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The Porsche Panamera is a fancy car with four doors that is fast and comfortable. It’s good for everyday use and can carry more people than a sports car.
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy SUV that is fast and comfortable. It’s like a sports car you can also use to carry your family or groceries. People talk about it because it’s both powerful and practical.
The Porsche Boxster is a small, sporty car with two seats and a roof that can come down. It’s fun to drive and is a good way to start enjoying Porsche cars. The special 40th anniversary version has extra power and cool features.
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The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that looks unique and is very fast. The GT4 version uses a special engine without turbochargers to make driving feel more natural and exciting.
The Porsche 718 Spyder is a sporty car with a roof you can put down to enjoy open-air driving. But the roof has to be moved by hand, which can be tricky if you want to do it often.
The Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 is a sporty two-door car with a powerful 4.0-liter engine. It is designed to be fun to drive and practical enough for daily use.
It's a type of engine where the four cylinders lie flat and face away from each other. This helps the car stay balanced and makes a special engine noise.
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Down pipes are tubes in a car that help get the exhaust gases out faster, especially in cars with turbochargers. Changing them can make the car more powerful.
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I'm Aaron, and this is Peacart. Alright, welcome to the episode of Peacart Talk.
I'm Mike, and I'm Aaron. Let's go ahead and thank our people. Let's do it. We got
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Yeah, make some noise. Alright, let's get started. So, I was thinking about, I think,
a lot of people that made the people listen to us, or maybe friends that, of friends that
may listen to us. So, I think this would be a pretty interesting show. I think it's probably
going to be pretty lengthy. So, we're thinking it's probably going to be about two episodes,
so we'll go halfway through and then break it up and then have it the next week.
But we're going to discuss some of the modern, interesting cars,
kind of like, I wouldn't even call them classics. They're more modern. It's like,
basically, like 991s and like 4.0, GTS, Boxters, and Caymans, which are good all-rounders,
which would be good dailies. And not that these aren't special cars, but I don't want to use the
word and the nomenclature special for them. Yes, they are, but I want them. Which ones are practical?
Which ones have like, you think and I think have some longevity, or you could drive it for 10 years,
and hey, you're this, you drive to an office, you're going to go to the gym, maybe you have a
spouse, she has, you know, a different vehicle, you have this vehicle, or maybe you're single and
you can use this and you don't have children or dogs or anything that you need to do,
and this can be your all-rounder, essentially. And we're looking at sub $100,000 cars here,
and we're staying within Porsche, obviously. We know Porsches are expensive and we can go
outside of Porsche and, you know, that now turns into not a Porsche podcast. Porsche adjacent.
But yeah, and another reason why I'm bringing this up, I think it's important for a lot of
folks to kind of see where these price ranges are and what the power delivery is and what you're
kind of getting for your money within the Porsche. And these are all like very different vehicles,
and they offer different things. So I think the biggest thing what we always do, especially when
we have friends or anybody come to us, or even when we're shopping cars for ourselves, at least
if you've been in the game long enough, this isn't some special secret sauce, but you should be
doing this. Like, what is the purpose of this vehicle for me? You know, a lot of people buy
vehicles because they're just like, well, I just like it. Okay, that's great. But yeah, break it down
into like an engineering mindset of like, I'm going to be going, be very specific, right? Like, oh,
I'll occasionally go to the mountains. I mean, we all lie to ourselves. I'll be transparent. Like,
I need to have a GT3 because GT3 means performance. I'm going to go to the mountains all the time,
and I'm going to go to the track all the time. That car has been on track two or three times.
I'll be honest. I've been there. Yeah. And a lot of people, even by brand new GT3s with,
I wouldn't say necessarily lying to themselves, but rationalizing the purchase essentially,
saying it's the marketing around it. So you naturally going to be like, all right, you're
like, if I want, right? Yeah, if I want to go to the track I can with this, but I'm more than
likely, I'm just going to street drive it. And I'm not chastising anybody for what their decision
is, but I'm saying really, really focused. Like, that's what I'm trying to do with these vehicles
and what purpose do they have? Does it make sense? Does it not make sense? Which of these cars make
sense? And it's quite a few. That's why it's going to be a broken up show of what does the daily
stuff best. If you're doing mostly daily driving, does a manual transmission make sense? In my
opinion, no, it does not. Porsche makes a fantastic PDK. So I'll preface this entire list. All of
these cars are made in a manual. However, we're not going to go back and forth. We're just going to
discuss PDK for all of these vehicles for sake of argument sake and for time sake, because I'm
lumping these into a duality of daily driving with occasional spirited driving. Maybe once or
twice a year. If you live in an area, you know, you may live in an area, have better roads. I live
in Florida. I'm approaching this as if I was to buy one of these vehicles for living in South
Florida, which one of these vehicles makes sense? So let's get rolling. Do you want to describe what
your version of a daily is first? Because I mean, that can, what your daily check boxes are? Yeah,
for me, my daily would be, I mean, it sounds lame. It's got to sit in traffic. It's got to be able
to behave in traffic. So that makes sense for the PDK transmission. A lot of stop and go. If you live
in our area or you haven't been around our area, the traffic is dense. It's even getting more dense.
