THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! Sep 13, 2024

Why Hoonigan Went Bankrupt? The Lamborghini Gallardo is Cheaper Than a 911!

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Car

Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro

The Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro is a big SUV made for off-roading. It has special features to help it handle rough terrain better than regular SUVs.

Car

The Jeep Wrangler is a tough, boxy car that people love to take off-road, meaning they drive it on rough, unpaved paths. Many owners like to customize their Wranglers with different wheels and accessories to make them look unique or perform better.

Company

Hoonigan

Hoonigan is a company that makes clothing and car-related products. They are popular in the car community for their fun videos and events.

Company

BBS

BBS makes wheels for cars that are popular among racing and car enthusiasts. They are known for making strong and stylish wheels.

Company

Recaro

Recaro makes special seats for cars that are designed to be more comfortable and supportive, especially during racing.

Company

Parts ID

Parts ID sells different parts and accessories for cars, helping people find what they need for repairs or upgrades.

Term

aftermarket manufacturers

Aftermarket manufacturers make car parts that you can buy instead of the ones that came with your car. They can help improve how your car looks or works.

Car

BMW M5

The BMW M5 is a fast and powerful version of the regular BMW 5 Series. It's designed for people who want a sporty car that still feels luxurious.

Car

Hyundai Envision 74

The Hyundai Envision 74 is a new concept car from Hyundai that looks like a modern version of the famous rally cars from the 1980s. It's designed to show off new ideas and technology.

Term

brake horsepower

Brake horsepower is how much power an engine can produce without any losses. It's a way to measure how strong an engine is before it has to deal with things like heat and friction.

Term

torque

Torque is like the strength of the engine that helps it turn the wheels. It affects how quickly a car can speed up or pull heavy loads.

Car

Lexus LFA

The LFA is a supercar made by Lexus, famous for its powerful engine and sporty design. It's a high-end car that was made in limited numbers.

Company

Brembo

Brembo makes brakes for cars, especially high-performance ones. They're known for making brakes that help cars stop better and faster.

Car

Lucid Air

The Lucid Air is a new electric car that is very fancy and can go a long way on a single charge. It's designed to be luxurious and has lots of cool features.

Car

Lucid Gravity

The Lucid Gravity is a new electric SUV that will be fancy and have lots of tech features. It's made by a company that focuses on electric cars and is designed to be very comfortable.

Concept

midsize SUV

A midsize SUV is a type of car that is bigger than a small SUV but not as big as a large one. It usually has enough room for a family and their belongings.

Car

Mercedes-Benz EQS

The Mercedes EQS is a high-end electric car from Mercedes-Benz, known for its luxury features and long range. It's one of the top models in their electric lineup.

Car

Volvo EX90

The Volvo EX90 is an electric SUV from Volvo that focuses on safety and technology. It's part of Volvo's new line of electric vehicles.

Car

Rivian R2

The Rivian R2 is a smaller electric vehicle that Rivian plans to release. It's designed to be more affordable and appeal to more people.

Company

Lucid Motors

Lucid Motors is a company that makes electric cars, focusing on luxury and advanced technology. They aim to compete with other high-end car brands in the electric vehicle market.

Car

Lucid

Lucid is a company that makes electric cars, which are vehicles powered by electricity instead of gasoline. Their cars are known for being very luxurious and high-tech.

Car

Tesla Model S

Car

Tesla Model Y

The Tesla Model Y is a smaller electric SUV that is great for families and has a lot of the same technology as the Model 3.

Car

Tesla Model X

The Tesla Model X is a fancy electric SUV that has unique doors that open up like wings. It's known for being able to drive a long distance on a single charge and has lots of tech features.

Term

midsize luxury SUVs

Midsize luxury SUVs are bigger than small SUVs but not as big as the largest ones. They are designed to be comfortable and have high-end features, making them appealing to people who want a nice vehicle with plenty of room.

Car

Ford Mustang Mach-E

The Ford Mustang Mach-E is a new electric SUV that looks like a Mustang but is designed for families or people needing more space. It's fully electric, meaning it runs on batteries instead of gas.

Car

Ford Lightning

The Ford Lightning is an electric version of Ford's popular F-150 truck. It's designed to look and function like a regular truck but runs on electricity instead of gasoline, making it more environmentally friendly.

Car

BMW M3

The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty version of a regular BMW car, designed for people who love to drive. It has a big front grille that some people find unusual, but it helps the car look aggressive and sporty.

Car

Bentley Flying Spur

The Bentley Flying Spur is a super fancy car that is very luxurious inside and has a powerful engine. People talk about it because it's a symbol of wealth and style.

Car

Mercedes-Benz SL

The Mercedes-Benz SL is a fancy convertible car that looks great and is fun to drive. It has a roof that can go up and down, making it perfect for sunny days.

Part

V8 engine

This is a powerful engine with eight cylinders that helps cars go fast and run smoothly.

Term

twin-turbo

This means the engine has two devices that help it get more air, making it stronger and faster.

Car

Rolls-Royce Wraith

The Rolls-Royce Wraith is a very fancy car that looks beautiful and is really powerful. It's known for being one of the most luxurious cars you can buy.

Car

Maruti 800S

The Maruti Suzuki 800 is a small car that many people in India used to drive because it was affordable. It's known for being practical and helped a lot of families own a car.

Car

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hello and welcome to this car pod I'm

