What’s the Perfect 4 Car London Garage? | The Car Podcast #60
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What’s the Perfect 4 Car London Garage? | The Car Podcast #60
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Ferrari 458
The Ferrari 458 is a high-performance sports car made by Ferrari. It's famous for being fast and stylish, with a powerful engine that makes it fun to drive.
Concept
Goodwood Festival of Speed
The Goodwood Festival of Speed is a big car event in England where people can see and hear many different types of cars, from old classics to new supercars. It's a fun place for car lovers to enjoy racing and car culture.
Term
track
A track is a special place where cars can race against each other safely. It's usually a closed road designed for speed.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a special version of the 911 that is built for racing and has features that make it faster and more fun to drive on a track.
Car
Mini
The Mini is a small car known for being fun to drive. It has a special place in car history and is loved by many for its unique look and performance.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time. It's loved for its unique shape and great driving experience, making it a favorite among car fans.
Term
oversteer
Oversteer happens when the back of the car slides out while turning, making it feel like the car is trying to spin. It's something drivers need to control to keep the car stable.
Concept
London to Brighton vintage car rally
The London to Brighton vintage car rally is a fun event where old cars drive from London to Brighton. It's a way for people to celebrate classic cars and see some really unique vehicles.
Term
four-cylinder
A four-cylinder engine has four parts where fuel burns to create power. It's common in many cars because it usually gives a good mix of speed and fuel savings.
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petrol car
A petrol car is one that runs on gasoline, which is a common type of fuel. These cars are widely used and easy to find fuel for.
Term
electric cars
Electric cars run on electricity instead of gasoline. They are better for the environment and can save money on fuel costs.
Concept
Le Mans
Le Mans is a famous car race that lasts for 24 hours. It's known for its challenging conditions and is a big event in the racing world.
Car
McLaren MP4/6
The McLaren MP4/6 is a famous race car from Formula 1 that won a major race in 1991. It was driven by a well-known driver named Ayrton Senna and is recognized for its impressive design.
Concept
Brazilian Grand Prix
The Brazilian Grand Prix is an important car race that takes place in Brazil as part of the Formula 1 series. It's famous for its exciting atmosphere and tough racing conditions.
Car
McLaren MP4-4
The McLaren MP4-4 is a famous race car from 1988 that Ayrton Senna drove to win many races. It's known for being very fast and successful in Formula 1 racing.
Term
V12 engine
A V12 engine is a type of car engine that has twelve cylinders arranged in a V shape. This kind of engine is known for being powerful and smooth when it runs.
Term
manual gearbox
A manual gearbox is a type of car transmission where you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal. It gives you more control over how the car drives.
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horsepower
Horsepower measures how powerful an engine is. The more horsepower an engine has, the faster and stronger it can be.
Term
power to weight ratio
Power to weight ratio compares how much power an engine has to how heavy the car is. A higher ratio means the car can go faster and perform better.
Concept
Formula One
Formula One is a popular car racing series where the fastest cars compete on special tracks. It's known for its exciting races and advanced technology.
Term
aero
Aero is short for aerodynamics, which is how air moves around a car. Better aerodynamics helps cars go faster and use less fuel.
Brand
Honda
Honda is a car company from Japan that makes popular vehicles known for being reliable and fuel-efficient. They also make motorcycles and other machinery.
Car
McLaren F1 GTR
The McLaren F1 GTR is a special racing version of the McLaren F1, designed for high-speed racing events.
Car
Porsche Carrera GT
The Porsche Carrera GT is a fast sports car made by Porsche, famous for its powerful engine and sleek design.
Car
Porsche GT1
The Porsche GT1 is a race car made by Porsche, built for high-speed racing events in the late 1990s.
Concept
Ascari circuit
The Ascari circuit is a racetrack where people can race cars. It's known for being a nice place to drive and has a lot of interesting turns and features.
Car
Lotus Elan
The Lotus Elan is a small sports car that is very light and fun to drive. It has unique pop-up headlights and is considered a classic car.
Car
Mercedes-Benz R107 450 SL
The Mercedes-Benz R107 450 SL is a stylish convertible car that is comfortable to drive. It has a powerful engine and is considered a luxury vehicle.
Car
Mercedes-Benz SL
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a fancy convertible car that's been around for a long time. It's known for being comfortable and powerful, making it a great choice for those who enjoy luxury driving.
Car
Alfa Romeo Giulia
The Alfa Romeo Giulia is a stylish car that is fun to drive and looks great. It's known for its sporty feel and Italian design, appealing to those who want something different.
Car
BMW I3 Bmw
The BMW i3 is a small electric car that's great for city driving. It has a unique look and is made with eco-friendly materials.
Car
Rolls-Royce Ghosts
The Rolls-Royce Ghost is a very fancy and expensive car that is known for being super luxurious. It's designed for comfort and style, making it a favorite among wealthy buyers.
Car
Fiat 126
The Fiat 126 is a tiny car that was made a long time ago. It's easy to drive and park, which made it popular in cities.
Term
rear-engine, rear-wheel drive
A rear-engine, rear-wheel drive car has its engine at the back and drives the back wheels. This setup can change how the car feels when you drive it.
Car
Land Rover Range Rover
The Range Rover Classic is the first version of the Range Rover, a luxury SUV known for being good at off-roading and having a comfortable interior. It's considered a classic car now.
Car
R500 Evo
The R500 Evo is a fast sports car made by Caterham. It's very light and has a powerful engine, making it great for driving on tracks or enjoying a thrilling ride.
Car
Ferrari LaFerrari
The Ferrari LaFerrari is an extremely fast and high-tech sports car that uses both gas and electricity. It's one of the most advanced cars Ferrari has made, making it very special.
Car
Porsche 356
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a super-fast sports car from the late 80s that many people admire. It's famous for its powerful engine and striking looks, making it a classic among car enthusiasts.
Car
Mclaren F1
The McLaren F1 is an incredibly fast and expensive sports car from the 1990s. It's famous for its unique design and powerful engine, making it a dream car for many enthusiasts.
Car
Porsche 959S
The Porsche 959 is a super-fast sports car from the late 80s that was really advanced for its time. It has special features that help it handle well and go very fast.
Car
Porsche 918 Spyder
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a very fast car that uses both gas and electricity to run. It's known for being a supercar that is also good for the environment, making it special.
Car
Alpina D3
The Alpina D3 is a special version of a BMW car that is faster and more luxurious. It's made for people who want a sporty car that they can also use every day.
Car
Caterham Superlight
The Caterham Superlight is a very light sports car that focuses on being fun to drive. It's simple in design, which makes it great for people who love the thrill of driving.
Car
Toyota Prius
The Toyota Prius is a car that uses both gasoline and electricity to save fuel and reduce pollution. It's one of the first cars to be popular for being good for the environment.
Car
Ford Puma
The Ford Puma is a small SUV that looks sporty and is easy to drive. It's designed to be practical and fun, making it a popular choice for families and individuals.
Car
Ford Granada
The Ford Granada is a family car that was made for many years. It's known for being comfortable and roomy, making it a good choice for families.
Car
Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a small, very light sports car that is really fun to drive. It's designed to be simple and focused on performance, which makes it popular with car lovers.
Car
Mini John
The Mini John Cooper Works GP is a super sporty version of the Mini car. It's made for people who want a fun and fast driving experience.
Car
Ford Pintos
The Ford Pinto is a small car from the 1970s that was popular for being cheap. However, it had some safety problems that people still talk about today.
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Hello and welcome to Slightly Bleary-eyed episode 60 of the car podcast with Chris
Hours and his friends. Last night we enjoyed a really enjoyable evening at the Bristol
Everyman for the 72nd premiere of Luca seeing Red. So that might be the last one we do,
you never know. But it was a really, really lovely evening in my hometown. I've woken
up very bleary-eyed, full of the cold. Everyone else had to drive for hours and got back at
three in the morning, two in the morning and the roads were closed. So if we're a bit slower
than usual, I do apologise. Let's kick things off with... Oh, a nice easy one to start with.
What did we do in cars this week? Let's start with Chris Cooper.
Can I, just before we start, can I just say we had a really lovely time last night. It was and
the film will come out hopefully a bit more. It was really, really good and the people at Bristol
were lovely. Chris's hometown, Bristol did the film and Mr. Harris proud. It was really, really lovely.
Episode 60 also represents the return of Finley as the producer. Brilliant. Thank fuck.
Mr. Harris, you are a god to us. I was talking... I was at Goodwood this week and I'll talk about
that in a minute because I had a lovely event there in these minis. He's gone. He's gone. Where's he
gone? He loves a bit of praise. He does love a bit of praise, doesn't he? I'll tell the rest of you.
What? I mean, there's an amputated camel. It's not amputated. It's sitting down in the desert.
Someone's cut the toes off. At the Goodwood thing at the weekend, all everyone could talk about was
that Max Verstappen film and how Mr. Harris was the guy that got Max, showed the world a different
version of Max. You're a short fella, you're a giant, but bugger me, you're a useless producer.
You did it twice and actually you got worse. Let me tell you now, Finley does a great job.
When you're trying to get this thing uploaded and it's about one in the morning and it starts doing
weird things in the edit and you press a button and you think, I can't undo that and then it
bins your latest edit and throws it in the bin and starts again and you think yourself,
you ask that famous man-mass question, what would I pay to never have to do this again?
