that kind of would be fun.
That kind of would be fun.
Huh.
You just need like winter tires for it.
Yeah.
I was supposed to take the manks for that.
Oh, that's right.
Maybe not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you do that spider next year.
Something worth doing.
That's like, that's road trippy in that thing deserves to have more miles out of, I think,
because I'm not, that's not a, that's not a car I'm getting tired of anytime soon.
Well, if, would you be able to take it on a future road and track thing like the California
ones?
I could.
They want you to be in new cars.
That doesn't make a difference.
If I said I wanted to drive my own car, I could, I could do the Arizona one in April
that we're going to, but it's a fun opportunity to like try new cars on those.
But I maybe, maybe, I don't know, that's work driving those, driving on those, it's different.
It's not, that's not how I want to injure.
It would be more like taking it on one of the scouts than taking it on, you know, the actual,
the actual full trip because like, especially shifting, because I got to do radio and stuff.
You really don't want to stick shift car for that gig.
Having to have a free, I'm already driving one handed, like 90% of the time, yeah.
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I think the patrons snapped up every single, there might have been a couple of oranges
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But certainly the mint, the green, the pearl had did not make it out of, should we announce
that?
We can announce, they're all sold out now.
They're all sold out now, yeah, there's nothing left.
The next color, which will be available in March, will be, and this one really will be
the final color, but I'm not writing that on the case back this time, will be frozen
berry metallic, shocker, with gold hour markers and gold hands, just like the, you have
the website still up?
No.
The green had the guilt, gold hands and hour markers.
This is going to have that, but it's going to be a little darker, it's like, like my car,
but it's going to be the frozen berry metallic version of the watch, it will be the, it
will be the last one, and it's because it's, you know, pink, it's going to come with
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happen, or gift it to them, I had two people, when I told them it was going to be that color,
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So let's get to the questions.
Can you make that bigger, please, even bigger, I know, right, seven Mary, 335i, now
that is very good, oh, and speaking of 90s bands.
So our friend Christian Hand has booked a gig, doing his show on the I Love the 90s
cruise, which is in January, and Hannah and I are, it's also Christian's birthday is
on the cruise, and so there's some real bands that are on the show, I think, sponges
on the gig, I think, I forget who else is on it, but it actually seems really fun.
It's out, going out of Fort Lauderdale, which means we could go visit Maddie the Shaman
and go Aguana hunting on the way in or out, is this it?
Yeah, on the celebrity constellation, I'm not, I'm not, I might literally go and have
fun on this.
I've never, I haven't done a cruise in a really long time.
This seems like kind of a good time, and it's Christian's birthday.
Yeah.
Why wouldn't you go?
If you can, if you make the time, you should totally do it.
And plus, we are due for Aguana hunting, excuse me, conservation, Aguana, conservation,
air and invasive species, we must conserve them.
So anyway, Christian's booked this gig.
If you want to go see Christian, do shows five from five nights in a row, and a bunch
of other bands with probably what is now a whole bunch of Gen X and millennials.
So yeah, it seems, I mean, look, it seems all right.
It seems, it seems like it's easy to have a, is to be fun, and I think it will be.
Yeah.
I might want to, I might want to fuck with that.
Let's go back to the people.
Thank you, seven Mary, 335 IS for reminding me of that.
What car, what was a new car that came out when you were in high school that made the biggest
impression?
Mine was the 300 ZX twin turbo, which I was able to buy after years of looking for a new
one.
I mean, dude, I had a prime years, dude.
I had 97 to 2000 was my high school.
So, I mean, you've got the NSX and I've got the O5.
You've got, I mean, a lot of those Japanese cars were really at their peak right about
then the Supras, and I mean, there, there was a couple of like really rich kids in my
high school, one had a, one had a Supra brand new at the time.
There was a kid with a, an eclipse GSX brand new.
A lot of kids got S-Force, Audi, we talked about the Audi S-Force.
So, maybe the biggest thing, the S-Force made a big impression because everybody crashed
them.
It's too fast and they understood.
Too fast, handle like shit.
Every single one of my friends that got one crashed into a stationary object.
I think the, the German cars that all my hot red friends migrated away from hot rods
took cars that turned and they all went Volkswagen and that made the biggest impression just
because it, it taught me that like, that's what cars could do.
I think, I think when new cars were coming out, I could read the magazines, but I wasn't
hooked on any of them because they seemed too out of reach.
So, I was like, oh, new Lamborghini SV or 3000 GT or whatever, like cool, but I don't
see many of them and I can't buy one.
It was just the exposure to like a different kind of driving that landed the most.
Yeah.
I mean, really, it wasn't, for me, it wasn't high school, it was the Kuntosh from when
I was a kid and, and that, you know, that really did it.
Zoomy 54, how do you decide between consolidating upward and a variety of experiences with always
the right tool for the job?
That's a good question.
I mean, and it heavily depends on your space, your funds, your time, you know, and, and
what is going on in the rest of your life, like whatever your hobby is, it shouldn't
be, if it's collecting stuff like cars or watches or whatever, it shouldn't, like,
fuck up the rest of your life and it should stop feeling like work.
Right.
And if you're not participating in those hobbies for a long time, you know, if you go
in your garage and there's five different activities, equipment for five activities,
you're like, man, I haven't done any of this in eight months.
Yeah.
Would getting rid of some of those allow you to focus on one and clear out some clutter,
mental clutter, save money, whatever it is.
Yeah, like with watches in particular, and maybe with cars, it's a, it can happen with
cars, for sure.
