Why PAUL JR's Podcast is About to Reveal EVERYTHING

Speaker 1: No, I'm wearing my speedo. You've worn a speedo. I

wear a speed O't let's talk about this. We're live,

we are Yeah, okay, let's talk about you own a speedo. Yeah,

I'm wearing a speedo. That means you gotta shave your

bikini line right never, no, no, wait, man, I live at the beach. You just let it all hang out.

That's right. It's what we do around here these parts,

you know. Yeah, banana hammock. So what's going on? Nothing?

I feel like that's my line to you all the time.

What's going on? Visiting family? Visiting family a lot? Meaning

you're staying with me, staying with you, smoking wheed on your roof like Willie Nelson at the White House. That's

very nice. Yeah yeah, you live in a home that's

like a really great vacation spot. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

we're very great for like a week or a long weekend. Yep. Yeah,

that's what people think around here. They like to stay

for a week or a long weekend, you know. Yeah,

but it's your mainstay, mainstay. Very nice, thank you. Yes, well,

we just bought a house just off the island. Okay,

that we are that you have not seen yet. We

just closed on boggy Hollow. Bog Hollow, right, We're not

going to say what the address is. Rachel's like, no,

you have a lot of cedars there, right, a lot of cedar trees. Smell a cedar comes in. Smell a

cedar comes ripping in from the bogs hollow. I'm gonna

start drinking again today, are you really? Let's do it? Man?

Coffee's getting old? Is it? I actually need a coffee? Anyway.

Speaker 2: I was thinking we could talk a little bit about some of the shows we've been on through the years, and it's not just American Chopper, but like maybe some of these other show was that we've been guests on, and I think I think we have some interesting experiences with that stuff, you know very much.

Speaker 1: Any one particular show come to mind? Letterman? Okay, Yeah,

when you and Dad went on and I was in the green room and I had to go to the bathroom, and I was hungover, and I shipped my pants while I was pissing standing up? Is that true? Try to

make that streamline because it makes me sick to think about. Yeah, yeah,

I crapped my pants and you went on Letterman after that with us. You weren't on, it just was us. Yeah.

I was there as a taglo really just hanging out backstage. Man,

I could have lived without knowing that. Bro. Yeah, you know,

too bad. You shipped your pants. I shipped him. Oh

my gosh. Wait, was that like one of the first

times we were on? That was one of the first

times that ship my pants? It was? Yeah, yea, I

think it was the first time you guys were on Letterman and I wanted to do you mean ever like in life? Yeah, okay, not even when I was a baby.

Were you drinking at the time? Heavily?

Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you know, yeah, we got to give you a little pass there.

Speaker 1: I guess you gotta give me a pass. Okay. It's

not something I'm bragging about. It's just something I think

is very interesting. Yeah. Well, I asked as content you

did ask I did, and that was the most standout thing.

I wouldn't say it was the highlight I got you.

Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Well let's talk about some other more positive I wash my shorts history.

Speaker 1: I had to wash my shorts in the bathroom. Did

you was there a dryer in there? No paper towels?

And then dan our brother knew, knew that I shipped my pants in there. Was he there with you? He

was there. He was in the green room with me.

Oh okay, kind of elbowed. But wait did this wait?

Let me ask you a questions. Did this happened before

after or during our interview with David Letterman? Right before?

Right before? Okay, you and Dad were really nervous. Yeah,

that's probably true. And you guys wanted me to go

and check and see that the bikes were definitely going to fire up, ready to fire up. Yeah.

Speaker 2: You know that was the interesting thing about Letterman Man.

He would uh, he always had us bring bikes. Yeah,

and every time after every single time we were on there, he'd jump on a bike with us and we'd go take take a ride down the boulevard.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty he rides, I think, right, I think so.

Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was dude, I'll tell you that guy was never afraid to jump on any given crazy chopper we ever.

Speaker 1: Brought and just rip down the boulevard. He loved it.

I think he's a bullsy guy. He's pretty ballsy.

Speaker 2: But you know, we were told that he really wasn't doing that with anyone else in other words, he wasn't doing any kind of activity outside the studio with anyone else.

So I always thought that was like a big honor because he had such a long and prolific career of interviewing some of the biggest stars on the planet. And

he really liked us Man, he really did.

Speaker 1: And that was nice because if he doesn't like.

Speaker 2: You, oh, if he doesn't like you, he would tear you to pieces, pieces unmercifully.

Speaker 1: You know. Lena wasn't like that. He was a lob balleraller.

Speaker 2: Yeah, in a good way. Nice guy, vanilla guy, vanilla ish. Yeah,

but think about it, although, but very competitive, right. Him

and Letterman were neck and neck in ratings. I never

understood that. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1: Maybe it's that l a crowd thing, so maybe they cheated or they think at a time difference, but still on the same time, Yeah, yeah, uh what else? What

else were we on? Oh?

Speaker 2: You know what was a good one? And they were

on our show and we were on their show. My

name is Earl, what's a Jason Lee? And who's the

other guy?

Speaker 1: So you guys asked me to go check and see that the bikes could fire up. Oh, I had a

ship stay and I was like I couldn't. I couldn't

run up the steps and passed a bunch of people because I had a ship stain in my pants. Then Dan,

I was asking Dan to go, you know, check and make sure the bikes were going to fire up. Yeah,

and he was breaking my balls. He's like, well don't

you go. He's like, come on, man, And I was

hungover too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all right, go back. No,

I'm glad you said that because I was just jumped.

It was like a record that skipped. Yeah, you know,

I had to get that in there. But yeah, that's good.

Too far along, Yeah, it's like, let's like it too far along. Yeah, anyways, I don't know.

Speaker 2: My name is Earl. They came on our show. I

remember they had taken a red eye in from California and they were somewhere doing something and they were they came in. They couldn't even stay. They sat on the

couch and dad's office and they passed out.