Didn't used to always be that way, but it is pretty heavy now. Outside of very, very early morning
hours, you're running into a lot of traffic. So and we don't have twisty roads here.
So yeah, so that that changes a little bit of, oh, well, I need to get the best dynamically
handing handling vehicle. I feel like almost everybody in South Florida doesn't really need
that if you're going to daily the car. Now, you know, we'll put it in a different category. You
know, we can do this with other vehicles as well when it's your special car. But again,
this is daily. So, you know, going to the gym, occasional grocery stop, dinner with the significant
other, maybe a highway blast because, you know, another beetle gets upset with you and you want
to show them how cool your beetle is. I don't know, something like that. Show them the spice.
Yeah, right. So we'll go ahead and start with the mid engine stuff. So this is,
this is going to be ranging all over Porsche, but specifically Porsche sports cars. We're not
talking about SUVs or McCons or any of that other stuff. We know what those costs. Everybody
knows what those costs. We know those. The purpose of those vehicles are to be daily.
Aaron and I both have those. They're great. If you have them, great cars. You know,
the Panamera, I feel like is also a good daily. I'm just not interested in the sedan. I even
considered putting a Sport Turismo on this on this list because they fall within that sub 100
and not on all these are used folks. I'm not talking about brand new stuff.
And these aren't like clapped out savage title cars. Like these are like no accident cars. And
when I give you price ranges and all that other stuff. So the other thing is sports car. Yeah,
I mean, if you know, you have a Cayenne Turbo, you know, the wife, the girlfriend or the significant
others using and that's their daily. They're all three. Yeah. And then it's hackley.
If you're balling like that. And vice versa, like, so if you need to take that vehicle for
someday, because maybe you need to move some payload around, whatever, you can use that.
And then she can use or he can use the other vehicle. So I figured, yeah, I'm thinking of a
two car garage solution, middle cap class family, both incomes do pretty well. You know, you're not
going to lose your shirt on on a vehicle. That's kind of like the way I looked at it. And also,
it needs to be somewhat practical. So without further ado, let's get started. So first one
on the list is 718 GTS Boxster 40. If you don't know, I'm just going to go through a little bit
of stats and then we'll talk about it. So 394 horsepower 309 foot pounds of torque price range
on a used one is basically around 75 on a high mile side on the lower mile side, you're you're
dipping into the 90s. Great overall car. And to add a little bit of substance behind this,
I dumped a lot of hours into watching a lot of YouTube review videos from like kind of like
the highlight reel of the people who are actually not Porsche centric kind of people that are like
actual automotive journalists that that they're giving fair reviews to these cars. So I've dumped
a lot of hours into these cars too. So I'll give a little, you know, cliff note version of each
one of these as well. So the great thing about this car is clearly it's a four liter. That's
really, really cool. There was a lot of blowback with the two and a half liter flat four turbo
that they made the GTS and the S's for a little bit. And so they brought this back. And then
we don't need to like relive it. But as we all know, they Porsche went ahead and killed
the Cayman in Boxster. So that kind of went away all together. So right now, like these are like
the last of until the next ones come out, which they will have naturally aspirated. So special
category, you know, the specialness of this car, I think it's up there. You know, one through five,
I would say it's probably like a three and a half. It's it's not run of the mill, but it's not like
ultra. It's not spider or RS level. So it's not in that category, but it is a special car.
Still got to find it. So to get one, they're not like everywhere. Yeah, there's not a bunch of them.
