The Ford Fiesta ST is a sportier version of the regular Fiesta, designed to be more fun to drive. It's small and nimble, making it great for city driving and twisty roads.
The Toyota GR GT is a new sports car from Toyota's performance division, designed for speed and excitement. It's part of their effort to create high-performance vehicles.
The Lexus LFA is a supercar made by Lexus, known for being very fast and having a unique design. It was made in limited quantities and is highly regarded among car enthusiasts.
GT3 racing is a type of car racing where modified versions of regular sports cars compete against each other. It's popular among car manufacturers because it allows them to show off their cars' speed and performance.
The FI GT3 rules are guidelines that tell car manufacturers how to modify their cars for racing in GT3 events. These rules help keep the competition fair and safe for all drivers.
A hybridized V8 means the car has a V8 engine that also uses electric power. This helps it save fuel and be more environmentally friendly while still being powerful.
Torque measures how much twisting force an engine can produce. It's important for how quickly a car can accelerate and how well it can pull heavy loads.
GT3 class racing is a type of car racing where different brands can race their modified street cars. It's known for being competitive and includes famous races like the 24 Hours of Spa.
Weight distribution is how the weight of a car is balanced between the front and back. A car with 45% weight in the front and 55% in the back can handle differently than one with a different balance.
The Toyota GT is a sports car made by Toyota that focuses on high performance and exciting driving experiences. It's designed to be fast and fun to drive.
A high performance vehicle is a car that is built to go faster and handle better than regular cars. They usually have powerful engines and special features that make them fun to drive.
Mercedes-AMG makes faster and sportier versions of regular Mercedes cars. They focus on performance and luxury, making them popular among car enthusiasts.
The Land Rover Range Rover is a high-end SUV that is both stylish and capable of going off-road. It's often seen as a standard for luxury in the SUV market.
All-wheel drive means that the car can send power to all four wheels at the same time. This helps the car grip the road better, especially when it's rainy or snowy.
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Happy Tuesday.
Welcome back.
We're diving right in.
We're thrilled to have you with us.
Big announcement right up front.
Next week's podcast will be live in the studio.
We'll be live.
It'll be questions only from you guys.
It'll be rapid fire.
Those always fly by.
That'll be super rapid fire.
So keep in mind, this is Tuesday.
This coming Monday, we will be in the studio.
We will announce the times.
It'll be in the evening.
We'll do an all-live podcast.
We'd love to have you here for it live.
And then, of course, it will release on all the audio
formats the next day.
But just letting you know that's happening.
Other announcements.
Have you seen it yet?
Have you seen our biggest comparison of the year,
the $12,000 used car piece?
There's things to say here.
But it's very fun.
We had a lot of fun making this piece, guys.
Thank you for watching.
Please pass it on to friends.
It got us thinking about what are fun cars out there
that are 12K and under because you watched that $8,000,
under $8,000 piece from what?
Three years ago, three or four years ago now.
And that has just really resonated with all of you.
So thank you for that.
So this is under $12,000.
Like I said, pass that along.
But we had a lot of fun making it.
And there's a ton of cars that we could have included
in the piece, some that didn't show up like a TTE,
others that, you know what?
We've covered those before, like GT86s and that kind of thing.
Specifically, did bring the 86.
We know they fit.
But it was deliberate choice.
But it hopefully got everybody thinking about and shopping.
For sure, yes.
But thinking about what stuff is out there
and so many people are loving the Fiesta ST.
We love that car.
It's not revelatory.
It was just fun to rediscover it.
And I think that's with all the comments,
it was sort of like, yeah, we know the Fiesta ST is fun.
Like, yeah, we know that too.
But once again, it was fun to rediscover it
and redrive all of these cars.
So again, thank you for watching.
The link is here.
So in the top right corner of your screen.
And yeah, pass that along.
Hopefully you enjoy it and watch it again.
Thank you guys.
Yes, for sure.
One thing I want to add on this that's very funny
is thank you for all the comments,
all the amazing comments on that piece.
Thank you for sharing it, passing it along
and watching it a lot.
Some of you are sending us photos.
Have you watched them on the big screen?
That's what's intended.
So thank you for that.
I also want to pause here on how we do these
for one quick second and talk about one thing.
And that is, I'm loving to see all the comments
about why didn't you guys bring whatever.
But there's this weird misconception out there
when you fought this battle for us since the beginning.
It's weird misconception that if we as automotive journalists
would like to put a bunch of cars together,
there's just a parking lot somewhere
of those cars available.
They just exist.
They just, we'll just go get the exact one we need
with the exact spec we need.
We'll get it right now.
That not only is that not true with new cars,
it gets harder and harder as the cars get used.
So once you guys know right up front,
we want to do more of these.
We love this format.
We want to do more of these.
We're excited about them.
We're glad you are too.
But we started with a list of 12 cars,
hoping to get six on camera.
The five we ended up with, I'll be honest with you,
some of those five were like a,
yeah, we should include that car.
Sure.
It wasn't that has to be there.
Some of the has to be there.
We could never find one that was available for our shoot.
So we actually go out all over our local area,
which again is Assault Lake area.
We're looking for all of the 12 cars on the list,
hoping to get six.
The morning we filmed, we had six
and then the TT didn't show up
and suddenly we had a five car shoot.
Well, there's always caveats about,
well, what about this?
Could squeak in like, yeah, maybe we should include that.
So it would be 12 to 15 cars.
That's a huge undertaking.
So it's more representative,
even though you guys have had many great ideas
about which cars should have been included.
But many of the ideas you've come up with,
we're on our list, we had a 12 list
and we had like the nine really chase those lists
and it was the six we hope we get
and then it was five that actually went on camera.
So please understand, we love doing these,
but there's no like,
well, I'll just pull out my wish list
and I'll grab the six best cars possible
that match that.
The cars are all in my neighbor's driveway.
They're all next door.
We have them at a barn somewhere.
So that's the fight.
But anyway, thank you guys for watching it.
We have to move on to big, big Toyota news.
Huge news.
It's very exciting news.
We watched last week,
the reveal of the Toyota GR GT.
We've been talking about it
and discussing it for a long time.
It was a Goodwood Festival of Speed
over the summer of 2025
and the new Lexus,
they're reusing the nomenclature LFA,
but it's an LFA EV
which is fine with us.
But we watched the reveal last week
and came away as blown away,
I think as all of you are,
not just by the specs,
but by the car itself
and the exciting news that Toyota
is investing in this market.
They're pushing it forward.
And I think by having these cars,
they're putting all the other car makers on notice.
Like, this is cool.
They're gonna make money.
Putting the effort that they did
and it will reap rewards.
You can go GT3 racing.
The FI GT3 rules is what they followed here.
Offer into that segment
and I think other car manufacturers
are already sitting back going,
huh, maybe that's something we should revisit.
I mean, we'll see.
Toyota is unique in the fact that Accio Toyota,
he wants to do good to drive cars
and not all of the CEOs
or people high up at any of these car companies
is that their focus.
They wanna make cars they can sell
hundreds of thousands of,
which means five seats.
The letter T?
Starting with the letter T?
Possibly, that was a shot.
This is really interesting
because we're talking about a twin turbo hybridized V8,
somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 horsepower,
somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000.
This is a big halo car moonshot for Toyota.
They have the hybrid background.
They're gonna do a race car.
I mean, you see in the photo here,
the car looks, I gotta be honest, it looks big.
It looks-
It does look big.
AMG GT kind of big.
Like last gen AMG GT.
That's what we're hearing.
Which it looks like you crossed that with a Supra
and you got this thing.
It also looks really low and wide.
It almost looks like you laid a deck of cards on the table.
It's like that looks like,
and then okay, I'll put a little bit of a cabin on top of it.
I mean, that's what it looks like.
Just a tiny greenhouse on top of the deck of cards.
Yes, deck of cards is what it looks like.
Yeah, that's good.
I mean, this will probably be really cool to drive.
I suspect the power is gonna be awesome
and it is cool looking,
but it feels big in photos.
Even the guy walking around the stage.
And I thought the Lexus looked swoopy and really cool.
This looks almost utilitarian.
Like we have a job to do.
I mean, that's good.
Yeah, I wanna see it in a color, but this is a big car.
What we know so far, it is a four liter twin turbo V8 hybrid.
Turbo's in the hot V front mid engine.
You can see that reflected in the architecture here.
At least, again, all we're hearing,
this could all change.
But what we're hearing right now,
at least 641 horsepower and 627 foot pounds of torque
with an eight speed automatic transaxle.
And in EV, the electric motor replaced in the torque converter.
So right at the engine,
battery above the transaxle in the rear,
here is the GT3 version of that.
And what we're also hearing is the GT3 version came first,
which is always good news when the race car comes first.
And then let's build the street car out of the race car.
That's a whole heck of a lot easier,
but it also just bodes well
for GT3 class racing in general.
Aluminum chassis, entirely new,
designed for the GT3 version here.
And a 45 to 55 weight distribution.
Here is the Lexus version of that to LFA,
so they're bringing that nomenclature back.
This looks even better than the Toyota, I think.
It does, I agree.
This looks like, this is the right design on that.
Yeah, it really is.
It really looks amazing.
So interestingly, what we're hearing is
the Toyota GT and the GT3 will be sold
through Lexus dealers.