Speaker 1: Yep. They came in from California overnight flight. Jason Lee

and who's the other guy, Ethan? You see that guy's

Jack now? Yeah he looks great. Oh bro, He's like

Diesel Total Change the turnaround guy. Yeah, he was like

three hundred and eighty pounds or something. Yeah, yeah, right,

and I think maybe it hurt his career. That'll happen.

It will happen because he he got less. Uh, I

don't know. Funny looking that, and you've kind of carved

a niche and now you've pulled yourself away from the niche, right, you know, but it's probably for the better for his health. Yeah.

I saw an interview with him.

Speaker 2: He was perfectly happy with maybe missing out on some rolls for being in way better shape and probably living a lot longer.

Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he was perfectly comfortable with that. But that's interesting.

Speaker 2: But in any note, they were sleeping on the couch, remember yep, And I mean they were passed out, and Dad's office had what like five doors in it. Yeah,

and we all grabbed axes, remember that, And we.

Speaker 1: Just went through five doors. Five people went through five

doors all at the same time. They jumped up. They

were like, oh my god, what's going on with being raided? Yeah,

that was their introduction to the Tuttles. Something else. We

used to be really destructive, very destructive, Like doors were our thing. Yeah. Doors were a thing. We had a

bunch of doors stocked up, stocked up by like in the base, going through doors and going through doors.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were nice because they were like the kind of doors that if you had to punch through, you didn't break your hand. They were like the cheapest

doors you could ever find.

Speaker 1: Yeah. They were like breakaway doors, breakaway doors almost like

you would make that for some kind of movie.

Speaker 2: And they would just I mean they would. You could

run through those things, dude, they would just shatter it.

There's a million pieces. Yeah, break off once in a while,

I got you know, you get your foot stuck in the door, but yeah, you'd quickly like rip the door off the hinges, you know.

Speaker 1: Just continue through, like put the rest of your body through exactly.

Speaker 2: Anyways, they came up to us and we did my name is Earl Bike, remember that doing all these little I don't even remember. But there were all these nuances

to that show. We incorporated like flannel and whatever else.

Speaker 1: Kind of like a junk ard bike, yeah, or a white trash bike. Yeah, kind of trailer like trailery ish

trailer trashy. Yeah. You know I got into that show

later on. I thought it was pretty funny. Oh, after

the fact, after the fact. I've never seen an episode

before we were on it. Yeah, I don't see Jason

Lee anywhere anymore. I saw him.

Speaker 2: He did a couple of things, Chipmunk movies. Yeah, Alvin

and the Chipmunks just saw that because my son was watching it years ago.

Speaker 1: He might have made his money and then bolted. Yeah,

and I think he's scientologists. Yeah, I've heard that he's

like absorbed into them, maybe Pyramid. Maybe they've absorbed him.

They absorbed him maybe I heard they do that. They

do that and then they tell you not to talk to your brothers and sisters or your mother or daughter might join scientology. Sh No, he was a great guy,

Jason Lee. I remember we were going up to dad's

house for something and uh, he drove with me and we were just talking. Just super nice guy, you know,

very nice.

Speaker 2: And then I remember we went out to California and we were on an episode of My Name Is Earl.

You remember that. I forget what the premise was. We

were in some out like location. Shoot, what were we doing?

Speaker 1: We were in a garage.

Speaker 2: He was like in a garage setting. Maybe he was

coming in to get something fixed and we were in there.

Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but that was a short spot.

It was a short spot. Yeah.

Speaker 2: They definitely got more time on our show than we got on theirs, which I always thought that was kind of messed up.

Speaker 1: You think, so, no, write a black letter. Yeah, No,

it was fine. I thought it was great. It was

fun to be out there.

Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I remember about it, and I'll always feel bad about this. So we rapped and that

night we wrapped right from My name is Earl. And

we were heading back to the car and I remember the publicist that used to work for us.

Speaker 1: What was their name. It'll come to you'll, it's fine.

Speaker 2: Anyways, a publicist said to us, Hey, we got to make a decision. Well what's that She said, Well, you're

booked for Leno tonight, because we're already in California. You

remember this, Yes, and then and then, and you're booked for Letterman tomorrow night. But neither side wants guests one

night after the next. They like to break it up. Okay,

But the problem was there was a writer's strike or an actor's strike at the time. Remember that writer's strike?

Was it writers?

Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you sure it was writers? Yeah? Okay because

they I thought it was actors, really yep, okay, because they couldn't get anyone to do. I was talking to

a writer on my name is okay, I was about to strike, yeah, and I was asking him why he wasn't striking, and he says, strikings for younger men. Is

that what? Anyway?

Speaker 2: They couldn't get guests for that reason. I guess there

was some kind of boycott so they couldn't get actors to come on, so.

Speaker 1: They come to us. Well, we were scabs, scabs pretty much,

scabs scabs, and uh, we were okay with that. I

never felt bad about that. We did. We did have cards.

We had our sad cards and everything that's true, just in order to do commercials right and different things.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but I remember we had to make a decision are we going to go on Letterman or Leno? And

it was like last minute, dude, we were supposed to be heading over there, and I think the decision was made not to go on Leno, And the next night we ended up going on Letterman and I and I've always felt bad about this because she kind of does.

I think it was a mistake, but we ended up going on Letterman the next night, and we kind of left Leno hanging. I think Leno after that was never

happy with us, and he and the sad part about it is, truthfully, he was always so good to us, like like Leno was, Like we would go, we would ride with him, he took us to in and out every time we came on, he'd bring us to his collection, show us everything, you know. Yeah, and after that it

was over. So I always felt bad about that. And

I think more recently there was something with h with Leno and an interview where he was dogging choppers and bikes and didn't have a lot of good things to say about us in general. And I think it really

was more pertaining to the fact that we really kind of left him hanging, as opposed to.

Speaker 1: And stuck in his craw.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he wasn't happy, and he was a good dude. We got along with him great. He called

us the tuttel heads.