So there's that. But the cool thing is, is, you know, like all of these flat sixes, this car
needs to be revved out, right? So it doesn't have a ton of low end torque. It has some because it's
a four liter. So benefits of this car, it has a front and a trunk. The top comes down, which is
cool. Like there's a lot of people not real, I don't believe in this, but there are a lot of
old school people believe that a true sports car should be topless. I mean, I that's cool. I mean,
I don't I'm not arguing that I just don't feel that way. But I think it is a cool vehicle. The
only other vehicle I ever had that was a convertible. I had a E46 M3 that was a convertible
because we share everything else. Yeah. So, you know, so I think that car is pretty cool. What
are your thoughts on on a four liter Boxster? I think I agree that it can be a special car
because you can find you can find some cool colors. I don't know that I'd be in the top top of the
range. Looking for one. But if I could find a deal, that'd be nice. Yeah. And to be fair, like
if you find I say mild up when I say mild up, I'm not talking like there, there isn't really any
for sale to have 100,000 miles or anything like mild up is like 35,000 miles, you know, so. Okay,
sounds fairly new. Yeah, maybe 40,000 tops. So it's still pretty low miles and we all know these
engines and pretty much everything in Porsche makes pretty robust. So on the low end, you're
probably looking at 40,000 miles, probably like 70 to 80 K for one of these if you can find one.
I mean, it'd be cool to have four liter because you'll get a four liter built out of anywhere
else and it's 40 or 50 K. Yeah. So you probably should think about it in that way. How special
that motor actually is. Yeah. And it's a detuned version of the GT4 motor. That's what's in the
GT4. So like that's the horsepower difference. And that this four liter and that GT4 share.
Basically, it's the 911 three liter motor without the turbos and it's bored out to place
displacement to four liters. So like that's that's the you know, I don't want to mislead anybody
and say it's a motorsports engine because it's not a motorsports engine, still a DFI engine,
but it's still a great engine. Like it still makes a wonderful sound. It's a flat six.
And I and I lead with the detuned thing because you can go get a softronics tune and then it'll
make the same power as a GT4. And there's a company in the UK doing the whole air box plenum
with the intakes and everything on the sides. Yeah. So you know, you can get the two seater.
And then I didn't do curb weight on all of these because it would have got really, really,
but I just know them because I've been looking at all of these like you're looking around like
3,150, which is still pretty light, like right around depending on, you know, how how you spec it
if you got comfy seats or if you got buckets, which is pretty rare, like anywhere from like 3,100
ish. So I mean, pretty like car 400 horsepower, you can get more with a tune.
They sound great. Have space. So and the difference, the reason why I didn't pick spiders
and all that other stuff is because they're not under 100 grand. So and and I wanted to be like a
strong under 100 grand. I didn't want to play the game of like, well, you could find one for like
98 or I wanted to be like a hard under 100 grand. Now, the cool thing about this is
unlike the spider if for practicality from what what some of the cliff notes that I saw from
the reviews of comparing this to the spider, yes, it's not as special as a spider because it doesn't
have those speedster humps in the back where it kind of gives it that vibe where it looks cool.
A little bit, you know, different bodywork, some like different, you know, front bumper,
obviously rear diffusers different, some stuff like that. But the cool thing that this thing has
over this, the the spider is that it has the auto top. So like you could press the button and the
top goes down and the top goes up. If you're daily driving in and you want to actually take the top
off quite often, I could imagine and this is verbatim what some of the journalists were saying
where they were living with the cars for like a week or two weeks with a spider compared to
like a four liter, it got really convoluted taking the top on and off. I could see having the spider
as a special car, absolutely. But as a daily that really just does not make sense. So that's why this
is in place and price. Yeah, it'd be an addition to the fleet. And then it kind of just defeats the
purpose of the daily. You don't ever have the top on. Yeah, so it's just not a daily then, you know.
It's a sometimes. Yeah, so next one since naturally since we're talking about the boxer,
let's move forward with the 718 Cayman GTS four liter, same horsepower, a little bit of a price
bump, 80 to 95 range for those cars. Again, space is abundant. I would say a little even a little
bit more so because it has the rear hatch. So you could actually put stuff on top of the engine
bay, you probably have to a little shelf. Yeah, you have to bungee it down, but but it's there.