We're hearing new information here.
And that is because when you buy something this expensive,
this halo of a car,
you want a higher level of customer support and service
rather than buying a $200 plus thousand car
next to a Sienna minivan.
I think it could work
because this is not being positioned as a luxury vehicle.
It's positioned as a high performance vehicle,
which is what the Toyota brand is all about.
So I think it could work,
but if it's through a Lexus dealer, fine with me.
Interesting.
Here's the GT and the GT3 together.
Very interesting.
The back of it, I think the styling works so well.
Back looks amazing.
I actually think the back
is the best angle on this car right now.
Yeah, it's excellent.
And then we've got a few more photos here
just showing the packaging, which is quite interesting.
So you can see that front mid-engine layout here,
passenger in the center,
and they kindly indicated the center of gravity.
So right here in the car,
so it's right at your knees.
Right below the steering wheel, essentially, yeah.
Yeah, right below the steering wheel.
So they're indicating a 45 to 55 weight distribution
for this car, which is pretty ideal.
And you can kind of see center of rotations,
CG right there in the middle, which is cool.
I'm gonna say something controversial.
This looks like it could be the next gen Viper.
That's no bad thing.
It's not a bad thing, but think about
the Viper's perception. The size.
The size perception of the Viper.
Now granted, I've juxtaposed this before.
The current 911 is as long as a Viper.
It doesn't seem like it.
Doesn't seem like it.
The Viper over time has gotten smaller in perception,
but this looks like somebody sat down and designed
what is the updated version of the Viper,
and it has that feel about it to me.
And the Viper is related to the AMG GT.
I mean, they all have a similar kind of feel to them,
long nose, et cetera, but yeah, anyway.
Moving on to the chassis.
So you can see this is brand new,
developed by Toyota, designed for the GT3 cars.
You can see the transaxle out back,
and you can see just from the image here,
looks really wide and low.
I'm so excited to drive hopefully both of these,
both the Toyota version and the EV Lexus version.
This, I love that Toyota is doing this.
I cannot believe it, I cannot believe it truly,
but I love that they are.
So a few photos from the interior,
and you might say that it looks a little bit bland
at first glance, but keep in mind,
this is a purposeful car for the Toyota version.
This is not being positioned or even sold
as the luxury GT Cruiser.
The 911 could be accused of having
kind of a boring looking interior.
Fair.
I've read the Mercedes AMG, it's cool,
big screen, a lot of buttons,
but what are we looking for, I suppose?
Okay, fair point.
Does it have to be crazy Pagani-like
to feel super car-like,
or would you rather have a purpose-built environment here?
The Lexus will look, I think,
pretty interesting, pretty driver-focused,
but we're hearing pricing based
on what current GT3 cars cost.
That's all we know right now.
And the seats, very purposeful.
This looks really cool.
I wanna see one, I wanna drive one.
I love that Toyota and Accio Toyota
even spoke at that reveal,
and I love that he has gone all in
because look what it's done to both of these brands.
Everybody's talking about Toyota and Lexus,
and the fact that this Toyota,
Halo car would be sold at Lexus,
that is huge news, that is getting
everybody talking about it,
and so it makes you want to have a piece of this
by going and buying a GR product or a Lexus.
I guess, yeah.
Sort of like, I've gotta,
I kinda relate to it,
because this is where Toyota's going
with their entire lineup.
So very cool.
It's very cool.
Very interesting, and again, pricing could change.
Everything is here, say, right now.
Everything could change.
There's no details posted,
and they're saying it's a 2027 vehicle,
so hopefully introduced in 2026, mid-2026,
hopefully at some point in first drives,
and it's for the recreational track driver.
So if we're hooked on driving drivers,
it's for GT3 class racing,
and the Lexus, I mean, what a sexy,
looking, cool, modern, this is automotive,
this is motoring in the future.
I love that.
Yeah, I can't believe they've done it.
I'm very excited about it.
A bit more news, a little bit old at this point
about a Jaguar, well, I mean,
we've heard specifically that Jerry McGovern,
the head of design, has been fired.
He was friends with Rotan Tata,
who passed away last year,
and so when you don't have any more champions
than the company that believe in you
and had a lot of pushback from the public.
Excellent way to put it, I was gonna say,
well, the public is not loving what's going on.
Unconvinced.
Excellent.
He was convinced the public was not.
That's a shirt I want, I want hashtag unconvinced.
Those of you making T-shirts for us, pay attention.
I wanna have this profile,
and I want over the long hood, hashtag unconvinced.
There's just that, that is the,
I wanna wear that, that we should do,
because hopefully this firing kills this car,
and hopefully it creates a-
Hopefully.
You know what I really hope this is?
I hope this is Jaguar's new Coke moment.
Because Coca-Cola was like,
Coca-Cola was like, we're gonna do new Coke,
you're gonna love it, they brought out new Coke
and everybody went, what is this swill?
And they filled up their cars with all the old Coke,
and I remember all the news stories
when I was growing up, I mean, I'm dating myself,
but still, it landed with such a thud
and Coke had made a big deal about,
this is our new direction, like we're not looking back,
this is our new direction, just like Jaguar.
Actually, and then the response to the public was so bad,
they were like, Coca-Cola classic.
I bet you, this is their new Coke moment.
I hope it is, I hope what comes next from Jaguar
were like, that's a Jaguar.
I guess in modern terms, it's their
cracker barrel moment, so they're-
Possibly, yeah?
We were just kidding moment.
You know what?
I respect Jerry McGovern's styling, his eye,
and what it did for Land Rover, for the Ranges.
Because that is a slab-sided vehicle
that really evokes luxury, and anytime
any SUV manufacturer is designing something new,
I think they're looking at Ranges.
Lincoln did, and they're successful.
Lincoln looked at those and went, you know what?
Ranges.
Interesting.
That's a luxury high-end, the tone was set
by Jerry McGovern.
You're right, I mean, I will say,
what he did to the Land Rover Range Rover styling
is like refine what they were already doing,
and what's interesting is if you put a picture,
we don't have one, but if you put a picture
of the current loaded Land Rover
above this Jaguar concept, you go,
of course, that's the same guy.
And I've always thought that the current Land Rover
is about as far towards slabs as they could go,
and that we found them too far.
It works.
We found too far.
This was the bridge too far.
We overcorrected, everyone.
There was the 2002 or 2003 when Jerry McGovern
briefly worked for Ford Lincoln Mercury,
and came up with the MK9 concept
that we'll put up briefly on screen.
Here it is.
And we're moving on from that
because I was never a fan of that car.
I'm not putting it on screen here,
but we're noting a trend.
Yikes.
So yes, moving on from that.
A bit of other news here about Porsche
introducing a virtual transmission into their EVs,
starting with the Taycan, it's understanding,
because Porsche apparently is super impressed
with Hyundai's i5N, and so they liked the shift points
that Hyundai had introduced
and made it more interesting to drive.
And so I think we're gonna be seeing
virtual transmissions from Porsche here shortly,
in whatever EVs they do next.
How much celebration has quietly gone on at Hyundai
when they read that Porsche bought one of their products
to check out how they did it?
There is probably no more engineering endorsement
on the planet for a car maker than Porsche bought one.
That's a great point.
And this also, frankly, it elevates,
should elevate Hyundai even further
in the eyes of enthusiasts,
that Porsche is looking at Hyundai?
And impressed enough to kind of-
Five years ago?
Do their own thing, yeah.
That was like the start of a joke
at your local cars and coffee.
Oh yeah, Porsche is looking at Hyundai.
No, they're not.
That's a great point.
Porsche is looking at the i5N and the i6N
and going, how'd they do this?
The shift points is what made us fall in love
with the i5N.
That's very cool, yeah.
You've gotta talk briefly about the Toyota Sienna
minivan that we just had over the Thanksgiving break
and I think you enjoyed hauling the family right on that.
I put all the people in it.
We used all the seats.
We folded seats down.
We folded seats up.
We did all the seats.
Now, Toyota is only selling this right now
as an all-wheel drive hybrid.
That's the way the Sienna comes.
This is an expensive minivan.
Okay, it's about $50,000,
which is what minivans cost.
I'm sorry, but they do.
It was fully loaded.
Yeah, it was.
I had to train my family how to use the big doors
because they were desperate to do it themselves.
But I could be like, just sit, just sit.
Just sit.
Is there a button somewhere?
Just sit.
I have all the buttons above my head.
Just sit down, put your seat belt on.
The door will come to you.
There was like three or four tries in some cases
of members of the family, just sit.
So the doors are great.
I mean, the reality is if you want a minivan,
we've talked about it before.
Nothing out does a minivan
at what a minivan does well.
We say nothing out, minivan's a minivan.
I've got the fob.
I can open either side door with the fob
while I'm walking up to the car.
Or it's our handy.
Absolutely.
And I can close them from the minute I sit in the car.
It's very easy.
So this made easy access for those members of my family
that are not easy access folks.
They struggle to get in and out of cars.
My father-in-law is struggling right now.
So it's just one of those things where it just works.
If you have families, this is excellent.
I'm not saying the Sienna does something
that no other minivan does.
I'm not, except for possibly gas mileage
because I hooned it for like four days
and hadn't even burned a quarter tank.
When I dropped it back off with you, I was like,
did I not try hard?
I knew I had.
You got a full tank here, man.