Speaker 1: Fuck him. You know, he's calling you a piece of

shit poking out of someone's I think he is, yet I mean not in so many words. Yeah, these guys

are getting old too, man, maybe old crotchety. Yeah, I'll

give you that. You know. No, You know, in showbiz

there's a lot of hard feelings because it's so competitive, and they were really competitive with one another. And I

think the thing that would hurt the most is that you're leaving the West Coast to go on a show on the East Coast while you're already there, right. You

really think that bothered him. I really do.

Speaker 2: And I think more so because A it was last minute, and B I think it was hard to get people to come on the late night shows because there was a boycott at the time.

Speaker 1: Well stop being turds and let us be on both shows.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they know they were, YEA, Yeah, I don't think it was an option. I think we had to choose.

But then we love Dave so much because Dave had been really good to us as well, and I think it was a tough decision. And you know, Dave was

like Dave would talk about us on his show when he had other guests on. Yea, Well, we weren't even

like like like runner up to go out there on stage.

You could just be watching him and some guests would come on and he would start talking about the show because you know, he did whatever he wanted.

Speaker 1: So I feel he was closer to where we lived.

He was right down the street, right down the street.

It was such an easy one. And then you know,

you go to the West Coast and you do that. Man,

your brain's a little oh, dude, Marshmallows. You know, especially

if you're going on a show or something. I remember

being on Ellen and I was just like, I think we took a red eye and I didn't know where I was. It was like in a hate yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

we were on Ellen. Huh people, we went on Ellen,

people talking in front of you.

Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, dude. We went on every single

talk show. We went on Ellen, Martha Stewart, The View.

Actually we were on The View with Barack Obama. You

remember that, I do, and he wasn't. I think he

was just start to talk about running for president. And

we were on Leno with Donald Trump. So we were

on two different talk shows back in the day with two different presidents before they were president.

Speaker 1: I met Bob Hope in a gang bang. I met

Jimmy Carter the rest area Is that real? No? It

was in the woods behind it. It looked like Jimmy Carter. Yeah,

he looked like a peanut farmer. Ye, no, who is

Jimmy was it? Oh? Yeah, I'd know that mustache anyway. Wait,

he didn't have a musstag, not for you? All right? Yeah?

So Trump? And now where were Trump and Obama? Yeah? Yeah,

we were on with with Obama. We were on the.

Speaker 2: View with Obama. And back then the view was like

milder Man had what's her name on it?

Speaker 1: She's since passed on. The Barbara Barbara Walters was on there.

She passed on, I believe. So yeah, yeah, you could

stop writing her letters. Now, what a waste of time?

Speaker 2: Uh and uh yeah. And then when we were on,

we met Trump on Leno and we were out like like sharing the couch with him during the interview. It

was kind of cool. You know, at the time, no

one knew he would ever run for president. It wasn't

like a conversation. Was he wearing cologne?

Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't, I can't. I can't remember

back more than three days ago. I always wonder what

Trump smells like, same thing with Obama. He smells like money.

Probably smells like money, right, money, and like Jupe, probably wearing some of that Jupe is jupe. That's a fragrance.

Oh yeah, no, man.

Speaker 2: It probably smells like Jakar druck car, right, that's right, gray flannel, gray flannel.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, We've had a lot of good experiences going

on other shows. Oh.

Speaker 2: One of my favorites of all time is King of the Hill. King of the Hill, How come on, man,

we was a cartoon, dude. I actually like King of

the Hill now more than this. I like the Simpsons.

Oh yeah, yeah, I enjoy the show Scout that real kind of it's wholesome. Yeah, it's the last wholesome show.

Yeah right, yeah, the pro pain and propane accessories.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was these characters that you would assume

that if at a glance, they'd be kind of flat, but they're like characters. I thought the writers for that

show were brilliant, right, hard to pull that off in this world, you know it is, man. It was very

hillbillysh but in a really good way. And remember.

Speaker 2: Two, I mean Tom Petty was one of the characters, and Britney Murphy was one of the characters.

Speaker 1: Now they had a lot of other characters, both of them murder, we conspiracy, the we wont get into that, no.

Speaker 2: But I remember when we did the reading. We did

like a like a live reading with them, yeah, on the phone. On the phone. We were like at the

conference table yep. And they were in California, and they

all did their voices in their role parts and we did our pieces.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my heart was thumping. You were nervous. Yeah,

I'm nervous because you know, even though they're not there for a table read. You know, you got Tom Petty

and Britney Murphy on the phone there. You don't want

to just Tom Petty alone. Man, I know, Tom Petty,

what a monster dude. It's thinking about starting like as

soon as it comes to my line, you know, as I had like a line like rock and roll exclamation point, rock starts singing, won't back down. Oh you were just

going to improvise, yeah yeah. And then I was hoping

maybe he'd take me on tour with him, right, he probably would have. Right, it's like a backup singer, yeah,

or like like a like a grip or a roadie.

Like it's like a guy who buys drugs for the band, you know, yeah, be right back. The guy they don't

mind gets arrested and then they leave him hanging right.

Speaker 2: That was fun though, and when I think back on that, and at the time, I loved Tom Petty and uh, I remember like reading and thinking, Man, we've never really done anything quite like that, right, I mean that was the only cartoon we were on.

Speaker 1: Is it? I think so? Yeah? I think maybe the

only only time we did voices was for that video game.

Oh that's right, like a voiceovers.

Speaker 2: I feel like maybe Dad was on Celebrity Deathmatch. Remember

how they used to do that and they like rip each other's heads off and stuff.

Speaker 1: You remember that that TV had that? Yeah, that was

like that was like being on DC Folly's or something. Yeah, right,

flattering to have your it was to have your character's head ripped off in the ring or something like that. Yeah.

But I think he took on Dog the Bounty Hunter in one of those Is that what it was? That's brilliant, man,

We should find that. But I don't think he did

the voice. I don't think they had to get anyone's

permission for that, So they just had voice actors do the voices, right, and you know, the the what.

Speaker 2: Was the what was the storyline for us in that they hire us to come out for doing some marketing for whatever.