And then you have the front as well. I would say the same principles apply as far as the
the usage and the power, all the stuff that I mentioned. So to not sound redundant, I won't
repeat that. It's better though, because it's a coupe. Yeah, so if like, exactly if you in it
sucks to say this, but I mean, I don't believe this. I know there's a lot of people who think this,
but I don't believe it. So I will say that again, you know, that it's more sporty than
the convertible experience. But I don't necessarily agree with that because Porsche makes such a
rigid chassis. Yeah, like you're not going to feel chassis flex. That was a big thing too,
like what that I noticed. That's the marketing and everybody like anybody talked to any of us,
and like, oh, can't do the convertible, just you chassis flex, except well, I end the weight
difference in the convertibles for that chassis flex is because the brace doors and they do other
things that you can't see externally to come combat that. So there I mean, yeah, has to be some
validity to it. If they're not, I mean, if they're counteracting it. But not that we would feel
that on the daily. No, definitely not. And like I said, the category this fits into is
not that much mountain use, right? So you also have top wear to that's something to consider
having a because if you got to maintain it, there's some cleaning stuff for it. And then
yeah, I don't know. I've never heard of them like the glue coming in loose on the rear windows.
They're pretty robust. Like nowadays, like the early ones, yes, they learned. But like I did do
that research to say like how reliable are these, you know, these hydraulic tops, how how robust
are the stuff and they get like a really, really high rating. I mean, but you're talking 10 years
from the time you get it when they're 10 years old. We're not we haven't leaped for 20 years to
figure out true. But in general, I mean, they're still genuine boxers using original tops that
are fine that are still operating. So if that says anything for longevity, if you're hunting,
and you really want that convertible experience, was it just more the maintenance thing I wouldn't
let I wouldn't let that if anybody out is shopping two of these, I wouldn't even let that be a factor
for being like, Oh, well, I'm afraid that top might fail you. The likelihood is so low compared
to the experience. If you're if you're hunting an open air experience, that shouldn't at least in
Porsche, that shouldn't matter. Like it's fine. I think the really the real thing it boils down to
is, and even the newer tops, they have such good insulation. Like I was concerned about that too
is like, Oh, well, maybe road noise or just wind noise or any of that stuff, like the newer ones,
they don't do they're just like hard tops. They're so good, at least from the journalism, you know,
saying, I think the the big difference at least between the two for me, the obvious, you know,
elephant in the room is one's a convertible, one's a coupe. But I feel like the body lines
still with the Boxster, when the top is up, does not look good. Like that. I know it's
a necessary evil, obviously. But the way that car is designed, I feel like that car can only
have the top down, like it looks beautiful with the top down. But with the top up, I just, I just,
for me, aesthetically, I don't think I don't like that. That's because they didn't architecture
this slope the same way in the 991. Yeah, the 991. It doesn't. It doesn't. It looks more like a,
I must say, a cobra. Yeah. That's what it looks like. Yeah, it's like I had. Yeah. Because it's
so flat. Yeah. But it has to be right because it's mid engine. So they can't design that like it has
to, yeah, that top goes in right before the engine. So it has to, it has an abrupt like it goes
right in behind those seats. I didn't even think about it because of that. Yeah. And then over the
top of the motor too. Yeah. So they don't want to mess with that. So I mean, if, if you're worried
about body lines, I would say if you're just looking from the car out at the car aesthetically,
obviously horsepower, all this stuff, there's a little bit of a price delta between the two of them.
But if you're not hell bent on having an open air experience, I would definitely
push people towards the Cayman GTS4 leader as opposed to the Boxster. But now,
you can just treat it like the 996. You can't see the headlights when you're driving it, right? So
you can't see the top while you're driving it. It's true. It's true. The outside. Yeah, put it down
and then leave. So people can throw shit inside of it. I got some free prizes. Don't look out.
Nice cool Boxster. I will, I will bring in an honorable mention for the Boxster.
There was a 25th anniversary with the four liter that they made the 25th anniversary Boxster.
And that was a special edition where they only made like 1500 or so of those vehicles.
And they only made them in three colors. There's like a GT silver. There's a white and there's a
black. But they have very distinct characters, characterizations to make them their anniversary.
They have like anodized like gold wheels. Yeah. So I mean, that car, if you're really,
really shooting for one and you're going to get a Boxster four liter, there's not a bunch of those
either. But that that I feel like that looks distinctly different enough than even the four
liter because it does have a little bit more treatment. And a lot of it, some will just,
you know, argue that it's window dressing. But and some of it is. But the nice part is, is
it has pretty much all of the high end, like selectable GT stuff, meaning you can still get
a four liter and not select ventilated seats. And you can still do that stuff like the 25th
anniversary comes with everything. It's just like a box checked for everything. Like there's no,
like unless you go in and undo it and you ordered one new, you're getting the full gamut,
you're getting the sports exhaust, you're getting heated ventilated seats, you're getting all of
the stuff. So and you're getting the special wheels, you're getting the the number plaque,
all the stuff that goes on with that. And those don't cost any more, actually. There's some that are
super low miles that are outside of the $100,000 window. Yeah, but you wouldn't you wouldn't shop
those anyways, if you're going to daily it. So the those variants are out. So let's move forward.
