Everyday Driver Car Debate Dec 9, 2025

Which Cars Are The Best Cars, An Existential Car Crisis, Goth Girlfriends Rock | Episode 1,024

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Car

Ford Fiesta ST

The Ford Fiesta ST is a sportier version of the regular Fiesta, designed to be more fun to drive. It's small and nimble, making it great for city driving and twisty roads.

Car

Toyota GR GT

The Toyota GR GT is a new sports car from Toyota's performance division, designed for speed and excitement. It's part of their effort to create high-performance vehicles.

Car

Lexus LFA

The Lexus LFA is a supercar made by Lexus, known for being very fast and having a unique design. It was made in limited quantities and is highly regarded among car enthusiasts.

Term

EV

An EV, or electric vehicle, runs on electricity instead of gasoline. This makes them better for the environment and can save money on fuel.

Term

GT3 racing is a type of car racing where modified versions of regular sports cars compete against each other. It's popular among car manufacturers because it allows them to show off their cars' speed and performance.

Term

FI GT3 rules

The FI GT3 rules are guidelines that tell car manufacturers how to modify their cars for racing in GT3 events. These rules help keep the competition fair and safe for all drivers.

Term

hybridized V8

A hybridized V8 means the car has a V8 engine that also uses electric power. This helps it save fuel and be more environmentally friendly while still being powerful.

Term

twin turbo

Twin turbo means the engine has two turbochargers that help it produce more power. This makes the car faster and more efficient.

Term

horsepower

Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. More horsepower usually means the car can go faster.

Term

halo car

A halo car is a really impressive car that a company makes to show off what they can do. It's meant to attract customers and make the brand look good.

Car

Mercedes-Benz AMG GT

Car

Toyota Supra

The Supra is a popular sports car made by Toyota. It's known for being fast and is often modified by car enthusiasts to improve its performance.

Term

torque

Torque measures how much twisting force an engine can produce. It's important for how quickly a car can accelerate and how well it can pull heavy loads.

Term

electric motor

An electric motor is a part of electric cars that uses electricity to make the car move. It replaces traditional engines that run on gasoline.

Concept

GT3 class racing

GT3 class racing is a type of car racing where different brands can race their modified street cars. It's known for being competitive and includes famous races like the 24 Hours of Spa.

Term

weight distribution

Weight distribution is how the weight of a car is balanced between the front and back. A car with 45% weight in the front and 55% in the back can handle differently than one with a different balance.

Car

Toyota Gt

The Toyota GT is a sports car made by Toyota that focuses on high performance and exciting driving experiences. It's designed to be fast and fun to drive.

Car

Toyota Sienna

Term

high performance vehicle

A high performance vehicle is a car that is built to go faster and handle better than regular cars. They usually have powerful engines and special features that make them fun to drive.

Car

Dodge Viper

The Dodge Viper is a fast sports car made by Dodge. It's famous for its strong engine and unique look, making it popular among car enthusiasts.

Car

Porsche 911

Brand

Mercedes-AMG

Mercedes-AMG makes faster and sportier versions of regular Mercedes cars. They focus on performance and luxury, making them popular among car enthusiasts.

Company

Pagani

Pagani is a brand that makes very expensive and fast sports cars, known for their special designs and technology.

Brand

Lexus

Lexus is a brand that makes luxury cars, which are designed to be very comfortable and have lots of features.

Car

Land Rover Range Rover

The Land Rover Range Rover is a high-end SUV that is both stylish and capable of going off-road. It's often seen as a standard for luxury in the SUV market.

Brand

Lincoln

Lincoln is a brand that makes luxury cars and SUVs. They focus on providing a comfortable and high-tech driving experience.

Car

Land Rover

Land Rover is a brand that makes high-end SUVs designed for both off-road and on-road driving. They are known for their luxury and performance.

Car

Porsche Taycan

Car

Hyundai i5N

The Hyundai i5N is a sporty electric car made by Hyundai. It's designed to be fun to drive and has special features for better performance.

Car

Hyundai i6N

The Hyundai i6N is also a sporty electric car from Hyundai, designed to be exciting to drive, just like the i5N.

Term

International Scouts

Car

Ford Mustang GTD

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Hey, guys.

Happy Tuesday.

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We're thrilled to have you with us.

Big announcement right up front.

Next week's podcast will be live in the studio.

We'll be live.

It'll be questions only from you guys.

It'll be rapid fire.

Those always fly by.

That'll be super rapid fire.

So keep in mind, this is Tuesday.

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We will announce the times.

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We'll do an all-live podcast.

We'd love to have you here for it live.

And then, of course, it will release on all the audio

formats the next day.

But just letting you know that's happening.

Other announcements.

Have you seen it yet?

Have you seen our biggest comparison of the year,

the $12,000 used car piece?

There's things to say here.

But it's very fun.

We had a lot of fun making this piece, guys.

Thank you for watching.

Please pass it on to friends.

It got us thinking about what are fun cars out there

that are 12K and under because you watched that $8,000,

under $8,000 piece from what?

Three years ago, three or four years ago now.

And that has just really resonated with all of you.

So thank you for that.

So this is under $12,000.

Like I said, pass that along.

But we had a lot of fun making it.

And there's a ton of cars that we could have included

in the piece, some that didn't show up like a TTE,

others that, you know what?

We've covered those before, like GT86s and that kind of thing.

Specifically, did bring the 86.

We know they fit.

But it was deliberate choice.

But it hopefully got everybody thinking about and shopping.

For sure, yes.

But thinking about what stuff is out there

and so many people are loving the Fiesta ST.

We love that car.

It's not revelatory.

It was just fun to rediscover it.

And I think that's with all the comments,

it was sort of like, yeah, we know the Fiesta ST is fun.

Like, yeah, we know that too.

But once again, it was fun to rediscover it

and redrive all of these cars.

So again, thank you for watching.

The link is here.

So in the top right corner of your screen.

And yeah, pass that along.

Hopefully you enjoy it and watch it again.

Thank you guys.

Yes, for sure.

One thing I want to add on this that's very funny

is thank you for all the comments,

all the amazing comments on that piece.

Thank you for sharing it, passing it along

and watching it a lot.

Some of you are sending us photos.

Have you watched them on the big screen?

That's what's intended.

So thank you for that.

I also want to pause here on how we do these

for one quick second and talk about one thing.

And that is, I'm loving to see all the comments

about why didn't you guys bring whatever.

But there's this weird misconception out there

when you fought this battle for us since the beginning.

It's weird misconception that if we as automotive journalists

would like to put a bunch of cars together,

there's just a parking lot somewhere

of those cars available.

They just exist.

They just, we'll just go get the exact one we need

with the exact spec we need.

We'll get it right now.

That not only is that not true with new cars,

it gets harder and harder as the cars get used.

So once you guys know right up front,

we want to do more of these.

We love this format.

We want to do more of these.

We're excited about them.

We're glad you are too.

But we started with a list of 12 cars,

hoping to get six on camera.

The five we ended up with, I'll be honest with you,

some of those five were like a,

yeah, we should include that car.

Sure.

It wasn't that has to be there.

Some of the has to be there.

We could never find one that was available for our shoot.

So we actually go out all over our local area,

which again is Assault Lake area.

We're looking for all of the 12 cars on the list,

hoping to get six.

The morning we filmed, we had six

and then the TT didn't show up

and suddenly we had a five car shoot.

Well, there's always caveats about,

well, what about this?

Could squeak in like, yeah, maybe we should include that.

So it would be 12 to 15 cars.

That's a huge undertaking.

So it's more representative,

even though you guys have had many great ideas

about which cars should have been included.

But many of the ideas you've come up with,

we're on our list, we had a 12 list

and we had like the nine really chase those lists

and it was the six we hope we get

and then it was five that actually went on camera.

So please understand, we love doing these,

but there's no like,

well, I'll just pull out my wish list

and I'll grab the six best cars possible

that match that.

The cars are all in my neighbor's driveway.

They're all next door.

We have them at a barn somewhere.

So that's the fight.

But anyway, thank you guys for watching it.

We have to move on to big, big Toyota news.

Huge news.

It's very exciting news.

We watched last week,

the reveal of the Toyota GR GT.

We've been talking about it

and discussing it for a long time.

It was a Goodwood Festival of Speed

over the summer of 2025

and the new Lexus,

they're reusing the nomenclature LFA,

but it's an LFA EV

which is fine with us.

But we watched the reveal last week

and came away as blown away,

I think as all of you are,

not just by the specs,

but by the car itself

and the exciting news that Toyota

is investing in this market.

They're pushing it forward.

And I think by having these cars,

they're putting all the other car makers on notice.

Like, this is cool.

They're gonna make money.

Putting the effort that they did

and it will reap rewards.

You can go GT3 racing.

The FI GT3 rules is what they followed here.

Offer into that segment

and I think other car manufacturers

are already sitting back going,

huh, maybe that's something we should revisit.

I mean, we'll see.

Toyota is unique in the fact that Accio Toyota,

he wants to do good to drive cars

and not all of the CEOs

or people high up at any of these car companies

is that their focus.

They wanna make cars they can sell

hundreds of thousands of,

which means five seats.

The letter T?

Starting with the letter T?

Possibly, that was a shot.

This is really interesting

because we're talking about a twin turbo hybridized V8,

somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 horsepower,

somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000.