Kenan I'm felipo and today we're joined

by our crazy friend Nick I killed Doug

no no he did not kill Doug Doug is just

fine but he is driving back across the

country in his Toyota seoa TRD Pro with

all of his stuff and noodle so he

couldn't be here today so we're going to

carry on anyway welcome Nick happy to

have you show let's go on I'm excited to

be here we can't find Doug all the camo

on the car really hard to find them yeah

those those camo Fender FL they had the

car but we're going to follow the same

format as usual we're going to start

with the news fipo take it away we're

going to start by talking about the

hoonigan bankruptcy which is kind of a

misnomer because really they were

purchased in addition to being by

private Equity Company by company called

wheelpros that a lot of other companies

that now does business as Honan but Nick

tell us more about it this is

interesting I love modern cars uh much

so the Chagrin of some other group here

um wheelpros owns pretty much every

aftermarket Wheel Company you could

think of Roi form meth KMC TSW you name

it like if you have aftermarket wheels

on your car it's like an 80% chance that

they produce them wild like I the

utopian had a great article about the

bankruptcy and they listed a lot of the

brands it is just a wild number of

brands that they've acquired over the

last however many years it's not super

surprising that they're filing for

bankruptcy giv that like they clearly

what what ends up happening is you

acquire these companies with a bunch of

private Equity money you make it work on

paper by saying if all of these Brands

grow x% if we somehow magically double

sales for all of these then we'll be

profitable well it turns out you can't

or it's not that easy or they weren't

successful at doing it and now you

own Forge American ra American Racing

KMC Wheels Niche performance replicas uh

Road of for like you said smittybuilt uh

XD Wheels which is on every questionably

modified Wrangler Fuel Off-road like

they they own all these companies it's

not super surprising they weren't super

they weren't that successful and that

they have a ton of debt from all the

purchases yeah I mean I think there were

a lot of hot takes on Instagram that

were pretty bad yeah like people were

surprised how does hoonigan who makes

like hoodies and stickers get $1.5

billion in debt but like hoonigan

probably wasn't even losing money as the

the brand right it's all it's this

portfolio of 40 Brands they also own a

lot of like off-road lighting and lift

kits and like you name it and I think

like anytime you have a portfolio Brands

there's going to be winners and losers

and you just hope like hey some of the

brands are doing really hot and offset

the ones that are not doing so well but

if you have a bad year and all of them

do poorly then it can get kind of dicey

so yeah and it's I want to repeat it

because I think it's important it's

Wheel Pros LLC doing business as

hoonigan they they purchased the

hoonigan brand that we know that that

all is and then rebranded their main

holding company as Honan and that's

who's filing for bankruptcy and there's

also two kinds of bankruptcy right and I

think most people know this but like

there's the we're completely dissolving

and going away and there's the hey just

like give us a second to get our feet

restructure our Deb and then like we're

going to continue on this is more of

like a paperwork thing to appease our

creditors so like they're not going away

like I think this is just like business

as usual and I think the other hot take

was like oh PE is terrible we hate

private Equity but like private Equity

also can like help some of these Brands

grow Nick is coming out with a pro

private equity

as a company that that has majority

investment for a private Equity company

support it we do a lot of marketing for

peack companies and like it's some

circumstances is good some it's bad it's

just like the hot take of like all PE is

bad is like yeah as stupid as it sounds

saying it aloud now Wheel Pros or H

hunigan and clearly Capital their

private record company that invest

majority money has done some

questionable things right they they've

lost a lot of talent Honan is the most

visible branch of that they've lost a

lot of talent there they made a lot of

decisions that don't to Enthusiast make

a lot of sense and Al don't probably

make a lot of sense in the market that

they were competing so it's not like

they're blameless here certainly but I

do kind of agree you won't really see a

difference fuel is still going to sell

you those those those wheels and and

parts all the brands I think will

continue to be around for at least a

while yeah well and remember BBS and

ricaro have had bankruptcies this year

Parts ID which you might not know but

they made car ID also had a bankruptcy

like for whatever reason aftermarket

Automotive seems to be hurting and I you

don't say I don't I actually don't know

why I mean maybe you do I me it's such a

disposable income kind of thing right

like you're only going to buy

modifications for your car if you have

money to buy modifications for your car

VW Vortex OG is all right that last

check that last penny I have our friend

Sam he Once Sold a what was it a set of

wheels to a guy who's like I use my

severance check to buy these wheels I'm

unemployed and you're like are you sure

this is like what you should be using

your Severance for but us people who

like to mod our cars we're a different

kind of crazy like that's such a good

point same tax returns are like a boon

to the aftermarket cuz everyone's like

oh I got like 800 bucks from the

government that'll buy me a tune and an

intake like I bet that half of their

companies are waiting for April 15th

that there's like if if I can make it

till the middle of April we'll be I

wonder if they all got fat and happy off

stemi checks during Co and now they're

like they're like also comping negative

year-over year because like there's no

free government money they were also

acquired during a time when everybody it

was really hard to buy a new car you

maybe wanted to keep your current car

for longer cha like change something by

your current car you maybe had disposal

income you couldn't really leave your

house and that was not the best time I

think to probably acquire a parts

company well the takeaway here everyone

go mod your cars support your favorite

aftermarket manufacturers and go cars

bids.com and buy a different car and

sell your current car just leave your

car alone some you spent $177,000

replace under body pan maintenance main

not modifications modifications ruin

cars maintenance keeps a car the way

it's supposed to be do you want to go

deep on the modifications on your M5

Cannon we can do it live there are are

so the reliability modifications I

recognize that there are some

modifications that improve the

reliability of cars but they are far and

few between and I'm sure most of those

companies are not the kind of

modifications I would approve of but

we'll move on and yeah we can stop being

a business podcast yeah exactly exactly

okay we're moving on to my story next

this is the Hyundai Envision 74 now this

was released in concept form and the

went crazy for those of you who are

unfamiliar with this car it looks so

cool it looks very like group like a

modern take on a group b car is the way

I would describe it um and it and it is

cool like in theory it was going to have

um it was going be a hydrogen turbo

powered car not still not entirely sure

exactly how that works um but but and it

was going to have 670 brake horsepower

and 664 fo pounds of torque so it was

going to be like a very serious car

Hyundai's idea with it was they were

going to make a play for like a super

carish like their idea of

LFA if you will yeah yeah exactly but

the crazy thing is that they have said

they're going to put this car into

production by

20130 which is if you haven't checked

your calendars this Doug said

tomorrow and so it's like wow if there

and I'm skeptical that they do build it

I think it would be cool it would be

difficult to sell I mean what Hyundai

dealership this car I don't think I

think Hyundai is in a state right now

where they are willing to try things

especially they say it's going to be

hydrogen be honest it's going to be an

electric car uh it's it's hydrogen fuel

cells and electric motors honest it's

going to be one of they're B right like

when they actually build it and by the

way they didn't say they were going to

build it it showed up in a dealer

presentation they have these like deal

every manufacturer has these dealer

meetings every year where they show off

like upcoming inventory this was

included so we're all hoping but I they

don't need to sell many right it would

be a very much a halo car for them

couple $1,000 but like it might work as

a Halo card but a couple $1,000 for a

Hyundai might work as a halo car though

I mean it's so cool I just find it the

but the people who like it are

enthusiasts yeah I don't know that them