If you start earning some money and you buy a bunch of cheap cars and I you go, I've
got five, you know, not beaters, but, you know, five, whatever, I've got an E30, I've got
a Miata, I've got a this, I've got an FRS, I've got this.
And you go, I could sell all of these and I could have one, you know, awesome 911 or something
like that.
Maybe you hit a wall and go, I have too many things, not enough time and I'd like to free
up some time by having fewer things that are nicer, which is a totally, this happens
at all levels of collecting of anything.
Like a lot, I ended up buying, you know, there's so often when you collect stuff that there's
opportunity, like I go to like a watch, like that, the intersect watch show.
I'm there, there's all this cool stuff, I'm meeting the guys who are the founders of
these watch companies and I buy a watch that's cool, but like kind of a novelty.
You know, you bought your somewhere else and you get a watch that's like cool and a novelty,
like got into custom sacos for a little while.
So I got like six of them because they're relatively affordable and you could, you could
scratch that itch for not much money, that kind of thing.
At a certain point you go, I need, I don't need, I don't need six of these, I can have one
custom saco, the one I wear the most, move the rest on and get one thing I really want.
Yeah.
Same with cars, space and time, you know, Lando Norris's Warren Plank, I like this.
Fuck Mary Kill.
Now this is written as going to Dakar, Pike's Peak or Le Mans.
I think attending these.
That means attending.
Yes, which changes this a lot.
I would marry Pike's Peak because it's easy to watch accessible.
It's accessible.
It's in a pretty place.
I think I would fuck to car once, I think, because it's how that game works, it's what's
once.
Right.
And it's like, it'd be so hard to see it.
You got to watch, like hopefully there's internet to watch the coverage, but I'm out in
an amazing place.
But it'd be difficult.
Going to Dakar.
Yeah.
Going to Dakar.
The fuck out of here.
That's why I do it once.
Here's why, because Le Mans, I've been to Le Mans and every time I watch, even the coverage
of it isn't great on the screens, because they don't have all the cameras like F1.
Yeah.
And I get it.
It's important and stuff, but I don't want to attend it and stay up all night and wander
it.
Like, I just don't want to do that anymore.
Just watching, racing in person stinks.
For most racing, forms of racing, yes.
If Indy 500 or Daytona 500, I totally get it, short track racing, I get it.
Top fuel drag racing, number one must see motorsport experience in my life.
You're fucking right there.
It kicks you in the chest like a horse when that motherfucker goes by.
You have to see that in person.
It's amazing.
Rally, the fuck out of here.
I think, you know, be fun about Dakar.
I bet if you traveled with the circus because you'd be the only spectator, you could go
to the pits and see everything happening.
Whereas Le Mans, unless you buy the pit pass, which will be expensive, then you're just in
the woods with a bunch of drunk, rich dudes and German people and like, that's fun, but
I don't really drink that much anymore.
You could show up for me hanging out with them, guys.
If you just get yourself there, I'd rather do that.
Rally is the, in terms of driver interaction, Rally is by far the most accessible.
You're already in the woods.
Right.
That's your ticket.
That's your ticket.
You're in the woods.
Drivers are in the woods.
We're all in the woods.
I'll think you're crazy.
Like, you traveled here to not drive or compete.
You're just standing on each sand dune each day to watch us wrench.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Like, they'd lock the doors for sure.
Yeah, it's great.
You just have to not be linger longer.
Right.
Yeah.
Don't make it weird.
Edward M340 hands.
Yeah.
I want a small to mid-size SUV for my wife.
You've mentioned the Acura RDX in the past.
It would not be garage, so no electric or plug in hybrid.
Anything else?
CX-50.
Yeah.
Mazda's stuff is fun to drive.
Yeah.
I mean, if you want to talk about fun to drive crossovers, like almost all of them are going
to be German and expensive, there's not a lot that is you really have a Mazda and you
have an Acura.
Yeah.
Those are pretty much your choices.
The CRV is not fun.
Neither is the Rev4.
No.
And none of the Toyota's are fun.
Right.
Yeah.
That's pretty much it.
H-town till I drown would love to see a pod talking about how true car stereotypes are.
I mean, they come from somewhere, but they don't like they're not universally true of
course.
I mean, other than people with SVJs can't help but rev them all the time.
But I don't I don't think that many of them are actually that true.
I think they're just publicly more visible because I think this I think when someone owns
a car that fits into the stereotype, like people use it to reinforce more so than when
someone who's outside the stereotype, use it to individual.
Because their brain is primed for that.
So they see, they see confirmation, but when they see something that disproves it, they
probably don't remember it or latch onto it.
Yeah.
I don't know many dentists, and I know I see a lot of people driving 911s, a lot of people
at cars and coffee and have 911s, most of them are not dentists.
No, that goes back to like literally the 80s.
The 70s and 80s was the dentist 911 thing.
No, but the dentist don't drive that shit anymore.
That's not how that works.
Elderly woman behind the parts counter in a small town.
I like that.
Do you know the breeds of any of your cats and what's the coolest?
I mean, yes, but three of the four are just variations on American short hair.
Cricket, fin, and Nikki are all American short hair, fins a tabby, Nikki's a gray peach
crossed with a tabby, and cricket's a tuxedo.
But those are all just American short hairs, different colors.
Nikki is a snowshoe, which actually is a different breed, and he's weird as fuck, but he has
blue eyes, which is really unique and cool.
Yeah.
Monty's turned out to be a great cat.
I blow horns.
What do restomod companies consistently get wrong?
Or are there any features, tech, or attributes that you'd like to see that aren't in the high
and restomark market?
I think what a lot of them are getting wrong is too much horsepower, and mostly Gunther,
because their cars do a lot of other things well, and that has become their calling card
to a degree, but I think most owners can't handle that power, don't need it.