This is a big halo car moonshot for Toyota.

They have the hybrid background.

They're gonna do a race car.

I mean, you see in the photo here,

the car looks, I gotta be honest, it looks big.

It looks-

It does look big.

AMG GT kind of big.

Like last gen AMG GT.

That's what we're hearing.

Which it looks like you crossed that with a Supra

and you got this thing.

It also looks really low and wide.

It almost looks like you laid a deck of cards on the table.

It's like that looks like,

and then okay, I'll put a little bit of a cabin on top of it.

I mean, that's what it looks like.

Just a tiny greenhouse on top of the deck of cards.

Yes, deck of cards is what it looks like.

Yeah, that's good.

I mean, this will probably be really cool to drive.

I suspect the power is gonna be awesome

and it is cool looking,

but it feels big in photos.

Even the guy walking around the stage.

And I thought the Lexus looked swoopy and really cool.

This looks almost utilitarian.

Like we have a job to do.

I mean, that's good.

Yeah, I wanna see it in a color, but this is a big car.

What we know so far, it is a four liter twin turbo V8 hybrid.

Turbo's in the hot V front mid engine.

You can see that reflected in the architecture here.

At least, again, all we're hearing,

this could all change.

But what we're hearing right now,

at least 641 horsepower and 627 foot pounds of torque

with an eight speed automatic transaxle.

And in EV, the electric motor replaced in the torque converter.

So right at the engine,

battery above the transaxle in the rear,

here is the GT3 version of that.

And what we're also hearing is the GT3 version came first,

which is always good news when the race car comes first.

And then let's build the street car out of the race car.

That's a whole heck of a lot easier,

but it also just bodes well

for GT3 class racing in general.

Aluminum chassis, entirely new,

designed for the GT3 version here.

And a 45 to 55 weight distribution.

Here is the Lexus version of that to LFA,

so they're bringing that nomenclature back.

This looks even better than the Toyota, I think.

It does, I agree.

This looks like, this is the right design on that.

Yeah, it really is.

It really looks amazing.

So interestingly, what we're hearing is

the Toyota GT and the GT3 will be sold

through Lexus dealers.

We're hearing new information here.

And that is because when you buy something this expensive,

this halo of a car,

you want a higher level of customer support and service

rather than buying a $200 plus thousand car

next to a Sienna minivan.

I think it could work

because this is not being positioned as a luxury vehicle.

It's positioned as a high performance vehicle,

which is what the Toyota brand is all about.

So I think it could work,

but if it's through a Lexus dealer, fine with me.

Interesting.

Here's the GT and the GT3 together.

Very interesting.

The back of it, I think the styling works so well.

Back looks amazing.

I actually think the back

is the best angle on this car right now.

Yeah, it's excellent.

And then we've got a few more photos here

just showing the packaging, which is quite interesting.

So you can see that front mid-engine layout here,

passenger in the center,

and they kindly indicated the center of gravity.

So right here in the car,

so it's right at your knees.

Right below the steering wheel, essentially, yeah.

Yeah, right below the steering wheel.

So they're indicating a 45 to 55 weight distribution

for this car, which is pretty ideal.

And you can kind of see center of rotations,

CG right there in the middle, which is cool.

I'm gonna say something controversial.

This looks like it could be the next gen Viper.

That's no bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, but think about

the Viper's perception. The size.

The size perception of the Viper.

Now granted, I've juxtaposed this before.

The current 911 is as long as a Viper.

It doesn't seem like it.

Doesn't seem like it.

The Viper over time has gotten smaller in perception,

but this looks like somebody sat down and designed

what is the updated version of the Viper,

and it has that feel about it to me.

And the Viper is related to the AMG GT.

I mean, they all have a similar kind of feel to them,

long nose, et cetera, but yeah, anyway.

Moving on to the chassis.

So you can see this is brand new,

developed by Toyota, designed for the GT3 cars.

You can see the transaxle out back,

and you can see just from the image here,

looks really wide and low.

I'm so excited to drive hopefully both of these,

both the Toyota version and the EV Lexus version.

This, I love that Toyota is doing this.

I cannot believe it, I cannot believe it truly,

but I love that they are.

So a few photos from the interior,

and you might say that it looks a little bit bland

at first glance, but keep in mind,

this is a purposeful car for the Toyota version.

This is not being positioned or even sold

as the luxury GT Cruiser.

The 911 could be accused of having

kind of a boring looking interior.

Fair.

I've read the Mercedes AMG, it's cool,

big screen, a lot of buttons,

but what are we looking for, I suppose?

Okay, fair point.

Does it have to be crazy Pagani-like

to feel super car-like,

or would you rather have a purpose-built environment here?

The Lexus will look, I think,

pretty interesting, pretty driver-focused,

but we're hearing pricing based

on what current GT3 cars cost.

That's all we know right now.

And the seats, very purposeful.

This looks really cool.

I wanna see one, I wanna drive one.

I love that Toyota and Accio Toyota

even spoke at that reveal,

and I love that he has gone all in

because look what it's done to both of these brands.

Everybody's talking about Toyota and Lexus,

and the fact that this Toyota,

Halo car would be sold at Lexus,

that is huge news, that is getting

everybody talking about it,

and so it makes you want to have a piece of this

by going and buying a GR product or a Lexus.

I guess, yeah.

Sort of like, I've gotta,

I kinda relate to it,

because this is where Toyota's going

with their entire lineup.

So very cool.

It's very cool.

Very interesting, and again, pricing could change.

Everything is here, say, right now.

Everything could change.

There's no details posted,

and they're saying it's a 2027 vehicle,

so hopefully introduced in 2026, mid-2026,

hopefully at some point in first drives,

and it's for the recreational track driver.

So if we're hooked on driving drivers,

it's for GT3 class racing,

and the Lexus, I mean, what a sexy,

looking, cool, modern, this is automotive,

this is motoring in the future.

I love that.

Yeah, I can't believe they've done it.

I'm very excited about it.

A bit more news, a little bit old at this point

about a Jaguar, well, I mean,

we've heard specifically that Jerry McGovern,

the head of design, has been fired.

He was friends with Rotan Tata,

who passed away last year,

and so when you don't have any more champions

than the company that believe in you

and had a lot of pushback from the public.

Excellent way to put it, I was gonna say,

well, the public is not loving what's going on.

Unconvinced.

Excellent.

He was convinced the public was not.

That's a shirt I want, I want hashtag unconvinced.

Those of you making T-shirts for us, pay attention.

I wanna have this profile,

and I want over the long hood, hashtag unconvinced.

There's just that, that is the,

I wanna wear that, that we should do,

because hopefully this firing kills this car,

and hopefully it creates a-

Hopefully.

You know what I really hope this is?

I hope this is Jaguar's new Coke moment.

Because Coca-Cola was like,

Coca-Cola was like, we're gonna do new Coke,

you're gonna love it, they brought out new Coke

and everybody went, what is this swill?

And they filled up their cars with all the old Coke,

and I remember all the news stories

when I was growing up, I mean, I'm dating myself,

but still, it landed with such a thud

and Coke had made a big deal about,

this is our new direction, like we're not looking back,

this is our new direction, just like Jaguar.

Actually, and then the response to the public was so bad,

they were like, Coca-Cola classic.

I bet you, this is their new Coke moment.

I hope it is, I hope what comes next from Jaguar

were like, that's a Jaguar.

I guess in modern terms, it's their

cracker barrel moment, so they're-

Possibly, yeah?

We were just kidding moment.

You know what?

I respect Jerry McGovern's styling, his eye,

and what it did for Land Rover, for the Ranges.

Because that is a slab-sided vehicle

that really evokes luxury, and anytime

any SUV manufacturer is designing something new,

I think they're looking at Ranges.

Lincoln did, and they're successful.

Lincoln looked at those and went, you know what?

Ranges.

Interesting.

That's a luxury high-end, the tone was set

by Jerry McGovern.

You're right, I mean, I will say,

what he did to the Land Rover Range Rover styling

is like refine what they were already doing,

and what's interesting is if you put a picture,

we don't have one, but if you put a picture

of the current loaded Land Rover

above this Jaguar concept, you go,

of course, that's the same guy.

And I've always thought that the current Land Rover

is about as far towards slabs as they could go,

and that we found them too far.

It works.

We found too far.

This was the bridge too far.

We overcorrected, everyone.

There was the 2002 or 2003 when Jerry McGovern

briefly worked for Ford Lincoln Mercury,

and came up with the MK9 concept

that we'll put up briefly on screen.

Here it is.

And we're moving on from that

because I was never a fan of that car.

I'm not putting it on screen here,

but we're noting a trend.

Yikes.

So yes, moving on from that.

A bit of other news here about Porsche

introducing a virtual transmission into their EVs,

starting with the Taycan, it's understanding,

because Porsche apparently is super impressed

with Hyundai's i5N, and so they liked the shift points

that Hyundai had introduced

and made it more interesting to drive.

And so I think we're gonna be seeing

virtual transmissions from Porsche here shortly,

in whatever EVs they do next.

How much celebration has quietly gone on at Hyundai

when they read that Porsche bought one of their products

to check out how they did it?

There is probably no more engineering endorsement

on the planet for a car maker than Porsche bought one.

That's a great point.

And this also, frankly, it elevates,

should elevate Hyundai even further

in the eyes of enthusiasts,

that Porsche is looking at Hyundai?