yeah Hyundai wants more of them but I

don't think that enthusiasts are going

to spend a couple hundred thousand dos

on a Hyundai admittedly I think like the

I think their end line is generally very

good and those are accessible cool cars

and we see them with frequency people do

drive them I sawday yet I haven't seen

that on the road yet but I have seen but

I've seen I've seen aunch of ends around

I've seen stuff like that I think that

are trying to do that more like I think

they want that reputation and yeah and

this is just it's damn cool their

designers are so good yeah they they the

design is really struck out of the park

so I don't know I would love it if they

make that we'll we'll certainly see it's

nebulous if it will actually come into

exist existence I again I I suspect not

but I kind of love when manufacturers

that otherwise sell a lot of Santa Fe

and and tucsons then come out with

things like this it's like it shows that

there's like a lot of excitement and

like I think that it shows that there's

they're giving their Engineers some room

to like explore and I think that that's

fun well I I like bold stuff like this

so I I hope they build it I hope we see

them in our Hyundai showrooms and you

know next to whatever lease is like good

you know next to that car the point of a

halo car is a marketing exercise not

necessarily to move units so it's

working we're talking about it working

already that's right I can already

picture a car week like just sitting

there on you know I can see it I mean

you got to think eventually with EVS in

can share the skateboard the underlying

components like doing custom oneoff

bodies and throwing brembos on it won't

actually require a

$300,000 cost of manufacturing per

unless they actually do the hydrogen

thing they say they're going to do which

is question would be intense Renault by

the way we don't have this the new

server Renault last week teased like a

they're doing a bunch of one-off cars uh

using electric platform one of them they

did that they announced last week is a

car from the like late' 70s that they

sold very few of and only Europe but

that they did not sell well then but it

looks cool now so I think that they're

not alone in trying to figure out like

how do we kind of uh try something new

here now that we can do it without

developing everything from scratch good

luck to Rena that sounds even uh crazier

than this so yep yeah good good luck

well it's really cool and I certainly

hope that they build this car and we'll

see it in Hyundai showrooms yeah

everywhere moving on all right Lucid has

said that they're going to build a sub

50,000 SUV so they have the Lucid air

which has been around for a couple years

and sells poorly but it's really cool uh

they have over the last year been

talking about the gravity which is going

to be their like large SUV a few people

have seen it in person they they've done

reveals we know that that's coming out

later this year in theory uh yes we know

that very well I'm just learning this

right now but it's wellknown fact it's a

new car and you live in automo knowledge

peaked in 2010 you know I'm I'm

refreshing the Lucid website every day

and just seeing what they're putting out

so uh so they are coming out with a

larger TV called the gravity and then

they just teased earlier this this week

that they're going to be making a sub

$50,000 like small midside midsize SUV

um and we know nothing else about it

except that it'll be under $50,000 and

they're clearly very proud of the design

based on

the there have been questions for a long

time about what else Lucid would build

right they they started out with an

sedan which was maybe the wrong call

right everybody wants SUVs why lead with

a sedan although I great I mean every

review of the Lucid ER is generally

positive except for from owners where it

broke down

uh and the price the price is kind of

Hefty um the gravity will be like an eqs

competitor of memory service model xish

uh Volvo ex90 competitor and this will

be smaller uh rivan R2 sized in theory

and sub $50,000 which is where you get

the mainstream folks actually may be

interesting Nick would buy $50,000 SUV

once it's worth $110,000 which is a year

yeah after comes out uh it'll be

interesting I'm glad they're building

more cars uh uh they in my head Lucid

has led the market in like electric

motor development that they have Theon

Motors they have the lightest weight

ones they can do the most the Lucid air

Sapphire is really cool I just want them

to be successful and hopefully having a

car that people actually might want to

buy well help that with that yeah yeah

it's kind of an important thing when

you're manufactur you want a car that

people buy yeah yeah you know I I'm I

don't you know we I am surprised the of

the number the number of lucid that I

see in general in San Diego just how

expensive they are I mean I understand

San Diego is a relatively wealthy place

but like they're around I know because

they use laser to scan the road and my

laser detector goes off and if it's a

place where I would not be likely with a

police officer I'm like oh must be a

lucid and boom there it is um so seeing

those around is encouraging in general

in this market because we see everything

that's new here in EVS in particular and

I suspect we'll see tons of these as

long as the price points good and they

can be and they're like good to live

with and as long as they actually make

them and as long as they actually

produce them yeah it is interesting I

mean they're following the Tesla

Playbook identically right start with

the model S luxury then the model y

luxury and then do your model model X

and then go to the model y yes for the

right the the question is like charging

170 or whatever they do for the Sedan

like they started as a luxury brand and

if they're going to go sub 50 are they

still a luxury brand are they changing

that positioning like how does that work

I I think there's there's still a luxury

brand I mean every Mercedes will try to

sell you a uh GLA thing SUV thing for

for for a sedan you're like a myx do you

know how much a lucid air actually cost

like a the not Sapphire the sapphire is

$200,000 or whatever it is but you know

how much a base model air or Lucid air

costs no $71,000 really you know how

much you can lease one for $600 a month

I think I saw without a single doubt

yeah $600 a month they they've come down

Market that's reasonable yeah 600 bucks

50 grand for a small SUV or small

midsize that that see I'm sure where you

live and where where we live here in

like the center of San Diego you see a

lot of new midside luxury SUVs and the

question will be EVS are softening Ford

can't move machis to save their life

despite it being basically the exact

same segment and price point so is lucid

too late to the party with this like can

they copy Tesla strategy 7 years later

and expect the same results right and

why why would you go out like how what

is a situation where somebody's

recommending that you go buy a lucid it

needs to be very much styling and

experience- based maybe there's just a

lot of big aramco and Saudi fans out

there like I I don't know it's it's

they're beautiful I will say the future

of e EVS is going to depend on design

because everything else is largely going

to be identical Lucid gets it they're

making beautiful cars everyone else is

either making like garish ugly EVS or

they're making them like the Ford

Lightning where like unless you know you

you would just assume it's a regular car

so can you pull up a photo of a Lucid

gravity I want to know whether Nick

likes it or not I thought it looked

great from the image I saw thinking it

was a concept car uh not realizing it's

it's not or rendering on Instagram it's

like out the the back's a little funky

but I can live with that the front looks

just like a the sedan only like you

stretch in Photoshop to make it taller

and go to the side profile shot

kenon I it came up for me on yeah yeah a

little funky into it not into it

H not great it's fine it's not offensive

or anything it's it it's fine I'm

excited to see what there have been some

first looks a few YouTubers did early

early reviews um last year about a year

ago uhuh uh so I'm excited for them to

in Theory start delivery soon I'll just

say I I've warmed up to the new M3 and

the giant Grill so I think I can warm up

to that rear 3/4 haunch thing that it

has going on if you can do that you can

do anything that's right that's right

that you can do anything so true all

right moving on to our next story

Bentley yeah Bentley has a new flying

spur and yes they do claim that this is

a new generation of the Flying Spur well

there's Evolution at a SL like a very

subtle pace and then there's just like

couldn't tell you they're calling this

the fourth generation Flying Spur and as

you can tell a lot of changes full

redesign this the the only thing I can

tell is on the fender there two humps

behind the headlights and the headlights

changed wow they look the same but said