Speaker 1: Business. That's right, that's right, and we are over fuel

oil or something like. Yeah, we get up on stage

and we're like whoo, and they're like, where's the bike?

And then that started a melee and then we're jumping off the stage. Yeah. I think Mikey's on the bike. Mikey. Yeah,

I think Mikey. Yeah me what he worked? Yeah, I

think he's on the bike, right, and he's like he comes flying through and yells rock and roll. Oh do

you I don't know. No, I think you jump in.

I know. I think you jump into the crowd and

start the fight. Oh really or something. Yeah, we got

to watch that. That's pretty true to life. Yeah, we should.

We should watch that together. We should watch it because

I've only seen it once.

Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it was a long time ago, and now do what was it like two thousand and five something like that.

Speaker 1: It was twenty years ago. But every now and again,

one of my uh, one of my friend's kids enjoy watching that show, you know, late night or something, yep, and they'll mention that they saw me on there. Really,

it'll make me feel like i'm someone still. Yeah, you're

like see that instead of nobody see that, which is what I am. Let's face it, geez man, Okay, what else?

What else have we been on that's good? What other

kind of crossovers? I'm trying to think of crossover shows?

Crossover shows. Oh, we were in that rock star video

rock Star. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the band.

They were huge and they're a good band. Yeah yeah,

so I ditched out and like my solo thing, what didn't you like about them? Then? I didn't like their music,

oh gotcha, which was like yacht rock? Is that like

yacht rock? Is that? What is that? What's that? What's that?

What's that considered? You don't like the song Brandy? Yeah,

that's sort of a is it steely Dan's kind of yacht rock? Okay, okay, that would be like alternative alternative pop? Really,

I guess an alternative was was sort of a shitty brand.

It's it's and it's a word that should be like, not a subgenre. I think it should be like a description, gotcha,

not an actual genre of music.

Speaker 2: Anyways, we were in a rockstar video and it was like everybody was in that.

Speaker 1: Remember everybody, Like every every like two seconds, there was some other person, celebrities, athletes, everybody. Yeah, they got like

like a million different people to do lines from. Yeah,

how many people were doing lines this one? Right?

Speaker 2: Just one out of all million people there? Uh no, seriously,

I feel like that was it was cool though, you know.

Speaker 1: It was cool. I really didn't like the band. You

mentioned that and then in the video. Well, this is

what I'm saying, is like I regret not doing it because like that's an asshole thing to do. You know,

that would have been good exposure, you know, at least wait, you weren't in it. I'm in it, but I'm only

in the three shot with you and the old man. Oh. Oh,

you didn't get in the solo thing.

Speaker 2: Oh because because you They were like all right, Mikey, it's time for your solo.

Speaker 1: And yeah, you're up next. I'm going home. I'm getting drunk.

Is that real? Yeah? I went home. They were like, hey,

they want you, they want you back here, and I was like, fuck you really? Yeah? Wait?

Speaker 2: We shot where we shoot at the shop, at the shop, so it couldn't be any easier.

Speaker 1: And I live five minutes down the road, you know, And you really screwed that up. I screwed Now the

band you hate's gonna hate you back no, because this is an apology. Oh yeah, this hopefully get me some

sort of redempt. Well, let's hear it then, I mean,

you got to say it outright. I didn't hear any apology.

I'd like to apologize to Nickelback, the entire banding. The

name of the band is Nickelback. Nickelback, Yeah, Nickelback, And you.

Speaker 2: Know, I don't you know at the time, they were dude, they were huge, bro, they were selling out like stadiums.

Speaker 1: I know. And they were nice enough to let me

in their video.

Speaker 2: They were and you you rejected them as a I feel shame.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and I need to apologize. So I'm sorry Nickelback.

You look at the camera. Sorry Nickelback. You know, is

there a humbler way to do it? You have to

do it to all the members Nickelbacks. Oh, I'm sorry Nickelbacks.

I don't know any of the names of the band.

That's fine. They know you were drinking at the time.

Speaker 2: I had a problem. Yeah, and they're not going to

hold it against you. That's like a band thing. Most

of these band members have issues at some point in time with drugs or alcohol.

Speaker 1: Come on, I've loaded up a retraction for that. Apology.

You know, well that's good.

Speaker 2: Well, like the next podcast, reel it back and we'll talk about it again, and we will go, well, let's we'll go back and watch the video, okay, and you could see exactly where I'm missing.

Speaker 1: Yeah, they double up kid rock in those shots. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Maybe we can even somehow superimpose you your single shot into the video.

Speaker 1: That'd be kind of fun, you know, yeah, redamn, sure, maybe send it to the band members, and to the band members the nickelbacks individual one of them. Yeah, it's

got to be thirty cents worth of nickels in that, man, I would say. So, remember we did the guitar hero thing. No, oh,

this is good though on that. No, they came and

did that at the house. It's maybe something I forgot

remember that. It was kind of like a knockoff song

from another song. There you go record that. Actually we

did record that, I know, but that one. But you

know what happens, they can pull away like quick enough where it doesn't have that gotcha. You know, it's like okay, So.

Speaker 2: You know, I always wonder I feel like you're a really creative guy, and I feel like I have a good level of creativity certainly, certainly, And you know, I'm just trying to figure out like mine's potential. Well, no,

I've seen you do some pretty creative stuff. Man, you

got a good mind for it.

Speaker 1: I do. So what is where do you think that

comes from?

Speaker 2: I mean family wise, obviously God provides all these gifts.

Speaker 1: But but like, who in the family? I got my thoughts.

I want to hear your thoughts on this. Who in

the family. I think I think our parents were a

perfect storm. Yeah. Yeah, and there's all kinds of variables

flying around in there, could have landed in any direction. Okay,

because you know, you ever see some families they have like four kids and all four are the same. We're

all like undertakers. Dad's an undertaker whatever, you know what

I mean, we don't have that. We have a great

We were the four corners of the globe, the four of us. Yeah, I know, so diverse. You think in ways,

you know, not in humor, Yeah, I guess you're right.

