{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"What Jeff Gordon Learned From Jimmie Johnson","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/what-jeff-gordon-learned-from-jimmie-johnson","audioUrl":"https://rss.art19.com/episodes/774c9351-08d5-4fbb-9210-7d1c8475c2a0.mp3?rss_browser=BAhJIhJQYXNzZW5nZXJTZWF0BjoGRVQ%3D--8fefffe563646d548c90d8b3b514a7a3fa898263","description":"\n        Jeff Gordon joins Stacking Pennies to talk about what actually makes great drivers great, how Jimmie Johnson pushed him to evolve, why Hendrick got stronger when it stopped working in silos, what Darlington really feels like, and why sprint car talent doesn’t automatically translate to NASCAR. Plus Corey Day, the modern driver pipeline, Jeff’s career recalibration, and a few unreal stories from one of the legends of the sport.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.\n      "},"annotations":[{"startTime":14.6,"endTime":20.2,"type":"concept","title":"NASCAR","url":"/glossary/nascar","quote":"We break down Darlington and all things HMS, all things NASCAR and Sprint car racing.","canonicalId":"concept:nascar","priority":0.9,"confidence":0.95,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"NASCAR is a major American stock-car racing series where teams race production-based cars on oval tracks. Strategy, tire management, and pit stops are as important as outright speed.","simplifiedExplanation":"NASCAR is a big American racing league. 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