There's plenty of fun to be had at lower power levels, and especially with like pro-toring
builds.
Once that got really took off, it was LS plus turbo, LS plus supercharger, because you need
to get that headline and have more power than the other guy making a restomod, and now
everyone has a 900 horsepower chavelle that's terrifying, just to say you have an LSA that's
boosted.
Yeah.
I think there are a lot of companies that can put a lot of money into chassis and engine
work, and then cheap out on the things that you touch and use sometimes, not so much
that it's cheap cheap, but they'll use the same kind of partspin buttons and switches
and stuff, and it can take away from, you could spend all this money on R&D, the chassis,
and whatever, but if you're using cheap flimsy buttons and switches, it's sort of like,
yeah.
Really?
It takes you out of the dream state that you're in for a minute, yeah.
I think there's a lot of companies that try to use push-button keyless start on a lot
of particularly American cars, and it doesn't work that well.
I can't tell you the number of Broncos that customers have kept with us, with a shitty,
shitty push-button, just put a fucking key, man, like, it's an old car, like, we're
no, it's not, we don't need that in this car.
Whatever, honestly, whatever Rivalge is using, it seems to work, okay, I've had no issues
with them, but Broncos that were built five, six years ago, and have these push-button
stuff were trash, like, even John Ward, he shits 350 grand, they're using keys, like, just
the key is fine.
I blow horn, should Chevy add a C8 to the lineup with a Z06 engine and the E-ray front axle,
as opposed to what they're doing, you know, upcoming with the ZR1 engine and the E-ray
front axle.
I think it's the kind of thing they could do easily, but I don't think I would like it
if the E-ray just had the Z06 engine, to be honest with you.
I think the E-ray paired with the Stingray engine is kind of boring, it's a little bit boring.
And I think that the E-ray with the Z06 engine, excuse me, the electric front drive axle
with the Z06 engine should just be the E-ray, and they should ditch the Stingray power
to E-ray.
I don't even think it's selling very well.
I was trying to Google numbers, I can't find any quickly, but they should, I think they
should just do that, like, maybe there'll be a facelift, you know, where they do that,
but that's what I would have done.
Okay.
David Twig.
That one's funny.
David Twig, the pink one in the Stingray is kind of funny.
What is the best money you've ever spent?
My two were hiring professional movers and hiring a diminished value guy who got me additional
money on my total test line.
What is the best money you've ever spent?
The best money you've ever spent on anything?
Besides an engagement ring for our fiancee's, of course, and the marriage that followed.
Right.
That was just required.
I mean, I got a couple, I've got, I mean, if you're talking about a consumer product,
my Vespa, my green Vespa is easily the best consumer product I've ever purchased.
It does everything I ask of it, and it never gives me the least bit of fucking headache
at the other end, and it costs me nothing to own, nothing to use, adds practicality
to my life, and I could turn around and sell it at a profit now, and that was not my
intention ever in owning it.
It's just delight all around.
So that's the best consumer product I've ever had.
And the other is like almost always lawyers.
You don't fucking want a lawyer, but if you need one, it's probably money.
Well spent.
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, hiring a real accountant was very, very helpful, and it literally returned money
to me, which was great, and also just offloading that, like, the stress every year, I did my
own taxes for like 10 years.
And now that you mentioned it, my financial advisors, my financial advisors, yeah, charge
me a flat fee every year, and they earn me many multiples of what they charge me.
That's good.
Yeah, you want fee-based, not commission-based.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think movers as an adult, when you cross that huge, do that every time, yeah.
Movers is, I mean, I agree with hiring movers.
They are worth every penny, but that wouldn't even crack my top, you know, things.
I, look, I, I solve problems with money where I can't.
I would much rather work a little harder at my own job and earn a little more money to
pay a talented professional to do a great many things in my life.
That's just how I roll.
So there's a lot of things that are worth every penny.
A great chef's knife.
It really, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't need to be $500, but like, one having one really
good chef's knife worth every penny.
And sharpening it.
Yeah.
Like, about a sharpening block and I sharpen all of our shit and that makes cooking easier
across the board.
Yeah.
Kim Jong-Rum.
That's funny, funny.
About to take advantage.
I'm about to take delivery of my new M3.
Congratulations.
Question is out of every single M3 you've driven so far, what generation is your favorite?
And a part, is there any, and what car out there would you consider a worthy competitor?
The E46 is my favorite.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
I was just running through all of them.
The E90 sounds great, but it feels big.
It is big.
The E46 is a great size, but it still holds a lot of shit.
Yeah, and the E46 is my favorite.
And my second favorite is the F80 sedan.
That was a great car.
The only reason I didn't choose it is because I don't like the turbo engine as much because
it was early BMW turbo and it was all torque from zero basically.
But I like it.
It was a really good car.
I like the steering a lot.
I like the interior, the styling.
I like that.
I like that one a lot.
And is there any car out there that's a worthy competitor?
I mean, sure, some of the C63s are, particularly the later cars.
Yes.
Like the Carb on when we got that generation.
Once everything went turbo, the C63 got a really good transmission.
Then it went, well, now it's like, how much noise do you want?
They're both really close.
None of the Audi's really got that close.
No.
I think the S4 and RS4, if you were talking about highway cars, probably were close,
but not on a track.
No.
Julia Quad, kind of.
I mean, I was going to say Evo 10 was closer because it was a sedan that was really fast
on track.
It's just not as nice.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's electric cars that are actually closer to what an M3 does well
then.
Chevy SS, it's a little big.
It's a little big.