It was crazy.
I drove it all over the place.
Sport mode, it was in sport mode, right?
Yes, it was the only mode.
That's the only mode.
As soon as it turned it on, it was like up to sport.
Yeah.
Which basically was just through all the response.
So it refused to burn gas.
That's amazing.
That was good.
That was the big thing about it.
I mean, you gotta pick minivan
on the features that you want.
This has all the normal features.
It had the, because it's a press car, it was loaded.
I had the hose for the vacuum system in the center console.
Did you?
The hose was in there.
I didn't use it.
It wasn't needed.
We're past the part where anybody in my family
is young enough to make a mess.
So we're past that.
But it also had the cooler in the back center console.
Oh, yeah, right.
Where you could actually heat and cool your beverages.
So that was in there too.
So it was everything.
And sliding seats with the leg rest.
I mean, you and I are too tall for those to work.
But if you're the size of my sister or my wife
or whatever, you're the mid five footers,
you can actually slide the seat back
and get the ankle rest.
And it's all very nice.
I don't need one.
But if you need a minivan, the Sienas are very cool.
And I was most surprised by, I didn't even notice.
I pulled back into your driveway to drop it off.
I looked out of the fuel gauge.
I was like, how much of a, oh nothing.
I just burned like nothing.
Which was crazy.
That was cool.
Which does set it apart.
It's pretty cool.
That's very good, yeah.
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It's that time of year again.
Consumer Reports does this every year.
We actually had a big discussion about it last year
where they released their report card for the year.
They take all the brands and they do this a couple of ways.
It's wide and deep.
Very much so.
It's road test, reliability, owner satisfaction,
and safety are the four major parameters
for them to create their best brands report.
That's the headline.
But then they have the best used cars,
best new car values.
They have all kinds of stuff.
I really dug in mostly on the headline one,
which was the best brands,
which is the culmination of all the ways they test
and all the surveys that they do.
I wanted to talk about the top five
and the bottom five of that listing
because last year, quite famously,
Subaru was at the top for the first time.
And also quite famously, last year,
Rivian was at the bottom.
Interesting to see the brands.
Have things changed.
In the top five and the bottom five.
But again, most reliable new car brands,
both the top three and the bottom three there
were interesting.
Most reliable used car brands,
top three and bottom three.
But I wanna point something out real quickly
before we dive in too far.
In the best brands, Porsche is listed
as one of the best.
And we'll talk about where Porsche is listed.
But one of the things that's key here is
all the surveys that they get.
All right, and this came up last year with Rivian
because they, Rivian was like the outlier,
even though it was the bottom of the list
because they almost had enough surveys to make it work.
If you go into the new car brands
or the used car brands, just those separate lists,
Porsche vanishes as a brand.
It's not listed.
And I can only account that to being not enough
survey results for them to do it.
That's what my thinking too.
There's other brands along with Porsche,
but some are missing off the list.
But they get enough information to include it
on the overall, like the overarching best brands one.
But I just think it is funny that you have a Porsche
and I have a Lotus and those brands
are pretty much nowhere to be seen.
So because there's just not enough,
there's just not enough.
Owner surveys, yeah.
Not enough people are buying them,
not enough people are doing surveys.
I found out a Lotus survey the other day.
You did?
When they asked me multiple questions,
I was like, I'll fill out a survey.
That's fine.
And they asked me if I would ever,
and I took the question at face value,
would I ever consider, that was the word used,
ever consider a Lotus electric SUV?
And I was like, you've got the word ever
and consider in there.
I would absolutely consider.
You didn't ask me, would I buy?
You said ever consider.
Interesting. I took it to Facebook so I said yes.
Because I'm also thinking-
That's very deliberate on their part
because they just want,
they want to kind of grease the-
Yeah.
You know, the scale a little bit.
But consider and buy, plus,
because they also don't know they're asking me.
I'm an automotive journalist.
I want to consider everything.
I want to drive it all.
True.
I may tell you, you're way, way off the mark,
but I'd love to get in and drive it.
If you said buy, it'd be far more definitive results
but it might not go in the direction they want.
Yeah, that's the thing.
That's the thing I was concerned about
is they're going to look at these survey results
and most people are going to be like,
ever consider?
Sure.
I'll consider everything.
Our audience really wants an electric SUV.
That's not what we said.
It's not what we said.
I specifically not say that.
I said as an automotive journalist,
if you build that as a concept,
I'll drive it and go, is this a Lotus?
Well, that way when sales go way down
and they point fingers at the marketing people,
they can say, well, hey, all these people considered.
We can't force people to buy.
All the surveys we had-
Why didn't people buy?
Jaguar's going through that very thing right now.
The new Coke moment at Jaguar.
I really like that.
I'm going to lean into it.
So can I run through my five?
Do it, yeah, do it.
This is Best Brands.
Top five and bottom five.
Once again, they're back with more forest
and all-wheel drive.
Subaru.
Subaru is the top of the list.
With more forest.
Now with more forest.
Now with all the all-wheel drives and the CVTs
and in the back of the photo that I have on screen,
they're right back.
They're right back, is the BRZ.
How did that get up there?
Yeah, it doesn't belong in the photo.
That's not sand.
That is rock and gravel and mountain.
That is, there's probably a road just,
in fact, I think there is,
and there is a road.
There is a road, yes.
But anyway, but the point I'm making here is-
How did that get up there?
The BRZ is way at the back.
They drove at it early in the morning
and they scrapped it again.
Exactly, carefully placed.
We've joked about this a lot.
Look, Subaru is killing it,
especially in North America.
They're killing it.
They also are doing incremental changes to their cars.
And that was actually brought up last year
when we talked about this at length.
One of the things that's led them to rise to the top,
especially reliability,
is they're not making big swing for the fences changes.
Making little tiny tweaks to what's already working
and that leads to long-term reliability.
Toyota being a great example.
They've done a bunch of new engines.
They're going through those growing pains.
Subaru's been using the same engines,
same transmissions forever.
So they're actually at number one.
Number two is BMW.
I couldn't believe that.
And they were tied with Subaru.
Number two is BMW.
I couldn't believe that.
Whoever thought that best brands
number two would be BMW.
I'm a little astonished by this.
That's based on all the results.
The owner satisfaction surveys,
owner satisfaction road tests,
safety, all of the above.
So there's BMW at number two.
Porsche at number three.
Again, they don't appear on the other sub-lists
but they are on this list.
So Porsche at number three,
which they've been in the top five kind of forever.
Yeah. I mean, that's the truth.
They are the performance brand that is the most reliable.
I mean, I realize Toyota has performance stuff
but this is their performance brand
that is the most reliable is Porsche.
Honda is at number four.
Good. Which is very interesting.
Good, they're up there.
And Toyota is at five,
which feels a little lower than I would have expected.
But again, they're going through some big changes
in their lineup and that is leading to
less current reliability
whereas Subaru is doing incremental changes
and things are working.
You're starting to see the change there.
That is the top five, bottom five.
I want to bring up something before I go to bottom five.
I'm going to stay here on Toyota at number five
for a minute. Right, right.
Last year, Rivian was the bottom of the list.
Okay? It was way at the bottom.
All right?
Now, owner satisfaction in a separate list was really high
but like how it did on everything
it was bottom of the list.
It's risen five places.
Five places, which means that the five I'm about to talk about
are all lower on the list than Rivian
who was the bottom of the barrel last year.
But are you saying Rivian marketing people
can now claim we rose five spots?
Yes, in the Consumer Reports Best Brand Survey,
Rivian, we're giving the marketing department
of Rivian freebies. This is how marketing people do it.
Yes, yes.
We've ridden five spaces.
And what's interesting is some of their direct competitors
are now below them.
So let's dive into the bottom five below Rivian
five from the bottom is Alfa Romeo.
I love them, but they just don't do well here.
Also, a lot of Stellantis products in the bottom five.
I'm sorry to say it.
You don't say.
The Stellan Terrians, yeah.
And Dodge is below Alfa Romeo.
You don't want to buy a Hornet?
I don't.
Granted, you notice that the Alfa has the,
it's Hornet variant, the Tonale, the Tonale is there.
Not a good name.
And then we have the Hornet.
So Dodge is even below Alfa Romeo.
Okay.
Below Dodge is GMC
who is pretty much only making high-end trucks
from the Chevy platforms,
but they're just not working very well.
So GMC is making things like the Hummer.
Hummer is listed under GMC.
So there's that.
And then below GMC is Land Rover.
At the bottom of the list is Land Rover.
They still sell though.
They still sell.
They sell.
They still sell.
They sell and they have a reputation
for not running great and not being reliable,
but their owners do love them.
I mean, one of the things that's interesting is
the cars at the bottom of the market,
the ones I just ran through Rivian through the bottom,
you've got militant owners that love these vehicles.
And look, I have championed the Alfa Romeo Giulia.
I'll probably do it again this podcast.
I love that car.
Okay.
And I've known people with them that were problematic.
I've known people with them where there was like,
all this does is run.
Right.
And they're like, what is everybody talking about?
Exactly.
So I mean, I understand.
We have multiple friends, it's Park City.
We have multiple friends with Range Rovers
and Land Rover products.
I know a few that just are like,
I don't know what everybody's complaining about.
We have one friend who does all his own maintenance
and it's like, I don't know what everybody's complaining about.