And the number becomes quite large. Yes. It's your Finley. Something around. So Finley, yes,
I really do, but I've always recognized your skills. I never ever want to produce it, but
we put two podcasts out and the numbers were quite good. So, judged empirically, I can say to Chris
Cooper with my most caring hat on, fuck you. Very good. On Saturday, actually Friday and Saturday,
Cameron and I went to Goodwood for essentially a pre-66 mini festival of mini-ness. It was just
a lovely event. It was a swift tune, the people who do all those amazing mini racing things at
Goodwood and the engines and so forth. So, Nick Swift, Georgie, his daughter, his wife,
all of their gang, they generally put on a really, really lovely day. There was a track
day on Friday and a sprint, which I'd never done before, but Cameron did the driving because
he's faster than me. They did a sprint, which he did literally one lap of the circuit, just about
one lap. It was brilliant fun. It was really, it was good natured. It was well behaved. Everybody
enjoyed it. Lots of rock stars, all the famous people of race minis at Goodwood at the front and
sort of us somewhere. And it was really, and I tell you what it did. It reminded me that you
don't need to have the GT3 RS to enjoy a track. There you go. It's about without one. And you
don't need to have rear-wheel drive. You can have front-wheel drive. Those things in the...
rear-wheel drive cars, those things. In the drive, those things never point forwards. It's
extraordinary. They just literally, Cameron Wreckandy was flat all the way from basically
leaving the pits, just sort of going through no-name towards St. Mary's and going through no-name,
which is the last right before the left at St. Mary's. It's just, it's like a Scalect
Street's car that's come off its thing. They're brilliant. They're brilliant. So, it was,
we were lucky with the weather on Saturday. Goodwood was amazing. Goodwood looks really,
really lovely in the autumn. There were literally leaves all over the track. Some of the photography
is going to be great because these little, ditty little minis just fluttering through the leaves.
It was, it was a real feel-good thing. A lot of people turned up. It was a, it wasn't an advertised
event. It was free to get in. But about a thousand people or something turned up on Saturday. It was
extraordinary. Really, really a lot of love. A lot of love for the original little equal mini. And I,
and it just made me feel good about the world of cars and people and celebrating the simplest,
smallest, least powerful car racing thing. And it also reminded me, and I wanted to just to say
this, there's the Goodwood Marshals Club, which basically marshals all those wonderful events
everybody loves at Goodwood. They're having a charity track day in December. We'll put the link
up on, on YouTube and they're doing it in support of the Goodwood Education Trust and Race Against
Dementia. So, Jackie Stewart's amazing charity, which I know most people all around the world
know about. So, if you're in the UK in December, fourth and fifth of December, we'll put a link
on the website. Please go along to it. I might go along on the Friday just to sort of, you know,
help them rattle it in. But yeah, it was, I was really, I've been working really hard the last,
it feels like the last year. And just to have the Friday, half to Friday off, and the Saturday,
in the company of like-minded people, made me really happy. I loved it.
I love minis. And I tell you what, the challenge of driving one of these race minis around Goodwood
Fast is not to be underestimated. It's so rewarding. And I remember being in the paddock there a few
years ago, and I raced not the same weekend, but it might have been a member's meeting in a revival,
a mini in a one-mate race in a Porsche 911. And everyone was jealous of who drove in the Porsche
race. I'll tell you now, the minis are much more fun to drive than those short-wheel-boats 911s.
They feel underpowered, and they're vastly expensive, frankly. The minis are just heroically
fun. They're probably quicker in terms of lap time as well. And they are, when you just turn in,
and the front of the car darts, and you think, good God, that was fast, and the back end tries to
swap, literally trying to overtake you, and you just want to manage this oversteer,
Nick Swift is an absolute genius in these things. He's a magician to watch.
And it's British. I love it. It's a quirky little British car being lobbed around Goodwood.
It's a great thing. So, yeah, I was a bit jealous of that. In fact, I want a mini,
I want a mini of some sort. Next summer I'll come and try it. Neil's got a really cool,
actually Neil, this week, talk about your cars, but you've got a really cool mini in your shed
down south, which I was very jealous of. Go ahead, Neil.
I ticked a bucket list, which was really good, because we've got all these bucket list things,
and we never get round to them. I did the London to Brighton vintage car rally thing.
And for many, many years, because I'm a bit of a voyeur, I like to go to things but not be in them.
I like to be there but not there. It's a little bit. One of my many weirdo things. I'm always
nervous of actually being in it, but I like being there on the sidelines. But I was invited by the
lovely Harvey, Harvey R.M. Harvey, to join him with the owner called Philip in this beautiful
a car I've never heard of, a Moors 1902 French thing to do it. And it was absolutely pissing
with rain. I always go, I always, with often my friend Paul, or my friend Luke, or my friend Zade,
drag my son there, or even drag my wife there. I'm often there on the 615 on the November the
3rd to watch all the cars go out, because it's just a wonderful, wonderful thing,
oldest motoring event in the world, I think. But to do it is another level of excitement
and a nervousness. I'm always nervous if I'm in something. What's going to go wrong? I'm always
thinking of the bloody go wrong things. But Harvey arrived, even though I rang him at 620,
I'm like, mate, you hear, he's like, well, I'm actually still in bed. But I will be there in
nine minutes, which unbelievably was. Does he not know you? Yeah, no, I'm like, come on, it's,
you know, I know we're supposed to leave in an hour, but you really should be here now, just in case.
That will be late being on time. Yeah. I found Philip in section four, there's like a mile of
these cars. I'm always nervous, how am I going to find the man I'm going to get left behind.
But I found him, beautifully charming, lovely, wonderful man, who's done it 35 times in four
different cars. And then off we went. And it was so pleasurable. I wish I'd have sort of
the whole thing, you know, you're always like, shit, why didn't I bring a little
camera so I could film it? You go under the, is it the Wellington Arch? What's that big arch at
a Hyde Park corner, not Hyde Park corner, the other end? Admiralty Arch, wife shouting in the
background. Thank you. You go along the mall, you go round Nelson's column thing, whatever that is,
Fowler Square, you go down 10 Downing Street, well, obviously not down Downing Street, but that bit.
You go across Westminster Bridge, you see Big Ben, and you then have sort of 15 miles through sort
of London, absolutely pissing it down like, oh my God, if it's like this for the next six hours,
this is going to be interesting. Brixton, Stretum, you know, Perley, Croydon, and actually the sun
came out of Gatwick, which is sort of two and a half hours later. And actually,
that's the reason it's never been happened before. I was just about to say the same thing.
That's never my third album. The Sun came out of Gatwick. Yeah, I mean, what a shithole that place is.
As an add any cab expended it, so I was going there with Dan Eyre in 1977 to Benidorm, but we,
the amount of people that lie in the streets, the sort of joy on everyone's faces,
the camaraderie between cars, bikes, you know, there's about 20 blokes on Penny Farthings,
and actually they're in the lead. I saw that. I thought there was some sort of little motorizing
in them, but they were actually powered by this poor little person perched on the top.
They're the fastest. The Penny Farthing guys basically get there almost first,
because it's very difficult. We might talk about sat nav later, but when you have no idea,
particularly if you're doing it the first time, what time are you going to get there? Are you
going to get there at 11, 12, 1, 2? I had no clue. And we were probably top 10% when we arrived in
Brighton, and we arrived about half 12, quarter to 1. We left at 7.15. You know, it's quite a
long way when you're going 15 miles an hour. You have a lovely sort of pit stop at Crawley,
where they give you, sponsored by cars, the go-to people for moving cars around the world,
little sausage sandwich, bacon sandwich, cup of tea. It was just wonderful. And I would highly
recommend it. If you ever get offered, I think it's a it's a life thing, isn't it? If you get
offered something, do it. Could we get, could we ask the nice people who listen to this? You have
the lovely cars. Don't be offended, but if somebody has a Penny Farthing, they'd like me to ride.
No, thank you. I'd love to do that. But steam-powered motorbikes, for fuck's sake,
who knew that existed? I was going to say, what was yours powered by? Was yours powered by coal,
or... This is obviously where my very thin knowledge of mainly, of most things,
but it was a four-cylinder, normal, petrol car. And actually quite talky. You felt like you were
sort of cracking along, be it that you're going at sort of 17 miles an hour, but you're overtaking
a lot of cars. But there's, you know, there's a, who would have thought there was electric cars in
1900? You imagine at the time when they said, you know what, those electric cars are good,
but we've worked out that there's this liquid that you put into a car, and you can actually,
you don't actually have to charge it up because you just fill it up with liquid, and off it goes
again. It's an amazing invention. The steam, there was, you know, coal-powered cars with fire in them,
driving along. I mean, the whole... People was a bloke on the back, on the foot plate.
Yeah, just, you know, keeping the coal going. I mean, just a great event. I'm very appreciative of
Harvey, RM, the RAC Club, Philip. And it's one of those things a bit like, you know, when Chris,
Mr. Harris introduced me to the TT, and you're like, shit, I've actually got to do that now for
the rest of my life because that is a very special thing. I can't actually miss that now. That's a
thing in my calendar. That was one question. Yes. Are you now keen to buy one of those types of
vehicles? Harvey with the sharpest pencil in the box when it comes to trying to wind a car into people.
He's just slightly ahead of Matthew Beard. He was like, well, we should buy one now, Neil,
shouldn't we? You know, let's go half way. You know, it's 25 grand each. We can, you know,
you haven't got to buy these expensive because some of them are like, I don't know, 500 grand,
million quid. They look exactly the, the five million quid one looks exactly the same as the
30 grand one. And you've, you know, this is, this was Mercedes before it was Mercedes. It's a singer
or a Simcar. And, you know, you've no idea what these things, I've got no knowledge of sort of
pre-1930 parts whatsoever. But I would, it's just great. And thank you. And I really enjoyed it.
And I'm going to do it again. I'm jealous. I want to do it. We should all do it. If you want to do
it right in the comments, you four should do it in a car. Manage, what have you done in cars this
week? That just has given me a little idea, because do you remember the film Genevieve,
which was about the London to Brighton race? It was made in the 60s. Gorgeous movie. Very,
very. Do you think we could do an occasional, an occasional Chris Harrison Friends movie night?
Because I bet you we can talk to the every man and have a racing movie with our, with our chums.
If there's a full sequel to cinema, I think that's possible.
Yeah. No one else would want to come, man. It should just be us.