Yeah.
Grilled tail of the dragon.
All right, wait.
Holy shit.
OK, I just picked up a Focus RS.
Are there any advice for worthwhile mods?
I mean, so, as you know, I did not like my Focus RS.
So, if you want me to, OK, KW DDC coilovers minus one on the wheels, a little extra
sidewall, and then the Mountain Stage 3 kit.
Now, if you do all those things, you're probably talking 12 to $15,000, but like, that's
how you fix one kind of where you sell it.
Possibly different seats.
And I mean, for sure, if you can, different seats.
Matt's missing at Kuntosh part.
How frequently do you suggest that a car not being driven in the winter should be started
and warmed up to operating temperature to keep the engine good shape till spring?
I'd say once a month should do it.
You can also like, you can prep a car for winter and you can make it ready to sit.
So it can sit all winter, if you want.
If you really top off, you know, you put some fuel stabilizer in it and then drive it
around for 20 minutes and then, you know, really top off the fuel and, you know, you can
put, do an oil change.
So the oil that's in there is topped off and clean.
Like, you can do that stuff if you want.
Do you need to put it on like jack stands so the wheels don't, the tires don't get pressed
into a square or is not really it?
If you're like hard core, you could.
I wouldn't, I probably wouldn't for like a couple of months for maybe like six months
or more.
I might, they make these really dorky tire pillows to the round things.
They're always trying to sell me those here and I'm like, we just move the cars around
man.
We shuffle the cars and they're like, oh, they're like, but you need these, you're storing
all these cars.
I'm like, I move them.
That's, that's part of what all these guys in the blue shirts do every day.
Like, oh, so I mean, yeah, I mean, once a month should do it, if, if that, and that's,
if it's a modern car, you probably don't even have to do that, but if you, if you want
to be, you want to be good once a month, a little fuel stabilizer and then you're good
to go.
You're a battery tender for sure.
Alice Mini Cooper, all right.
New member.
I visited Pebble Beach, F1, into 13 Mcerases and Indie Car.
What other automotive events in the US are worth traveling to?
Stadium Super Trucks.
Yeah.
Daytona Black Bike Week definitely must see a rally cross event, actually, that's gone right
now.
I think natural rally cross.
See, the Daytona 500 is worth seeing.
I mean, if you really care about it, the 24 hours of Daytona has its charms.
If you can, you know, find a place to stay warm and dry.
Mm-hmm.
If you can say they're all night, you mean, like, yeah, in field, if you can RV it or,
you know, whatever, some type of comfortable van camping, then it's, then it's pretty
cool.
People with Sebring, Sebring is a shit show, and it's a very interesting one.
So I would start chasing driving events, like do a lemon's race or do a rally cross thing
or do a school, you know, from a spectator perspective, I think so many of these things
are worth watching on, like, online or on TV.
Mm-hmm.
Going to rally is cool maybe once, like, 100-acre wood, but again, you could watch
it on YouTube later and get more coverage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll repeat my top fuel drag racing, and you can see that a lot of places, you don't even
have to travel very far for that.
There's like, there's concourses and things you can go to.
I mean, I guess you should, I think Vegas F1 is pretty, seems pretty fun, honestly.
I don't know about this one.
So this is a good question for which I don't have, and Elon Musk hiling a robot taxi.
We have coups, sedans, crossovers, shooting brakes, et cetera.
If you were designing new automotive category, what would it look like and what features would
it have?
I'm not sure there's a category that I could invent that's really a good one.
I mean, I would like to see the return of the compact truck, which basically doesn't
really exist right now, but that's tough because we have, we have, I mean, we've had everything.
I do, I appreciate when there's those concept designs and they've been out since the 50s
of like the Robo car where everyone can sit and face each other.
Yeah.
That's pretty rad.
Yeah.
Crash, the crash standards will be weird.
Like if I'm at an angle facing you and then we hit something behind me, am I going to twist
and twist my spine off probably?
I can't really think of an all new automotive category like shape.
George Barrist did a lot of them, you know, people like that, I don't know, I don't even
know.
No, I didn't.
That next question.
Don't know whether I'm the, okay, wait, can you scroll down, okay, I don't know whether
I'm the boxer or the jag.
I currently have a 400 horsepower Honda S2000 and a Honda beat, not a Honda guy, I just
happened into those cars.
Now that you said the NSX doesn't do anything more than the spider, would you still prefer
an NSX over a the modern equivalent of an Avora GT for roughly the same price?
It depends.
I mean, it, it, it depends.
I mean, the dynamics of the Lotus are better.
But I mean, look, I'm about to turn a profit on the NSX.
Nobody makes a profit on an Avora GT.
No, a friend of mine just sold his and I think he lost 20.
Yeah, over two years.
So the Vora GTs are great if you want to beat the shit out of it for like 15 years because
they have a floor, right?
There's a, there's a, if you have an uncrashed Lotus, there is a floor.
So once you hit that floor, you're there forever.
But I mean, NSX's are a well-kept NSX is an appreciating investment.
That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to cloud, it's going to cloud your, your judgment.
So what the fuck is that?
You hear that?
I don't know.
Arm is going off.
Car alarm.
It's a car alarm, right?
In the shop.
It's not the exhaust alarm.
It's not the exhaust alarm.
Yeah.
P, P, T, S, white, watching a number of Savage East comparisons, they try to put the cars
on the same tires from their sponsor.
I wanted your thoughts on that approach versus the P Cody approach of using the best OEM
tire.
I totally understand that approach.
And I think that there is absolutely something to be learned from that approach.
Sure.
Having said that, almost every single high-performance car is developed to be at its best on a certain
type of tire.