And impressed enough to kind of-

Five years ago?

Do their own thing, yeah.

That was like the start of a joke

at your local cars and coffee.

Oh yeah, Porsche is looking at Hyundai.

No, they're not.

That's a great point.

Porsche is looking at the i5N and the i6N

and going, how'd they do this?

The shift points is what made us fall in love

with the i5N.

That's very cool, yeah.

You've gotta talk briefly about the Toyota Sienna

minivan that we just had over the Thanksgiving break

and I think you enjoyed hauling the family right on that.

I put all the people in it.

We used all the seats.

We folded seats down.

We folded seats up.

We did all the seats.

Now, Toyota is only selling this right now

as an all-wheel drive hybrid.

That's the way the Sienna comes.

This is an expensive minivan.

Okay, it's about $50,000,

which is what minivans cost.

I'm sorry, but they do.

It was fully loaded.

Yeah, it was.

I had to train my family how to use the big doors

because they were desperate to do it themselves.

But I could be like, just sit, just sit.

Just sit.

Is there a button somewhere?

Just sit.

I have all the buttons above my head.

Just sit down, put your seat belt on.

The door will come to you.

There was like three or four tries in some cases

of members of the family, just sit.

So the doors are great.

I mean, the reality is if you want a minivan,

we've talked about it before.

Nothing out does a minivan

at what a minivan does well.

We say nothing out, minivan's a minivan.

I've got the fob.

I can open either side door with the fob

while I'm walking up to the car.

Or it's our handy.

Absolutely.

And I can close them from the minute I sit in the car.

It's very easy.

So this made easy access for those members of my family

that are not easy access folks.

They struggle to get in and out of cars.

My father-in-law is struggling right now.

So it's just one of those things where it just works.

If you have families, this is excellent.

I'm not saying the Sienna does something

that no other minivan does.

I'm not, except for possibly gas mileage

because I hooned it for like four days

and hadn't even burned a quarter tank.

When I dropped it back off with you, I was like,

did I not try hard?

I knew I had.

You got a full tank here, man.

It was crazy.

I drove it all over the place.

Sport mode, it was in sport mode, right?

Yes, it was the only mode.

That's the only mode.

As soon as it turned it on, it was like up to sport.

Yeah.

Which basically was just through all the response.

So it refused to burn gas.

That's amazing.

That was good.

That was the big thing about it.

I mean, you gotta pick minivan

on the features that you want.

This has all the normal features.

It had the, because it's a press car, it was loaded.

I had the hose for the vacuum system in the center console.

Did you?

The hose was in there.

I didn't use it.

It wasn't needed.

We're past the part where anybody in my family

is young enough to make a mess.

So we're past that.

But it also had the cooler in the back center console.

Oh, yeah, right.

Where you could actually heat and cool your beverages.

So that was in there too.

So it was everything.

And sliding seats with the leg rest.

I mean, you and I are too tall for those to work.

But if you're the size of my sister or my wife

or whatever, you're the mid five footers,

you can actually slide the seat back

and get the ankle rest.

And it's all very nice.

I don't need one.

But if you need a minivan, the Sienas are very cool.

And I was most surprised by, I didn't even notice.

I pulled back into your driveway to drop it off.

I looked out of the fuel gauge.

I was like, how much of a, oh nothing.

I just burned like nothing.

Which was crazy.

That was cool.

Which does set it apart.

It's pretty cool.

That's very good, yeah.

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It's that time of year again.

Consumer Reports does this every year.

We actually had a big discussion about it last year

where they released their report card for the year.

They take all the brands and they do this a couple of ways.

It's wide and deep.

Very much so.

It's road test, reliability, owner satisfaction,

and safety are the four major parameters

for them to create their best brands report.

That's the headline.

But then they have the best used cars,

best new car values.

They have all kinds of stuff.

I really dug in mostly on the headline one,

which was the best brands,

which is the culmination of all the ways they test

and all the surveys that they do.

I wanted to talk about the top five

and the bottom five of that listing

because last year, quite famously,

Subaru was at the top for the first time.

And also quite famously, last year,

Rivian was at the bottom.

Interesting to see the brands.

Have things changed.

In the top five and the bottom five.

But again, most reliable new car brands,

both the top three and the bottom three there

were interesting.

Most reliable used car brands,

top three and bottom three.

But I wanna point something out real quickly

before we dive in too far.

In the best brands, Porsche is listed

as one of the best.

And we'll talk about where Porsche is listed.

But one of the things that's key here is

all the surveys that they get.

All right, and this came up last year with Rivian

because they, Rivian was like the outlier,

even though it was the bottom of the list

because they almost had enough surveys to make it work.

If you go into the new car brands

or the used car brands, just those separate lists,

Porsche vanishes as a brand.

It's not listed.

And I can only account that to being not enough

survey results for them to do it.

That's what my thinking too.

There's other brands along with Porsche,

but some are missing off the list.

But they get enough information to include it

on the overall, like the overarching best brands one.

But I just think it is funny that you have a Porsche

and I have a Lotus and those brands

are pretty much nowhere to be seen.

So because there's just not enough,

there's just not enough.

Owner surveys, yeah.

Not enough people are buying them,

not enough people are doing surveys.

I found out a Lotus survey the other day.

You did?

When they asked me multiple questions,

I was like, I'll fill out a survey.

That's fine.

And they asked me if I would ever,

and I took the question at face value,

would I ever consider, that was the word used,

ever consider a Lotus electric SUV?

And I was like, you've got the word ever

and consider in there.

I would absolutely consider.

You didn't ask me, would I buy?

You said ever consider.

Interesting. I took it to Facebook so I said yes.

Because I'm also thinking-

That's very deliberate on their part

because they just want,

they want to kind of grease the-

Yeah.

You know, the scale a little bit.

But consider and buy, plus,

because they also don't know they're asking me.

I'm an automotive journalist.

I want to consider everything.

I want to drive it all.

True.

I may tell you, you're way, way off the mark,

but I'd love to get in and drive it.

If you said buy, it'd be far more definitive results

but it might not go in the direction they want.

Yeah, that's the thing.

That's the thing I was concerned about

is they're going to look at these survey results

and most people are going to be like,

ever consider?

Sure.

I'll consider everything.

Our audience really wants an electric SUV.

That's not what we said.

It's not what we said.

I specifically not say that.

I said as an automotive journalist,

if you build that as a concept,

I'll drive it and go, is this a Lotus?

Well, that way when sales go way down

and they point fingers at the marketing people,

they can say, well, hey, all these people considered.

We can't force people to buy.

All the surveys we had-

Why didn't people buy?

Jaguar's going through that very thing right now.

The new Coke moment at Jaguar.

I really like that.

I'm going to lean into it.

So can I run through my five?

Do it, yeah, do it.

This is Best Brands.

Top five and bottom five.

Once again, they're back with more forest

and all-wheel drive.

Subaru.

Subaru is the top of the list.

With more forest.

Now with more forest.

Now with all the all-wheel drives and the CVTs

and in the back of the photo that I have on screen,

they're right back.

They're right back, is the BRZ.

How did that get up there?

Yeah, it doesn't belong in the photo.

That's not sand.

That is rock and gravel and mountain.

That is, there's probably a road just,

in fact, I think there is,

and there is a road.

There is a road, yes.

But anyway, but the point I'm making here is-

How did that get up there?

The BRZ is way at the back.

They drove at it early in the morning

and they scrapped it again.

Exactly, carefully placed.

We've joked about this a lot.

Look, Subaru is killing it,

especially in North America.

They're killing it.

They also are doing incremental changes to their cars.

And that was actually brought up last year

when we talked about this at length.

One of the things that's led them to rise to the top,

especially reliability,

is they're not making big swing for the fences changes.

Making little tiny tweaks to what's already working

and that leads to long-term reliability.

Toyota being a great example.

They've done a bunch of new engines.

They're going through those growing pains.

Subaru's been using the same engines,

same transmissions forever.

So they're actually at number one.

Number two is BMW.

I couldn't believe that.

And they were tied with Subaru.

Number two is BMW.

I couldn't believe that.

Whoever thought that best brands

number two would be BMW.

I'm a little astonished by this.

That's based on all the results.

The owner satisfaction surveys,

owner satisfaction road tests,

safety, all of the above.

So there's BMW at number two.

Porsche at number three.

Again, they don't appear on the other sub-lists

but they are on this list.

So Porsche at number three,

which they've been in the top five kind of forever.

Yeah. I mean, that's the truth.

They are the performance brand that is the most reliable.

I mean, I realize Toyota has performance stuff

but this is their performance brand

that is the most reliable is Porsche.

Honda is at number four.

Good. Which is very interesting.

Good, they're up there.

And Toyota is at five,

which feels a little lower than I would have expected.

But again, they're going through some big changes

in their lineup and that is leading to

less current reliability

whereas Subaru is doing incremental changes

and things are working.

You're starting to see the change there.

That is the top five, bottom five.

I want to bring up something before I go to bottom five.

I'm going to stay here on Toyota at number five

for a minute. Right, right.

Last year, Rivian was the bottom of the list.

Okay? It was way at the bottom.

All right?

Now, owner satisfaction in a separate list was really high

but like how it did on everything

it was bottom of the list.

It's risen five places.

Five places, which means that the five I'm about to talk about

are all lower on the list than Rivian

who was the bottom of the barrel last year.