There you go.
But anyway, so we'll see how it all goes.
But that is the quote unquote best brands,
top and bottom from Consumer Reports from me.
I thought it was a fascinating list this year,
but Rivian on the way up and BMW at the top.
That's amazing.
I like that you showed photos of everything
because I'm list guy.
It was hard to get photos of the lineups.
Yeah.
Harder than you think.
All that just to find the lineups, the current lineups.
So I'm list guy.
So I'm showing a few lists here.
A little bit of it is repetitive,
but I just wanted you to see some screenshots
from Consumer Reports and how they rank things.
So this is starting with most reliable new brands.
Just wanted you to see the top 10 here.
Toyota is predicted reliability based again
on all the owner surveys and all the research they do.
Toyota is at the top for best new brands
for used car brand reliability.
Now Lexus swaps places with Toyota
and look at all these.
BMW is still on their Mazda, great Audi Volvo.
They're still way up there.
And then moving on to satisfaction by brand
you touched on this.
Rivian is way out front.
Not even a contest way out front.
People that have Rivians love their Rivians
and that helped them last year too,
but it is interesting because in spite of the foibles
and the issues and whatever,
the Rivian owners love their cars
and that changes the dynamics a lot.
It's insane.
So moving on here to the list form for sports cars
with the images, I wanted you to see this
because at the very top for $40,000 sports cars
and under the BRZ, and I would think
even though it's fourth on the list,
but they all share almost the top four spots,
the GT86, sorry, GR86 and the BRZ.
So those are way up there, which is pretty cool to see.
Even the Mini Cooper in yellow.
Look at that.
Hey.
Is at the top.
Hey, it's actually recommended, look at that.
They're at the top.
I mean, I have a 20 year old one now for my son,
so you know, we'll see how that goes.
But you got the good year with the Supercharger.
The number of people in the comments
on our $12,000 car piece that were like,
Minis are terrible.
They'll never run.
I'm like, well, I've had two that have run.
Hopefully this second one keeps running.
They're like, they don't know what you're talking about.
The big lesson we're doing now
with my son and the Mini is it's freezing outside.
The engine is cold.
We don't have to find red line yet.
Just mechanical, easy, easy, just, you know,
we'll get there, let some of the gauges
climb off of the peg at the bottom.
Like some of the gauges lift.
Is he getting in, starting it, and just hammering on it?
He drives it the way he's used to driving it,
which is just, I'm gonna wind out through the gears
and it's like, okay, right now just calm.
Let's get into sixth when we only need third.
Let's just ease our way in, you know?
This is a good lesson.
Yeah, we're working our way.
Moving on to sports cars, $40,000 and above,
amazing to see the C8 Stingray
at the very top of the list
as a consumer reports recommended by
boxers up there as well, which I'd like to see.
The Miata didn't rank quite as high
as I thought it was going to,
but at least it's, you know, up here.
It's good, Z4, all the stuff that we do like.
And then talking a little bit about trucks,
the F-150 took all the categories
in hybrid and regular form, so it's
F-150 from here on out.
But what was interesting is we currently have
a Santa Cruz press vehicle,
and here it is at the top of consumer reports,
recommended list for the small truck category.
And that was pretty cool to see.
I'm reminded that it's actually pretty fun to drive,
although I feel like the turbo isn't kicking in.
I have to really tell it.
I have to downshift a lot.
I don't remember that the last time I drove it.
I don't remember that either.
It's almost like something about
the throttle response was changed.
I've got it in sport and I've got a really downshift
to make it go.
Interesting.
Is this turbo?
I thought this was turbo, but maybe not.
Checking it out, it's turbo.
Where is the turbo?
I shouldn't have to just...
It needs to come on a little bit sooner,
but maybe people were complaining about that.
It was too jumpy because that's why we liked it.
It was just snappy.
It was on it, yeah.
Hot throttle response.
That's the last one I remember, yeah.
Interesting.
Here is the off-road focused SUV market.
This is why you're doing this list.
Very top is the new Toyota 4Runner.
That's why you did that.
You haven't seen why I got one piece.
Here is the link in the top right corner again,
and yeah, I bought one.
Really, really do like it.
And yeah, so off-road focused SUVs.
The Wranglers up here, which is good,
but the scoring isn't too high.
Yours and the Wrangler are the top three,
but the reliability scores of both the Branco
and the Wrangler do not compete
with the expected one on the Toyota.
They just don't.
I'm sorry, you know.
But then moving on to the luxury versions,
the Cayenne is very, very in the top three here as well.
Interesting to see the X5 all the way out front.
Yeah, interesting.
Plug-in hybrid or regular X5 is way out there,
but that definitely corresponds to BMW
being at the very top of the overall list,
which is pretty cool to see.
Things change.
Watch what happens in 10 years.
That's what I think it's interesting
as long as we're doing this job
to watch how brands' perceptions
completely change in five or 10 years.
Certainly in 10 year increments,
it's amazing how an entire brand
will remake itself.
Toyota's done that almost twice
in the time we've done this show, which is crazy, yeah.
And then here is the EV list,
BMW once again at the top with the i5
for electric luxury cars.
And the i4 in second,
which I mean brand to the top here, yeah.
So BMW's, Taycan's up here, which is nice to see.
Tesla has definitely risen a lot,
but pretty interesting to see BMW
all the way at the top of this list.
Moving on to subcompact SUVs.
You are a list guy.
You look at you.
This is awesome.
This is my moment.
You didn't do this by accident.
Essentially all the lists have just led us to this list.
That's really the reason you did lists
was to show the four rider at the top
and to have this discussion
we're about to have right now.
Get it all out of the way.
So I could show you the subcompact SUV market.
There's 15 cars in this market.
The very bottom is the new Subaru Crosstrek hybrid.
So it is still in test.
It's still testing.
And doesn't have quite all the scores yet.
That's why it's not really ranked.
So out of the 14,
the Tows has moved up one notch.
It's still 13th, pretty much dead last in my opinion.
But the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport
has taken the crown from the Tows for being the worst,
according to Consumer Reports.
This is not my reporting.
But they don't have enough actual,
the other reason it's there
is because they don't have enough surveys yet
to maybe raise it off the floor.
That's just Consumer Reports commenting as well.
So good news, the Tows might still come in last.
With actual road test score
and over satisfaction surveys,
the Tows is at dead last.
This is a problem.
You're gonna do a little dance, aren't you?
You're doing your little victory dance in your head.
I was right, dance.
Yeah, you are.
I see it happening.
Just saying, there it is, the proof.
I was the butt in the seat.
I was the subjective reviewer here.
This is concrete results.
What you're saying is, it's not just me.
It's really what you're saying.
You're like, not just me.
Yeah, okay, got it.
Pretty cool that Consumer Reports
goes that deep and it can definitely affect
your purchasing decisions, but it's not always
because we recommend cars that are a lot of fun to drive
and are still kind of in the middle, top to middle
of the list and they're still great to own.
It wouldn't be, you know, off of your say, well.
Well, but the cars, the $12,000 car piece we just did.
The RX-8's in it.
Yeah.
We all know that the RX-8 is not something
you buy for its reliability, but it is superb to drive.
The Mini's in it.
The Mini's wonderful to drive and not just because
I bought one, but it is genuinely fun to drive,
but yet people have had really mixed reliability there.
So sometimes the hassle is worth it.
You just have to decide what, it's that spectrum
of sacrifice.
That's the takeaway.
What's your hassle tolerance?
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All of this is coming soon, but we're very excited.
Tony writes in with our first car debate here.
He says he's spinning tires
and trying to decide his eldest son
is on the brink of learning to drive.
He'll be given Tony's current car,
which is the 2019 GLS 450, which is,
that's quite a big car.
That's a huge car for a new driver.
Although I had a cheap Grand Cherokee.
True, but GLS is, that's big.
Anyway, he's gonna drive that through his high school years
which means that Tony needs a new daily.
But here is the big trick.
He needs not once must have a hitch rack
on whatever car, which he'd like to be fun
has to have a hitch rack that can carry bicycles, plural
and potentially a singular dirt bike.
So we're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood
of 300 pounds or so that must be able to be tolerated
by a actual hitch mount.
That is the big thing.
He likes something smaller than the GLS,
maybe actual sports car intentions.
He has, his sports car is handled,
is two, count of two, 911s.
A 991.2 C4, so an all wheel drive 911
plus a 996 turbo as a track and weekend fun car.
So he has those.
His wife has his description here.
The behemoth Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series 3
for family and hauling duty.
So that's covered.
That's suburban size now.
Yeah, that's extra big.
He's had a Durango 392 in the past, a Focus RS.
He's looking at maybe a GR Corolla or Golf R.
But he's wondering about the ability for suspension
to handle the load of the dirt bike.
So that also gets him thinking
about maybe small SUVs.
This is where we are.
Tony's wandering mind is considered an SQ7 or SQ8 Audi,
GLE 53, McConn, Cayenne, GLC 43,
you know, all the usual suspects in there.
In that regard, yeah.
With a budget of $60,000, what can he get?
And the hitch is the through line here on this debate
and the next.
Did you notice?
I did, I noticed that.
I stumbled across, I didn't go too far down
this rabbit trail, but I just,
and this is not an endorsement
because I just saw it literally in passing.