Oh, come on. Can we, I'd love to see Le Mans. I've never seen Le Mans on a big screen. Have you?
Yeah, I think it was a good idea actually.
On a big screen. Genevieve on a big, just something that's vaguely, I'd love to see,
what was it? Is it not the mechanic? What's the, the one, the getaway driver with Ryan O'Neill?
The driver. Oh no. That one. Yeah.
Yeah. That one too. I'm just saying it. Don't you think that would be a lot of fun actually?
Yeah. What did you do in cars this week, Manish?
Okay. So Mr. Harris is a very, very happy, very emotional moment, gave me a call and said,
RM are going to be auctioning in a sealed bid, Senors McLaren MP46, the one that won the Brazilian
Grand Prix in 1991. It was a centerpiece in the movie. I remember watching it as a medical student
and not having the time to cry my eyes out because at that time the BBC used to start a
Grand Prix about 10 minutes before and finish a Grand Prix about a minute afterwards and the
race was running a little bit late. And I have to say, Chris said, look, you and I will just
introduce the car. We'll talk about it for about half an hour after they take the cover off. So
off we went to the very ritzy name, forgotten the name of the hotel, the peninsula to the very
ritzy peninsula. Champagne was flowing. I felt on top form until they took the cover away and
then I could almost not speak. I've never, ever, ever been here with a motion like that. Well,
just once when they unveiled Lola at a Rourke's when they took dramatically took the cover off,
and I thought, oh my God, that's my car. It's really weird being dumbstruck by an inanimate
object because you're not really being dumbstruck by an inanimate object. That object is animate.
That's as close as I have been to my absolute hero. You know, I just just the closest I've
ever been to the greatest moment in my opinion of his life. And I know I'd said it that evening,
for Senna, there were two really important cars. The one he won his world championship in,
the MP4-4 from 1988, where when he, he passed the start finish line at Suzuka, he sort of he
had an experience where he felt God. That's what he said. He felt, you know, he saw God. And the,
the other one was winning in Brazil. And the second of the two was for me, just almost more,
it was almost more incredible because it took three years longer. The number of times Senna
got close to winning in Brazil and crashed or lost this gear or did that. And the heroism
with which he kept it together, he basically started to lose gears and he drove the last,
he had gearbox problems for the last seven laps. He drove the last two laps holding the car in sixth.
It's a manual gearbox car with a V12 engine and he's holding it with his right hand. It was brilliant
because Chris put his head in the car and it managed. That's a proper sort of age box because
Chris thought it might have been a sequential box. It's not. It's not at all.
But you know, there are places that that's our parallel track, right? Beco de Pato. There are
a few corners there where honestly, you could almost stall it in third. How he did not stall
that car on those and Petrazi was coming at him five seconds a lap. I mean, Senna won the race by
2.99 seconds. I remember that and literally he stopped and Petrazi goes boom, straight past him.
It was incredible. That evening, sorry. Is that the race where he's waving the flag and he's
completely exhausted and he's on the, it's that one. Yeah, he can't lift it. He can't lift the trophy.
Anyone touches him. He's in so much pain and you know, I think an RM did such a,
I thought they did such a good job because they had the film playing in the background.
We then had a terrific dinner and I did that really. I was exhausted and somebody said,
oh, come up to the eighth floor for a quick drink. Well, I don't think those guys do quick
drinks, do they? There was sort of, you know, Dom Perignon taps. I think I rolled home at two
o'clock in the morning, but honestly, it was one of the best evenings of my life. I mean,
I touched its wheels. I sat on its front wheel and I just became a little 12 year old fan boy,
is what happened. I didn't realise it was a V12. It's honestly, it's the last V12 that
ever won a world championship. V12 manual. V12 manual. Yeah. I mean, and it's, it's really
beautiful. 540 kilos, right? Towards the end of the season, it was developing 720 horsepower,
so it had a higher power to weight ratio than a modern Formula One car, no electronics,
very simple aero by comparison. I mean, it's a bloke's car that one. Yeah, he is.
Go and watch some stuff on YouTube. It sounds angry that car.
Is that the car that, there's that famous interview, isn't there, with Mr. Honda
about that time? It might have been that car where he's interviewed by somebody in a very earnest
fashion to say, it's amazing, the tradition of Honda and horsepower and from the 60s and where
you are now, you've developed this extraordinary engine. What is the secret of your amazing engine?
And Mr. Honda sort of pauses for a minute and then sort of leans into the microphone and says,
horsepower.
I just love that.
Love it.
Neil Clifford. I've done it. Oh, you have, you've done it under writing. So I was,
you know, I'm going to list what I've done this week. I'm not going to expand on it because I can't
really. So I was at the event with Manish, which was humbling to say the least. We're quite good
at wrapping off each other. When the covers came off, we just stood there, went, don't need to
talk about this really, we'll just all stand and look at it. There was silence in the room. It's
an object of some presence and beauty. When the covers came off, we just stood there and went,
jibber, jibber, jibber, jibber. Manish was eloquent as ever. But for me, it was just noise. I'm afraid
Manish, you told stories that were on point, were relevant and people didn't know, but I was just
looking at this object of thinking. A human being made that, or several human beings, that's
remarkable. If an alien species arrived and I was asked to present to them an object that
demonstrated how clever we were as a species, I might give them that. It's just real presence,
so simple as well, just a simple shape designed to penetrate the air and go around the track as
fast as possible. The steering wheel had five buttons on it, red, yellow, green,
blue, and then there was a little speaker button, that was it. That was the steering wheel.
I had to leave early and then I had to get to Spain. In the space of, I think, 14 hours,
I stood next to Cedars Brazil winning McLaren MP4-6, then sitting in the driver's seat of
McLaren's chassis number 28 McLaren Longtail F1 GTR. I've had a bit of a McLaren week,
so all of you are working. Thank you very much for making these cars because you do have a legacy
that sometimes lives in the shadows of that particular Italian manufacturer, but we must
never forget that McLaren is our Ferrari. We don't spend enough time celebrating them, I think.
Absolutely remarkable vehicles. I've driven a bullied, Bugatti bullied videos to come,
opinions to come. I nearly broke my neck it so fast. An LMP2 car, a Carrera GT, a GT1
category Porsche from the late 90s that I never knew existed. I've had one of those weeks that I
can't really get my head around, so thank you to Clousen who invited me to drive these cars.
Lots of videos coming. It's just been absolutely remarkable, but the F1 GTR, the noise that car
makes is very, very difficult to explain. Very difficult to explain, I have to say, just magnificent.
Great colours on that car as well. Talking of McLaren, it's interesting, isn't it,
how the thread of McLaren has become so much more vibrant, particularly given their current
success. On Saturday at Goodwood, I bumped into, again, the lovely Piers, who is the chief operating
officer of McLaren Racing, is a lovely chap. He's got a historic Mini as well. He's an engineer,
that man. He's got a 366 Mini, and he was racing as well. He had great fun. He's a lovely chap,
so he runs the factory. He makes the whole organisation work, including trying to win this
year, constructors which they've done, well done, the drivers, and run everything to make sure they
got a car that works next year. Then in the middle of the season, between two Grand Prix weekend,
he said, oh, go down to Goodwood. I mean, there's just amazing people, so it was lovely. Well done,
Piers, for getting your car out and going very, very well. It was great to see.
We were down at the Ascari circuit, which I first went to four or five, I think.
I have to say, there's something about being in a sunny climate in early November, in racing cars,
or nice road cars, that makes you think, I could do some sun in my life. I think we're better with
a bit of vitamin D. I do. Yeah. It was a sensational few days. I also drove my intergarly back from
GP classic customers who did that incredible interior. I mean, what a machine that is. Videos
to come on that. Why have I not had a proper intergarly before now? That car is sensational.
Getting the old agenda up here. Four car London Muse garage.
Where to begin? I'm going to go to Manish here because he's our most metropolitan member,
so he'll understand the requirements of the four car London Muse garage.
I read this. I thought this was just one of the most beautiful topics. I think we've had
in a very, very long time. London Muse is a magical thing. It's something you stumble upon.
You don't know about these. You think you've lived in this area. You think you know where the
sweet shop is and where your waitrose is, and you take a corner one day and you get this,
a muse there, and then you look down and there's just a vista of closed garages. Occasionally,
the odd plant's standing outside. You wonder what is behind those doors. People have a drawing room
and a garage at the same level. That's what a London Muse is. Whenever I see one, and they're
possibly narrow, and I think these things start to define what could possibly live
behind those doors. The other thing about London Muse is that many of them are actually workshops.
There are people in there with fixing cars or cleaning cars or storing cars or rebuilding cars.
I think that when I look, there are a couple of muses around the corner from where I live.
When I look down them, I never imagine a new car. I can't possibly imagine a new car. It's an old
car. I think there's something about the scale of it which probably says it can't be too big a car.
Now, I might be partially wrong because even the old Bentley's, that there were some in these great
muses, but I think they're small. I think they're period. I think they don't have to be cue cars,
but I think there's something about London Muse cars. I don't think they're necessarily that showy.
I just think the very act of opening the garage and just seeing these headlights. That's the other
thing about London Muse. You have to be able to reverse park. London Muse cars do not work
forward parking. I don't think I could own a London Muse because I really find reversing very
difficult. I just wasn't born that far. We can teach you. I would love that. I'd like a day of
doing this. Here are my four. Firstly, they have to be British. I don't think they do have to be
British, but they have to be cool. They have to be completely cool. You're basically Batman, aren't
you? You just go into your London Muse in your suit. When you come out, you're in a car with
your driving gloves and your leather hat and your goggles. These are my four. It's got to be an
early, 64, 63, 64 Lotus Elan in mustard yellow. It has to be small and light and
pop up headlights, the whole thing. I think you have to have a Mini Cooper. I just think you
have to. In period Mini Cooper. Then there's something that I'm a bit in love with. It's not
British, but I would have an R107 450 SL, deep green, black leather, pointing forwards.