Or it has a tire developed for that car by the tire manufacturer.
Yeah.
And so, like, if you're talking about two cars, like I, the example I used recently was
like the, from 2022, maybe 23, performance car of the year, we had the Civic Type R and
the Alontera N. These Civic Type R came on an optional R-compound tire.
I forget if it was a Cup 2 or if it was a Pirelli, but it was an R-compound tire with an
or an optional like Pilot Sport 4S.
You could choose one, no cost, same price, so they issued us one for, they put stickies
on it for the track, and then we switched them to this.
Okay.
We felt that gave us the best picture of how the manufacturer wants to present the car
to the public.
But then the Alontera N came on the PS4S's only, and we tracked that.
And we found that the Civic Type R was about a little under a second or about a second
faster on the track than the Alontera N.
With most cars, that's about the difference on a two mile lap time for the 4S and the
Cup 2 on almost any car.
It's almost about that.
So we concluded that adjusting for potential driver error or the discrepancy from one,
it was the same driver doing all the laps.
On any given day, on the same tires, the Alontera N and the Civic Type R are the same speed
essentially, right?
But the reason it's fair to do that is because you can actually get the Civic Type R on
those tires.
Now, you could put any tire on any car, but like I also, I don't know, I think I prefer
the approach of doing it with the tire that the car comes on because it's today the
development of that tire, the co-development of that tire, especially the high end is
very important.
The lower end of the car, the more I think it's okay to put on the same tires because they're
doing less, they're not developing a tire.
Like, an Alontera N might use PS4S's, but they're probably off the rack ones, right?
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I have to Google.
But the lower end of the car, the more likely it is that they're doing that versus the
fucking ones that come on a GT3 or something.
I'm not saying that they're wrong at all.
I think there's merit to both.
I mean, I think Savage Geese, they almost do what you get in Imso, where like they're
all running on Michelin's.
It's just, I mean, yes, it's the tire sponsor, but it is a bit of an equalizer.
So it just removes that variable and now you are testing, focusing more on the car than
saying, oh, well, the PS5 worked better after five laps, whereas the R compound on this
other car fell off after two.
Maybe it would have kept up with car A had that tire not fallen apart, you know, so
quickly.
So this gets rid of all of that and they can just go, all right, let's just remove the
variable.
Plus they have a tire sponsor.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a good way to work their tire sponsor.
Absolutely.
It's a great way to do it.
But if I was sitting at dinner with Jack, you know, right now, and I was saying, you
know, I'd really prefer to show the car the way that they want to show it.
And Jack would go, I don't give a fuck how they want to show it.
Sure.
And I would go, okay, well, they probably, they might have developed this tire for this
car.
And he would go, well, that's fucking lazy of them, and I don't care.
Which, I mean, is his is fine if that's how you want to position the way that you're
testing the car.
I think the question will be interesting to answer is how much of a difference in lap time
is there between the tire they developed and the tire that was put on it for their test.
And if that time is basically negligible, you know, hundreds of a second or something,
you go, all right, it doesn't really matter.
So now removing this variable is better for a video and it makes the test appear more
even, but it doesn't really affect the lap time.
If you've affected it a lot, well, then that's kind of unfair to the car you're testing,
I think.
Yeah.
I think there's plenty of arguments for either side of it, and I don't, I mean, certainly
there's some arguments that are silly, but a lot that aren't silly.
It doesn't, but I've never, I've always thought that the approach that we do, which is just
whatever the car comes with from the factory, is a fair one as well.
JF's Air Miles says, is it a debag move to buy a fake watch for a few hundred bucks
when you don't care about the clout or even care that much about watches?
I always want an Aqua Terra because I like the way they look, but I don't care about
authenticity and would likely not ever be able to justify buying a real one.
Yes, it is.
I say go for it.
I don't, I mean, look, I wouldn't walk up to you on the street and fucking talk shit,
but you're here to ask an opinion and like, yeah, buying fake stuff is lame.
I think if, I think if people ask you and you always say, no, it's fake, but you give
the explanation you just gave, then look, you want to look at this thing.
It's like art to you.
You can't afford it.
You have medical bills in other situations, then like, okay, you want to look at it?
It's like here's why.
If people buy a print of a Van Gogh painting, poster, which they sell at the museum to
the gift shop and they go, I love this painting.
It does something for me.
I want to see it on the wall.
Obviously, they'll never own the real one.
I don't think that's the same because there's obviously only one real one.
And there's thousands and thousands of real Aqua Terra's on people's wrists about posters
of cars.
Yes.
You're kids, right?
You got, I mean, you can have a poster.
No one's confusing those two things.
No, no, but I'm saying like, you're not, the argument isn't a poster of a car.
The argument is a fake car, which I also think is a kid car.
Yeah.
I mean, I say I do.
I think they're lame because, because, you know, why there's so many cars that cost what
that kid car cost that are cool in their own way.
And that's the way I think about this watch.
There are so many watches that are awesome for a few hundred bucks.
And look, the Aqua Terra is a fucking nice watch.
It is generic.
Pull up Omega Aqua Terra.
There are a hundred goddamn watches that look exactly like this.
It's not particularly special.
And so there's so many brands that make a watch that is essentially interchangeable with
this watch.
I agree with what you're saying.
Citizen, Saco, Oriant, Tisso, Hamilton.
I could think of fucking a dozen companies that are cool companies with a history and
a cred that make this shit for the price you're saying, whereas if you buy a fake one,
it's not just that it, like, it's not like going to be a $250 watch that just happens
to look, that should be a copy of an Omega.