they're different for the for the

listeners we're looking at a 2014 or

newer Bentley Flying Spur allegedly it's

a new version but no one can tell the

the reason that it's notable and we're

talking about it all is first of all

they released this with a video where

two different flying Spurs were racing

around the

track I watched this video for some

reason two people landed in helicopters

on a track got out they had churs they

were holding doors open for them and

they got in and said drove they were

racing driver I don't know who they are

there chauffeurs raced then no no no the

chauffeurs got on the back seat and they

drove the car around the racetrack and

we doing a whole lot of slides huh cuz

this is Bentley's Ultra Performance

Hybrid that they just announced as part

of this so there's a plug-in hybrid V8

uh 4 lit twin turbo V8 and then a 26 Kil

or 25.9 kilowatt hour battery pack

that'll give you 47 miles in the

European range so that's like 30 in the

US range uh and 771 horsepower 738 pound

of torque and 3.3 second 0 to you time

but it might be replacing the W12 so I

think there my understanding is that

there's not any more W12 flying Spurs

but you can get a HRA of high

performance go racing uh Flying Spur

hybrid V8 that's going to do worse than

that hondai we mentioned before there's

big sedans are dead sporty sedans are

dead who's buying this nobody Bley

doesn't care someone they need like five

people to buy it a year and they will I

I guess I mean they' be way better off

developing their SUV range or doing any

number of other models when you think

yeah but but they they do I mean those

sell but when you think about like you

know some car brands have to sell small

cars to make their super car Bentley

builds the Continental GT in cars like

this that's their that's their version

of a super car like they don't I also

kind of their Crown like I agree with

that I also bet

that cities that have requirements where

you need to have an EV or Plugin hybrid

to go into City centers without playing

a specific tax or where they need to

meet certain requirement like emissions

requirement

this helps them do that and then you can

pull up to your office in the financial

district of London in this not have to

pay the the use tax in London because

it's a plug-in hybrid you can do it in

EV mode and then you can go out and get

do 3.3 seconds 60s look the only people

buying this are the private Equity guys

100% putting hoonigans in bankruptcy so

it is over no one will buy this both

because they can't tell the difference

from the previous generation as well as

like if you want a sedan you want like a

roll something luxurious do think if you

want a sporty car you get sports car

this is neither well it's it's a FL but

imagine how it would look with some Fuel

Off-road wheels yes Dead on Arrival next

story yep I I don't think that you

understand Bentley's demo I I was

driving a 1939 Rolls-Royce Wraith last

week right he kind of he well he's

Bentley 2014's demo yeah I I actually

what's interesting is the first gen

Continental GT and flying Spurs the

flying Spurs are cheaper even though

they have two extra doors and otherwise

should be a better I love

how if if I were obscenely wealthy I'd

consider one all right all right

especially now that it has a plugin

hybrid my requirement for the next car

is that it it's a plugin hybrid and if I

if I had two wheels I'd be a bicycle but

you know this isn't L great the great

moment of Television yes exactly all

right moving on to the next story this

one is mine so we're talking about the

Hennessy

f5- M so this is Hennessy's superar that

they're building and what's interesting

about the f5- M right m is crucial is

crucial because that stands for manual

transmission so these cars are going to

have gated six-speed manual

transmissions and they're touting this

car as the fastest gated manual

transmission car in the world and I mean

what a specific set of rules yeah what a

really specific Niche thing to attempt

to yeah and I'm the fastest guy in this

office named filipo like well is it's a

shot at Pagani I would assume with the

Utopia is that gated the Utopia it has

the transmission I can do either

technically you're thinking of the

conning Z I believe whatever one of

those rich people toys right but so

they're only going to build 12 of these

allegedly they're going to cost $2.65

million each and it still makes 1,817

horsepower from its 6.6 L twin

turbocharge V8 now I love manual

transmissions I've never owned an

automatic car very proud of this Yan

that kind of power yeah it'll be hard

will be difficult to to with a manual

transmission that's a lot to think about

and I believe it's rear wheel drive as

well so like I mean remember when like

the SMG and F1 and e-gear Transmissions

came out and they're like oh it's cuz

the car has so much power that a manual

really couldn't handle it like this is

going to be it's it'll be really fun

like I think it's the right move but it

might actually be one where the

automatic is a better car to drive yeah

so you both are coming out against all

current super cars having manuals ever

no cuz every super car at this point has

1,000 horsepower

1800 it's like a jet plane at this point

once you're at a thousand 800 I'm kind

of against cars with that kind kind of

power generally speaking because I you

just can't use it it's not enjoyable

like it's fun to brag about to your

other rich friends that oh my car has

you know my car has 1,800 horsepower but

like the reality of it is is that like I

would just rather have a car with 500

horsepower and a manual transmission and

have fun on the road to me that's way

more appealing than something that is

going to be terrible how fast do you

think you can get in first

like if you really it better have good

traction control better have great

traction control and I wonder how much I

wonder how wide the rear tires have to

be yeah like take how long are these

gears to well and how robust is the

clutch I mean it must be like must be

just bulletproof I mean otherwi or maybe

it's like the end zone it'll go through

clutches in 1500 miles but whatever how

much power does the Utopia have I don't

remember exactly um I up I wish them

luck I mean American hypercar

manufact Tune GMT 800s and put

superchargers on them like I desperately

want a Hennessy Suburban yeah but like I

I I hope eventually this trickles down

to like a they make henness Suburban

with a manual I would buy that that

would be cool they should do that I want

a Hennessy Suburban dasm that is so you

that is a per can can we just make like

a $300,000 version of this with 600

horsepower that like is like GT4 or like

boxer spider I love that that Nick drove

into her office in a Lamborghini mercil

Lago and now is against expensive things

no 300 Grand still a lot of money I'm

just saying like like it would be cool

to see these around and like you will

never see

one where we sell like eight of them

yeah right that's the only place think

they're actually going to sell the I

mean they'll sell the eight but will

they deliver the eight 12 the 12 the

people that buy it it might be one

person buys 12 will they ever leave the

garage I mean probably not

I don't I don't know I mean like it's

I'm it's cool that they're doing it I

applaud them for doing it it's just

going to be uncontrollable and difficult

and I think they're just doing it

because they can and more proud to them

but I'm here for it right if you can

sure if you can do it why not this is a

weird parallel universe where felipa's

Pro man and you and like oh it's not

practical I know what's happening today

we're Bizarro cars and bids pod world

now but I'm defending private Equity

this is you're against Bentley's now I I

just understand people need to buy the

flying spirit so that you can buy it for

$10,000 in true it's important keep that

in mind go support your local Bley

dealer

please but yeah but anyway so that's

that's the Hennessy f5m that goes click

clack it sounds I'm sure crazy and is

really really fast so if you have $2.65

million and that's what you want well

there's a car I mean it's objectively

cool that they're doing it I you guys

are against it but it just it's cool

that somebody's doing it I would do a

golf clap but we'll get comments about

me making weird Reverb noises so I'll

I'll just applaud them in spirit where

did they find a manual transmission that

can handle that power that's the real

question that's because we had heard for

years that manual transmissions can't

handle the power that's why we have to

switch to these other things they took

it out of a gmt800

Suburban things can handle anything all

right just the no phone of

Transmissions exactly but uh that was

reference just for you I figured you'd

like that but yeah it it I don't really

know I just don't have any like feelings

one way or the other on it it's just not

the kind of car I'm that interested in

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details on upcoming races now Nick you

