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We’re breaking down the data, looking at the hard numbers, and giving you the honest truth about what you're actually paying for.Stop waiting for life to begin. Get out and drive.TIMESTAMPSCHAPTERS 0:00 The question I could not stop thinking about 1:30 By the way, I have two YouTube channels 3:00 Why this is a completely rational question to ask 5:00 The honest part, the M2 and Supra hold their value 7:00 Where BMW really bleeds, the M3 and the M5 9:00 Why absolute dollars still favor a used Porsche 11:00 Free miles and why I stopped fearing the odometer 13:00 But Derek, a new car comes with a warranty 14:30 CPO, the best of both worlds 16:00 Reliability is really a maintenance history question 18:00 The part a spreadsheet cannot measure 20:00 Bertie, my 1972 911, and why she is still my favorite 22:00 The manual problem nobody wants to talk about 23:30 I drove my brother's 2026 M3 26:00 Just get off the bench and drive- CONNECT WITH ELEVENAFTERNINEMain YouTube Channel: ElevenAfterNine Main ChannelPodcast YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ElevenAfterNinePodcastInstagram: @theelevenafternineOfficial Website & Consulting: www.elevenafternine.com- JOIN THE CONVERSATIONAre you sitting on the fence trying to decide between a brand-new driver's car and an older Porsche? Do you agree with the data on the absolute dollar depreciation, or does the safety net of a warranty still win you over? Drop a comment below—I read and try to respond to every single one!#Porsche #Porsche911 #BMW #ToyotaSupra #CarBuyingAdvice #ElevenAfterNine #GetOutAndDrive Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information."},"annotations":[{"id":455906,"startTime":15.879999999999999,"endTime":21.06,"type":"car","title":"Renault Twingo","url":"/cars/renault/twingo","image":"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Renault_Twingo_%26_Renault_Twingo_%26_Renault_Twingo.jpg","quote":"...nt or another. This question comes in from a user Twingo Ease and it was a question that really hit me and...","canonicalId":"car:renault:twingo","priority":0.5,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gemini-3.5-flash","data":{"explanation":"The Renault Twingo is a popular French city car first introduced in 1992. 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