It's going to be like a $12 watch, if it is $250 because it looks like this Omega, but
if it didn't look like an Omega, it would be $12.
That's also bad.
If it's a really bad copy.
Like, they're also shitty watches, whereas like, if you buy a citizen, or a Saco, or an
Orient, or another entry level steel sports watch, of which so many companies make watches
look just like this.
What about, like, the Rolexes that you've said feel and look really close.
Yeah.
So are those, they're just higher quality fakes than something like this.
Yeah.
They'll have junk movements in them, or like, pretty shit movements.
But some of the fakes are, like, real good looking, really good looking, love a record
in charge of it.
You'd need to have a real one next to it to tell the difference, or like a scale, you
know, our friend bought a fake Explorer 2, I have a real Explorer 2.
And I was pretty impressed at least at first at the quality of his watch, but when you
put it next to mine, there are substantial differences, and the weights were different.
And the feel, the metal felt different to the touch.
I'm a huge proponent in not buying fake shit, because I know how many cool watches there
are for reasonable money.
You just don't need to do it, you know, it's, yeah, especially to be like, I don't care
about clout, like, that's why you buy fake shit, to steal clout from the people who buy
the real shit.
You know what I mean?
Toblerone Malone, what are your significant others or family members thoughts on ADAS?
Do they like them or turn them off as well?
My wife does not like the ADAS, she turns it off as well.
It gets in the way.
I think my wife turns off the lane keep assist stuff.
Lane keep assist is terrible.
Although I'm, we'll talk about it on the next show, but I was the, the Rivians, I'm pretty
impressed with.
It's pretty good.
Pretty good.
The, my Tycon was fucking up a little bit, and I had to, in the rain, this, I don't
know what it is about Tycons.
When it rains, their cameras get fucked up.
Like, like, they don't like dry properly.
They get like water spots and like blurry, like, our backup camera after the rain is
like completely fucked.
I have to, so I, so I was driving and it had stopped raining and I was going to willow
and back in the Tycon and I was just driving.
Not no ADAS on pedals wheel, I'm driving.
And I kept getting take over steering warnings and you'd like jiggle the wheel a little bit
and it would go away.
And I was like, what the fuck?
And, and so I called our homie at Porsche, I was like, yo, do I need to go to the dealer
because this is like, it's happened on the way to Willow like five times.
And he was like, first do the sleep cycle reset, which is the same that I did with that
air conditioning thing.
And then, like, really clean your cameras.
He's like, because I know it's been raining in LA.
Your cameras are really dirty.
I think you're wondering.
I think you're like getting close to shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, so anyway, I did that.
It hasn't happened since.
I wonder if you can spray like rain eggs or some other hydrophobic thing on the camera.
So that way water doesn't stick to it.
Maybe.
Yeah.
The placement, the placement, resolution, and this with the rear camera is a fucking
problem.
Driving the Rivian around the last couple of days, Hannah's like, oh my god, this camera,
it's like, you know, the cameras on that thing are amazing.
The one on the Ticon socks.
Randy crossed on the thoughts on the Chris Ward, Belkanto, love that watch.
So cool, big, big MBNF vibes for like 5,000 bucks.
Very pretty.
And it's a chiming watch, though.
So you got to like, yeah, it looks like a million bucks, cost 5,000 bucks.
And it chimes.
So it chimes the hour, which is pretty fun.
Wow.
Yeah, it's a fun thing to do for like a minute.
Yeah.
You're wearing your own like church.
Yeah.
I mean, they're pretty cool.
Usually a chiming watch would cost like five times that much.
So a keel and toe.
What makes the Porsche 918 different from the Ferrari SF90 in terms of enjoyment?
On paper, they seem similar mid-engine V8 with an e-motor, but the university, yeah,
the 918 is universal praise and the SF90 is disliked.
You're not wrong.
SF90 is also what the only Ferrari of the last 20 years to lose value.
Yeah.
The only special one.
Big one, carbon tub.
The 918 is a carbon tub car.
It's lighter.
It rides and handles better.
It steers better.
The engine, by the way, is the fucking RS spider limo engine with exhaust
stacks that are about six inches long and are right behind your head.
It sounds fucking incredible.
It's much more exciting to drive than the SF90, which is not that exciting.
It looks different than other cars that cost half as much from the same manufacturer,
whereas the SF90 kind of doesn't.
And also, it doesn't have a bunch of haptic garbage on the steering wheel that you keep
hitting in a bunch of like glitchy, crappy software.
I mean, it has 2013 touch screens, which is a bummer, but you can deal with that.
I'd rather have 2013 touch screens than 2021 haptic controls on the steering wheel.
So the motor trend weight in the SF90, which is interesting is I can't find anyone that
put it on a scale, but they estimate it's about the same.
I think it's heavier.
So you think it's a little bit heavier?
Carbos says it's 35.93.
That's horseshit.
That's going to be a dry weight.
Yeah, the dry weight is reported all over.
So a couple of hundred pounds heavier.
I think the interior, and then I think the 296 came out and it's a hybrid with the same
buttons in it here.
And I think they look real similar to the SF90.
For half the price.
Yeah.
And they're just as fast.
Yeah.
Like there's been no 918 successor.
Yeah.
They cost, you know, 12 bucks.
Yeah.
Rage against the Mach E. We all know what they say about lifted trucks, etc.
On the other hand, what car has the most big, dick energy?
Which drivers are hung?
Vans.
Vans?
Like the Jag and Vans?
Many vans.
Yeah.
What's the name of that magazine?
Rolling heavy.
Rolling heavy.
Rolling heavy.
The Van magazine.
Yeah.
What has the most big, dick energy?