recently sold a car on cars and bids

sure did you yes I'm going to pull it up

cuz pull it up so for those who didn't

follow the series on YouTube I bought a

what P38 Range Rover um for 7 Grand

including shipping fees all that it sold

for1 19250 it is a record for p38s by

$250 or literally one bid um I did spend

at least seven Grand refurbishing it so

it was in at like 14 15ish so I did

actually turn a little profit here

everyone doubted whether that was was

possible on a P38 I barely Eed it out

the the two of you are the only people

to have ever profited off of deeply

notoriously unreliable cars cuz k money

at 355 which nobody ever has before and

nobody's ever made money on a on a P38

the cliche is what you make the money

when you buy the car not when you sell

it right I bought it low when I bought

this car I said okay the it should go

for Mid teens to High Teens in good

condition this one was poorly

represented it had multiple a codes on

it didn't have any information Etc so I

I really just I bought it well and

that's the only reason I I turned a

quote unquote profit on it but um the

the seller the selling process was great

like I the photos were good the the

listing got up when we said it would and

like the comments were really really

positive like people enjoyed the YouTube

series which definitely helped here um

which you can find on the cars and bid

check excellent the the interesting we

were at car week while this went live

and it with the bidding was at like 9

Grand I was like okay that's like a

reasonable number like I'm sure it will

go up the the action always happens at

the end and then this gentleman big dog

Andy a new account comes in and doubles

the bed from 9 to 18 and we're all like

oh this has got to be like a fake bed

like maybe he he's just like trolling or

like is this legitimate or not and like

he actually messaged me he reached out

and he's like hey people are questioning

me in the comments I can assure you I'm

Legit um I actually really want this car

and I was like pH nice andig big dog

Andy like he he's been messaging me he's

already like he's planning on a repaint

he's like I want to make the nicest P38

in the world and I love the backstory of

this car so like it's really fun like

I'm I'm almost feel like big dog Andy

and I are going to like chat and I

already said like come to San Diego I'll

buy you a beer um but the process was

like it was just so like I'm so happy it

found the right home because I was sad

to lose it like I in an Ideal World I

would have kept it another 6 12 months

but the whole point of the YouTube

series was to sell it so I couldn't just

let you all linger I guess God only

knows what could have happened

to Big Dog Andy will know Big Dog Andy

will you told me that this is your

family's favorite car yeah they still

talk about yellow car and like Ryder my

2-year-old asked to take the yellow car

the other day somewhere and I was like

it's it's in Spokane Washington sorry um

but yeah it it was super great um I

really enjoyed it like I think they're

pretty cool cars

cool I was stunned at like yeah riding

around in it was it was nice like I love

the seating position is incredible and

it just like and immediately the last

time I wrote in it the was was the first

time the exhaust was you know kind of

leaking and but I I actually that's not

true I drove it for a little bit and it

drove great it was such a pleasure to

like be just be in when it works for me

it was cool it was like the summer

project like I got my hands dirty I'm

still for those listening I have like

burn mark still from it he tattooed him

himself yeah but like I I haven't had so

much fun with the car in a long time and

like I love the Lamborghini whatever but

like there's something about just having

a a project car you can wrench on and

like make improvements on like I'm

terrified of touching the the lambo like

I won't do anything on it other than

detail it so I I'm it this has enabled

me to want to get more bad ideas and

have like a project car at all times so

Nick what what bad idea are you working

towards right now I've got three

prospects um I'm having i' I've almost

got scammed twice um I I'll save that

for next week because right now there

may or may not be a title or it may just

be an empty envelope that was

overnighted on Saturday and still hasn't

arrived um on Thursday Rec these were

not on Carson bids where you would have

had a normal experience with normal

humans I'm buying uh I'm buying poorly

represented cars uh so that I can

present them well I know what it is I'm

not going to say he's buying a shady car

from a shady person in a shady way so of

course there's a reason we refer to you

as crazy Nick yeah yeah he's nuts I mean

he just takes these R he was telling us

about this before the podcast and no

part of your story makes yeah any sense

the when when I found out the title

wasn't in the seller's name I was like

okay this is Carson bids vets all of

these cars make sure they proof of title

and like I'm starting to see the value

in having a third party involved in

these transactions cuz like from the

like zel me the entire amount upfront

request to several other things I'm like

this is if this is how car buying off

Facebook Marketplace is I can see why no

one wants to do it yeah yeah can you go

back quickly though to Nick's profile

page yeah Nick yeah of course you want

to see his bid history no I wanted like

I just that explor Selen xp8 oh he he

previously sold on on our site a saline

xp8 which is the high performance

explorer that nobody knows exists also

set a record also set a record for a

very very small pool of cars it's so

cool hey now don't don't qualify my win

right yeah that that that was also a car

I I I still missed to this day I did see

another one for sale and thought should

I do another one but um no it's it's

it's one and done I had it for two years

that was like one of the the second most

fun I've ever had with the car so again

like you don't need a Lambo you don't

need a Hennessy -

m600 t4s you just need a s an xp8 buy

buy a $7,000 hoopie put some TLC into it

and sell it on cars and B that's all you

need to be happy now I'm just trying to

figure out what I I know what you're

buying which is not unfortunately a

2,000 SUV although it should be cuz you

sold a 1998 and a 2002 you got to fill

the Gap what could you get I so actually

I'll share with I'll share with the

listeners we don't have to be cryptic

here I almost one of the three

candidates is a Hummer

H2 so the one that has like the weird

say um you can buy those I I got pretty

far on one and this clean title H2

actually had a salvage title and four

accidents so I decided not to pursue

that further um I love the Su yeah and

some of the the nice ones get good money

most of them are modded like repainted

matte black and just like heinous Wheels

but like they're they're out there

they're cool I love the thought of you

having a mercel Lago a h h also the H3

there was an alpha version that had the

upgraded engine those are really cool

even the regular wagon version of this

for lack of better word it had that like

half third row seat in the back like

these cars are quirky and they're weird

and I think like the P38 they're slept

on it is basically the American

P38 only more reliable because you got a

Tahoe engine it's it's the American you

got you could put a Hennessee gmt800

package on this thing th horsepower

manual you know why aren't people doing

this the market is so large for that

right now this is not the car I'm

pursuing I'm also looking at um Bentley

araj t and a Maserati quatra Porte so uh

maybe next week I will know which way

I'm going because if the title doesn't

come through on this car I've already

got a another a totally different car

lined up that I'm going to just wire the

money on and be done with it from a

dealer you're going to like okay for I'm

Panic buying right now like I'm so

annoyed that this car isn't already in

my driveway that I'm just if anyone has

a cool car like just email me I'm buying

I've never seen someone froth at the

mouth so hard to buy I missed my P38 and

I need to fill that that he's so we've

emboldened him and now he's just

pursuing these insane

Vehicles I'm here for but like car

you're

considering from a dealer if this

doesn't the Bentley arage Bentley arage

oh I would love it if you got it's got a

ticket startup in an airbag

light but it's priced

accordingly whatever that means cuz it

it could just be a giant paper weight

but uh it's it's sub 20K so it would be

a a fun gamble well Nick I'm excited to

see what you get next I'm terrified for

you but I am excited to see what you

stay tuned hopefully next week I'll know

oh my God Ken I see you have a topic

here about kind of uh fake news cars if

you will yes I I well I want to talk

about yes I'm calling them vaporware

cars now these are cars that have come

up recently into like my they're just

around that I've seen on Instagram where

you know like whatever I'm sure superar

Blondie has reviewed them that I don't

think exist they're just like mockups

now of course we love the aspark owl of

course and especially Lely when is in a

roundabout in a rural part of ity right

at a onethird scale of what one would

actually many people have found a real

one though and and claim it exists were

one in Monaco that happened to be moving

on a 9volt battery coasting downhill

that's not something and this car also

like so this is called the nuron hyper

coup and the recipe is all largely the

same they make like crazy power like up

a thousand whatever horsepower they'll

cost a million dollars and they're going

to build nine of them and it's it's not

alone the Hispano swza Carmen however

the hell that's pronounced thing heinous

Carmen San Diego uh it it just it's

heinous again same thing cost a ton of

money this one you know it's they showed

at least one somewhere convinced this is

the same one that I saw at Amelia and

they painted it I'm pretty convinced

it's the same car you just gave me a lot

of information about this car that I did

not have before right and that's all

anybody needs to know and then like the

the cpra dark Rebel is another thing

this makes a lot less

this is actually a COA branded thing cuz

I think that's a COA brand I logo yeah