But are you saying Rivian marketing people

can now claim we rose five spots?

Yes, in the Consumer Reports Best Brand Survey,

Rivian, we're giving the marketing department

of Rivian freebies. This is how marketing people do it.

Yes, yes.

We've ridden five spaces.

And what's interesting is some of their direct competitors

are now below them.

So let's dive into the bottom five below Rivian

five from the bottom is Alfa Romeo.

I love them, but they just don't do well here.

Also, a lot of Stellantis products in the bottom five.

I'm sorry to say it.

You don't say.

The Stellan Terrians, yeah.

And Dodge is below Alfa Romeo.

You don't want to buy a Hornet?

I don't.

Granted, you notice that the Alfa has the,

it's Hornet variant, the Tonale, the Tonale is there.

Not a good name.

And then we have the Hornet.

So Dodge is even below Alfa Romeo.

Okay.

Below Dodge is GMC

who is pretty much only making high-end trucks

from the Chevy platforms,

but they're just not working very well.

So GMC is making things like the Hummer.

Hummer is listed under GMC.

So there's that.

And then below GMC is Land Rover.

At the bottom of the list is Land Rover.

They still sell though.

They still sell.

They sell.

They still sell.

They sell and they have a reputation

for not running great and not being reliable,

but their owners do love them.

I mean, one of the things that's interesting is

the cars at the bottom of the market,

the ones I just ran through Rivian through the bottom,

you've got militant owners that love these vehicles.

And look, I have championed the Alfa Romeo Giulia.

I'll probably do it again this podcast.

I love that car.

Okay.

And I've known people with them that were problematic.

I've known people with them where there was like,

all this does is run.

Right.

And they're like, what is everybody talking about?

Exactly.

So I mean, I understand.

We have multiple friends, it's Park City.

We have multiple friends with Range Rovers

and Land Rover products.

I know a few that just are like,

I don't know what everybody's complaining about.

We have one friend who does all his own maintenance

and it's like, I don't know what everybody's complaining about.

There you go.

But anyway, so we'll see how it all goes.

But that is the quote unquote best brands,

top and bottom from Consumer Reports from me.

I thought it was a fascinating list this year,

but Rivian on the way up and BMW at the top.

That's amazing.

I like that you showed photos of everything

because I'm list guy.

It was hard to get photos of the lineups.

Yeah.

Harder than you think.

All that just to find the lineups, the current lineups.

So I'm list guy.

So I'm showing a few lists here.

A little bit of it is repetitive,

but I just wanted you to see some screenshots

from Consumer Reports and how they rank things.

So this is starting with most reliable new brands.

Just wanted you to see the top 10 here.

Toyota is predicted reliability based again

on all the owner surveys and all the research they do.

Toyota is at the top for best new brands

for used car brand reliability.

Now Lexus swaps places with Toyota

and look at all these.

BMW is still on their Mazda, great Audi Volvo.

They're still way up there.

And then moving on to satisfaction by brand

you touched on this.

Rivian is way out front.

Not even a contest way out front.

People that have Rivians love their Rivians

and that helped them last year too,

but it is interesting because in spite of the foibles

and the issues and whatever,

the Rivian owners love their cars

and that changes the dynamics a lot.

It's insane.

So moving on here to the list form for sports cars

with the images, I wanted you to see this

because at the very top for $40,000 sports cars

and under the BRZ, and I would think

even though it's fourth on the list,

but they all share almost the top four spots,

the GT86, sorry, GR86 and the BRZ.

So those are way up there, which is pretty cool to see.

Even the Mini Cooper in yellow.

Look at that.

Hey.

Is at the top.

Hey, it's actually recommended, look at that.

They're at the top.

I mean, I have a 20 year old one now for my son,

so you know, we'll see how that goes.

But you got the good year with the Supercharger.

The number of people in the comments

on our $12,000 car piece that were like,

Minis are terrible.

They'll never run.

I'm like, well, I've had two that have run.

Hopefully this second one keeps running.

They're like, they don't know what you're talking about.

The big lesson we're doing now

with my son and the Mini is it's freezing outside.

The engine is cold.

We don't have to find red line yet.

Just mechanical, easy, easy, just, you know,

we'll get there, let some of the gauges

climb off of the peg at the bottom.

Like some of the gauges lift.

Is he getting in, starting it, and just hammering on it?

He drives it the way he's used to driving it,

which is just, I'm gonna wind out through the gears

and it's like, okay, right now just calm.

Let's get into sixth when we only need third.

Let's just ease our way in, you know?

This is a good lesson.

Yeah, we're working our way.

Moving on to sports cars, $40,000 and above,

amazing to see the C8 Stingray

at the very top of the list

as a consumer reports recommended by

boxers up there as well, which I'd like to see.

The Miata didn't rank quite as high

as I thought it was going to,

but at least it's, you know, up here.

It's good, Z4, all the stuff that we do like.

And then talking a little bit about trucks,

the F-150 took all the categories

in hybrid and regular form, so it's

F-150 from here on out.

But what was interesting is we currently have

a Santa Cruz press vehicle,

and here it is at the top of consumer reports,

recommended list for the small truck category.

And that was pretty cool to see.

I'm reminded that it's actually pretty fun to drive,

although I feel like the turbo isn't kicking in.

I have to really tell it.

I have to downshift a lot.

I don't remember that the last time I drove it.

I don't remember that either.

It's almost like something about

the throttle response was changed.

I've got it in sport and I've got a really downshift

to make it go.

Interesting.

Is this turbo?

I thought this was turbo, but maybe not.

Checking it out, it's turbo.

Where is the turbo?

I shouldn't have to just...

It needs to come on a little bit sooner,

but maybe people were complaining about that.

It was too jumpy because that's why we liked it.

It was just snappy.

It was on it, yeah.

Hot throttle response.

That's the last one I remember, yeah.

Interesting.

Here is the off-road focused SUV market.

This is why you're doing this list.

Very top is the new Toyota 4Runner.

That's why you did that.

You haven't seen why I got one piece.

Here is the link in the top right corner again,

and yeah, I bought one.

Really, really do like it.

And yeah, so off-road focused SUVs.

The Wranglers up here, which is good,

but the scoring isn't too high.

Yours and the Wrangler are the top three,

but the reliability scores of both the Branco

and the Wrangler do not compete

with the expected one on the Toyota.

They just don't.

I'm sorry, you know.

But then moving on to the luxury versions,

the Cayenne is very, very in the top three here as well.

Interesting to see the X5 all the way out front.

Yeah, interesting.

Plug-in hybrid or regular X5 is way out there,

but that definitely corresponds to BMW

being at the very top of the overall list,

which is pretty cool to see.

Things change.

Watch what happens in 10 years.

That's what I think it's interesting

as long as we're doing this job

to watch how brands' perceptions

completely change in five or 10 years.

Certainly in 10 year increments,

it's amazing how an entire brand

will remake itself.

Toyota's done that almost twice

in the time we've done this show, which is crazy, yeah.

And then here is the EV list,

BMW once again at the top with the i5

for electric luxury cars.

And the i4 in second,

which I mean brand to the top here, yeah.

So BMW's, Taycan's up here, which is nice to see.

Tesla has definitely risen a lot,

but pretty interesting to see BMW

all the way at the top of this list.

Moving on to subcompact SUVs.

You are a list guy.

You look at you.

This is awesome.

This is my moment.

You didn't do this by accident.

Essentially all the lists have just led us to this list.

That's really the reason you did lists

was to show the four rider at the top

and to have this discussion

we're about to have right now.

Get it all out of the way.

So I could show you the subcompact SUV market.

There's 15 cars in this market.

The very bottom is the new Subaru Crosstrek hybrid.

So it is still in test.

It's still testing.

And doesn't have quite all the scores yet.

That's why it's not really ranked.

So out of the 14,

the Tows has moved up one notch.

It's still 13th, pretty much dead last in my opinion.

But the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport

has taken the crown from the Tows for being the worst,

according to Consumer Reports.

This is not my reporting.

But they don't have enough actual,

the other reason it's there

is because they don't have enough surveys yet

to maybe raise it off the floor.

That's just Consumer Reports commenting as well.

So good news, the Tows might still come in last.

With actual road test score

and over satisfaction surveys,

the Tows is at dead last.

This is a problem.

You're gonna do a little dance, aren't you?

You're doing your little victory dance in your head.

I was right, dance.

Yeah, you are.

I see it happening.

Just saying, there it is, the proof.

I was the butt in the seat.

I was the subjective reviewer here.

This is concrete results.

What you're saying is, it's not just me.

It's really what you're saying.

You're like, not just me.

Yeah, okay, got it.

Pretty cool that Consumer Reports

goes that deep and it can definitely affect

your purchasing decisions, but it's not always

because we recommend cars that are a lot of fun to drive

and are still kind of in the middle, top to middle

of the list and they're still great to own.

It wouldn't be, you know, off of your say, well.

Well, but the cars, the $12,000 car piece we just did.

The RX-8's in it.

Yeah.

We all know that the RX-8 is not something

you buy for its reliability, but it is superb to drive.

The Mini's in it.

The Mini's wonderful to drive and not just because

I bought one, but it is genuinely fun to drive,

but yet people have had really mixed reliability there.

So sometimes the hassle is worth it.

You just have to decide what, it's that spectrum

of sacrifice.