My last one, I think you do have to go Italian. I think it has to be an Alfa Romeo Giulia
with some extra little fog lamps on the front in red, say 69 facing forwards. That is my London
Muse. Something for everything. This just makes me want a London Muse property, because actually,
the way you describe that, so beautifully managed, they were properties made for car
nerds, weren't they? They were made for us. They should be our dream properties.
It's the property within which the car is given equal status to the human being.
Which is odd, really, given they're all in London. I know, mad. Okay, so let's go to Chris Cooper.
Well, I've got five, obviously. The outlier. I just think you'd have an i3 BMW.
Good shout. I think you'd have an i3 BMW. So that's kind of like, you know, that probably
wouldn't be in the Muse. That's one part outside the Muse. Basically, yeah, exactly.
Because it's small. It's not. Manages absolutely hit on the theme here. There's something about
footprint. So obviously, most of my cars don't fit that criteria. Some of them do.
I think you'd have. I think I'd have. It becomes quite personalist, doesn't it?
And you sort of get a bit nostalgic about the cars when we first grew up. I mean,
I grew up as a rural simpleton. I still am a rural simpleton before you all chime in.
So the idea of London when I was growing up was very, very,
in the days before the M25, or indeed, colour television,
trips to London were really, really exciting. My family then, we lived in the little village
called, I've mentioned this before, Pluckley in Kent. And we'd quite often drive England's most
haunted village. Still, people, I was in Pluckley earlier this year, and people still talked about
the ghosts, seven official ghosts. So trips to London were really exciting. And we quite often
drive up in my mum's Fiat 126, my dad and my brother and I, in this Fiat 126. And we'd be driving
to Heathrow Airport all the way through London to Plainspot, basically. Fiat 126. We had a Fiat
126, it should have been late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. Fiat 126. Red one. To Heathrow, to Heathrow,
to go Plainspotting. That's pre-M25. Oh yeah, absolutely pre-M25, yeah. So you drive all
through London, and you'd get through to sort of towards, and we'd see, you see glimpses of these
streets, the cobbled streets, that lovely sort of sweep as the cobbles sort of went and thinking.
One of those? Yes. Yeah. Wow. I put that in a ditch in a snowy day once, because I realised that
you could overcome understeer by doing a clutch dip. But I hadn't realised quite what a brutal
dynamic effect a clutch dip would be in a rear wheel drive, rear engine, rear wheel drive car
with a swing axle. The dynamic effect is instant. So it luckily didn't go on its roof,
but it did end up in a ditch. We had to get it. Anyway, that's the story of another time.
So the first car I'd have, I'd have a Kingsley Carr's modified Range Rover Classic.
Two door. I think two door. Okay. I think two door. The Suffolk car.
So there's a picture, there's a clip that Chris, you shared with us a few weeks ago.
I just think there, I drive up that road past Whitney, and I must, I must pop in and go and
have a look at it. I can't afford them, but I just think they'd be lovely. Honestly,
they're, you know, I love that stuff, but they are geniuses. These are so desirable. Carry on, Chris,
sorry. Yeah. There has to be one of these. I'd have a K7. Of course. I just think on a Sunday morning,
in period, you could just go, if you're going to have a K7, have a silly one. So I'd have an
R500 Evo, the K series engine car with 230 horsepower. Chris, I can see you being Patrick
McGuinn from the prisoner in that. Come out of your news house in a suit, you drive down white,
just cool. That's just cool. I'm a free man. On a Sunday morning. They're always 30 grand. There's
starting, they're getting harder to find now. I must ask Andy Noble, who used to be the sales
marketing. He runs that wonderful place, Sevens and Classics, in the Paddock brand's hatch.
I must do, otherwise I'll never do it. I would have a non, there's got to be something
just extraordinary. And I think it would be a 458 or Perta. Because it's still that slightly
smaller footprint. It's the last Luka car. We could do a premiere of your film, Manage,
every week. And I think we'd enjoy it more. Last night, because it's about the third one,
I think you fourth, the third one you guys don't. Neil and I have done. And the idea was we'd go
and those guys, we all introduced it, we thought we're going to have a bite to eat. So we stood at
the side of the cinema, the auditorium, which is lovely, every man in Bristol, just at the steps
at the side. And we just, we just stood there, watching it. And it's like, oh, shit, we're
supposed to get something to eat. I mean, like watch the third of the film. So we had a very,
very quick, lovely meal in the restaurant across the road. 458 or Perta just feels more and more
right. The last one, that Bentley event that I very fortunate was invited to at the Duke of
London the other, the other month, last month was Joe and the juice. Bentley brought along some of
their recent heritage cards. And they had the very last as your tea. I just dribbled at that.
What color? What color was that? That's really embarrassing. I think it was silver.
Silver with a red roof, I think it was. So those are the four stroke five, I would have.
They're lovely. I could just, can we just do this question every week? I really like this one.
I'm going full on, full on fucking billionaire strategy here. I'm not messing about with his
69 alphas for 25 grand. See, I thought about that. Let's hear yours. This is an interesting theory.
Yes. This is basically the ticking clock in my body, this question. This has been a question
for me, obviously not muse and all that, but what would you do scenarios with budgets scenarios of
cars from age five? Forget counting fucking sheep to get to sleep. This is what I do.
And in 1975, what would have been seven or eight? And you've got the torch under your duvet with
top trumps and you're pretending you're in bed or sleep. It was, I don't know, 50,000 pounds.
What would you do? So I'm really well versed at this shit. I could do one every single week.
I'm lucky enough to know a few people that sort of live this life. And it's a really,
really good life having a muse house in London with four cars with an electric lift that goes down
to a basement. We should all work harder because it's fucking really cool. So what would I do?
I would have, you've got to have one pretty car. I think Manish is right about the vintage thing,
although I'm not doing all vintage. You've got to have one of those cars that is loved by men and
women. And they often, that's a bit rarer than you think that because you know, men can go, oh my
God, look, he's got a LaFerrari. And I think often women who are more discerning and more sort of
better at judging human beings, he's a bit of a tosser with the LaFerrari. So I think you've
got to be really careful. The cars that win that, for me, 356, Priet, Speedster,
just the most gorgeous little Swiss watch car, not a bad angle in it. Super chic. You know,
you've got the whole sort of Steve McQueen thing going on there, or 300 SL Roadster with hardtop.
You could go Goldwing, but frankly, Goldwings, A, you probably can't lift the doors up in the
bloody muse. But also, unless it's 18 degrees, you're too hot in the bloody thing and it's a pain
in the ass. So you go Goldwing with non matching color hardtop. So it's a gunmetal Roadster with
hardtop, green leather. Then you've got to have a Ferrari.
F40. It's such an hour debate with Ferrari, right? But I was going to go LaF, but my fourth car will
mean I don't need a LaF. So I'm going F40 because it's just as iconic as they come,
lifting up an electric door on a little spring morning, just as sunrise coming up,
and there's a LaF. There's a F40 there. You probably can't beat that. You've got to have
a McLaren F1. If you're worth a couple of billion quid, you're just an embarrassment if you haven't
got a McLaren F1. Clearly. There's a dude that's got seven of these. It lives in that world. So
one's enough for me, one's enough, probably chic silver, not the race car. You just have the
road car, whatever it's called, the GTR, whatever. Or maybe it's not called a GTR. Maybe that's the
race car. I'm never sure. It's F1. Yeah, F1. And then as Chris Cooper said, you've got to have
five because you've got a Range Rover outside to get you down to your house on the countryside.
I would, I can't even decide this one. Am I doing a 959S with one mirror?
Right. Red, white wheels. Am I doing Singer DLS?
But I'm not, not actually. I'm doing 918. I'm doing because the electric, driving out of a
muse in electric mode, in a 918, you've found a PTS one in Germany. It's Brewster with chocolate,
or it's, you know, non-metallics, whatever that Sea Island bloody blue is, or whatever,
with red leather. You've found a very, very unique 918 and the electricness of 918.
And then as you get up onto the Edgeware Road, you turn on the engine and off you go up to
Bista for a coffee or something. So this is my forget books. This is my dreaming, this stuff.
I could, I just do this every single day of my life still.
Yeah, I agree. There's so much within this. So I want to be disciplined and keep the four cars.
And already I'm there going right. One of these cars got to double up. It's got to do two things.
So if you, if you, if you actually were living like this, you might have to end up having two new
cars, which you don't want to do because you need one car to drive around town in,
and you need one car to strike out when you leave town. And having the, having the same vehicle do
that would be difficult because to take Chris Cooper's example, the I, I believe a BMW i3 would
be brilliant, but I don't want to drive that out to my place in the Cotswolds. So do you have to,
do you have a storage unit somewhere near Heathrow when you get out of town and the moment you've
got out the M25 around there, you could stop, dump that little thing and go, well that was fine,
but I don't want to drive all the way to the Cotswolds. No, you're not going to do that.
No. So you've got to have one car does both. And I already own it. It's an Alpina D3.
And it's small enough to park in the Muse. It's Euro six compliant, ULES compliant.
And it's, it'll be nice round town. It looks good, but also when you have to get out beyond the M25,
it's doing 45 to the gallon. It's fast. So Alpina D3. Then, then you'll just,
we all have a different version of how we imagine ourselves in the Muse property.
But this, I just cannot extinguish images of Peter Sellers in my, I just see Peter Sellers
on a Sunday morning, opening the doors, driving out. And I see cobblestones and I see
white doors that creak a bit and a bit of paint flecks sort of flecks off them when they, when
they open. I love the imagery. I love, manage the description of, you don't know that they
stumble across these places. It's, he's quite right. So it's going to be more old than you.