Of course, there is a YouTube channel
who does a series called Does It Bike?
Does it bike, everybody?
Does it bike?
So like does it blend from years ago?
It does relate to us.
Actually, I'll give you a totally random aside.
You remember the Does It Blend Blender?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
The Does It Blend Blender did the Does It Blend
stuff forever.
They were these YouTube videos.
Find them if you haven't seen them.
They're totally viral kind of things.
They would just like throw it in their
super industrial blender you could buy
for your, their kitchen.
I don't remember what the name was, but
you would have it.
I think it was Blend Tech.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Turn it into soup.
It would soup everything.
Yeah.
I happened to be working as a commercial
editor in Salt Lake when they got a new
marketing person at that company
and they decided to do legitimate commercials.
Which was a Utah-based company,
the Blend Tech.
It was Utah, was it not?
Actual, genuine, normal commercials
and released them on TV.
And this marketing person, talk about
the Jaguar issue, this marketing person
got the commercials made, shot,
through edit and up to approval.
I don't know how this happened.
I was the editor on them.
Okay.
And then when they were shown to the guy
that owned the company,
he said I will never run traditional
commercials and they died at that step.
Now maybe this has changed since then.
It's been a while since I did this edit.
It's been a lot of money to get to that point.
Yes, exactly.
It's like nobody along the line was like,
should we show the boss?
Anyway, but the point I'm making here
is that the Blend Tech blends everything,
but apparently the viral videos
were enough that it needed commercials.
So out there is, does it bike?
Which is what we need for Tony.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
Well, Tony, I had got some great choices for you.
I love how you're thinking, $60,000 budget.
I'm not trying to blow it out too much.
Just a little bit.
Just ever so slightly,
but I do have great choices for you here.
Starting off, you know how you talked
about your Cayenne idea?
I went shopping and found a 2022 Porsche Cayenne coupe
because you're looking for something
sports car-ish driving.
That's what the coupe does.
It instantly makes it a sports car.
Sure it does.
Right?
Right.
It is in Bellevue, Washington at Park Place LTD.
It is the all-wheel drive.
It's not the turbo, but regular coupe with 33,000 miles.
It is $64,950.
So hopefully a lot less than you were thinking
and look at that lovely hitch right on the back there.
So yes is the answer.
I think the coupe,
it's kind of a blend between sports car,
Blend Tech, will it blend?
It blends at sports car and kind of off-road-ish
taking the bike on the back,
the 300 pound dirt bike actually leaving it on there,
racks on there so that is just a traditional hitch.
And it's my understanding these towed somewhere
in the neighborhood of 6,000, 7,000 pounds,
somewhere in there.
So easy on that.
And yeah, you've got your raised sports car
for $64,000 with a hitch rack.
I think that's a great choice here.
I also had considered the BMW X5 Competition
because I know this is something
that will easily do that.
And you know what?
The X5, especially the M, drives kind of like a sports car.
Todd and I were always like,
why does a brick drive so well?
Well, it's a BMW and they forced it to drive well.
So it does have kind of a sports car,
a tiny bit of a sports car flavor in there.
But you know what is also interesting
and sort of like the coupe?
And that is the X6M.
I'm going to continue to say no.
No.
No, no.
Sorry.
Personal bias.
Sorry.
Merely an idea because you'll notice
there is no hitch on this one,
but StealthHitches.com does make a conversion kit
that you can put on this bad boy.
So if you're looking for, again,
more of the sports car shape,
that's why we, as a planet,
we went through the era of making all the SUVs
with a sloped rear backlight.
I don't think they've left that era,
unfortunately.
The sports car, the sports coupe, sports SUV.
You and I continually are baffled by it.
I know why they sell, I just think they shouldn't exist.
Again, it doesn't come with it.
That's why you want the X5,
but if you wanted the X6,
then you could go to StealthHitches
and get that conversion kit.
And I was thinking, oh, I've got it.
Tony, make your MDX Type-S.
I mean, it's got a motorsports derived engine.
Here is the SUV that doesn't drive like an SUV.
It's shockingly good.
It's excellent to drive MDX Type-S.
The problem is it doesn't have a hitch
and there's no solution in sight
from any manufacturer that I can tell.
Oh really, interesting.
So that's the unfortunate part there.
But as the crazy, crazy wild card,
I came up with the Mustang Mach-E rally.
Mm, okay.
StealthHitches does make a conversion kit for this one,
which could make this viable
because it's sport-ish, off-road.
It's rally sport.
It's in that kind of category.
So none of these are cars, but they all drive,
I mean, the Mustang least so,
but they kind of drive better
than you would suspect an SUV to drive.
So with a conversion kit on this,
you could be a one-of-one driving around
in your Mach-E rally with a dirt bike on the back,
kind of sport-ish, kind of off-road.
I mean, we're parked on some gravel and rocks.
There's dirt under the tires.
Some dirt under there.
So there's trees in the background.
Sport, rally, dirt bike, off-road.
But again, except for the MDX Type-S,
all the others do have a conversion kit
available from StealthHitches,
and you're going to have to call them
and find out what the weight-carrying limits are
on all of those just to make sure everything will fit.
But I think you've got some great choices.
I think the Cayenne coupe could be great.
It's got a sporty back.
It's like a sports car.
So therefore it's a sports car.
It's exactly like a sports car.
Same thing here.
It's got a sporty back.
Look, a wing.
It's gotta be a sports car.
Look.
Tony, I'm gonna go through your list,
but I also realized as I was going through my photos
that I forgot something earlier
and that was the current bottom of the brands.
Taking Rivian Spot is now Jeep,
which let's be honest, that is Jeep's direct competitor.
Jeep is at the bottom.
Sorry, I hate to circle back.
But anyway, we're gonna go to Tony.
We're gonna go to you and towing.
And you started here with the GR Corolla.
And I like this idea,
except for one little problem
that's visible in this photo.
I'm showing a rear three-quarter.
This car has three tailpipes.
And one of them, the biggest one,
is in the middle where you would normally put a hitch.
Bit of a problem.
That is an issue.
I also don't know what the suspension would deal with
on this having 300 pounds on the back,
but the biggest issue is the fact
that you have a center tailpipe to worry about.
Now I did some digging.
Yes, someone has done it.
They put on a dual-pipe aftermarket exhaust
and they put a tow hitch out of the back center port
because there was no longer a third exhaust pipe there.
So bodywork-wise, you could do it.
The interesting thing is that pretty much any car
you would like to have a hitch on,
somebody could find you one that will work.
You might end up cutting body panels
and that kind of stuff.
I still think this is a bit of a stretch for this car.
I just-
I think so, too.
There's too many changes to get you there,
but you've got the Golf R.
I'm showing a picture right now.
I specifically went for pictures
with bike racks on them.
I like it.
This is a Golf R.
I think this is a 7.5.
And you can actually see,
if you look at this photo,
there has actually been a well-machined cut
through the center back bumper to create the hitch point.
These exist.
Hitches like this exist.
I think the Golf R would be great.
I think you would enjoy driving it very much.
That would be an excellent choice here.
I have others like the Macan.
It's good.
Yeah.
A little bit smaller than the-
I mean, it's Porsche's hatchback.
We've talked about it many times.
This is the closest Porsche gets to selling a hatchback.
There are all kinds of hitches available.
Could absolutely tell your bike.
Could absolutely tell your dirt bike.
This would get this done.
I think this might be the right mid-size
you're looking for.
I mean, I'm not gonna fight you off the Cayenne or the X5.
I get it.
But I think the Macan might be the size you're hoping for
that still has the utility you need in towing.
So I'm wondering about the Macan there.
Moving on to the X3,
we are huge fans of the X3.
We've driven it a few times,
and it's just great.
Yeah, it is.
And it is kind of like the Macan.
It's kind of smaller size, a little bit right size.
Tons of hitches available for that.
Go for the X3.
A lot of engine.
Yes, for sure.
Fast.
Very fast.
My favorite, though,
I landed on after a little bit of digging around.
And it's so new that I can't show you a hitch photo,
but I can talk about the car
because I actually think I have your answer.
Really?
$60,000.
Get yourself the Ionic 5N.
Could you do a hitch?
This is a sports car.
This is a sports car.
That's how it drives.
Now, it is the size of a small SUV,
like the Macan, like the X3.
It's that size.
This drives as sporty as anything you're ever going to want.
This is going to feel like the other end of the spectrum
from the GLS you got out of.
But you have decent space.
You've got all-wheel drive.
This drives really, really well.
Now, to this point, I have not found anybody
that's put a hitch on one of these.
However, the standard Ionic 5, toes like crazy.
You can find pictures all over the place.
Bikes, dirt bikes, random little campers like this.
It has a decent toe rating.
I can't imagine I'm not an engineer.
I can't imagine that the Ionic 5N can handle nothing.
I mean, I realize the body work can handle nothing.
That's an issue that can be solved.
But the mechanics here are fundamentally the same.
Say that the standard Ionic has a couple thousand pound
toe rating.
The end's got to have something.
It's not zero, okay?
No, no.
So I don't have an answer for you there,
but I feel like-
Suspension is something-
It's a different animal.
It's a totally different animal.
It's a sports car, different suspension,
so we're not sure what we'll do there.
I don't know, but somebody's going to try it.
Somebody's going to try putting an actual
tail-mounted rack on the back of an Ionic 5N.