That's the takeaway.

What's your hassle tolerance?

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All of this is coming soon, but we're very excited.

Tony writes in with our first car debate here.

He says he's spinning tires

and trying to decide his eldest son

is on the brink of learning to drive.

He'll be given Tony's current car,

which is the 2019 GLS 450, which is,

that's quite a big car.

That's a huge car for a new driver.

Although I had a cheap Grand Cherokee.

True, but GLS is, that's big.

Anyway, he's gonna drive that through his high school years

which means that Tony needs a new daily.

But here is the big trick.

He needs not once must have a hitch rack

on whatever car, which he'd like to be fun

has to have a hitch rack that can carry bicycles, plural

and potentially a singular dirt bike.

So we're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood

of 300 pounds or so that must be able to be tolerated

by a actual hitch mount.

That is the big thing.

He likes something smaller than the GLS,

maybe actual sports car intentions.

He has, his sports car is handled,

is two, count of two, 911s.

A 991.2 C4, so an all wheel drive 911

plus a 996 turbo as a track and weekend fun car.

So he has those.

His wife has his description here.

The behemoth Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series 3

for family and hauling duty.

So that's covered.

That's suburban size now.

Yeah, that's extra big.

He's had a Durango 392 in the past, a Focus RS.

He's looking at maybe a GR Corolla or Golf R.

But he's wondering about the ability for suspension

to handle the load of the dirt bike.

So that also gets him thinking

about maybe small SUVs.

This is where we are.

Tony's wandering mind is considered an SQ7 or SQ8 Audi,

GLE 53, McConn, Cayenne, GLC 43,

you know, all the usual suspects in there.

In that regard, yeah.

With a budget of $60,000, what can he get?

And the hitch is the through line here on this debate

and the next.

Did you notice?

I did, I noticed that.

I stumbled across, I didn't go too far down

this rabbit trail, but I just,

and this is not an endorsement

because I just saw it literally in passing.

Of course, there is a YouTube channel

who does a series called Does It Bike?

Does it bike, everybody?

Does it bike?

So like does it blend from years ago?

It does relate to us.

Actually, I'll give you a totally random aside.

You remember the Does It Blend Blender?

Oh yeah.

Okay.

The Does It Blend Blender did the Does It Blend

stuff forever.

They were these YouTube videos.

Find them if you haven't seen them.

They're totally viral kind of things.

They would just like throw it in their

super industrial blender you could buy

for your, their kitchen.

I don't remember what the name was, but

you would have it.

I think it was Blend Tech.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Turn it into soup.

It would soup everything.

Yeah.

I happened to be working as a commercial

editor in Salt Lake when they got a new

marketing person at that company

and they decided to do legitimate commercials.

Which was a Utah-based company,

the Blend Tech.

It was Utah, was it not?

Actual, genuine, normal commercials

and released them on TV.

And this marketing person, talk about

the Jaguar issue, this marketing person

got the commercials made, shot,

through edit and up to approval.

I don't know how this happened.

I was the editor on them.

Okay.

And then when they were shown to the guy

that owned the company,

he said I will never run traditional

commercials and they died at that step.

Now maybe this has changed since then.

It's been a while since I did this edit.

It's been a lot of money to get to that point.

Yes, exactly.

It's like nobody along the line was like,

should we show the boss?

Anyway, but the point I'm making here

is that the Blend Tech blends everything,

but apparently the viral videos

were enough that it needed commercials.

So out there is, does it bike?

Which is what we need for Tony.

Oh my gosh.

All right.

Well, Tony, I had got some great choices for you.

I love how you're thinking, $60,000 budget.

I'm not trying to blow it out too much.

Just a little bit.

Just ever so slightly,

but I do have great choices for you here.

Starting off, you know how you talked

about your Cayenne idea?

I went shopping and found a 2022 Porsche Cayenne coupe

because you're looking for something

sports car-ish driving.

That's what the coupe does.

It instantly makes it a sports car.

Sure it does.

Right?

Right.

It is in Bellevue, Washington at Park Place LTD.

It is the all-wheel drive.

It's not the turbo, but regular coupe with 33,000 miles.

It is $64,950.

So hopefully a lot less than you were thinking

and look at that lovely hitch right on the back there.

So yes is the answer.

I think the coupe,

it's kind of a blend between sports car,

Blend Tech, will it blend?

It blends at sports car and kind of off-road-ish

taking the bike on the back,

the 300 pound dirt bike actually leaving it on there,

racks on there so that is just a traditional hitch.

And it's my understanding these towed somewhere

in the neighborhood of 6,000, 7,000 pounds,

somewhere in there.

So easy on that.

And yeah, you've got your raised sports car

for $64,000 with a hitch rack.

I think that's a great choice here.

I also had considered the BMW X5 Competition

because I know this is something

that will easily do that.

And you know what?

The X5, especially the M, drives kind of like a sports car.

Todd and I were always like,

why does a brick drive so well?

Well, it's a BMW and they forced it to drive well.

So it does have kind of a sports car,

a tiny bit of a sports car flavor in there.

But you know what is also interesting

and sort of like the coupe?

And that is the X6M.

I'm going to continue to say no.

No.

No, no.

Sorry.

Personal bias.

Sorry.

Merely an idea because you'll notice

there is no hitch on this one,

but StealthHitches.com does make a conversion kit

that you can put on this bad boy.

So if you're looking for, again,

more of the sports car shape,

that's why we, as a planet,

we went through the era of making all the SUVs

with a sloped rear backlight.

I don't think they've left that era,

unfortunately.

The sports car, the sports coupe, sports SUV.

You and I continually are baffled by it.

I know why they sell, I just think they shouldn't exist.

Again, it doesn't come with it.

That's why you want the X5,

but if you wanted the X6,

then you could go to StealthHitches

and get that conversion kit.

And I was thinking, oh, I've got it.

Tony, make your MDX Type-S.

I mean, it's got a motorsports derived engine.

Here is the SUV that doesn't drive like an SUV.

It's shockingly good.

It's excellent to drive MDX Type-S.

The problem is it doesn't have a hitch

and there's no solution in sight

from any manufacturer that I can tell.

Oh really, interesting.

So that's the unfortunate part there.

But as the crazy, crazy wild card,

I came up with the Mustang Mach-E rally.

Mm, okay.

StealthHitches does make a conversion kit for this one,

which could make this viable

because it's sport-ish, off-road.

It's rally sport.

It's in that kind of category.

So none of these are cars, but they all drive,

I mean, the Mustang least so,

but they kind of drive better

than you would suspect an SUV to drive.

So with a conversion kit on this,

you could be a one-of-one driving around

in your Mach-E rally with a dirt bike on the back,

kind of sport-ish, kind of off-road.

I mean, we're parked on some gravel and rocks.

There's dirt under the tires.

Some dirt under there.

So there's trees in the background.

Sport, rally, dirt bike, off-road.

But again, except for the MDX Type-S,

all the others do have a conversion kit

available from StealthHitches,

and you're going to have to call them

and find out what the weight-carrying limits are

on all of those just to make sure everything will fit.

But I think you've got some great choices.

I think the Cayenne coupe could be great.

It's got a sporty back.

It's like a sports car.

So therefore it's a sports car.

It's exactly like a sports car.

Same thing here.

It's got a sporty back.

Look, a wing.

It's gotta be a sports car.

Look.

Tony, I'm gonna go through your list,

but I also realized as I was going through my photos

that I forgot something earlier

and that was the current bottom of the brands.

Taking Rivian Spot is now Jeep,

which let's be honest, that is Jeep's direct competitor.

Jeep is at the bottom.

Sorry, I hate to circle back.

But anyway, we're gonna go to Tony.

We're gonna go to you and towing.

And you started here with the GR Corolla.

And I like this idea,

except for one little problem

that's visible in this photo.

I'm showing a rear three-quarter.

This car has three tailpipes.

And one of them, the biggest one,

is in the middle where you would normally put a hitch.

Bit of a problem.

That is an issue.

I also don't know what the suspension would deal with

on this having 300 pounds on the back,

but the biggest issue is the fact

that you have a center tailpipe to worry about.

Now I did some digging.

Yes, someone has done it.

They put on a dual-pipe aftermarket exhaust

and they put a tow hitch out of the back center port

because there was no longer a third exhaust pipe there.

So bodywork-wise, you could do it.

The interesting thing is that pretty much any car

you would like to have a hitch on,

somebody could find you one that will work.

You might end up cutting body panels

and that kind of stuff.

I still think this is a bit of a stretch for this car.

I just-

I think so, too.

There's too many changes to get you there,

but you've got the Golf R.

I'm showing a picture right now.

I specifically went for pictures

with bike racks on them.

I like it.

This is a Golf R.

I think this is a 7.5.

And you can actually see,

if you look at this photo,

there has actually been a well-machined cut

through the center back bumper to create the hitch point.

These exist.

Hitches like this exist.

I think the Golf R would be great.

I think you would enjoy driving it very much.

That would be an excellent choice here.

I have others like the Macan.

It's good.

Yeah.

A little bit smaller than the-

I mean, it's Porsche's hatchback.

We've talked about it many times.

This is the closest Porsche gets to selling a hatchback.

There are all kinds of hitches available.

Could absolutely tell your bike.

Could absolutely tell your dirt bike.

This would get this done.