I think in interest, Yeah, I think we all vary in Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2: I think you're right, and then creatively different things interest us.

I have a theory and I came up with this, like it was like maybe like ten years ago that I even first thought about this, And I thought, like, when I thought about my creativity and in the aspect of which I apply it, which is kind of like hands on. Yeah, I always think about Grandpa. I think

about Mom's dad.

Speaker 1: He is a hard working guy.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was a guy who could build a house by himself. He was very skilled, right, Yes, he

was skilled. He pour concrete, he'd do framing, he'd do masonry,

he'd do roofing, he'd like remember he came and stayed with us and put an extension on our house and did it by himself, and he poured the foundation by hand.

I mean, yes, he was hard working. But you talk

about you couldn't get a more capable guy, you know.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so because there's a lot of people willing to put in the work but not attain the skill.

Speaker 2: That's right, And he did it on a different level.

You know, he's had no he was He worked with excellence, you know. And so I always think back in like, Okay,

he didn't have the opportunity to like build motorcycles or be on television or anything like that, but.

Speaker 1: Sure depression era, he certainly raised his family, yeah, or his siblings.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just worked his butt off his whole life, and he was really good at things, you know. So

I think in some ways you get that kind of thing, you know. That's that's where I think he was a

real influence too, because he didn't die until how old were you? Sixteen?

Speaker 1: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Well, growing up he was always around and like he would even stay with us for long periods of time, especially when he was putting the extension on the house.

Speaker 1: When we were growing up. Yeah.

Speaker 2: And then so yeah, that's what I think I mean in terms of that like people, And don't get me wrong, I mean I feel like Dad's creative to a point in a different kind of way, you know, but everyone's got their gifts and they go Mom, I feel like Mom was creative as well. I think Mom, you know,

she had like a she would always do all kinds of things, you know, mac remae. When I was a kid,

that was like a thing you do, like the beads and the braiding, and she was always into that. She

did a lot of like pottery painting, and you know that that pottery place was over there in Montgomery.

Speaker 1: So I think she was I think she could have been a good singer. But I think we used to

boo who were a Lot. I think we did boo

who Were a Lot? But we were a tough crowden

rotten kids, brutal Now I think, honestly, I think mom. Uh.

Speaker 2: I think that life wasn't that easy growing up with dad, especially in his years of heavy drinking. So I think

that might have put a damper on some aspirations. I

think that happens. Plus, I think she was more concerned

about making sure her kids were okay than you know, following her dream.

Speaker 1: Or just making sure she had kids. Some people don't

want anything other than that. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2: And you know, I a oh, yeah, she definitely a spy.

She definitely loved having kids. She loved the and a

mom question question. And that's a real Uh. That's a

real job.

Speaker 1: By the way, that's a real, real job.

Speaker 2: People think it's not, and they're idiots. I know they're idiots.

If you think being a mom is not a real job.

It's it's a tough job too when you think about it, Yeah, because it never ends, especially when you're married to Paul Senior.

Speaker 1: It's a really tough job. I guess if you're married

to anybody. It's a tough job, even under the best circumstances.

Speaker 2: No, the best circumstances is probably a little easier because you got help. But if you don't have help. And

I'm not dogging Dad, because Dad worked his butt off.

He did put food out, put food on the table, but he also had a drinking problem which got in the way of relationships.

Speaker 1: And I can relate and being there, you know, you can relate. Yeah, not in a sense of having a

wife or kids. Right to spare people, Spare the world

children from ky tuttle, Little Mikey's You sure there's no little Mikey's out, No man every now and again. I

think maybe in South Carolin hatched hatched a few somewhere, Yeah, someone one of the bike weeks. Yeah, way down south

or down in the Bayou. Yeah, yeah, somewhere, or somewhere

in Pennsylvania swamps of New Orleans. Yea picture, somewhere in

rural Pennsylvania, New Orleans. It's not people do lines, frank, huh.

People like rural Pennsylvania where people do lines. Yeah, yeah,

where they're making the what's that, what's that? They're still

sniffing tape? Head cleaner is that right? Yeah, the VHS tape, gotcha, gotcha.

This place reminds me of vacation. I mean already talked

about the island or even your place. Yeah, your house

being on vacation. You stand out the front right, beautiful,

sitting on the porch, watch the breakers. Yeah, you feed

him by hand. Dolphins swim with you.

Speaker 2: I've never seen a seal here, but they do show up once in a while, but I've never seen one.

Speaker 1: I'm trying to make the place sound oh dolphins, but it is beautiful. I do ride dolphins here, it's right.

And you called them by name. They're Scooter and Twig,

Scooter Twig like that. Yeah, I know, you're right. It's

picturesque here, man. This is a vacation place, you know,

And it reminds me of vacation. And then it also

reminds me of like we'd go to time shares and stuff like that. Oh yeah, back in the day, they

weren't so nice. I would never complain about him, but

they weren't nearly as nice as as like your place.

Speaker 2: Well, we didn't know any better at the time, that shit, we didn't know. We were just happy to be on vacation.

We didn't know there was nice places you could visit. No,

we would got fifty people into a trailer. Yeah, we

would go to tree Tops and fern Wood. Right, yeah,

remember that. The It was awesome indoor outdoor pool. Come on,

who has an indoor outdoor pool.

Speaker 1: Roller skating rink, roller skating a shooting gallery that worked through like photon beams. Oh yeah, that's right, remember that. Yeah,

that's right. Whom the outhouse would open up the guys.

Speaker 2: Yeah, we would get one of those timeshare bungalows and it would be a great time.

Speaker 1: Go by the pool. Yeah, we'd go to Shawnee Town

the water park. It was good with the nets and

you know, fun stuff. Yeah, we had a lot of

fun stuff. Man. Back then, we our vacations were pretty wild.