I would say Alpina D3. I'm going to go and duplicate Chris Cooper. I think a Kateram
is perfect. These, they're narrow little places. These, they're not easy to drive cars in. And if
you want to maneuver a car anywhere near it, you're not going to. So Kateram, absolutely.
I want something, I want something British. I want to celebrate
British sports cars. And I think that a Kateram. And I wouldn't go for an R500 because they're
a bit of a nightmare in traffic. And they bloody, they, I had an R500 EVO once, which I own, and
they used to overheat a bit. So I'd actually just go for what we call the original Superlight R with
the six-speed gearbox. It was the sort of hottest K on the scene. Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant.
You need one. Yeah. And also, you know, the weight begins with a four if you get those right.
They're just stunning. I need, I need to feed that cliche door opening sellers moment.
I'm going to go Gordon Keeble, I think. Just love the idea of, you know, it's difficult. You don't
want to look like the person that's thought about what cars are having your muse garage,
you know, even though you've spent four months doing it, you mustn't look like you've overthought
it. So for me, I think Gordon Keeble would be, would be perfection. Made in, made in Eastley.
Yeah. And the last, the last one isn't a car. It's a, a Priya Tuono, because again, spaces are
premium and the motorcycle is the way forward around town. I don't want a sports bike because
I don't want to be, I'm too old and fat to have my wrist, wrist getting knackered by a full-on
sports bike. But the Tuono is just, I think you get a factory with the fancy bits on it.
It is the greatest road bike for me. So I just have a Tuono, which I'd probably spend 90% of the
time using over the cars. But do you know what? If I want the lottery, I would, that's, I don't
like, people don't know me now. I don't like property. We have no interest in it whatsoever.
But I would love to live in one of those places. I just, the idea of walking without going up or
downstairs in London to go to your car, it's the property that prioritizes the motor car.
It's, they just made for us, aren't they? Yeah. Do you think we could find a street, a muse,
that's got four houses with four car garages in it? I'll stop, I'll stop you there.
One of us would murder someone else at some point. We need some distance. But yes, I do,
I understand the concept. Yeah. We could then share our toys. I'm thinking 16 cars. That's a pool,
isn't it? Yeah, it is a pool. Okay. Here's a question for you very quickly. You have that scenario,
that living scenario. You have to choose one car from your, your, your fellow podcast's lists
to use. Manage which one are you having? Not one of yours.
I'll take that four, five, eight, a pair of that.
And Neil Clifford.
Fuck. I just like mine.
No, that's not the question. They're my toys. They're just my choice. Caterham. Yeah. Super
McLean F1. Drive back. I'm taking your chili super because that is,
that's, that's Peter Sellers. I'd imagine I was driving around to see Spike Milligan to say
wibble at each other for 10 minutes and then leave. I, I love all that. Okay.
We should do this once a month. That was never ending.
I'm going to skip the next thing on the agenda and move to one on because I think
we're going to run out of time. So I'm going to go straight to sat nav.
How did we survive before it? It's a brilliant question. It's a brilliant question because
yes, two days ago I was leading Bristol and I, I realized five minutes into slightly
calamitous journey that everyone that I was following was doing the same thing as me.
We were all following our phones. I was driving through a city that I know like the back of my
hand because it was easy and I just put a destination in. I was like a sheep being led.
And we were all doing that. There were 10 cars doing the same random thing.
To observe, it must be quite odd to see. I'm going to go to Chris Cooper here.
Well, this is all about Sputnik really, isn't it?
And the origins of the global positioning system GPS.
When Sputnik first, 1957, some American scientists worked out that using the Doppler effect,
we want the Doppler effect is, you know, when a police car goes past and the tone changes
is because the sound waves compress or expand. Not the modern urban phenomena of whoop whoop,
it's the sound of the police. No, that's a different effect. That's just me being down with it.
So they worked out that you could work out from a satellite where it was. In the 60s and 70s,
there were radio navigation systems used, mainly for maritime and some aviation positioning.
I used to do lots of yacht racing in the 80s. And in Europe, there's a system called DECA,
which was you could take positions from fixed radio stations as a U.S. system,
where it's all called Loran. They were a bit limited in range, got too far from the coast,
blah, blah, blah. And when the Cold War became sort of hotter and intercontinental missiles
started becoming popular. Talking about sat nav. I'm talking about sat nav. This is Chris Cooper
explain sat nav. I love it. I fucking love you. So they decided that they had to have a more,
because there were inertial navigation systems. Aviation, long distance aviation used a gyro.
Gyro is the same principle as a motorcycle wheel going, you know, when motorcycles are going
very, very fast, that's why the ride standard, because the effect, the dynamic effect of a
wheel rotating very, very fast creates massive stability. So when you put that in an aircraft,
as the aircraft moves physically, it creates a pressure against the gyro. So if you measure
those movements, you can work out where you've been going. It's a sophisticated form of what's
called dead reckoning. Dead reckoning was the film, the Mission Impossible film. Dead reckoning,
which I used to use when I was sailing across oceans is, if you know where you're pointing
and how fast you've gone and how long, you can literally point pops on a map from the
one side of Atlantic to the other and roughly end up where you think you're going to get to. And
GPS was much more important than we wanted to find missiles at Moscow. So the US basically
developed it, but they realized that it had a significant strategic effect. So they put a code
on it. It was basically selective availability. So they desensitized the accuracy of GPS until
about the 90s. And in fact, the event that changed all this, you remember then the 80s and the
horrible height of the Cold War, and there's a lot of tension all around the world, very, very
tragically, a Korean Airlines jumbo was shot down in Asia because the airliner had got lost.
It had probably been using dead reckoning or a bit of inertial navigation, blah, blah, blah.
Didn't get lost. They said in the investigation that one of the big things about Korean airline
was to use as little fuel as possible. And they said that the captain had plotted a route to try
to just, you know, they were always, it was a big badge of honor. So the captain plotted a route,
which was actually just a little bit too close to somewhere he shouldn't have been. That's why it
got shot down. Okay. So when that happened, there was a fuss about its precise location.
So Ronald Reagan, as president said, we're going to make GPS more commonly available. We're going
to eliminate. So from civilian use going from like 200 meters accuracy, it went to like a meter
actually, that opened the door to commercially consumer available satellite accurate GPS satnav
cars was born. And I don't, I honestly don't know how we cope before we had maps. We knew
there's a map. You had it in your hand. And North was at the top of the map. I've now started using
carplay. I joined the human race. And one of the things about carplay that I do still find slightly,
I hate myself for it. I let the map orientate to the direction of travel. So you don't know
where North is. And I do think we've lost something in the ability of people and our sense of
responsibility and ownership of our own fortunes. That's a big statement for a little piece of
technology on your iPhone, but not knowing in a car where North is. I remember asking, I was
meeting somebody in London years ago, and they were driving down the A4. And I wasn't quite sure
which way they were going. So I said, on the map in your little screen in your car, which way are
you going across the screen? Are you going from left to right? Are you going east? Or are you
going right to left? Are you going west? I said, no, I'm just going from the bottom to the top.
And I thought, no, I know somebody who's orientated their map. So it's not facing North. They're dead
to me.
Can you imagine sitting down at a business meeting and saying, which way is North, please?
North is always up top of that. So I'm torn on this because for lots of good reasons,
sat nav has improved the world. And yesterday I had to go, I drove from here in the office up to
Banbury. And then I had to drive somewhere between there and Swindon. And I went to Swindon to try
and see Matthew Booty wasn't there. And then I drove from there to Bristol. I had to navigate
all three Bristol to cut things in Bristol. And I had carplay on and it was brilliant.
It was really, really good. But I still hate myself that there's now no longer an AA road
atlas 2007 or whatever it is, stuffed behind the seat or between the seat in the center console.
And those times when we were younger and, you know, we were, I'm going to use a word that my
parents would have used, courting, the young needed. And you were trying to find a cottage
in the middle of nowhere in Devon or on Xmore or something. And it was dark and you just had a map.
And it was fun getting lost and finding a junction and thinking about that. And I don't
think we've lost a little bit of magic, but you probably would find the cottage on Xmore now
rather more quickly. And I was going to say, get the fire stoked, but that sounds like a
dooble on tonder. At which point I'll hand over to somebody else. That was wonderful, Mr Cooper.
I fell on recording that you can go do that the other bit of French under the title I digress.
So Neil Clifford, how do we live without it?
Oh, I've got such a rotic horror here because it's so bloody useful, isn't it? But I so hate it.
It's like a really, it's really tricky because I try sometimes, it's an addiction.
Forget sugar or coffee or alcohol or cocaine. I mean, sat nav. No, but it's almost up there,
isn't it? Because you just you, you know, I leave, I leave home before anyone else.
And there's no traffic on the road. I know exactly the way I have to go. But I put the sat nav on.
I wouldn't, I would, I would feel a bit nervous if I didn't. And I think that
it's true. It's a bit like, I don't know, the addiction of social media or the addiction of
many things. I think it's created by the sat nav companies or the phone companies, I'm sure,
as an addiction. It gives you an anxiety if you don't use it. And every single, every single day,
I put, you know, Salvino, and, and it's, you know, I leave at 522. And I get there at 610.
And it's exactly the fucking same every day. But I put the sat nav down. And I sometimes
force myself not to do it. And I'm, I'm a little bit anxious of what if the M 25 is closed,
the one in 100 time where I haven't used the sat nav and the M 20 and I'm trapped.
So it is a safety net, but I'm, I'm, I'm annoyed by it as well. I try to out, out do it. I try to
cheat it sometimes. I tried to test particularly ways. When I deliberately know there's another
route, and it will turn me to join the M 25 from the A 41 and go around to Johnson six and down
the M one. And I'm like, you bastard, I bet you're lying to me. I want to go through Watford.
I want to go down to junction five. And I'm going to look at the time. And it says, it sometimes
says from 622 to Salvino, it changes to 618. And I'm like, you bastard, you were lying to me.