I think this might be the right mid-size

you're looking for.

I mean, I'm not gonna fight you off the Cayenne or the X5.

I get it.

But I think the Macan might be the size you're hoping for

that still has the utility you need in towing.

So I'm wondering about the Macan there.

Moving on to the X3,

we are huge fans of the X3.

We've driven it a few times,

and it's just great.

Yeah, it is.

And it is kind of like the Macan.

It's kind of smaller size, a little bit right size.

Tons of hitches available for that.

Go for the X3.

A lot of engine.

Yes, for sure.

Fast.

Very fast.

My favorite, though,

I landed on after a little bit of digging around.

And it's so new that I can't show you a hitch photo,

but I can talk about the car

because I actually think I have your answer.

Really?

$60,000.

Get yourself the Ionic 5N.

Could you do a hitch?

This is a sports car.

That's how it drives.

Now, it is the size of a small SUV,

like the Macan, like the X3.

It's that size.

This drives as sporty as anything you're ever going to want.

This is going to feel like the other end of the spectrum

from the GLS you got out of.

But you have decent space.

You've got all-wheel drive.

This drives really, really well.

Now, to this point, I have not found anybody

that's put a hitch on one of these.

However, the standard Ionic 5, toes like crazy.

You can find pictures all over the place.

Bikes, dirt bikes, random little campers like this.

It has a decent toe rating.

I can't imagine I'm not an engineer.

I can't imagine that the Ionic 5N can handle nothing.

I mean, I realize the body work can handle nothing.

That's an issue that can be solved.

But the mechanics here are fundamentally the same.

Say that the standard Ionic has a couple thousand pound

toe rating.

The end's got to have something.

It's not zero, okay?

No, no.

So I don't have an answer for you there,

but I feel like-

Suspension is something-

It's a different animal.

It's a totally different animal.

It's a sports car, different suspension,

so we're not sure what we'll do there.

I don't know, but somebody's going to try it.

Somebody's going to try putting an actual

tail-mounted rack on the back of an Ionic 5N.

Again, the standard Ionic can do it.

So the 5N, that is my personal choice.

If it's interesting, you ended up in electric and so did I.

It's interesting.

Other options here, but Tony, I think Ionic 5N

would do sports car and would do utility

at a way I think that would surprise you.

That's good.

All right, Tony, thank you for writing.

Thank you for the tough choice, the tough debate here,

because it just got us thinking differently,

and we definitely welcome photos

when you figure out what you're buying

and write to us everydaydrivertvedgmail.com,

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Douglas writes to us with an existential car crisis.

He's in a painful car dilemma

and hoping that we can help before he loses his mind.

He's looking to downsize to one,

do-it-all car and need some advice.

He needs to upgrade from his loathsome Subaru outback.

His word, but interesting.

Okay, yeah.

He wrote this.

And his turbo Miata into one car that is fun to drive

and that can haul his two-year-old

and five-year-old kids and his wife.

Okay, so can do family duties, but must be fun.

Like loathsome Subaru outback.

That's a great word, by the way.

I don't hear that nearly enough.

It's excellent, yeah.

Douglas is in Michigan,

so this does not rule out snow tires in rear-wheel drive.

He says, and while he admires German brands,

he does not want to stand out in the neighborhood or at work.

Understand?

I'm gonna come back to that.

There's a lot of thoughts out there.

Are you gonna poke holes in that?

A little bit, yes.

Here we go, yes.

One thing Douglas is looking for

is a compromise car that could take a track day,

winter weather and a tow hitch.

There you go, there's, through line, I see it, good.

Needs to be automatic under about 30 to $35,000

and replace a really fun Miata

when it's just Douglas driving.

He's narrowed the list down to the Golf R,

7.5, maybe the 8, 7.5, and a Mustang GT.

He gives us a list of cars that are off the list.

Most people write to us and say,

here's the ones I'm considering.

Here's the cars that Douglas is not considering.

The G70 and Stinger, no tow and kinda boring.

CT4, Cadillac Blackwing, over $40,000.

The IS350 is boring.

The Chevrolet SS, too old, he writes.

Charger, scat pack, too heavy.

The Volkswagen Arteon is boring.

Cadillac ATSV, well, it's a little bit older right now,

but horrible interior.

And the WRX, he says, another CVT, please no.

Love it, good stuff.

I have some interesting choices for you here, Douglas.

At least when I was starting out on my thinking,

I thought I'd solved it.

Okay.

But I hadn't.

For the same reason you brought up the GR Corolla,

I thought, Integra Type S.

And then you'll see in the back,

it's got that tailpipe.

Dead center.

All of the tailpipes.

At least the Corolla's got three spread out.

At least it spreads.

The Type S has got all of the tailpipes

exactly where you wanna put a hitch.

I thought I'd solved it because, yeah,

well, I mean, it's manual, but still, again,

there's some flaws here,

but at least it's a starting place.

But the tow hitch is a real problem here

because they're gonna do some serious rerouting of things

or have a very hot, hot bike.

That's major.

My bike is so hard.

And then I thought, okay, what else does Zach have?

How about a TLX?

How about a TLX Type S?

Ooh, that'd be cool.

No solve immediately that I can find on the internet

for a hitch installation on this.

I'm sure there's something out there

automatic can take the family.

Yeah, that's great.

I like that.

Maybe, maybe.

The three and five year old, of course.

Yeah.

I don't know about the hitch.

The hitch, maybe not so much.

But I think I've solved hands down.

I think I have fully solved once and for all.

Okay.

Here it is.

Ooh, the Mini Countryman JCW.

Hopefully not the current one.

Not the current one, just go one gen back.

Got it, okay, yeah.

But here it is.

All right, yeah.

This is a cool, sporty looking thing.

You can put a hitch on the back

because Stealth Hitches actually makes a conversion

even for the JCW Mini Countryman.

The JCW has a lot more power.

And the promo photos from Mini,

not only do they show it,

slicing on a fun canyon here,

they show it on a track.

There you go, I like it.

Which to me means if a manufacturer shows their car

on track, SUV like an X5.

Just an endorsement, right?

Rolls Royce.

That means you can track it.

Here it is.

On the ring no less.

The Countryman JCW on track.

It's a sporty, fun little car.

It can take everybody.

It's automatic.

It's the JCW, so it's got the upgraded power.

It's got a lot of power.

Hitch on the back.

I think this is the all in one.

No, it's not a Miata,

but anytime somebody writes to us,

it needs to do a thing a Miata does.

Well, there's only one car that does what a Miata does.

Guess which one it is.

I mean, you can put a bike rack

on the back of your mountain.

We've seen it many times,

but you can't hold a family.

But the family, yeah, no go.

So here it is.

The Mini Countryman, one generation back.

JCW, Bob's your uncle, that's it.

Go shopping, auto-tempest.com, slash every day.

And I didn't take these photos.

I mean, Mini is promoting this on track.

The word country would suggest off-roading,

super outback, but no,

here it is on some great asphalt on track,

doing all the things, all in one.

It's a Mini.

You've done well.

You've done, plus you didn't do the current one.

You did the one, one back.

Well, I had to because it was, yeah.

I went to the Mini USA website.

I went, yeah.

Let's go one generation back.

I mean, it's still for sale.

I mean, if that's your jam, that's your jam.

You can go get one, but these are definitely

in the sweet spot for pricing, for doing it all.

Stealth hitches does have the conversion kit.

You can get it done.

And here's all the Minis on track.

I mean, they're just showing everything.

So this is my choice.

As I dive in here for Douglas,

I have to note two things.

Two things that were key in your email, Douglas.

One is, you said it has to replace

a really fun Miata when it's only you driving,

which is a tall order to have it do these other things.

And no German brands.

And then you said, what about a Volkswagen Golf R?

Well, that's true.

You did say that.

Which is a German brand.

You also are worried, you're actually,

you're also, and look, I don't know

what you do for a living.

You're in Michigan.

I don't know what perceptions you're struggling against,

but you're worried a little bit about perception.

But you brought up Cadillac.

You brought up Lexus.

And you have a Volkswagen in here.

So I kind of am ignoring your no German brands thing.

I'm admitting it because I think

if you buy the right car, it isn't flashy.

And I think you prove that with the Golf.

The Golf would work great for you.

The Golf R 7.5, excellent.

I think you would like that car for your needs.

It would do all the family stuff.

It is fun.

It's not Miata fun, but it is fun.

Let's move on though.

You talked about the Mustang.

The Mustang is only okay here.

You were talking about the new GT.

The thing you can't get around is this drives big.

It looks big.

And the steering is mute.

And you're coming from a Miata.

If you weren't coming from a Miata,

I think the Mustang might do this.

But you're coming from a Miata, which is about

body movement and steering feel and weight shift.

And this feels heavy and numb,

which is not the direction you want to go.

I mean, there's things to like here,

but that's not against a Miata.

So can't go Mustang.

You said Chevy SS too old.

No, sir.

Get a Chevy SS.

You walked right by the answer.

You went, yeah, it's too old.

No, it's not.

It's a Chevy.

I mean, it's a Chevy.

The hardest thing you're gonna trouble with on this

is body panels.

Well, sure.

But the lower price actually justifies it

because it's too old.

Well, prices come down a little bit.

Look, GM said it, and then I have agreed with it

because I thought, no, it can't possibly be.

That's marketing speak.

It's the four door Corvette.