You remember we stayed at a place I think we were a little out of our class. It was in

Connecticut and we were It was a nicer place. We

played a lot of tennis. We did play a lot

of tennis. Clay court. They did have a clay court. Yeah,

we were all like playing with work boots had Yeah, I had craters fucked up, we did. We were complete

Neanderthals yelling at each other stopping the ground. Ye, brutal Neander.

I feel like we touched on this once before, but it's worth talking about again because spiked and hit me in the face of the ball. Yeah, that was bad.

We talked about that though, we did. Yeah, that was bad.

Though your whole face was horrible. It's still fucked up.

I wasn't going to say anything. Let me do it, goodness,

otherwise it'll hurt. Yeah, okay, good, good call, good call. Yeah.

We had great vacations. Man.

Speaker 2: We never went far now. We were like we were

in New York minutes. Yeah, North Carolina. We go to Connecticut.

Sometimes we go to like Mystic mainly the Poconoas Pennsylvania. Yeah,

just because we had the timeshare, you know, yep.

Speaker 1: Well, lots of fun. We would always we had It's simple, right,

and we would have a lot of fun going to the ocean. We had a lot of tackle each other

in the waves. Oh, bro, we were brutal. Get carried

down the ocean, like you know, you get carried, get carried away. I was just talking to Nate, nasty Nate

over there and uh man. Back in the day.

Speaker 2: I growing up, every year we would go to the shore, and that was vacation, Like the beach was vacation, you know, yep, getting wiped out by the waves. I mean that was

the earliest memories of vacation was definitely, you know, the Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1: Yeah, then you eat some crap at night and then go back out with yeah, you know, drink a warm coke with sand in it. I remember when I was young, man,

we were at the boardwalk. I was very young, and

I got like separated from my parents and I was completely lost on the boardwalk. And I remember I went,

I was young, young, and I went and found a cop and they were freaking out. Mom and dad were

freaking out, and sure enough, I just hung with the cop and they brought me over to him and I was back in action. But man, I was young. I

was maybe like five five or six maybe something that you knew to go to a cop. I knew to

go to a cop.

Speaker 2: I don't know how I knew, but my mom must have told me, if you ever get lost, go to go find a police officer.

Speaker 1: And I did well because you used to wander, she said, you used to try to run constantly.

Speaker 2: I was like, like, my son was like that, man, turn your back and he's gone.

Speaker 1: He's gone. When he was young, dude, he would just bowl.

That's the scariest and you can't catch him, and she's laughing and running, you know. Yeah, he had a laugh

like an evil scientist. Yes, I know, I kid. Yeah,

he loves that stuff. That man perfectly too. Yeah. He

loves having you here. I love hanging out with him. Yeah,

he he, he loves having you to hang out with. Man.

You guys, he watched a silent film with me yesterday called Safety Last Our thirteen minutes. I was impressed because

he didn't want me to fast forward it to like the action part at the end. Really yeah, And I

had to explain to him all the antiquated phrases and everything they were doing, like they used to put nickels and phones and shit like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah wow.

And he was interested the whole time. Yeah, you know,

he's like that. He's a really interesting kid. He's really fascinating.

Anybody who's been able to watch a silent film with me, really, anybody, nobody, nobody, let alone an older film from the forties and thirties. Yeah.

As he gets older, man, he's really his own guy.

It really is. I could never watch that silent film

with you like that. I know, we just nobody could

walk away. I might have walked away, but I felt

like I owed it to the kid, you know. Yeah,

Yeah it's good. He's a sweetheart. Yeah, he's a sweat kid,

isn't he. He's a sweet person. He's just a sweet person. Yeah,

he is. Man.

Speaker 2: All the kids love him, the teachers love him. He's

he's very kind. That's the thing about him, you know.

And it's just that kind of thing you really you can teach it, but you if you can't enforce it, you can't really enforce it. No, he's a natural inclination

for him and a sweet kind kid. I feel very

good about that. You know, you could have things with

learning and all that that you could overcome. But and

he has done very well. He doing straight a's in school.

He's doing very good. And it wasn't always that way,

so he's worked hard to get doing good. But I

will say the one thing that I always felt really good about is that he's always kind. And I've even

had like he's really good with younger kids. So I've

even had like parents come up to me and say, man, your son has been so good with my three.

Speaker 1: Year old given or you know, will give up stuff. Yeah,

he is an unusual amount of patience. He does. He

gets rambunctious like any little kid.

Speaker 2: But he has a lot of patients patients tedious even with Desi with Kristen Son. Yeah, Desi is is my nephew,

my sister's son and uh for those who don't know.

And he's very y or like a little there's little brothers.

Speaker 1: Man.

Speaker 2: They are so it's good. It's good when you're like that.

You know, I have so much fun with that kid. Dude,

what do you talk about like having your life enriched by someone? I mean, I could never imagine life without them.

I mean, I just kids are so always here.

Speaker 1: You know, it's shining. Yeah positive.

Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I'm saying it's really good, really good stuff.

But I'm going to even have them on this podcast.

Speaker 1: You should. I'm good. I'll see what do you want

to see how it goes? I don't know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, right, be prepared next time because you get jammed up with a kid or oh yeah, yeah, I want to you know what, I know, you know what I want to talk to him about. I want to talk

to him about all these these things that they say these kids today, riz and yacht and all these things.

I have no idea what they mean.

Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, so you can examine the generational game. Are

you familiar with any of these terms? O, dude, they're mean.

Are kids still saying fire fire? I think so, yeah,

fire and stuff like that. You just yeat, yeat, yeat?

What's yeat? I don't know. That's what a kid. That's

exactly what I'm going to have him on for. I

want to understand the kid's language today. What are these

kids talking about behind our backs? They're probably I said,

you probably don't want to know.

Speaker 2: I said something about riz and I said, man, I got tons of RIZ and he said, Dad, you.