Someone is deliberately taking me the wrong way, because for whatever reason, to use more fuel,
is it funded by the petrol companies secretly, so they can make more money? Or is there some
advertising they want to drive me? I get all these sort of
bad thoughts about maybe sat nav is controlling us. So it's a big, it's a big thing in my head,
this. But of course, if you are finding the Cornwall Cottage, or last night when the bloody
A 361 was closed, and I was so dead, I drank two cans of Red Bull, and I still ran out of
puff. I had to get my wife to drive the last hour, bless her. And frankly, she should be in the RAC
rally. She's bloody much better driver than I am. We had to go right across X more, we would have
been a bit fucked without. So it's a really, really tricky one. But I think there is some sort
of, it's slightly sinister. And we should try to, once a week, don't use sat nav. But maybe,
if everyone didn't use sat nav, maybe the rows would be a little bit less clogged up, as opposed
to every fucker going the same way. I do think that that is you've hit on something that I've
just realized I do as well. I know where I'm going, but I want to know that it's okay. And what the
ETA is, you play the games to say, can I get the ETA down a bit? Up a bit? If I go that way?
Oh, I love that game. It's actually something to do in the car, isn't it? Because you've run out,
sometimes if they want to listen to music, sometimes on board with the fucking miserable news on
Radio 4. I just play with myself. That's probably not what we want to say. I play with my sat nav.
I play with the little time thing, which, of course, you have to keep within the speed limit.
But it says 6.22, and I arrived at 6.19. I won. I like that little game.
Manish.
I have no sense of direction. I mean, I literally have no sense of direction. And it's just,
it's not been correctable. I can live somewhere for years, go away for six months, come back,
and cannot find any roads that I used to have. I remember actually, when I was at university,
if we went out of college, I had this friend, he's now an eye surgeon, and we used to go to
lectures every morning together. The first four weeks, you came out of college, and we just
turn left and you end up at the medical faculty. The first time I didn't go to lectures with Rick,
I turned right and ended up in the economics faculty.
There's no call for that.
It took me, the thing is, I almost had to walk into an economics lecture to realise how wrong
I got it. Like no dead bodies, no pictures of livers, you know, just graphs everywhere and a
bunch of proto bankers, as far as I could see. Anyway, the point is, I could not drive before
the sat-nav. It was just, it was actually quite, you'd go on the road, the amount of OCD, road
sign checking disorder. What I would do is, you'd have to get your A to Z out before you went.
I'd work out pretty much where I was going and then write. I would literally write down
the road and blue-tack it to the to the dashboard. You'd go, you must take a left there. Someone I
knew actually used to record the directions on a TDK SA-90 tape. Go down there and try to almost
time it. Go for one minute. Play it. Yeah, they'd play it. Brilliant. You used to be able to go to
the AA if you're doing a long journey. They'd print you out the directions. Do you remember
that? There was a man that would do it for you. They still sort of have it on their website. They
still have the automatic version of that, the root finder. We can print it out like paste notes.
Manish, you've just come up with the most important piece of consumer advice I think
we've ever provided on this podcast. You sat-nav, otherwise you too might end up in an economics
lecture. The thing about modern sat-nav, as you say, it is very compelling. You can go on a journey
that you know forwards and backwards, but you feel compelled to put it in there. You are looking at
it, whether you like it or not. That's the other thing it does. You're looking at it. When I picked
up Lola, they were shocked to see because she had such a deep dashboard. The one thing I bought
was an iPhone holder on a very, very long arm. It's a one foot arm. Sticks to the dashboard
comes out. My iPhone sits in there and I had to have an extra USB built in it so that the phone
wouldn't run out of power when I'm using it as a sat-nav. I would put in fact petrol and sat-nav,
but perhaps not even in that order in terms of importance of driving. I mean, it's just so
scary. If you'd asked me, honestly, to frankly find the every man at Bristol yesterday without a
sat-nav, it's an impossibility. It's very true, but it's an addiction and we need to try and shake
it off when we know where we're going. That's a really good question. The worst thing is you're
driving and you do know a route and you've got your sat-nav and it says, suggested route 1.4
seconds faster if you turn left here. Last night, I was going into Bristol and it said,
oh, there's ways, I think. Oh, a new route that will save you seven minutes so you click on it
and the fucking time doesn't change. It's tricking you. Yeah. Lying. Lying. Yes, it's lying.
Rage against the machine. You three have completed this task so well. I don't have much to add
I agree with all of your points and it feeds my sense of worry, concern. I suppose the sat-nav to
journeys and I use the word journey in a really positive sense because it's every journey is an
adventure, really. It has done to journeys what the microwave did to cooking in the 80s, really.
It's made us all be ashamed of our addiction to convenience and that you wish you were a person
that wasn't seduced by such convenience and that you could resist it but the fact is it's difficult
to resist something that's really quite useful. Sat-nav, when it first was launched, all test
cars that had sat-nav, I didn't use it because it was always shit. It never quite worked,
it frustrated you. They were trying to sell it and up-push it in their markets because it would
make you so much money for them but it was rubbish. It was only really when you had this
universal standard of Apple CarPlay that I think it became good. Before, I mean, do you remember
the Tom Tom? How good the Tom Tom was? I like a Tom Tom. They were really, really good Tom Tom's
and I think you used it as a tricky one. It was an option the Tom Tom though, wasn't it?
Shall we use the Tom Tom? Because it wasn't an everyday, every single fucking journey,
even if it's three miles, you put it into ways. It's too much. We should go back to Tom Tom.
I think you're right. When you realise you are in a sat-nav-induced chain of lemmings and you're
one of the lemmings zigzagging through a town with no logic whatsoever, you just think, oh my
god, what's next? Are they going to put a chip in my head and I'm going to march around? At that
point, I feel ashamed really. It saved my bacon so many times. It's a brilliant piece of technology.
How did we survive before it was original? It's funny how you realise how shit it was though,
Chris. You get an evently continental GT now from 2004 and you say, oh, it's got a button called
map. I'll have a look at that. Literally, it's like MS-DOS. It's like there's a shift in three.
And of course, you put in a postcode. I can remember early days, you'd put in your postcode.
If you're a Bristol, it would take BS. That was it. You were lucky if you got a number after
it. Well, this is bloody pointless. Then you'd try and put a pin in and then you'd follow that
pin and realise it had decided to put your pin four miles away from where you'd put your,
I mean, it was, it was shite. I remember the first one I drove was an imported Prius that
Toyota had in the UK, mid to late 90s. And it was just, it was woeful. It really was. So I think
it's a really interesting one. So how do we live before it? Answer, quite happily. Really?
Quite happily. I can put to one side all of the lovely stuff about using it to make journeys
fun, trying to beat your destination time, beat the computer, all that. I get that.
Anything that makes boring journeys more enjoyable for me is a great thing. And sat and I've come
under that heading. I also think, there you go, the idea, Chris Cooper's holding a picture saying
of a map book. Of course, we'd love a map book, but that's another discussion, the map book.
This is how did we, how did we survive before? We did perfectly well. We did perfectly well.
You used to learn where you were going. You see, you paid attention. And if you didn't,
you took a map book with you. Yeah. Or you asked people, you got close. I just relied on human
beings. I'd get, I'd strike, strike out, get there really close. I'll ask someone.
Okay, I'm just, just one tiny point before we move on. There's a slightly serious point to this,
too. Not quite answering the question, but the, the idea of a sat nav, sat navs have been known
to navigate things, especially heavy goods vehicles and to completely inappropriate roads.
They've also been known to navigate people the wrong way on motorways. It's supposed to be one
of the biggest reasons why people, yes, they follow the sat nav, suddenly find themselves on an exit
road, especially at a bad time, entering an exit. I'm sorry. That's a human fuck up base.
Quite possibly, but it, you know, it is supposed to be one of the biggest, you know,
the HGVs don't really go down the, you know, little tiny six foot roads, except when
someone's driving from, I guess, Poland to wherever, and the sat nav's telling them,
take this route, take this route, take this route, suddenly they're stuck. So, you know,
they do have their, I think we should have in the comments, people's funniest sat nav fuck ups.
Fuck ups. Good one. Yes. You know, I definitely would never admit to the fact that I got a long way
once going to Nuremberg rather than a race circuit in the north of the country. I was going for
Moscow and I just put, I just typed in NUR, I think it's heading to Nürburgring and I got very
close to Nuremberg before I realized that I wasn't going the right way. So, I, it's a necessary evil,
but it is, but we did live without it really well. Like we did mobile telephones, you know,
you'd arrange to meet someone a few days in advance and learn, but hold you both be there.
Chris, did you get a mobile telephone? Right, here we go. Best motoring cliche.
EG doors like a bank vault. Now, because of my profession, I'm more,
what would I say? I'm more sensitive to these because they used to get pulled out of your copy.
So, and what would happen was the category itself become very broad. So, what was considered to
be a cliche? I thought it was unfair at times. Someone said, well, that's just a bit of a cliche.
I think, well, I've only ever read that once in a car magazine, but maybe because it wasn't
entirely original, you were accused of falling into cliche and it became quite difficult to
navigate. So, I'm fascinated to know what you lot think are these cliches and what the best ones
are. I'm going to go first with Manish. Well, I'm going to take a little formula one spin on this,
okay? And I think there's just one human being who just spoke for his entire 15 years in Formula
One in cliches, and that was our nige. And I've got a little list of some of the things.
He could not use any sentence without putting for sure in it, for sure I was trying, for sure
we're doing the best job we can. His other one was I was giving it 110% from the go.
That was he said that every race 110% effort. His other one that I absolutely love is
what the public don't understand. I love that when anything wrote down. What the public don't
understand. The other thing he did a little variation on this. He used to say, my public,
my public, I love that every sentence. And then the best one, the best one, when he was beaten,
he would explain what advantage they had, whatever it was, the Honda engine, the this and that,
say, but I'm not taking anything away from them. Genius, just a genius.