This is, if you need it, if you want a Corvette,

but you have to have four doors.

This is exactly your car.

I was gonna say not a Malibu, but either will work.

Either way, that's what it's true.

But the reality is, look, this doesn't have

a super modern interior,

but it also doesn't have an offensive interior.

That's the problem you're having with the Cadillac

is you're going, oh, just, ah, the styling's not.

This is, I know this sounds good.

In this reality, this is bland enough

to not be offensive and actually not age as fast.

Okay?

And it has a better interior than the Malibus

and that stuff that Chevy was selling at the same time.

So while this is a 10 year old car,

I say run, don't walk and actually drive

and possibly buy the Chevy SS.

You want the automatic,

so you're gonna get the ones

that are gonna be more affordable anyway.

You're gonna love it when you're driving it by yourself.

It's got good actual GM power

and yes, you can haul the family, bike,

all of the above is there.

I didn't stop there though

because I think there's other options.

The Alpha Giulia, I have to bring up.

I'm under contract.

I'm not under contract, actually.

There's no such thing.

But the Alpha Giulia, I have to bring up.

Wait, what?

Did I miss that?

It's never happened.

Is it digital?

Nobody's ever paid us a thing to say anything.

Anyway, but look, I love the Alpha Giulia.

This is the fantastic dad car

that is amazing to drive

and does the dad things.

You can get in an all wheel drive

if you're worried about weather.

You could put a hitch on it.

I've got to mention the Alpha Giulia

but my answer for you

needs to replace the Miata for fun.

Needs to haul a bike.

Needs to have at least some back seats for the kids.

Is the first gen BMW M2.

You're right, I thought of this

because of our mutual friend Greg.

But he said no German brands.

But he then said Gulf.

That's true.

He said Volkswagen.

And he said Lexus.

So Todd kicked it open.

He said Lexus, he said Cadillac.

So the point I'm making here is,

I think that, and I don't know where you work

and I don't know what the perception is,

but if you're gonna show up in a Volkswagen

and all German cars are out,

you can't show up in a Volkswagen,

but you're considering it.

If you're gonna show up in a luxury brand

and you're worried about that perception,

but Lexus and Cadillac are on the thing,

you can't consider those either.

The reality of the M2 is, especially this older one,

don't get the new one, get the old one,

it's better looking anyway.

The reality of the M2 is,

this is one of those only if you know cars.

It's just an average BMW to the average person.

Yeah, it's got a BMW badge on it,

but we all know the BMW sell stuff

that lots of people have bought.

It's not a luxury brand at the bottom end.

It isn't.

So you buy an M2, I'm gonna even recommend

you get it in the gray or the black

because it goes super stealth when you go gray or black.

I love it in the blue.

The blue is amazing, yeah.

But get it in gray or black,

and then it's just a small-ish BMW sedan that you bought

and nobody's gonna know unless they are a car person.

That's true, it'll just be,

you got your two-door car right there

because it looks like a normal car.

Exactly, and the normal BMWs are the same price.

I mean, these kind of BMWs are the same price

as a loaded out lots of brands,

including like the Volkswagen's.

I think this could slip under the radar

unless there's like a major BMW bias somewhere.

I'm glad you brought it up because I thought M2

with a hitch-track.

I think the M2 gets it done, yes.

But no German brands, but you're right.

I think there's, except the doors open and I kicked it.

That happened for sure.

That's definitely the case.

Smashed through there, so that's excellent.

Really appreciate your email.

Thank you so much, Douglas, for writing,

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Car inclusion number one comes to us

from Brian in New York and Florida

from episode 974.

You remember us talking about

the Mercedes SL55 replacement.

Brian, thank you for writing back.

He said, we both had great suggestions

for replacing his 2005 SL55 AMG,

ranging from Aston's to Maserati's to BMW's.

That sounds like us.

It does.

And Maserati was first on his list,

but fell off after he chatted with his neighbor

that owns one, who owns one.

You know it's bad when you talk to owners of the car,

do you leave the coverage with the owner thinking,

I can't get one of those.

But the reason is not what you think.

He says it's because Maserati's apparently

downsizing the number of dealers

and the local service might be a challenge.

And so if you don't service it frequently,

you perpetuate what people did with Maserati's

and that is pass along the service to the next owner

and then they were never serviced and became terrible.

So.

You never did that, did you?

No.

No, of course not.

Me, no.

Yeah, got it.

He also liked the idea of the E93 M3

that is the V8 retractable hard top.

It's very cool, yeah.

But the BMW 840 rose to the top for him.

I mean, cool car, but yeah.

I'd take a Maserati that is well maintained

over an 840 that is.

It is a bit of a dice roll.

It's a bit of a dice roll.

His wife loves the BMW 430 and 440s

even with the beaver teeth.

So that also rose to the top of the list.

After debating it for some time,

they had a change in focus.

Driving back and forth from Syracuse to Florida

was beginning to wear on them.

So they decided to stop driving and start flying.

Okay, which means they aren't going to take the car down.

They've got to have a car there.

That led to the search for their car

to leave in Florida and shelve the AMG replacement search.

After they drove a number of SUVs,

they settled on a Volvo XC90 Ultimate Recharge T8.

That's the end of the words after Volvo.

Yeah.

He still has the AMG and looks forward

to continuing to drive for now,

hopefully with no major issues.

In the meantime, he can't complain

about the XC90's turbo, the supercharged

two-liter engine combined with the electric power

getting 455 horsepower, 523 pound-feet of torque.

You can smoke everybody at the light.

It's so great.

Somewhere there was a Volvo planning meeting.

They were like, what's all the technologies

that engines come with?

Can we just put it all on one?

Can we just, you're the supercharger people.

You're the turbo people.

You're the hybrid people.

I have an internal combustion engine.

Let's just all get along.

Let's build it all.

The visionary.

Could he just put it all on one?

Maybe.

There were different pitches that they were like,

let's have all of that.

It's amazing, yeah.

Apparently it comes in at the 11.15 weight

to horsepower ratio, so it's just under the 12.

Yeah, that's good.

Very good.

It says it feels like a cool sleeper at the red lights.

That's right.

You can just, people are not ready for you.

Nope.

Even though the purpose shifted,

he says thanks for the input.

Really appreciate it, Brian.

Thank you for writing.

Congratulations on the car.

And yeah, right back when you're shopping

for the next SL55 replacement,

you really want to get it done.

There you go.

Paul C. also writes to us, it took him a while

to put this conclusion together.

He comes from episode 941 where he mistakenly

wrote that he drives 85,000 miles a year

and kind of blew our minds.

That stopped us.

We were like, you do what now?

Yeah.

He meant to say 85,000 miles in two years.

Still a lot of mileage.

Which is still a lot.

It's not like, oh, you don't drive much

and all anymore, Paul.

It's just, yeah, okay.

He was doing the voice recording on his phone,

so it transcribed incorrectly.

But when he sold his Mazda CX-50,

it had 90,000 miles on it.

And it was barely two years old.

I mean, that's what we're talking about, yeah.

He says the current stable now includes

his first car and still owns that 1969 Z28.

A 69 Firebird convertible will be his daughter someday.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, stop, stop, stop, stop.

Hang on, I have to stop right there.

I made a note.

You have, Paul, a 1969 Z28.

Yeah.

You have a very similar car

in a 1969 Firebird convertible.

You say will be your daughter someday.

And I'm going to ask the question,

for your sanity, for your wife's sanity,

and for your daughter's sanity, does she want that car?

Oh.

Does she want it?

If she does, she's like, dad, that's so cool.

I don't know how old she is.

I don't know, I don't remember.

I mean, but maybe she's reached a place

where she's like, I'd love to have that car

and that's why it's gonna be your daughter's car.

Maybe.

But I'm worried about, this is dad going,

that's my little girl's car.

And I just, I feel like when parents thrust a car

they love, onto the child they love.

There's a conflict there if the kid's not all about it.

I mean, maybe.

Maybe, maybe she is.

But I just, I read that like, this is my plan.

And I'm sitting here going, has she heard?

Has your wife heard?

What if she doesn't want it?

I'm just trying to save you fights.

That's all I'm trying to do.

Just save you the fight.

If she wants it, you know, blessings and awesome

and keep it for her, that's amazing.

And a really cool car for your daughter to drive

is a 1969 Firebird convertible, awesome.

If she doesn't want it, I'm gonna suggest that's okay.

Anyway, moving on.

We'll say yes for now.

Yes, we'll say it.

Well, let's hope she does.

Let's hope it's, she's already like yelling

at the speakers and going, I love that car.

I want it, but I'm not certain that's the case.

Paul sent photos.

Here's how he stacks those cars in the garage.

You can see him right back here.

Yes.

On the stacker in the garage.

He's also got that CT4 black wing

that is his weekend fun and track car.

And now the new work car, which is a 2025 BMW M240i.

Again, with the hitch through line.

And the mammoth bumper sticker on it too.

I love that.

Yeah, for sure.

He says, because his company took so long

to get back to him regarding their final conclusion

on what the work stipulations were for cars

in order to receive a tax-free reimbursement,

things were rushed at the end of the year.

He was all set.

And he says he wanted to go with our response

from episode 941 to go with a Volvo V60.

The problem in California seems to be no one has them.

He finally found one in the Bay Area, was ready to buy,

but still had no resolution from his company.