but it's like does it doesn't EXA is

like a spin-off of seat right and it but

it does not will never exist no and but

to be clear the other cars aren't

concept cars they're like going to exist

and you know it's like trying to be

exclusive and it just upsets me why

because art is Art kenned cuz it's all

fake it seems it just seems fake it just

like I I don't understand like why

anybody would want these cars I don't

understand who they're supposed to get

excited about now admitt like like when

rims came out I thought maybe that was

going to be a vaporware car but the

reason that that car came out was to

highlight the technology behind it as

like a marketing play to then sell that

technology to other companies that makes

sense these cars don't offer any of that

they're just fake nonsense yeah they're

fake nonsense that they hope somebody

will put some deposits in for and that

some very rich person in Dubai will

eventually buy the only one they ever

make right

business is business I guess I I I'm I'm

intrigued by your hatred of

these primarily because they won't exist

so why why why

hate I I I I I I don't know it just it

like really irks me to see these cars

like like like treat it as something

also like on social media it's like it's

not something and it's just

like if you're kenon the only cards that

are something are a Ferrari F40 and an

E30 and M5 what they a 50 real super car

G the F50 credit okay of course the F50

is a true Formula One drivetrain manual

transmission Doug's not here to refute

that I mean and it's a very special car

those cars are actually special these

cars are not special no they're not and

they're from brands that don't matter

and just don't exist naron is not a

brand to my knowledge no well and that's

that's putting my Mark hisp was yeah but

not anymore yeah same with Hispanic Suza

yeah the putting my marketing hat on and

taking off my Automotive one like it's

brand right like if you have the brand

you can do this if you don't have the

brand then you just think okay this

looks like a Transformers robot that

cost $3 million can yeah can I be honest

I'm just glad that they're no longer nft

cars I at least prefer that they're

pretending that they're a car they're

going to build and not just hey here's

the nft car but if if they had a

Lamborghini badge and they called it a

Veno or whatever random cars they did it

would actually be like oh I can't wait

for this to come out and like

14-year-old kids would like Sprint down

the road trying to get a picture

isct are

manufacturers connection don't

haveon I'm not refreshing their website

hoping that they launch their new car

the as Park Al website is is live I'll

tell you that completely AI generated it

is around nonsensical but it's there

troducing the Iran an authentic GT3

style hyper Coupe yeah right what am I

meant to do with that information it's

it's just it's not I also have it makes

no sense so they on their website it

says build for performance and then they

have horsepower in in horsepower in

kilowatts they have torque for some Reas

in the opposite order of new meters and

then foot pounds and then they have

all-wheel drive rear wheeel

drive what does that

mean it it means that it's fake it's

just it just seems they're they're you

are welcome by the way naron Executives

we've just delivered a lot of traffic

that you've never seen before hopefully

your site doesn't go down hopefully they

can uh send you a oppressor to to oh

that would be great you could compare

that to like a Nissan Z and and figure

out if it's worth the extra money they

certainly don't have two so we'll get

one this it reminds me of my parents

named me this is a fun fact if you

didn't know my parents named me after

Nicholas Cage and Nick Cage one of his

famous

quotes is and Gone in 60 Seconds he says

there's you know I was at the Starbucks

the other day and there were yeah there

were three of these that tells me just

one thing there's too many

self-indulgent weenies in this town

that's self-indulgent weenies town with

too much bloody money and that's what

this these cars are all catering to that

market so good luck to you all US Car

enthusiasts will be setting this one out

Ken can you go to their Instagram top

right corner sure maybe maybe and then

scroll down just like a little

bit scroll down yep that one a human

being that's a human

being presumably a woman with her legs

out of the driver's yeah who's like

shoved the wrong way into a car I think

that was like an 80s count ad or

something it's it's I think they're

playing back to a a pretty famous photo

shoot there but yeah I mean even at car

week you know we went to the in at

Spanish Bay and there was a few like the

IE Apollo whatever and like those cars

people weren't really checking out they

were going to the sc30 Diablo maybe to

thetis and Chiron but like these cars

aren't really like that exciting

compared to or like that CLK GTR

Roadster like yeah everyone was flocking

to that and then there would be like

even the Hennessy which I like for the

record like they weren't quite the

showstopper that they you know would be

for the price point people do care about

the brand they're just a reality it's

really hard to be an upstar brand and

it's really hard to be an upstar brand

that nobody's ever heard of well balansa

and some of these designer Brands will

sell like a paperclip for $800 and they

do it to prove that they can and that

their brand is so strong and I think

like cars are that same way Lamborghini

could sell me a paper clip and or a bolt

probably and I would pay $100 for it if

I had to it kind of works for everything

like from I mean from Cars to like

politics doesn't like Trump sell shoes

or something like that or Maserati watch

Land Rover t-shirt land t-shirt yeah

exactly like kind of all works on like

all those different yeah Maserati watch

for the for the listeners if you're

looking for a nice go on eBay they're

about 50 bucks which fell off his wrist

earli very Maserati of them to uh to

appreciate like that I I want to move on

to the market report but first Kenan

last week you really broke our the

internet if you will with your Donald

Trump impression another and and you

told me that you were you had an

impression ready to go yeah on this very

topic I I thought about I thought about

vaporware car so

please I look at these cars and I say to

myself that's not real my people look at

these cars they've never seen anything

like it China is coming up with these

fake cars they're streaming illegally

into this country

and we have to do something about it we

have to bring back the V12 bring back

great Italian supercars bring back

German supercars English supercars maybe

but we have to do something about this

we have to make supercars great again

that's what I promise we'll do China

that was a beautifully done impression

thank you I hope you all enjoyed though

and also all of these Vapor wear cars

excuse me excuse me yeah all they're

going to do is stream cuz they they're

not real yep exactly moving on all right

can we talk about can we lead off off

the market report section by talking

about GMT 800s cuz we have been talking

about GMT 800s I'm always down to talk

about gmt800 we sold a Tahoe the other

day scroll down tiny bit more or sorry

Suburban which was the best Suburban oh

yeah yeah for real money the Z71 package

looks like it's it's a good upgrade it's

a good upgrade it's the best one this is

a one-owner southern owned one this is

the one you want although it had highish

miles like it's not super low miles

highish miles for a gmt800 is like over

200k didn't have anywhere near that 22

Grand or 21 Grand seems like both a lot

of money for a

22-year-old Suburban and that interior

kind of a deal cuz I love GMT 800s yeah

love GMT 800s well we all grew up in the

Midwest and so this was and I think that

and this was in that period of time like

they're just around I remember seeing

these everywhere and they're you know

they're iconic of of like just people

are like family haulers of that time and

it just I'm glad they're worth real

money how many miles did this have 60

80,000 that's low low mil for these and

like that seems like a lot of money

legitimately cuz 20 grand buys

you a really nice 2016 Cayenne it buys

you like a lot of real SUV or this and

it's like I'm glad they're worth money I

want one you got to compat against three

row SUVs that are that length and

off-road capable which is not my dad's

looking for a car in Wyoming and it's

like this is a great candidate could you

could treat it like a farm truck but

also when all the grandkids are in town

like there's room for everyone it's

visit or an Excursion and Diesel

excursions are also worth real money

real money I I just love GMT 800s I I

what I every time I think about a Tahoe

or sub from this generation I just want

one filipo and I now have two things in

common we both own 2014 Ford focuses and

we love GMT mine was a 2012 thank you

very much oh is it oh for sure I'm final

model year before the face left so I I

was first model year and also let's talk

about your Ford Focus

for Ken Kenan a couple weeks ago pulled

up to my house to grab something um in

in your car cuz his M5 was my BMW laner

car for wasn't broken it was voluntarily

taken down for service it was in for

service great it didn't break though I I

own a 2012 Ford Focus for 5 years had

had the you got rid it yeah yeah years

ago I had the manual one so that was

actually reliable you for some reason

have a DCT one it's my wife's car okay

uh you also did did some mods to this

car did you not well he he he he he Ken

pulled up and I was like that's not what

these sound like well so I pulled up and

it had a well I pulled away more

specifically I I told F was like Nick

definitely did something leave it to

Nick you can't leave a car alone and I

pulled away and it went you know got the

great you know induction sound like clue

sounded intake and so I texted him I

said it's great the intake is really

loud why'd you put that freaking intake

on and he was like I didn't yeah I don't

you haven't modified that car need to

somebody modified that car I uh or

something's quite broken I did have LED

headlights in it were starting to

flicker really badly and I might have

knocked the airbox off while I was that