Since we're talking about those, let's talk about the 718s, gts is an s's that were made prior,
and they're still the and the s variant that was made during while these four liter gts is that
were being made. So if you're uneducated about it, it was a two and a half liter flat four turbo
charged engine, got a lot of backlash from a lot of enthusiasts about this same engine and in the
Cayman and the gts just like the four liter they both share this horsepower for the s variant is
350 horsepower or 309 foot pounds of torque gts variant gets a bump. It's just really software
honestly a 365 horsepower 317 foot pounds of torque. That shows you right there how tunable
this thing is right like they didn't really do any it's the same engine it's the same turbos
it's just it's it's a software bump. Now the gts obviously has different interior treatment.
You can get a gts interior package. What's growing me just means Alcantara. Yeah, exactly whatever
it's called deviated stitch on the leather like extended stitch on the dash. That's kind of what
it comes with. One journalist did make an argument which I kind of agreed with like if you're getting
the gts why do you have to buy a gts package to get the interior which I totally agree. The car's a
gts like it's just another way for Porsche to upsell you. What I mean if I was driving like I
don't like Alcantara. I don't either it doesn't wear well whatever yeah yeah it doesn't wear well
like if I was hunting a daily like I would full leather like I don't the last longer yeah it
lasts longer like you want all of those things like if you're sitting in any traffic in the summer
and you're dailying this you want a ventilated seat like you want that especially in a drop top
like you're baking in the sun like it's already 88 degrees exactly you need to cool the swamp
pass down right like you gotta cool that down man at least at least it helps it helps like I mean
it's not is it perfect system no but it's better than not having it. I feel like this is a really
interesting topic on these two vehicles like the 2.5 liter variant because
so many people I would say including us have I guess a superstition about it or just how they
feel about it even though we've never owned the vehicle we know people that have owned them and
they've been on our rallies and they scoot they're fast and they're tuned and there's been a lot of
people I don't know I guess kind of give them negative play just because it's a flat four
like oh it sounds like a super it sounds like a WRX it sounds like this you know I spent a lot of
time and I was one of those people but the more videos I watched and the more stuff I watched
and now these are a lot of them were modified not like significantly modified but like a tune
and down pipes and and decadded and stuff like that does it have some of that variant in it yet
does but you know not to get like really in the weeds like Porsche was making flat fours before
Superu even was making flat four engines so if anything yeah like if anything I mean even the
old school four cams like even not even talking about 356 is like the spider race cars and stuff
those were those were flat fours and again this is Porsche's way of tying it in but history is
history so that's why they have it changed the name to that 718 because it harkens back
to the 718 old school spider like from back in the day so there's a little bit of that there
I think if anything it should be the other way around so if you own one of these don't let people
knock you I think it's a cool car they're fast they're super tunable some of the stuff I watched
on them like tune down pipes like a proper exhaust I mean you're going from 365 to like
almost 500 yeah so in the car weighs 3100 pounds here yeah it's a it's a flat four it's not a flat
six but it's faster yeah and if yours to be and if you're chasing speed and to be honest with you
like this I'm gonna say something in a little bit it's gonna sound pretty controversial so let's go
over the pricing so the the boxer variant bottom side mild up cars maybe maybe a minor on carfax
40,000 to about 60,000 ish on those cars it's incredible how like the market's treating them
like meaning like they're almost like stepchildren like almost 996 type of love whether it's like
this is the more modern they're like oh man that thing's garbage and then the Cayman's right around
45 a little bit of price bump on that on the top end like GTS is that aren't super mild up you know
25,000 miles ish like 75 grand obviously same storage capacity same car for both of the four
liters in this so we don't need to get into that again but I think the the biggest variant obviously
is the power plant yeah it's a huge that's the hugest thing the difference between two of these
so if you don't care what people think I personally believe like the gts or the s variant in this in
the 718 with a tune and all that other stuff man those are heartbreakers like you want to break
people's hearts like that's the car to do it in like where people are like oh that's cute Cayman
you got there and then you have turbo s speed and like a gts and you're like yeah that's cool like
yeah make fun of my my forebanger I just like ripped your face off it's modern 944 in a way
yeah kind of like with probably a lot better reliability obviously um and it's a robust
engine too obviously you don't want to over boost this thing I mean boosting and with
within moderation I'm sure there's some knuckleheads that have blown stuff up out there but
you know you do a soft tronics tune you probably get about 115 horsepower bump about 150 torque