Again, the standard Ionic can do it.
So the 5N, that is my personal choice.
If it's interesting, you ended up in electric and so did I.
It's interesting.
Other options here, but Tony, I think Ionic 5N
would do sports car and would do utility
at a way I think that would surprise you.
That's good.
All right, Tony, thank you for writing.
Thank you for the tough choice, the tough debate here,
because it just got us thinking differently,
and we definitely welcome photos
when you figure out what you're buying
and write to us everydaydrivertvedgmail.com,
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Douglas writes to us with an existential car crisis.
He's in a painful car dilemma
and hoping that we can help before he loses his mind.
He's looking to downsize to one,
do-it-all car and need some advice.
He needs to upgrade from his loathsome Subaru outback.
His word, but interesting.
Okay, yeah.
He wrote this.
And his turbo Miata into one car that is fun to drive
and that can haul his two-year-old
and five-year-old kids and his wife.
Okay, so can do family duties, but must be fun.
Like loathsome Subaru outback.
That's a great word, by the way.
I don't hear that nearly enough.
It's excellent, yeah.
Douglas is in Michigan,
so this does not rule out snow tires in rear-wheel drive.
He says, and while he admires German brands,
he does not want to stand out in the neighborhood or at work.
Understand?
I'm gonna come back to that.
There's a lot of thoughts out there.
Are you gonna poke holes in that?
A little bit, yes.
Here we go, yes.
One thing Douglas is looking for
is a compromise car that could take a track day,
winter weather and a tow hitch.
There you go, there's, through line, I see it, good.
Needs to be automatic under about 30 to $35,000
and replace a really fun Miata
when it's just Douglas driving.
He's narrowed the list down to the Golf R,
7.5, maybe the 8, 7.5, and a Mustang GT.
He gives us a list of cars that are off the list.
Most people write to us and say,
here's the ones I'm considering.
Here's the cars that Douglas is not considering.
The G70 and Stinger, no tow and kinda boring.
CT4, Cadillac Blackwing, over $40,000.
The IS350 is boring.
The Chevrolet SS, too old, he writes.
Charger, scat pack, too heavy.
The Volkswagen Arteon is boring.
Cadillac ATSV, well, it's a little bit older right now,
but horrible interior.
And the WRX, he says, another CVT, please no.
Love it, good stuff.
I have some interesting choices for you here, Douglas.
At least when I was starting out on my thinking,
I thought I'd solved it.
Okay.
But I hadn't.
For the same reason you brought up the GR Corolla,
I thought, Integra Type S.
And then you'll see in the back,
it's got that tailpipe.
Dead center.
All of the tailpipes.
At least the Corolla's got three spread out.
At least it spreads.
The Type S has got all of the tailpipes
exactly where you wanna put a hitch.
I thought I'd solved it because, yeah,
well, I mean, it's manual, but still, again,
there's some flaws here,
but at least it's a starting place.
But the tow hitch is a real problem here
because they're gonna do some serious rerouting of things
or have a very hot, hot bike.
That's major.
My bike is so hard.
And then I thought, okay, what else does Zach have?
How about a TLX?
How about a TLX Type S?
Ooh, that'd be cool.
No solve immediately that I can find on the internet
for a hitch installation on this.
I'm sure there's something out there
automatic can take the family.
Yeah, that's great.
I like that.
Maybe, maybe.
The three and five year old, of course.
Yeah.
I don't know about the hitch.
The hitch, maybe not so much.
But I think I've solved hands down.
I think I have fully solved once and for all.
Okay.
Here it is.
Ooh, the Mini Countryman JCW.
Hopefully not the current one.
Not the current one, just go one gen back.
Got it, okay, yeah.
But here it is.
All right, yeah.
This is a cool, sporty looking thing.
You can put a hitch on the back
because Stealth Hitches actually makes a conversion
even for the JCW Mini Countryman.
The JCW has a lot more power.
And the promo photos from Mini,
not only do they show it,
slicing on a fun canyon here,
they show it on a track.
There you go, I like it.
Which to me means if a manufacturer shows their car
on track, SUV like an X5.
Just an endorsement, right?
Rolls Royce.
That means you can track it.
Here it is.
On the ring no less.
The Countryman JCW on track.
It's a sporty, fun little car.
It can take everybody.
It's automatic.
It's the JCW, so it's got the upgraded power.
It's got a lot of power.
Hitch on the back.
I think this is the all in one.
No, it's not a Miata,
but anytime somebody writes to us,
it needs to do a thing a Miata does.
Well, there's only one car that does what a Miata does.
Guess which one it is.
I mean, you can put a bike rack
on the back of your mountain.
We've seen it many times,
but you can't hold a family.
But the family, yeah, no go.
So here it is.
The Mini Countryman, one generation back.
JCW, Bob's your uncle, that's it.
Go shopping, auto-tempest.com, slash every day.
And I didn't take these photos.
I mean, Mini is promoting this on track.
The word country would suggest off-roading,
super outback, but no,
here it is on some great asphalt on track,
doing all the things, all in one.
It's a Mini.
You've done well.
You've done, plus you didn't do the current one.
You did the one, one back.
Well, I had to because it was, yeah.
I went to the Mini USA website.
I went, yeah.
Let's go one generation back.
I mean, it's still for sale.
I mean, if that's your jam, that's your jam.
You can go get one, but these are definitely
in the sweet spot for pricing, for doing it all.
Stealth hitches does have the conversion kit.
You can get it done.
And here's all the Minis on track.
I mean, they're just showing everything.
So this is my choice.
As I dive in here for Douglas,
I have to note two things.
Two things that were key in your email, Douglas.
One is, you said it has to replace
a really fun Miata when it's only you driving,
which is a tall order to have it do these other things.
And no German brands.
And then you said, what about a Volkswagen Golf R?
Well, that's true.
You did say that.
Which is a German brand.
You also are worried, you're actually,
you're also, and look, I don't know
what you do for a living.
You're in Michigan.
I don't know what perceptions you're struggling against,
but you're worried a little bit about perception.
But you brought up Cadillac.
You brought up Lexus.
And you have a Volkswagen in here.
So I kind of am ignoring your no German brands thing.
I'm admitting it because I think
if you buy the right car, it isn't flashy.
And I think you prove that with the Golf.
The Golf would work great for you.
The Golf R 7.5, excellent.
I think you would like that car for your needs.
It would do all the family stuff.
It is fun.
It's not Miata fun, but it is fun.
Let's move on though.
You talked about the Mustang.
The Mustang is only okay here.
You were talking about the new GT.
The thing you can't get around is this drives big.
It looks big.
And the steering is mute.
And you're coming from a Miata.
If you weren't coming from a Miata,
I think the Mustang might do this.
But you're coming from a Miata, which is about
body movement and steering feel and weight shift.
And this feels heavy and numb,
which is not the direction you want to go.
I mean, there's things to like here,
but that's not against a Miata.
So can't go Mustang.
You said Chevy SS too old.
No, sir.
No, sir.
Get a Chevy SS.
You walked right by the answer.
You went, yeah, it's too old.
No, it's not.
It's a Chevy.
I mean, it's a Chevy.
The hardest thing you're gonna trouble with on this
is body panels.
Well, sure.
But the lower price actually justifies it
because it's too old.
Well, prices come down a little bit.
Look, GM said it, and then I have agreed with it
because I thought, no, it can't possibly be.
That's marketing speak.
It's the four door Corvette.
This is, if you need it, if you want a Corvette,
but you have to have four doors.
This is exactly your car.
I was gonna say not a Malibu, but either will work.
Either way, that's what it's true.
But the reality is, look, this doesn't have
a super modern interior,
but it also doesn't have an offensive interior.
That's the problem you're having with the Cadillac
is you're going, oh, just, ah, the styling's not.
This is, I know this sounds good.
In this reality, this is bland enough
to not be offensive and actually not age as fast.
Okay?
And it has a better interior than the Malibus
and that stuff that Chevy was selling at the same time.
So while this is a 10 year old car,
I say run, don't walk and actually drive
and possibly buy the Chevy SS.
You want the automatic,
so you're gonna get the ones
that are gonna be more affordable anyway.
You're gonna love it when you're driving it by yourself.
It's got good actual GM power
and yes, you can haul the family, bike,
all of the above is there.
I didn't stop there though
because I think there's other options.
The Alpha Giulia, I have to bring up.
I'm under contract.
I'm not under contract, actually.
There's no such thing.
But the Alpha Giulia, I have to bring up.
Wait, what?
Did I miss that?
It's never happened.
Is it digital?
Nobody's ever paid us a thing to say anything.
Anyway, but look, I love the Alpha Giulia.
This is the fantastic dad car
that is amazing to drive
and does the dad things.
You can get in an all wheel drive
if you're worried about weather.
You could put a hitch on it.
I've got to mention the Alpha Giulia
but my answer for you
needs to replace the Miata for fun.
Needs to haul a bike.
Needs to have at least some back seats for the kids.
Is the first gen BMW M2.
You're right, I thought of this
because of our mutual friend Greg.
But he said no German brands.
But he then said Gulf.
That's true.
He said Volkswagen.
And he said Lexus.
So Todd kicked it open.
He said Lexus, he said Cadillac.