Speaker 1: Got zero rizh shit. I know I score a very

long the riz A. Well, everybody's dad does. Yeah, I

guess you're right. I worked out with my friend's kid

just because his kid won't work out with him because he won't listen to them. And it's so funny because

Danny Claudia just walked in the room. And when I

was young, dude, and Danny came from the city. Yeah,

you know, he talked a certain way, and then I would talk that way, and we would use all these terms and Dad hated it. It was very homeboyish, you know.

And Dad was like, be yourself, you don't have to be someone else. And you know, he just it's like

an age. It was like fourteen years old trying to

try and sh exactly. So he's right, though, I know,

I give him a little well, I give you yeah, you know, you also have to like, I think there's these well think about it. What are we say in

the ages? But you're not wrong? But he was right.

You know, that's good advice. It's good advice on a whole.

But you know, it's you're just you're just learning to be a person at that age. Sure, you're puberty.

Speaker 2: Fit in going through puberty, you know, stuff like that.

So I think it's changing. I try and give him.

I try and give him some room. I never give

him a hard time about that stuff. Oh don't talk

like that. I just figured this is the way kids

are talking.

Speaker 1: You know. But Dad was you know, Dad was not

he was rough. He's pretty rough. Oh yeah, but I

think everybody's dad was right. I think so yeah. They

you know, they used to talking about how when you used to have sleepovers, or you'd sleep over. I'd sleep

over the Murphys and we'd go and read the fridge.

It's really good granol in the fridge, and it would be nighttime. And their father would hear us every time,

and he come flying down the steps into tidy whities and balls bounce and scream in his fucking head. And

he was a nice guy. Yeah, he was super nice guy.

Fathers were a lot more aggressive. They were I think

they were pissed off, and they were mostly angry. They

worked hard, they didn't have a lot to show for it, and they were angry. They were angry kind of. But

I mean, if your kids like going upstairs and with it with a sleepover and they're like, oh, I wouldn't care now, But but I gotta be honest with you.

We're kind of sissy parents now these days in what way?

In just every way?

Speaker 2: Oh you mean too soft to all of us, every parent, and it exists in this day and age. I'm not

for like hitting kids, but probably some kids need to be smacked once.

Speaker 1: In a while, right, And.

Speaker 2: We let him get away with everything. We're like suckers.

We don't really follow up with punishments. Maybe I'm just

speaking for myself. Don't get me wrong, Hudson's a.

Speaker 1: Great kuyt around the board. Everybody's like a little bit

so their kids are telling them to go fuck themselves.

Yeah you're saying it.

Speaker 2: I'm not getting that, but you're right, I think it well way if they don't listen to you, I guess.

Speaker 1: They're saying where they argue on the same level. Right.

You know, you'll see him going back and forth and you're like, you're not getting anywhere like that. No, I mean,

I'm not going to tell him that. No. Well, fortunately

we got a good kid.

Speaker 2: You know what I've found through the years with him is we love on him, dude. Yeah, and like I

feel like it. It makes up for a lot of

things good and bad on both sides. Just you know

that he knows that he's safe and that we love him.

Twenty four to seven. He is the most loving kid.

He will curl up on your life. He curls up

on my lap every morning when he's waking up.

Speaker 1: You know who comes I drinking my coffee and I'll put it down. He'll just and he's this big.

Speaker 2: He's like arms and legs are flopping everywhere. He curls

up in a ball and I'll just give him a pat on the back and he wakes up like that.

Speaker 1: He's very uh sweet, Yeah he is. He's very huggy, lovey,

you know. And I know that I know that that's

going to go away eventually because he's just getting bigger and older. And he's thirteen. I'm telling you from the street, dude,

ten is the new like fifteen. It really is these kids,

especially for him. He looks like he's fifteen. No, he doesn't.

Speaker 2: He's tall, so he does look older. But I just

think kids are like way more mature earlier.

Speaker 1: Now, Okay, it's it's in the food. I think it

might be. I think it might be technology. Like you know, people,

kids are afforded a lot more information than they were when we were young. We didn't know as much. I mean,

they know there's so much, you know, just with everything, you know, the way it's out there.

Speaker 2: I like it here in LBI though. The schools are great.

That's why we moved here, and we're in a bit of a bubble. He doesn't have a lot of exposure

to like much older kids, so he's not picking up those habits. Sure, you know, when you have a kid

who's ten. You want him to be you really want

him to be a ten year old? Yeah, a ten

year old skin You want him to be innocent as long as yeah, anything exactly, just innocent, not really cross to bad things. Now, and some people don't have any

you know, the people live in inner cities, and there's there's no way around exposing kids to bad things early on.

But here we're in a bit of a bubble, and I ain't mad at it, to be honestly, keep them young as long as you can, that's what I say.

Speaker 1: Well you should, you know, I agree. Keep the innocence, yep,

until they hit that rebellious Uh, then you deal with that next phase. Yeah, we'll see one step at a time,

you know. Just healthy and that's all you can hope for,

you know. Amen, Yes, sir, that's good. I didn't have kids.

Nobody wants to meet with let's talk about that. I

don't know what happened. Yeah, a few years. Jeez, you're good.

You could have kids till you're seventy, I guess. But

like I'm forty six now, right, So once my kid graduates high school. If I had the kid today, it

would be nine months from now, so's that put me out fifty six sixty four. Yeah, that's some of my

kids graduating high school and I start collecting uh seli security.

Yeah that's fine, not good. I think it's a before Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, some they had all these guys they have like they have like three families anymore, you know.

Speaker 1: So you're good? All right? Well, first, you know, lady,

I mean, well, let's talk about that. No, I think

we could talk about that right here. And now let's

let's see what are you looking for. I'm not if

you were. If you were, oh, if I was, like

you know, I really find good people attractive now, like just good, just good. They don't have to look any

kind of way. They don't have to look great. Let's

talk about the looks. Okay, well, what do you like?

I love blue eyes and blonde hair okay, or blue eyes and black hair okay, but the blue eyes or brown brown eyes and red hair, or blue eyes, green eyes and red hair okay. I like brown eyes and

blonde hair. Okay, it covers pretty much everyone. Yeah, hazel eyes,

black hair.