bump you know and and you you oem plus that thing and run either a sport cat or a de-catted thing
and some like down pipes and if you really want to go nuts upgrade some intercoolers but you don't
even need to do that and you're pushing close to 500 horsepower like dude that's the beauty of a
boosted car and it's a daily yeah let's remind those who back to that it's still valuable and
that's what I was going to say is the variant difference between this and the four-liter I
think this does better daily duty because the torque curve comes in way lower in the rpm
because in that four-liter you need to ring that thing out yeah this thing makes all its power
in the mid-range because it's a turbochar so and it still revs out pretty good but its peak power
starts around like 2000 rpms and I'm sure like any other tuner you can probably have a stock tune
yeah and kill tune and just absolutely switch between the two and then that's
yeah the duality there exactly where you're not putting unnecessary stress on the engine for
daily use if you don't need to and you can flip back and forth you could go really really nuts
with this erin road and a came in s years ago this two and a half liter variant that was really
juiced up like bigger turbos bigger everything you know olymps collovers arrow everything at
seabring and that thing gets that they get down man and people's passing everything yeah they're
fast they're super super fast do we not drive that one in sunghost no we didn't drive that car I
think for insurance purposes they did because the only time we really walked around it yeah the only
time we ever were around it and a heavy amount of time was that actually at the track so but
yeah that thing if you wanted to not that again we're talking about daily stuff but I mean it is
capable so it can it can do all those things um what are your thoughts on the turbo motor like
well how do you feel about that do you feel that like that if you were or somebody you knew at owned
one um you know I know we've driven with them and in the mountains and stuff so I'm not I'm counting
that but not counting it because you don't really get the format opinion with that but I'm saying
like if you get exposure to being around one on quite a bit do you feel like there's that sound
that it makes and knowing that it's a flat four is that enough for you to turn you off or is that
something where you're like I don't really care what people think what are your thoughts on that I
mean sounds a big thing for me um so I don't know that I could get over the sound part but if there
was a right exhaust or something like that if something could change that opinion I think I
could live with it I don't think it would be nobody else would be caring is that me because
I'm having a daily and so I'm gonna live with it um because the tunability we're talking about it's
pretty nuts yeah well you get a lot more when you tune it and then you and you take out the
cats and stuff you get a lot more turbo spool yeah so I think that actually takes out a lot of the
the wrx sound and if I didn't have a lot of I don't have a special car and this was the daily then
and it was different from you know if I didn't have a turbo car yeah that's something to another
thing is what we've got to talk about before like with your stuff like if you don't have a turbo car
outside the cayenne yeah um then maybe that's something to chase
even though then Volkswagen it kind of reminds me of like Volkswagen roots you know yeah I think
like when we talked about the other two cars and like this was the x factor as well
I think the other two cars you know 10 plus years would age well still like and because it has a lot of
old school Porsche DNA with having a four-liter and like meaning speeding up the cars that we
already talked about I think these two might not age as well like the two and a half liter
but I could be wrong because they could be actually really special because there was a
place in time car where they made it and they made the Cayman s with the two and a half liter
they stopped obviously making that it was only for the s variant and then like the base and the base
was a two-liter we're not even discussing that but up until they killed off the car yeah I doubt that
car is going to come back ever again as a flat four just because of the fallout so if you're playing
devil's advocate a little bit it could be special just because of it was a timing car meaning like
it was that weird time where they where they tried that and did that so in 10 years maybe that I
wouldn't say it would be sought after but it would be unique because of that I could see the flat four
coming back the only reason they have hyper turbo now that's true that's it that'd be easy I think
an easy plug and play for them that would make sense yeah so the naturally aspirated naturally
that's right yeah the unaltered hybrid version is going to be the last one no there'll be some
specialness to it yeah so going back to what Aaron just said if if that happens then I would
then I take what I set off the table because then these won't be that uniqueness of where
it was a variant of that time if that if it doesn't come back I could see the Porsche
I guess you know like super tuners if you want to call them that or the people that are really
really into tuning and looking for that well how do I get into Porsche but not spend a fortune
like I could feel like that car is going to be that car almost kind of like how the 996
turbo was where man you could buy those for 35 grand remember that and I think it's going to
I think this car could be that yes it doesn't have the specialty of the Metzger engine but