So the point I'm making here is,
I think that, and I don't know where you work
and I don't know what the perception is,
but if you're gonna show up in a Volkswagen
and all German cars are out,
you can't show up in a Volkswagen,
but you're considering it.
If you're gonna show up in a luxury brand
and you're worried about that perception,
but Lexus and Cadillac are on the thing,
you can't consider those either.
The reality of the M2 is, especially this older one,
don't get the new one, get the old one,
it's better looking anyway.
The reality of the M2 is,
this is one of those only if you know cars.
It's just an average BMW to the average person.
Yeah, it's got a BMW badge on it,
but we all know the BMW sell stuff
that lots of people have bought.
It's not a luxury brand at the bottom end.
It isn't.
So you buy an M2, I'm gonna even recommend
you get it in the gray or the black
because it goes super stealth when you go gray or black.
I love it in the blue.
The blue is amazing, yeah.
But get it in gray or black,
and then it's just a small-ish BMW sedan that you bought
and nobody's gonna know unless they are a car person.
That's true, it'll just be,
you got your two-door car right there
because it looks like a normal car.
Exactly, and the normal BMWs are the same price.
I mean, these kind of BMWs are the same price
as a loaded out lots of brands,
including like the Volkswagen's.
I think this could slip under the radar
unless there's like a major BMW bias somewhere.
I'm glad you brought it up because I thought M2
with a hitch-track.
I think the M2 gets it done, yes.
But no German brands, but you're right.
I think there's, except the doors open and I kicked it.
That happened for sure.
That's definitely the case.
Smashed through there, so that's excellent.
Really appreciate your email.
Thank you so much, Douglas, for writing,
yeah, write to us, everydaydriver.tvedgmail.com.
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Car inclusion number one comes to us
from Brian in New York and Florida
from episode 974.
You remember us talking about
the Mercedes SL55 replacement.
Brian, thank you for writing back.
He said, we both had great suggestions
for replacing his 2005 SL55 AMG,
ranging from Aston's to Maserati's to BMW's.
That sounds like us.
It does.
And Maserati was first on his list,
but fell off after he chatted with his neighbor
that owns one, who owns one.
You know it's bad when you talk to owners of the car,
do you leave the coverage with the owner thinking,
I can't get one of those.
But the reason is not what you think.
He says it's because Maserati's apparently
downsizing the number of dealers
and the local service might be a challenge.
And so if you don't service it frequently,
you perpetuate what people did with Maserati's
and that is pass along the service to the next owner
and then they were never serviced and became terrible.
So.
You never did that, did you?
No.
No, of course not.
Me, no.
Yeah, got it.
He also liked the idea of the E93 M3
that is the V8 retractable hard top.
It's very cool, yeah.
But the BMW 840 rose to the top for him.
I mean, cool car, but yeah.
I'd take a Maserati that is well maintained
over an 840 that is.
It is a bit of a dice roll.
It's a bit of a dice roll.
His wife loves the BMW 430 and 440s
even with the beaver teeth.
So that also rose to the top of the list.
After debating it for some time,
they had a change in focus.
Driving back and forth from Syracuse to Florida
was beginning to wear on them.
So they decided to stop driving and start flying.
Okay, which means they aren't going to take the car down.
They've got to have a car there.
That led to the search for their car
to leave in Florida and shelve the AMG replacement search.
After they drove a number of SUVs,
they settled on a Volvo XC90 Ultimate Recharge T8.
That's the end of the words after Volvo.
Yeah.
He still has the AMG and looks forward
to continuing to drive for now,
hopefully with no major issues.
In the meantime, he can't complain
about the XC90's turbo, the supercharged
two-liter engine combined with the electric power
getting 455 horsepower, 523 pound-feet of torque.
You can smoke everybody at the light.
It's so great.
Somewhere there was a Volvo planning meeting.
They were like, what's all the technologies
that engines come with?
Can we just put it all on one?
Can we just, you're the supercharger people.
You're the turbo people.
You're the hybrid people.
I have an internal combustion engine.
Let's just all get along.
Let's build it all.
The visionary.
Could he just put it all on one?
Maybe.
There were different pitches that they were like,
let's have all of that.
It's amazing, yeah.
Apparently it comes in at the 11.15 weight
to horsepower ratio, so it's just under the 12.
Yeah, that's good.
Very good.
It says it feels like a cool sleeper at the red lights.
That's right.
You can just, people are not ready for you.
Nope.
Even though the purpose shifted,
he says thanks for the input.
Really appreciate it, Brian.
Thank you for writing.
Congratulations on the car.
And yeah, right back when you're shopping
for the next SL55 replacement,
you really want to get it done.
There you go.
Paul C. also writes to us, it took him a while
to put this conclusion together.
He comes from episode 941 where he mistakenly
wrote that he drives 85,000 miles a year
and kind of blew our minds.
That stopped us.
We were like, you do what now?
Yeah.
He meant to say 85,000 miles in two years.
Still a lot of mileage.
Which is still a lot.
It's not like, oh, you don't drive much
and all anymore, Paul.
It's just, yeah, okay.
He was doing the voice recording on his phone,
so it transcribed incorrectly.
But when he sold his Mazda CX-50,
it had 90,000 miles on it.
And it was barely two years old.
I mean, that's what we're talking about, yeah.
He says the current stable now includes
his first car and still owns that 1969 Z28.
A 69 Firebird convertible will be his daughter someday.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Hang on, I have to stop right there.
I made a note.
You have, Paul, a 1969 Z28.
Yeah.
You have a very similar car
in a 1969 Firebird convertible.
You say will be your daughter someday.
And I'm going to ask the question,
for your sanity, for your wife's sanity,
and for your daughter's sanity, does she want that car?
Oh.
Does she want it?
If she does, she's like, dad, that's so cool.
I don't know how old she is.
I don't know, I don't remember.
I mean, but maybe she's reached a place
where she's like, I'd love to have that car
and that's why it's gonna be your daughter's car.
Maybe.
But I'm worried about, this is dad going,
that's my little girl's car.
And I just, I feel like when parents thrust a car
they love, onto the child they love.
There's a conflict there if the kid's not all about it.
I mean, maybe.
Maybe, maybe she is.
But I just, I read that like, this is my plan.
And I'm sitting here going, has she heard?
Has your wife heard?
What if she doesn't want it?
I'm just trying to save you fights.
That's all I'm trying to do.
Just save you the fight.
If she wants it, you know, blessings and awesome
and keep it for her, that's amazing.
And a really cool car for your daughter to drive
is a 1969 Firebird convertible, awesome.
If she doesn't want it, I'm gonna suggest that's okay.
Anyway, moving on.
We'll say yes for now.
Yes, we'll say it.
Well, let's hope she does.
Let's hope it's, she's already like yelling
at the speakers and going, I love that car.
I want it, but I'm not certain that's the case.
Paul sent photos.
Here's how he stacks those cars in the garage.
You can see him right back here.
Yes.
On the stacker in the garage.
He's also got that CT4 black wing
that is his weekend fun and track car.
And now the new work car, which is a 2025 BMW M240i.
Again, with the hitch through line.
And the mammoth bumper sticker on it too.
I love that.
Yeah, for sure.
He says, because his company took so long
to get back to him regarding their final conclusion
on what the work stipulations were for cars
in order to receive a tax-free reimbursement,
things were rushed at the end of the year.
He was all set.
And he says he wanted to go with our response
from episode 941 to go with a Volvo V60.
The problem in California seems to be no one has them.
He finally found one in the Bay Area, was ready to buy,
but still had no resolution from his company.
So upon hearing the car did actually have
to be over $53,000.
That ruled out replacing his CX50 with a hybrid CX50.
So he had to laugh when he told the sales team
that it just didn't cost enough.
I like it, but could you, well, forget it.
Amazing.
The majority of his research was done online,
but he did get in some test drives
and the special note was that test drive of the M240i,
says was concerning and frustrating
because during the test drive of a used car,
while getting onto the freeway and hitting the gas,
his wife's first reaction to a funny noise was,
is that the turbo?
The moment when the salesman head
just drops at the back seat like, oh no.
Same time, he was thinking to himself,
oh no, he's mazed us faster than this.
And the sales person in the back seat was quiet
and then finally said he'd have maintenance, check it out.
Yeah, that's not working right.
He went down multiple rabbit holes
and various flights of fancy in his decision-making process,
but he was able to get some additional track days
in that black wing, which is pretty cool,
and made him think, what if at some point
he could get a work car that could double
as a track car, like that?
Yeah, he says he actually thinks
that the black wing is a great track car.
It does.
In fact, at Hooked On Drive
we have the Cadillac V-Club come to many of our events
and the number of black wings on track
when they show up, they all are showing up
in black wings and loving it, which is very cool.
So you're right, it does.
But he said it has a bit of a consumables problem,
which I think is kind of funny
because he was thinking about maybe he'd get a GR86,
he looked at that for a bit,
but he eventually found his way back
to the BMW M240i.
And I will say that the BMWs are not known
for not having high track consumables,
but at least this is probably
a little bit smaller car than your black wing.
He says he's now driven his 2025
Brooklyn Gray M240i for 11 months.
He already has over 42,000 miles on it.
Wow, you're having a big year.
His long guys work are much more fun now.
And even though he finds himself
at least a couple of times looking for weights
to fit in favorite back roads when working home,
he says the car has even been at Laguna Seca
during an HOD track day,
which is pretty cool, back in March.