could be it so it could just be disc it

could just be like open

Inlet it might be Kevin also told me it

was leaking oil I don't know like I I

don't it doesn't get driven a whole lot

I love by the way that just for the

narrative reason you drove here in liago

you also have a really highly trimmed

Cayenne

GTS your wife drives around in a 2014

for focus with with with maybe some oil

leaks and a and an air intake issue it's

uh the focus is it's great to have a

beater car great dented in every panel

there's certain like grocery stores I

know like I'm at high likelihood to get

hit like it's just and it gets 40 miles

a gallon like I I actually like if I

ever have to C downtown and I'm not

coming here I take that car because it's

like all right I don't miss I care can

Cruise it's I got say as somebody who

likes high performance cars and again

thank you for your generosity letting me

your focus I loveded it it such a i it's

such an honest like it's a nice normal

car but it also drives driv

great the clutch slipping well you buy a

manual one and then you know the issue

but nonetheless like I've really enjoyed

that little car the other thing is like

not only it probably wouldn't be

exciting enough to sell on cars and bids

but they they maybe get five grand and

this is a one-owner 60,000 mile car so

like Suburban I have a backup car you

know it just doesn't make sense I bought

mine for we were moving across the

country and like it just didn't need

three cars at the time but um we I

bought mine for $8,600 in 2016 it was

four years old and had 60,000 miles and

was worth $88,500 and then I sold it 5

years later for $6,000 yeah and like for

$6,000 it was the best $6,000 car I've

ever around well I bailed out now both

Kevin and Kenan with their broken BMWs

needing a loner car and they drove the

focus so that my friends are putting

more miles on the car than I am at this

point which makes me happy yeah that's

aggravating for me would you split a

Suburban with me sure you guys can make

that pack I'm out well that's that is

wild I guess if you buy an H2 i' also

like to buy a um Escalade and drive it

to Tony Soprano's house in New Jersey

for a picture if you want to do a road

trip I don't thank you okay well that's

all you offers out there if you change

your mind that's all you maybe Sam will

do that with me he's from New

Jersey okay uh Nick you wanted to talk

about Lamborghini gyas staying on the

topic mostly speaking of Sam I'm trying

to get him to buy one our friend Sam who

you've seen on some cars and bids videos

the redheaded kid all like him um yeah

the gardos you know depends on the model

in the variant like a super leera or STS

will go for more but you all recently

sold a very nice low mile one for under

100 Grand well under 100 Grand it's 855

I think it is aging wonderfully like

that is just a beautiful car I prefer

the preface left now 04s are known to be

a little bit uh more high maintenance

and less refined like an ' 05 they

change some things so they're more

reliable so so I've heard mix things on

04s but like for 85 Grand I mean you can

barely buy like a midt trim used 9911

for that like and the E gear again I

think people hate on it too much yes it

was a bad idea when it came out however

it's still really engaging to have a V10

that you're you're shifting with your

hands not your feet like I just this

this blows my mind that this car being

4,000 miles went for $88,500 wild it is

a crazy value I do have to say having

driven early 04 eagar gardos like I

found that it is not not the best

transmission to drive like your eagar

and your mercy is substantially nicer to

drive but that said for the money 855 I

mean at that kind of money you're

looking at kind of 360s that are mild up

and maybe not in the nicest condition

but this is a mint 04 you can get decent

decent tip frog but this one like this

is I I I just feel bad for our listener

sometimes when you go from referred to

it by the name of the car the Ferrari

360 to a tip frog well I mean you know

we call all automatics tip Tronics uh

and it looks like a frog I mean you're

not wrong but it's a tip frog and so

that's what we call it and for clarity

too this isn't an outlier like they are

buyable for 80 to 100 in E gear maybe

120 to 140 for a manual and for a for

like a good manual yeah are there

conversions for this I assume there

there are because it's basically an R8

and like there's the guy in Alabama that

does them all the time but a handful of

people have swapped these it's it's

going to maybe be 20 grand to do a swap

on it so yeah you've got plenty of

options here r10s are also not that much

more they're more a bit more expensive

they're been new they're still what 90s

to 100 for the cheapest R8 miss my R8 I

had a V8 and I love that car other than

having to tell people all the time that

it was a V8 and not a V10 there's a

gated V10 good color for 925 agreed but

wouldn't you rather have the gy no he

wouldn't but most normal I don't think

the G most

normal oh I much prefer how an

looks W I like them both yeah I and

again like growing up this was the the

new Lamborghini like it was such a huge

deal when it came out you know they were

going to offer an entry level car which

was kind of crazy um but it makes sense

that all but the very special versions

are going to depreciate like they should

depreciate there's no reason for even

the very speci but like even the very

special versions aren't that crazy like

the the Garda superl era I feel is one

of the most undervalued like performance

car I mean now Grant 140 Grand lot of

money you know almost 60 Grand a lot of

money but when you consider that the

scooteria that was its competitor costs

you know a nice scooteria is almost is a

$300,000 car thereabouts and so like 240

to 300 for that whereas 140 by Z guard

or supers or 160 I mean they're deals

they're deals and yeah 522 horsepower na

V10 look real good next to your mercy

sure would no I'm not

I want more

hoopies I I'm setting a budget of like

10 grandish for the next car but I I do

think Sam if you're listening which you

should be you need to buy one just do it

you'll thank me later yeah I'll bet you

he doesn't though I bet um wait since

we're talking about this let's look at

for our 360s really quickly because

we're talking about tip frogs so let's

let's go all in tip frogs frogs cheap

yeah this yeah cuz this one was a six

beat and I think a factory

this one was a faster 6 Speed but like

even even manual sorry rather automatic

ones are $60,000 for like okay ones yeah

all day this one with this is kind of

the one to like miles T FR blue which is

exquisite a late production car and 04

360 mod um mostly on modified I assume

it's got like an exhaust or something

yeah it's got oh catless headers that's

yeah but fine but whatever but

nonetheless like yeah for for 635

yeah well California is making that

pretty hard to live that so they say

that's all fear uncertainty and doubt

all right Nick well I'm I'm a proud

business owner in Helena

Montana right exactly but nonetheless

yeah the interesting cars from the yeah

the mid-engine performance cars from the

mid 2000s they're becoming good I do

feel like Co kept them elevated in a way

that wasn't natural to some extent

M but they're not anymore well this is

Sam needs to buy the gyo Sean your

producer needs to buy the 360 without

you're welcome both of you yep great

consumer advice from our crazy friend

Nick and I'm going to run them both over

with an H2

Su I would watch that video Yeah well

didn't Doug run over your all Road

wasn't that uh I I had the Kia Spectra

thank oh yeah that's right that's right

but he was there for the all Road you

could destroy another one of your

cars yeah we could would probably crunch

really well with the RO really hard to

go up on top with that car it's too tall

oh I'm down let's try it just need a

little Li K whe 10 grand hit up Wheel

Pros we'll get some uh we'll get some

parts um we we want to get to questions

but can we talk about one more car first

sure briefly yeah can you just go to

Range Rovers do you have any idea how

cheap full siiz last gen Range Rovers

are 20 grand bid to 20 yeah I mean bid

to 19 20 25

20 it's almost like these cars have a

reputation 175 for a turbo diesel one I

feel mentioned this there is a new

generation one which looks frankly

identical yeah I've seen on other sites

that they're in like the teens now or

like 15 to 20 pretty much pretty

consistently for nice

ones that's a deal yeah the full size

Rovers look incredible they do look

great scary when it breaks because it is

going to how bad can it be I mean head

gaskets and how bad can it be there's a

lot more the problem is yeah the P38 has

it you want a 20 grand three row

off-road cable SUV don't buy a gmt800

and buy a Range Rover my neighbor has

one of these and is texting me right now

being like I can't get it out of park

like the the gear shift knob fell off

and sending me eBay listings like I

they're cheap for a reason that being

said like buy it if as long as you're

mechanically inclined but don't buy it

for your like Porsche Pilates mom who's

just trying pick up the kids from

daycare she might not make it home

espresso and almond interior highly

equipped does the superch charge V6 have

the same issues or is it just this V8

Nick I Look to You for depreciated 2015

luy card two no two new it's past he

knows Sam he knows these I will because

I want one all right questions questions

questions questions you can ask us

questions on cars and bids Community we

put out a post every single week and we

answer the most ridiculous questions

it's isn't true Doug says that every

time it's not true we have are very good

questions people ask good questions but

if you have questions for us we will

answer them live here on the podcast so

fipo takes away all right we have a

question from tailgate Tommy tailgate

which is what is the distinction between

a classic car versus just an old

car interesting I assume that Nick has

some

opinions I'm not sure you post tech

there probably is one um but I suppose

it would just like what defin like you

driving around a 1935 Rolls-Royce right

that's a classic definitely class and a

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Mustang yeah I mean I think the way that