we're talking about price point and entry point where you're getting a lot of bang for your buck
and if you really want to turn the wick up you don't have to spend that much more money
as opposed to like like you mentioned earlier hey you want to build a four liter you're looking
at 50 60 70 100 grand you still won't be a 500 horsepower yeah and you still won't have the
torque you still won't have all this and like you could go spend $3,500 and have 500 horsepower
and daily it and it won't it won't be bucking it won't it'll be compliant when you want it to be
compliant and when you want to turn it on and mash it it'll go and it'll do all the things
I mean when you say it like that if I didn't tell you that the motor was a flat four you'd be like
sign me up especially on the price point right you'd be like man because this is of all the cars
that we're discussing this is the most affordable of them and I guess rightfully so because the
market isn't really interested in them which do you have a color or anything you're shopping
is like they're kind of like silver wheels and certain color um I would prefer silver wheels
but I'm being pretty open to like whatever is available obviously and that and that's another
factor too where I'm looking at stuff where can I drive a python green car for 15 years
you know what does that look like when it's green again what do I look like when I'm in my late 50s
driving that car do I look like a boy racer and not like a gentleman anymore or do I look like
as it looked cool and say oh that's cool not that I care what other people think
but I'm saying how I feel about myself in that car like do I feel like I've outgrown this car I've
outgrown this color so yeah I have thought about color and I've thought about which ones I should
move on or which which ones would be good for me I mean it is difficult to say like oh man like
I just want to have a run of the mill because you want to have fun with your daily too
um I would say honestly of all the coloring that I probably would go to like I'm looking at
they sound boring but like chalk colors like where it's unique enough but it's not like chalk or
like glacier blue metallic you know where like albert's like a gt3 was that color yeah um
or that they might call it wolf gray you know and then there's a couple other ones I look at
like if I were to get the boxer anniversary one I would get the gt silver one with the gold wheels
I like the way that looks but again it's easy to overthink stuff like you can sit there and like
kill yourself with a thousand thoughts will that red interior because of standard red no but I'm
just saying like how would I feel about that 10 years from now do am I gonna like yeah this is
like so ostentatious you know like I don't even want to put the top down because I don't want people
to see the red interior you know that's like a bad look you know so I'm also looking like that too
and I think a lot of people should be doing that if this car is going to have a duality
you shouldn't just be like yes it's shiny it's blue I want that and oh man that linen tear is
going to be sick it's like no what's that going to look like in 10 years you are you still going
to love that miami blue in 10 years yeah are you seeing a cost difference in color a little bit um
python greens a little bit of a bump especially on that in the Boxster Cayman range
but you know like those four leaders they came with some really cool colors too
because I think they were definitely trying to make them special there's this really cool
I forget the name of it I only saw one of them but it was it was like a wolf gray I think it was
like wolf gray metallic but it looked like blue but it wasn't blue and had like gray mixed in
it it just it looked really really good um all right well let's go a little bit longer
and then we'll kill this show and pick it up on the next one because we've been going what 35 ish
minutes yeah all right so next vehicle we're moving into the 9-11 range um yeah done I don't care
what you say that's what it is so going 9 9 9 11 991.1 base Carrera so the base Carrera is a 3.4
liter it's an if you didn't know it's an NA flat 6 350 horsepower 287 foot pounds of torque
these have a little bit these are a little bit older than both of the vehicles that we've already
talked about so like if you didn't know these started coming out in 2012 um now they made a
bunch of these so that's a positive not a negative so that means there's a lot to choose from in a
good way um your price points looking at on the low end around 50,000 miles I mean excuse me not
miles 50,000 dollars with 100,000 miles now these motors have are pretty robust as well like these
these dfi engines there's there's not a lot of catastrophic failure here you're not sitting here
worrying about ims bearings or any of that other stuff with these cars so mileage shouldn't really
scare you especially if you're going to daily it and then you're also trying to save money
so on the low end you're looking at 50 grand on the high end with something you know maybe has
50,000 miles 60,000 miles you're in the 70s you know 70 to 75,000 so which is kind of strong
money though because like i've seen a lot of like you know 14 15 I mean it is but it isn't to get into
a 9 11 true because we're like we talked about before it's it's 140 for a 9 2 yeah base without
anything just to get in the brand and something acting and reliable and this is where this if
you really care about longevity and maybe what you're driving where you're sacrificing some money
to drive a 9 11 like this is where this step up begins like because if you if you buy a nicer