I think actually someone who owns an old, like, Roland Heavy Van, and there's a true bed
in the back.
And the someone who's putting out the vibe all the time is like, hey, you want to fuck?
Yeah.
I'm down to fuck right now.
And I have the car for it.
You're like, you must be slanging or good at it because you're just putting that message
out there.
Yeah.
How about, like, luxury Sprinter Van being rolled up is a pretty big, dick energy car rolling
up in a Sprinter Van?
Oh, luxury.
I was thinking like off road spinners.
No, no, no.
Like, you know, like having a driver kind of, you know, man, there aren't a lot of that.
That definitely carries the energy of.
The monsters with like 600 horsepower, just saying.
No, I mean, I, any, like, I think there's a bunch of cars that like, I think the Manks
is kind of do, actually, because like anything where it's like weird and silly, but like self-confident
car.
Not trying.
Not trying.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just like a fun, a fun, cool vibe.
Yeah.
Always.
A car that exudes a relaxed confident person.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That car did, actually, the turbo are just rolling along and being a young person and
an old person's car, that'll do it.
Low rider.
Six, four, bouncing, I think, possibly, maybe, I don't know, there's no way to verify
any of this.
Well, there's not a way to do it that I wanted to participate in, I should say, is that
the end?
No.
Oh, it's another page.
Oh, sorry.
I'm more patient.
Legally, wiggly, deluxe says nobody ever seems to talk about the SRT-10 Ram Trucks.
That's because they're bad.
Would you ever, would you want one of those or a lightning and is the silver?
Okay, hang on.
Let's see.
Few different, few different questions here.
Would you rather an SRT-10 Ram truck or a Ford lightning, if you're talking about the
O3 lightning.
Lightning.
All day.
Yeah.
I drove the SRT-10.
It sucks.
I don't like the way it sounds.
Sounds like garbage.
Sounds like garbage.
Sounds like garbage.
We don't need it.
Is the Silverado SS any good?
No.
No, it is.
Like the old one from the early 90s with the 454 and those are not good and then the one
from like 07 or whatever this was, also not good.
Yeah.
No, you don't want any of that.
And big power factory street trucks suck my medium size cop.
What you want now is you get yourself an F-150 with all drive, you get the like short
cab.
Yeah.
The 10 speed on it.
It boosts the hell out of it and now you have a fast truck and that will destroy most
cars on the road.
See this versus that.
Okay.
So I've, okay, pigly wiggly deluxe saw a YouTube short showing a woman riding a motorcycle
that was way too big but had training wheels that would drop down when you come to a stop
to keep the bike upright and they would retract when the bike took off.
The comments section was pretty spicy but it seemed pretty clever and harmless thoughts.
Look, whatever gets people into the hobby.
I happen to think those, anything that keeps you from riding a trike, friends don't let
friends ride trikes if it, but also it could be like AI or it could be, okay, so here's
a woman.
Oh, okay.
So this person is riding a big fucking bike.
This is a little woman riding like a big adventure bike in Asia somewhere riding a huge
BMW GS adventure bike and to be perfectly honest, I think it's great.
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes sense.
She comes to a stop for people who are listening.
This woman comes to a stop, dangles her feet and they are eight inches above the ground.
There's no way in hell she touched the ground.
So all it does is come down when she stops, keeps the bike from tipping over and then she
pulls away and they retract and it looks like they do a very smooth job of it.
Yeah, this is the only way that this woman could practically ride this motorcycle.
She's delivering something.
There's a box on the back.
I don't hate it.
Yeah.
I don't hate it, dude.
I rode that, I rode that Piazio MP3 scooter with a two wheels in the front when we're back
and you can lean.
That had a button that would lock it upright.
So when you would come to a stop, as you got down to like two miles an hour, you just
tapped this button and it would just lock it upright so you wouldn't have to put your
feet down.
And then you just, when you hit the, as soon as you rolled on the throttle to go, it would
release it.
I found it to be quite luxurious.
Yeah.
I mean, I agree with our patron, it does seem totally harmless.
Yeah.
I don't know why you'd make fun of that person.
I mean, there's, I guess, potentially some kind of argument that the bike is objectively
too large for her.
But like, who might of say that a short person can't ride an adventure motorcycle safely?
It also could be in a market where there's not that many options for motorcycles.
Sure.
And she's like, this is what I can get where it's very good or it's handed down to me.
There's so many reasons that, I mean, she knows she can't reach the ground.
Like she, she got there and knows that, but that's, she had to solve this problem.
So I like it.
Um, Christian says, can you tell the difference between new car smells from different auto
makers?
They used to work at Lexus and a new Lexus smells different than a new Ford, et cetera.
Could you do a blind smell test of new cars?
I couldn't.
I don't think I could.
I'll tell you what I could do, though, is probably a blind smell test of like cars from
the 80s and 90s.
Yeah.
If you put in, if you put it in a room, let's just say, folks, I can, you put it in a
room of Jenna, 98, Mark three, Jenna, you then put an 80s Ferrari, uh, you then put
an E46 BMW, you put a Fox body Mustang.
You know, you, you, you, you, you, you know, it smells like, uh, like, it's a very specific
smell to a Fox body Mustang.
You put a few different cars, uh, from history, and I could do much, much better than
if it was brand new cars.
I know what you mean, though, we just drove a brand new cars act in it had a real distinct
brand new car smell about it.
That car I probably could have picked out as that brand's smell because they probably,
yeah.
Yeah.
Because there's a lot of those.
I smelled it a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Same glue.
New Lexus does smell very good.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm agree with Christian on this one.
A new Lexus is a nice, a new Bentley.