Sorry about my discipline there. You might notice I've dusted off three times. My laptop,
I wasn't charging and I couldn't work out why. I just worked out that it wasn't plugged in, sorry,
because I got down to 2%. I really was running the gauntlet, but I now feel quite relieved
that we plugged in again. I love a podcast where somebody can give you the origins of GPS down
to literally talking about an aircraft disaster and just sitting next to him on my screens,
a guy who can't plug a computer in. I like podcasts. We're certainly different. We cover all
bases. So let's go to Neil Clifford. I think, was it Chris Cooper that suggested this, but Neil
Clifford, what are your favorite motoring cliches? Well, I've got a lot of them. I know we haven't
got a lot of time in it, but my favorite, I'll jump straight to the end, is it makes you want
to take the long way home. You know, when you read that, whether it's you, actually, or Richard
Meadon, or any of you amazing guys that I've spent many, many years reading, it makes you want to
take the long way home. And I think that was always a sort of, oh, well, that's got to be a
fantastic car. The rifle bolt gear shift. It's true. It's fucking, that was really overused,
that anything to do with the Japanese car in the 1980s or 1990s, the rifle bolt gear change.
Ford Puma. Ford Puma was a problem in the office. Ford Puma. I'll give you one more. Let me, I've
got the driver focused cockpit.
BMW. I'll tell you why the cliché is one of the most abused things on the planet, because more
often than not, the cliché has emerged because it is the best way to describe something.
Exactly. So they're totally worthwhile. And the answer to anyone that's been accused of falling
into clichés, say, well, you find a better way of describing that, a more efficient way of describing
that. So they were always quite worthy phrases. I mean, the ones that I used to hate where Niels
hit their nail on head as usual, was to describe certain parts of the interior of a car was really
difficult, because you'd brush over them, you'd have the five page road test and also you had
three page road test was the small one. The biggie was the five page road test reserved for the big
guns. But you told describing the way that buttons are dispersed around a dashboard.
And without saying, well, everything falls easily to hand. And as you write it, you realize if you
submit that copy, you'll probably get sacked. I mean, that falls easily down, I think was the
ultimate sin. But I can remember sitting in a car thinking, ultimately, everything does sort of
fall easily to hand in here. So let me find another way of describing that. So what you would find,
and maybe this is the most pernicious side of the cliché is that to avoid falling into cliché,
people would write even more bobbins because they weren't trying to describe something. They were
thinking my primary, my primary aim here is to not be accused of cliché. So they'd come up with
even more ridiculous phrases. And you really think what you've done there is tried not to write,
falls easily to hand, and you've written something even more ridiculous. So it was a bloody
minefield, really. So that was replaced by that beautiful word, wasn't it? Intuitive.
It's intuitive. There's an amazing episode of the 12th man, we might discuss that here,
which was the Billy Birmingham spoof cricket commentary tapes from the 80s and 90s. This
guy called Billy Birmingham, it's a bit cricket this, but he could do impressions of all the famous
Australian cricket commentators. And he was, he's brilliant, look him up, he's, so he'd do Richie
Beno, Bill Laurie, Tony Greg, anyhow. These commentators had their stock phrases, which were
clichés. And there's an amazing episode where Bill Laurie and Tony Greg are told you can't
use that phrase in your commentary to come back to what you said about Nigel.
They'd have their stock phrases and every time they're about to say one, they have to try and
you hear their thought process trying to avoid it. Straight off the middle of the bat,
straight off the middle of the bat, Tony Greg's trying to find another way of saying it, but
he can't because it's his phrase. So my response to this is we should celebrate clichés because
more often than not, they're the best way to say something. Chris Cooper. Well, I chose this
because for all the reasons all of you said, because when, when we were little and dad had a
Ford console or a Ford Granada, we didn't know what cars were like. We wanted to believe that
cars were amazing. And right back from William Woolard on top gear. And that's, you know,
the words that he used. And when we read stuff more recently, like, you know, and your stuff,
Chris, and, and Dickie Mead and, and John Barker and Evo. And the truth is they do work.
And you, when you got to the fortunate position of being able to drive a catering seven,
or a Porsche 911, you wanted to know, is that actually how it feels? And, and it was true.
And the doors like about my favorite is doors like a bank vault. Just conveyed.
That was red pen straight through it. And the note would be, don't be so lazy.
But it's true that when I was fortunate enough to be able to not quite afford a 911,
everyone buys a 911 when they can't really afford it. They don't wait until they can afford it.
It happens before that. And it did with me. And I had a 993 C2S. It's a couple of years old.
Tiptonic. And again, tiptonic. No, it was a no.
It had the 17 inch wheels, rather than 18 inch, which I convinced myself was better for ride.
I look back and I think it's a bit under anyway. When you first click that door handle and little
clicker inside the door handle, and that myth of, oh, you've got to lower the glass and the window
to make sure it opens and shuts. Okay. But when you the thunk, when you first shut that door,
or even open it, yes, I've never opened a bank vault door. But that's what they feel like.
I just think it's, I think, so this is sort of a, it's a bit of a thank you
to all of those motoring journalists who did help us. And that's the power of what,
that's why we all loved car magazines. Yes. Because there weren't moving pictures. The
pictures themselves weren't great. I mean, printing wasn't wonderful in those days.
A lot of them were just black and white pictures when we were growing up in magazines.
But the words and that rifle bolt, you know, falls easily to hand, you know, that rifle bolt
is only the second best one. No one said the best one. Yeah. I'm sorry.
There's only one that I know would result, I think, in a letter, a warning letter from
employer straight away. Can I guess? Can I give you one? I was going to say corners on rails.
Corners on rails. Form follows function from a design perspective. Oh, no, that's,
that's all, that's, that would be okay. Actually, you get away with that.
Now I'll give you a clue. It's to describe a particular type of power delivery.
Okay. Paul's like a freight train. No. It's specific to torque. Stump pulling torque was
the absolute no, no. Because I can remember, I once wrote it and a sub editor came over and said,
when was the last time you pulled a tree stump out? I was like, yeah. But hands up,
who was pulled a tree stump with a car? I have. But if you wrote, it was a car when I was there
between 90, whatever it was, 2002, if you wrote, it has stump pulling torque. You, you were just
asking me to build it. This is true. If you've tried pulling a tree stump with a car, you need
literally, literally red card. See you. So yeah, lots of fun there. Okay, right. Let's go back
to our agenda. Right, I'm going to do our two car garage. We're a long way into this, aren't we?
Sorry. You're doing an extended version. Perfect. Two car garage. Stump pulling torque.
Telepathic steering. A lot of it. A lot. The other thing about the cliche is you,
when did something become a cliche? You know, the point of which it does is, is never defined.
But I know that car magazine from as that golden era of car magazine was guilty,
certain of certainly creating what became cliches, because they invented these phrases
that would ever went, that's the best way to describe that copy it. That's what happened.
Okay. I'm sure Ronald Steady Barker wrote stump pulling torque once and everyone thought,
I've never heard it described like that. That's brilliant. Well, six years later,
when every other lazy motorist has nicked it, it becomes a cliche. Yeah. Okay. You're 21 and just
passed your advanced driving test. You adore cars and driving. It's your happy place. You're
especially bored. You adore track day. You've done the Palmer sport driving day three times. You are
always in the top 25% of the track. You might well be the next generation. Chris Harris,
your granddad sadly just passed away last month at the ripe old age of 92. He shared your passion
for cars and race to D type in period after the war and daily the next J. S. Cooper until he died.
He left you all his premium bond savings of 44,000 pounds, but he insists you spend it on just two
cars. They have to be British is the only rule he set you one engaging reliable everyday car.
You less compliant for work trip plus a hard top track day machine for honing your racing
and competitive driving skills. Do your granddad proud the squealing that has come from reading
this one for a particular corner of the podcast because he thought it was too difficult to find
a car that fitted within the criteria has been most amusing. I won't say who that was, but it's
definitely kept me abused. Managed might be pointing at his own face. So let's go to manage
first and see whether he managed to solve the problem. I thought this was really difficult.
There were so many constraints there, not just financial. I think it was with you less. I didn't
like that. Just technically you less means 2006 onwards. It's a tricky thing. And then it's British.
Well, it does depend. Anyway, we've gone on long enough. I'm just going to tell you, okay,
the one that he's going to daily that's going to make his granddad really rather proud.
Now you can get this is there's a beautiful 2003 Jaguar XKR convertible for sale by auction in that
beautiful metallic green. Okay. And I found out that you can you less these things for less than
2000 pounds, you can get a converter, they'll remap your thingy and they'll put a new exhaust on.
So that's what I'm doing. I'm buying that the auction. I'm spending a couple of grand you
leasing it. That's the single cleverest thing we've ever said on the podcast. I did not know
you could do that. You just changed a lot of it was live. You get a new exhaust and they remap
your ECU and you are you less. So don't say we're not important. How do you get that? How do you
get that done on your v five so that when they zap you on the camera, they know that it's not a
2003. It's actually a special clever car. Well, presumably they modify whatever they let them
know I don't know but you are you less you are you less on this kind. I found a couple of people
who do it because I found this very tricky, very clever. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
And we could do it could do just we all know people can remap we know people give you a new
exhaust. That's what you do. And then my my track car it's funny. Mr. Cooper was at a little mini
event. But it's this beautiful 2010. Mini Cooper got a lovely hard top. Yeah, it's good. It's that
WC 50. I think they're about 100. Yeah, no, that's a really good choice. Whatever of them. And I think
you can get that for for the for the right sum of money. And they are my two two cars.
And this two car garage. I don't know what the problem is. She's done a great job.
Thank you. Yeah, that's a great job. Okay, good.
Yeah, I wrote this and I was I was trying to be particularly tricky around the coupé
track car because otherwise we'd all choose a fucking catering wouldn't we? Yes. So, you know,
we're trying to put some a little bit of variety into our hard topped actually number of doors.