So upon hearing the car did actually have

to be over $53,000.

That ruled out replacing his CX50 with a hybrid CX50.

So he had to laugh when he told the sales team

that it just didn't cost enough.

I like it, but could you, well, forget it.

Amazing.

The majority of his research was done online,

but he did get in some test drives

and the special note was that test drive of the M240i,

says was concerning and frustrating

because during the test drive of a used car,

while getting onto the freeway and hitting the gas,

his wife's first reaction to a funny noise was,

is that the turbo?

The moment when the salesman head

just drops at the back seat like, oh no.

Same time, he was thinking to himself,

oh no, he's mazed us faster than this.

And the sales person in the back seat was quiet

and then finally said he'd have maintenance, check it out.

Yeah, that's not working right.

He went down multiple rabbit holes

and various flights of fancy in his decision-making process,

but he was able to get some additional track days

in that black wing, which is pretty cool,

and made him think, what if at some point

he could get a work car that could double

as a track car, like that?

Yeah, he says he actually thinks

that the black wing is a great track car.

It does.

In fact, at Hooked On Drive

we have the Cadillac V-Club come to many of our events

and the number of black wings on track

when they show up, they all are showing up

in black wings and loving it, which is very cool.

So you're right, it does.

But he said it has a bit of a consumables problem,

which I think is kind of funny

because he was thinking about maybe he'd get a GR86,

he looked at that for a bit,

but he eventually found his way back

to the BMW M240i.

And I will say that the BMWs are not known

for not having high track consumables,

but at least this is probably

a little bit smaller car than your black wing.

He says he's now driven his 2025

Brooklyn Gray M240i for 11 months.

He already has over 42,000 miles on it.

Wow, you're having a big year.

His long guys work are much more fun now.

And even though he finds himself

at least a couple of times looking for weights

to fit in favorite back roads when working home,

he says the car has even been at Laguna Seca

during an HOD track day,

which is pretty cool, back in March.

He says the short wheelbase is great fun on the track

and he was able to put down a great time,

147 just over a second off his best time

in the black wing.

Wow, that's impressive.

So apparently our suggestions

help open up the world to him of BMW.

So he says when this has really high miles,

look forward to another car debate in the future.

Won't be long as fast he puts miles on it.

That's just amazing.

I love that you're driving it hard

and driving it a lot though.

I mean, and I love that it's holding up.

I mean, BMW is at the top of the list

from Consumer Reports.

So here you go, you chose wisely.

Would have never expected that BMW would be there,

but that's what the current reporting is.

That's just crazy.

A reminder that next Monday

we are doing a live podcast.

We're not gonna do any questions on this podcast

because that will be all questions.

I want you guys to just be ready with all the questions.

They go so fast, it's really nuts.

We're gonna do it live, it's gonna be very cool.

But I am gonna do a short, Did You See This?

Okay, cool.

And it is a little bit off kilter

because I talk about the film industry a lot

when I do the Did You See This

or what TV shows you're watching.

And I'm not actually talking about a show

or a movie right now

even though there's some I could discuss from recently.

I'm gonna discuss something going on in the industry

that is very surprising.

And maybe you've read past this in the last week

and you've read past this news and gone,

oh, that's interesting.

But I wanna make it land, okay?

The film industry is shrinking.

Okay, that's not news to anybody.

The film industry is shrinking.

It's going through a lot of turmoil,

a lot of stuff's going on.

I'm not gonna bore you with all of that reality.

But in the process of it shrinking,

you have a few major studios that make everything, right?

And most of those studios either feed the direct,

like HBO Max makes HBO stuff

and you see HBO stuff on HBO Max, okay?

Netflix makes their own stuff, right?

Some people feed their own streaming service.

Some people are feeding every streaming service, okay?

But a place like Apple TV,

like if you watch stuff on Apple,

that's not produced by Apple.

It's produced by Warner Brothers or Sony

or whoever and it sells it to Apple.

That's the production studio.

So there's four or five major studios in Hollywood

which if there were 30,

there'd be a lot of places to take a movie.

Really just four or five?

Seems like there should be more.

And the problem is they've been shrinking

over the years, okay?

So like Columbia TriStar is merged

and that's owned by Sony.

That's been a long time ago.

Like Fox is now part of Disney.

Fox used to be separate and now part of Disney.

So there's been consolidation going on.

That's been the story in Hollywood for a while.

You may have already heard that Paramount has new owners.

Larry Ellison, one of the billionaires of the world.

His son who runs Skydance Productions now owns Paramount.

You've probably heard that that's been in the news a lot.

They've been looking to swallow up something else, okay?

In the process of looking to swallow up something else,

they got their eyes on Warner Brothers

because Warner Brothers has not had a good few years.

And I feel connected to Warner Brothers

because we were the sister company at New Line

when I worked there

and then New Line got absorbed into Warner Brothers.

So I feel a connection to Warner Brothers.

So I don't know people that still work there.

So that suggested Warner Brothers was for sale.

Warner Brothers is storied, one of the best.

Did they put themselves up for sale?

Essentially, they were taking offers

over the last couple of months.

They've been taking offers, which is amazing

because that means depending upon who buys it,

what does that do to the industry?

Warner Brothers, it's been announced,

is being bought by Netflix.

Netflix, now the way I wanna make this land is,

Netflix is a phenomenon.

Netflix is valued way above.

Netflix is valued compared to the other studios

like Tesla is valued compared to car companies.

I'm connecting the dots here to cars.

It's the same kind of thing.

Netflix is valued as the rule breaker, the disruptor,

and so it's worth all this money

and has been wildly successful

and done a lot of off-kilter things and worked.

But the key thing about Netflix is

they don't license stuff to anybody else.

They keep it all in-house,

all the stuff they own, they keep only for them.

They don't send it anywhere else.

You can't see a Netflix show anywhere else but Netflix.

And they staunchly refuse to put movies in theaters.

So Netflix is buying Warner Brothers,

home of Batman, Lord of the Rings.

Think about where this is going.

Holy cow.

Superman.

Holy cow.

Friends.

I mean it's all the DC.

But friends is under Warner Brothers,

which is likely is a lot of places now.

So this begs lots of questions no one has answered yet.

Are they gonna license other people?

I'll give you a weird one.

A lot of the Apple shows,

this is a competing streaming service, Apple.

Okay, but a lot of the Apple shows

are produced by Warner Brothers.

So is Netflix not going to allow

a Warner Brothers produced show

to now play exclusively on Apple

because Netflix now owns it?

This is a quagmire.

Now there's discussions that Netflix

is going to allow traditional Warner Brothers movies

to continue to get like big tent poles

that would have been Warner Brothers theatrical things

will still come out in theaters.

But theaters don't want to play Netflix movies

because Netflix has always been so adversarial to theaters

and just gone theaters don't matter

where it's just about what plays at home.

Which is the foundation of their business.

I get it.

Exactly, exactly.

So I'm mentioning this,

you may have read lots of things about it,

you may have read nothing about it,

but if you read past a headline and passing like,

oh, Netflix bought Warner Brothers, that's cool.

I saw the combined logo today

and it kind of gave me chills

because what this means is unknown,

but it means that Warner Brothers now owns

a huge library of properties

that if they decide to pull it all home

and keep it all on Netflix,

it's going to reduce opportunity

and it's going to reduce things in the theater

and they're going to have a massive monopoly

on their hands of the stuff they can only play.

Think all HBO shows of all time,

they could, you could maybe now only find them

on Netflix.

About HBO, wow, of all time.

That would mean what?

Friends, Seinfeld.

Game of Thrones too?

Of the Warner Brothers produced NBC stuff

would now be Netflix's library.

This is a big shift, it's a big change.

I don't know what it means,

it's not a have you seen this,

like have you seen this show,

but have you seen this happening?

It's not car related, I'm sorry about that,

but this is news, this is news that hits me

because I think about my history as a filmmaker,

my history in Hollywood and I'm just like,

that is a change.

I see that and definitely related to cars

because we see stuff all the time

that car manufacturers are doing

that we think, well, that'll make every car

just drive like every other car.

There's no, where's the boundary?

It's just a blurring of lines

whereas Volkswagen's investment in Rivian and Scouts

and the same 10-speed transmission

in the Mustang GTD and Corvette ZR1.

Well, does that mean they're just,

no, they program them differently

and they're different architecture of course

and there's differences,

but for all the other, hey, we're sharing technology,

Honda, GM, all these things that we hear like,

well, does that mean just there's going to be car

back to car?

It's just car.

We're just making car

and now I guess Netflix is just making content.

So we'll see where it goes.

Movie, the name of our new movie is movie.

New from Netflix show.

We at Netflix make movie and show.

Movie is longer, show is shorter.

We're also going to make shorts.

We're going to make movie, show and shorts.

I'm a little horrified, but that's my, did you see this?

But again, it's TBD.

There's all these questions and no answers.

Yes.

Kind of like a concept car.

We're bringing it all back around.

Anyway, we have so many questions about the Toyota

and no answers.

We just have to wait.

Uh-huh, yeah.

Okay. Speaking of waiting,

we'll see you guys live next Monday.

We're very excited about that

to do one in this studio with a live thing.

It's going to be very cool.

Rapid fire questions.

We promise it will be mostly about cars,

but we are taking all questions.

For sure.

We're looking forward to it.

As always, thanks for watching.

Cheers, everyone.

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