variant you know at 70 grand I mean you could get into a boxer gts at 70 70 grand
two and a half liter and 20,000 miles you know so what are you what are you that's where the
games are word yeah word are you interested in you know what is it what are you do you have to
have a 9 11 or do you not care about that doesn't need to be in a yeah are you chasing you know and
if you don't know like we're going to go through the gamut the 991.1s are the last na 9 11s developed
so and that's you know from base s gts all of those those are all naturally aspirated
so you're in that realm how do you feel about a bait would you like it's not really fair comparison
like to compare it to the two and a half liter you already said you aren't interested in that
so i'll give you a cross comparison would you rather spend $70,000 on a 991 Carrera base model
like and if and if you're spending 70 it's it's probably well specced and some of them did have
sports chrono and sports exhaust and ventilated seats and heated seats let's just say it's all of
those things yeah and it's a base or would you have a Cayman gts 4 liter that has 400 horsepower
you have 50 more horsepower than the 9 11 and now there's about a $10,000 difference like I said like
the base Cayman's about 80 so let's just say that there's a five let's just bring the the 70 up to
75 and say there's would you stretch the extra $5,000 to buy the Cayman or would you buy the base
9 11 Cayman all day yeah i'm just never gonna get the power out of that 3.4 liter if even if i'm
not chasing it i'll have a well good a guide i mean you can't get anything else for that price
range that four liters just is there i don't have to do anything i mean yeah i'm gonna be missing out
on the 9 11 but i'm not gonna be missing out on you know lack of horsepower either i would probably
in this situation i would probably go for a higher mile 9 11 as opposed to chasing the gts
4 liter because those are all pretty low miles um just because i'm thinking long term i'm thinking
like 10 15 years like i still think i would like to own the 9 11 even if it's a if it's a base model
like because that 3.4 still sounds really good it's like it still delivers like really good power
i would i would my rationalization to myself would say okay well you know what i'll do is
i don't feel comfortable spending $70,000 for a base 9 11 yeah because what we just talked about
or you could buy the four liter so i i would personally change that delta myself where i say
why didn't spend that i spent $57,000 for a base 9 11 it had higher miles had 85,000 miles on it
however i still got sports crono i still got ventilated seats i still got all those things
and that way like in my mind i'll rationalize like and in order for me to buy the gts it would
have been 80 so essentially i saved $23,000 by not buying that car and that'd be a big enough delta
me mentally to be okay with that move now the closer you get to that gts pricing on that four
liter i would have more problems with that mentally dealing with that like where if i was like oh i
bought a base 991.1 for $75,000 i think that would be a poor decision yeah um just that that's just
my thought process on it um all right that's a good time let's uh let's go ahead and take a break
cut and then we'll do part two of this because we have three more cars to talk about still and
some other topics so we still have quite a bit to go so we don't want to inundate you all on this
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About this episode
Mike and Aaron dive into comparing Porsche 718 and 991 models as practical daily drivers under $100K. They focus on real-world usability, especially in traffic-heavy areas like South Florida, emphasizing PDK transmissions over manuals for daily convenience. The discussion highlights the 718 GTS Boxster 4.0, praising its naturally aspirated flat-six engine, convertible appeal, and balanced performance. They consider factors like longevity, practicality, and spirited driving potential, aiming to help listeners choose a Porsche that fits everyday needs rather than just performance fantasies. This is part one of a two-episode series.
The question sounds simple until you actually start answering it: if you're shopping PDK because this car is going to sit in traffic more days than it sees a mountain road, which Porsche makes the most sense? The lineup starts with the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and Cayman GTS 4.0 — both making 394 horsepower and 309 torque, with the Boxster ranging $75k to $90k and the Cayman $80k to $95k. Step down to the turbocharged variants and you're at 350 horsepower in the S and 365 in the GTS, torque actually matching the 4.0 at 309 and 317 respectively, with Boxster money starting in the $40k range and Cayman topping out around $75k.
The 4.0 is the easy emotional answer. The turbo variants are the practical one. The hosts work through both.
The 991 Enters the Conversation
Just as the 718 debate starts to settle, the 991 world opens up and complicates everything. The 991.1 Carrera with the 3.4L naturally aspirated flat six makes 350 horsepower and 287 torque and can be found in the $50k to $70k range — the 991.1 Carrera S bumps that to 400 horsepower with a 3.8L and asks $60k to $85k. Then the 991.2 comes in with the 3.0L twin-turbo making 370 horsepower in the base car and 420 in the S, and suddenly you're looking at a very different ownership proposition from a very different price bracket.
We're just getting into it — Part Two picks up right here.
Outro
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