I said, I can't remember. You less. The thing about you less, if you buy a car that's pre 73,
it's you less. Yeah. Yes, the other way around. Of course, actually, I'm ignoring the sort of,
you know, 2006 or whatever all that annoying, bloody stuff on the real you less thing. I'm
just going old. If you've got if you've got an old car pre 73, it's you less, you're not paying
anything. So, and because my granddad raised the D type, it's got to be a Jaguar. And, but you do
want something that's a little bit, you know, you want those mark one jaguars or mark two
jaguars, they are fantastic, but they are unreliable, bloody things a little bit or my
experience of them, particularly on the on the electrics. So I'm buying this 1962 is actually
in the auction 1962. Is that a mark two? I think so. Yeah, an old part. Someone has put a 4.2
supercharged rest no mod engine in it. So you've got an old looking chic car that would work very
well in a muse. But also, because it hasn't got those bloody carburetors and the shitty Lucas
electrics that's going to catch fire if you're not bloody careful. I've been down that road.
And then and then really tricky. Again, I'm staying British because obviously he said
British, didn't he? We've got to be British for granddad and the premium bonds. So I'm going mini
actually, you're right. And I think, you know, Mr Cooper on his track day got me very excited.
I'm going mini. There's tons of them on car and classic of which now I can't find any of them in
my photographs. But I found a lovely red semi tracked an original mini is set up for rallying
set up for track. It's a red car. I'll find it when we put when we do the filming. And I think
it's only about 15 grand. So I've got loads of money to buy another car when that Jag blows up
and this gets written off, which I'm sure will happen. Because that's what happens to old bloody
Jaguars. But thank you, granddad. It's interesting this because it's, as ever,
you've got to read these quite carefully, haven't you, Chris Cooper? Because there are little
there are little avenues you can explore and exploit, which I quite like. Chris Cooper,
what have you exploited in these words? I really like this. I thought it was a number of criteria
you can put on a graph. And you can sort of fill that's the one that Neil's put up is red mini.
So the Jaguar bit, I also spotted that. So I think the daily would be
this 2006 XJ350 three liter. But it is, I think it is you less compliant to 2006.
So that one. And then I think the track car that was quite interesting, because the bit I
particularly liked was hard topped. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean no, it doesn't. You're
right. A fixed roof like a coupe. Here we go. So that allowed me to choose that Lotus Elise.
Oh, yeah.
Looks at the mark too, but I think it's probably a better car, isn't it?
Oh, it's a better car, but it doesn't look as good.
No, it doesn't look as good. So the the elitist actually might be on the brink of selling in
the auctions by the time some Friday, the Jag will have about three days to go. Both of
those are on the and I think both of those together would go just about within granddad's
very kind bequeath of his premium bond savings. I like all of these. I would say that
there's some lovely words to exploit here. British is an interesting word here,
because I agree with Manish that, you know, the mini that you chose,
that's a German motor company, but it's built in Cowley. So it's British built.
It's British. So I allow myself to run with British built.
Nice. It's one car that I deliberately searched. I didn't do this very often,
but I searched one of these to see if I could find it. It's totally out of my price range,
but I'm choosing it anyway, because ultimately I'm allowed to. So
Frank Sittner's operation actually built some alpinas. They did back in the late 80s.
They were British built alpinas. They would get the kits over here and assemble the cars.
They're British built alpinas, right? So I found a B9. It's a brand new car.
It's a load of money. It's 54 grand. You're not going to get it for 44,000 pounds,
but there's a good chance you could probably negotiate a deal on that car. And it's
absolutely sunny. It's a seven car classic. And it's just opal green, one of 70 cars,
maybe Alpina for the UK. It's just my chance to tell the audience that they once built alpinas
in the UK. That's all I've done now. And I think I think my learning colleagues will allow me a
little bit of leeway to share that information with you. I think it's important consumer advice
that people know that they were British cars as well. For my, and I've gone and banished,
I've just gone for a mini John Kipp works, which, you know, that looks a lot of six and a half grand
reminds me of the latest mini doesn't look too good. And I'm, you would have so much fun in that
car. That's a great car. I think those two, and I'm not dismissing the value of the Alpina because
I think the guy that's selling it has spent nine years restoring it. And I'm not trying to say it
is worth 44,000. What I'm saying is we need to know about that car. Someone needs to phone
you and negotiate a deal. That is look at that. Yeah. Oh, one that's the winner. Yeah. Right. So
let's move on to a bit of music. Managed to go first. Yes, I've been listening to lots of Beatles.
I don't know why, but I'm going through a Beatles phase. And the track I would most like to listen
to when I start Lola up this weekend is back in the USSR. What a rocking team. Oh, I've been
listening to on the best of sorry. That's a great album. No clip. You know, when you're really tired
and you're trying to keep your wife awake and she's trying to keep you awake because you're
keeping her awake. And it's one o'clock in the morning and you've got a diversion across fucking
X more. You're listening to music that you can sing along to. And even sometimes I have to put
the windows down to keep yourself awake. And I found a lovely track. New order track called Run Wild.
Every single is at the back end of one of their albums. I think the album's called Substance or
something or maybe that's the best of new order. Run Wild New Order. Really, really, really good
song. I know we're all a bit biased of our music choices, but I've chosen the best one this week.
You have? Chris Cooper.
This lovely dinner we had on Friday night at the Goubert Hotel before the sprint event.
Somebody came up to me and said, why didn't any of you on the podcast that went out on the 31st
of October Halloween, why didn't any of you choose Thriller? And I said, because we forgot.
Yeah. So a week late, but the Thriller and that video, that John Landis video, the extended version
of it, I think it's brilliant. And it's such a banging tune in the car. It's a great part, Michael
Jackson, just for a moment. Listen to the song. Look at the creativity of John Landis' video.
Thriller by Michael Jackson. Didn't they have to play that after 10 o'clock at night on the tube?
The video was, it was, it was a bit, it was so scary. There was a myth about the extended cut.
You know, you'd get to see the two and a half minutes, but there was a nine minute that existed
when you can only get on MTV and LA or something. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm slightly
obsessed by intros to songs. I described this the other day on the podcast. I just think the skill
involved in getting you into a tune before you even aware that you're into it is just,
it's just glorious, something I wish I could do. And how about this for a cheesy tune that gets
you in there straight away, going back to my roots by Odyssey. This is the first 20 seconds of that
and your shoulders are going before you even know it. It's an amazing tune. Yeah. Yeah. That is funk.
That is funky is best. It is really good. Manage a bit of housekeeping on,
on the every man dates just to give another push that you wanted to do.
Yes, please. Thank you. So you will have a chance to see the film, although it is now
starting to sell out in a few cinemas on the 10th and the 12th of November. So that's next Monday
and next Wednesday. Lucas seeing red will be on almost certainly, not completely certainly,
but almost certainly at an every man cinema near you. And this will really be the last two
before next year when we get a real idea of its distribution. So if you can get to see it on a
big screen, I really would, you know, we may not get a, we may not get a wide distribution in the
cinemas in which case you'll have to watch on your plasma screen on some stream. And it really,
this one, mostly for Mr. Harris's brilliant, brilliant interrogation of the greatest car
boss of all time, but also for Mr. Pinto's beautiful music. It's really worth and Robin
Fox's beautiful photography. It's really worth seeing on a big screen. I'm not sure we've said
this before, but it is quite a good movie. Oh, thank you. It is quite a good movie.
You can go back and watch it a couple of times because these two do talk about
some special stuff. And when you sit on a big screen, you would notice a little bit more
little nuance here, little nuance there, proper OCD car stuff this. We should do a movie every year,
then we can always talk about our movies. Yeah. We should have 10 premiers as well. Yeah, exactly.
We actually, we've seen it a few times. We introduced the film last night and then we
ducked out and had some food. So I want to give a shout out, don't do this very often,
to Patso, P-A-Z-Z-O, you know, the ex Bianchi's guys who, I mean, they delivered. I mean,
how good was that food last night? It was very good. It was, obviously, Robin and his team
knocked it out of the park. Unbelievable. Pasta loco guys. Well, just stunning food. It was a
marriage that we do apologize. We're trying to set some privacy next time out. Have a lovely weekend.
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About this episode
Exploring the ideal four-car garage for London, the hosts share their personal picks while reminiscing about their automotive experiences. Chris Harris and friends discuss their recent adventures, including a nostalgic trip to Goodwood and the London to Brighton vintage car rally. They debate the merits of various classic cars, from Minis to Jags, and delve into the impact of modern technology like sat-nav on driving culture. The episode is filled with humor, camaraderie, and a deep appreciation for the joy of driving.
aero
Ascari circuit
Brazilian Grand Prix
EV
Formula One
four cylinder
Goodwood Festival of Speed
Honda
horsepower
Le Mans
Alfa Romeo Giulia
Alpina D3
BMW i3
Caterham Superlight
Ferrari 458
Ferrari F40
Ferrari LaFerrari
Fiat 126
Ford Granada
Ford Pinto
Ford Puma
Land Rover Range Rover
Lotus Elan
Lotus Elise
McLaren F1
Mercedes-Benz SL
Mini Cooper
Mini John Cooper Works GP
Porsche 356
Porsche 911
Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche 959
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche GT1
Rolls-Royce Ghost
Toyota Prius
Original notes
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This week, we have a bumper issue for you all! Possibly our longest ever. And it’s a cracker – some great stories from what the team did in cars this week, much discourse and digressing around satnavs, and the team’s new favourite topic – a 4 car garage for a London mews house. This, and much more. We hope you enjoy!
(00:00) Intro
(00:45) What did we do in cars this week?
(26:48) 4-car London mews garage
(47:55) How did we survive before Satnav?
(1:10:15) Best motoring cliches
(1:21:28) 2CG by Car & Classic
(1:32:15) Music
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