it's used in everyday speech maybe not

like how Websters would Define it to me

like a classic is one of those iconic

cars of the period one that like a

non-car person would recognize and be

like oh I remember a 63 Thunderbird I

remember a 65 Mustang I remember the

Hemi cudas and the road runners like the

the cars that really stand out like

basically a car that a diecast model has

been made of probably classic oh

interesting and if it was never a

matchbox or a 118 scale Mao or whatever

then like it's just an old car so like

they they did make Matchbox Ford

Explorer from the 90s is that a classic

car I mean to some

people three time Explorer h no I mean

there's probably an age cut off too like

it would at least have to be

1980 for cars and Bs you think 1980 and

younger old I mean that's now what 40

plus years old yeah we I mean we

classify stuff like the there are there

are also subsections to it they're

modern Classics which is kind which is

what we deal with like a lot of times on

cars what car from the ' 80s or 90s is

like on the border for you between an

old car and a classic car like like no

no that's clearly classic like what is

like the marginal car that's just barely

a classic oh like cool enough to be

considered a class yeah but like barely

from the'80s

um kind of the like the Grand National

is definitely a classic but the tea type

is kind of a little bit more like an old

car to me we had a Regal T type which is

not which was awhe drive6 powered car

special car dude it's Rarity but like

that's kind of on the edge for me yeah I

think there's a cut off of both age and

like desirability and it's hard to

Define exactly where either of those

would be but it's some combination

thereof is a first gen Dodge Neon a

classic car or just an old

car car really about what about an ACR

the first gen SRT4 version m

feel like it's slightly too new oh

slightly too new okay yeah it's a 0

mid90s car no like that's a 30-year old

car yeah see it's interesting because

like that's a car that a lot of people

saw but and to see a well preserved one

is something like we sold just an old

car yeah I do think that preservation

matters a car that could be an old just

used car if it's a really nice example

kind of becomes a classic Doug rest in

peace would know this but in Ohio to get

a classic car license place it has to be

I think 25 years old probably great so

so a 1999 Toyota Camry is a classic car

would technically qualify and you would

have the classic car distinction the

rules with the plate is you can only

drive like so many miles like it's it's

like a Montana plate where it's a little

sketch but like largely true in a lot of

states by the way you can get a classic

one I so the the states would say it's a

25y old car and leave it that simple but

but that's just an old car I do think

that like specialness and like did the I

think there's like some like importance

to the car market that matters for

example I strongly consider early Saturn

S Series cars to be Classics yeah that's

that's a you're

alone I'm sorry you're alone on that one

the the the die cast model thing that

yeah kind of like poster if you could

buy it at a Scholastic art fair in when

you were a kid maybe Saturn S Series

diecast it must exist it must exist yes

it does only sold the

dealers oh there was

a Hot Wheel that was the Saturn light

ship blimp fun

fact fascinating there was a a Saturn

Ion Hot Wheels and I'm not even claiming

that ion is a classic so I so so I think

yeah I think that but to his point I

think that yeah it has to be something

that people appreciate it at its you

know and look back fondly on with like

Nostalgia I guess some level of Rarity

and yeah desirability yeah but

interesting question something to ponder

let's do one more question which is from

I cannot drive 55

um if you were asked to do a

collaboration with an automaker on a

special edition model what make and

model would you want to put your

signature on and what quirks or features

would you add to the car oh

man H how like like does it have to

be like current what I would like to do

is approach Bentley say hey cancel the

Flying Spur got a better idea we are

going to do much like the any Grenadier

we're going to bring back the Bentley

Dominator but sell it to people other

than the Sultan of brunai I will

personally sign up for the first five

and I I probably 30 other buyers you

know what the end result would be it'd

be a slightly off-road toied Benta fine

BGA with like a little bit give me a BGA

Raptor Edition raptor r Edition honestly

I'm a buyer that would be a how have

they

fin they not made that that would be

cool I can I could see it would it would

have way more sales than a flying first

sedan that no one can tell the

difference of the previous G Hyundai has

an ionic 5 xrt which is their off-road

trim why doesn't Bentley have an

off-road Trim in TGA I support you I

would I would do it with an RIS too

frankly any of the Volkswagen Audi group

um is it Automotive Group or Audi group

you would know this Mr active I don't

remember I'm so sorry vag cars make me a

raptor version I'll put my signature on

it I want an H2 Su Italian car maybe

something of the that's not going to a

manufacturer and making a special an and

cut off the

the the

trunk or the do you remember the GMC

Envoy XUV of course of course the an

version of that or BGA version of that

would be great I would like to ask our

listeners if you're good with Photoshop

please make and send to us podcast

carsbids.com you're rendering of what a

what a Lamborghini ORS pickup truck or

XUV would look like cuz I just know if

your product planner at vag you can

email Mew Audi group I I will uh I will

wave my usual consulting

fee okay perfect for sorry it is a

Volkswagen AG I apologize for me uh I

don't really know the first for whatever

reason I I talked about it a little

while but it comes to mind is i' would

love for Lamborghini to make a beautiful

car again like they make striking cards

and they taking an existing make model

and just like I want to make a modern

interpretation Jack Nicholas did with

the the Lincoln Town Car you're adding

leather you're adding badges no I want

to make a front engine

V12 beautiful car and I want to call it

I want to call it the 3500 like a like a

new 350 GT like a new a modern take on

that car from Lamborghini because you

love Resto mod 355s and uh 575 don't you

well it's not taking an existing car and

ruining it which is what those companies

have done it's taking it building a new

car A new platform more like the Eric

Clapton Ferrari then more like the one

well that still was based on a still was

based on an existing car and also heus

are you aware of this car they clapped

in forr oh it's so bad it's it's

Unique uh it's the sp12 maybe more like

the p45 with Jim glicken house that's

actually a really good looking Doug

Loves this car there's a there's a

picture of it driving around London

recently it's supposed to look like his

bonetta boxer was the

idea I don't know it's a little weird

looking I've never been a fan of I guess

this is the question though right like

which Eric Clapton Ferrari that's not

would you make is not I Can't Drive 55

I'm sorry yeah but I I don't yeah for me

it's like I want Lamborghini to do a new

3 front engine let me reframe the

question this is a car that already

exists that they're currently making

that you're making a special edition of

he putting like a land out top on

it the LL Bean Outback or the Orvis

Explorer yeah I got that question way

wrong or no you you answered it fine but

you were thinking like I was you wanted

take Offroad version I I'll accept as an

answer um uh I don't know I've suggested

something along these lines already the

car that should exist um I'll answer

what you think and and and the f500 BART

or f500 had a few special editions they

had the GQ Edition which was basically

in a bar but with some horrible Badges

and not that nice of gray a few others I

think there should be a there was also

Gucci one but that was not the bar

engine just the GQ one was I think there

should be a full EO Edition I don't know

what it has just normal Bas model it's

like the work more more Bas than it

actually is now they're just going to

Rhino liner the the interior no carpet

could hose it out that'd be great cuz

you don't wash your cars although

apparently you started look at how it's

not very clear anymore yeah didn't Kenan

clean that for you yeah yeah but I

washed my other car I instructed him I I

I taught I taught the man he taught me

everything I know yeah which means any

mistakes I make are his fault all right

Kenan give us the answer before we we

sign off I'm struggling with it but I

think that I would love to I mean I'd

love for I personally like a car to

drive around I'd love another trans

Siberia Cayenne I think like a modern

one of those would be so cool Be So Co I

think about that car with surprising you

kind of copied my homework there and

just I cop a little bit but like that's

one of the ones that sticks in my mind

of like why don't they make it was so

cool they should def I live in the car

why don't they have a Kai in the car

yeah kind of yeah that maybe maybe pick

a different offer race or something like

that right right plus it would be called

the Kenan rolson or the Baja yeah it

would be called the Ken my name doesn't

sound good on a car the Porsche Kenan

actually good work good work and that

was our episode of the podcast thank you

all so much for listening next week I

will not be here but Doug will be back

you will be back as well what brand

shirt are you going to wear uh it

depends on what's clean or maybe you

should try to buy a shirt of whatever

car you're actually going to buy I'm I

do the trick where I add something to my

wish list on eBay and then I wait for

the seller to create an offer and I did

get an 8% discount on a t-shirt but I'm

waiting till the title shows up before I

commit to the brand cuz I might have to

buy a Hummer shirt it might be a Bentley

shirt it might be a Maserati shirt so

well that's the most I will do some

looking for a Hummer shirt for you

regardless CU I think you should buy it

h H2 okay that's the most Nick thing

I've ever heard thank you so so much for

watching we will see you in the next one

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