Well, then there's the plot twist of the Bentley rumor say that have the perfuminator in
the glove box, which usually is too strong smelling.
Yeah.
Probably all the my box we get are like permeated with that.
Yeah.
I don't like it.
That have that.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That's the lady of Pebble Beach.
It's not like a Detroit pizza.
No, I asked her what's the best smell to cover a blunts and she was like, oh, I couldn't
possibly say this one.
Is this one?
By the way, it's water taste.
Someone said that that video tastes like this bottle sat outside for about a month.
Yeah, microplastics.
That's not great.
Someone said the video was filmed that motorcycle video was filmed in China and China motorcycles
have to go to the junkyard after 13 years.
That's the law.
Now, I didn't fact check that, but that's what one of our patrons said.
I'm not surprised.
I mean, that's unfortunate, but maybe it's emissions, you know, they're trying to cycle
out older bikes.
I think, I mean, it seems to me that China has done a pretty amazing job of turning their
environmental problems around pretty quickly.
They haven't fixed it, but like they don't hurt on the way, renewable energy and all that
kind of stuff.
Like in observable reality, that's a good idea.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's crazy.
What I know about these atmospheric rivers, though, right?
Thanks, everybody.
I hope you have had or will have a happy Thanksgiving.
Some sort.
I'm going to have two.
Yeah.
Two Thanksgiving.
That's great.
This is going to be awesome.
Leftovers in the same day.
It's going to be so good, you guys.
I did go to the Malibu Farmers Market this morning to get the sprouted nuts to make the
special pie.
I'm actually pretty excited about that one.
That's it.
We're very thankful for all of you, especially our patrons who really, really do support
us in many ways, well, too.
They listen and then they give money, those are really the two big ones.
We appreciate all of you.
I promise working on the live tour, there's apparently more to it than that.
And one thought.
But yeah, we will, we'll see you guys after the holiday.
It's my birthday next week, 40 motherfucking, four, 44, what does that mean?
You texted me about it and then you did not reply.
You got it?
No, we're going to go with the dinner.
We're going to do that.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to do that.
I need to get a head count.
Got it.
I need to get a head count.
I was then, I was, I don't know if I said this on the show, but I was in Atlanta.
To pick up the 918, our friend at Portia was like, hey, I'm shooting something upstairs.
I'm shooting some video upstairs, but like, come up to the lock lobby at the Portia
Experience Center and say hi.
So I go up and he's hanging out with this fucking famous chef, Evan Funky, who was like,
there's a chef's table about him and he has three restaurants in LA.
And he turns out, he's like, oh, shit, that fair, I've seen your videos.
I'm like, oh, shit, I fucking eat it all your restaurants.
And he was very, I have a, one of his restaurants, it's very hard to get in.
And I have a very specific strategy of how to get in there.
I go, I only go, I go by myself on a Tuesday.
I sit at the bar.
It's the only way to get in.
And he's like, I like your fucking style.
So he's offered to host me and some friends at his restaurant.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Cool.
So he's off.
He's off.
He said for your, you know, your birthday, I'm going to set you up.
So I was like, yeah.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, it will be a time.
So I think that's what we're going to do for my birthday dinner is actually,
Evan is actually going to cook me.
Holy shit.
That's super cool.
Yeah, which is really cool.
That'll be fun.
Yeah, that'll be really fun.
That was a random, fun thing that happened on that trip that I forgot about,
because the 918 is very overwhelming for a week.
But also, that's pasta chef in California is going to make us dinner.
That's dope.
Fuck yeah.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
See you next time.
About this episode
Thanksgiving brings a mix of humor and automotive discussions as the hosts share their holiday plans and experiences. They dive into the quirks of Waymo self-driving cars, recounting amusing incidents and the challenges of navigating urban environments. The episode also highlights the hosts' recent adventures, including a trophy win at an award show and a milestone reached in one host's car ownership. With a blend of personal anecdotes and automotive insights, this episode captures the essence of car culture during the holiday season.
autonomous vehicles (AVs)
Dakar Rally
horsepower
Le Mans
LS engine
Pikes Peak
plug‑in hybrid
push-button keyless start
R&D
torque
Acura NSX
Acura RDX
Audi RS4
Audi S4
BMW 1 Series
BMW 3 Series
BMW M3
Chevrolet Chevelle
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Silverado
Chrysler Daytona
Dodge Ram
Dodge Viper
Ferrari SF90
Fiat 1400
Ford Bronco
Ford Explorer
Ford F-150
Ford Focus
Ford Mustang
Honda Civic
Honda CR-V
Honda S2000
Lamborghini Aventador
Lamborghini Countach
Mazda CX-50
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mitsubishi 3000GT
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Nissan 300 ZX
Plymouth Cricket
Porsche 911
Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche Cayman
Toyota Sprinter
Toyota Supra
Volvo V90
Original notes
Matt Farah hits a milestone in his Porsche Boxster Spyder; Zack Klapman hosts the first-ever Racer Creator awards (and we win one!); Waymos embrace danger in the interest of safety; and we answer Patreon questions including:
- Cars that impressed us in high school
- Consolidate or have a car for every occasion?
- MFK: Attending Dakar, 24H of Le Mans, and Pikes Peak Hill Climb
- Car stereotypes
- What restomod companies get wrong
- Should Chevy make a C8 Z06 E-Ray?
- Favorite M3 generation?
- How to winterize your car
- Why don't all comparisons happen on the same tires?
- Why is the Porsche 918 better than the Ferrari SF90?
- No love for the Ram SRT10?
- And more!
Recorded Sunday, November 23, 2025
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