Speaker 2: You're the only one who got blue eyes on our family.

You got grandpa's eyes. That dad's dad had blue eyes

and his looks. You did kind of get his looks

a little bit you were born.

Speaker 1: What grandpa looked like? Do we have a photo of him?

You know what? They called him a handsome His name

was Paul.

Speaker 2: They called him Mick because he looked like Mickey Rooney when he was young. When he was young, he looked

like Mickey Rooney. No, no, Mickey Rooney was a good

looking guy.

Speaker 1: Yeah, when he was older, I think he looked like Chet from Weird Sign. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, maybe I don't

yeah maybe maybe not really, you know, I think like he was a good looking guy when he was younger, you know, so I think that's good man. There's still

hope for you, bro.

Speaker 2: You can find one of these redheaded, brown eyed, dark haired, blue eyed yep chicks.

Speaker 1: Hazel, Hazel. I think you had a lot of options.

I have none. You have what you're I don't. I

don't try though, Yeah, Samnes, why is that? Why do

you try? What do you think? I don't? You don't

like I don't want to put my energy into it right now? Yeah, yeah, I want to put it into

my interests. But as a result, you know, getting any

ladies with any companionship in that regard. Yeah, you're like

a loaner, a rebel. Wasn't that from Pee Wee Herman? Yeah,

PE's Big Adventure. Yeah, how that line goes, I'm a loaner, Dowdy,

a rebel. There you go, Doddy, you don't want to

get mixed up with a guy like me. That's right, loaner.

And then later on when what's his name? Uh oh

the guy played in James Browl Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's beaiging mister Herman. Mister Herman. Yeah, and that's pee

Wee's like, yeah, that's his guest spot. Yeah, that's right,

that's a cameo. Yeah, it's funny. I love Pev Herman Man.

He was awesome. When's the last time you watched that film?

It's been a while. He had a couple other ones,

but nothing like that first film. The first film was

just bomb. Yeah. I've watched Big Top Pee Weee a

lot recently. It's not good. It's okay.

Speaker 2: It's a little Carnie. That was Tim Burton. Oh yeah,

that's why that's the carnif flavor. I guess you know

in that one.

Speaker 1: Yeah, the original was just no, I mean the originals.

Tim Burton original was Timburton Okay, yeah, well it was such a great movie, you know, tell him Marge sent Yeah, I watched it like last year with her nephew was damn oh yeah a great. Yeah, it still holds up.

We should watch it with Hudson. I agree, he would

love that movie. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Very creative. Yep, I'll say that about Pee Wee Herman.

That guy was really creative.

Speaker 1: He before that was different. He had that thing on HBO,

wasn't it. Remember we were well, I'm the luckiest boy

in the world, remember, And it was kind of dirty his stage act. It was kind of dirty. I had

a double one tendre thing where if a kid was watching it, they wouldn't get any of the jokes, right because I didn't when I was a kid, right, and I watched it as an adult. I was like, holy shit,

Yeah you know what to I feel like SpongeBob is really like that. Yeah, SpongeBob's come here. A lot of

weird stuff in it. Man, that's weird, KINI bottom is

that where they live? Yeah? What is that that? Yeah?

You know, yep, there's something Mister Crab plus SpongeBob doesn't really teach anybody anything, no other than you know, maybe shoes. No,

it's not educational at all. Now, it's just mud for

the mind, it is. It's probably shilling all kinds of

subliminal ship big time. Right.

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think if you really dug into it, you see a lot of weird stuff in there. SpongeBob Man, Yeah,

he's fucked up this world. Coming to Mickey doesn't help

too many people either. I love Mickey, but he doesn't

help no. I mean he helps his friends, and that's

like the lesson. I think some of these shows have

some education into him. But you know, bugs, some of

them are weird.

Speaker 1: Well, you know, you go back. Those are good. Those

are good cartoons. They are great. Yeah. Yeah, the Bugs

Bunny and even the old Mickey Mouse cartoons are really fun to one. Yeah. I was just telling, uh, the

Bugs Bunny Man, that's like really great stuff. Yeah, it's action,

that's comedy, you know. I was just talking to Hudson

about Heckle and Jackal. We looked them up. They're magpros

to Magpies. Magpie Magpies. It's a cool name. Yeah. Is

that a crow or that's just that you know, it's a type of crow.

Speaker 2: It's a bird. I don't know if it's a crow,

but it's a magpie. They're a little bigger. They got

bigger beaks. They're extremely smart. Okay, they're like ravens.

Speaker 1: Okay, Ravens the smartest animal, right, I.

Speaker 2: Think so birdy Yeah, yeah, man, I used to love the whole cartoons.

Speaker 1: Tom and Jerry.

Speaker 2: All right, listen, I think we should wrap this and get back to it later.

Speaker 1: I always feel bad for Wiley coyote. Oh yeah, yeah,

Well he's always getting the rock dropped on, hes getting blown up, burned, smashed into the side of a building.

Never gets the bird. And the thing is, you don't

really like the roadrunner because I mean, everybody's rooting for the road Runner because the don't want to see him get killed, right, But he doesn't have much personality. No,

he's kind of flat. Wiley had all the person he did. Man. Actually,

just meat. Meat, that's all he had, you know. Roadrunner

had meat meat, that's it. He might give a look

every now and again, but he was pretty much just right.

He had those fast legs. Yeah, Wiley had a lot

of personality, and I think I always sided with him.

Speaker 2: He did, and every once in a while. I think

he talked and he sounded like you know, Debonair or something like that.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you were surprised. Or he would punch out of

work and talk to the sheep dog that was trying to kill him. Hi, Fred, how are you. Yeah, they

both punch in see you tomorrow. Yeah, and then they

punch back in the Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 2: What a great comedy, you know, I know that's good stuff.

All right, Mikey, listen, man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1: I'm not done. Oh well, let's keep going. So I

shipped my pants and then Dan was giving, like hanging it over my head, and you guys wanted it, Okay,

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