He says the short wheelbase is great fun on the track
and he was able to put down a great time,
147 just over a second off his best time
in the black wing.
Wow, that's impressive.
So apparently our suggestions
help open up the world to him of BMW.
So he says when this has really high miles,
look forward to another car debate in the future.
Won't be long as fast he puts miles on it.
That's just amazing.
I love that you're driving it hard
and driving it a lot though.
I mean, and I love that it's holding up.
I mean, BMW is at the top of the list
from Consumer Reports.
So here you go, you chose wisely.
Would have never expected that BMW would be there,
but that's what the current reporting is.
That's just crazy.
A reminder that next Monday
we are doing a live podcast.
We're not gonna do any questions on this podcast
because that will be all questions.
I want you guys to just be ready with all the questions.
They go so fast, it's really nuts.
We're gonna do it live, it's gonna be very cool.
But I am gonna do a short, Did You See This?
Okay, cool.
And it is a little bit off kilter
because I talk about the film industry a lot
when I do the Did You See This
or what TV shows you're watching.
And I'm not actually talking about a show
or a movie right now
even though there's some I could discuss from recently.
I'm gonna discuss something going on in the industry
that is very surprising.
And maybe you've read past this in the last week
and you've read past this news and gone,
oh, that's interesting.
But I wanna make it land, okay?
The film industry is shrinking.
Okay, that's not news to anybody.
The film industry is shrinking.
It's going through a lot of turmoil,
a lot of stuff's going on.
I'm not gonna bore you with all of that reality.
But in the process of it shrinking,
you have a few major studios that make everything, right?
And most of those studios either feed the direct,
like HBO Max makes HBO stuff
and you see HBO stuff on HBO Max, okay?
Netflix makes their own stuff, right?
Some people feed their own streaming service.
Some people are feeding every streaming service, okay?
But a place like Apple TV,
like if you watch stuff on Apple,
that's not produced by Apple.
It's produced by Warner Brothers or Sony
or whoever and it sells it to Apple.
That's the production studio.
So there's four or five major studios in Hollywood
which if there were 30,
there'd be a lot of places to take a movie.
Really just four or five?
Seems like there should be more.
And the problem is they've been shrinking
over the years, okay?
So like Columbia TriStar is merged
and that's owned by Sony.
That's been a long time ago.
Like Fox is now part of Disney.
Fox used to be separate and now part of Disney.
So there's been consolidation going on.
That's been the story in Hollywood for a while.
You may have already heard that Paramount has new owners.
Larry Ellison, one of the billionaires of the world.
His son who runs Skydance Productions now owns Paramount.
You've probably heard that that's been in the news a lot.
They've been looking to swallow up something else, okay?
In the process of looking to swallow up something else,
they got their eyes on Warner Brothers
because Warner Brothers has not had a good few years.
And I feel connected to Warner Brothers
because we were the sister company at New Line
when I worked there
and then New Line got absorbed into Warner Brothers.
So I feel a connection to Warner Brothers.
So I don't know people that still work there.
So that suggested Warner Brothers was for sale.
Warner Brothers is storied, one of the best.
Did they put themselves up for sale?
Essentially, they were taking offers
over the last couple of months.
They've been taking offers, which is amazing
because that means depending upon who buys it,
what does that do to the industry?
Warner Brothers, it's been announced,
is being bought by Netflix.
Netflix, now the way I wanna make this land is,
Netflix is a phenomenon.
Netflix is valued way above.
Netflix is valued compared to the other studios
like Tesla is valued compared to car companies.
I'm connecting the dots here to cars.
It's the same kind of thing.
Netflix is valued as the rule breaker, the disruptor,
and so it's worth all this money
and has been wildly successful
and done a lot of off-kilter things and worked.
But the key thing about Netflix is
they don't license stuff to anybody else.
They keep it all in-house,
all the stuff they own, they keep only for them.
They don't send it anywhere else.
You can't see a Netflix show anywhere else but Netflix.
And they staunchly refuse to put movies in theaters.
So Netflix is buying Warner Brothers,
home of Batman, Lord of the Rings.
Think about where this is going.
Holy cow.
Superman.
Holy cow.
Friends.
I mean it's all the DC.
But friends is under Warner Brothers,
which is likely is a lot of places now.
So this begs lots of questions no one has answered yet.
Are they gonna license other people?
I'll give you a weird one.
A lot of the Apple shows,
this is a competing streaming service, Apple.
Okay, but a lot of the Apple shows
are produced by Warner Brothers.
So is Netflix not going to allow
a Warner Brothers produced show
to now play exclusively on Apple
because Netflix now owns it?
This is a quagmire.
Now there's discussions that Netflix
is going to allow traditional Warner Brothers movies
to continue to get like big tent poles
that would have been Warner Brothers theatrical things
will still come out in theaters.
But theaters don't want to play Netflix movies
because Netflix has always been so adversarial to theaters
and just gone theaters don't matter
where it's just about what plays at home.
Which is the foundation of their business.
I get it.
Exactly, exactly.
So I'm mentioning this,
you may have read lots of things about it,
you may have read nothing about it,
but if you read past a headline and passing like,
oh, Netflix bought Warner Brothers, that's cool.
I saw the combined logo today
and it kind of gave me chills
because what this means is unknown,
but it means that Warner Brothers now owns
a huge library of properties
that if they decide to pull it all home
and keep it all on Netflix,
it's going to reduce opportunity
and it's going to reduce things in the theater
and they're going to have a massive monopoly
on their hands of the stuff they can only play.
Think all HBO shows of all time,
they could, you could maybe now only find them
on Netflix.
About HBO, wow, of all time.
That would mean what?
Friends, Seinfeld.
Game of Thrones too?
Of the Warner Brothers produced NBC stuff
would now be Netflix's library.
This is a big shift, it's a big change.
I don't know what it means,
it's not a have you seen this,
like have you seen this show,
but have you seen this happening?
It's not car related, I'm sorry about that,
but this is news, this is news that hits me
because I think about my history as a filmmaker,
my history in Hollywood and I'm just like,
that is a change.
I see that and definitely related to cars
because we see stuff all the time
that car manufacturers are doing
that we think, well, that'll make every car
just drive like every other car.
There's no, where's the boundary?
It's just a blurring of lines
whereas Volkswagen's investment in Rivian and Scouts
and the same 10-speed transmission
in the Mustang GTD and Corvette ZR1.
Well, does that mean they're just,
no, they program them differently
and they're different architecture of course
and there's differences,
but for all the other, hey, we're sharing technology,
Honda, GM, all these things that we hear like,
well, does that mean just there's going to be car
back to car?
It's just car.
We're just making car
and now I guess Netflix is just making content.
So we'll see where it goes.
Movie, the name of our new movie is movie.
New from Netflix show.
We at Netflix make movie and show.
Movie is longer, show is shorter.
We're also going to make shorts.
We're going to make movie, show and shorts.
I'm a little horrified, but that's my, did you see this?
But again, it's TBD.
There's all these questions and no answers.
Yes.
Kind of like a concept car.
We're bringing it all back around.
Anyway, we have so many questions about the Toyota
and no answers.
We just have to wait.
Uh-huh, yeah.
Okay. Speaking of waiting,
we'll see you guys live next Monday.
We're very excited about that
to do one in this studio with a live thing.
It's going to be very cool.
Rapid fire questions.
We promise it will be mostly about cars,
but we are taking all questions.
For sure.
We're looking forward to it.
As always, thanks for watching.
Cheers, everyone.
About this episode
A lively discussion kicks off with a big announcement about an upcoming live podcast. The hosts reflect on their recent $12,000 used car comparison, highlighting fun options like the Fiesta ST. They dive into exciting Toyota news regarding the GR GT and LFA EV, emphasizing Toyota's commitment to performance. The episode also touches on the latest Consumer Reports rankings, revealing surprising shifts in brand reliability. The hosts tackle listener questions about car choices, including practical family vehicles that maintain driving fun, and share their thoughts on the evolving automotive landscape.
Each year, Consumer Reports publishes their findings on best new and used cars, SUVs and trucks. The guys take the new data and see if CR’s results matches their experiences, and they’re surprised by some discoveries. For Tony S., they debate vehicles that could potentially have a hitch rack semi-permanently installed - but he wants something sporty too. Then, Doug in MI is having an existential car crisis because he needs one do-it-all car for nearly every category of driving. Car conclusions cover an ultimate sleeper for Brian in NY, and a discovery for Paul C., who got a dynamic company commuter car that’s also good for track use!
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00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Under $12K Film, Now Playing!
03:55 - Toyota GR GT + Lexus LFA Worldwide Reveal!
11:44 - JLR Creative Director Gerry McGovern Fired
14:31 - Porsche Admires Hyundai
15:44 - Toyota Sienna Minivan Hoon
19:32 - Topic Tuesday: Which Cars Are The Best Cars?
36:01 - Hooked On Driving December 2025 + Teaser 2026
37:21 - Car Debate #1: The Permanent Rack
50:41 - Car Debate #2: Existential Car Crisis
1:01:18 - Car Conclusion #1: The Ultimate Sleeper
1:04:16 - Car Conclusion #2: Goth Girlfriends Rock!
1:10:17 - Did You See This?
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